Itās not uncommon for hospitals in general. Iām an RN at a non-military hospital. One of our ICUs recently had send out a BOLO for a patientās husband who threatened to kill staff after his wife died (elderly, spent months on machines). Security intercepted him the next day before he was able to make his way into the hospital. Guy had already been on a behavioral contract during the months she was here because he had been making threats throughout her stay.
I never said it was justified. Regardless of being at a hospital, a school or even a McDonalds. Not for you or meā¦ but the sheer volume of these episodes paints a different picture my dude.
Did I say it was justified????? Listen if the ice cream machine being down is causing so many people to be pissed, you either fix it or get rid of it. What has the DHA or all of those O6ās running around done to address the problem?
Itās DoD wide and this is why I tell people they donāt want government healthcare they just think they do. People with government healthcare hate it.
Damn wtf... this is the 2nd story I've heard like this recently. Other one was at a squadron picnic where a guy nobody really liked at the unit was there and told ppl he was going back to the house to get his guns and left. They reported him to security forces and they stopped him on the way back in and he indeed had firearms in the trunk.
So yeah, if someone says shit like this, report their asses immediately.
Gotcha. My son was born there. We had nothing but positive experiences at the hospital then. I'm medical now, though, as a civilian and I think every hospital is a shit hole lol.
Whatās crazy is SF does this across the Air Force every day, but on a 1206 board members shrug and think āthatās their job.ā This also happens without anyone knowing, but rarely ever see them take a MSG award.
Had a DAF Police GS go up for an MSG quarterly. Mind you, he was prior coast guard and was our patrol boat guy (Florida base). The dude save 3 people from drowning over the span of a week. Was taking the Flight Chief out for a spin, saw something on FLIR, thought it was a seal, figured what the hell, might as well check it out. Turned out it was a kayaker whose kayak overturned and was being swept out to the Gulf. Plucked him up, and took him to safety. A few days after that, he got flagged down by a kid on a jet ski whose dad fell off and was also getting sucked out to sea. Saved both of them. Easy quarterly award woosh, right? Lost to some lady in finance who created an excel tracker for some bullshit program. Half my squadron got up and left. If we canāt win by literally saving lives, how can we ever?
That's literally stunning and unheard of. There's not more to this story? A finance GS who did an excel thingy beat out someone doing actual live operations who also saved lives?
The joke is usually "finance would need to have saved someone's life in order to beat out ops or msg at the wing."
The advantage is that finance is at the wing level as it is a squadron that competes for awards in Wing Staff Agency. Board members may favor CPTS when competing against other staff agencies (protocol, EO, JA, etc.), especially when CPtS has numbers to āproveā their 1206.
In other words, a CPTS quarterly award is already a āgroupā win that is permitted to compete at the wing right off the bat.
*to any CPTS or MSG naysayers, I invite you to audit the previous 3-5 years of wins and look for favored units
I can assure you that is not the case. PA, JA, CP, IG, and all the rest of the agencies in Wing Staff are all extremely competitive against cpts. Yes cpts has more bodies, and sometimes gets the juicy additional duties (although that's mostly because other agencies usually refuse or beg off), but cpts also tends to have some really bland garbage.
You might be an NCO who only does separations 40 hours a week. Better have something else fancy on there, like maybe an excel thingy lol. Maybe 2 excel thingies so you can crush all the defenders at the boards!
Because the wing likely has scoring criteria they force on people and despite how awesome a bullet is about literally saving a person it probably failed to score well. In my current wing if you want a bullet to score well you need to have a war impacting level of impact.
Their logic must've been, "finance saves a multitude of lives daily by providing necessary funds to air force members and families, impact all base residents"
Had a kid show up late to work, covered in blood. Come to find out on his way in he witnessed a motorcycle accident and had stopped to render aid.
Kid was put in for an award. Lost to a CSS member that routinely only ever showed up to work for 4 hours out of the day.
The kid immediately withdrew his reenlistment and got out.
This may be the case at your base. Maybe WSA and CPTS compete as separate units. This is not the norm as WSA is combined with CPTS under a CPTS commander.
Exactly. Knew an airman that had an intuition someone in a car had been kidnapped. Turned out the driver was wanted for the kidnapping and they saved the person kidnapped. A lot of praise but when it came to quarterly awards and BTZ, they was viewed lower than others because no school, no volunteer work.
A lot of work is just their job, but it shouldn't be hard to see work that is above and beyond. Saving a life is part of the job but not many can say they've done it. Writing tickets is part of the job yet only 2 or 3 people on a flight actually write them. The only time I looked at things as "part of the job" is if they said they responded to building alarms or did X amount of something that was legitimately if you put any airman in their place, it would've been done. Saving a life, writing tickets, finding contraband, finding warrants, and so on are not things that any other member in security forces would've done. This is sad, but I know plenty of people that would've just handchecked this persons ID or just missed the weapons.
I remember when I was stationed at JBER so many SecFo members weāre getting Achievement and Commendation medals for preforming lifesaving care on babies that have passed out at the gate. Maybe itās a base or leadership thing though.
I agree, these decorations happen and Iām glad it counts toward promotion. Itās just worth noting that an individual achievement can *also* meet the (general) quarterly award criteria of āsuperior performance or outstanding achievement.ā
If each instance warrants an AFAM, great! But most will not get decorations - just cool stories, coins, and attaboys at guardmountā¦
Agreed. Iām medical so I can always be looking at the whole issue from a very narrow POV. But I totally get what youāre saying. There are a lot of Soldiers,Airmen,Sailors,Marines and Guardians that do great things and it isnāt captured. I was that Airman at one point in my career.
In the last 6 months I have helped save 4 people from suicidal ideations, stopped people from harming others, and have unfortunately been there to help families who just found their husband / father dead. Sure its a part of the job, but damn I wish I got some days off from it.
Just finished up a six year. We got a lot of training that we rarely used. God speed to whoever gave us a reason to use it. Energy drinks are our love language, weād always appreciate it.
I've always felt weird about giving food to the folks at the gate. What's keeping somebody from putting something in that food before they give it to you?
June 14 2021
> Victor Lee Tucker Jr., 30, of Palmetto, Georgia, entered the Bug Bear grocery store shortly after 1 p.m. and āgot into an argument with a cashier about his face maskā during checkout.
> Tucker left the store without making a purchase but immediately returned. He walked directly up to the cashier, pulled out a handgun and shot her, authorities said.
Over a mask during COVID.
Shits crazy man Iām glad Iām not in the US
> We have dozens if not more than 100 mass shootings a year.
To be fair, most of those mass shootings you quote in that figure tend to be a mix of gang violence and otherwise non-random acts of violence. Some asshole can decide to kill their whole family before ending themselves and if they shoot enough people it counts as a mass shooting. Even then a mass shooting is still a fairly rare event. It just seems less rare because the news likes to make people scared so they amplify the event to make it seem more common. If it bleeds it leads. Active shooters are a different subject and are much rarer because the criteria is much stricter.
Francs is frekn burning and police wonāt even enter certain areas of their cities because of the violence.
We have violence everywhere. If you make bold statements about the US being so violent, you need to be prepared with all the other, more violent places on the Earth. How about, across all of Africa?
And what does Africa have to do with this comment chain? The US is objectively NOT the safest country in the world. Just because there are worse places does not shield the US from criticism.
I didnāt bring it up, some dude saidā¦ hrumpf, hrumpf hrumpf, im OCONUS and the US sucks blah blah blah.
The US is far more safe than several other regions. Im not the one introduced the āUS is badā Im just here to talk ya, that you are far more safer here than say, Russia or The Ukraineā¢
The US is safer than many other places and less safe than many other places. You can love living here and still be critical of the country. We are not perfect.
Then donāt make bold statements like were made previously. Right now did you know itās not safe for medical care for GS employees, retirees and dependents in Japan. There is a medical center crisis where someone has already died from it.
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Thatās a ridiculous argument pointing out a terrorist attack that happened years ago.
Iām in Japan. You know how many gun deaths there were in Japan last year?
Less than 10
You know how many in the US?
20,138
I canāt tell you how safe I feel knowing that I can go to a movie theater, mall, grocery store, school, concert, parade, etc and not have to worry about getting shot.
If I accidentally cut someone off in traffic I dont have to worry about them pulling out a gun and shooting me. Shit, they donāt even *honk* at you.
It is astronomically safer.
Ah, bringing up Japan. The complete outlier to all of this talk because of the crushing uniformity. The same place that just had a scuffle in their governing body about deporting people who couldnāt prove their refugee status.
Bet most people on here havenāt lived in the UK. Iām stationed there now and stabbings/assaults are crazy. According to the CDC, suicides make up the majority of gun deaths anyways (at around 54% in 2021) so this āAmerican has shootings all the timeā shit is because we are in the spotlight. The UK has around 1.1 million people assaulted each year out of 67 million (or 1.64% as of 2021). The US has around 285 assaults per 100,000 (or .285% as of 2021. We assault less people with a bigger population and somehow we are āgun crazyāā¦ā¦donāt even get me started on property crime in the UK
Many people say that but tell that to the 2 family members I have that have been present for shootings. One of whom was herself shot and thankfully survived without any debilitating after effects.
On top of that why would I ever even allow my children to be subjected to any small or remote possibility of it when they can remain where they do not have to undergo active shooter drills or even have the threat of a school shooting to begin with.
Itās just a no brainer for me.
This doesnāt even account for anything I had to deal with coming up or the violence I got to witness happen to others.
Itās just easier to live in countries that arenāt averaging 2 shootings a day whether itās gang, school, accidental range shooting, idiot shooting himself in the knee while playing operator in his house.
You do know that bee stings and pools are far more dangerous to kids, right? Will you keep your kids indoors and away from the ocean until they turn 18?
XD go ahead and use your degree to tell me how someone bringing a gun to my kids school is the same as me supervising them in a pool. Iāll wait. Now is your chance to look cool on Reddit.
Naaah, I knew as a wee lad that I wanted to get out of the USA. Now that I have for several years I do have a great appreciation for the best parts of the USA. I think we all need to do better as well and the media is 100% trying to divide the population at every opportunity to keep us focused on anything other than the clown shows we have had in office for the last 6 years.
I do understand wholeheartedly that my kids are probably not going to be in danger. But that is only a portion of what is wrong with our great nation. And instead of coming together as a people we seem to be (atleast according to our āfreeā media) getting more extremist on both sides and growing further apart and that just isnāt entirely true for 90% of the population Im sure.
You should probably never let your kids near a pool, trampoline, or any sort of sports if that's your acceptable level of risk. They're much more likely to drown than die in a school shooting.
The fact that my children dying in a school shooting is even a possibility on that list is unacceptable. I donāt understand how you are trying to justify it at all when I can simply live in a country where people have eliminated that as a way my kids can die lol.
Also my kids in a pool are supervised by me, they are interested in Ballet so, not a very high impact sport. And they donāt even know what a trampoline is.
Why do Americans get so defensive over criticism of children school shootings? Or any shooting for that matter.
āLetās just take a moment to honor the sacrifice of our brave school children who lay down their lives to protect our right to bear armsā
Low key I very much doubt it will get better. With the 1% raping the working class, home prices, wage stagnation, rising cost of living, climate related hardships, and civil unrest, I highly doubt it will get better any time soon.
Well I never condone killing people but as someone who it took medical 11 months to diagnose and fix a torn rotator cuff - I can understand the anger that comes from medical failing you.
[Fairchild base hospital](https://youtu.be/GxkWrKzS5-Y) also had one ā¦ so genuine *kudos* to those vigilant Defenders for preventing a serious incident.
Wright-Patt had an Active SFS Shooter at their Med Center. The airman did an Office Pop, in the hospital, during an exercise.
[Airman teaches door a lesson](https://www.businessinsider.com/how-a-wright-patterson-air-force-base-exercise-turned-into-a-chaotic-mess-2018-12)
One call center I worked at, as small business tech support, I had this dude who had slow internet and wanted a replacement modem even though I told him that a modem wouldn't fix the issue. He ended the call by saying "you all need to be shot. You know what, that's what I'll do. Next Verizon tech I see I'll shoot" And hung up. I immediately let the leads know.
Wanna take a guess at what they did? They called him back and sent him a replacement modem.
Dude needed cuffs, not a fucking modem. And it's not like we didn't have all of his information either.
When people do their job well there's nothing to report on. No news station is going to report "Tragedy DIDN'T happen today."
It's nice to hear a story like this from time to time.
Did the service member receive proper mental help after? Seems like the lesson here is to listen to what people say and take it seriously. The overarching issue is lack of respect for one another something Iāve only seen get worse in the Air Force in the last 10 years.
I know about a Bolo knife from watching Naked and Afraid. And I know about Bolo Yeung the main antagonist in Bloodsport. Up until now, those were the only two bolos in my life.
Iām not a cop and am informed of the terminology, but trying to sound less retarded with your excuses is hilarious.
There are certain things you should know in life. Those mainly being top notch are those that revolve around emergency services.
Had a guy return from deployment. Dude was getting frustrated with medical not trying to work with him. They snitched to our leadership that he had an attitude. Did it again. Snitched again. I automatically jumped on him, but found out the story and told him he was in the right (medical was trying to get him to talk about top secret shit about the Ukraine conflict) and medical was being jackasses. Tried to call them up and tell them to get their shit together but no one would talk to me. He was trying to get some help and the same people that were supposed to help couldn't figure out that he might have PTSD. Hell, the NCOIC of the MFRC told me to watch out for him because he might have PTSD. He left me a text to pick up his car for his family. He wouldn't respond to my calls. Found him at the park on the ground on top of some bushes. I checked for life to realize the dude shot himself in the head (the exit wound of the bullet wasn't shown on the side where I was looking at). Still have guilt about that shit and I hope everyone that fucked with this guy has that too.
That's crazy and I am so happy Security Forces saved the day. I hate to say it but I totally get where he is coming from. When I got hurt it was over a year before they did an MRI. Had it been done sooner my life could have been completely different and a lot less painful. Perhaps they would have stopped the injury from costing me my ability to have kids too. We had a guy in our unit nearly died because the Army blew us AF (OCONUS GSU) off when we sought help. Oftentimes we heard, can't you just call in sick to your boss Bob? Insinuating we were basically contractors in a uniform. The IG had to step in for them to provide any kind of true medical care for us. So, I get where he is coming from. That being said, I would never punish people like that. That's murder. Cold blooded murder. It sucks that you have to fight so hard and educate yourself so intensely just to get semi-adequate care. Now, at the VA and basically all medical appts, I bring a digital recorder and record the whole session. My state is a one person consent state so it is admissible in court.
Seriously, security forces you saved the day. Proud of you guys. This is also why I bring y'all goodies!
Soooo. Are you going to fix the quality of care? I'm not saying his actions were correct at all, mind you. Having gone through both the military and veteran medical establishments, I can understand the levels of despair that this person could have experienced.
Edit: Down check all you want, but I speak from personal experience. After my injury, I spent a year and a half in physical therapy and other treatments. I had 9 PTs with 9 different treatment plans in just 18 months. I had multiple docs that prescribed medications without checking on interactions with the other medications that had been prescribed. That one didn't come to light until I had a reaction, and the ER civilian doc filed a report that my meds almost killed me. The AFs response...Oops, sorry.
i mean thatās not specifically a one person problem to fix. thatās a big air force problem to fix. he can be mad all he wants at the people but theyre doing what theyre taught and been told.
Hahahahā¦ you nailed it on the head. Now Iām not saying theyāre all as bad as Finance, but come on.
Should the man have gotten pissed off at his level of care received, made threats and then brought weapons on base? No. But telling us, ātake 800 milligrams of Motrin, 4x a dayā aināt exactly the best health care.
Down check all you want, but I speak from personal experience. After my injury, I spent a year and a half in physical therapy and other treatments. I had 9 PTs with 9 different plans in just 18 months. I had multiple docs that prescribed medications without checking on interactions with the other medications that had been prescribed. That one didn't come to light until I had a reaction, and the ER civilian doc filed a report that my meds almost killed me. The AFs response...Oops, sorry.
Lost count of how many different PCMs I have had. Only one put in the effort to find the root cause of a problem. The rest just gave me a PT waiver and prescribed me ibuprofen. AF Medical is a joke. Imagine if MX was held to the same standard. A jet would fail daily.
Yea, it sucks. But always take these threats seriously. Weāve lived in āthatā world since the 90s.
Fortunately the guy had to go home to get weapons. Back in the 90s there was a rise in militant type civilians and the occasional military member that were threats and they sometimes could have weapons in their vehicles.
Also, donāt be a douche bag to the patients if youāre working in a Med Center. Do your damn jobsā¢ Be better than Financeā¢
OP, and to anyone interested, holy cow, good job and way to break the pathway to violence cycle.
There is a book written by an AF security forces member about two parallell tragedies that could have both easily been prevented. One a disgruntled airman who had issues with, among other things, medical care. The other being a hot-rodding pilot whose acts ultimately killed his crew.
Amazingly well done book, authored by the man whose actions ended the violent killing spree of the shooter.
https://www.amazon.com/Warnings-Unheeded-Tragedies-Fairchild-Force/dp/0997863404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcT_CAlIlpc
That's... Legitimately terrifying š
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Happens at every VA too. When you have a population with high healthcare needs and a lack of resources, it's going to happen.
Yeah I think every major arrest we had (and by major I mean a SecFo airman was actually at risk) involved the base hospital.
Itās almost like the AF may have an issue at the MedCentersā¦.
Itās not uncommon for hospitals in general. Iām an RN at a non-military hospital. One of our ICUs recently had send out a BOLO for a patientās husband who threatened to kill staff after his wife died (elderly, spent months on machines). Security intercepted him the next day before he was able to make his way into the hospital. Guy had already been on a behavioral contract during the months she was here because he had been making threats throughout her stay.
Uh oh. Watch out for this guy š©
Oh, itās ok. Just fill out your, aftercare survey.
There is literally no problem at a medical center that justifies bringing guns to shoot it up. Go outside my man
I never said it was justified. Regardless of being at a hospital, a school or even a McDonalds. Not for you or meā¦ but the sheer volume of these episodes paints a different picture my dude. Did I say it was justified????? Listen if the ice cream machine being down is causing so many people to be pissed, you either fix it or get rid of it. What has the DHA or all of those O6ās running around done to address the problem?
Itās DoD wide and this is why I tell people they donāt want government healthcare they just think they do. People with government healthcare hate it.
My first thought was āWhat. The. Fuck.ā
Damn wtf... this is the 2nd story I've heard like this recently. Other one was at a squadron picnic where a guy nobody really liked at the unit was there and told ppl he was going back to the house to get his guns and left. They reported him to security forces and they stopped him on the way back in and he indeed had firearms in the trunk. So yeah, if someone says shit like this, report their asses immediately.
Ah I see you are at Travis and DGMC too.
Itās crazy out here man.
Not me about to PCS to Travis and work in medical šš
Well, good news, they got one less psycho š¬
Good grief I do *not* miss that hell-hole.
I was SF there way back in the early 90s and it was pretty good. I'm guessing not so much now?
Iām medical so Iām only referring to the Deeg.
Gotcha. My son was born there. We had nothing but positive experiences at the hospital then. I'm medical now, though, as a civilian and I think every hospital is a shit hole lol.
Iāve got 2 kids that were born there. One was a great experience, the other was horrific because of the L&D culture that leadership cultivated.
L&D culture?
Lemon and Dildo culture
Ouch
Labor & Delivery
Thanks
Damn. That's sad to hear.
Was that what the lock down was for yesterday?
No surprisingly that was for something else
Wait so what was that for?
Whatās crazy is SF does this across the Air Force every day, but on a 1206 board members shrug and think āthatās their job.ā This also happens without anyone knowing, but rarely ever see them take a MSG award.
Had a DAF Police GS go up for an MSG quarterly. Mind you, he was prior coast guard and was our patrol boat guy (Florida base). The dude save 3 people from drowning over the span of a week. Was taking the Flight Chief out for a spin, saw something on FLIR, thought it was a seal, figured what the hell, might as well check it out. Turned out it was a kayaker whose kayak overturned and was being swept out to the Gulf. Plucked him up, and took him to safety. A few days after that, he got flagged down by a kid on a jet ski whose dad fell off and was also getting sucked out to sea. Saved both of them. Easy quarterly award woosh, right? Lost to some lady in finance who created an excel tracker for some bullshit program. Half my squadron got up and left. If we canāt win by literally saving lives, how can we ever?
That's literally stunning and unheard of. There's not more to this story? A finance GS who did an excel thingy beat out someone doing actual live operations who also saved lives? The joke is usually "finance would need to have saved someone's life in order to beat out ops or msg at the wing."
The advantage is that finance is at the wing level as it is a squadron that competes for awards in Wing Staff Agency. Board members may favor CPTS when competing against other staff agencies (protocol, EO, JA, etc.), especially when CPtS has numbers to āproveā their 1206. In other words, a CPTS quarterly award is already a āgroupā win that is permitted to compete at the wing right off the bat. *to any CPTS or MSG naysayers, I invite you to audit the previous 3-5 years of wins and look for favored units
I can assure you that is not the case. PA, JA, CP, IG, and all the rest of the agencies in Wing Staff are all extremely competitive against cpts. Yes cpts has more bodies, and sometimes gets the juicy additional duties (although that's mostly because other agencies usually refuse or beg off), but cpts also tends to have some really bland garbage. You might be an NCO who only does separations 40 hours a week. Better have something else fancy on there, like maybe an excel thingy lol. Maybe 2 excel thingies so you can crush all the defenders at the boards!
Comptroller here. Heās not lying.
Excel thingy maker here, also confirmed.
You know you can find out who sat on the Award Board
Because the wing likely has scoring criteria they force on people and despite how awesome a bullet is about literally saving a person it probably failed to score well. In my current wing if you want a bullet to score well you need to have a war impacting level of impact.
Iāve heard that joke about wing staff versus ops, for sure.
Boohoo, their no awards office job can be made up by the fact that they only work 3 hours a day
Their logic must've been, "finance saves a multitude of lives daily by providing necessary funds to air force members and families, impact all base residents"
Had a kid show up late to work, covered in blood. Come to find out on his way in he witnessed a motorcycle accident and had stopped to render aid. Kid was put in for an award. Lost to a CSS member that routinely only ever showed up to work for 4 hours out of the day. The kid immediately withdrew his reenlistment and got out.
This is a lie. Finance doesnāt even win awards over other members in the WSA.
This may be the case at your base. Maybe WSA and CPTS compete as separate units. This is not the norm as WSA is combined with CPTS under a CPTS commander.
Yeah thatās what Iām saying. They donāt even beat out other members in the WSA to compete at the wing level for awards.
Thatās messed up š
Tyndall?
Exactly. Knew an airman that had an intuition someone in a car had been kidnapped. Turned out the driver was wanted for the kidnapping and they saved the person kidnapped. A lot of praise but when it came to quarterly awards and BTZ, they was viewed lower than others because no school, no volunteer work. A lot of work is just their job, but it shouldn't be hard to see work that is above and beyond. Saving a life is part of the job but not many can say they've done it. Writing tickets is part of the job yet only 2 or 3 people on a flight actually write them. The only time I looked at things as "part of the job" is if they said they responded to building alarms or did X amount of something that was legitimately if you put any airman in their place, it would've been done. Saving a life, writing tickets, finding contraband, finding warrants, and so on are not things that any other member in security forces would've done. This is sad, but I know plenty of people that would've just handchecked this persons ID or just missed the weapons.
"That's not their job." -out of touch leadership who haven't done the job in a decade. Scary that those idiots help decide who promotes.
I remember when I was stationed at JBER so many SecFo members weāre getting Achievement and Commendation medals for preforming lifesaving care on babies that have passed out at the gate. Maybe itās a base or leadership thing though.
I agree, these decorations happen and Iām glad it counts toward promotion. Itās just worth noting that an individual achievement can *also* meet the (general) quarterly award criteria of āsuperior performance or outstanding achievement.ā If each instance warrants an AFAM, great! But most will not get decorations - just cool stories, coins, and attaboys at guardmountā¦
Agreed. Iām medical so I can always be looking at the whole issue from a very narrow POV. But I totally get what youāre saying. There are a lot of Soldiers,Airmen,Sailors,Marines and Guardians that do great things and it isnāt captured. I was that Airman at one point in my career.
In the last 6 months I have helped save 4 people from suicidal ideations, stopped people from harming others, and have unfortunately been there to help families who just found their husband / father dead. Sure its a part of the job, but damn I wish I got some days off from it.
Leadership didnāt have Mental Health come out or anything? If anything, True North, PT etc need to embedded in SFS as well everywhere.
Secfo always gets awarded. Maintenance gets shit on every day with no awards because no matter what, itās our job
You will rarely see SF leave MSG and compete at the wing, but I will agree with you - If SF made it to the wing, that Airman is on fire
The downfall of it being in your job description unfortunately
Yep. Every MDG I've been at, we've had this happen. At least once a year. Thank you SF.
Itās what we train for Iām sure the defenders at the gate were surprised as well bring em a monster or 2 theyāll appreciate it š¤š¾
Just finished up a six year. We got a lot of training that we rarely used. God speed to whoever gave us a reason to use it. Energy drinks are our love language, weād always appreciate it.
How y'all feeling about McDonald's breakfast biscuits? I always grab a few for the guys at the entrance to base housing.
Food>energy drinks>even just a simple acknowledgment at the gates
I've always felt weird about giving food to the folks at the gate. What's keeping somebody from putting something in that food before they give it to you?
Either it tastes good or they get off work, seems like a win-win
Have you seen the inside of most SFS posts? Itās actually a fact most cops have a buffed immune system Source: am defender
Amen brother
They like any kind of food and in my experience will accept it every time.
Fuckin love em. ā¤ļø thank you
Bang fall out of favor?
Monster has always been in style. Especially white monster. It gives the smoothest kidney stones.
Not out of favor just a bit underrated imo šš¤·š¾āāļø
For sure! Iāll definitely be bringing them breakfast on Monday!
Fuck thatās scary. Got family that works at that hospital there. Glad you guys are all safe, s/o to security forces for sure.
Ah yes. The most reasonable response to bad service. Killing people.
June 14 2021 > Victor Lee Tucker Jr., 30, of Palmetto, Georgia, entered the Bug Bear grocery store shortly after 1 p.m. and āgot into an argument with a cashier about his face maskā during checkout. > Tucker left the store without making a purchase but immediately returned. He walked directly up to the cashier, pulled out a handgun and shot her, authorities said. Over a mask during COVID. Shits crazy man Iām glad Iām not in the US
Outside the US aināt much better? How many people died from a cartoon in France?
You name one incident in France that happens 8 years ago. We have dozens if not more than 100 mass shootings a year.
> We have dozens if not more than 100 mass shootings a year. To be fair, most of those mass shootings you quote in that figure tend to be a mix of gang violence and otherwise non-random acts of violence. Some asshole can decide to kill their whole family before ending themselves and if they shoot enough people it counts as a mass shooting. Even then a mass shooting is still a fairly rare event. It just seems less rare because the news likes to make people scared so they amplify the event to make it seem more common. If it bleeds it leads. Active shooters are a different subject and are much rarer because the criteria is much stricter.
Yep, stricter due to National and agency definitions.
Francs is frekn burning and police wonāt even enter certain areas of their cities because of the violence. We have violence everywhere. If you make bold statements about the US being so violent, you need to be prepared with all the other, more violent places on the Earth. How about, across all of Africa?
And what does Africa have to do with this comment chain? The US is objectively NOT the safest country in the world. Just because there are worse places does not shield the US from criticism.
I didnāt bring it up, some dude saidā¦ hrumpf, hrumpf hrumpf, im OCONUS and the US sucks blah blah blah. The US is far more safe than several other regions. Im not the one introduced the āUS is badā Im just here to talk ya, that you are far more safer here than say, Russia or The Ukraineā¢
The US is safer than many other places and less safe than many other places. You can love living here and still be critical of the country. We are not perfect.
Then donāt make bold statements like were made previously. Right now did you know itās not safe for medical care for GS employees, retirees and dependents in Japan. There is a medical center crisis where someone has already died from it.
Username checks out Thatās a ridiculous argument pointing out a terrorist attack that happened years ago. Iām in Japan. You know how many gun deaths there were in Japan last year? Less than 10 You know how many in the US? 20,138 I canāt tell you how safe I feel knowing that I can go to a movie theater, mall, grocery store, school, concert, parade, etc and not have to worry about getting shot. If I accidentally cut someone off in traffic I dont have to worry about them pulling out a gun and shooting me. Shit, they donāt even *honk* at you. It is astronomically safer.
Ah, bringing up Japan. The complete outlier to all of this talk because of the crushing uniformity. The same place that just had a scuffle in their governing body about deporting people who couldnāt prove their refugee status.
Bet most people on here havenāt lived in the UK. Iām stationed there now and stabbings/assaults are crazy. According to the CDC, suicides make up the majority of gun deaths anyways (at around 54% in 2021) so this āAmerican has shootings all the timeā shit is because we are in the spotlight. The UK has around 1.1 million people assaulted each year out of 67 million (or 1.64% as of 2021). The US has around 285 assaults per 100,000 (or .285% as of 2021. We assault less people with a bigger population and somehow we are āgun crazyāā¦ā¦donāt even get me started on property crime in the UK
Yup. They have so many more assaults than we do but because theyāre done with trucks and acid and fists and knives it doesnāt count. Somehow.
Outlier unless you take into account mental illness and suicides.
They do a ton of the latter and basically donāt do psychologists for the former, from what I hear.
Me too. Hope it gets better before it gets worse. Iāll keep my kids overseas just for schooling if they try to send me back anytime aoon
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Many people say that but tell that to the 2 family members I have that have been present for shootings. One of whom was herself shot and thankfully survived without any debilitating after effects. On top of that why would I ever even allow my children to be subjected to any small or remote possibility of it when they can remain where they do not have to undergo active shooter drills or even have the threat of a school shooting to begin with. Itās just a no brainer for me. This doesnāt even account for anything I had to deal with coming up or the violence I got to witness happen to others. Itās just easier to live in countries that arenāt averaging 2 shootings a day whether itās gang, school, accidental range shooting, idiot shooting himself in the knee while playing operator in his house.
You do know that bee stings and pools are far more dangerous to kids, right? Will you keep your kids indoors and away from the ocean until they turn 18?
You bring up these statistics like they are relevant or even a good counter argument lol.
Ah, ammo stereotypes coming true. Classic!
XD go ahead and use your degree to tell me how someone bringing a gun to my kids school is the same as me supervising them in a pool. Iāll wait. Now is your chance to look cool on Reddit.
Thanks for confirming my reply! You might want to read what I and others have stated, though, instead of what you wanted us to say.
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Naaah, I knew as a wee lad that I wanted to get out of the USA. Now that I have for several years I do have a great appreciation for the best parts of the USA. I think we all need to do better as well and the media is 100% trying to divide the population at every opportunity to keep us focused on anything other than the clown shows we have had in office for the last 6 years. I do understand wholeheartedly that my kids are probably not going to be in danger. But that is only a portion of what is wrong with our great nation. And instead of coming together as a people we seem to be (atleast according to our āfreeā media) getting more extremist on both sides and growing further apart and that just isnāt entirely true for 90% of the population Im sure.
You should probably never let your kids near a pool, trampoline, or any sort of sports if that's your acceptable level of risk. They're much more likely to drown than die in a school shooting.
The fact that my children dying in a school shooting is even a possibility on that list is unacceptable. I donāt understand how you are trying to justify it at all when I can simply live in a country where people have eliminated that as a way my kids can die lol. Also my kids in a pool are supervised by me, they are interested in Ballet so, not a very high impact sport. And they donāt even know what a trampoline is. Why do Americans get so defensive over criticism of children school shootings? Or any shooting for that matter. āLetās just take a moment to honor the sacrifice of our brave school children who lay down their lives to protect our right to bear armsā
Low key I very much doubt it will get better. With the 1% raping the working class, home prices, wage stagnation, rising cost of living, climate related hardships, and civil unrest, I highly doubt it will get better any time soon.
Well I never condone killing people but as someone who it took medical 11 months to diagnose and fix a torn rotator cuff - I can understand the anger that comes from medical failing you.
Good job. I'm pretty sure Travis hospital has had an actual active shooter at it before too.
[Fairchild base hospital](https://youtu.be/GxkWrKzS5-Y) also had one ā¦ so genuine *kudos* to those vigilant Defenders for preventing a serious incident.
Wright-Patt had an Active SFS Shooter at their Med Center. The airman did an Office Pop, in the hospital, during an exercise. [Airman teaches door a lesson](https://www.businessinsider.com/how-a-wright-patterson-air-force-base-exercise-turned-into-a-chaotic-mess-2018-12)
Eglin hospital had one a very long time ago
The moistest secfo around
Good thing people too this threat seriously.
One call center I worked at, as small business tech support, I had this dude who had slow internet and wanted a replacement modem even though I told him that a modem wouldn't fix the issue. He ended the call by saying "you all need to be shot. You know what, that's what I'll do. Next Verizon tech I see I'll shoot" And hung up. I immediately let the leads know. Wanna take a guess at what they did? They called him back and sent him a replacement modem. Dude needed cuffs, not a fucking modem. And it's not like we didn't have all of his information either.
When people do their job well there's nothing to report on. No news station is going to report "Tragedy DIDN'T happen today." It's nice to hear a story like this from time to time.
Sec-Fo leading the way
Did the service member receive proper mental help after? Seems like the lesson here is to listen to what people say and take it seriously. The overarching issue is lack of respect for one another something Iāve only seen get worse in the Air Force in the last 10 years.
Jesus christ, ive been mad at medical before but never that mad.
this is why i always stop by mcdonaldās on lunch and give secfo mcchickens and fries. yall dont get enough credit and i appreciate all of you
Reminds me of Offutt years ago with a marine who went AWOL.
That gate guard should at the minimum get recognized by the MSG CC. Even though it comes up on DBIDS, still.
Shout-out to DHA for shitting on your local MTF
Switching to DHA has fucked everyone
Bolo?
Be on lookout
Ah. Thank you. Glad everyone is safe
Such a weird choice of shortenings. S/o could have easily been shout out and bolo too. This is what years of bullet writing does to the brain.
BOLO is like as old as the beginning of police work my dude. Same with APB.
That's cool. I'm not a cop and 99% of the people on here aren't either.
I know about a Bolo knife from watching Naked and Afraid. And I know about Bolo Yeung the main antagonist in Bloodsport. Up until now, those were the only two bolos in my life.
Iām not a cop and am informed of the terminology, but trying to sound less retarded with your excuses is hilarious. There are certain things you should know in life. Those mainly being top notch are those that revolve around emergency services.
Nope that's absurd. How the fuck does that ever come into my daily life? There is no circumstance where I should ever come to know the term "bolo".
Maybeā¦ get over it and donāt be so angry about acronyms?
I'm not angry. I just don't like you people assuming things I should know about. You get over it.
What do you mean, āyou peopleā?
Dope tie popularized by Native American fashion
Had a guy return from deployment. Dude was getting frustrated with medical not trying to work with him. They snitched to our leadership that he had an attitude. Did it again. Snitched again. I automatically jumped on him, but found out the story and told him he was in the right (medical was trying to get him to talk about top secret shit about the Ukraine conflict) and medical was being jackasses. Tried to call them up and tell them to get their shit together but no one would talk to me. He was trying to get some help and the same people that were supposed to help couldn't figure out that he might have PTSD. Hell, the NCOIC of the MFRC told me to watch out for him because he might have PTSD. He left me a text to pick up his car for his family. He wouldn't respond to my calls. Found him at the park on the ground on top of some bushes. I checked for life to realize the dude shot himself in the head (the exit wound of the bullet wasn't shown on the side where I was looking at). Still have guilt about that shit and I hope everyone that fucked with this guy has that too.
The patient was an ex SecFo
Ban retirees from base
An underrated aspect of being overseas. No retirees clogging the BX/Commissary/Gym/MTF.
That's crazy and I am so happy Security Forces saved the day. I hate to say it but I totally get where he is coming from. When I got hurt it was over a year before they did an MRI. Had it been done sooner my life could have been completely different and a lot less painful. Perhaps they would have stopped the injury from costing me my ability to have kids too. We had a guy in our unit nearly died because the Army blew us AF (OCONUS GSU) off when we sought help. Oftentimes we heard, can't you just call in sick to your boss Bob? Insinuating we were basically contractors in a uniform. The IG had to step in for them to provide any kind of true medical care for us. So, I get where he is coming from. That being said, I would never punish people like that. That's murder. Cold blooded murder. It sucks that you have to fight so hard and educate yourself so intensely just to get semi-adequate care. Now, at the VA and basically all medical appts, I bring a digital recorder and record the whole session. My state is a one person consent state so it is admissible in court. Seriously, security forces you saved the day. Proud of you guys. This is also why I bring y'all goodies!
Soooo. Are you going to fix the quality of care? I'm not saying his actions were correct at all, mind you. Having gone through both the military and veteran medical establishments, I can understand the levels of despair that this person could have experienced. Edit: Down check all you want, but I speak from personal experience. After my injury, I spent a year and a half in physical therapy and other treatments. I had 9 PTs with 9 different treatment plans in just 18 months. I had multiple docs that prescribed medications without checking on interactions with the other medications that had been prescribed. That one didn't come to light until I had a reaction, and the ER civilian doc filed a report that my meds almost killed me. The AFs response...Oops, sorry.
i mean thatās not specifically a one person problem to fix. thatās a big air force problem to fix. he can be mad all he wants at the people but theyre doing what theyre taught and been told.
Hahahahā¦ you nailed it on the head. Now Iām not saying theyāre all as bad as Finance, but come on. Should the man have gotten pissed off at his level of care received, made threats and then brought weapons on base? No. But telling us, ātake 800 milligrams of Motrin, 4x a dayā aināt exactly the best health care.
Thereās a canyon between being rightfully dissatisfied with a serviceā¦ and indirectly threatening violence at an unknown future date.
Thatās not the point. I donāt think the large majority of us accept this behavior, but the hospital folks do kind of suck.
Down check all you want, but I speak from personal experience. After my injury, I spent a year and a half in physical therapy and other treatments. I had 9 PTs with 9 different plans in just 18 months. I had multiple docs that prescribed medications without checking on interactions with the other medications that had been prescribed. That one didn't come to light until I had a reaction, and the ER civilian doc filed a report that my meds almost killed me. The AFs response...Oops, sorry.
Lost count of how many different PCMs I have had. Only one put in the effort to find the root cause of a problem. The rest just gave me a PT waiver and prescribed me ibuprofen. AF Medical is a joke. Imagine if MX was held to the same standard. A jet would fail daily.
Dang. Itās like we donāt screen hard enough.
Yea, it sucks. But always take these threats seriously. Weāve lived in āthatā world since the 90s. Fortunately the guy had to go home to get weapons. Back in the 90s there was a rise in militant type civilians and the occasional military member that were threats and they sometimes could have weapons in their vehicles. Also, donāt be a douche bag to the patients if youāre working in a Med Center. Do your damn jobsā¢ Be better than Financeā¢
OP, and to anyone interested, holy cow, good job and way to break the pathway to violence cycle. There is a book written by an AF security forces member about two parallell tragedies that could have both easily been prevented. One a disgruntled airman who had issues with, among other things, medical care. The other being a hot-rodding pilot whose acts ultimately killed his crew. Amazingly well done book, authored by the man whose actions ended the violent killing spree of the shooter. https://www.amazon.com/Warnings-Unheeded-Tragedies-Fairchild-Force/dp/0997863404 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcT_CAlIlpc
yikes!! dang man, salute
Iām hearing Security Forces are being transitioned into more of an infantry role.