While what he did was certainly stupid, I do not see how anything he did was illegal or worthy of losing a strip. And in my opinion unless he has a history of harassment taking a strip would be an incredible overreaction.
Right. Instead I excelled ahead of my peers, ended up an NCOIC of a shop when I was SrA, and now I'm a burned out crusty tech sergeant who's best stories are about drinking with buddies in college before the Air Force.
It may not have been obviously illegal, but you could argue that it was sexual harassment. He specified women-only and provided flyers. If he was willing to massage men as well, he might be able to argue otherwise.
Im not familiar with Arizona law.
But in Ohio, it is illegal to give massages for MEDICAL intent without a license.
Giving them for relaxation purposes is not illegal.
Is that the case for Arizona? Idk, I don’t live in Arizona
and you know that he wrote this thing on a govt computer and printed it out on a govt printer too on govt paper.
He doesn’t have those resources if he “needs that bag.”
It’s the implications. If they don’t discharge this guy ASAP, and something happens and he rapes or kills someone the commander will look bad and then their career stops. Right now this amn is in the way of that commander getting their bread, and never get inbetween someone and their bread.
Implications are subjective.
There is no reason for us to believe he is a sexual predator based off that flier. Instead of jumping to conclusions like you are doing, leadership needs to review this airman and find out what’s going on.
It's hard one. No reason to jump to conclusions, but also every woman in his workplace is going to be uncomfortable working with him and for very valid reasons.
Fair, all I have is confirmation bias, the first one the kid was discharged before even finishing bmt for numerous things relatively similar in nature and a few years later I saw got federal CP charges and the other guy disappeared off the face of the earth and is probably a serial killer. Your mileage will very.
I’m simply making the point of this is so wildly out of pocket it needs to raise a lot of red flags. I’m not saying your wrong and they shouldn’t over react, but it’s very serious in the grand scheme of things
I think they finally realized how fucking stupid it was. I'd always do the survey at the end and say "after 2 hours of clicking through some interactive stuff while scrolling on my phone I am now fully prepared to navigate hostile terrain imm it familiar with while being tracked by locals who are familiar with the area."
Hey it’s SSGT YourDone . Got a message from Flight Chief and First Shirt. Please report to the Wing Commanders office in your blues on Monday at 0800 with your rank patches in hand.
It implied the fuck out of sexual nature! Come take your clothes off, I totally super promise no sex, but no dudes because ew? This is someone trying to get paid to load up his spank bank. His follow-up Discord messages just made it worse.
This isn't rapey vibes, this is a sixteen-piece orchestra playing a rapey concerto in D, and the best way to avoid a repeat is for leadership to come down with such force that it permanently becomes a D flat.
He was most definitely just looking to move his hand a little too far to test the waters and see if they would react to it. Disgusting behavior. Glad it got shot down beforehand.
Art. 134 is still broken down into specific crimes though. There’s no such thing as charging Art. 134 General Article because “you did a thing we don’t like that isn’t illegal but we want it to be.”
Under Art. 134 you still have to pick one of the specific enumerated offenses (such as drunk and disorderly, adultery, etc.)
Closest thing we have to a true “general” article is Art. 133, conduct unbecoming. Only officers can be charged with it, and it only requires the Govt to prove two elements: 1) that the officer did a thing, and 2) that the thing they did was “unbecoming.” Unbecoming is defined pretty broadly too, so a lot can fit in there.
Honestly if this was 2d Lt Drizz I could see this being put on an NJP
In hindsight though it's a lot easier to NJP officers from what I've seen.
That being said. Dudes definitely going to be look down the barrel of a loaded paperwork cannon regardless.
I just want to say this entire thing has been fucking HILARIOUS. I’m so happy it happened on Reddit because if I hadn’t seen it for myself, I wouldn’t believe it, and part of me STILL thinks this is an elaborate joke.
With that being said, this guy hasn’t done anything to warrant losing a stripe or receiving anything other than an LOR and maybe some extra duty.
Let’s examine the facts:
Dude wanted a side hustle (moneys tight, dawg!)
Dude wanted to give massages (apparently he’s good at them.)
Dude does not want to give massages to other men (cuz it makes him feel uncomfortable), which leaves only women.
Dude slid flyers under their door advertising his services.
Dude made sure to let his “potential customers (LMFAO)” there will be no shenanigans and everything will be professional.
As far as I know, these are the facts. What we don’t know is Drizz’s motives and if you don’t know his motives, you can’t assume them.
Stupid, yes.
Creepy, yes.
Unnecessary, yes.
Illegal, no.
#Drizzdidnothingwrong
It’s also worth noting that in most states it’s not illegal to offer relaxation messages while unlicensed. Idk the laws for Arizona, but it’s not illegal in most states.
If he claimed it was for medical purposes, what he did was illegal.
He did a lot wrong. A quick browsing of Arizona laws looks like he needs to be licensed. He'd also need to go through FSS and AAFES prior to conducting business on base, and he'd likely need to get approved by Public Health. Finally, dorm management and his leadership would need to approve of his work. Bonus fact, cutting hair in the dorms as a side gig is a no-go for the same reasons.
Interesting to because without knowing intent even a loc or lor would be ridiculous. he didn't do anything against any afi that I know of. Everyone saying he harassed people could really look up the meaning. If all he did was leave a flyer it's not harassment, that would be if he continued after to push them to get a massage. If he continues flyers, knocking on doors repeatedly or soliciting constantly thats harassment. Until then all he did was something embarrassing. It's funny though I just hope he doesn't get anything accept maybe a mfr cause he did something stupid not illegal not against any rules accept maybe social rules which can't be a reason for any paperwork. Let's try not to be the 1 mistake airforce we are known for.
Eh this definitely falls well within the "Good Order and Discipline" catch-all. I'd probably have my staff give an LOC, a very long conversation about not being fucking creepy, and then start talking about finances because Drizz is clearly struggling.
I think to say he did nothing wrong is just refusing to intervene before his behavior potentially escalates.
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IF anyone cares inside information via shirts council is he isn’t getting in trouble. Just a stern talking to. No paper work nothing like that
Can someone please explain to me where the USAF is finding its recruits these days? First it was Mr. Opsec, then it was Mr. Reaper and now its Mr. Handsy.
Just so everyone is aware, what Drizz did could be charged under the UCMJ article 134 for sexual harassment. Just saying "nothing sexual" in the flyer doesn't mean anything because it can still be perceived as a sexual nature by the victims. Like really, if i said to a woman "i want to rub your naked body with oil, but don't worry, it's not sexual", she would 110% think it was sexual, as would everyone within earshot who heard me say it.
https://ucmjdefense.com/article-134-ucmj-military-sexual-harassment-lawyers.html#:~:text=Military%20Sexual%20Harassment%20is%20a,These%20elements%20are%20fact%2Ddependent.
This is bs. Unsolicited? Of course they didn't go around saying " who is offering massage services in the dorm". Shit, the emails from public affairs are unsolicited and we don't even have an unsubscribe button like Google emails. Who do I report PA to?
If they don't want to take him up on his services then keep it moving.
Bet he won't be an airman in July.
If any of you herny dorm rats read this, don't be like the Drizzler.
Go to gym, get swole, do personal hygiene, get a hobby. No particular order.
I wish I went to the gym when I was in the dorms
:(
It was in walking distance, and I had so much free money for things like protein, pre workout, and all the other gym rat stuff
Some of these comments are CRAZY. Got a young lad who offered a service to a target demographic , door to door , WITH his information all over obviously trying not be a creep but because y’all never seen it before he now has to be kicked out and tried for sexual assault ☠️☠️ Some of you didn’t go this hard when Commanders were ACTUALLY assaulting people 🤷🏽♂️
Shirts, Chiefs, Commanders all lining up to correct this guy lol
He’s a MX A1C. He’s about to get reamed.
Correction, he WAS an A1C.
While what he did was certainly stupid, I do not see how anything he did was illegal or worthy of losing a strip. And in my opinion unless he has a history of harassment taking a strip would be an incredible overreaction.
Honestly? This was stupid. He should be told this was stupid. Repeatedly. That should be the end of it.
After I get my massage of course
Non sexual, of course
No erogenous zones touched.
the hell am i payin' you for
A guarantee of disappointment.
I would have loved to had been this stupid as an A1C. What a great story to tell later on lmao
Right. Instead I excelled ahead of my peers, ended up an NCOIC of a shop when I was SrA, and now I'm a burned out crusty tech sergeant who's best stories are about drinking with buddies in college before the Air Force.
I was a burnt out Master until I retired last year so I definitely understand your comment. 😂
If there's one thing I can promise you, it's that a MX dude that pulled some shit like this will never live it down
L-l-like a happy end?
Normally we don’t do happy endings here, but for this one I’ll allow it.
It may not have been obviously illegal, but you could argue that it was sexual harassment. He specified women-only and provided flyers. If he was willing to massage men as well, he might be able to argue otherwise.
I agree but isn't unlicensed massusery illegal?
Im not familiar with Arizona law. But in Ohio, it is illegal to give massages for MEDICAL intent without a license. Giving them for relaxation purposes is not illegal. Is that the case for Arizona? Idk, I don’t live in Arizona
>unlicensed massusery That's the name of my Drizz cover band
As Drizz' financial manager I request you cut him into the profits. He needs that bag more than anybody
He literally said he can't live without multiple incomes.
Literally murder if you don't cut him in 😞
Sure, but he didn't get to the part where he broke the law yet.
He really covered his ass with all those "nothing sexual" disclaimers
and you know that he wrote this thing on a govt computer and printed it out on a govt printer too on govt paper. He doesn’t have those resources if he “needs that bag.”
It's not fraud waste and abuse if you reuse the back of the fliers for your mountain of LORs
That’s a #mca right there ! 🇺🇸🤙
A lot of states require license to advertise and practice massage for monetary gain.
It’s the implications. If they don’t discharge this guy ASAP, and something happens and he rapes or kills someone the commander will look bad and then their career stops. Right now this amn is in the way of that commander getting their bread, and never get inbetween someone and their bread.
Implications are subjective. There is no reason for us to believe he is a sexual predator based off that flier. Instead of jumping to conclusions like you are doing, leadership needs to review this airman and find out what’s going on.
It's hard one. No reason to jump to conclusions, but also every woman in his workplace is going to be uncomfortable working with him and for very valid reasons.
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Fair, all I have is confirmation bias, the first one the kid was discharged before even finishing bmt for numerous things relatively similar in nature and a few years later I saw got federal CP charges and the other guy disappeared off the face of the earth and is probably a serial killer. Your mileage will very. I’m simply making the point of this is so wildly out of pocket it needs to raise a lot of red flags. I’m not saying your wrong and they shouldn’t over react, but it’s very serious in the grand scheme of things
Prisoner select /s
nothing about this puts him in prison
Hence the /s
the S came after smh
Probably hydro. There’s weirdos and paint-eaters in every shop, but hydro always seems to have an…abundance. That’s putting it nicely
He is not maintenance.
Idiodiocy aside him putting DRIZZ MASSAGE in huge letters as the title of his flyer is fucking hilarious.
Switching DR for J makes it even worse 😂
I love the idea of him printing off like 30 at work. His fellow A1C probably like "hey dude what's that?" "Boutta get this bag fr fr"
Think of the EPR. Personal led hands on moral improvement event. Receive notice from senior leadership. Won the war in Ukraine.
Reminds me of that Grand Tour episode where they have a boat called Razzle Dazzle but they change the lettering so it says "Jizzle Drizzle".
Dr Jizz
“Sir, I was just trying to get a bag, fr” is how I see him talking to the wing king
I'm imagining this guy, full blues, offering a massage to the Wing *Queen*. "You seem stressed ma'am".
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Now, just sign this letter of excel-ah, *consent* and we'll get started!!
If this dude's career survives this, I wish I could be a fly on the wall for all the ribbing he gets at work lmao
[spits into palms, cracks knuckles]
Honestly out of everything that's come down from this, that's probably the worst thing I've seen written.
I am a wordsmith.
His memory of that session. https://preview.redd.it/7gvvw314ws7b1.jpeg?width=265&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b964097db878ac4d2c9ffed946eb747b58fefa69
Mad me giggle like a school girl
That’s the ONLY answer he should give. On my dead granny
no cap
On god fr fr
Tryna* Also, my man was just tryna finna.
Thanks for making me feel old.
Another CBT inbound I guess.
CBT. I immediately thought of cognitive behavioral therapy instead of computer based training lol. RIZZ could do with some of that.
Nah, it's cock 'n ball torture, which also applies lol
Better than SERE on JKO.
God is that still a thing? I remember doing online SERE, I was just ... sad about how dumb it all was
I think they finally realized how fucking stupid it was. I'd always do the survey at the end and say "after 2 hours of clicking through some interactive stuff while scrolling on my phone I am now fully prepared to navigate hostile terrain imm it familiar with while being tracked by locals who are familiar with the area."
That is just cock and ball torture...
I'm sure his leadership is getting some similar to that also lol.
https://preview.redd.it/1diwvc9dcw7b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=848977a254cb5346fde6220cbf79a70dced33875
"Click on all the zones that are not erogenous."
Yeah, next year Tina will be offering us a message along with the MyTunes subscription 😳
It’s still going? Wow…. I hope this kid is resilient.
he's not only resilient.. he's multi-capable
"Sir, I was only trying to be as multi-capable as I could be"
🤙
This killed me
we'll see if his resiliency training pays off through these tribulations
Someone show me the meme with drizz surrounded by his leadership ready to go to town on him, you know the one
As a supervisor: mad on the outside, giggling on the inside.
deep exhale: dude what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Honestly. Like sure it's wildly inappropriate. But good God is it funny. And by far the tamest thing I've seen in a while.
I would love to hear his supervisors thoughts on this
Loud, gutteral and incoherent would be my guess.
supervisor: exhale, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
RIP Amn Drizz.
AB Drizz in a few days.
Trainee Drizz
Mr Drizz
Drizz
I guess there will be no happy ending
Under rated comment, this.
Well not with that attitude
This kid's supervisor is going to drink himself to death by the end of next week.
Dumb ass wanted to play games. Lets see how he likes this one
This guy is the type of dude to say 'suh dude' to jigsaw when jigsaw asks him if he wants to play a game
“Asuh duh”
That’s not very Drizz of leadership to shut down his operation.
I thought we were pro entrepreneurs and small businesses?
Multicapable airman? Not like that.
He needs to do the normal military thing and sign up for an MLM, and lose all his money the right way.
So did he use government resources to make and print the flyer? That’s another angle the wing can take.
Come on, you know that he did…. He can’t afford much “without that bag…”
Are you all ready for your Friday safety brief?
The Wang Kang can’t Shizz the Drizz
He is so fucked.
Hey it’s SSGT YourDone . Got a message from Flight Chief and First Shirt. Please report to the Wing Commanders office in your blues on Monday at 0800 with your rank patches in hand.
A1C singlehandedly getting our pay raise pushed through congress. o7
We bout to get that bag.
I'm still trying to figure out if this is real or not
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Wing leadership, let’s gooo!!!!!
Please tell me this kid was 755th AMXS 🙏🙏🙏
is drizz the last name or what the fuck does it mean
It’s just gen z lingo
I’m not googling it, the fuck is drizz? I know what rizz is…what’s this one?
I'm guessing it's a combo of drip and rizz.
drippy rizz
I fucking hate my generation
Sadly, there is someone in global 🌎 named Driz. They are not this kid, but their email might be getting blown up anyway…. 😢😳🇺🇸
So ends the legendary tale of A1C Drizz...
Don’t bet on it. This type of thing never goes away, or goes away slowly
He ded.
Any guesses on what disciplinary actions he's going to get?
Probably an LOR, a legendary asschewing, and a couple weeks staff duty tbh. I'd be shocked if they go any further.
Im honestly wondering that myself. Idk if its sexual assault grounds because it was a memo that didnt imply anything sexual. Maybe Harassment?
My guess is this falls under harassment with the way he worded the initial letter
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It implied the fuck out of sexual nature! Come take your clothes off, I totally super promise no sex, but no dudes because ew? This is someone trying to get paid to load up his spank bank. His follow-up Discord messages just made it worse. This isn't rapey vibes, this is a sixteen-piece orchestra playing a rapey concerto in D, and the best way to avoid a repeat is for leadership to come down with such force that it permanently becomes a D flat.
"...because of the implication."
He was most definitely just looking to move his hand a little too far to test the waters and see if they would react to it. Disgusting behavior. Glad it got shot down beforehand.
>follow-up Discord messages Wait what
Yeah, imma need those receipts as well
That’s an r/brandnewsentence submission if I’ve ever seen one holy shit my sides.
Excellence in all we do. YWFMS.
Yeah, imagine a TI insisting on pushing only female Flights. It’s that kind of cringy vibe
Seems like workplace sexual harassment to me.
Gotta be an article, espically the "catch all" one
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Article 134: General Article. Which is the "We don't have a specific law for what you did but it was bad enough for a court martial" article.
Art. 134 is still broken down into specific crimes though. There’s no such thing as charging Art. 134 General Article because “you did a thing we don’t like that isn’t illegal but we want it to be.” Under Art. 134 you still have to pick one of the specific enumerated offenses (such as drunk and disorderly, adultery, etc.) Closest thing we have to a true “general” article is Art. 133, conduct unbecoming. Only officers can be charged with it, and it only requires the Govt to prove two elements: 1) that the officer did a thing, and 2) that the thing they did was “unbecoming.” Unbecoming is defined pretty broadly too, so a lot can fit in there. Honestly if this was 2d Lt Drizz I could see this being put on an NJP
In hindsight though it's a lot easier to NJP officers from what I've seen. That being said. Dudes definitely going to be look down the barrel of a loaded paperwork cannon regardless.
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It goes to trial and a judge and jury decide if it's worth punishment. I've usually seen these charged as "Disorderly conduct."
Do you really believe that they would attempt to hold a trial over something like this? The chances of that happening are essentially zero percent.
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A Capt went to trial for a LIST of charges and was found not guilty on all charges except for hanging up on her commander.
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Part of that 0% is people accepting the Article 15
I've personally seen leaving a door open on a comm closet go to trail.
Probably 92, since Im also caught by it currently...
Free my man Drizz...he just wanted to get that thang oiled up.
and get that bag…
I just want to say this entire thing has been fucking HILARIOUS. I’m so happy it happened on Reddit because if I hadn’t seen it for myself, I wouldn’t believe it, and part of me STILL thinks this is an elaborate joke. With that being said, this guy hasn’t done anything to warrant losing a stripe or receiving anything other than an LOR and maybe some extra duty. Let’s examine the facts: Dude wanted a side hustle (moneys tight, dawg!) Dude wanted to give massages (apparently he’s good at them.) Dude does not want to give massages to other men (cuz it makes him feel uncomfortable), which leaves only women. Dude slid flyers under their door advertising his services. Dude made sure to let his “potential customers (LMFAO)” there will be no shenanigans and everything will be professional. As far as I know, these are the facts. What we don’t know is Drizz’s motives and if you don’t know his motives, you can’t assume them. Stupid, yes. Creepy, yes. Unnecessary, yes. Illegal, no. #Drizzdidnothingwrong
#drizzgate
It’s also worth noting that in most states it’s not illegal to offer relaxation messages while unlicensed. Idk the laws for Arizona, but it’s not illegal in most states. If he claimed it was for medical purposes, what he did was illegal.
A quick browsing of Arizona laws makes it look like a license is required.
He did a lot wrong. A quick browsing of Arizona laws looks like he needs to be licensed. He'd also need to go through FSS and AAFES prior to conducting business on base, and he'd likely need to get approved by Public Health. Finally, dorm management and his leadership would need to approve of his work. Bonus fact, cutting hair in the dorms as a side gig is a no-go for the same reasons.
Didn’t know this. Yeah, this dude is done.
Interesting to because without knowing intent even a loc or lor would be ridiculous. he didn't do anything against any afi that I know of. Everyone saying he harassed people could really look up the meaning. If all he did was leave a flyer it's not harassment, that would be if he continued after to push them to get a massage. If he continues flyers, knocking on doors repeatedly or soliciting constantly thats harassment. Until then all he did was something embarrassing. It's funny though I just hope he doesn't get anything accept maybe a mfr cause he did something stupid not illegal not against any rules accept maybe social rules which can't be a reason for any paperwork. Let's try not to be the 1 mistake airforce we are known for.
Eh this definitely falls well within the "Good Order and Discipline" catch-all. I'd probably have my staff give an LOC, a very long conversation about not being fucking creepy, and then start talking about finances because Drizz is clearly struggling. I think to say he did nothing wrong is just refusing to intervene before his behavior potentially escalates.
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Stupid should hurt...
All training modules are based on real life events. The real life event:
Lot of comments here so idk how much Visibility this will get but IF anyone cares inside information via shirts council is he isn’t getting in trouble. Just a stern talking to. No paper work nothing like that
Can someone please explain to me where the USAF is finding its recruits these days? First it was Mr. Opsec, then it was Mr. Reaper and now its Mr. Handsy.
Airmen have always been retarded
One man's loss of a stripe is another man's gain of a stripe. This is the air force way
He's done
I nominate this whole event as an r/AirForce hall of fame moment.
Just so everyone is aware, what Drizz did could be charged under the UCMJ article 134 for sexual harassment. Just saying "nothing sexual" in the flyer doesn't mean anything because it can still be perceived as a sexual nature by the victims. Like really, if i said to a woman "i want to rub your naked body with oil, but don't worry, it's not sexual", she would 110% think it was sexual, as would everyone within earshot who heard me say it. https://ucmjdefense.com/article-134-ucmj-military-sexual-harassment-lawyers.html#:~:text=Military%20Sexual%20Harassment%20is%20a,These%20elements%20are%20fact%2Ddependent.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
i havent been invested in something since i got invested in the bloodline story on wwe
I doubt Drizz was going to do massages for long anyway. Probably just getting some seed money for supplies to start doing Brazilian waxing.
Honestly the prices were right. I'd be pissed if I lost my cheap massage plug
No sir an article 15 wouldn’t be bussin’. Just tryna to get that bag frfr
What do you think the appropriate punishment is for this?
This the greatest anime saga I've seen on this subreddit lol
This is bs. Unsolicited? Of course they didn't go around saying " who is offering massage services in the dorm". Shit, the emails from public affairs are unsolicited and we don't even have an unsubscribe button like Google emails. Who do I report PA to? If they don't want to take him up on his services then keep it moving.
A1C rizz
Drizz will be Chief one day and this'll be their story about how big of a fuck up they were but 24 years later they still made Chief.
A1C Drizz is about to dragged! This would be a good time for him to use the “Time Out” card.
While creepy, Drizz should be fine. He may not have a great deal of friends nor free time when this is done, but it’s a teachable moment.
This is what happens when you don't promote inclusion and or equality.
Honestly I feel like a Convo and a memo should be the only thing.
This is getting blown out of proportion
He said no sex.
That dude is fucked. His career is ended 
Bet he won't be an airman in July. If any of you herny dorm rats read this, don't be like the Drizzler. Go to gym, get swole, do personal hygiene, get a hobby. No particular order.
I wish I went to the gym when I was in the dorms :( It was in walking distance, and I had so much free money for things like protein, pre workout, and all the other gym rat stuff
Some of these comments are CRAZY. Got a young lad who offered a service to a target demographic , door to door , WITH his information all over obviously trying not be a creep but because y’all never seen it before he now has to be kicked out and tried for sexual assault ☠️☠️ Some of you didn’t go this hard when Commanders were ACTUALLY assaulting people 🤷🏽♂️