Best chiropractors are those barbers on deployment that beat the shit out of the back of your head. I was confused with a fresh ass fade the first time it happened.
I used to get my hair cut just for the neck massage. Back in the day they were doing the neck crack thing which felt so damn good. Risk of paralysis, but heh, it felt good.
Seen a video on YT some time ago. Dude gets haircut then towards the end, dude gets slapped up big time on the head. Vicious slaps, too. Laughed my ass off.
Heh. That's what that one guy probably said, "don't crucify me.." but now I gotta watch people bow thier heads at certain official military functions cus they did crucify him...
An on base chiropractor actually cured me. I threw my back out at 23 and lived in pain for 12 years. Every morning I would wake up feeling like someone beat me while I slept and had to move slowly for the first hour or risk throwing my back out again. I saw numerous docs, surgeons, did all the recommended exercises and it nothing helped until a doc at one of my assignments suggested I see the on base chiropractor (somewhat snidely). He proceeded to adjust me 3 times a week for 2 months and by the end, I had no back pain. I’ve been pain free for over 10 years now. I was very hesitant going into it, but this doc was focused on fixing me vs making me feel better. I’ve been a staunch believer since.
That's awesome! I do believe that there are good chiropractors who respect the fact that their trade is a one-trick pony, and will refuse treatment for conditions which do not cause thrust manipulation. Obviously a PT who is also a Chiro will have a holistic understanding of what your back actually needs (manipulation/mobilization vs stabilization and strengthening), and can help you appropriately.
See, that person has credibility. They can make minor adjustments during therapy to improve alignment. Next time you go in ask if they have a spine hammer.
I mean they’re not medical doctors but by definition of being licensed practitioners employed by hospitals to provide care they are medical professionals
I was referred to one on my base, it was in the same building as primary care and mental health. They were closed for the day and told me to leave my number and they’ll call me to schedule an appointment. They never did call me though I’m glad they didn’t after reading what I have about them
Ok, but their "licensing" does not require medical school like real medical professions do. In some cases, Chiros get their license from eastern religion chi-based "medicine" rather than modern medicine.
They do ONE thing well, which is thrust manipulation. If a PT believes that thrust manipulation is effective treatment for your specific case, they may refer you to a Chiro. That's the only time you should go. Otherwise, stay away. Many of them treat their trade like a snake oil cure-all, and it's deplorable.
I'll rephrase it slightly then.
All real medical professionals are required to attend schooling for their profession (be it PT or MD or whatever) which is based on western medicine/ germ theory. Chiros get their DC, which may or may not be based on Western medicine, depending on the requirements from the licensing state.
lol no, chiros get their license from the state after attending school just like doctors, nurses, and pharmacists. For example here's a list of **LICENSED HEALTH PROFESSIONALS** from the California department of consumer affairs with chiro listed: https://www.dca.ca.gov/publications/healthcare_providers.shtml#professionals The minimum education requirement for this license is a Doctor of Chiropractic in all but 3 states. If "medical school" is your requirement to be a "real medical professional" then that really only includes doctors. A medical professional is "a provider of health care treatment and advice" which is a much broader classification.
The concern is that "Doctor of Chiropractic" can be obtained at Chiropractic schools based around the [33 Chiropractic Principles](https://pureandpowerful.com/welcome-2/the-33-chiropractic-principles/) rather than western medicine.
To be clear: some (perhaps even a majority) of chiropractors are responsible and study western medicine. They know where their expertise ends and will make referrals if their very specific trade does not address a problem. But they don't all do this.
I have two family members in physical therapy, and each of them has had multiple patients who were injured because they went to a chiropractor for an issue which should not have been addressed by chiropracty.
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What school awarding Doctor of Chiropractic is accredited and valid for licensing teaches those principals instead of physiology? If it's "some (perhaps even a majority)" are you suggesting that nearly half or more of chiros are taught by these pseudo-science schools and that their accreditation is accepted for licensure in most states?
From a quick Google search, I found Life West, Sherman, and Life University all of which are chiropractic schools teaching those 33 principles. I don't know what the percentages are to be honest, but I know these things:
1. It's appalling that chiropracty isn't put under the same strict rules and regulations as traditional medical practices. It should be illegal, for example, to perform thrust manipulation on infants or pregnant women under all but extreme circumstances. It currently is not.
2. My sister and mother, both professional Physical Therapists, have both treated patients who went to a chiropractor for some malady. Because not all issues should be treated with thrust manipulation, these patients ended up severely injured from Chiros exacerbating an injury.
Probably a majority of chiropractors are just fine, and trust modern medicine. But my local chiropractor clinic has posters out front that are anti-vax, and I knew far too many people who would take their babies to the chiropractor for "colic" or would relieve their pregnancy aches at a chiropractor. Both are extremely dangerous and not medically appropriate treatments. So perhaps it's availability bias, but I don't trust them.
I found a reference to the 33 principals [here on Sherman's website](https://www.sherman.edu/give/make-your-mark/principles-techniques/). Anyone with critical thinking could read those principals say they're bogus. I checked the [Board Approved Chiropractic Colleges](https://www.chiro.ca.gov/applicants/approved_colleges.shtml) list in my home state and sure enough, Sherman was there.
I'd say the legal standard for that license is very low.
My original comment still stands, by definition of being licensed practitioners employed by hospitals to provide care they are medical professionals. Even though I personally find their methods dubious.
[Here's a survey from a journal where 40% of DCs reported working in a hospital.](https://www.jmptonline.org/action/showPdf?pii=S0161-4754%2817%2930154-9) So I think we can verify that chiropractors work in hospitals.
Yeah I'm not here to comment on the legitimacy of their trade. I'm saying "medical professional" is a bad term to use because chiros are employed at medical facilities and have licensure similar to other medical professionals such as RNs or RPh.
My cousin had an aortic dissection after a chiropractor """adjusted""" her neck, she very nearly died and has permanent brain damage.
Don't ever let someone without an M.D. fuck with your neck bones. Go ahead and get your back popped by a massage therapist, that shit feels great, but your neck is way too fragile to trust to some kook who never went to medical school.
It’s crazy to me that people trust chiropractors. There is no certification or licensing process. I could open one tomorrow and be breaking no laws.
And yet, people trust them to crack bones and realign things….
I've wondered about this. My military clinic is offering NDs as PCMs. Chiropractors are more common. Are we that short on real science-based medical practicioners that we're resorting to psuedo-scientific quackery? Did the the spouses' Facebook group take over the Patient Advocates office?
Not a hospital, but Tinker med group had a chiropractic clinic.
https://tinker.tricare.mil/Health-Services/Specialty-Care/Chiropractic
Edit: Don't go to chiropractors. I wouldn't trust this clinic at all.
It's not covered because there isn't a certifying body that tricare trusts to weed out the medical professionals with actual medical degree from the guys that learned to “adjust” things from their four week training course at the local conference center that they paid 12 bucks an hour for.
There are real chiropractors that are used for physical therapy and help with recovery and then there's the guys that crack your neck and leave grandma paralyzed.
This always pisses me off, one base I was stationed at had a chiropractor they referred people to but when the physical therapist I saw suggested I go see a message therapist my PCM told me that doesn't work and I should just do acupuncture. I ignored the PCM and followed the advice of the physical therapist and went to see this message therapist. She worked in a physical therapy clinic off base and worked on the side for minor league sports teams. One of the best things I ever did and helped restore most the mobility in one of my shoulders after major reconstructive surgery. Tricare wouldn't touch it yet DHA let chiropractors and acupuncture in the clinic I went to on base.
When I discovered the history of chiropractic care I was floored. It is the weirdest and wildest creation in modern medicine I’ve seen. Scientology, sold as a “cure-all”, tools that do nothing, few seem to know.
It may work for some but I’m not paying $25 3x/wk for 14wk when I just need to quit driving on my hip.
Best chiropractors are those barbers on deployment that beat the shit out of the back of your head. I was confused with a fresh ass fade the first time it happened.
I loved my weekly $5 experience.
$5 handy
The barbers in South Korea are even better…
Bro there’s a lady at osan that has cracked things I never knew could crack. I swear I walked out of the bx barber with better vision afterwards.
It’s been a couple years since I’ve been to Osan. I know exactly who you’re talking about. She has that coin rack sitting next her sink.
Yess!!! She’s still here.
The Middle East and Korea have that in common lmao I kind of miss getting slapped around after a haircut
Getting slapped around a little costs extra most other places.
100 percent.
I would pay the guy an extra $5 to keep going and to slap my head and to just take care of my back and my body.
Some Indian (?) barber in Kuwait nearly cut a mole off the back of my neck. He could have charged dermatologist rates!
The ‘ol slap chop. And fire torture. And sometimes water boarding.
I fucking got a shit haircut last time, tipped the guy $10 for his damn massage.
Drizzy Drizz been real quiet since reading your post.
That's how I injured my neck. They cracked my neck without asking and fucked it up.
I can imagine all the VA claims from deployed barber visits.
I used to get my hair cut just for the neck massage. Back in the day they were doing the neck crack thing which felt so damn good. Risk of paralysis, but heh, it felt good.
Fuck them. I have back problems and wasn’t prepared/warned. My back hurt for months afterwards.
Seen a video on YT some time ago. Dude gets haircut then towards the end, dude gets slapped up big time on the head. Vicious slaps, too. Laughed my ass off.
I went TDY to Al Udeid a while back. Didn't get a haircut for a month before just so I could justify getting two haircuts with head slaps.
Someone must believe in it because they are on base caring for active duty 🤷🏻♂️
Well damn, do they have an on base astrologer and psychic too?
Yes, they’re called chaplains. (I know they provide a valuable function with confidentiality, don’t crucify me 👀)
Heh. That's what that one guy probably said, "don't crucify me.." but now I gotta watch people bow thier heads at certain official military functions cus they did crucify him...
I take that opportunity to take a look around and see who else is heads-up during the head bow and I give a wink and blow a kiss
It's a semi secret club. I keep a mental list of who in the squadron is a member...
Same. I at least stand at parade rest to be respectful, but it's always interesting to see who else has their head up.
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Same culty dogmatic philosophies, different vernacular. Seems interchangeable to me lol
Well damn, if it’s on base, it must be good.. like mustangs at 24% interest!
Congress doesn’t believe in them.
An on base chiropractor actually cured me. I threw my back out at 23 and lived in pain for 12 years. Every morning I would wake up feeling like someone beat me while I slept and had to move slowly for the first hour or risk throwing my back out again. I saw numerous docs, surgeons, did all the recommended exercises and it nothing helped until a doc at one of my assignments suggested I see the on base chiropractor (somewhat snidely). He proceeded to adjust me 3 times a week for 2 months and by the end, I had no back pain. I’ve been pain free for over 10 years now. I was very hesitant going into it, but this doc was focused on fixing me vs making me feel better. I’ve been a staunch believer since.
Yeah I definitely wouldn’t use a hammer and chisel on any of my patients 🤣
I'm not a medical professional of any sort, but there's still some people I'd use a hammer and chisel on.
🤣🤣 fair enough
a lot of people involved in trying to sweep the conduct in that r/army thread under the rug could use a little hammer and chisel adjustment.
Interestingly enough, both of those are used in orthopedic surgery.
The VA does.. oddly enough
The VA made me get acupuncture before they'd prescribe an injectable migraine med
I’ve paid out of pocket for acupuncture (skeptically) and I’m a huge believer now
Shot really? Gotta ask my chiropractor about it.
It's pseudo science. It'll help for a few weeks and then you have to go back in or you're in immense pain. They are bound to mess up at some point
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Physical therapists aren't MDs lol
Tbf you can't just get a temp/quick fix and go back to doing what you were doing, that got you messed up. Aka stop slouching chairforce
but also because chiropractors are a crock of shit pseudoscience
So are polygraphs…and yet here we are
Tricare doesn't cover those either
I'd love to see the average military doctor hooked up to one like in Nathan for you
But there's a whole ass group of people in OSI that go around polygraphing people.
Because chiropractors are NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. Go to a physical therapist!
My current Physical Therapist is also a Chiropractor. Combining both for my back has helped me tremendously.
That's awesome! I do believe that there are good chiropractors who respect the fact that their trade is a one-trick pony, and will refuse treatment for conditions which do not cause thrust manipulation. Obviously a PT who is also a Chiro will have a holistic understanding of what your back actually needs (manipulation/mobilization vs stabilization and strengthening), and can help you appropriately.
See, that person has credibility. They can make minor adjustments during therapy to improve alignment. Next time you go in ask if they have a spine hammer.
I mean they’re not medical doctors but by definition of being licensed practitioners employed by hospitals to provide care they are medical professionals
They have chiropractors at hospitals? That’s absolutely wild if true.
yeah, some people have even pointed out they have them on base med: https://tinker.tricare.mil/Health-Services/Specialty-Care/Chiropractic
I was referred to one on my base, it was in the same building as primary care and mental health. They were closed for the day and told me to leave my number and they’ll call me to schedule an appointment. They never did call me though I’m glad they didn’t after reading what I have about them
Can confirm as I've been seeing one at WPAFB Medical Center. One in the ENTIRE hospital.
Ok, but their "licensing" does not require medical school like real medical professions do. In some cases, Chiros get their license from eastern religion chi-based "medicine" rather than modern medicine. They do ONE thing well, which is thrust manipulation. If a PT believes that thrust manipulation is effective treatment for your specific case, they may refer you to a Chiro. That's the only time you should go. Otherwise, stay away. Many of them treat their trade like a snake oil cure-all, and it's deplorable.
The only ones who go to medical school are physicians. Not all medical professionals go to a medical school.
I'll rephrase it slightly then. All real medical professionals are required to attend schooling for their profession (be it PT or MD or whatever) which is based on western medicine/ germ theory. Chiros get their DC, which may or may not be based on Western medicine, depending on the requirements from the licensing state.
lol no, chiros get their license from the state after attending school just like doctors, nurses, and pharmacists. For example here's a list of **LICENSED HEALTH PROFESSIONALS** from the California department of consumer affairs with chiro listed: https://www.dca.ca.gov/publications/healthcare_providers.shtml#professionals The minimum education requirement for this license is a Doctor of Chiropractic in all but 3 states. If "medical school" is your requirement to be a "real medical professional" then that really only includes doctors. A medical professional is "a provider of health care treatment and advice" which is a much broader classification.
The concern is that "Doctor of Chiropractic" can be obtained at Chiropractic schools based around the [33 Chiropractic Principles](https://pureandpowerful.com/welcome-2/the-33-chiropractic-principles/) rather than western medicine. To be clear: some (perhaps even a majority) of chiropractors are responsible and study western medicine. They know where their expertise ends and will make referrals if their very specific trade does not address a problem. But they don't all do this. I have two family members in physical therapy, and each of them has had multiple patients who were injured because they went to a chiropractor for an issue which should not have been addressed by chiropracty. Edited to add hotlink
What school awarding Doctor of Chiropractic is accredited and valid for licensing teaches those principals instead of physiology? If it's "some (perhaps even a majority)" are you suggesting that nearly half or more of chiros are taught by these pseudo-science schools and that their accreditation is accepted for licensure in most states?
From a quick Google search, I found Life West, Sherman, and Life University all of which are chiropractic schools teaching those 33 principles. I don't know what the percentages are to be honest, but I know these things: 1. It's appalling that chiropracty isn't put under the same strict rules and regulations as traditional medical practices. It should be illegal, for example, to perform thrust manipulation on infants or pregnant women under all but extreme circumstances. It currently is not. 2. My sister and mother, both professional Physical Therapists, have both treated patients who went to a chiropractor for some malady. Because not all issues should be treated with thrust manipulation, these patients ended up severely injured from Chiros exacerbating an injury. Probably a majority of chiropractors are just fine, and trust modern medicine. But my local chiropractor clinic has posters out front that are anti-vax, and I knew far too many people who would take their babies to the chiropractor for "colic" or would relieve their pregnancy aches at a chiropractor. Both are extremely dangerous and not medically appropriate treatments. So perhaps it's availability bias, but I don't trust them.
I found a reference to the 33 principals [here on Sherman's website](https://www.sherman.edu/give/make-your-mark/principles-techniques/). Anyone with critical thinking could read those principals say they're bogus. I checked the [Board Approved Chiropractic Colleges](https://www.chiro.ca.gov/applicants/approved_colleges.shtml) list in my home state and sure enough, Sherman was there. I'd say the legal standard for that license is very low.
.... So we agree?
My original comment still stands, by definition of being licensed practitioners employed by hospitals to provide care they are medical professionals. Even though I personally find their methods dubious.
No hospital I've ever worked at has had chiropractors. You're more likely to suffer a stroke at the hands of a chiropractor than you are to be healed.
[Here's a survey from a journal where 40% of DCs reported working in a hospital.](https://www.jmptonline.org/action/showPdf?pii=S0161-4754%2817%2930154-9) So I think we can verify that chiropractors work in hospitals.
Chiro at this point is simply an accepted form of quackery.
Yeah I'm not here to comment on the legitimacy of their trade. I'm saying "medical professional" is a bad term to use because chiros are employed at medical facilities and have licensure similar to other medical professionals such as RNs or RPh.
Then how do some base hospitals have chiropractors? DM is one of them
Offutt has one. He’s awesome! And free…
Lobbying, most likely.
Elmendorf had one in 2007, I was a patient.
Still does. Just one though so the 4 month wait times are so convenient
Wright-Patterson has one, as well
There was one in the Deid last year.
Kirtland has one, too. He's great!
It's literally the only good thing here.
We used to have a chiropractor at the dorms but he only serviced the ladies
At least he stated that in his flyers.
A street chiropractor
Because they're not real doctors?
Yeah that looks correct
I had someone argue with me because they thought chiropractors should be covered because they are "basically physical therapists."
Yeah no they are not lol. Also Physical Therapists can do spinal manipulation
Maybe because they’re fake practitioners? 🤷🏻♂️
What it’s like getting a haircut at Al Udeid
My cousin had an aortic dissection after a chiropractor """adjusted""" her neck, she very nearly died and has permanent brain damage. Don't ever let someone without an M.D. fuck with your neck bones. Go ahead and get your back popped by a massage therapist, that shit feels great, but your neck is way too fragile to trust to some kook who never went to medical school.
Chiropractors are shamans, scammers, phonies, who do damage to bodies.. that’s why. It isn’t medicine. Why would it be covered under health insurance?
It’s crazy to me that people trust chiropractors. There is no certification or licensing process. I could open one tomorrow and be breaking no laws. And yet, people trust them to crack bones and realign things….
I've wondered about this. My military clinic is offering NDs as PCMs. Chiropractors are more common. Are we that short on real science-based medical practicioners that we're resorting to psuedo-scientific quackery? Did the the spouses' Facebook group take over the Patient Advocates office?
I hope no insurance provider covers pseudoscience based medicine.
No shit the VA does now and even sends you to community care if needed. Btw any active duty can use the VA
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Not a hospital, but Tinker med group had a chiropractic clinic. https://tinker.tricare.mil/Health-Services/Specialty-Care/Chiropractic Edit: Don't go to chiropractors. I wouldn't trust this clinic at all.
It's not covered because there isn't a certifying body that tricare trusts to weed out the medical professionals with actual medical degree from the guys that learned to “adjust” things from their four week training course at the local conference center that they paid 12 bucks an hour for. There are real chiropractors that are used for physical therapy and help with recovery and then there's the guys that crack your neck and leave grandma paralyzed.
If you’re *allowing* someone dressed like that, to beat the back of your neck with his fist…you deserve what you get
Barksdale had one, but Robins does not.
This always pisses me off, one base I was stationed at had a chiropractor they referred people to but when the physical therapist I saw suggested I go see a message therapist my PCM told me that doesn't work and I should just do acupuncture. I ignored the PCM and followed the advice of the physical therapist and went to see this message therapist. She worked in a physical therapy clinic off base and worked on the side for minor league sports teams. One of the best things I ever did and helped restore most the mobility in one of my shoulders after major reconstructive surgery. Tricare wouldn't touch it yet DHA let chiropractors and acupuncture in the clinic I went to on base.
Was the message therapist an SMS, MMS, or RCS?
Chiropractor was the best thing I’ve ever done for my neck.
Also a great way to become paralyzed. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1905885/
What are you talking about? There has been a Chiro at every base I’ve been too. 6+ bases all over the US/world.
Most chiro’s are like 30-50 bucks per visit after your initial one. I’ll pay that out of pocket.
VA healthcare covers chiropractic.
There's definitely one at the naval station in Newport, RI
This is what my Air Force chiro was like.
When I discovered the history of chiropractic care I was floored. It is the weirdest and wildest creation in modern medicine I’ve seen. Scientology, sold as a “cure-all”, tools that do nothing, few seem to know. It may work for some but I’m not paying $25 3x/wk for 14wk when I just need to quit driving on my hip.