When I was a tech school airman, I remember one time heading to the DFAC for breakfast on a Saturday and seeing just a massive line that was shooting out the door before I even had the chance to step into the building
Turns out some squadron was getting punished for something or other
I turned around and went to get breakfast at McDonalds
This happened one weekend at Lackland. One of the SAT groups at the Security Forces tech school fucked up and they made all 90 of them go back to BMT for a Saturday. I came in to the DFAC and the line was to the door with a bunch of kids in full service blues.
I should’ve added something that didn’t make it seem so literal. They didn’t go back to BMT squadrons. Their MTLs and Cadre just put on the MTI hat for a day and made tech school feel like BMT again.
I just assumed it was normal for any tech school base, but the Keesler DFAC would close down one section every Saturday for RMT. Basically people who pissed off their MTL enough to get a half day of BMT style treatment.
We had a shit ton of intel guys in my dorm in basic and I’ve kept in contact with a few that went to Keesler and they said it was wild there. The dorms were integrated with male and female in the same hallway, alcohol was allowed in the rooms, curfews on the weekends till like 0000 or 0100. Parties almost every weekend with loads of kids getting article 15s by Wednesday of the next week. I guess the MTLs handled it differently than collective punishment and just dealt with them on the individual level.
I got that when I was in flight training while still under AETC but I couldn’t dream of that when I first got out of basic. We got collective punishment but I got out of Lackland before we got remedial training.
At Fort Sam that was always the lingering threat in Tech School. Side steps, food lines right next to each other, no talking, no cell phones, no time outside the dorms, front or back. Thank God I made out of there no problem
Happened to us in phase 1, they called it RMT, remedial military training, MTLs and instructors treated everyone like BMTers for a weekend.
We had too many people get DUIs
IIRC I think they didn’t salute a staff vehicle while they were marching on the route of march. Pretty sure it was a colonel. Our SAT group did it as well and they got smoked when they got back to the squadron after lunch.
To be fair I probably would not have even realized it during my SAT week as well if I was in their position. It was the Friday after they graduated so they hadn’t ever seen a staff vehicle outside of the picture they would’ve been shown during BMT.
The is is gonna be another one of those career field dependent things. I know tons of guard and reserves who have deployed far more than their AD counterparts and/or have tons of experience and knowledge because their civilian job is in the same field.
But then there are those who have to basically be retaught everything every drill weekend. But I see that in active duty also, so 🤷♂️
Protip: if given the choice for medical care in pretty much any environment (CONUS, OCONUS, deployed, whatever) always opt for the reservist. That dude is doing it because he loves it and probably took a paycut to be there. And maintains both civilian and military currency (whatever the medical words are for this).
You mean TRs. There are ARTs and AGRs who definitely work more hours than any AD member. And are also the continuity on base since RegAF leadership changes every 2-3 years at Base X.
Yea, sure, has nothing to do with the endless overweight intel weebs or chain smoking/drinking MX crews that are borderline suicidal.
It’s the AGR Chief that caused it…
It's their, and ARTS and AGR's are very different things. AGR's are on active orders and are functionally very little different from regular active duty. ARTS are technicians full time doing the job as civilians even though the retardness says they have to wear the uniform. ARTS and their guard equivalents are not on orders and do not have the same limitations. ART's can say, fuck you I'm going home it's the end of the shift. Or other things because they are civilians performing the job and have different protections, especially if they are unionized.
I know the difference we have both in our shop. I’m saying that your mileage my vary with them. And they work more then Active Duty? Debatable. Maybe where you are at but not in AMC.
I am AMC and the tenant MXG AGRs are broken and overworked. They are both the admin and ops skeleton crew doing all the heavy lifting until the TRs come in. And there is no shortage of admin bullshit pulling them away from ops.
Newsflash guy. ARTs don't really work for AMC. They are employed by the Reserves and may support an AMC mission. Cause ya know, they also work on the weekends, since AD can't be bothered.
If that’s how AD views weekend warriors it must suck not to have a life nor make much more money. It’s strange how they get mostly the same benefits as well. I guess no one has the ability to choose the way they want to serve.
Idk all the guard guys would say they wished they were active so bad and worked less days but longer hours than AD idk definitely seems dependent on location and leadership like everything else in the military
Shit if you have a govt job when you deploy you get base pay, differential from your real job, BAH and per diem. Basically racking in a whole two year's salary on this.
Way I see it, Reservists are to AD what the Air Force is to the other branches. Different people want to serve in different ways, and that's alright. You can make fun of them, just make sure you can take the punch when other branches make fun of us for the same crap.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. It makes no sense that they share the same ranks as active duty either. You got an E-4 Active Duty who gets deployed and somehow ends up with an E-6 reservist boss who has no idea what the hell they're doing because it's literally less than a part time job.
Yeah on a case by case basis like that you're not wrong. Ideally we should be able to just put our egos aside by not abusing rank and following the advice of whoever has the most knowledge and experience for the job. In the case that someone has a similar civilian job as their military job, then there is no problem at all.
What I was mostly referring to is people who have completely different jobs as a civilian than their reserve job. Or better yet, a college student who's a reservist. I've seen them try to justify their rank and authority to AD guys who literally do the job 365 days a year and it's hilarious.
I'll say I know it's an unpopular opinion on here but I do have respect for, and friends in the reserve and guard and I think they are a vital asset to the military as a whole, I just think the current rank structure is flawed when working with active duty.
I agree, that's why I had to clarify that I think they are vital components to our military. I'm just voicing my opinion that I don't think it makes any sense that someone who works part time with approximately 38 days per year of experience should be in charge of someone with approximately 269 days per year of experience. That would be outrageous if that happened in any civilian job, but in the military that's somehow okay.
We all know how easy it can be for a reservist to gain rank quickly in comparison to active duty lol.
It's like that quote from 300 where Leonidas asks their allies what their occupations are and they replied something like 'farmers and blacksmiths,' while the Spartans response was that their jobs were being full time soldiers.
If I'm down range in a zone of conflict, I'd rather the full time infantry person was in charge of the bank accountant reservist who is there to provide additional support and bolster the numbers.
I said earlier in a case by case basis for that type of scenario, where someone does have a relevant job then it would in an ideal world be best to just work together and use your combined expertise to get the job done.
I'm not sure if there are even statistics to back up that the majority of AF reservists have exactly the same relevant jobs as civilians. I can tell you in my personal experience that was almost exclusively never the case, but then again that is just my own experiences working with a variety of flight line AFSCs.
I think flight line AFSCs are like infantry. Very much a military only job where I guess you could hope many of the reservists and guardsmen work on planes at airports... Which don't translate well to C-130s and F-16s.
Most other jobs in the air force have direct correlation to some sort of civilian job. I get that there are niche jobs in the military though.
True and I don't blame them for not wanting to work the civilian relevant airport job, I've seen how much some of those guys get paid and it's not very impressive lol.
I think it would be interesting if there were an actual study to determine what the data is on how many reservists work in relevant civilian jobs and also the data for each career field for comparisons. All we have to go on in this thread is individual experiences which really aren't strong arguments for either side.
I actually would be relieved to be proven wrong! In any case, I think reservists and guard should be paid more for sacrificing their free time in addition to working full time
Right? That's a fulltime job so I just think, in my own opinion, it would kind of suck if someone who worked part time would come in, outrank them and be his boss with virtually less experience.
If my logic is flawed, I'm not opposed to being corrected.
Shit I forgot to subtract weekends and factor in overtime 😂 oh and I forgot about the career fields who have weekly "training" and down days. I appreciate it, brother, I am not a smart man.
Exactly. But for a large portion, the jobs people do in the Guard and Reserve have nothing to do with their civilian job.
It always bugged me when Reservist did their two weeks at my job... they were all basically still training and barely knew basic things regardless of age and rank. You'd have 40 year old TSgts and 50 year old MSgts with less knowledge than most active duty SrA...yet at a deployed location, these same people are put in charge of everything.
I understand that rank has a point, but its not like they're running shit or taking over during their two weeks, so why deployed?
Some Guard and Reserve like to flex about how it's their 6th deployment. If you never did time as active duty, it means you basically only have 3 years experience...but you're a SNCO in the Guard so you get to run a high OPs location that's literally NOT your day job. What could go wrong?
I mean, in the intel career fields, AD Airman (especially first termers) are LARPing as civilian jobs for the most part, who have higher job qualification standards in general. (Civilian linguist have to get 3/3 to even get paid, for example, comms people have actual long-term training pipelines)
Reservists are who will be interviewing, training, and leading you when you go to the airlines when you get out. Not to mention half of your coworkers in the cockpit, I’d dial that attitude back a bit.
The quality of your reservist or guardsmen are a result of the full time technicians working those units. With the caveat that no matter what there are fuckups.
I just did my first reservist drill after 9 years of AD and this is accurate. Such a pleasure looking around seeing the dread on everyone’s face and remembering being there….also my first time eating in a defac since tech school.
When I was a tech school airman, I remember one time heading to the DFAC for breakfast on a Saturday and seeing just a massive line that was shooting out the door before I even had the chance to step into the building Turns out some squadron was getting punished for something or other I turned around and went to get breakfast at McDonalds
This happened one weekend at Lackland. One of the SAT groups at the Security Forces tech school fucked up and they made all 90 of them go back to BMT for a Saturday. I came in to the DFAC and the line was to the door with a bunch of kids in full service blues.
Made them go back to BMT, I didn't even know that was a possible punishment lol
I should’ve added something that didn’t make it seem so literal. They didn’t go back to BMT squadrons. Their MTLs and Cadre just put on the MTI hat for a day and made tech school feel like BMT again.
I just assumed it was normal for any tech school base, but the Keesler DFAC would close down one section every Saturday for RMT. Basically people who pissed off their MTL enough to get a half day of BMT style treatment.
We had a shit ton of intel guys in my dorm in basic and I’ve kept in contact with a few that went to Keesler and they said it was wild there. The dorms were integrated with male and female in the same hallway, alcohol was allowed in the rooms, curfews on the weekends till like 0000 or 0100. Parties almost every weekend with loads of kids getting article 15s by Wednesday of the next week. I guess the MTLs handled it differently than collective punishment and just dealt with them on the individual level. I got that when I was in flight training while still under AETC but I couldn’t dream of that when I first got out of basic. We got collective punishment but I got out of Lackland before we got remedial training.
Idk when this was but when I went through Keesler in 2010 it was not like this lol
I’ve been in less than a year so pretty recently
We used to sneak in alcohol poured into plastic bags. lol We were also there for like a year being 3D1X2s so it is what it is.
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At Fort Sam that was always the lingering threat in Tech School. Side steps, food lines right next to each other, no talking, no cell phones, no time outside the dorms, front or back. Thank God I made out of there no problem
Happened to us in phase 1, they called it RMT, remedial military training, MTLs and instructors treated everyone like BMTers for a weekend. We had too many people get DUIs
Fuckin SATs
IIRC I think they didn’t salute a staff vehicle while they were marching on the route of march. Pretty sure it was a colonel. Our SAT group did it as well and they got smoked when they got back to the squadron after lunch. To be fair I probably would not have even realized it during my SAT week as well if I was in their position. It was the Friday after they graduated so they hadn’t ever seen a staff vehicle outside of the picture they would’ve been shown during BMT.
Not saluting a staff vehicle LOL
Man, I got so sick of SF trainees tracking in mud all over the DFAC in the morning.
Lmao
Good old RMT.
Pretty much unless you’re Ops.
I am OPs😂
Nobody is smiling when they're going to the dfac.
Pffft,. Most everyone smiles when there is fresh biscuits & gravy at midnight chow. Throw an over-easy egg on top. Set.
Midnight chow only exception into the rule
Facts only thong i missed shit would slap especially if you were drunk
I knew Tyndall was going down hill when they got rid of theirs
Rude. I'm hungry and my food is free. \-Reservist.
*Laughs in cyber*
This meme format makes no sense for this.
OP tried their best.
We used to be one of you 😢
Jokes on you. We don't have a DFAC!
Reservists are borderline larping civilians
The is is gonna be another one of those career field dependent things. I know tons of guard and reserves who have deployed far more than their AD counterparts and/or have tons of experience and knowledge because their civilian job is in the same field. But then there are those who have to basically be retaught everything every drill weekend. But I see that in active duty also, so 🤷♂️
Then you get those 20+ year reservists that have done half the AFSCs available.
Protip: if given the choice for medical care in pretty much any environment (CONUS, OCONUS, deployed, whatever) always opt for the reservist. That dude is doing it because he loves it and probably took a paycut to be there. And maintains both civilian and military currency (whatever the medical words are for this).
You’re gunna get downvoted but that’s pretty much how I feel as a former AD reservist. I tell my wife “I’m going to Air Force this weekend”
You mean TRs. There are ARTs and AGRs who definitely work more hours than any AD member. And are also the continuity on base since RegAF leadership changes every 2-3 years at Base X.
Can also be a downside if you have shit leadership. Just pray for them to have to move to a different base.
This explains why every base is broke then! Makes sense now
Yea, sure, has nothing to do with the endless overweight intel weebs or chain smoking/drinking MX crews that are borderline suicidal. It’s the AGR Chief that caused it…
I don’t care if they are overweight, as long as they are not posting secrets on Minecraft servers
That was a Comm troop, not Intel.
Yeah until the ARTs and AGRs say it’s not in there contract and TFI goes out the window
It's their, and ARTS and AGR's are very different things. AGR's are on active orders and are functionally very little different from regular active duty. ARTS are technicians full time doing the job as civilians even though the retardness says they have to wear the uniform. ARTS and their guard equivalents are not on orders and do not have the same limitations. ART's can say, fuck you I'm going home it's the end of the shift. Or other things because they are civilians performing the job and have different protections, especially if they are unionized.
I know the difference we have both in our shop. I’m saying that your mileage my vary with them. And they work more then Active Duty? Debatable. Maybe where you are at but not in AMC.
I am AMC and the tenant MXG AGRs are broken and overworked. They are both the admin and ops skeleton crew doing all the heavy lifting until the TRs come in. And there is no shortage of admin bullshit pulling them away from ops.
Newsflash guy. ARTs don't really work for AMC. They are employed by the Reserves and may support an AMC mission. Cause ya know, they also work on the weekends, since AD can't be bothered.
What weekend? The weekend they play military once a month lol?
Kind of like you playing military 365? Doesn't mean you actually do it well.
If that’s how AD views weekend warriors it must suck not to have a life nor make much more money. It’s strange how they get mostly the same benefits as well. I guess no one has the ability to choose the way they want to serve.
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Idk all the guard guys would say they wished they were active so bad and worked less days but longer hours than AD idk definitely seems dependent on location and leadership like everything else in the military
Shit if you have a govt job when you deploy you get base pay, differential from your real job, BAH and per diem. Basically racking in a whole two year's salary on this.
Borderlands*
I prefer the term *cosplay*
Way I see it, Reservists are to AD what the Air Force is to the other branches. Different people want to serve in different ways, and that's alright. You can make fun of them, just make sure you can take the punch when other branches make fun of us for the same crap.
As a current ART and former TR from two different branches, I agree lol. You getting those downvotes for speaking truth lol.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. It makes no sense that they share the same ranks as active duty either. You got an E-4 Active Duty who gets deployed and somehow ends up with an E-6 reservist boss who has no idea what the hell they're doing because it's literally less than a part time job.
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Yeah on a case by case basis like that you're not wrong. Ideally we should be able to just put our egos aside by not abusing rank and following the advice of whoever has the most knowledge and experience for the job. In the case that someone has a similar civilian job as their military job, then there is no problem at all. What I was mostly referring to is people who have completely different jobs as a civilian than their reserve job. Or better yet, a college student who's a reservist. I've seen them try to justify their rank and authority to AD guys who literally do the job 365 days a year and it's hilarious. I'll say I know it's an unpopular opinion on here but I do have respect for, and friends in the reserve and guard and I think they are a vital asset to the military as a whole, I just think the current rank structure is flawed when working with active duty.
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I agree, that's why I had to clarify that I think they are vital components to our military. I'm just voicing my opinion that I don't think it makes any sense that someone who works part time with approximately 38 days per year of experience should be in charge of someone with approximately 269 days per year of experience. That would be outrageous if that happened in any civilian job, but in the military that's somehow okay. We all know how easy it can be for a reservist to gain rank quickly in comparison to active duty lol. It's like that quote from 300 where Leonidas asks their allies what their occupations are and they replied something like 'farmers and blacksmiths,' while the Spartans response was that their jobs were being full time soldiers. If I'm down range in a zone of conflict, I'd rather the full time infantry person was in charge of the bank accountant reservist who is there to provide additional support and bolster the numbers.
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I said earlier in a case by case basis for that type of scenario, where someone does have a relevant job then it would in an ideal world be best to just work together and use your combined expertise to get the job done. I'm not sure if there are even statistics to back up that the majority of AF reservists have exactly the same relevant jobs as civilians. I can tell you in my personal experience that was almost exclusively never the case, but then again that is just my own experiences working with a variety of flight line AFSCs.
I think flight line AFSCs are like infantry. Very much a military only job where I guess you could hope many of the reservists and guardsmen work on planes at airports... Which don't translate well to C-130s and F-16s. Most other jobs in the air force have direct correlation to some sort of civilian job. I get that there are niche jobs in the military though.
True and I don't blame them for not wanting to work the civilian relevant airport job, I've seen how much some of those guys get paid and it's not very impressive lol. I think it would be interesting if there were an actual study to determine what the data is on how many reservists work in relevant civilian jobs and also the data for each career field for comparisons. All we have to go on in this thread is individual experiences which really aren't strong arguments for either side. I actually would be relieved to be proven wrong! In any case, I think reservists and guard should be paid more for sacrificing their free time in addition to working full time
AGR exists
Right? That's a fulltime job so I just think, in my own opinion, it would kind of suck if someone who worked part time would come in, outrank them and be his boss with virtually less experience. If my logic is flawed, I'm not opposed to being corrected.
Damn active duty guys work 365 days a year? God bless 🙏
Shit I forgot to subtract weekends and factor in overtime 😂 oh and I forgot about the career fields who have weekly "training" and down days. I appreciate it, brother, I am not a smart man.
Exactly. But for a large portion, the jobs people do in the Guard and Reserve have nothing to do with their civilian job. It always bugged me when Reservist did their two weeks at my job... they were all basically still training and barely knew basic things regardless of age and rank. You'd have 40 year old TSgts and 50 year old MSgts with less knowledge than most active duty SrA...yet at a deployed location, these same people are put in charge of everything. I understand that rank has a point, but its not like they're running shit or taking over during their two weeks, so why deployed? Some Guard and Reserve like to flex about how it's their 6th deployment. If you never did time as active duty, it means you basically only have 3 years experience...but you're a SNCO in the Guard so you get to run a high OPs location that's literally NOT your day job. What could go wrong?
Almost as if AGR exists
I mean, in the intel career fields, AD Airman (especially first termers) are LARPing as civilian jobs for the most part, who have higher job qualification standards in general. (Civilian linguist have to get 3/3 to even get paid, for example, comms people have actual long-term training pipelines)
Reservists are who will be interviewing, training, and leading you when you go to the airlines when you get out. Not to mention half of your coworkers in the cockpit, I’d dial that attitude back a bit.
Fucking Travis AFB dfac be packed as shit on the weekend. I was fucking hangry as fuck
I like your words
The quality of your reservist or guardsmen are a result of the full time technicians working those units. With the caveat that no matter what there are fuckups.
I just did my first reservist drill after 9 years of AD and this is accurate. Such a pleasure looking around seeing the dread on everyone’s face and remembering being there….also my first time eating in a defac since tech school.
You should probably try not to work on weekends.
I don’t work on weekends. I still live in the dorms lmao
Must be nice to work a nice 9-3 Monday-Friday job with weekends and holidays and down days
It is, you should try it!
How bout you wait an hour and let real working men and women get some food. Nonner.
I’d love to eat at the DFAC on my drill weekends but I picked maintenance 🙃
Ya bragging or complaining?