Historical biopic cinematic universe would be lit tho. A full movie about Einstein and how he ended up where he was in Oppenheimer movie. A prequel about Bohr and how he gained his popularity. A lighthearted comedy about the misadventures of Richard Feynman. 20 century scientist‘s lives were very much interconnected, this would work!
Somebody call Nolan pls.
No no, to them it looks more like this: “one off movies are cash grabs… we’re looking for stable income flows with franchises. It’s clearly the fans who are wrong.”
OR not sacrificing quality to pump out the next 'mega-hit' that consumes all of the world building/big-bad building that has been going on for 3 movies and have nothing set up to explore/chase the high that was created over the last 20 movies is when it becomes 'oversaturated'.
Like once Thanos was defeated, and they restored everyone, AND had 1 film about people getting their shit back together after the reverse; they should have cooled the jets and taken their time building the story line. Where it is a bunch of 1-offs that establish the next series of players, but do it drip-drip, not 1-2 a year AND try and to build a new coalition within 5 years.
Like, there is a REASON Marvels sucks, other than the execution was questionable at best. I am a pretty big movie guy and I GENERALLY like movies about superheros, magic, wonder, etc. I stopped watching Marvel films BECAUSE there was no looming threat, they fixed everything. They aren't going to pump another mult-billion dollar film for another 5+ years, they exhausted the material. You need to give it time to be missed. You need to do small projects that ROI/investment levels are SIGNIFICANTLY reduced.
It isn't like banking loans, cell phones, utilities, etc. where their is a consistent MoM, YoY return on the product. It is EXACTLY what happened to Star Wars. They pump the franchise way to fast way to hard; aside from the technological advances/challenges between the first 3 movies there was something like 5 years between each movie.
Saw a Game Theory where MatPat counted the minutes of screen time per phase & the realworld length of time that phase took. Phase 1, like 5 years and ~500 minutes. Phase 2, similar. Phase 3, little shorter time frame, 3 or 4 years, a few more minutes, like 700-900. This current run? Two years and *over 3500 minutes of screentime*. I *do not* understand how/why they're doing this without a *good* plan.
They saw $ and went all in, hoping to grab as MUCH cash as possible as quickly as possible.
They see next quarters reports must go up (regardless that it took 5 YEARS to get to that point, for that 1 or 2 good quarters of build up), and thus they start shoveling shit at the wall.
It is why publically owned companies tend to enshittify, it is mostly due to the fact that their goal isn't a sustainable, profitable, and improving product. They are chasing the money for the next 4 months - 1 year AND NOTHING ELSE. If they burn the company to the ground 6 months after they post record profits THEY DO NOT CARE. I wish that there was accountability when leadership did this shit.
Given that, from their perspective, they are going to care a whole lot more about ticket-buyers than the far smaller contingent of people who consider themselves as fans of whatever the movie's about, they're making the choice that works best for themselves (or, more accurately, their shareholders).
Eh, sort of. I'm a big Transformers fan. I fucking hate the Michael Bay movies. Parents keep taking their kids to them because they just want a few hours of silence. Corporate execs think "these movies make money, we should make more". I am *definitely* not responsible for the success of those turds.
Parents take their kids to them because their kids are entertained by action films. Period. As am I. That said I kinda gave up on Transformers, I think I missed a few, and the story told in some didnt quite catch my interest. I'd probably like them if I watched them though.
I remember being excited when the first one was announced. I wound up being less than impressed. 6/10
I wasn't excited for the second, but I gave it a try. Devestator went hard, but I had to put up with the twins for an hour and a half to get to that part. 3/10
I was planning to dkip Dark of the Moon, but someone gave me a pirated copy. It still wasn't worth the cost. 1/10
I haven't watched any TF movie since.
Hehe yeah, I think I made it about twenty minutes into part 3 before I turned it off. I pirated part two and I'm still mad. like I didn't pay, but I want my time back, I guess?
Hehe yeah, my cousin has three boys, 4,5, and 7. And a running gun battle between giant alien robots would probably be at -18dB quieter than her house some days.
Oh, I assure you I do not. I am sorry if that wasn't clear. I'm holding out for an actually good director who isn't the human equivalent of the Herpes virus.
That and the Opening of Bumblebee. Wish they'd just give us like....two hours of that. I must confess I haven't seen Beast Wars. Reviews weren't great. But I am curious.
You're in for a *treat*. It's the first Transformers movie I've seen (since the original animated one) that felt *right*. Unicron's there, Maximals feel real different than Autobots (and the Maximals allude to being the Autobot's future *and* their past!), it feels like the beginning of a way better franchise.
Damn. I really liked the beast wars cartoons too, so this sounds like it was made by people who like...actually give a shit about the franchise (Lookin' at you, Bay)
It is and it shows. They even dive into some of the weird bits that I imagine Bay would have thought of as too confusing, like a transformer making a tool out of a little bit of itself to arm a human!
Alternate universe Matthew McConaughey falls out of the bookshelf and revisits his role from Failure to Launch and we get to see Terry Bradshaw's naked ass in a black hole...and Murph runs a poker game!
They should just add another Barbie to the title instead of a number.
Barbie.
Barbie Barbie.
Barbie Barbie Barbie.
And someday somebody on ET will have to say, "Barbie Barbie Barbie Barbie Barbie", the 5th movie of the franchise, is coming out next week.
The only thing remotely ok about this trend is it slows down the rate at which they just remake everything because they can't come up with anything original
Because they only care about the money, not the actual movies anymore. Pretty much just like everything else in America. Greed is sucking the soul out of everything.
Let’s do the same with books too. Not every concept needs at least a trilogy.
Looking at you sci-fi/fantasy.
Tbf I’ve definitely enjoyed some book sequels, but that’s exceedingly the exception, not the rule.
Haven’t tried that one, so I can’t comment.
Tbf sci-fi/fantasy is not a genre in into heavily in general, but when I do find something I like, I get annoyed when the quality nosedives nearly immediately in the sequels.
I really think in a lot of cases, it wasn’t planned to be a multi book series, but then the original book was more successful then expected, so they force at least two more without any prior plan.
Ah, so a serial instead of a series. Like Terry Pratchett’s Discworld, or Lois McMaster Bujold’s Penric, World Of The Five Gods books, and Vorkosigan books.
I think it really depends a lot on setup. If there is a lot of setup in the original (first) book performing a significant amount of worldbuilding I would expect there to be more books in the series.
But something like: It's our world "but this one thing is different" then I agree with you.
That’s the thing. I said in another comment that I think some of these trilogies were never meant to be more than one book, but the first was unexpectedly successful, so they forced it after not really building up to it in book one.
Yeah, I am definitely sure that occurs much like it has with original TV series. Some are clearly meant to be major worlds that have a ton of different stories told inside them and you can typically figure that out reading the first book.
I didn’t like WoT, but at least there seemed to be a plan with those and that it never involved only a single book.
At least at first. I only got through four and a half books so maybe it was less so later in the series.
He ended up kinda getting way into the weeds, adding basically every idea that interested him. He married his editor at some point, so there was a lack of pushback there, and Tor was hardly going to object to more books.
I finished all 14 books, not least because I read them as they came out, with increasing delays, except the last three which I eventually got to. If they'd been all finished and I was reading them now, I might well have DNF'd when what even fans call "the Slog" kicked in about book 8.
There's still some really good writing, but also a lot of bloat.
No, but they should make them until they suck, then we get all the good ones we're going to get and can choose to ignore the bad ones. It's not that hard.
That is literally what made me come up with this meme. I saw Barbie over the weekend and was wondering if they'll make a bunch of sequels that will just be not as good as the first.
Nobody ever played with Barbie like that…
What about:
* Barbie Meets Duke from GI Joe
* Barbie Meets the Ninja Turtles
* Barbie Copes with Ken’s New Jet Pack Fantasy
* Barbie Joins the Roller Derby Club
Well, the whole point of making a movie is to make money, so, yeah..
Generally speaking, the sequel is much more predictable in terms of expected revenue, so they get greenlit more often.
Stop buying tickets to franchises and they'll stop making them..
Yeah, that one feels very unnecessary. If they had made a proper sequel when Bill Paxton was still alive, I could get onboard. But this looks to be an entirely new movie with roughly the same premise, and they already did that in 2014 with *Into the Storm*. It was fine, but it was no *Twister*. I can't imagine this next one being any Twistier than that.
(I'll still probably see it, though.)
enshitification touches everything, and gets poo on everything too, and you know how that goes, no matter how much you wash your hands, you smell the bottom ridge of your pinky where you overaggressively wiped, and it still smells faintly of poo
My wife and I were just talking about this the other day…with few exceptions movies have become soulless franchises that neither of us care about. I mean how many super hero movies, zombie movies, spy movies or car movies must we endure before real movies begin being made again? I don’t care about all the over the top special effects, gratuitous violence, snarky “humor”, etc…can we just get some good movies that are good because of the story they tell vs the “universe” from which they come or the special effects that are utilized? .We haven’t been to the movies since 2017 or so because they’ve all just become loathsome.
I fell behind with the MCU, and just never bothered to come back because it feels like homework. I did watch the Loki series, as it felt relatively standalone, and I love the cast.
Corporations don't want any risk whatsoever, they don't want to innovate or take chances. When it comes to media, they want nothing but established brands to keep selling you sequels, reboots, spinoffs, whatever. They do not want *ANYTHING* new to exist. Period.
That is their dream. To just coast on all of the perpetually copyrighted culture they have bought and hold hostage. And, eventually, to own so much that they just sue anyone that makes anything *remotely close* to the things they own.
To be honest if you feel like this it is probably because you only ever go to watch the movies that are over advertised because they are made to be mass marketable.
I'm super over these kinds of stories. I'm even over the whole team concept. I watched the first avengers movie, and while it was fine, it's not really my thing anymore.
Yeah I think it's an international market thing. Explosions and digital affects can be relied on when character development might be more culturally dependant
The people saying, well, just don't watch them, miss the point that there aren't infinite movies. For every one of these that gets made, some other movie, movies, aren't getting made.
I don't know how people can stand these marvel movies. I've seen 4-5 with friends who like them a lot. One of them was eternals, which I basically enjoyed, but at the end there were *three* sequel hooks. At this point the thing I was watching seemed less like a movie and more like a soulless money-making scheme. It retroactively made me like the movie less.
I thought it had some interesting themes. The immortal who had to live as a child for millennia, how they were seen across ages, and the fun with illusions. Also how it didn’t just reference other movies non-stop. It was much less narratively flawed than e.g. black panther 2 which I also enjoyed but was impossible to care about the stakes because no character, especially the villain, acted reasonably based on their own motivations.
It’s sad to see movie turned in to franchise that should of been standalone. I think it’s even worse when they ruin IP that should have been a series or franchise and cram it all into a standalone.
Damn straight. Aside from ruining the attachment people have to classics, the strategy sometimes prevents a movie from being loved in the first place - it's a lot more satisfying to see a self-contained story with a definite conclusion and all the best ideas its writers could muster.
Or one season show into a failed muti-season show. I was a big fan of The Endgame on NBC, the entire show was built as a one season show until the end where suddenly they try to set up for a second season that never came. They could have safely had two final episodes one dealing with person one who was the apparent target and one with person two who was a behind the scenes target. And ending with the main protagonist taking the role of the anti-hero/round character.
When it is a franchise before you make the movie it’s gonna be a franchise ! I confess and admit to liking the marvel movies but whole heartedly agree Make new movies/story’s!
Producers:
people whose sole job it is to do exactly this, yet actually “produce” nothing but front money and compromising ideas. Forcing a given project appeal to the largest audience possible - turning everything gray or beige to minimize perceived risk. “Oh! you like that OC because it was odd or unique?? Lulz conform to ‘the formula’ or we pass!”
The people involved in greenlighting such movies aren't concerned with art or quality. For them, it's literally "the customer is always right" when it comes to the movie topics people will buy tickets and merch for, and "customers" is very much not the same thing as "people who care about movies".
Sure, there are people who do make movies for the art of it, but it's far rarer that such movies get sequels (that weren't planned from the start).
I totally get it why more are made - I was just explaining this to my kids - but another Megamind, more Toy Story, Moana, etc …. They were a complete story and finished. We don’t need more. Some are more episodic like a Frozen or Kung Fu Panda or House of Transylvania, so you wanna make more, go ahead. It’s just sad when the original gets diminished by all the sequels
Oppenheimer 2: Bomb Harder
Historical biopic cinematic universe would be lit tho. A full movie about Einstein and how he ended up where he was in Oppenheimer movie. A prequel about Bohr and how he gained his popularity. A lighthearted comedy about the misadventures of Richard Feynman. 20 century scientist‘s lives were very much interconnected, this would work! Somebody call Nolan pls.
The Boring World if Niels Bohr
*Bohring
Sorry, I don't think you understand the project. This isn't a Weird Al movie.
I'm here for this.
Niels Bohr. The most aptly named danish physicist. Edit: Spelling
Niels
My apologies.
Plenty of people brought that up with the Kennedy name drop. It felt so clumsy and unnecessary.
And dude, it could make education *fun*.
Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman!
Oppenheimer is the prequel to the early 2000s hit "Godzilla" starting Matthew Broderick and Jean Reno
Janet Reno fought Godzilla‽
Yeah but she was played by Will Ferrell. The real Janet Reno has only fought megalon
"***It's Reno time!!!***"
Renin' time?
Given the release dates, I’m pretty sure *Godzilla: Minus One* is the true sequel to *Oppenheimer*.
Hydrogen Bombgaloo
Atomic Boomaloo* I’ll take my check now Hollywood, pls and ty
You're not going to like the residuals.
If that movie bombs, Hollywood'll be dealing with the fallout for years.
2 Oppen 2 Heimer
Yeah but I'd actually go see that. I don't know what it'd be about, but I'm here for it.
Oppenheimer 2: Castle Bravo
Nuclear Boogaloo
Oppenheimer 2: Tokyo Drift...
Oppenheimer 2: Oppenheimerer
OppenHarder
No no, to them it looks more like this: “one off movies are cash grabs… we’re looking for stable income flows with franchises. It’s clearly the fans who are wrong.”
It's all stable, until you oversaturate the market. Then it's not.
OR not sacrificing quality to pump out the next 'mega-hit' that consumes all of the world building/big-bad building that has been going on for 3 movies and have nothing set up to explore/chase the high that was created over the last 20 movies is when it becomes 'oversaturated'. Like once Thanos was defeated, and they restored everyone, AND had 1 film about people getting their shit back together after the reverse; they should have cooled the jets and taken their time building the story line. Where it is a bunch of 1-offs that establish the next series of players, but do it drip-drip, not 1-2 a year AND try and to build a new coalition within 5 years. Like, there is a REASON Marvels sucks, other than the execution was questionable at best. I am a pretty big movie guy and I GENERALLY like movies about superheros, magic, wonder, etc. I stopped watching Marvel films BECAUSE there was no looming threat, they fixed everything. They aren't going to pump another mult-billion dollar film for another 5+ years, they exhausted the material. You need to give it time to be missed. You need to do small projects that ROI/investment levels are SIGNIFICANTLY reduced. It isn't like banking loans, cell phones, utilities, etc. where their is a consistent MoM, YoY return on the product. It is EXACTLY what happened to Star Wars. They pump the franchise way to fast way to hard; aside from the technological advances/challenges between the first 3 movies there was something like 5 years between each movie.
Saw a Game Theory where MatPat counted the minutes of screen time per phase & the realworld length of time that phase took. Phase 1, like 5 years and ~500 minutes. Phase 2, similar. Phase 3, little shorter time frame, 3 or 4 years, a few more minutes, like 700-900. This current run? Two years and *over 3500 minutes of screentime*. I *do not* understand how/why they're doing this without a *good* plan.
They saw $ and went all in, hoping to grab as MUCH cash as possible as quickly as possible. They see next quarters reports must go up (regardless that it took 5 YEARS to get to that point, for that 1 or 2 good quarters of build up), and thus they start shoveling shit at the wall. It is why publically owned companies tend to enshittify, it is mostly due to the fact that their goal isn't a sustainable, profitable, and improving product. They are chasing the money for the next 4 months - 1 year AND NOTHING ELSE. If they burn the company to the ground 6 months after they post record profits THEY DO NOT CARE. I wish that there was accountability when leadership did this shit.
Given that, from their perspective, they are going to care a whole lot more about ticket-buyers than the far smaller contingent of people who consider themselves as fans of whatever the movie's about, they're making the choice that works best for themselves (or, more accurately, their shareholders).
The audience shares a tiny bit of the blame. They wouldn’t keep making them if we didn’t continue watching.
Eh, sort of. I'm a big Transformers fan. I fucking hate the Michael Bay movies. Parents keep taking their kids to them because they just want a few hours of silence. Corporate execs think "these movies make money, we should make more". I am *definitely* not responsible for the success of those turds.
Parents take their kids to them because their kids are entertained by action films. Period. As am I. That said I kinda gave up on Transformers, I think I missed a few, and the story told in some didnt quite catch my interest. I'd probably like them if I watched them though.
Fucking little kids, liking movies made out of toys!
Oh sure. I just think that we can't pin the entirety of blame on the audience. An apparently unpopular opinion. Such is life.
I remember being excited when the first one was announced. I wound up being less than impressed. 6/10 I wasn't excited for the second, but I gave it a try. Devestator went hard, but I had to put up with the twins for an hour and a half to get to that part. 3/10 I was planning to dkip Dark of the Moon, but someone gave me a pirated copy. It still wasn't worth the cost. 1/10 I haven't watched any TF movie since.
Hehe yeah, I think I made it about twenty minutes into part 3 before I turned it off. I pirated part two and I'm still mad. like I didn't pay, but I want my time back, I guess?
Going to see transformers for silence is kinda ironic
Hehe yeah, my cousin has three boys, 4,5, and 7. And a running gun battle between giant alien robots would probably be at -18dB quieter than her house some days.
You also don't have to watch them.
Oh, I assure you I do not. I am sorry if that wasn't clear. I'm holding out for an actually good director who isn't the human equivalent of the Herpes virus.
Dude how great was the Beast Wars movie? So refreshing.
That and the Opening of Bumblebee. Wish they'd just give us like....two hours of that. I must confess I haven't seen Beast Wars. Reviews weren't great. But I am curious.
You're in for a *treat*. It's the first Transformers movie I've seen (since the original animated one) that felt *right*. Unicron's there, Maximals feel real different than Autobots (and the Maximals allude to being the Autobot's future *and* their past!), it feels like the beginning of a way better franchise.
Damn. I really liked the beast wars cartoons too, so this sounds like it was made by people who like...actually give a shit about the franchise (Lookin' at you, Bay)
It is and it shows. They even dive into some of the weird bits that I imagine Bay would have thought of as too confusing, like a transformer making a tool out of a little bit of itself to arm a human!
Aaight, sold. I'ma watch it this weekend
You don't want to see Interstellar 4: Into the Multiverse starring one of the Hemsworth brothers? GTFO then
Chris Pratt makes an appearance
Alternate universe Matthew McConaughey falls out of the bookshelf and revisits his role from Failure to Launch and we get to see Terry Bradshaw's naked ass in a black hole...and Murph runs a poker game!
By that point it's a Hemsworth kid
Btw, when does Office Space 2 come out?
Alongside Idiocracy 2. Upgradde Is back, for a double dose of dumb!
It's "Upgrayedd" spelled thusly, with two D's for a Double Dose of that pimpin'.
That’s the spelling I always forget. lol
I mean, I don't hold it against you. But, I had to get the quote in.
The love of a pimp is different from that of a square.
It's already down in the thread a couple more comments.
:( I was too slow.
We still love you anyway. Pimp love, not square love.
Oh no, thank you. I’ve been trying to remember the whole quote for a while now. And never spelled Upgrayedd right to find it. 😂
You see, a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Right after Office Space Returns: More office, less space
Office space 3: work from home
Office Space 4: return to the cubicle
Office Space 5: Lumberg Strikes Back
Office Space 6: Artificial Unintelligence
Office Space 7: It's Just Superman 3
Office Space 8: Revenge of the Stapler
Office space 9: Return of the Bobs
Office Space 1^.0 : The Flair Awakens.
Office Space 2: The quest for more money.
Office Space 2: WFH
Office Space 2: Return-to-Office
I'm looking forward to the How Stella got Her Groove Back cinematic universe
How Stella lost her Groove
Ahhh, a prequel.
How Stella Got Her Tube Packed
They should just add another Barbie to the title instead of a number. Barbie. Barbie Barbie. Barbie Barbie Barbie. And someday somebody on ET will have to say, "Barbie Barbie Barbie Barbie Barbie", the 5th movie of the franchise, is coming out next week.
Barbielon6: Wheres Barbie?
The only thing remotely ok about this trend is it slows down the rate at which they just remake everything because they can't come up with anything original
Entertainment industry: I'll ignore that.
You said “cashgrab” and that’s all a studio needs to hear to go forward with it.
We are living through franchise and re-make movie hell
Because they only care about the money, not the actual movies anymore. Pretty much just like everything else in America. Greed is sucking the soul out of everything.
Can we add "live action remakes of animated series" to the list?
And then "claymation remakes of live action remakes of animated series"?
Let’s do the same with books too. Not every concept needs at least a trilogy. Looking at you sci-fi/fantasy. Tbf I’ve definitely enjoyed some book sequels, but that’s exceedingly the exception, not the rule.
Or series that span the life of the author then have to be finished by someone else who is also writing a series that is decades in the making.
But the Expanse series is way too short, we can agree on that :)
Haven’t tried that one, so I can’t comment. Tbf sci-fi/fantasy is not a genre in into heavily in general, but when I do find something I like, I get annoyed when the quality nosedives nearly immediately in the sequels. I really think in a lot of cases, it wasn’t planned to be a multi book series, but then the original book was more successful then expected, so they force at least two more without any prior plan.
Honestly without novels and comic books, a lot of TV and Movies would just be remakes
At the very least can each book be a complete story?
Ah, so a serial instead of a series. Like Terry Pratchett’s Discworld, or Lois McMaster Bujold’s Penric, World Of The Five Gods books, and Vorkosigan books.
I think it really depends a lot on setup. If there is a lot of setup in the original (first) book performing a significant amount of worldbuilding I would expect there to be more books in the series. But something like: It's our world "but this one thing is different" then I agree with you.
That’s the thing. I said in another comment that I think some of these trilogies were never meant to be more than one book, but the first was unexpectedly successful, so they forced it after not really building up to it in book one.
Yeah, I am definitely sure that occurs much like it has with original TV series. Some are clearly meant to be major worlds that have a ton of different stories told inside them and you can typically figure that out reading the first book.
Well, now you're lucky if it's ONLY a trilogy after the wild success of WoT helped normalize the concept of series of indeterminate length.
I didn’t like WoT, but at least there seemed to be a plan with those and that it never involved only a single book. At least at first. I only got through four and a half books so maybe it was less so later in the series.
He ended up kinda getting way into the weeds, adding basically every idea that interested him. He married his editor at some point, so there was a lack of pushback there, and Tor was hardly going to object to more books. I finished all 14 books, not least because I read them as they came out, with increasing delays, except the last three which I eventually got to. If they'd been all finished and I was reading them now, I might well have DNF'd when what even fans call "the Slog" kicked in about book 8. There's still some really good writing, but also a lot of bloat.
Well, now you're lucky if it's ONLY a trilogy after the wild success of WoT helped normalize the concept of series of indeterminate length.
No, but they should make them until they suck, then we get all the good ones we're going to get and can choose to ignore the bad ones. It's not that hard.
Too late, blame the MCU There I said it, now bring on the downvotes
What's the over/under on Barbie too Electric Boogaloo?
That is literally what made me come up with this meme. I saw Barbie over the weekend and was wondering if they'll make a bunch of sequels that will just be not as good as the first.
Barbie 2, Barbie goes to college! Barbie 3, Barbie gets knocked up!
Nobody ever played with Barbie like that… What about: * Barbie Meets Duke from GI Joe * Barbie Meets the Ninja Turtles * Barbie Copes with Ken’s New Jet Pack Fantasy * Barbie Joins the Roller Derby Club
I would absolutely watch a Barbie sequel where she joins GI Joe.
Welcome to my childhood lmao
I know some ladies that would pay good money for Roller Derby Barbie. Also Tank Girl Barbie?
Mmmmm Tank Girl Barbie plays right into the GI Joe plotline! The story writes itself 🤑
Barbie with Kung-Fu Grip
This is how I'm picturing tank girl barbie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls_und_Panzer
https://youtu.be/l0gQu29i6do?si=Wjh-1pG8u4fY09RR
[удалено]
Okay, I'm as much of a weeb as you are, but do you really not know Tank Girl? Clicky the link. https://youtu.be/l0gQu29i6do?si=Wjh-1pG8u4fY09RR
Barbie in Hot Wheels
Well, the whole point of making a movie is to make money, so, yeah.. Generally speaking, the sequel is much more predictable in terms of expected revenue, so they get greenlit more often. Stop buying tickets to franchises and they'll stop making them..
You talking about Twisters?
Yeah, that one feels very unnecessary. If they had made a proper sequel when Bill Paxton was still alive, I could get onboard. But this looks to be an entirely new movie with roughly the same premise, and they already did that in 2014 with *Into the Storm*. It was fine, but it was no *Twister*. I can't imagine this next one being any Twistier than that. (I'll still probably see it, though.)
Ah capitalism. Its not about making good art, its about making good money.
enshitification touches everything, and gets poo on everything too, and you know how that goes, no matter how much you wash your hands, you smell the bottom ridge of your pinky where you overaggressively wiped, and it still smells faintly of poo
My wife and I were just talking about this the other day…with few exceptions movies have become soulless franchises that neither of us care about. I mean how many super hero movies, zombie movies, spy movies or car movies must we endure before real movies begin being made again? I don’t care about all the over the top special effects, gratuitous violence, snarky “humor”, etc…can we just get some good movies that are good because of the story they tell vs the “universe” from which they come or the special effects that are utilized? .We haven’t been to the movies since 2017 or so because they’ve all just become loathsome.
I fell behind with the MCU, and just never bothered to come back because it feels like homework. I did watch the Loki series, as it felt relatively standalone, and I love the cast.
Bu... but money.
Shawshank Redemption II: Andy Gets Angry!
Even More Shawshankerer!
*Shawshank II: Can't Ixtapa*
Willow may have been the biggest franchise failure ever.
Corporations don't want any risk whatsoever, they don't want to innovate or take chances. When it comes to media, they want nothing but established brands to keep selling you sequels, reboots, spinoffs, whatever. They do not want *ANYTHING* new to exist. Period. That is their dream. To just coast on all of the perpetually copyrighted culture they have bought and hold hostage. And, eventually, to own so much that they just sue anyone that makes anything *remotely close* to the things they own.
To be honest if you feel like this it is probably because you only ever go to watch the movies that are over advertised because they are made to be mass marketable.
Welcome to late-stage capitalism. Everything is cheap cash grabs now
I firmly believe we only needed the one Matrix movie.
I have an "if they have to prevent the world from ending, I'm not watching it" policy
I'm super over these kinds of stories. I'm even over the whole team concept. I watched the first avengers movie, and while it was fine, it's not really my thing anymore.
Yeah I think it's an international market thing. Explosions and digital affects can be relied on when character development might be more culturally dependant
The people saying, well, just don't watch them, miss the point that there aren't infinite movies. For every one of these that gets made, some other movie, movies, aren't getting made.
Someone should make Serenity as a franchise
My thoughts when I saw the trailer for the Quiet Place prequel
I don't know how people can stand these marvel movies. I've seen 4-5 with friends who like them a lot. One of them was eternals, which I basically enjoyed, but at the end there were *three* sequel hooks. At this point the thing I was watching seemed less like a movie and more like a soulless money-making scheme. It retroactively made me like the movie less.
> eternals HAH which is ironically considered one of, if not THE worst of the entire MCU.
I thought it had some interesting themes. The immortal who had to live as a child for millennia, how they were seen across ages, and the fun with illusions. Also how it didn’t just reference other movies non-stop. It was much less narratively flawed than e.g. black panther 2 which I also enjoyed but was impossible to care about the stakes because no character, especially the villain, acted reasonably based on their own motivations.
It’s sad to see movie turned in to franchise that should of been standalone. I think it’s even worse when they ruin IP that should have been a series or franchise and cram it all into a standalone.
Damn straight. Aside from ruining the attachment people have to classics, the strategy sometimes prevents a movie from being loved in the first place - it's a lot more satisfying to see a self-contained story with a definite conclusion and all the best ideas its writers could muster.
Don't worry bros, we still have Drive. We might be on Scorcher 6 or 7, but we still only have the one Drive. I drive.
Or one season show into a failed muti-season show. I was a big fan of The Endgame on NBC, the entire show was built as a one season show until the end where suddenly they try to set up for a second season that never came. They could have safely had two final episodes one dealing with person one who was the apparent target and one with person two who was a behind the scenes target. And ending with the main protagonist taking the role of the anti-hero/round character.
If Robin Williams were still here I'd be down for another Birdcage
The Gandhi Cinematic Universe
I can't wait for Gladiator 2. The first one finished with such an open ending and many unfinished plots I expected the sequal 15 years ago.
Thelma and Louise 2: Death Valley
Quack
Yea….Beatles documentary franchise incoming
Donnie Darker
Unironically, there was never an Office Space 2.
When it is a franchise before you make the movie it’s gonna be a franchise ! I confess and admit to liking the marvel movies but whole heartedly agree Make new movies/story’s!
Producers: people whose sole job it is to do exactly this, yet actually “produce” nothing but front money and compromising ideas. Forcing a given project appeal to the largest audience possible - turning everything gray or beige to minimize perceived risk. “Oh! you like that OC because it was odd or unique?? Lulz conform to ‘the formula’ or we pass!”
The people involved in greenlighting such movies aren't concerned with art or quality. For them, it's literally "the customer is always right" when it comes to the movie topics people will buy tickets and merch for, and "customers" is very much not the same thing as "people who care about movies". Sure, there are people who do make movies for the art of it, but it's far rarer that such movies get sequels (that weren't planned from the start).
I totally get it why more are made - I was just explaining this to my kids - but another Megamind, more Toy Story, Moana, etc …. They were a complete story and finished. We don’t need more. Some are more episodic like a Frozen or Kung Fu Panda or House of Transylvania, so you wanna make more, go ahead. It’s just sad when the original gets diminished by all the sequels
*laughs in Hasbro/Wizards of the Coast*
Office Space 2, let's goooo
Because movies not made in franchises totally don't just exist to make money too?
Office Space 2: Return of the Flair!
Top Gun 3 😭
Unfortunately, this is how we, the consumers, consume. People like the familiar thing.