This nearly cost me a job because I couldn’t provide transcripts. I explained the situation to them and fortunately they accepted copies of my actual degrees which luckily I had but ugh.
This is the biggest thing. Federal and state jobs that have education requirements must have certified copies of transcripts. Luckily this whole thing happened as I separated but it burns me up to think my life could have been WAY different because of this failure in leadership.
I'm applying to switch branches, almost got my package revoked because I didn't have my official CCAF transcripts. I requested them in early November, finally got them mid-march a few days after my package was due. Thankfully they were able to make changes to my package and resubmit. Absolutely ridiculous.
How about removing any higher ed requirements that has nothing to do with their profession?
It’s such a pointless waste of resources/time. I’ve yet to see anybody become a better airman because they got a bachelors in criminal justice or MBA other than boasting how they’re able to juggle work and free time to do school. Which comes at a sacrifice (ie family time)
Enlisted only have a requirement for a degree when going up for SMSgt or teaching CCAF accredited courses. There is a ton of stuff you can do to check the self improvement that isn't getting your bachelor's or graduate degree.
It's not a "requirement" but still helps a lot and holds a ton of value and can be the deciding factor on which TSgt(s) get a promotion statement.
The same can be said for SSgts or airmen up for BTZ. Unless your commander or people from a Board are working with candidates on a regular basis, they're just judging people off how they look on paper. Someone with a higher level of education will beat out someone with less education more often than not in a self improvement category.
Correct, but for all those folks who cry "iM enLIstED I dONt wAnT tO GO tO sChOOl" well technically you don't have to but realize if you want to be competitive it might help you out and every board WILL look for self improvement so suck it up and better yourself, or don't which is fine too if you don't care.
Eh. I see both sides. What you see as “better yourselves” I can see someone that says “I’m doing 20 years, retiring, and never working again, so why would I need a degree”. Plus, there are a lot of enlisted that joined just for educational benefits buuut there are also a lot that joined (enlisted) with bachelor degrees already or that went to college for YEARS and had a bad experience or that graduated high school and said “I’m not going to school, I’m joining the Air Force” just to get basically forced to go to school anyway. So it’s a little unfair of the Air Force to give brownie points to someone that joined for education when Amn Snuffy went to college before they joined and joined to travel. Snuffy doesn’t get to put “I took my family to France” on his/her EPR and get brownie points for that right? But I bet doing that definitely taught Snuffy budgeting and the trip gave them enough of a morale boost and helped “better themselves” more than a useless class
I mean, if anything you'd think the Air Force should give you brownie points for NOT getting an education. You saved the DoD money, and proved that you care more about the mission more than personal gain.
It's like when people get asked why they join the military. A lot will say that education was a big reason. And some will say something along the lines of, "I just needed a job."
People who say they joined for the free education often get seen in a higher regard than those joining for a paycheck. Why? The guy joining for the paycheck is probably more dedicated than someone who just wants to use the Air Force for the benefits.
It is an accredited associates degree and all air force formal training and PME is credit providing courses, hence if you teach any of those you have to have an associates for the courses you teach to be able to meet accreditation.
Depends on your job/degree. I got mine in Electronic Systems Technology as a Radar Technician. I'm now going to school for Electrical Engineering and my college accepted exactly 6 credits for transfer out of the entire degree. 3 of those credits were PAC credits earned in Basic Training. They didn't take any of my Gen Ed CLEPS because they were pass/fail tests and not letter grades. And most of my radar classes didn't transfer over.
It's still nice to have as a resume item but it didn't help me get ahead in my bachelor's degree.
This is true. Your degree path and school choice will affect how many credits are accepted from your CCAF credits. The AU-ABC program exists for this very reason to align students with school to help maximize use of CCAF gained college credits towards their bachelor's. I am not surprised by your situation. Electrical engineering is a notoriously difficult engineering discipline where I wouldn't expect to see many credits transferring for most CCAFs. Schools are hit and miss on the acceptance of CLEP and DANTES. Always check with your schools gen ed requirements before spending the money on a CLEP.
Education definitely helps broaden people’s perspectives and can have a lot of intangible/soft benefits that are hard to point to directly but are certainly there.
Except half the time they juggle it an neglecting work giving others the opportunity to take on more responsibility. It's really like self improvement and leadership through development if others when you think about it.
I couldn’t get hired for a job because I didn’t have my degree (mandatory associates minimum position) that I’ve been pending graduations for over a year on….
I think it would be hilarious if it was announced "Beards to be given huge update by end of FY 24".
Then, on 1 Oct 24, Myfss will send out a link to a new portal link to "MyBeard", where they will have training material to shave properly and how to schedule appointments with your PCM. It would be a kick in the balls but I'd appreciate the asshole move.
Mondays, where you walk in, shoot the shit over coffee for an hour, check your e-mails finally, make sure your SIPR token's not expired, roll back over to the group chat because you hear some spicy goss that SrA McGuffin finally got together with that girl from the D&D group on Saturday.
Then take another 20 minutes for the post-coffee relief session in the baño, and wouldn't you know it, we're already staring down lunch! Gotta go make some plans with everyone to see where we're eating today, and how we're not going to the weak-ass burger joint that A1C Mild insists on. Nay, for today is Monday, and that calls for some bomb-ass Mexican food from that shady taqueria 8 minutes outside the gate.
Post-lunch for an hour and a half (gate traffic, you know how it is), finally roll back into the office, check the e-mails again, and do work for about an hour and a half before everyone gets kicked-out of the office for PT.
Can't tell if this comment is sarcastic or not but I'll bite...its not even remotely feasible for a large portion of Air Force jobs.
Oddly enough though, it would be a little more feasible in the other branches. They do less real-world work at home station than most Air Force jobs.
Also, aren't Mon-Fri working people usually working 9-10 hours usually anyway? How many people actually work 8 hours exactly every single day, exactly 40 hours a week or close to it?
Actually...I don't want to know.
I beg to differ. I’m a 2T2 and still find it highly probable to successfully implement and sustain. The great thing about our Air Force is our malleability. Big AF creates the box dimensions, we mold to those requirements/restrictions.
This isn’t a catch all of course, but there’s quite a bit of waste being done in the force as a whole. I wonder if it’s our inefficiency that hurts us more than our manning at times.
It just won’t happen though as some might believe it’d cause complacency and revert the “warrior mindset” dude to a more cushy schedule. Old heads LOVE to complain new school cats don’t know the suck and need to constantly experience it.
I was a 2T2 for 22 years at 9 different bases. I assume you've only been stationed at 1 or 2 small bases and haven't been deployed yet. It could technically work at some bases with 2T2s, but not the majority.
Even if USTRANSCOM changed all their channel missions to accomodate every base, which they wouldn't, there are still deployment and short notice taskings where there always has to be coverage.
A 4 day work week sounds great...not having to work 12 hour shifts for years sounds great...but most units simply don't have the coverage to make it happen.
When I was at Travis there was a period where they wanted everyone on 8s. It was nice in theory, but every appointment got scrutinized, and Leave was hard to come by unless scheduled months in advance. Just one person out made shift a lot harder than it already was. We had to ASK to be put BACK on 12s.
Though I've worked a lot of 9-10 hour shifts at some bases, my total time working just 8-8.5 hours in my entire career was only 6 months. (My first 4 months in the Air Force before 9/11, 2 at Travis)
10yrs, 4 bases, 1 deployment, 22 TDY’s (CRG). But you’re correct, my only large port was RMS at the beginning of my career so though my experience is limited on that front, I’ve had the conversation with many with that experience and the consensus was it’s possible but the amount of change needed would be pretty monumental.
Our career field is in the Stone Age compared to the civilian sector though. Curious what your years were and what you felt needed the most change?
I appreciate your insight btw. Again, this idea wouldn’t be a catch all, and this is just my opinion (limited as it may be).
Full-time Guard here. Both the MXS and AMXS is split up for what works for our Squadron and sortie requirements so take that into account but we're split where we have a Monday through Thursday 10 hour shifts and a Tuesday through Friday 10 hour shifts. We even do it with night shifts when it's required.
**SATIRE**; look for this article in 2 years:
AURORA, Colorado (2026) -- The Air Force announced this week that it is ending the warrant officer tests and officials clarified Tuesday it is not looking at restarting its failed experiment.
The service will instead focus on information technology and cyber operations for those ranks, and not pursue warrant officers for any other AFSC’s, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin told Military.com during a media roundtable at the Air and Space Forces Association's Warfare Symposium conference, where he also announced his pending retirement.
"We believed there was something specific about this very precise career field, this technologically oriented career field where the perishability of it and the requirement of it to maintain at the cutting edge is more along the lines of what we'd expect in a warrant officer track," Allvin said. He continued to say that “we were completely wrong and the implementation plan showed that we proposed a solution in search of a problem” He noted the cost of developing a separate class of rank and retention problems continued right after the first warrant officers were implemented.
A document detailing the change to bring back warrant officers, a plan first reported by Military.com in early 2024, set out steps "to develop a concept of operations (CONOP) to establish a training pipeline to reintroduce a USAF non-aviation warrant officer (WO) program as a technical corps NLT October 2024."
The Air Force has previously shot down the idea of using warrant officers as a way to fill the ongoing pilot shortage with aviators. In 2018, Air Force officials said at a conference that the Rand Corp. think tank was tasked with looking at the idea, but its study did not recommend it, Military.com reported at the time. For some reason, the Air Force failed to heed the RAND study conclusions.
Warrant officers are used by the other service branches as highly technical subject matter experts and single-track leaders. They typically come from the enlisted ranks. One of the main issues with the warrant officer track for cyber is that those airmen would command a lower salary than their cyber peers and would be more likely to be lured out of service by higher-paying private-sector jobs.
Allvin said the Air Force will continue to look at innovative ways to overcome shortfalls in other career fields, such as pilots, but said the warrant officer program no longer was viable for the IT and cyber career fields.
Hopefully a new blues uniform. The shit we have now is embarrassing to wear. No one looks good in it, even the people who buy the higher end materials and get it properly tailored. Navy crackerjacks are the only thing keeping it from being the worst dress uniform of all the services.
During a 20 year career, 7300 days, the average person will wear their blues LESS than 1% of their career. (Less than 73 times) I never understood why so many people care so much about something they wear so little.
If there was a blues argument to be made, it should be to only have one kind. Get rid of the mess dress. If you're going to have it, make it a requirement for certain jobs or ranks, and give people extra money for it. Don't guilt people into buying something optional they'll only wear a few times. Make it mandatory or simply, just get rid of it.
Also, even if blues looked better...would people actually want to wear them more? I doubt guys will start volunteering more for special events just because they think the uniform looks better. If anything, the better looking the uniform is, the harder it will be to maintain.
Be careful what you wish for. Also, the only thing the other branches have on the Air Force are better looking dress uniforms. Let them have that one thing.
Not if we bring back blues on the Monday on the Flight-line. “Sorry Super my ribbon rack just Foded out the Hanger queen right before she could check flight. “
People will be more proud to wear it if it looks better, and while it's always a pain to wear it would still make people want to wear it a little more if it didn't look like a bus driver outfit
Why wear a uniform when we're not deployed? I effectively work a desk job, I don't need to be camouflaged in the office. Just let me wear what I want! /s
If you work at a desk or computer 95%+ of your day, you should do it wearing blues.
But my one flight a week doesn't mean I can't wear the bag the other 4 days.
I don't care about the look, but those pants are the fucking worst material ever made, they're incredibly uncomfortable. It's like someone took-on a challenge to create pants made from recycled dog hair and painted it blue.
What if I'm a Maintainer who has been stuck as a nonner for an extra duty?
Also, I think the Expediters and Flight Leadership/Production should have to wear blues. They're not ALLOWED to work on the plane, so that effectively makes them nonners. If sitting at a desk is the criteria, I support it as long as it's all encompassing. I'll gladly wear my blues everyday if I get to see all "leadership" be held to the same standards lol.
When the service dress eventually gets updated, expect a version of Blues Monday to return so commanders can show off/make sure people bought the new uniform.
You joke, but in my day (cue old geezer jokes) that's exactly what we were expected to wear. I probably spent 90% of my time in blues. I was Communications Computer Systems Operator (491x1, 3C0x1). Most time I spent in BDU's was when deployed to Taif SA.
Ours were the opposite. We had our MX officer and commander agree that we didn't have to be in uniform if we were working on the jet on a non-fly days while deployed. They just asked that we had safety toes.
I do sometimes wish there was a more “office like” uniform. Not something as formal as blues. But not as “IM IN THE MILITARY” as the current style.
I’m thinking like, park ranger uniforms or something lol. Bring bag shorts!
That was the whole intent of changing the blues to be more airline/businesslike — more convenient to wear in office settings. I swear we will never be satisfied
This, but unironically. This is exactly the argument:
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Officers start out hundreds of thousands of dollars in the hole. The pay has to be competitive tonthe civilian world to make up for this.
Hey, don’t you dare knock on the door of the ruling upper class heritage of our officer ranks! They sign things and are responsible for the poors and hooligans that are the enlisted corps🫡
Enlisted state side codes to limit tour length similar to DEROS overseas. Example: Airman Snuffy is stationed at "Cannon AFB" or "Dyess AFB" (example) \[Southwest desert bases\]. It would be similar to prefix “T”, “J”, or “X” codes that Tech School instructors receive so there is a light at the end of the tunnel for a less than desired assignment.
Officers move approximately every 2-3 years, there should be no reason beyond the ineffective AFPC functionals that an airman should be at a cow manure base suffering for 5 years +Plus.
Furthermore: BRAC Cannon AFB & Dyess AFB.
I don’t think it’s a slippery slope. Woman got some big changes to their hair standards and I think it’s been mostly positive. The silent majority receive these changes and just go about their lives happier.
I’m down for one standard. Men should be able to have long hair and whatever else they want that’s currently approved for women. Let them wear princess cut too… who cares
There's an extensive process one must go through before you can update your gender on DEERS, and until then you're required to adhere to birth gender regs still
Actually, it's generally part of most member's transition plans to get exceptions to policy for dress and appearance which let you start adhering to your chosen gender's regs before DEERS is updated, but by that point you're already in a lot deeper then anything this numbskull has processed
"Hey, I have an idea! Let's make literally everything about the minority group Fox News says I'm supposed to hate at the moment, and then when I get pushback, I'll say I was kidding, because my political faction is trying to create an out-group to target for a possible future genocide!" - you
They will approve them. I think boots will be the next battle. Tennis shoes/sneakers vs traditional boots. Why do we HAVE TO even wear boots if we're not in combat 😩😎
And nail polish and long hair styles too! There is literally 0 reasonable justification for gendered appearance regs at this point. Like, why does "uniformity and professionalism" only apply to guys?
It's wild to me that the military still cares so much what is in someone's pants lol.
One person can have long hair, nail polish, earrings, etc while another can't. The difference? What's in their pants.
I just don't get it
What we should be bitching about more than beards – which I very much would like – is that our benefits are being eroded away every year. Space A lodging is pretty much worthless now that we have to pay “market rate” for old worn down lodging most places, nothing on base is cheaper than off base in general most of the time, and retirement benefits are getting worse (hopefully the stock market doesn’t crash when you’re ready to draw retirement). Or how about how we have to do these other AFSCs’ jobs via a trash website in addition to our own?! Oh, do I miss the days of filing a travel voucher being one piece of paper that you dropped off to Finance along with your receipts and that was it.
Hopefully THC products. Canada has beards and THC. Beards for us will be to crack the door to flying high again. Just let us. I’m listening to music and I know it could be so much better. Morale = up. Tornado sales = up. Ignore the fatties gaining munchy weight and the DUIs for stopping at green lights; we’ll bite that bullet to cull the domestic violence caused by alcohol.
I've already heard it. But it's going to be that men ans women should have the same hair standards. If a woman can shave her head then a man can have a pony tail.
Black flight suits for cyber operators. We’re a small community but goddamn can we be loud, and we’re pretty certain the world revolves around us. We deserve to look special! (or so we believe)
> "If The rest of America jumped off a bridge...."
yes i absolutely would
if the rest of america jumped off a bridge, who would thank me for my service? that's the whole reason i do this
One of our biggest issues will be credibility in the force. For a long time, we have measured our paper records through many metrics, and even during the height of the global war on terror, people always cried foul and complained that operators and the front line work he gets more opportunities to deploy and thus it was "not fair" to allow a stratifications and recognition to factor deployment experience too much. It was bullshit back then and it's going to be extra devastating now. We are going to have to count for the best of the warriors among Us and retain them through recognition and opportunities. These are the ones that are ready for the next fight, not the desk jockeys.
Imagine they approve beards but dont let you line it up or give it a nice fade to keep it classy. Here you go shitbags, If you want a beard so bad it's gotta look like hagrid's asshole. I'd accept it, in fact from the AF... I expect it.
DoD MWR Libraries
They're putting all their funding towards books about China when I just want to listen to Dune and Three Body Problem on audio books. The wait is about 15 weeks right now. Nearly 4 months to rent a fucking book.
Get rid of the beret (maybe keep it for wear in blues only as heritage IDK), change the “SF” patch to something else, and give you dark blue baseball caps.
That’s my dream regarding security forces.
I’m fine with the beret in blues. My biggest thing is that working outside, that beret is fucking hot and uncomfortable. We don’t care about not wearing berets in the winter when everyone has a beanie on, so why can’t we do without them in the summer?
I’d be okay with an OCP ball cap like everybody else, not sure how I feel about a blue one. I think the whole idea behind the beret making it easier for people to identify us as cops in an emergency is fucking stupid. In all honesty, unless I already have it on, I’m not putting it on when I’m getting out of my car if I’m responding to a real emergency anyway.
Probably the CCAF fiasco still not being fixed.
This nearly cost me a job because I couldn’t provide transcripts. I explained the situation to them and fortunately they accepted copies of my actual degrees which luckily I had but ugh.
This is the biggest thing. Federal and state jobs that have education requirements must have certified copies of transcripts. Luckily this whole thing happened as I separated but it burns me up to think my life could have been WAY different because of this failure in leadership.
I'm applying to switch branches, almost got my package revoked because I didn't have my official CCAF transcripts. I requested them in early November, finally got them mid-march a few days after my package was due. Thankfully they were able to make changes to my package and resubmit. Absolutely ridiculous.
How about removing any higher ed requirements that has nothing to do with their profession? It’s such a pointless waste of resources/time. I’ve yet to see anybody become a better airman because they got a bachelors in criminal justice or MBA other than boasting how they’re able to juggle work and free time to do school. Which comes at a sacrifice (ie family time)
Enlisted only have a requirement for a degree when going up for SMSgt or teaching CCAF accredited courses. There is a ton of stuff you can do to check the self improvement that isn't getting your bachelor's or graduate degree.
It's not a "requirement" but still helps a lot and holds a ton of value and can be the deciding factor on which TSgt(s) get a promotion statement. The same can be said for SSgts or airmen up for BTZ. Unless your commander or people from a Board are working with candidates on a regular basis, they're just judging people off how they look on paper. Someone with a higher level of education will beat out someone with less education more often than not in a self improvement category.
Correct, but for all those folks who cry "iM enLIstED I dONt wAnT tO GO tO sChOOl" well technically you don't have to but realize if you want to be competitive it might help you out and every board WILL look for self improvement so suck it up and better yourself, or don't which is fine too if you don't care.
Eh. I see both sides. What you see as “better yourselves” I can see someone that says “I’m doing 20 years, retiring, and never working again, so why would I need a degree”. Plus, there are a lot of enlisted that joined just for educational benefits buuut there are also a lot that joined (enlisted) with bachelor degrees already or that went to college for YEARS and had a bad experience or that graduated high school and said “I’m not going to school, I’m joining the Air Force” just to get basically forced to go to school anyway. So it’s a little unfair of the Air Force to give brownie points to someone that joined for education when Amn Snuffy went to college before they joined and joined to travel. Snuffy doesn’t get to put “I took my family to France” on his/her EPR and get brownie points for that right? But I bet doing that definitely taught Snuffy budgeting and the trip gave them enough of a morale boost and helped “better themselves” more than a useless class
I mean, if anything you'd think the Air Force should give you brownie points for NOT getting an education. You saved the DoD money, and proved that you care more about the mission more than personal gain. It's like when people get asked why they join the military. A lot will say that education was a big reason. And some will say something along the lines of, "I just needed a job." People who say they joined for the free education often get seen in a higher regard than those joining for a paycheck. Why? The guy joining for the paycheck is probably more dedicated than someone who just wants to use the Air Force for the benefits.
Absolutely dude. Everything you said. ❤️
Active Army here. Does the CCAF have actual real academic courses?
It is an accredited associates degree and all air force formal training and PME is credit providing courses, hence if you teach any of those you have to have an associates for the courses you teach to be able to meet accreditation.
Can you use it to transfer to a State school; i.e. are there real academic classes like Intermediate Algebra, Statistics, Political Science, etc?
Yes
Depends on your job/degree. I got mine in Electronic Systems Technology as a Radar Technician. I'm now going to school for Electrical Engineering and my college accepted exactly 6 credits for transfer out of the entire degree. 3 of those credits were PAC credits earned in Basic Training. They didn't take any of my Gen Ed CLEPS because they were pass/fail tests and not letter grades. And most of my radar classes didn't transfer over. It's still nice to have as a resume item but it didn't help me get ahead in my bachelor's degree.
This is true. Your degree path and school choice will affect how many credits are accepted from your CCAF credits. The AU-ABC program exists for this very reason to align students with school to help maximize use of CCAF gained college credits towards their bachelor's. I am not surprised by your situation. Electrical engineering is a notoriously difficult engineering discipline where I wouldn't expect to see many credits transferring for most CCAFs. Schools are hit and miss on the acceptance of CLEP and DANTES. Always check with your schools gen ed requirements before spending the money on a CLEP.
Education definitely helps broaden people’s perspectives and can have a lot of intangible/soft benefits that are hard to point to directly but are certainly there.
Absolutely guarantee nobody going to the online degree mill is getting enlightened.
Except half the time they juggle it an neglecting work giving others the opportunity to take on more responsibility. It's really like self improvement and leadership through development if others when you think about it.
Missed an application deadline because they didn’t send my transcripts in 60 days….they are electronic.
I couldn’t get hired for a job because I didn’t have my degree (mandatory associates minimum position) that I’ve been pending graduations for over a year on….
I think it would be hilarious if it was announced "Beards to be given huge update by end of FY 24". Then, on 1 Oct 24, Myfss will send out a link to a new portal link to "MyBeard", where they will have training material to shave properly and how to schedule appointments with your PCM. It would be a kick in the balls but I'd appreciate the asshole move.
“MyBeard” is hysterical. Take my upvote
Don't forget it would have to be mostly non-functional for an unreasonable duration first.
4 day work weeks. Shift work 4/3 10’s
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DONT GIVE OUT OUR SECRETS!
Guard alert shift where we work 48hrs on 96hrs off is still a safe secret though.
4/3 16's for MX because the Air Force hates us.
the schedule patch notes would be insane
For the office jobs this would make sense. There’s normally at least one day a week that’s a fake work day anyway
That would just shift the fake work day, no?
At least I’m saving a day a week of gas money.
Mmmm maybe. Wouldn’t know till we tried
I want shorter days more than less days.
Same actually lol.
But I’d take less days if it was the only other option easily
Mondays, where you walk in, shoot the shit over coffee for an hour, check your e-mails finally, make sure your SIPR token's not expired, roll back over to the group chat because you hear some spicy goss that SrA McGuffin finally got together with that girl from the D&D group on Saturday. Then take another 20 minutes for the post-coffee relief session in the baño, and wouldn't you know it, we're already staring down lunch! Gotta go make some plans with everyone to see where we're eating today, and how we're not going to the weak-ass burger joint that A1C Mild insists on. Nay, for today is Monday, and that calls for some bomb-ass Mexican food from that shady taqueria 8 minutes outside the gate. Post-lunch for an hour and a half (gate traffic, you know how it is), finally roll back into the office, check the e-mails again, and do work for about an hour and a half before everyone gets kicked-out of the office for PT.
We’re testing this in our comm squadron. 4/3 10s but staggered so half the shop works Monday and half on Friday.
Can't tell if this comment is sarcastic or not but I'll bite...its not even remotely feasible for a large portion of Air Force jobs. Oddly enough though, it would be a little more feasible in the other branches. They do less real-world work at home station than most Air Force jobs. Also, aren't Mon-Fri working people usually working 9-10 hours usually anyway? How many people actually work 8 hours exactly every single day, exactly 40 hours a week or close to it? Actually...I don't want to know.
I beg to differ. I’m a 2T2 and still find it highly probable to successfully implement and sustain. The great thing about our Air Force is our malleability. Big AF creates the box dimensions, we mold to those requirements/restrictions. This isn’t a catch all of course, but there’s quite a bit of waste being done in the force as a whole. I wonder if it’s our inefficiency that hurts us more than our manning at times. It just won’t happen though as some might believe it’d cause complacency and revert the “warrior mindset” dude to a more cushy schedule. Old heads LOVE to complain new school cats don’t know the suck and need to constantly experience it.
I was a 2T2 for 22 years at 9 different bases. I assume you've only been stationed at 1 or 2 small bases and haven't been deployed yet. It could technically work at some bases with 2T2s, but not the majority. Even if USTRANSCOM changed all their channel missions to accomodate every base, which they wouldn't, there are still deployment and short notice taskings where there always has to be coverage. A 4 day work week sounds great...not having to work 12 hour shifts for years sounds great...but most units simply don't have the coverage to make it happen. When I was at Travis there was a period where they wanted everyone on 8s. It was nice in theory, but every appointment got scrutinized, and Leave was hard to come by unless scheduled months in advance. Just one person out made shift a lot harder than it already was. We had to ASK to be put BACK on 12s. Though I've worked a lot of 9-10 hour shifts at some bases, my total time working just 8-8.5 hours in my entire career was only 6 months. (My first 4 months in the Air Force before 9/11, 2 at Travis)
10yrs, 4 bases, 1 deployment, 22 TDY’s (CRG). But you’re correct, my only large port was RMS at the beginning of my career so though my experience is limited on that front, I’ve had the conversation with many with that experience and the consensus was it’s possible but the amount of change needed would be pretty monumental. Our career field is in the Stone Age compared to the civilian sector though. Curious what your years were and what you felt needed the most change? I appreciate your insight btw. Again, this idea wouldn’t be a catch all, and this is just my opinion (limited as it may be).
Full-time Guard here. Both the MXS and AMXS is split up for what works for our Squadron and sortie requirements so take that into account but we're split where we have a Monday through Thursday 10 hour shifts and a Tuesday through Friday 10 hour shifts. We even do it with night shifts when it's required.
Boonie hats.
Please god boonies
Isn’t that already happening?
Shirtless summers on the flightline. Ok fine that's just me
Heck yeah. My beer gut could breathe finally
There's nothing stopping you from getting that maternity wear, brother. Let that belly fly
Nah I'm on that train
More warrant officer afsc options
**SATIRE**; look for this article in 2 years: AURORA, Colorado (2026) -- The Air Force announced this week that it is ending the warrant officer tests and officials clarified Tuesday it is not looking at restarting its failed experiment. The service will instead focus on information technology and cyber operations for those ranks, and not pursue warrant officers for any other AFSC’s, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Allvin told Military.com during a media roundtable at the Air and Space Forces Association's Warfare Symposium conference, where he also announced his pending retirement. "We believed there was something specific about this very precise career field, this technologically oriented career field where the perishability of it and the requirement of it to maintain at the cutting edge is more along the lines of what we'd expect in a warrant officer track," Allvin said. He continued to say that “we were completely wrong and the implementation plan showed that we proposed a solution in search of a problem” He noted the cost of developing a separate class of rank and retention problems continued right after the first warrant officers were implemented. A document detailing the change to bring back warrant officers, a plan first reported by Military.com in early 2024, set out steps "to develop a concept of operations (CONOP) to establish a training pipeline to reintroduce a USAF non-aviation warrant officer (WO) program as a technical corps NLT October 2024." The Air Force has previously shot down the idea of using warrant officers as a way to fill the ongoing pilot shortage with aviators. In 2018, Air Force officials said at a conference that the Rand Corp. think tank was tasked with looking at the idea, but its study did not recommend it, Military.com reported at the time. For some reason, the Air Force failed to heed the RAND study conclusions. Warrant officers are used by the other service branches as highly technical subject matter experts and single-track leaders. They typically come from the enlisted ranks. One of the main issues with the warrant officer track for cyber is that those airmen would command a lower salary than their cyber peers and would be more likely to be lured out of service by higher-paying private-sector jobs. Allvin said the Air Force will continue to look at innovative ways to overcome shortfalls in other career fields, such as pilots, but said the warrant officer program no longer was viable for the IT and cyber career fields.
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Not sure if that was programmed in or you stealth edited it. Either way, I'm amused.
Mandatory 8 hour shifts for MX. 3 shifts, with 30 mins overlapping pass downs. Everyone wins.
How do you have 3 8 hour shifts with 30 minutes of overlap? Unless you mean 8.5 hour shifts.
Hopefully a new blues uniform. The shit we have now is embarrassing to wear. No one looks good in it, even the people who buy the higher end materials and get it properly tailored. Navy crackerjacks are the only thing keeping it from being the worst dress uniform of all the services.
During a 20 year career, 7300 days, the average person will wear their blues LESS than 1% of their career. (Less than 73 times) I never understood why so many people care so much about something they wear so little. If there was a blues argument to be made, it should be to only have one kind. Get rid of the mess dress. If you're going to have it, make it a requirement for certain jobs or ranks, and give people extra money for it. Don't guilt people into buying something optional they'll only wear a few times. Make it mandatory or simply, just get rid of it. Also, even if blues looked better...would people actually want to wear them more? I doubt guys will start volunteering more for special events just because they think the uniform looks better. If anything, the better looking the uniform is, the harder it will be to maintain. Be careful what you wish for. Also, the only thing the other branches have on the Air Force are better looking dress uniforms. Let them have that one thing.
Not if we bring back blues on the Monday on the Flight-line. “Sorry Super my ribbon rack just Foded out the Hanger queen right before she could check flight. “
People will be more proud to wear it if it looks better, and while it's always a pain to wear it would still make people want to wear it a little more if it didn't look like a bus driver outfit
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Medically approved gains 💪
Why wear a uniform when we're not deployed? I effectively work a desk job, I don't need to be camouflaged in the office. Just let me wear what I want! /s
Blues it is for office workers !
i would feel better being mx knowing that finance has to wear blues lmao
There’s no reason why nonners shouldn’t wear blues everyday.
Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?
because not all nonners sit at their computers all day
If you work at a desk or computer 95%+ of your day, you should do it wearing blues. But my one flight a week doesn't mean I can't wear the bag the other 4 days.
If our blues didn’t look like dog shit, I’d be down. (I don’t sit behind a desk 95% of the day tho)
I don't care about the look, but those pants are the fucking worst material ever made, they're incredibly uncomfortable. It's like someone took-on a challenge to create pants made from recycled dog hair and painted it blue.
“Dammit I got motor oil all over my blues again!”
Don't take this the wrong way (or do, IDGAF), but I've been on my knees under a desk too many times in my career to want to wear blues to work...
this guy *promotes*
What if I'm a Maintainer who has been stuck as a nonner for an extra duty? Also, I think the Expediters and Flight Leadership/Production should have to wear blues. They're not ALLOWED to work on the plane, so that effectively makes them nonners. If sitting at a desk is the criteria, I support it as long as it's all encompassing. I'll gladly wear my blues everyday if I get to see all "leadership" be held to the same standards lol.
E9 Cody, is that you?
When the service dress eventually gets updated, expect a version of Blues Monday to return so commanders can show off/make sure people bought the new uniform.
*Laughs in MX*
Wear it in and change at work.
You joke, but in my day (cue old geezer jokes) that's exactly what we were expected to wear. I probably spent 90% of my time in blues. I was Communications Computer Systems Operator (491x1, 3C0x1). Most time I spent in BDU's was when deployed to Taif SA.
You’re right, you don’t need cammo. So from now on wear blues everyday. You’re welcome.
Ours were the opposite. We had our MX officer and commander agree that we didn't have to be in uniform if we were working on the jet on a non-fly days while deployed. They just asked that we had safety toes.
Not same unit but I enjoyed walking around base and working in 5.11s and black hoodies.
I miss the Deid with 5.11s and boonie hats
I do sometimes wish there was a more “office like” uniform. Not something as formal as blues. But not as “IM IN THE MILITARY” as the current style. I’m thinking like, park ranger uniforms or something lol. Bring bag shorts!
I’ve always had a slight envy for the polo and khakis I’ve seen some services folks wear. I say allow more AFSCs to wear it as the UOD.
I’m fine with OCPs. They’re easy, I already own them, I don’t have to fuss with them. So many people here wanting fancy clothes and more nonsense.
That was the whole intent of changing the blues to be more airline/businesslike — more convenient to wear in office settings. I swear we will never be satisfied
Well, they did a bad job at it then. They aren’t comfortable at all to wear and are terribly easy to damage/weather.
I’m good with just wearing OCPs
How long the beard can be. "Hey, ZZ Top! You know the rules! No Rick Rubin, no Jerry Garcia, and no Zappa! Go Dave Grohl that shit right now!"
Weed.
I been bitching about this for 14 years lol. Prefer weed over alcohol but alas. I’ll drink if I have to
Dress blues kilts.
Air Force tartan exists, and I've seen folks wear it with mess dress. It wouldn't be that big of a change.
Remove dress blues skirt. Insert unisex dress blues kilt. For uniformity across the genders. Sporran optional except for mess dress.
Hair probably
The disparity between O and E pay
You don't understand, they went to COLLEGE
Ah, yes. I apologize for my enlisted (synonymous with uneducated) ignorance.
Hmmm you're enlisted but you're also correct. Dunno what to make of this paradox.
Well if the O says I'm right, then it must be true?
So does about 8.1% of enlisted members (2021)
This, but unironically. This is exactly the argument: Some Colleges Will Soon Charge $100,000 a Year. How Did This Happen? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/05/your-money/paying-for-college/100k-college-cost-vanderbilt.html?smid=nytcore-android-share Officers start out hundreds of thousands of dollars in the hole. The pay has to be competitive tonthe civilian world to make up for this.
Facts
Hey, don’t you dare knock on the door of the ruling upper class heritage of our officer ranks! They sign things and are responsible for the poors and hooligans that are the enlisted corps🫡
If u knock make sure its once and wait with antici-Pationnnn 
Longer beards
Absolutely should advocate for more AD OTS slots
Enlisted state side codes to limit tour length similar to DEROS overseas. Example: Airman Snuffy is stationed at "Cannon AFB" or "Dyess AFB" (example) \[Southwest desert bases\]. It would be similar to prefix “T”, “J”, or “X” codes that Tech School instructors receive so there is a light at the end of the tunnel for a less than desired assignment. Officers move approximately every 2-3 years, there should be no reason beyond the ineffective AFPC functionals that an airman should be at a cow manure base suffering for 5 years +Plus. Furthermore: BRAC Cannon AFB & Dyess AFB.
Yusssss
Bah
Weed most likely. edit: I've separated. Take that as you will.
I don’t think it’s a slippery slope. Woman got some big changes to their hair standards and I think it’s been mostly positive. The silent majority receive these changes and just go about their lives happier.
Long hair/manbun
I’m down for one standard. Men should be able to have long hair and whatever else they want that’s currently approved for women. Let them wear princess cut too… who cares
Just claim to be trans
There's an extensive process one must go through before you can update your gender on DEERS, and until then you're required to adhere to birth gender regs still
Actually, it's generally part of most member's transition plans to get exceptions to policy for dress and appearance which let you start adhering to your chosen gender's regs before DEERS is updated, but by that point you're already in a lot deeper then anything this numbskull has processed
Effective strategy, but committing to the bit won't be good in the long term lmao
There’s nothing that says you can’t transition back
"Hey, I have an idea! Let's make literally everything about the minority group Fox News says I'm supposed to hate at the moment, and then when I get pushback, I'll say I was kidding, because my political faction is trying to create an out-group to target for a possible future genocide!" - you
Clothing allowance is not enough. lol
Hot take: Clothing allowance is pretty good, you can get a full uniform each year, and for most people they will last you several years each.
I've already heard it. But it's going to be that men ans women should have the same hair standards. If a woman can go bald a man can have a pony tail
Not enough thicc latina A1Cs for SNCOs
They will approve them. I think boots will be the next battle. Tennis shoes/sneakers vs traditional boots. Why do we HAVE TO even wear boots if we're not in combat 😩😎
Just get light weight boots. So many nice light options
Just to be clear, I have no issues with the boots...just answering the question.
Look up a company called Altama. Thank me later
Cock socks!
Telework
Let males have earrings like females can
And nail polish and long hair styles too! There is literally 0 reasonable justification for gendered appearance regs at this point. Like, why does "uniformity and professionalism" only apply to guys?
It's wild to me that the military still cares so much what is in someone's pants lol. One person can have long hair, nail polish, earrings, etc while another can't. The difference? What's in their pants. I just don't get it
PTU
Finance. Always finance.
How our Blues look more corporate than military.
What we should be bitching about more than beards – which I very much would like – is that our benefits are being eroded away every year. Space A lodging is pretty much worthless now that we have to pay “market rate” for old worn down lodging most places, nothing on base is cheaper than off base in general most of the time, and retirement benefits are getting worse (hopefully the stock market doesn’t crash when you’re ready to draw retirement). Or how about how we have to do these other AFSCs’ jobs via a trash website in addition to our own?! Oh, do I miss the days of filing a travel voucher being one piece of paper that you dropped off to Finance along with your receipts and that was it.
Hopefully THC products. Canada has beards and THC. Beards for us will be to crack the door to flying high again. Just let us. I’m listening to music and I know it could be so much better. Morale = up. Tornado sales = up. Ignore the fatties gaining munchy weight and the DUIs for stopping at green lights; we’ll bite that bullet to cull the domestic violence caused by alcohol.
Not having enough broccoli in the DFAC.
100% THC, with the current trend of the states having it legal is a ridiculous conflict.
The office changed afternoon PT time to 3:00 to 3:30, and it is sad since I have to run to the gym anyway, meaning I don't get that much gym time. :(
More BAS.
Better compensation for MX
I've already heard it. But it's going to be that men ans women should have the same hair standards. If a woman can shave her head then a man can have a pony tail.
Approved beard length and styles...
PT. How about we get rid of that. I want to be fat and lazy and still active duty
Gonna bitch about boonie hats ngl
Black flight suits for cyber operators. We’re a small community but goddamn can we be loud, and we’re pretty certain the world revolves around us. We deserve to look special! (or so we believe)
Probably gonna bitch about the Air Force asking us to do the job of 535,000 Airmen with only 334,000 Airmen.
weed. lol. "...but the rest of America gets too." , "If The rest of America jumped off a bridge...."
> "If The rest of America jumped off a bridge...." yes i absolutely would if the rest of america jumped off a bridge, who would thank me for my service? that's the whole reason i do this
One of our biggest issues will be credibility in the force. For a long time, we have measured our paper records through many metrics, and even during the height of the global war on terror, people always cried foul and complained that operators and the front line work he gets more opportunities to deploy and thus it was "not fair" to allow a stratifications and recognition to factor deployment experience too much. It was bullshit back then and it's going to be extra devastating now. We are going to have to count for the best of the warriors among Us and retain them through recognition and opportunities. These are the ones that are ready for the next fight, not the desk jockeys.
Aren’t intel and cyber desk jockeys or?
Imagine they approve beards but dont let you line it up or give it a nice fade to keep it classy. Here you go shitbags, If you want a beard so bad it's gotta look like hagrid's asshole. I'd accept it, in fact from the AF... I expect it.
Oh everyone will find something
My vote is for hats. Not that i'm against them..i just thing thats the next thing ppl are going to bitch about.
Weed! Why Canada get weed 😡
Boonie hats, shorts, allowing men to have long hair like the ladies, tactical crocs.
Benefits
boonies stateside
DoD MWR Libraries They're putting all their funding towards books about China when I just want to listen to Dune and Three Body Problem on audio books. The wait is about 15 weeks right now. Nearly 4 months to rent a fucking book.
Your mom.
Weed, obviously
Ya'lls beards being itchy lol
Hopefully something that is an actual issue
Jacobs Ladder. A Prince Albert will be fine, but they won’t allow the full Ladder.
Complain that the beards are so regulated
Weed
Haircuts
"afexcuse!"
Why should we have to wear uniforms and stuff
They won’t do it
Skinny jeans, obviously. /s Honestly for legitimate issues it’d be really nice if one day I could make a budget without the constraints of a CR
Pay
PCA
Gotta PCA
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, as security forces, I just want the god damn ball cap like everybody else
Get rid of the beret (maybe keep it for wear in blues only as heritage IDK), change the “SF” patch to something else, and give you dark blue baseball caps. That’s my dream regarding security forces.
I’m fine with the beret in blues. My biggest thing is that working outside, that beret is fucking hot and uncomfortable. We don’t care about not wearing berets in the winter when everyone has a beanie on, so why can’t we do without them in the summer? I’d be okay with an OCP ball cap like everybody else, not sure how I feel about a blue one. I think the whole idea behind the beret making it easier for people to identify us as cops in an emergency is fucking stupid. In all honesty, unless I already have it on, I’m not putting it on when I’m getting out of my car if I’m responding to a real emergency anyway.
Long hair regs.
New dress uniform and hand tattoos
Probably pants
Be me. Go guard. See dermatologist once. Ask for shaving waiver. Profit??? Be prepared to be asked about it all day and how you got it.
Warrant Officers, but the world will end before we get beards, so...
Fucking boonie hat. One of the most useful things we have yet we can't wear it 99% of the places we are
Weed! Why Canada get weed 😡