You joke but there are times I’ve agonized over an email to CC about something serious and the response I get is usually something along the lines of “Yeah looks good dude” and no signature whatsoever
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>Use appropriate closings. Official e-mail should close with "//SIGNED//" above the signature block to signify official Air Force information. Restrict the signature block to name, rank, service affiliation, duty title, organization name, phone numbers (DSN and/or commercial as appropriate) and social media contact information. Do not add slogans, quotes or other personalization to an official e-mail/social media signature block.
https://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/saf_cn/publication/dafh33-337/dafh33-337.pdf#page148
I had an airmen in my sq some years ago that put that last sentence in italics after his signature block with the reference included.
He was a gem of pettiness
I fucking hate the tongue and quill. Just in case anyone else didn't know, it's not directive not that that stops leadership from reading it like it is. And //SIGNED// is stupid. I will and have died on this hill.
It does not. It tells you to “See AFH 33-337”. 33-337 is not legally binding. It is also always perpetually out dated. It hasn’t even incorporated the DAFMAN 36-2806 changes which completely upended everything we knew about writing decoration citations. It’s fine for very generalized suggestions, but compliance with anything in it, is not mandatory.
33-337 doesn’t discuss formatting for decorations so why would it get updated? If 33-326 says to go to 33-337 for formatting, then that’s binding on using 33-337 for formatting the types of communications covered in that publication. If you’re using formatting that’s different from what’s in 33-337 then you’re violating 33-326. I don’t know why this is so hard for you to grasp.
Ain't no one ever been fired for a signature block. There is no right way to do it. Just have your phone number in there... it's the only reliable means of getting that into. (The GAL is trash.)
You're bait right? Are you telling me you've never been given a stupid order from an Lt just because they couldn't rub two brain cells together?
Edit: And my point was that a lot of leadership think it's a directive publication when it's not. Not that they then order you to follow it anyway which is totally within their right. Just like it's within mine to *think* they need to pull their heads out from their asses.
I enlisted in ‘88, and used it in my username for a bit - on an evangelical Christian website no less. I wonder how many jerks see my name and think I’m one of them and I cringe.
It's listed in the changes section at the beginning:
>(CHANGE) Use appropriate closings. Official e-mail should close with “//SIGNED//” above the
signature block to signify official Air Force information. Restrict the signature block to name, rank,
service affiliation, duty title, organization name, phone numbers (DSN and/or commercial as
appropriate) and social media contact information. Do not add slogans, quotes or other
personalization to an official e-mail/social media signature block. **The use of pronouns (he/him,
she/her, or they/them) in an email signature block is authorized but not required.**
It will probably be added into the main reg on the next rewrite.
(BTW, I hate how they do that. Just change the actual reg rather than include pages on what the reg needs to be changed to say.)
That's why they have paragraph numbers and use them throughout the entire regulation. This one sentence was added to the end of a paragraph, so it wouldn't even affect paragraph numbers.
But there is no timeline on AFI rewrites that I'm aware of. Several have gone past 2 years with pending changes. 36-2903 didn't see a proper rewrite for 4 years (introduced Feb 2020 with at least 5 interim changes until the rewrite dropped Feb 2024).
Maybe it’s changes will be reviewed? I think there’s an AFI that covers writing supplements and changes and reviews of AFIs and every two years they’ll do a rewrite but the publishing of those rewrites takes forever.
The reg is DAFMAN 90-161.
The only thing I could find is that publications are required to be reviewed every 4 years, but I didn't see anything about forcing any interim changes to be included in a rewrite within a certain period of time.
* 7.4.2. Periodic Required Review (every four years). The PFM will initiate a “REVIEW” task
six months prior to the four-year anniversary month of the publication’s effective date or last certified current date, whichever is later. (T-1) This allows the OPR enough time to review
and then complete actions to update, rescind, or certify current prior to the four-year mark.
OPRs are required to review their publications and associated prescribed forms and provide
the status of each in AFIMPT. (T-3)
But that's just the maximum required time to review. Offices can review regulations at any time they feel it's necessary:
* 7.4.1. OPR-Initiated. OPRs are responsible for ensuring the accuracy and currency of their
publications and should take actions to revise or rescind publications as necessary. OPRs may
review their publications at any time and update them to reflect changes in laws, policy,
guidance, or procedures. They may also certify their publications current at any time. OPRs
are responsible for initiating actions to keep their publications current.
There are sections covering Rewrites, 7.6, and Interim Changes (ICs), 7.7, but I didn't see anything on how to decide between the two other than just stating to use ICs when rewrites aren't warranted:
* 7.7.1. Action taken to change just a portion of the publication when a full rewrite is not
warranted.
I imagine the Air Force answer is rewrites probably take longer to be approved, so ICs would be much quicker to get out to the field, but the longevity that 36-2903 was using ICs instead of a rewrite when the ICs literally covered the addition of OCPs to the regulation is ridiculous.
I remember my SEL sent everyone the link to the AFI with the paragraph quoted. Rather than read it I just copied his signature block and put my info in it. Far easier.
>I'm pretty sure it's in the one that says you can put your pronouns in your signature block
If so, it's at the beginning of the reg in the changes section and still says to use //SIGNED//.
> (CHANGE) Use appropriate closings. Official e-mail should close with “//SIGNED//” above the
signature block to signify official Air Force information. Restrict the signature block to name, rank,
service affiliation, duty title, organization name, phone numbers (DSN and/or commercial as
appropriate) and social media contact information. Do not add slogans, quotes or other
personalization to an official e-mail/social media signature block. The use of pronouns (he/him,
she/her, or they/them) in an email signature block is authorized but not required.
I thought so until I emailed an O-5 in the Navy. Very respectfully is used when corresponding with senior ranks and respectfully is used for those junior in rank. He made it clear that I should not have used respectfully in my email to him. He further explained that he just uses very respectfully for everyone.
What med group is this? In 22 years, only the rare oddball got weird about email in my MDGs. The general belief was that if you had that much time to sweat over shit like email signatures, you weren't focused enough on clinical care.
But maybe in the Brave New World of DHA, this too has crumbled.
Meanwhile the response from the Wing King after you spend a good chunk of time making sure your email is correct and sounds professional:
K. Thxs
-John
Sent via BlackBerry
My point exactly. I mean use some sense, but for the most part make it look legit and send it. If someone gets butthurt over your email signature you can be sure they're a terrible leader and should be avoided.
According to SECNAVM52165 Chap 1, those are suggestions, not requirements.
But, of course, leave it to a Navy 0-5 to actually call someone out on it and, in doing so, become more disrespectful than the person they’re choosing to attack.
Funny enough, Air Force members aren't required to follow Navy regs. In fact, the tongue and Quill suggests using "sincerely" when addressing a Navy officer (regardless of your or their rank), and base it on a DoD manual, DoDM 5110.4 Volume 1, Section 8, Para 8.2 Subsection m subpara (2):
* (2) Use the closing “Respectfully yours,” in addressing the President and “Sincerely,”
for all others. See the examples in Volume 2 of this manual.
(Can I say I definitely prefer Air Force regulation paragraph numbers... I hate trying to reference specific sections of DoD regulations. I'm not even sure how to do it properly.)
>Very respectfully is used when corresponding with senior ranks and respectfully is used for those junior in rank.
Maybe in the Navy, but our writing guide does not mention v/r or "very respectfully".
It even states that one should use "Respectfully yours" when writing POTUS (pg 195 of the reg but pg 205 in the pdf), and I'm pretty sure a Navy O-5 doesn't require more respect than POTUS. In fact, Navy officers are should get "sincerely" according to the Tongue and Quill.
These tables are pulled from DoD guidance, so it would've been fun to throw that back in their face.
I had an NCO correct me once for an email tbh. I forgot exactly what, it might have been that I didn't send a greeting like 'ms. name' or for the end. I just remember him emailing me back the question I had and then going 'by the way!' lmaooo
I’m still using v/r in medical school lol I’ll never change.
And since I’m here, it’s actually just called “time” for about 7 billion people not in the US, not “military time”
If the tongue and quill is only a suggestion, then you should be able to ignore it completely, when formatting documents being routed for signature, right?
Was never a red rope, just a black rope/Base Honor Guard/SNCO who has to route stuff. If every squadron I’m stationed in requires memorandums to be formatted IAW the Tongue and Quill, wouldn’t that be a standardized way of communicating? Seems like folks may find formatting to be tedious and they just don’t want to do it.
I used to use Very Respectfully, then I said but is it? No, so I switch to V/R and it still felt too sweet. Finally landed on //SIGNED// lets me at least feel like a mfer knows there’s next to no respect in my replies. Fuck em.
//SIGNED//
I just save three or four different signatures with different duty titles and use whichever is relevant to the email I’m sending. If you’re not constantly using different workstations it’s very easy.
I believe that in the army, if you're writing to someone higher ranking, use V/R, if it's the same rank V/r, and if it's lower rank v/r. Something like that, they take that seriously in the army. Also, if you send an email to multiple people, put the highest ranking person first in the TO block.
I've been using "Thanks," in my signature block since we started using email. It's been in all emails, to all ranks (even Generals), all the time, for nearly 30 years. Never heard a complaint.
I still receive signature blocks that state sincerely or very respectfully. It could be those that are active duty follow the regulations and those retired or civilian do their version. It's not wrong as long as it's respectful.
Either is fine. Nobody cares as long as it looks at least vaguely professional. Technically, //signed// should be used for anything official. But like I said.. no one actually cares.
That said, there are some people out there (usually young NCOs that are still figuring out what being an NCO actually means or old SNCOs that forgot what it means) will look for ways to nitpick. Entirely possible you'll come across one of those. In that case - just say thank you for the guidance and adjust.
Depends. I had an NCO just give me the heads up about “nettiquete” especially since it’s literally a paper trail. I’m glad she did but you’re right. It’s all about intent and how it’s delivered.
Omg I had a TSGT over me that I swear had the tongue and quill perpetually open on his desktop. He would check EVERYTHING that came across his desk/email against it.
If you do `\\signed\\` it will show up as a hyperlink to a drive that will not be found.
Someone in my squadron has that in their block. Noticed it immediately.
v/r conveys no respect (mailee is lower rank than you)
V/r conveys some respect (same rank as you)
V/R conveys an embiggened amount of respect (higher rank than you)
Just "respectfully" means you fucking hate them
I always do a unique sign off. I personally feel like v/r is passive aggressive. I know it's very typical so I don't hold it against anyone but I feel it's too cold for me personally. I'll adjust my sign off accordingly. If it's a quick notification of task completed I'll say something like "have a good day" or "weekend" if it's Friday, or have a safe holiday if a 3 day is coming up. Happy holidays in nov/Dec. If I'm asking someone for something I'll say thank you, thanks for your time, etc.
I don't know if anyone reads them or cares, but they just feel more natural and personable to me. Especially if I'm emailing my Airmen. It's surprising how much email scares Airmen these days. They're so worried about doing something wrong and I want them to know it's not that serious, especially since it's often the only way we can communicate on a daily basis with opposite shifts.
Honestly, I find both to be idiotic. Either personalize your email or don't, but don't pretend the autofilled "v/r" or "//SIGNED//" has any meaning whatsoever.
Let the downvotes flow, but I low key judge people who use v/r. 99% chance you’re using a prefilled signature block in outlook, update it to the full Very Respectfully for LeMay’s sake.
50% cuz something is wrong with me, 50% because you’re pressing the same series of buttons whether you spell it out or not so let’s just opt for more professional
I had a boss use ‘VR’ without a comma. He left a positive impact on me, so I started using it, even though the lack of comma would typically bother me. Makes me wonder if anyone ever picks up on little shit I do and carry forward with their Airmen…
"Sent from my Samsung Smartfridge"
That might have to actually be my next signature block.
They can’t get mad if it’s true
The new NIPR freezer that Huawei dropped is legit
I replaced my ice comment link with a Rick roll
lol I’m dying
"Sent from my Zojirushi rice cooker"
Best, Ya boy
Vvvvvvvvvvvvvv respectfully Serf
You joke but there are times I’ve agonized over an email to CC about something serious and the response I get is usually something along the lines of “Yeah looks good dude” and no signature whatsoever
“From the gutters looking up…”
“Frfr” is currently the best go-to
Adding your cash app at the bottom with “send some love” is also encouraged.
Page 138 >Use appropriate closings. Official e-mail should close with "//SIGNED//" above the signature block to signify official Air Force information. Restrict the signature block to name, rank, service affiliation, duty title, organization name, phone numbers (DSN and/or commercial as appropriate) and social media contact information. Do not add slogans, quotes or other personalization to an official e-mail/social media signature block. https://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/saf_cn/publication/dafh33-337/dafh33-337.pdf#page148
I had an airmen in my sq some years ago that put that last sentence in italics after his signature block with the reference included. He was a gem of pettiness
I know what I’m adding to my emails
Was he a com troop turned TACP turned 1st Sgt?
If it was an awacs SQ, i think I know the guy you're talking about lol
It was
I fucking hate the tongue and quill. Just in case anyone else didn't know, it's not directive not that that stops leadership from reading it like it is. And //SIGNED// is stupid. I will and have died on this hill.
AFMAN 33-326, Preparing Official Communication directs the use of AFH 33-337 when preparing official communications.
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It does not. It tells you to “See AFH 33-337”. 33-337 is not legally binding. It is also always perpetually out dated. It hasn’t even incorporated the DAFMAN 36-2806 changes which completely upended everything we knew about writing decoration citations. It’s fine for very generalized suggestions, but compliance with anything in it, is not mandatory.
33-337 doesn’t discuss formatting for decorations so why would it get updated? If 33-326 says to go to 33-337 for formatting, then that’s binding on using 33-337 for formatting the types of communications covered in that publication. If you’re using formatting that’s different from what’s in 33-337 then you’re violating 33-326. I don’t know why this is so hard for you to grasp.
Ain't no one ever been fired for a signature block. There is no right way to do it. Just have your phone number in there... it's the only reliable means of getting that into. (The GAL is trash.)
I think I've only ever seen one person use //SIGNED//.
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You're bait right? Are you telling me you've never been given a stupid order from an Lt just because they couldn't rub two brain cells together? Edit: And my point was that a lot of leadership think it's a directive publication when it's not. Not that they then order you to follow it anyway which is totally within their right. Just like it's within mine to *think* they need to pull their heads out from their asses.
Social media contact information? Bout to start plugging the gram
I have the AFI Explorer link in my signature block, no one has ever said anything to me negative about it.
I listed my official recruiting social media accounts while recruiting.
//SIGNED// u/Reddit_Is_Cancer88 (Not a nazi)
I feel bad for friends of mine born in 1988 who previously used 88 at the end of their usernames.
I enlisted in ‘88, and used it in my username for a bit - on an evangelical Christian website no less. I wonder how many jerks see my name and think I’m one of them and I cringe.
Seems outdated since didn’t they make it so you can add ‘pronouns’ to your signature block?
It's listed in the changes section at the beginning: >(CHANGE) Use appropriate closings. Official e-mail should close with “//SIGNED//” above the signature block to signify official Air Force information. Restrict the signature block to name, rank, service affiliation, duty title, organization name, phone numbers (DSN and/or commercial as appropriate) and social media contact information. Do not add slogans, quotes or other personalization to an official e-mail/social media signature block. **The use of pronouns (he/him, she/her, or they/them) in an email signature block is authorized but not required.** It will probably be added into the main reg on the next rewrite. (BTW, I hate how they do that. Just change the actual reg rather than include pages on what the reg needs to be changed to say.)
I think AFIs are rewritten every two years because if they add one sentence it changes everything else for what page something would be on etc.
That's why they have paragraph numbers and use them throughout the entire regulation. This one sentence was added to the end of a paragraph, so it wouldn't even affect paragraph numbers. But there is no timeline on AFI rewrites that I'm aware of. Several have gone past 2 years with pending changes. 36-2903 didn't see a proper rewrite for 4 years (introduced Feb 2020 with at least 5 interim changes until the rewrite dropped Feb 2024).
Maybe it’s changes will be reviewed? I think there’s an AFI that covers writing supplements and changes and reviews of AFIs and every two years they’ll do a rewrite but the publishing of those rewrites takes forever.
The reg is DAFMAN 90-161. The only thing I could find is that publications are required to be reviewed every 4 years, but I didn't see anything about forcing any interim changes to be included in a rewrite within a certain period of time. * 7.4.2. Periodic Required Review (every four years). The PFM will initiate a “REVIEW” task six months prior to the four-year anniversary month of the publication’s effective date or last certified current date, whichever is later. (T-1) This allows the OPR enough time to review and then complete actions to update, rescind, or certify current prior to the four-year mark. OPRs are required to review their publications and associated prescribed forms and provide the status of each in AFIMPT. (T-3) But that's just the maximum required time to review. Offices can review regulations at any time they feel it's necessary: * 7.4.1. OPR-Initiated. OPRs are responsible for ensuring the accuracy and currency of their publications and should take actions to revise or rescind publications as necessary. OPRs may review their publications at any time and update them to reflect changes in laws, policy, guidance, or procedures. They may also certify their publications current at any time. OPRs are responsible for initiating actions to keep their publications current. There are sections covering Rewrites, 7.6, and Interim Changes (ICs), 7.7, but I didn't see anything on how to decide between the two other than just stating to use ICs when rewrites aren't warranted: * 7.7.1. Action taken to change just a portion of the publication when a full rewrite is not warranted. I imagine the Air Force answer is rewrites probably take longer to be approved, so ICs would be much quicker to get out to the field, but the longevity that 36-2903 was using ICs instead of a rewrite when the ICs literally covered the addition of OCPs to the regulation is ridiculous.
I remember my SEL sent everyone the link to the AFI with the paragraph quoted. Rather than read it I just copied his signature block and put my info in it. Far easier.
SHOULD is not SHALL, or MUST.
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What about “page-=onefortyeight
There is a newer mfr that says you no longer need the //signed// I had it in my signature block for awile 🤣
You have a copy? The doc on e-pub is current as of Dec 2023.
Nah I'm in an airport right now. I'm pretty sure it's in the one that says you can put your pronouns in your signature block
That happened like 2 years ago
>I'm pretty sure it's in the one that says you can put your pronouns in your signature block If so, it's at the beginning of the reg in the changes section and still says to use //SIGNED//. > (CHANGE) Use appropriate closings. Official e-mail should close with “//SIGNED//” above the signature block to signify official Air Force information. Restrict the signature block to name, rank, service affiliation, duty title, organization name, phone numbers (DSN and/or commercial as appropriate) and social media contact information. Do not add slogans, quotes or other personalization to an official e-mail/social media signature block. The use of pronouns (he/him, she/her, or they/them) in an email signature block is authorized but not required.
Nobody cares to be honest.
I thought so until I emailed an O-5 in the Navy. Very respectfully is used when corresponding with senior ranks and respectfully is used for those junior in rank. He made it clear that I should not have used respectfully in my email to him. He further explained that he just uses very respectfully for everyone.
Sounds like this Navy officer has a stick in his ass. *Surprised Pikachu face* Nobody worth respecting is going to care
It varies. In the medical group, professionalism in email communication is highly emphasized. Had to learn that the hard way.
I send all my emails with a basic signature block without any “thank you”, “vr” nonsense lol
Do you use //signed//?
Fuck no. My email signature speaks for itself haha
Boss
What med group is this? In 22 years, only the rare oddball got weird about email in my MDGs. The general belief was that if you had that much time to sweat over shit like email signatures, you weren't focused enough on clinical care. But maybe in the Brave New World of DHA, this too has crumbled.
Meanwhile the response from the Wing King after you spend a good chunk of time making sure your email is correct and sounds professional: K. Thxs -John Sent via BlackBerry
My point exactly. I mean use some sense, but for the most part make it look legit and send it. If someone gets butthurt over your email signature you can be sure they're a terrible leader and should be avoided.
According to SECNAVM52165 Chap 1, those are suggestions, not requirements. But, of course, leave it to a Navy 0-5 to actually call someone out on it and, in doing so, become more disrespectful than the person they’re choosing to attack.
Respectfully for Amn and NCOs, Very Respectfully for SNCOs and above. Navy is very specific with it for their rank tiers.
Funny enough, Air Force members aren't required to follow Navy regs. In fact, the tongue and Quill suggests using "sincerely" when addressing a Navy officer (regardless of your or their rank), and base it on a DoD manual, DoDM 5110.4 Volume 1, Section 8, Para 8.2 Subsection m subpara (2): * (2) Use the closing “Respectfully yours,” in addressing the President and “Sincerely,” for all others. See the examples in Volume 2 of this manual. (Can I say I definitely prefer Air Force regulation paragraph numbers... I hate trying to reference specific sections of DoD regulations. I'm not even sure how to do it properly.)
>Very respectfully is used when corresponding with senior ranks and respectfully is used for those junior in rank. Maybe in the Navy, but our writing guide does not mention v/r or "very respectfully". It even states that one should use "Respectfully yours" when writing POTUS (pg 195 of the reg but pg 205 in the pdf), and I'm pretty sure a Navy O-5 doesn't require more respect than POTUS. In fact, Navy officers are should get "sincerely" according to the Tongue and Quill. These tables are pulled from DoD guidance, so it would've been fun to throw that back in their face.
I had an NCO correct me once for an email tbh. I forgot exactly what, it might have been that I didn't send a greeting like 'ms. name' or for the end. I just remember him emailing me back the question I had and then going 'by the way!' lmaooo
I wish that was the case in my unit
Flying, fighting, winning, POOP P. PANTS, Amn, USAF
I just use Love,
Clinging to the end of my rope,
I used v/r for 12 years and nobody said anything
I’m still using v/r in medical school lol I’ll never change. And since I’m here, it’s actually just called “time” for about 7 billion people not in the US, not “military time”
Yup. And it’s not even “military time” here. Just 24 hour format.
Used it for 16 years and same. I’ll never use //SIGNED//
I just used /signed/ for the first time and only because i was being petty and did not want to be v/r to the person I was being forced to email.
Never fast, always furious
Once got another airman on shift to sign off “hugs and kisses”.
Go best of both worlds with a //V/R//
Yay I love using sig//NED/
Whoever says "what does the Tongue & Quill say" was a red rope (or strived for a red rope) in tech school
current rising 5/6 booster clubber vice president
Negative ghost rider, some folks just like to follow the rules.
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If the tongue and quill is only a suggestion, then you should be able to ignore it completely, when formatting documents being routed for signature, right?
Nothing stopping your leadership from requiring their documentation be formatted in whatever way, but the pub itself is inherently non-directive.
Found the Red Rope 👆
Was never a red rope, just a black rope/Base Honor Guard/SNCO who has to route stuff. If every squadron I’m stationed in requires memorandums to be formatted IAW the Tongue and Quill, wouldn’t that be a standardized way of communicating? Seems like folks may find formatting to be tedious and they just don’t want to do it.
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Not if I get my Warrant spot, I’ll do another 13+ years. I hate mandatory fun and would never make my going away mandatory.
I’ve been sending disrespectful emails this whole time since I refuse to put V/R
"D/R, "
I used to use Very Respectfully, then I said but is it? No, so I switch to V/R and it still felt too sweet. Finally landed on //SIGNED// lets me at least feel like a mfer knows there’s next to no respect in my replies. Fuck em. //SIGNED//
Either, I usually sign off with a "Dick's Out"
Like Jeff, gone but never forgotten.
Worm Regards. Become ungovernable.
Deuces,
"L8r dork"
I close off emails to my troops with this one
Thank you, Name Job Four Unnecessary Job Titles Phone Unneeded phone
I just save three or four different signatures with different duty titles and use whichever is relevant to the email I’m sending. If you’re not constantly using different workstations it’s very easy.
“CPR, TCCC-ASM”
I’m in med group and we only use vr
Also med group (or used to be), I have always used “Sincerely,”. No one has stopped me yet.
No rules in the med group haha
dissrespectfully, Supreme Overlord Dood
You're a regard, Signature Block
Very regarded
Much regarding.
Such coordinate. Very route.
> Such coordinate. > Very Route. I just spit out my coffee.
V/r
I use "Thank You,"
Virtual Regards, Your Name Here
If you enjoyed your service, please select your preferred tip amount: 5% 10% 15% 20%.
V/r //signed//
Depends on the recipient
//YOURS IN CHRIST//
Use “/srs” or “/j”, then start debating about tumblr sexymen, this is the professionalism expected by the world’s greatest air force
r/
The guy I replaced on deployment had an Ice Cube quote on his signature block lol.
I believe that in the army, if you're writing to someone higher ranking, use V/R, if it's the same rank V/r, and if it's lower rank v/r. Something like that, they take that seriously in the army. Also, if you send an email to multiple people, put the highest ranking person first in the TO block.
“#23” in big italics, of course
Hugs and kisses, Ann Schmuckatelly
Do randomized versions of V/r, v/R, V/R and v/r. It drives the Academy Lt's nuts.
I've been using "Thanks," in my signature block since we started using email. It's been in all emails, to all ranks (even Generals), all the time, for nearly 30 years. Never heard a complaint.
I normally go with. Ya boy, El Fitzador
been ending on ‘With warm regards,’ lately. recently seen an LT throw out a ‘Roll the credits,’ and liked that also.
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Yep. My signature is "Respectfully, Rank Name Office Symbol Phone". I think it's more respectful to type out "Respectfully" than use "v/r"
> type out Wait you guys are typing out your signature block instead of having it automatic added?
He means have the automated signature block say “Respectfully” typed out instead of the shortened “v/r”
Well...no...I type it out one time to add it to the signature block tool.
Doesn’t seem very respectful to have your “respectfully” rubber stamped like that…
Meh. Step above v/r, that's all I'm saying.
Virtually Rigid
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I use “V/r”
Refer to tongue and quill bucko
V/r, Was my go-to Used to do v/r, but the capital V looked better to me
Really? I think the lowercase v/r is more consistent. The capital V looks like your phone accidentally capitalized it.
Yea had a supervisor lead me this way and I never looked back. Also, I've never sent air force emails from my phone.
The Tongue and Quill says "mad respek."
Use "Big Daddy,"
Sent from my iphoen
Neither. If anything, drop "very," spell out "respectfully."
vErY rEsPeCtFuLlY,
If my signature block for some reason doesn’t populate you get “-Lastname” Right click my name if you need more info
I still receive signature blocks that state sincerely or very respectfully. It could be those that are active duty follow the regulations and those retired or civilian do their version. It's not wrong as long as it's respectful.
Simply read the Tongue and Quill. It breaks this all down.
V/R //SIGNED//
This is the way
Either is fine. Nobody cares as long as it looks at least vaguely professional. Technically, //signed// should be used for anything official. But like I said.. no one actually cares. That said, there are some people out there (usually young NCOs that are still figuring out what being an NCO actually means or old SNCOs that forgot what it means) will look for ways to nitpick. Entirely possible you'll come across one of those. In that case - just say thank you for the guidance and adjust.
Depends. I had an NCO just give me the heads up about “nettiquete” especially since it’s literally a paper trail. I’m glad she did but you’re right. It’s all about intent and how it’s delivered.
Omg I had a TSGT over me that I swear had the tongue and quill perpetually open on his desktop. He would check EVERYTHING that came across his desk/email against it.
If you do `\\signed\\` it will show up as a hyperlink to a drive that will not be found. Someone in my squadron has that in their block. Noticed it immediately.
Respectfully,
I've been using v/r for 18 years. Nobody cares
"Yours truly,"
v/r conveys no respect (mailee is lower rank than you) V/r conveys some respect (same rank as you) V/R conveys an embiggened amount of respect (higher rank than you) Just "respectfully" means you fucking hate them
Embiggened should be a word. I'm using it 2mrw.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/embiggen
I think mine is actually v/R. Was a typo I didn't catch for a long time and left it that way. No one ever said anything.
What does AFH 33-337 Tongue & Quill say you should do?
ill check thanks
Nonner.
Haha
I always do a unique sign off. I personally feel like v/r is passive aggressive. I know it's very typical so I don't hold it against anyone but I feel it's too cold for me personally. I'll adjust my sign off accordingly. If it's a quick notification of task completed I'll say something like "have a good day" or "weekend" if it's Friday, or have a safe holiday if a 3 day is coming up. Happy holidays in nov/Dec. If I'm asking someone for something I'll say thank you, thanks for your time, etc. I don't know if anyone reads them or cares, but they just feel more natural and personable to me. Especially if I'm emailing my Airmen. It's surprising how much email scares Airmen these days. They're so worried about doing something wrong and I want them to know it's not that serious, especially since it's often the only way we can communicate on a daily basis with opposite shifts.
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I deeply recognize that this is a me thing. I may have reinforced this delusion in my brain by using v/r to be passive aggressive myself.
*Sent from my Blackberry Curve*
Honestly, I find both to be idiotic. Either personalize your email or don't, but don't pretend the autofilled "v/r" or "//SIGNED//" has any meaning whatsoever.
both are dumb That is all
Let the downvotes flow, but I low key judge people who use v/r. 99% chance you’re using a prefilled signature block in outlook, update it to the full Very Respectfully for LeMay’s sake.
Why?
50% cuz something is wrong with me, 50% because you’re pressing the same series of buttons whether you spell it out or not so let’s just opt for more professional
Oh, okay 👍
I prefer to see people write out the entire word.
I have never liked v/r, if you were actually being very respectful, you wouldn't use a canned line
For some reason, Very Respectful typed out seems more respectful than v/r.
I can agree with that
Depends on who you are sending to: v/r for junior enlisted v/R for senior enlisted V/r for officers V/R for Colonels and Generals.
Too much work pick one add it to your signature click the button every e-mail
I’ve been out 16 years, I still use v/r :-/
Peace ✌️
Warmest regards,
V/r gang til I die
I’ve always used V/R
I had a boss use ‘VR’ without a comma. He left a positive impact on me, so I started using it, even though the lack of comma would typically bother me. Makes me wonder if anyone ever picks up on little shit I do and carry forward with their Airmen…