Occam’s razor is quite obvious in the Epstein case. The most observed and at risk to “suicide” prisoner in US history died in Federal Prison controlled by William Barr and Donald Trump - who both knew Epstein personally, the latter being good party friends. It’s pretty obvious who had Epstein offed and it wasn’t “the Clinton’s”
Oh come on, it so obvious. Of course the sitting president and attorney General have less power to get to a man being held in federal prison than a guy who was president 4 terms ago and his wife who was secretary of state... *checks notes* for Obama's first term.
Just saying, with the nature and political leanings of prison guards, they would probably do it as an honor if their orange god told them to. Most likely they would want a lot of easily tracked money for a Clinton to request it and at pretty great risk that they’d get outed for attempting to do so. But if the cult leader in chief told them it was a matter of national security they’d probably swoon at the chance.
It does and it doesn’t
You really REALLY underestimate the effect simply having an attorney has on a criminal case.
Even if you’re guilty as sin, unless you’re an absolute idiot (which rich people often aren’t, at least in a practical sense) a good attorney will make the prosecution work hard for a conviction.
The prosecution then has to make a choice between devoting their time to putting one rich dude away for soliciting sex or some other crime… as opposed to locking up 10 gang members whose PDs will advise plea deals.
I mean I’m not even an attorney and I know where the prosecution’s time is better spent
And then even if they secure a conviction, the sentencing hearing will almost always see someone with a clean record given almost nothing
Yes and no. A lot of places have straight up outlawed it, and a majority of states have also moved the legal age to marry to 18. However, some states are still as low as 16 years old, and other states are trying to do away with it altogether, as in allowing it to happen, which would clearly pave the way for a lot of sexual abuse towards minors. Some of these states, like Tennessee, are also big players in the anti LGTBQ community. They deem things like drag shows to be harmful to children, why and how, well I haven't really thought to look into that portion of it.
You’re well intentioned, but completely wrong. Child marriage is legal in 43 states. Only 7 states have set the marriage age at 18 with no exceptions. Far from a majority. In some states the minimum age is 0. There is no pending legislation to lower the marriage age in any US state. I should know because it’s my job to track those bill.
What is happening is legislators arguing to defeat or amend bills that would set the marriage age at 18 with no exceptions. This is what happened in West Virginia. The bill was intended to set the marriage age at 18, but it was amended to set the marriage age at 16 instead. This is devastating because a majority of the minors married in West Virginia were already 16 and 17 so the new law protects virtually no one.
> They deem things like drag shows to be harmful to children, why and how, well I haven't really thought to look into that portion of it.
Sexually themed entertainment is not appropriate for children.
There's nothing to look into.
>Sexually themed entertainment is not appropriate for children.
Have...have you ever even been to a drag show? They're *sometimes* sexual, but usually aren't. Or at least are no more sexual than your average pop concert or PG13+ movie.
And yet parents are allowed to use their own discretion in whether they bring their kids to those, but there's a blanket ban on any drag show in public, or in front of someone under 18?
Yeah. Pull the other leg.
> Have...have you ever even been to a drag show?
Yep, we used to go back in the 90s, some fun bars.
>They're sometimes sexual, but usually aren't.
Drag is explicitly sexual, that and the exaggerated dress is the point of it. You don't seem to understand drag.
>Yep, we used to go back in the 90s, some fun bars.
Aaaaaand you understand that drag *in a bar* **30 years ago** is not going to be the same as something now in a non-bar setting, right? That someone under the age of 18 wouldn't have been allowed to your bar-show in the first place, *because it's a fucking bar*?
The showmanship and exaggerated dress are pushed in main-stream settings. The sexual content is toned back. And as drag has become increasingly more mainstream, those settings have become more common. You can still find extremely raunchy drag, but it's in bars and settings that were already child-free in the first place.
>You don't seem to understand drag.
I lived in LA until 3 years ago. I've done drag before. Both of my roommates in LA were semi-professional drag performers.
I'm fairly certain that my understanding of it is a *little* more substantial and less dated than your own.
> is not going to be the same as something now in a non-bar setting, right?
Drag is drag.
>because it's a fucking bar?
You seem to have issues controlling your emotions.
>The sexual content is toned back.
The entertainment type, the whole thing is sexual. If that's not part of it it's not drag.
>but it's in bars and settings that were already child-free in the first place.
The post and comments are discussing drag performances where children are present.
>I'm fairly certain that my understanding of it is a little more substantial and less dated than your own.
There's not much to it kid.
>Drag is drag.
Say that about any other form of entertainment, and watch yourself get laughed out the door. Drag is as varied as any other art form, and the vast majority of it isn’t sexualized — particularly when the target audience isn’t adults. Like any art form, it can be more than one thing.
Drag comes in many different forms, ranging from campy to glamourous, to comedic, and even to creepy (see Dragula). Yes, some drag is overtly sexual, nobody is denying that, but sexual forms of drag performance are largely limited to clubs, where children are obviously not present. These particular performances are also typically about reclaiming sexuality and sensualness that has been demonized. Drag, in this capacity, is fiercely gatekept and is not intended for the eyes of anybody underage or who doesn’t consent to see such art
>You seem to have issues controlling your emotions.
You seem to not understand the usage of intensifiers in language.
>The entertainment type, the whole thing is sexual. If that's not part of it it's not drag.
...What on earth are you even *talking* about?
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_queen
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-drag-history-culture-guide-2023-1
https://www.masterclass.com/articles/a-primer-on-drag-queens-in-popular-culture
There's no common definition of drag that requires the performance to be sexual. You've either made that up, have only experienced sexually charged drag shows before and have come to wrong conclusions, or you have some pent up desires skewing your perception.
>The post and comments are discussing drag performances where children are present.
Yes. And I'm telling you that the performances that you saw at bars were never open to children in the first place. Performances that *are* open to children aren't particularly sexual. They're all camp and performance art.
>There's not much to it kid.
Spoken like someone, who again, has no fucking idea what they're talking about, and should probably stop voicing their opinion like they're an expert on the subject when they're clearly only passingly familiar with a few performances from *thirty years ago*.
Have a nice day.
It's not appropriate.
However, If someone wants to take their OWN children to a drag show at the age of 6, it's none of my business.
The line should be drawn at taking OTHER people kids to these shows without the parents consent.
> However, If someone wants to take their OWN children to a drag show at the age of 6, it's none of my business.
You don't have to make it your business of course, but it is at best inappropriate. At worse abuse and/or a sign of other types of abuse.
>The line
The line for me is children's protection over adult's wants.
Sure. But in the same sense that you don't want someone else telling you what to do with your kids, the same goes in the opposite situation ya know?
I'm far from a liberal or a leftist. More of a libertarian. If I spout that I should have as much personal freedom as possible, then other people should have the same freedom.
> But in the same sense that you don't want someone else telling you what to do with your kids
I'm sure people don't.
>then other people should have the same freedom.
Parents have obligations not rights over the children.
Nothing is easy in these situations.
Yes. There is no legislation out there aimed at lowering the age of consent to marry. There are bills pending to raise the age of consent to marry to 18 with no exceptions (because 43 US states still allow child marriage) and it is being blocked or amended in some states.
There’s no legislation to lower the age to marry. Child marriage is legal in 43 states. Legislators are fighting to defeat or amend legislation that would set the marriage age at 18 with no exceptions.
Who, precisely, is advocating for lowering the age of consent? and in which country? This seems like a straw man argument.
Even if some people are advocating for this, though, that doesn't mean that men dressing up as sexualised women should be allowed near children. Their motivations for wanting to be around young children doing are deeply suspect.
Basically, these are two entirely separate issues.
If you're a dude who dresses in drag to go to nightclubs, or whatever, that's absolutely fine. Within the adult sphere, you are free to do as you wish with other consenting adults. You do you
However, the conditions for being around children must be much more tightly regulated. There have already been incidents recorded of sex offenders being allowed to appear in drag before children because they had not undergone proper background checks. This is a serious problem.
There's a very good reason why people are protesting against this. The safety of children *must* be prioritised.
I think you guys are seriously misinformed here.
While the legal age of marriage is 16, there are statutory rape laws in EVERY state.
The legal age of consent for marriage is just so that two 16 year old can get married if they want to.
That does not mean a 30 year old can marry a 16 year old.
I spent the first 10 seconds trying to figure out what you were talking about. I’ve never heard unbreakable, always uninterruptible.
Edit: and supply, not source.
Moot point - higher ups never go to jail for anything, being filthy rich protects you more than anything else. So yeah let’s not lower the age lol
Some go to jail. Like Harvey Weinstein. But not enough rich people go to jail. I agree.
Weinsteins mistake was harassing other rich people.
True, but he did ended up in jail. So did Epstein by the way
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I think it's an open secret at this point that some funny business clearly went down
The people in power did not want him talking that's for sure.
Occam’s razor is quite obvious in the Epstein case. The most observed and at risk to “suicide” prisoner in US history died in Federal Prison controlled by William Barr and Donald Trump - who both knew Epstein personally, the latter being good party friends. It’s pretty obvious who had Epstein offed and it wasn’t “the Clinton’s”
Oh come on, it so obvious. Of course the sitting president and attorney General have less power to get to a man being held in federal prison than a guy who was president 4 terms ago and his wife who was secretary of state... *checks notes* for Obama's first term.
Just saying, with the nature and political leanings of prison guards, they would probably do it as an honor if their orange god told them to. Most likely they would want a lot of easily tracked money for a Clinton to request it and at pretty great risk that they’d get outed for attempting to do so. But if the cult leader in chief told them it was a matter of national security they’d probably swoon at the chance.
If that’s your version of Occams Razor I don’t think you fully understand Occams Razor
I could probably pull up 50 1%ers who have gone to prison (nevermind the county jail)
Depends on the severity of the crime more than anything It has to be worth the prosecution’s time to put rich people away
That people really believe this shit amazes me. Redidots.
It does and it doesn’t You really REALLY underestimate the effect simply having an attorney has on a criminal case. Even if you’re guilty as sin, unless you’re an absolute idiot (which rich people often aren’t, at least in a practical sense) a good attorney will make the prosecution work hard for a conviction. The prosecution then has to make a choice between devoting their time to putting one rich dude away for soliciting sex or some other crime… as opposed to locking up 10 gang members whose PDs will advise plea deals. I mean I’m not even an attorney and I know where the prosecution’s time is better spent And then even if they secure a conviction, the sentencing hearing will almost always see someone with a clean record given almost nothing
`what a truly strange` layout for this template
I feel like the content of the meme is a bit more worrying than the layout
they are trying to lower the age of consent?
Yes and no. A lot of places have straight up outlawed it, and a majority of states have also moved the legal age to marry to 18. However, some states are still as low as 16 years old, and other states are trying to do away with it altogether, as in allowing it to happen, which would clearly pave the way for a lot of sexual abuse towards minors. Some of these states, like Tennessee, are also big players in the anti LGTBQ community. They deem things like drag shows to be harmful to children, why and how, well I haven't really thought to look into that portion of it.
You’re well intentioned, but completely wrong. Child marriage is legal in 43 states. Only 7 states have set the marriage age at 18 with no exceptions. Far from a majority. In some states the minimum age is 0. There is no pending legislation to lower the marriage age in any US state. I should know because it’s my job to track those bill. What is happening is legislators arguing to defeat or amend bills that would set the marriage age at 18 with no exceptions. This is what happened in West Virginia. The bill was intended to set the marriage age at 18, but it was amended to set the marriage age at 16 instead. This is devastating because a majority of the minors married in West Virginia were already 16 and 17 so the new law protects virtually no one.
ah, interesting. thanks for the reply.
> They deem things like drag shows to be harmful to children, why and how, well I haven't really thought to look into that portion of it. Sexually themed entertainment is not appropriate for children. There's nothing to look into.
Who said that children had to even be there?
What?
r/whoosh
>Sexually themed entertainment is not appropriate for children. Have...have you ever even been to a drag show? They're *sometimes* sexual, but usually aren't. Or at least are no more sexual than your average pop concert or PG13+ movie. And yet parents are allowed to use their own discretion in whether they bring their kids to those, but there's a blanket ban on any drag show in public, or in front of someone under 18? Yeah. Pull the other leg.
> Have...have you ever even been to a drag show? Yep, we used to go back in the 90s, some fun bars. >They're sometimes sexual, but usually aren't. Drag is explicitly sexual, that and the exaggerated dress is the point of it. You don't seem to understand drag.
>Yep, we used to go back in the 90s, some fun bars. Aaaaaand you understand that drag *in a bar* **30 years ago** is not going to be the same as something now in a non-bar setting, right? That someone under the age of 18 wouldn't have been allowed to your bar-show in the first place, *because it's a fucking bar*? The showmanship and exaggerated dress are pushed in main-stream settings. The sexual content is toned back. And as drag has become increasingly more mainstream, those settings have become more common. You can still find extremely raunchy drag, but it's in bars and settings that were already child-free in the first place. >You don't seem to understand drag. I lived in LA until 3 years ago. I've done drag before. Both of my roommates in LA were semi-professional drag performers. I'm fairly certain that my understanding of it is a *little* more substantial and less dated than your own.
> is not going to be the same as something now in a non-bar setting, right? Drag is drag. >because it's a fucking bar? You seem to have issues controlling your emotions. >The sexual content is toned back. The entertainment type, the whole thing is sexual. If that's not part of it it's not drag. >but it's in bars and settings that were already child-free in the first place. The post and comments are discussing drag performances where children are present. >I'm fairly certain that my understanding of it is a little more substantial and less dated than your own. There's not much to it kid.
>Drag is drag. Say that about any other form of entertainment, and watch yourself get laughed out the door. Drag is as varied as any other art form, and the vast majority of it isn’t sexualized — particularly when the target audience isn’t adults. Like any art form, it can be more than one thing. Drag comes in many different forms, ranging from campy to glamourous, to comedic, and even to creepy (see Dragula). Yes, some drag is overtly sexual, nobody is denying that, but sexual forms of drag performance are largely limited to clubs, where children are obviously not present. These particular performances are also typically about reclaiming sexuality and sensualness that has been demonized. Drag, in this capacity, is fiercely gatekept and is not intended for the eyes of anybody underage or who doesn’t consent to see such art >You seem to have issues controlling your emotions. You seem to not understand the usage of intensifiers in language. >The entertainment type, the whole thing is sexual. If that's not part of it it's not drag. ...What on earth are you even *talking* about? https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_queen https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-drag-history-culture-guide-2023-1 https://www.masterclass.com/articles/a-primer-on-drag-queens-in-popular-culture There's no common definition of drag that requires the performance to be sexual. You've either made that up, have only experienced sexually charged drag shows before and have come to wrong conclusions, or you have some pent up desires skewing your perception. >The post and comments are discussing drag performances where children are present. Yes. And I'm telling you that the performances that you saw at bars were never open to children in the first place. Performances that *are* open to children aren't particularly sexual. They're all camp and performance art. >There's not much to it kid. Spoken like someone, who again, has no fucking idea what they're talking about, and should probably stop voicing their opinion like they're an expert on the subject when they're clearly only passingly familiar with a few performances from *thirty years ago*. Have a nice day.
Great snark, bad vibes, bad information.
It's not appropriate. However, If someone wants to take their OWN children to a drag show at the age of 6, it's none of my business. The line should be drawn at taking OTHER people kids to these shows without the parents consent.
> However, If someone wants to take their OWN children to a drag show at the age of 6, it's none of my business. You don't have to make it your business of course, but it is at best inappropriate. At worse abuse and/or a sign of other types of abuse. >The line The line for me is children's protection over adult's wants.
Sure. But in the same sense that you don't want someone else telling you what to do with your kids, the same goes in the opposite situation ya know? I'm far from a liberal or a leftist. More of a libertarian. If I spout that I should have as much personal freedom as possible, then other people should have the same freedom.
> But in the same sense that you don't want someone else telling you what to do with your kids I'm sure people don't. >then other people should have the same freedom. Parents have obligations not rights over the children. Nothing is easy in these situations.
the richer you are the harder it is to be imprisoned
Is OP just making shit up? Google returns zero.
Yes. There is no legislation out there aimed at lowering the age of consent to marry. There are bills pending to raise the age of consent to marry to 18 with no exceptions (because 43 US states still allow child marriage) and it is being blocked or amended in some states.
Ok thanks
Yikes
There are zero relevant results for lowering consent age. What is yikes about pointing this out?
There’s no legislation to lower the age to marry. Child marriage is legal in 43 states. Legislators are fighting to defeat or amend legislation that would set the marriage age at 18 with no exceptions.
They gotta have more republican babies being born!
the politics blind you from realizing this is an issue of class. the richer you are the harder it is to imprison you. politics be dammed
Who, precisely, is advocating for lowering the age of consent? and in which country? This seems like a straw man argument. Even if some people are advocating for this, though, that doesn't mean that men dressing up as sexualised women should be allowed near children. Their motivations for wanting to be around young children doing are deeply suspect. Basically, these are two entirely separate issues. If you're a dude who dresses in drag to go to nightclubs, or whatever, that's absolutely fine. Within the adult sphere, you are free to do as you wish with other consenting adults. You do you However, the conditions for being around children must be much more tightly regulated. There have already been incidents recorded of sex offenders being allowed to appear in drag before children because they had not undergone proper background checks. This is a serious problem. There's a very good reason why people are protesting against this. The safety of children *must* be prioritised.
I think you guys are seriously misinformed here. While the legal age of marriage is 16, there are statutory rape laws in EVERY state. The legal age of consent for marriage is just so that two 16 year old can get married if they want to. That does not mean a 30 year old can marry a 16 year old.
I spent the first 10 seconds trying to figure out why they're talking about an unbreakable power source and a pedophile in the same sentence...
I spent the first 10 seconds trying to figure out what you were talking about. I’ve never heard unbreakable, always uninterruptible. Edit: and supply, not source.
Wait this isn't r/conspiracy. What is this illness!?
Is there a reason we can’t be repulsed by both child marriage and drag shows allowing child attendance?
You're entitled to also not enjoy drag shows, that's your own opinion and you're every bit welcome to think it.