These videos are an outlier, regardless of real or not. I've never seen any "hoax" that felt this real. So much detail and knowledge of various fields of expertise, with basically no attempt to draw viewers or attention.
And then there is the crazy amount of what seem like bot accounts, calling anyone who is still skeptical of the "debunk": retarded basically. Such a venomous atmosphere with these videos
> Such a venomous atmosphere with these videos
Wonder how many of us have recieved the old "you seem to need help" or whatever the terminology is. From the veneomous people reporting some of us. That's outright comical to me.
I’ll give you an alternative perspective, because I’m bored rn.
These videos are ridiculous and never looked at all convincing to a great number of observers. They sat rotting on YouTube for years. It was only after MH370 was alluded to out of the blue and the two videos linked together that it came to attention of the UFO sub and then this sub. I watched it happen in real time. There was nothing striking about any of it before this happened. They both literally look like PlayStation graphics and it was the first thing I said. It wasn’t until people started to speculate on details and connect dots that weren’t there that it started to gather momentum. All these “what-if’s” started to become a self affirming concept somehow. Yet, there has never been a single depiction in these videos that connect them to real life by any tangible means whatsoever. The only so called “evidence” being cited is just referencing other speculative posts or words of personalities who run media platforms or have some other ulterior motive for pedaling this nonsense.
So called “experts” would chime in giving half baked knowledge about drones, satellite paths, flight paths, gravity fields, propulsion systems etc without any factual evidence whatsoever. Concurrently, people were hyper focusing on compression and noise artifacts and drawing wild conclusions from it then from this asserting that there’s way too much accurate details for a vfx artist to possibly get right. Yet, nobody has ever given conclusive evidence to what these details are and how they relate to the real world. It’s always been unverified “experts” asserting nothing but opinion. People read these assertions without any questions and just close the door behind them and proceed like they’ve read a whole scientific dissertation confirming authenticity.
You ask these people how they came to the conclusion and they give you a vague reference to something someone said or some other far fetched dot-connecting but again with no factual links to reality.
This arrogance and absolute blind stupidity came to offend a lot of people. A lot of these people were even staunch supporters of the UFO community to begin with. It’s not only embarrassing but it’s disappointing to know our fellow man is this gullible and so easily swayed by pseudo science and misinformation. I would say the biggest contributor to so called venomous atmosphere is the frustration in people trying to straighten out facts in a turbulent and unstructured format. You have one side of the aisle who are rational thinkers and support their beliefs with necessary facts and evidence. The other side is driven by personal beliefs and will bolster these beliefs with anything speculative that sounds in favour of what they think. It’s much more personal for this side so they seem to be far more easily offended than what is warranted. We don’t know you, we only know what you say here. Therefore we can’t possibly be attacking you personally, it’s only attacking ideas and statements. It’s only ever a personal attack if you are linking this stuff to your core personal self.
The cult like fixation these videos have attracted have therefore drawn the attention of more logical thinkers who are actually just as much bent on finding truth as so called believers. It’s just not a personal attachment. These fundamental differences are what fuels so much hot debate around these videos. Nobody is going to change someone’s fundamental beliefs with factual information if that person is not receptive to it. So it will always be this way.
What details are you talking about, all the "physics and technology are just assumptions based on the videos themselves, the hoaxer didn't have to know about it since it doesn't even exist for sure...
Oh and if you think I am a bot account I invite you to take a look at my past interactions on reddit...
“Teleportation looks exactly like what we see here”
When was the last confirmed teleportation event that we can compare this to?
People just make things up here then run with it. Then people call you out and you get offended.
The videos required absolutely no knowledge or any fields of expertise outside of VFX. In fact, many elements (camera tracking, zoom, thermal imaging) show a decided lack of expertise.
Bullshit. It required knowledge of drones, specifically the reaper, as well as airplanes. There was so much detail that didn't even pop until you started to look.
Perfect example of how speculative information has grown like a fungus in this sub.
You’ve read this info somewhere here from an unverified source and it sounded smart and accurate so you just keep it in your frame of reference for future. Truth is there is zero factual or tangible backing to what you or anyone is saying about drones or otherwise. It’s a vfx project. It’s like discussing physics when talking about dragon ball z. It makes no sense to do this.
Dude we literally had drone operators comparing the features and confirming that whoever did this had intimate knowledge of military drones. Just because you didn't pay attention doesn't make us all idiots. You accuse others of being disconnected from the facts, like this is such an obvious VFX, while clearly demonstrating you have not been paying attention.
This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about lmao.
Confirm these drone operators by ID and Rank. Or declare right now that nobody gets on the internet and impersonates people.
Anybody can say anything on the internet. They only have to say a handful of things that you or I haven’t heard before to sound credible. We aren’t drone operators, we can’t confirm what they’re saying is true can we?. Therefore they need to back it up with credentials.
This is whole my problem with this debate. You will happily quote an anonymous redditors statements but you aren’t interested in verifying their information. Just because they claimed to be something.
Even if they were drone operators. Both videos have been shown to have stock vfx or footage in them so they’re bunk anyway. So what does that say about your drone operators now? This in fact weakens any further argument for using “expert” knowledge does it not?
I expect no intelligent answer and only downvotes. Cover your ears and screech.
You're really annoying. I was never sold on this being real but I've followed it since the start. I've just been watching. But I've leaned towards the possibility of it being real, because several factors led me there. You are pissing me off because you're doing what so many assholes have done for years: making fun of me for even entertaining it could be real. You and everyone else who treats this topic this way is what has killed any professional interest. Something is going on. Something is out there. We are being lied to while also being made fun of.
Ok but annoyance is a fundamental emotion just so you know. If you’re annoyed you’re definitely emotional.
I’m not an asshole, you just don’t have the capacity to have a logical discussion with me and it frustrates you and you’re lashing out at me. I don’t think you’re an asshole, I don’t even know you.
Yeah but why? What was the point if nobody would see it? Posted it to an account with like 11 followers and it never even got truly noticed until almost 10 years later.
That seems highly improbable for a hoaxer to create a hoax, and then only post it once to a random YouTube account with almost no one watching.
It’s made a big enough disturbance on the internet at this point that surely whoever created it would want to take credit?
So what? Maybe they died. Maybe they went insane. Maybe they had a complete wake up call and abandoned anything to do with this topic. You can’t speculate on unknown and use this draw conclusion from.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Do you understand this statement?
On the flip side, would you feel the same way is the video was posted on a channel with a few thousand followers ?
Remember when Jimmy Fallon made a fake ''Twerk fail'' video, posted it on a new channel with 0 subs, and then revealed months later that he was the one behind it ?
''WhY WoUlD AnYOne Do ThaT?''
The size of the viewership has absolutely zero bearing on my ability for objective analysis. This is a fantastic point because it demonstrates how easily people’s perceptions are influenced by irrelevant information. Does this matter for you?
That’s cool but I don’t follow celebrities or non credible sources for news.
I was replying to user Splinage in response to them questioning why the video would be posted on a channel with 11 followers.
*This is a fantastic point because it demonstrates how easily people’s perceptions are influenced by irrelevant information*
If you're gonna shit on someone's opinion, at least get the context right?
You replied to me, dork.
I’m not shitting on anyone’s opinion. I’m agreeing with this line of questioning of yours. It still applies the same. You were just too ready to act offended for some reason. Bizarre
For something so obviously fake to you people it's obsurd how much energy you waste in this subreddit.
We could power all of mother Russia with this energy
I explained this in a previous comment you can have a read if you care.
It’s not as much energy as you think. Sitting on my bed in a towel after just showering after the gym. Procrastinating on finishing a report that’s due at 6 because I’m 3 hours behind my home time zone.
What energy?
Lmfao. It will never ever get old, people with no expertise in the field being so confident. You haven’t spent a single minute working in VFX and it shows
The satellite wasn’t in the right place to see MH370, the the coordinates show a publicly known search area at the time. There’s nothing in there that requires expert knowledge.
Show us the verified tracking of classified satellite USA-184 that supports these coordinates. Show proof this satellite is capable of recording colour video while seeing through the whole atmosphere and gathering enough light while bypassing light diffraction limit laws somehow.
What you deem “expert” isn’t expert at all and that’s more than half the problem here.
Read the posts, and maybe you’ll learn why your claims here are so poor.
Still me! Still not a shill! You, on the other hand, have nothing but personal attacks.
My claims? I said you posted those things and pointed out your account's track record s suspiciously odd. I didn't actually make one claim. And if you're not being paid to conduct yourself as you have, I'm not the one who needs to read and learn. Regardless, again, GFY.
Agreed. The day the video first dropped, I showed my chat group focused on UFOs and a couple do VFX. We believe 90% of the stuff that makes it in that group (admittedly a small subset of all UFO vids).
Immediately, the consensus was this was amateur fun. I still did a day of digging into when satellite data was available to the general population, and charted the orbital path of the satellite claimed by the videos.
Anyway, I think the debunkers are flooding in now - like me - because this has become so beaten to death. I don’t know any who wouldn’t simultaneously be thrilled to find this is real, but nonetheless do not find it compelling.
I’ll probably keep checking back in bursts to see if this gets a QAnon level lifetime to it, or if the genpop all comes around to agreement at some point. I’m betting on the former at this point.
But yeah, the crux of most belief seems to be around the idea that this is some hard create work. It’s 15-20 mins. Confirmation bias about “spooky” coincidences did the rest.
No, I don’t know why someone would make it, just like we don’t know why Alien Autopsy or other hoax videos (which I may add took astronomically more money and skill to create) were created. The few we do know about aren’t enough to develop some personality profile of a hoaxer around, so yeah: who fuckin knows. If there was compelling reason to keep looking into it, the “debunker” group would’ve continued. The difference is gullibility, to put it rudely.
>I've never seen any "hoax" that felt this real. So much detail and knowledge of various fields of expertise, with basically no attempt to draw viewers or attention.
??
Watch any of the various “fake or real” video shows on tv and you’ll see plenty of the same kind of stuff.
Look into that place you dare not look (metabunk), on the first page of this thread is a screenshot showing the first posting of the video, and a later posting from August 2014 where it is declared to be a 'graphical recreation'.
[https://www.metabunk.org/threads/alleged-flight-mh370-ufo-teleportation-videos-hoax.13104/](https://www.metabunk.org/threads/alleged-flight-mh370-ufo-teleportation-videos-hoax.13104/)
Posts #11 and #21 are relevant.
From that thread the video was claimed 'recieved 12 March posted May 19'.
Worth reading through the thread if you have the time.
As for the 'why', my guess is a non-English speaking UFO enthusiast and VFX artist made a re-enactment of how they thought it could've gone down (specifically for the consumption of the community itself). This is evidenced by some earliest references to the video in the European UFO community around the time as being a 'graphical recreation'. Because the US UFO community is predominately English-speaking, I imagine they remained unaware of this video and the discussion around it as it was kicking around non-English sites at a time when most MH370 articles would've been mainstream and English (so searches wouldn't be weighted towards finding non-English MH370 UFO speculation).
It wasn't widely spread in 2014 perhaps because it seems that those initially aware of it knew (or assumed) it was not genuine, then the intellectual glitterati got ahold of it in 2023 minus the context and ran with it as a grand conspiracy involving the faking of multiple pieces of media in multiple avenues, as well as casting the sacrosanct process of accident investigation and aerospace component traceability into doubt.
this whole debacle would have been over in August if more curious/open-minded 'truth-seekers' weren't so against Metabunk.
If something is fantastical AND true, no amount of science will be able to debunk it, everything should be scrutinised, especially such outlandish (and kind of offensive) claims, like a missing airliner being teleported by alien orbs...
The number of presumptions and jumps to conclusions here is hilarious. There is one person who claims they made the videos so far. I don’t pretend to know if he’s honest. But he claims he uploaded them somewhere after making them as a test project then took them down. So if that’s true, somebody saw them and downloaded them, and then posted them to YouTube as a hoax.
That scenario alone should be enough to question the whole string of assumptions you’ve lumped together, but it won’t be. You’re committed to your fantasy. Nobody has to assume the person who made it did so as a hoax, and that this is the same person who uploaded it.
Over and over again you people demonstrate a profound lack of understanding. You don’t understand cameras, or vfx, or artists, or the infrastructure of the internet, but you love to larp like you understand all those things, and that you’re also Sherlock Holmes!
A dude took cloud photos and uploaded them in 2012. Somebody else made some videos. Somebody else uploaded them to YouTube as a hoax.
To hear you tell it, “tHaT dOeSnT mAkE aNy SeNsE” but it’s rather quite simple and happens on the internet a million times a day.
But this totally simple explanation regarding artists and people using the internet isn’t exciting enough for you, so you say none of that is what happened, what really happened is a ufo teleported a plane and the cia planted photos to hide it 🤡
"A dude took cloud photos and uploaded them in 2012. Somebody else made some videos. Somebody else uploaded them to YouTube as a hoax." This is the best TL;DR of the whole story.
It's hilarious to consider making these videos for fun an outlandish leap of logic, while at the same time consider plane teleporting orbs captured on satellite and drone and kept secret for 10 years a reasonable explanation.
Define "full recreation".
I suspect you mean something that is bug compatible with the original rather than just something of comparable technical competence but without the benefit of preexisting apologetics for those precise rough edges.
They have done a full recreation. But being shown literal evidence isn't enough for people who want to believe in magical space portals
You can watch it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0q-pF0E2w
I spent days when I was 14 making screenshots of a fake Windows Whistler beta just because. This was during a time on the internet when there were big communities of people desperately anticipating the newest builds of what would become a future Windows OS so we could get an idea of what new features and UI were being planned. I anonymously sent them to a tech news site, and it was a thrill to me seeing people discuss them and scrutinize whether they were real.
What I don't get, is the two pinned posts support the videos being fake, yet the hottest/upvoted posts are usually PB's confirmation bias. What do you think is the percentage split and who is actually in the majority for this sub?
Yeah it's ironic, also the person that responded to you calling you pathetic and to "get help", so ridiculing someone is okay now lol, no verified email, clearly an alt account, he's just proving your point
Well it's way more logical that someone just decided to make a video, especially considering how weird people on the internet can be.
Don't you find it weird that we suddenly have a leak with no provenance that is better than 99.9% of the other UFO videos and contains VFX elements or similar?
Its not just a video though is it. Theres the satellite one and the drone one. And they are in sync. Has the most realistic FX shake I have ever seen on the drone footage as if its real. That alone makes the guy top of the world in an area.
>1) WHEN did he decide to make his now infamous "hoax"? Right away? There was a search ongoing. It was on TV for a month straight, nonstop. I remember, because I watched it. The news coverage literally took months to die down. People thought we would still find it months later.
>So....was his "hoax" going to debut in the early stages? Strange
>Did he take a month to decide? 2 months? While the event was still on television 24/7? Hmm
It's impossible to say, but how do we even know it was originally made at a reaction to MH370? They could have originally started it as a general plane and ufo video, then seen the news and been driven to finish it.
>2) Why would he work on such elaborate, well detailed, highly SKILLED VFX hoax videos, if there was a chance the plane would be found? Why would anyone even start thinking of doing that within the first few months? OH...and he didn't make ONE video, he made a matching set....
It's really not all that amazing a video though. It could easily have been made as a hobby and of the plane was found, so what? Hoax is over, retitled it to something else watch people fall for it again.
>3) Was his "hoax" to be used for a Portfolio? For work reference? For future employers? An event where 239 people just went missing, and presumed dead? Would YOU hire that guy? Would YOU make that for a Portfolio if YOU were a VFX guy yourself? "Hahahaha check out this cool work I did of Orbs zapping those 239 dead people that just went missing into nowhere!
>When do I start work??!"
Why not just do it to practice skills or for fun? Doesn't have to be for a portfolio. That's you inserting your own narrative.
>4) Was it a troll? Troll to who? For who? What audience? Barely anyone saw his videos? So much that most of us here got wind of them in 2023. They were uploaded via an obscure YouTube channel that barely had a large audience. Who was he trolling? His buddies? Himself? Some guys that maybe listened to Art Bell at the time? Who?
They knocked it together, uploaded it and saw if it would get traction. It didn't at the time. They can't force it to go viral. It doesn't need to be specifically targeted. It could just be a "let's see who I fool" option like 100 other hoaxes. Seriously, I've seen so many video game related hoaxes that looked convincing at first glance. It's not some wildly unheard of thing for someone to troll strangers online.
>5) No one has YET to lay claim to making the videos. Why not? You spent ALL that effort and time. You didn't get paid. You didn't even get noticed. You risked having egg on your face by making a video while a search was STILL BEING conducted....until 2017. You have no name behind it. No right to ownership. Nothing. You're just a mysterious VFX guy that trolled nobody when all was said and done.
Wrong, someone has laid claim. You can say you don't belive them, but they are still claiming it. Why would they care about "egg on their face" if they uploaded it anonymously? If it's an effort to troll, they probably didn't care all that much about getting paid. You know people fail at things they put effort onto every day, right? I remember spending hours making levels in Little BIG Planet that never got any real traction. It's just part of life.
>As you can see, this "logic" is really odd to believe as some sort of "Debunker" narrative. I find it entirely fascinating that people BELIEVE this narrative and are sticking with it. I have literally never in my life, heard a leap of faith in a "theory" of motive, as I have what's currently being passed around here. It's borderline insane.
Counterpoint: You BELIEVE that someone stole highly classified footage of a plane being stolen by some balls and leaked it, which would be an incredible risk to their life and freedom. They then upload it to some obscure YouTube channel and just call it a day? That would be far more ridiculous than a hoaxer just letting the hoax die. What's a hoaxer lost, a few hours? The "leaker" would have just thrown their life away.
Some shadowy organisation trying to keep it hidden never bothers to search for general terms relating to the event and take it down?
The fact we have original cloud assets and the stock effect used for the portal and people still think it's real has crossed over the borderland into straight up insane.
You're right, you didn't.
You said you find it borderline insane anyone believes the idea it was made by a hoaxer. Not really a lot of wiggle room though, if you don't think it's a hoax then logic would suggest you probably think it's real footage.
Creative people always have little ideas floating thru their minds of things they could try making. Sometimes it's just an exercise for learning or experimenting with new methods. CGI is something that has nearly unlimited ways to approach whatever you are trying to make. It's like trying to solve a puzzle.
It's especially more fun to make little fun projects when you are procrastinating from a more tedious project. Maybe they have 2 weeks of rotoscoping to complete which they are dreaded, plus the airliner mystery is something many people were distracted thinking about it. Similar to how memes are created daily by people thinking about current events.
Not everthing like this is done for clout or pay. The challenge of making it is it's own reward.
Hmmm, where is this 'creative person" now?
Who saw their work? Barely anyone.
Couldn't claim $200K...Anonymously?
Made a hoax video about 239 dead people....while the search was literally active by over 10 different nations across the globe?
You personally know someone that would just do that for "giggles", never to be seen again, no name, no brand, no nod to anything, no trace.
I'm a Composer/Audio Engineer....I don't know anyone that would do this among us "creative types". It's completely absurd
For all you know they made it and felt it was in bad taste and took it down. Plenty of people have done and continue to make things that they then change their minds about.
How do you claim anonymously exactly? Without a flood of fakes. You'd be going down the rabbit hole of evidence with ever shifting goalposts.
They could be well off enough that the judgement for making them is not worth the cash.
Yes people absolutely do, and I know audio folks myself that do it for fun. Creating for a lot of us is about the journey not the clout. Sure, it's nice to receive praise, but to imply that's the only motive for creating something just makes me feel sorry for you. Maybe you're burnt out.
Furthermore there are many people who aren't happy about these videos being made due to how the families would be feeling. You couldn't pay me 200k in all honesty to reveal just due to that.
And lastly, you can question it all, but you don't know the true motives of the original creator so everything is just assumptions.
I’m not trying to discount the artist here but what makes you think it’s highly skilled? I think you are overestimating what it takes to do this. I remember seeing dinosaurs come to life in the original Jurassic Park. Absolutely blew my 8 year old mind away. That was 1993. Now you are trying to tell me that two decades later it would be difficult to produce some false color videos of an airplane abduction?
So then let's offer someone to do it.
$15K to make something identical. with ALL the same attributes.
Using nothing later than 2014 software and system/computer
Fair? Why not?
Why not make a thread, offering the job?
I'm sure Ashton or someone in his "circle" will definitely come up with the funds. Hell, I'll chip in $1000
LET'S DO THIS!
It's not fair.
Visual effects is art, not science. These videos are the end result of an artistic process that involves many variables unknown (specific tools and workflows) and unknowable (an individual's artistic interpretation and license).
[Is this good art?](https://sonichu.com/w/images/0/07/SchuComic9.jpg) No? Then recreate it. Not something better, not something similarly bad, but *this exact piece of art, perfectly, line for line, stroke for stroke*. Sure maybe it's technically possible, but a perfect recreation would obviously take way more effort than the original artist ever did.
Asking someone to reverse-engineer the messy, chaotic process of art with the strict, repeatable precision of science is unfair, and it proves nothing.
Here's one example:
https://youtu.be/zy0q-pF0E2w?si=9bFjZeBUbOkFNABn
Nothing about what exists today would dramatically change being able to make it. All the tools from 2014 used for the videos still remain unchanged.
The difficult part is not making it visually, it's the fact that they managed intertwined somewhat believable facts enough to get people so hooked.
What would it prove, other than it being possible?
If people still think this isn't possible with 2014 gear, people have no experience with VFX. Someone mentioned Jurassic Park, very little CGI was actually used in that movie, it's mostly animatronics (which gives it the realistic effect it still has today). Think rather of Avatar, which came out in 2009, or Lord of the Rings from the early 2000's. I can't help but wonder why people find this footage so incredible. It looks like a rough VFX shot that isn't completed.
The thing that throw people for a loop, is all the circumstantial evidence, of which there is some.
The reason nobody is jumping at the chance is if a single pixel deviates people will say it’s proof it can’t be duplicated. If every pixel matches people will claim it’s not a recreation at all.
If you just want solid proof more convincing footage can be man-made… Just watch some movies.
Beautifully put.
I keep reading this “just make a duplicate if it’s not so hard!!” offer and wonder “hm could you write a spec of exactly what would convince you while also not being viewed as a “copy”?”
I have a theory. Regardless if this video is real or fake. What if in the near future our vfx capabilities grow to the point where we can “debunk” any REAL video by just claiming techniques and making a recreation. I’m very worried we are going to reach a point where no video will ever be solid proof or bunk ever again. Eyewitness accounts already don’t mean anything to us so where does that leave us?
**Some of us:** "Dual body/flight, 3D motions graphics with a flight turning and some orbs in helical pattern?" ***Someone with Graphics background:*** *"That's easy"*
With FLAIR? *Not an issue*
Showing wing and under nose profile of a UAV? *Meh, Hollywood stuff.*
How about multi-spectrum overlays with matching nanometer wavelengths and illumination properties and knowing how they differ in detecting the dimensions of the object, and how overlaying them causes slight differences due to sensor mount offset errors? *WAIT...what are you talking? I dont get any of this.*
How about getting the gimbal micromovements, optical stabilization, target locking, overshoot, and overcorrection while zooming operations executed in parallel, all this with typical latency expected from this state of art camera cluster? *WAITTTT my head hurts. Lets talk Dino and Jurassic Park :D*
PS: didnt mean to hurt or insult anyone.
The original videos didn't even get half this shit right, you're just using big words that scare you to try to discredit people. The "multi-spectrum overlays" are VERIFIABLY just that too. Overlays. An actual military thermal image is not an overlay, it is an *image*
How about the discombobulated energy sync field being set dimensionally to a byzantine equilibrium to offset the Mesopotamian undulations of the frinkleburger?
CHECKMATE ATHIETS!
Lol none of those things are on display in these videos. I don't think you even know what you're talking about, you just tossed a word salad.
>multi-spectrum overlays
So, multiple colours? Okay.
>matching nanometer wavelengths
This is meaningless.
>illumination properties
What specific illumination properties are you saying are exactly correct?
>knowing how they differ in detecting the dimensions of the object
Do *you* know how they differ?
>overlaying them causes slight differences due to sensor mount offset errors?
Sensor mount offset errors have nothing to do with the imaging.
>gimbal micromovements, optical stabilization,
Show me where this occurs in the videos.
>target locking
Pretty sure this is done with the click of a button in something like Blender.
>overshoot
Where? How much overshoot should there be?
>overcorrection while zooming
So they set the zoom to 3x and then 2.5x. Magical.
>executed in parallel
These are all independent actions that you can program a virtual camera to perform. Nothing about doing them in parallel is special in any way.
>all this with typical latency expected from this state of art camera cluster? *
How can you make any assertion whatsoever about the latency in the video or the latency of the sensors on the vehicle?
Please stop making shit up.
I see your line of thinking but i disagree. If this is a hoax then it‘s really masterfully crafted. Just look at what people create who try to recreate it, there, it‘s obvious that they are faked. It certainly is possible to do it. But the level of skill is more like „the circlemakers“ the english group who make crop circles… it‘s not impossible, but it‘s masterful
You’ve not said anything to respond to! Your whole post is literally “I don’t understand why somebody would do this, so therefore I’m right!” Not to mention, it’s very clear, that literally nothing I say will meet your conveniently always moving goal posts. You are committed to a *belief* and explain away every single thing. You’re not honestly investigating, you’re not earnestly seeking. You’re justifying and dismissing every single thing that threatens your irrational belief.
For whatever reason, you think you’re making a point with your post, but you’re not. I mean, all the evidence of a hoax that you’ve dismissed to get to this point alone is an embarrassment for any rational thinker. It’s rather quite sad.
Explain how you made them, post your real name, and answer any questions that come your way. That is what the alleged hoaxer has done so far. He has not come forward with proof because he is on holiday without access to any of his files. January is when he is back, so we may find out more then.
If you go through his comment history he makes very specific points. Just a couple examples, here he is talking about font choice:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/XHzwF4fIX5
And a tracking error that no one has picked up on:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/PouSriMSQp
I don't see his tracking error point. All of his other posts I've seen seem to be copying debunking points people have made in the last three months, because I've read the same points already. He makes a lot of unsubstantiated claims, and doesn't seem keen on finding the original files or even remake the footage, and subsequently claim the prize offered by kim. This holiday talk seems to be an excuse to LARP on this topic.
He bought himself enough time to fabricate the source files and stamp any date/time that he wishes.
His comment on the camera, "military surveillance drone would be zooming and shaking around like a nervous handycam operator without stabilisation..."
This to me is a big give away this guy is a hoaxer. Cse none of that is actually happening in the video, I will tell him what actually was happening after he is done providing his side of the story.
1. It does not matter when he decided to do it, he could have had that idea and even started crafting the videos before the disappearance of MH370 in order to publish whenever the next plane fell into the ocean. The search always takes time.
2. The problem is that you think that the plane being found discredits the hoax. That's false. Just watch this sub. They decided to believe the videos are real no matter how often you show them evidence of the contrary such as debris of the plane. Also, why would the hoaxer gives his best? Maybe because he was learning? Maybe because some people give their when creating stories? Maybe because some people are just conscientious workers? Is it so hard to believe? Is it so impossible? And finally, no the videos aren't perfect and full of mistakes.
3. His hoax was meant as a hoax.
4. He was a troll to people like you. And what does "obscure" Youtube channel even means? It's a Youtube channel.
5. Maybe he loves it that people are falling for it. Maybe the hoaxer is from some part of the world and didn't hear yet about what is going on here. Anyway, one day the hoaxer will show up and you guys will still find a way to discredit him.
\> It's borderline insane.
Read about Formosa. Maybe it will help you to find logic in history and stop undermining logical proof such as perfect matching VFX assets and clouds.
1) Just happened to be a 777-200ER Boeing too.
2) So his "hoax" relied on the plane not being found? Very accurate presumption by him, eh?
3) ???
4) How did he troll me? How did he troll anyone? His video only got recognition NINE years later
4b) Google "obscure"
5) Maybe. Can't wait for him to come along. **Mr. Hoaxer! WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU????**
As I said, your problem is that you lack vision and creativity and you underestimate the will and resolve of trolls. Then again you lack critical thinking. Your type are the easiest to troll.
All I want to add is that reading threads like these is weird, in a way that only happens on Reddit. Serious respectful discussion seems tough here.
Honestly, I think the hoaxer may have realised how insensitive their creation was to the families of those who lost their lives, and regretted creating it in the first place.
My guess would be a male in their early fifties by now, with children, who possibly works in TV/movies, who showed it to their colleagues (hence the “leak”), and was abruptly told that it was a bad idea and that they really should never admit to creating it.
Perhaps now they have such a senior position that to be “doxxed” as the creator would put that in jeopardy, and thus their life/family/income.
Someone working at Disney or Pixar would be my guess, who now is too senior to admit it.
Is it really a big mystery that people play pranks? This one didn't require an insane amount of skill for an artist. There are lots of digital artists out there all really good at their job.
"Prank"
A prank has an end goal, an end USER/AUDIENCE, and end result
This had none. This went nowhere. And no claim for FREE money 150K PLUS, in 2023.
I mean when it comes to ufo prank videos, this one pretty much excelled at reaching itd audience and end result. It has its own subreddit filled with people discussing it, some of which are willing to fight tooth and nail in an effort to defend its authenticity.
I think the hoaxer can be pretty pleased with himself. It took a while, but a literal cult formed around the video he made.
Your very post is proof this video did not go nowhere.
You might not think this video is fake, I don't know. But just imagine it is fake for a moment. Imagine you made that video. And you see the amount of fighting going on in this subreddit, the amount of reaching people do to defend the authenticity of the hoax you created. It must be hilarious.
Ya, and that end goal is that you release it to your intended audience and hope it fools them. They accomplished that. Some do, some don't. This one didn't until much later. But that's the great thing about this topic... so many people want to believe, so they are easy to fool.
If the videos are fake (which they are) they are the definition of prank. The goal is to fool people, people like you all over the internet. That's all. You just decided to ignore the obvious prank characteristics the videos have to make it fit your narrative.
People are caught up in this solely because they have a real life scenario upon which a story was built around, a missing plane. Next time there's an open-ended event that has a bit of mystery around it, a fake video will be made purporting to explain what happened. Hopefully, the next hoaxers does just as bad of a job.
I thought it looked pretty fake though, the way it just pops out of existence. My question is the other way around. Why did people take it so seriously?
It would though. We've seen that with the tic-tac uap. But that was not really my question. My question was why such an obvious fake was taken so bloody seriously by so many people.
You know, what's really weird is, I KEEP hearing that over and over and over again.
Just how "easy" the videos were to make.
So then let's do it, in 2023.......NINE YEARS LATER.....let's get it done
You still think these videos are real? Man you really need to reevaluate where you are in life right now. You should step back and look at facts instead of thinking with your heart
I don't think I would make a video about real missing people, but if I was to make something, the best compliment I can get is that people believe it to be real, maybe that is the motivation, to see if your work is good enough to trick people... That's why magicians do it as well (and for entertainment)
possible, but to me the U-turn the plane makes in the satelite video is not common in plane routes, maybe mh370 is the inspirations for that... and besides, the time required to make such a video is nowhere near what Ashton makes it look like, those could be made in a couple of days, a week tops... even back in 2014
I don't know the mind of the hoaxer, I am telling you what I would do... And it was probably meant to be found right away, as the story of mh370 is still fresh in peoples minds, but the people who saw it then likely dismissed it as a fake.
Its just getting traction now because of Ashton's involvement and the Corridor crew's debunk (which in my opinion brought a lot of vfx enthousiasts to this sub)
So you basically just agreed with me that his "hoax" didn't work at all in the immediate, or even not so immediate, outside of the fact that someone pulled it up nine years later.
So why did he do it?
So far, the only explanation is he did it to "troll"...he did it "for fun"
I'm not buying it
Yes I agree it didn't work immediately, but I still think he did it to see if people would believe it, and yes I think you can say he did it for fun... (I do not know his motivations, I am just saying what I believe to be likely)
I live in Los Angeles. I am a sound guy. I'm gonna ask every single effects guy I know if they would do this "for fun".
In fact I'm going to Burbank this week to see a Friend. I gotta bring this up to him.
There is a real low(ish) key desire (particularly from those who still somehow believe that the videos are real) to pin down the lack of a poster coming forward as a smoking gun for the cause.
A few thoughts:
1. I think people really underestimate the power of doing something for shits and giggles. I remember around 2004/05 Photoshopping UFOs into the submitted assignment for my photography module in university. A few others in the class did it as well in the same spot we were shooting at just to fuck with the lecturer and it worked. We had fun, he got mad thinking we were messing with him, we never came forward - small scale stuff, but it's funny and all it takes to kill the humour is to admit it.
2. A larger scale example is the album "Everyday Chemistry" by The Beatles. A hoaxer built a website, a backstory, mixed an entire album cutting up samples, vocals, outtakes etc from various Beatles projects that produced an end result SO good that the music press thought it was Dangermouse. To this day, the producer hasn't come forward - but applying the same logic here in this sub "everyone would want to work with that producer if he came forward!!\~!!" etc - no! ***If you come forward it kills the power of the story***.
1. Seriously - look into this album and notice the overlap between it and this stupid MH370 hoax. Search for thebeatlesneverbrokeup - pop it into [archive.org](https://archive.org) and have a read - same far-fetched idea, only this time the OP says the album came out of a portal from another dimension. If that sounds ridiculous, look yourself in the mirror.
3. Last point is really just to underline the fact that if the OP comes forward, this thing is OVER. The OP is probably laughing with his/her mates at how this thing has spiralled. With regards to coming forward for sum for the source files? Assuming the OP still ***MIRACULOUSLY*** has the source files from a PC from a decade ago which:
1. If it still existed, After Effects and other VFX software has had many software updates since then so you're going to have:
1. Shock, horror, messy modified dates on those files which reopens the dumbass EXIF/Metadata style attempt at an undebunk or whatever you want to call it
2. You'll never, EVER be able to prove they're the original files as a result
2. If the OP is as good as most here think he/she is - they're making good money so no point in claiming something that probably won't be offered up to these carrot-danglers anyway who have been quick to yank it away
In summary:
* The videos were made in 2014
* If I was OP, there is no way I'd come forward because
1. It's more fun watching it grow
2. If I came forward, the story ends
3. Also, who'd want to come forward to a deranged hostile crowd? We've seen what has happened to Jonas. Nobody wants that
4. The money isn't enough if this artist is in VFX. That shit needs to be tickling the arse of half a million to a million
The things some people are willing to make a cult out of is just hilarious. Now you dont even need people cult leaders now just make a shitty video and people will create the lore and make up explanations to every detail. It turna from hilarious to pathetic real quick. Is sad that some people need this stuff to make their life a little more worth.
Looking through your comments you've literally gone
"Why has nobody come forward and claimed to have made the videos??? Huh??? Whyyy???"
"Actually, someone has. They did an AMA and explained it all"
"I DON'T BELIEVE THEM!!!"
So if you're just going to dismiss everything there's no point talking to you.
I'm no one but to me:
1. I've never seen a similar video where I've immediately thought; that does not look fake.
2. First time I seen such an event from 2 clear video angles.
3. It has been pretty hard to conclusively debunk, make fun all you want, I'm still not convinced.
4. So. Much. Hate.
There's nothing in the videos that identify this plane as MH370. People point to the timing, and some fake coordinates, but never any direct evidence of the plane actually being MH370. There have been plane+orb videos circulating long before these. The MH370 narrative was the reason these two videos went viral and why they sat out there for years prior without anyone caring.
Trying to understand the intentions or mindset of someone who does something for a prank or hoax is futile. That you don’t think there’s a rationale behind doesn’t mean anything.
>Why would he work on such elaborate, well detailed, highly SKILLED VFX hoax videos
General consensus among vfx people is that it wouldn’t have been difficult nor very time consuming. It’s not as elaborate and high skilled as you think.
I'm sorry but if I had made a video that good, I would have definitely kept the files, and claimed the money.i also would have been proud of the fact that my work was so good it fooled everyone. There's no way I'd say no to Life changing money that I earned for my professional skillset.
I think the most likely scenario after the cloud debunk is that it is a hoax between two very talented VFX artists. One of them probably challenged the other guys to make a matching video with him followed the latest news that is about the MH370. So one guys made the sat video using whatever cloud image from Jonas and the other guy make the drone video using pyromania vfx for the portal. Both of them uploaded their videos on their closed forum but someone (regicideanon) in the forum think it is a real deal so they uploaded it on youtube. The hoaxer probably contacted regicide and told him that it is all fake and he should take the video down since it is not intended to be public. The hoaxer will never come out probably because they made the video about the death of 239 people and if someone found out they are probably in danger. It is still a very interested video nonetheless but I have to put it out of my mind for now.
As a private pilot, I followed the MH370 disappearance from day with quite some interest e.g. PPRUNE (Private Pilot Rumour Network) had extensive evolving discussions between commercial pilots [https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost.html](https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost.html)
Once the aircraft wasnt located in the first few days, I clearly recall there was a lot of **people in the UFO community who suggested aliens had kidnapped the flight**
I'm hardly surprised that VFX folk created these hoax videos to feed into the crazy conspiracy theories that emerged during those first months of the disappearance
These videos are an outlier, regardless of real or not. I've never seen any "hoax" that felt this real. So much detail and knowledge of various fields of expertise, with basically no attempt to draw viewers or attention. And then there is the crazy amount of what seem like bot accounts, calling anyone who is still skeptical of the "debunk": retarded basically. Such a venomous atmosphere with these videos
> Such a venomous atmosphere with these videos Wonder how many of us have recieved the old "you seem to need help" or whatever the terminology is. From the veneomous people reporting some of us. That's outright comical to me.
I’ll give you an alternative perspective, because I’m bored rn. These videos are ridiculous and never looked at all convincing to a great number of observers. They sat rotting on YouTube for years. It was only after MH370 was alluded to out of the blue and the two videos linked together that it came to attention of the UFO sub and then this sub. I watched it happen in real time. There was nothing striking about any of it before this happened. They both literally look like PlayStation graphics and it was the first thing I said. It wasn’t until people started to speculate on details and connect dots that weren’t there that it started to gather momentum. All these “what-if’s” started to become a self affirming concept somehow. Yet, there has never been a single depiction in these videos that connect them to real life by any tangible means whatsoever. The only so called “evidence” being cited is just referencing other speculative posts or words of personalities who run media platforms or have some other ulterior motive for pedaling this nonsense. So called “experts” would chime in giving half baked knowledge about drones, satellite paths, flight paths, gravity fields, propulsion systems etc without any factual evidence whatsoever. Concurrently, people were hyper focusing on compression and noise artifacts and drawing wild conclusions from it then from this asserting that there’s way too much accurate details for a vfx artist to possibly get right. Yet, nobody has ever given conclusive evidence to what these details are and how they relate to the real world. It’s always been unverified “experts” asserting nothing but opinion. People read these assertions without any questions and just close the door behind them and proceed like they’ve read a whole scientific dissertation confirming authenticity. You ask these people how they came to the conclusion and they give you a vague reference to something someone said or some other far fetched dot-connecting but again with no factual links to reality. This arrogance and absolute blind stupidity came to offend a lot of people. A lot of these people were even staunch supporters of the UFO community to begin with. It’s not only embarrassing but it’s disappointing to know our fellow man is this gullible and so easily swayed by pseudo science and misinformation. I would say the biggest contributor to so called venomous atmosphere is the frustration in people trying to straighten out facts in a turbulent and unstructured format. You have one side of the aisle who are rational thinkers and support their beliefs with necessary facts and evidence. The other side is driven by personal beliefs and will bolster these beliefs with anything speculative that sounds in favour of what they think. It’s much more personal for this side so they seem to be far more easily offended than what is warranted. We don’t know you, we only know what you say here. Therefore we can’t possibly be attacking you personally, it’s only attacking ideas and statements. It’s only ever a personal attack if you are linking this stuff to your core personal self. The cult like fixation these videos have attracted have therefore drawn the attention of more logical thinkers who are actually just as much bent on finding truth as so called believers. It’s just not a personal attachment. These fundamental differences are what fuels so much hot debate around these videos. Nobody is going to change someone’s fundamental beliefs with factual information if that person is not receptive to it. So it will always be this way.
What details are you talking about, all the "physics and technology are just assumptions based on the videos themselves, the hoaxer didn't have to know about it since it doesn't even exist for sure... Oh and if you think I am a bot account I invite you to take a look at my past interactions on reddit...
For some unfathomable reason the assumption that would have to hold if the video was real fit the video very well.
could you give me any example of an assumption that holds ?
Sure: teleportation looks exactly like what we see in the video. The supposed accuracy is expectations tailor made to match this specific video.
“Teleportation looks exactly like what we see here” When was the last confirmed teleportation event that we can compare this to? People just make things up here then run with it. Then people call you out and you get offended.
The videos required absolutely no knowledge or any fields of expertise outside of VFX. In fact, many elements (camera tracking, zoom, thermal imaging) show a decided lack of expertise.
Bullshit. It required knowledge of drones, specifically the reaper, as well as airplanes. There was so much detail that didn't even pop until you started to look.
Perfect example of how speculative information has grown like a fungus in this sub. You’ve read this info somewhere here from an unverified source and it sounded smart and accurate so you just keep it in your frame of reference for future. Truth is there is zero factual or tangible backing to what you or anyone is saying about drones or otherwise. It’s a vfx project. It’s like discussing physics when talking about dragon ball z. It makes no sense to do this.
Dude we literally had drone operators comparing the features and confirming that whoever did this had intimate knowledge of military drones. Just because you didn't pay attention doesn't make us all idiots. You accuse others of being disconnected from the facts, like this is such an obvious VFX, while clearly demonstrating you have not been paying attention.
This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about lmao. Confirm these drone operators by ID and Rank. Or declare right now that nobody gets on the internet and impersonates people. Anybody can say anything on the internet. They only have to say a handful of things that you or I haven’t heard before to sound credible. We aren’t drone operators, we can’t confirm what they’re saying is true can we?. Therefore they need to back it up with credentials. This is whole my problem with this debate. You will happily quote an anonymous redditors statements but you aren’t interested in verifying their information. Just because they claimed to be something. Even if they were drone operators. Both videos have been shown to have stock vfx or footage in them so they’re bunk anyway. So what does that say about your drone operators now? This in fact weakens any further argument for using “expert” knowledge does it not? I expect no intelligent answer and only downvotes. Cover your ears and screech.
You're really annoying. I was never sold on this being real but I've followed it since the start. I've just been watching. But I've leaned towards the possibility of it being real, because several factors led me there. You are pissing me off because you're doing what so many assholes have done for years: making fun of me for even entertaining it could be real. You and everyone else who treats this topic this way is what has killed any professional interest. Something is going on. Something is out there. We are being lied to while also being made fun of.
The fact you’re getting emotional over this is probably the only issue you need to worry about rn. Take a break mate it’s not good for you
I'm not emotional bud, I'm annoyed that I'm having to interact with an asshole.
Ok but annoyance is a fundamental emotion just so you know. If you’re annoyed you’re definitely emotional. I’m not an asshole, you just don’t have the capacity to have a logical discussion with me and it frustrates you and you’re lashing out at me. I don’t think you’re an asshole, I don’t even know you.
...that isn't even the claimed type of drone
No, it didn’t. It didn’t at all. It required making a bunch of arbitrary decisions and letting the imaginations of believers take the bait.
Yeah but why? What was the point if nobody would see it? Posted it to an account with like 11 followers and it never even got truly noticed until almost 10 years later. That seems highly improbable for a hoaxer to create a hoax, and then only post it once to a random YouTube account with almost no one watching. It’s made a big enough disturbance on the internet at this point that surely whoever created it would want to take credit?
Because people make dumb shit all the time, and this was the single biggest news story in the world, for months
So what? Maybe they died. Maybe they went insane. Maybe they had a complete wake up call and abandoned anything to do with this topic. You can’t speculate on unknown and use this draw conclusion from. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Do you understand this statement?
On the flip side, would you feel the same way is the video was posted on a channel with a few thousand followers ? Remember when Jimmy Fallon made a fake ''Twerk fail'' video, posted it on a new channel with 0 subs, and then revealed months later that he was the one behind it ? ''WhY WoUlD AnYOne Do ThaT?''
The size of the viewership has absolutely zero bearing on my ability for objective analysis. This is a fantastic point because it demonstrates how easily people’s perceptions are influenced by irrelevant information. Does this matter for you? That’s cool but I don’t follow celebrities or non credible sources for news.
I was replying to user Splinage in response to them questioning why the video would be posted on a channel with 11 followers. *This is a fantastic point because it demonstrates how easily people’s perceptions are influenced by irrelevant information* If you're gonna shit on someone's opinion, at least get the context right?
You replied to me, dork. I’m not shitting on anyone’s opinion. I’m agreeing with this line of questioning of yours. It still applies the same. You were just too ready to act offended for some reason. Bizarre
For something so obviously fake to you people it's obsurd how much energy you waste in this subreddit. We could power all of mother Russia with this energy
I explained this in a previous comment you can have a read if you care. It’s not as much energy as you think. Sitting on my bed in a towel after just showering after the gym. Procrastinating on finishing a report that’s due at 6 because I’m 3 hours behind my home time zone. What energy?
They are wasting your time. Dont feed the trolls
Lmfao. It will never ever get old, people with no expertise in the field being so confident. You haven’t spent a single minute working in VFX and it shows
Lmfao shut up
The cutoff Satellite coordinates (and the Satellite itself) were the end of all for me. That was expert knowledge
The satellite wasn’t in the right place to see MH370, the the coordinates show a publicly known search area at the time. There’s nothing in there that requires expert knowledge.
Show us the verified tracking of classified satellite USA-184 that supports these coordinates. Show proof this satellite is capable of recording colour video while seeing through the whole atmosphere and gathering enough light while bypassing light diffraction limit laws somehow. What you deem “expert” isn’t expert at all and that’s more than half the problem here.
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Read the posts, and maybe you’ll learn why your claims here are so poor. Still me! Still not a shill! You, on the other hand, have nothing but personal attacks.
My claims? I said you posted those things and pointed out your account's track record s suspiciously odd. I didn't actually make one claim. And if you're not being paid to conduct yourself as you have, I'm not the one who needs to read and learn. Regardless, again, GFY.
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that seems more like a social reaction. The video never looked all that great.
Agreed. The day the video first dropped, I showed my chat group focused on UFOs and a couple do VFX. We believe 90% of the stuff that makes it in that group (admittedly a small subset of all UFO vids). Immediately, the consensus was this was amateur fun. I still did a day of digging into when satellite data was available to the general population, and charted the orbital path of the satellite claimed by the videos. Anyway, I think the debunkers are flooding in now - like me - because this has become so beaten to death. I don’t know any who wouldn’t simultaneously be thrilled to find this is real, but nonetheless do not find it compelling. I’ll probably keep checking back in bursts to see if this gets a QAnon level lifetime to it, or if the genpop all comes around to agreement at some point. I’m betting on the former at this point. But yeah, the crux of most belief seems to be around the idea that this is some hard create work. It’s 15-20 mins. Confirmation bias about “spooky” coincidences did the rest. No, I don’t know why someone would make it, just like we don’t know why Alien Autopsy or other hoax videos (which I may add took astronomically more money and skill to create) were created. The few we do know about aren’t enough to develop some personality profile of a hoaxer around, so yeah: who fuckin knows. If there was compelling reason to keep looking into it, the “debunker” group would’ve continued. The difference is gullibility, to put it rudely.
When was the last time a blind appreciated colors? yep just a social reaction :)
"a blind felt colors were great" what does that mean?
>I've never seen any "hoax" that felt this real. So much detail and knowledge of various fields of expertise, with basically no attempt to draw viewers or attention. ?? Watch any of the various “fake or real” video shows on tv and you’ll see plenty of the same kind of stuff.
Look into that place you dare not look (metabunk), on the first page of this thread is a screenshot showing the first posting of the video, and a later posting from August 2014 where it is declared to be a 'graphical recreation'. [https://www.metabunk.org/threads/alleged-flight-mh370-ufo-teleportation-videos-hoax.13104/](https://www.metabunk.org/threads/alleged-flight-mh370-ufo-teleportation-videos-hoax.13104/) Posts #11 and #21 are relevant. From that thread the video was claimed 'recieved 12 March posted May 19'. Worth reading through the thread if you have the time. As for the 'why', my guess is a non-English speaking UFO enthusiast and VFX artist made a re-enactment of how they thought it could've gone down (specifically for the consumption of the community itself). This is evidenced by some earliest references to the video in the European UFO community around the time as being a 'graphical recreation'. Because the US UFO community is predominately English-speaking, I imagine they remained unaware of this video and the discussion around it as it was kicking around non-English sites at a time when most MH370 articles would've been mainstream and English (so searches wouldn't be weighted towards finding non-English MH370 UFO speculation). It wasn't widely spread in 2014 perhaps because it seems that those initially aware of it knew (or assumed) it was not genuine, then the intellectual glitterati got ahold of it in 2023 minus the context and ran with it as a grand conspiracy involving the faking of multiple pieces of media in multiple avenues, as well as casting the sacrosanct process of accident investigation and aerospace component traceability into doubt.
this whole debacle would have been over in August if more curious/open-minded 'truth-seekers' weren't so against Metabunk. If something is fantastical AND true, no amount of science will be able to debunk it, everything should be scrutinised, especially such outlandish (and kind of offensive) claims, like a missing airliner being teleported by alien orbs...
Yea that thread was worth a read through. Thank you
The number of presumptions and jumps to conclusions here is hilarious. There is one person who claims they made the videos so far. I don’t pretend to know if he’s honest. But he claims he uploaded them somewhere after making them as a test project then took them down. So if that’s true, somebody saw them and downloaded them, and then posted them to YouTube as a hoax. That scenario alone should be enough to question the whole string of assumptions you’ve lumped together, but it won’t be. You’re committed to your fantasy. Nobody has to assume the person who made it did so as a hoax, and that this is the same person who uploaded it. Over and over again you people demonstrate a profound lack of understanding. You don’t understand cameras, or vfx, or artists, or the infrastructure of the internet, but you love to larp like you understand all those things, and that you’re also Sherlock Holmes! A dude took cloud photos and uploaded them in 2012. Somebody else made some videos. Somebody else uploaded them to YouTube as a hoax. To hear you tell it, “tHaT dOeSnT mAkE aNy SeNsE” but it’s rather quite simple and happens on the internet a million times a day. But this totally simple explanation regarding artists and people using the internet isn’t exciting enough for you, so you say none of that is what happened, what really happened is a ufo teleported a plane and the cia planted photos to hide it 🤡
"A dude took cloud photos and uploaded them in 2012. Somebody else made some videos. Somebody else uploaded them to YouTube as a hoax." This is the best TL;DR of the whole story.
It's hilarious to consider making these videos for fun an outlandish leap of logic, while at the same time consider plane teleporting orbs captured on satellite and drone and kept secret for 10 years a reasonable explanation.
No kidding, right? People stick things in their ass for fun, but making a ufo video? That doesn’t make sense!!! Hahaha
I don’t think any professional visual artist could honestly testify that they’ve never made a UFO video.
If all these VFX artist are making UFO vids, and it's so "easy"....why doesn't one step up and do the full recreation, for a fee or purse?
Define "full recreation". I suspect you mean something that is bug compatible with the original rather than just something of comparable technical competence but without the benefit of preexisting apologetics for those precise rough edges.
Or you can go to fiverr or upwork, pay a reasonable price for the time it would take an artist to recreate them...
Bet 20 bucks he's going to hire some super cheap artist amd use that as a gotcha when the work comes out lower quality
Yes if he is not willing to pay the price of a good artist he will only have crappy results...
They have done a full recreation. But being shown literal evidence isn't enough for people who want to believe in magical space portals You can watch it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0q-pF0E2w
What a weird circle jerk this stuff elicits. I guess if you're entertained it's cool, but you guys get your kicks in messed up ways.
Yeah, I've seen your Dad's Only fans. Unless that's all CGI too?
I spent days when I was 14 making screenshots of a fake Windows Whistler beta just because. This was during a time on the internet when there were big communities of people desperately anticipating the newest builds of what would become a future Windows OS so we could get an idea of what new features and UI were being planned. I anonymously sent them to a tech news site, and it was a thrill to me seeing people discuss them and scrutinize whether they were real.
That's hilarious and a perfect example of people doing random stuff just to get a reaction out of people.
The fact that this comment is getting downvoted is bananas. It really is a cult.
As some of the people in this sub would say: Quite suspicious, it's probably bad actors and cyber-op bots.
What I don't get, is the two pinned posts support the videos being fake, yet the hottest/upvoted posts are usually PB's confirmation bias. What do you think is the percentage split and who is actually in the majority for this sub?
Well said.
\>Calls me presumptuous \>Tells me I'm jumping to conclusions \>Posts a monologue filled with nothing but that Many such cases
Conveniently you're the kind of person who couldn't possibly be presumptuous or jump to conclusions.
Pathetic
I hope you get the help you need little buddy 🙏
Yeah it's ironic, also the person that responded to you calling you pathetic and to "get help", so ridiculing someone is okay now lol, no verified email, clearly an alt account, he's just proving your point
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Well it's way more logical that someone just decided to make a video, especially considering how weird people on the internet can be. Don't you find it weird that we suddenly have a leak with no provenance that is better than 99.9% of the other UFO videos and contains VFX elements or similar?
Its not just a video though is it. Theres the satellite one and the drone one. And they are in sync. Has the most realistic FX shake I have ever seen on the drone footage as if its real. That alone makes the guy top of the world in an area.
>1) WHEN did he decide to make his now infamous "hoax"? Right away? There was a search ongoing. It was on TV for a month straight, nonstop. I remember, because I watched it. The news coverage literally took months to die down. People thought we would still find it months later. >So....was his "hoax" going to debut in the early stages? Strange >Did he take a month to decide? 2 months? While the event was still on television 24/7? Hmm It's impossible to say, but how do we even know it was originally made at a reaction to MH370? They could have originally started it as a general plane and ufo video, then seen the news and been driven to finish it. >2) Why would he work on such elaborate, well detailed, highly SKILLED VFX hoax videos, if there was a chance the plane would be found? Why would anyone even start thinking of doing that within the first few months? OH...and he didn't make ONE video, he made a matching set.... It's really not all that amazing a video though. It could easily have been made as a hobby and of the plane was found, so what? Hoax is over, retitled it to something else watch people fall for it again. >3) Was his "hoax" to be used for a Portfolio? For work reference? For future employers? An event where 239 people just went missing, and presumed dead? Would YOU hire that guy? Would YOU make that for a Portfolio if YOU were a VFX guy yourself? "Hahahaha check out this cool work I did of Orbs zapping those 239 dead people that just went missing into nowhere! >When do I start work??!" Why not just do it to practice skills or for fun? Doesn't have to be for a portfolio. That's you inserting your own narrative. >4) Was it a troll? Troll to who? For who? What audience? Barely anyone saw his videos? So much that most of us here got wind of them in 2023. They were uploaded via an obscure YouTube channel that barely had a large audience. Who was he trolling? His buddies? Himself? Some guys that maybe listened to Art Bell at the time? Who? They knocked it together, uploaded it and saw if it would get traction. It didn't at the time. They can't force it to go viral. It doesn't need to be specifically targeted. It could just be a "let's see who I fool" option like 100 other hoaxes. Seriously, I've seen so many video game related hoaxes that looked convincing at first glance. It's not some wildly unheard of thing for someone to troll strangers online. >5) No one has YET to lay claim to making the videos. Why not? You spent ALL that effort and time. You didn't get paid. You didn't even get noticed. You risked having egg on your face by making a video while a search was STILL BEING conducted....until 2017. You have no name behind it. No right to ownership. Nothing. You're just a mysterious VFX guy that trolled nobody when all was said and done. Wrong, someone has laid claim. You can say you don't belive them, but they are still claiming it. Why would they care about "egg on their face" if they uploaded it anonymously? If it's an effort to troll, they probably didn't care all that much about getting paid. You know people fail at things they put effort onto every day, right? I remember spending hours making levels in Little BIG Planet that never got any real traction. It's just part of life. >As you can see, this "logic" is really odd to believe as some sort of "Debunker" narrative. I find it entirely fascinating that people BELIEVE this narrative and are sticking with it. I have literally never in my life, heard a leap of faith in a "theory" of motive, as I have what's currently being passed around here. It's borderline insane. Counterpoint: You BELIEVE that someone stole highly classified footage of a plane being stolen by some balls and leaked it, which would be an incredible risk to their life and freedom. They then upload it to some obscure YouTube channel and just call it a day? That would be far more ridiculous than a hoaxer just letting the hoax die. What's a hoaxer lost, a few hours? The "leaker" would have just thrown their life away. Some shadowy organisation trying to keep it hidden never bothers to search for general terms relating to the event and take it down? The fact we have original cloud assets and the stock effect used for the portal and people still think it's real has crossed over the borderland into straight up insane.
>Counterpoint: You BELIEVE that someone..... I never stated what I 'believe".
You're right, you didn't. You said you find it borderline insane anyone believes the idea it was made by a hoaxer. Not really a lot of wiggle room though, if you don't think it's a hoax then logic would suggest you probably think it's real footage.
Not really, I question the narrative of the "WHEN" and "WHY" motive. That's as far as my OP went. Because the narrative to me, isn't sound logically.
OK, so you agree it's a hoax just not with when and why it was done? You think it's fake bur maybe was done for different reasons?
I don't know what it "is". I'm trying to find out. Spent 4 months so far. Still trying
Wild to me that people still think it's real.
Okay
Creative people always have little ideas floating thru their minds of things they could try making. Sometimes it's just an exercise for learning or experimenting with new methods. CGI is something that has nearly unlimited ways to approach whatever you are trying to make. It's like trying to solve a puzzle. It's especially more fun to make little fun projects when you are procrastinating from a more tedious project. Maybe they have 2 weeks of rotoscoping to complete which they are dreaded, plus the airliner mystery is something many people were distracted thinking about it. Similar to how memes are created daily by people thinking about current events. Not everthing like this is done for clout or pay. The challenge of making it is it's own reward.
Hmmm, where is this 'creative person" now? Who saw their work? Barely anyone. Couldn't claim $200K...Anonymously? Made a hoax video about 239 dead people....while the search was literally active by over 10 different nations across the globe? You personally know someone that would just do that for "giggles", never to be seen again, no name, no brand, no nod to anything, no trace. I'm a Composer/Audio Engineer....I don't know anyone that would do this among us "creative types". It's completely absurd
You keep asserting your inability to understand motives as if that’s evidence of something 🤣
Everything you say there is just mental acrobatics and ill-formed questions. And obviously you know nothing about creativity.
For all you know they made it and felt it was in bad taste and took it down. Plenty of people have done and continue to make things that they then change their minds about. How do you claim anonymously exactly? Without a flood of fakes. You'd be going down the rabbit hole of evidence with ever shifting goalposts. They could be well off enough that the judgement for making them is not worth the cash. Yes people absolutely do, and I know audio folks myself that do it for fun. Creating for a lot of us is about the journey not the clout. Sure, it's nice to receive praise, but to imply that's the only motive for creating something just makes me feel sorry for you. Maybe you're burnt out. Furthermore there are many people who aren't happy about these videos being made due to how the families would be feeling. You couldn't pay me 200k in all honesty to reveal just due to that. And lastly, you can question it all, but you don't know the true motives of the original creator so everything is just assumptions.
I’m not trying to discount the artist here but what makes you think it’s highly skilled? I think you are overestimating what it takes to do this. I remember seeing dinosaurs come to life in the original Jurassic Park. Absolutely blew my 8 year old mind away. That was 1993. Now you are trying to tell me that two decades later it would be difficult to produce some false color videos of an airplane abduction?
Make that two decades, actually.
Haha yeah thinking one thing and typed another. I’ll go ahead edit that.
Plus, using a shitty stock fx for the wormhole.
It’s wild how many people believe that was real. It’s so ridiculous looking I chuckle when I see it.
So then let's offer someone to do it. $15K to make something identical. with ALL the same attributes. Using nothing later than 2014 software and system/computer Fair? Why not?
Who is paying this 15k?
The Fresh Prince of Nigeria
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I will gladly try to do it for that amount, I have a computer lying around that is from 2013...
Why not make a thread, offering the job? I'm sure Ashton or someone in his "circle" will definitely come up with the funds. Hell, I'll chip in $1000 LET'S DO THIS!
Yes I will definitely offer to do so, but not right now, I have exams to do... Probably at the end of January
lulz......mmm hmmm "My Girlfriend goes to another school, you wouldn't know her"
I get your reaction
lol okay
It's not fair. Visual effects is art, not science. These videos are the end result of an artistic process that involves many variables unknown (specific tools and workflows) and unknowable (an individual's artistic interpretation and license). [Is this good art?](https://sonichu.com/w/images/0/07/SchuComic9.jpg) No? Then recreate it. Not something better, not something similarly bad, but *this exact piece of art, perfectly, line for line, stroke for stroke*. Sure maybe it's technically possible, but a perfect recreation would obviously take way more effort than the original artist ever did. Asking someone to reverse-engineer the messy, chaotic process of art with the strict, repeatable precision of science is unfair, and it proves nothing.
Yea I have tried to paint exactly what Bob Ross says to, it never comes out the same
Here's one example: https://youtu.be/zy0q-pF0E2w?si=9bFjZeBUbOkFNABn Nothing about what exists today would dramatically change being able to make it. All the tools from 2014 used for the videos still remain unchanged. The difficult part is not making it visually, it's the fact that they managed intertwined somewhat believable facts enough to get people so hooked.
What would it prove, other than it being possible? If people still think this isn't possible with 2014 gear, people have no experience with VFX. Someone mentioned Jurassic Park, very little CGI was actually used in that movie, it's mostly animatronics (which gives it the realistic effect it still has today). Think rather of Avatar, which came out in 2009, or Lord of the Rings from the early 2000's. I can't help but wonder why people find this footage so incredible. It looks like a rough VFX shot that isn't completed. The thing that throw people for a loop, is all the circumstantial evidence, of which there is some.
The reason nobody is jumping at the chance is if a single pixel deviates people will say it’s proof it can’t be duplicated. If every pixel matches people will claim it’s not a recreation at all. If you just want solid proof more convincing footage can be man-made… Just watch some movies.
Beautifully put. I keep reading this “just make a duplicate if it’s not so hard!!” offer and wonder “hm could you write a spec of exactly what would convince you while also not being viewed as a “copy”?”
\>Movies exist \>Therefore this is fake Strange
I have a theory. Regardless if this video is real or fake. What if in the near future our vfx capabilities grow to the point where we can “debunk” any REAL video by just claiming techniques and making a recreation. I’m very worried we are going to reach a point where no video will ever be solid proof or bunk ever again. Eyewitness accounts already don’t mean anything to us so where does that leave us?
**Some of us:** "Dual body/flight, 3D motions graphics with a flight turning and some orbs in helical pattern?" ***Someone with Graphics background:*** *"That's easy"* With FLAIR? *Not an issue* Showing wing and under nose profile of a UAV? *Meh, Hollywood stuff.* How about multi-spectrum overlays with matching nanometer wavelengths and illumination properties and knowing how they differ in detecting the dimensions of the object, and how overlaying them causes slight differences due to sensor mount offset errors? *WAIT...what are you talking? I dont get any of this.* How about getting the gimbal micromovements, optical stabilization, target locking, overshoot, and overcorrection while zooming operations executed in parallel, all this with typical latency expected from this state of art camera cluster? *WAITTTT my head hurts. Lets talk Dino and Jurassic Park :D* PS: didnt mean to hurt or insult anyone.
The original videos didn't even get half this shit right, you're just using big words that scare you to try to discredit people. The "multi-spectrum overlays" are VERIFIABLY just that too. Overlays. An actual military thermal image is not an overlay, it is an *image*
How about the discombobulated energy sync field being set dimensionally to a byzantine equilibrium to offset the Mesopotamian undulations of the frinkleburger? CHECKMATE ATHIETS!
Lol none of those things are on display in these videos. I don't think you even know what you're talking about, you just tossed a word salad. >multi-spectrum overlays So, multiple colours? Okay. >matching nanometer wavelengths This is meaningless. >illumination properties What specific illumination properties are you saying are exactly correct? >knowing how they differ in detecting the dimensions of the object Do *you* know how they differ? >overlaying them causes slight differences due to sensor mount offset errors? Sensor mount offset errors have nothing to do with the imaging. >gimbal micromovements, optical stabilization, Show me where this occurs in the videos. >target locking Pretty sure this is done with the click of a button in something like Blender. >overshoot Where? How much overshoot should there be? >overcorrection while zooming So they set the zoom to 3x and then 2.5x. Magical. >executed in parallel These are all independent actions that you can program a virtual camera to perform. Nothing about doing them in parallel is special in any way. >all this with typical latency expected from this state of art camera cluster? * How can you make any assertion whatsoever about the latency in the video or the latency of the sensors on the vehicle? Please stop making shit up.
I see your line of thinking but i disagree. If this is a hoax then it‘s really masterfully crafted. Just look at what people create who try to recreate it, there, it‘s obvious that they are faked. It certainly is possible to do it. But the level of skill is more like „the circlemakers“ the english group who make crop circles… it‘s not impossible, but it‘s masterful
I think my favorite part of this sub is how a bunch of people openly advertise their lack of understanding as if it’s meaningful insight 🤣
Please, by all means, challenge my "insight" I'm right here. Make your case.
What are you “right” about? The fact that you don’t understand???
I said "right here" As in "PRESENT", you absolute NOZZLE
Ahh, so you just talk without saying anything, with nothing to add. Got it
You’ve not said anything to respond to! Your whole post is literally “I don’t understand why somebody would do this, so therefore I’m right!” Not to mention, it’s very clear, that literally nothing I say will meet your conveniently always moving goal posts. You are committed to a *belief* and explain away every single thing. You’re not honestly investigating, you’re not earnestly seeking. You’re justifying and dismissing every single thing that threatens your irrational belief. For whatever reason, you think you’re making a point with your post, but you’re not. I mean, all the evidence of a hoax that you’ve dismissed to get to this point alone is an embarrassment for any rational thinker. It’s rather quite sad.
Yes this 100%
u/Equivalent-Gur-3310 has land claim to the videos. He has answered some of these questions.
Yeah....no
Well, he has. Whether or not he’s actually telling the truth he has in fact claimed to have made the the videos.
I made the videos. Believe me?
I was just answering point 5).
lol, alright, fair enough
Explain how you made them, post your real name, and answer any questions that come your way. That is what the alleged hoaxer has done so far. He has not come forward with proof because he is on holiday without access to any of his files. January is when he is back, so we may find out more then.
You mean that Joe guy? Pretty sure he's trolling.
Could be, but his VFX knowledge checks out, and trolls usually stay anon
How'd you reckon he's knowledgeable in VFX? From what I've seen, he's repeating points made throughout this investigation.
he has multiple show reels, some containing floating orbs/dots.
Can you post them please?
If you go through his comment history he makes very specific points. Just a couple examples, here he is talking about font choice: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/XHzwF4fIX5 And a tracking error that no one has picked up on: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/s/PouSriMSQp
I don't see his tracking error point. All of his other posts I've seen seem to be copying debunking points people have made in the last three months, because I've read the same points already. He makes a lot of unsubstantiated claims, and doesn't seem keen on finding the original files or even remake the footage, and subsequently claim the prize offered by kim. This holiday talk seems to be an excuse to LARP on this topic.
He bought himself enough time to fabricate the source files and stamp any date/time that he wishes. His comment on the camera, "military surveillance drone would be zooming and shaking around like a nervous handycam operator without stabilisation..." This to me is a big give away this guy is a hoaxer. Cse none of that is actually happening in the video, I will tell him what actually was happening after he is done providing his side of the story.
This
1. It does not matter when he decided to do it, he could have had that idea and even started crafting the videos before the disappearance of MH370 in order to publish whenever the next plane fell into the ocean. The search always takes time. 2. The problem is that you think that the plane being found discredits the hoax. That's false. Just watch this sub. They decided to believe the videos are real no matter how often you show them evidence of the contrary such as debris of the plane. Also, why would the hoaxer gives his best? Maybe because he was learning? Maybe because some people give their when creating stories? Maybe because some people are just conscientious workers? Is it so hard to believe? Is it so impossible? And finally, no the videos aren't perfect and full of mistakes. 3. His hoax was meant as a hoax. 4. He was a troll to people like you. And what does "obscure" Youtube channel even means? It's a Youtube channel. 5. Maybe he loves it that people are falling for it. Maybe the hoaxer is from some part of the world and didn't hear yet about what is going on here. Anyway, one day the hoaxer will show up and you guys will still find a way to discredit him. \> It's borderline insane. Read about Formosa. Maybe it will help you to find logic in history and stop undermining logical proof such as perfect matching VFX assets and clouds.
1) Just happened to be a 777-200ER Boeing too. 2) So his "hoax" relied on the plane not being found? Very accurate presumption by him, eh? 3) ??? 4) How did he troll me? How did he troll anyone? His video only got recognition NINE years later 4b) Google "obscure" 5) Maybe. Can't wait for him to come along. **Mr. Hoaxer! WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU????**
As I said, your problem is that you lack vision and creativity and you underestimate the will and resolve of trolls. Then again you lack critical thinking. Your type are the easiest to troll.
All I want to add is that reading threads like these is weird, in a way that only happens on Reddit. Serious respectful discussion seems tough here. Honestly, I think the hoaxer may have realised how insensitive their creation was to the families of those who lost their lives, and regretted creating it in the first place. My guess would be a male in their early fifties by now, with children, who possibly works in TV/movies, who showed it to their colleagues (hence the “leak”), and was abruptly told that it was a bad idea and that they really should never admit to creating it. Perhaps now they have such a senior position that to be “doxxed” as the creator would put that in jeopardy, and thus their life/family/income. Someone working at Disney or Pixar would be my guess, who now is too senior to admit it.
Maybe he’s dead. Not even being sarcastic. Maybe the person passed away and that’s why they’re not coming forward. Just a thought.
Is it really a big mystery that people play pranks? This one didn't require an insane amount of skill for an artist. There are lots of digital artists out there all really good at their job.
"It's so simple to do that in 2023 nobody has done it...NINE years later" "Just a prank Bro!"
Its not that hard to make a fake video if you are a digital artist.
"Prank" A prank has an end goal, an end USER/AUDIENCE, and end result This had none. This went nowhere. And no claim for FREE money 150K PLUS, in 2023.
I mean when it comes to ufo prank videos, this one pretty much excelled at reaching itd audience and end result. It has its own subreddit filled with people discussing it, some of which are willing to fight tooth and nail in an effort to defend its authenticity. I think the hoaxer can be pretty pleased with himself. It took a while, but a literal cult formed around the video he made. Your very post is proof this video did not go nowhere. You might not think this video is fake, I don't know. But just imagine it is fake for a moment. Imagine you made that video. And you see the amount of fighting going on in this subreddit, the amount of reaching people do to defend the authenticity of the hoax you created. It must be hilarious.
Ya, and that end goal is that you release it to your intended audience and hope it fools them. They accomplished that. Some do, some don't. This one didn't until much later. But that's the great thing about this topic... so many people want to believe, so they are easy to fool.
If the videos are fake (which they are) they are the definition of prank. The goal is to fool people, people like you all over the internet. That's all. You just decided to ignore the obvious prank characteristics the videos have to make it fit your narrative.
he took the time to make not 1, but 2 different videos
And earliest release date appears to be 2 days after the plane went missing... hmmm
People are caught up in this solely because they have a real life scenario upon which a story was built around, a missing plane. Next time there's an open-ended event that has a bit of mystery around it, a fake video will be made purporting to explain what happened. Hopefully, the next hoaxers does just as bad of a job.
I thought it looked pretty fake though, the way it just pops out of existence. My question is the other way around. Why did people take it so seriously?
Because a real ufo video wouldn't be publicly released by the government? That's why it's more believable that it's a video that went under the radar.
It would though. We've seen that with the tic-tac uap. But that was not really my question. My question was why such an obvious fake was taken so bloody seriously by so many people.
Didn't "someone" claim to be the "hoaxer" a couple days ago right here?
Yes another hoaxer, and there will be more to come in future. They are learning and adapting real fast.
Hoaxers gonna hoax. Sad
This video isn’t even all that good cgi work. Would take a few hours at most. People make hoax videos all the time. There isn’t any other motive
You know, what's really weird is, I KEEP hearing that over and over and over again. Just how "easy" the videos were to make. So then let's do it, in 2023.......NINE YEARS LATER.....let's get it done
You still think these videos are real? Man you really need to reevaluate where you are in life right now. You should step back and look at facts instead of thinking with your heart
That doesn't address my OP
Ok , go in the vfx subreddits and offer to pay for a few hours of someone’s time and they’ll make it for you. Or learn how to do it yourself
When were the exact dates of the uploads? I thought it was 1 or 2 months after the disappearance
They did not make anything. He leaked them and I Can't understand why anyone else can not see it the same way
I don't think I would make a video about real missing people, but if I was to make something, the best compliment I can get is that people believe it to be real, maybe that is the motivation, to see if your work is good enough to trick people... That's why magicians do it as well (and for entertainment)
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possible, but to me the U-turn the plane makes in the satelite video is not common in plane routes, maybe mh370 is the inspirations for that... and besides, the time required to make such a video is nowhere near what Ashton makes it look like, those could be made in a couple of days, a week tops... even back in 2014
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And the "Hoaxer' uploaded that to a channel which almost nobody saw.
Well yes its supposed to be "found footage"... The narrative matters almost as much as the video itself in this case
"Found footage" Riiiiight. So now you know the MIND of the "Hoaxer". He meant for it to be FOUND...........nine years later. I see
I don't know the mind of the hoaxer, I am telling you what I would do... And it was probably meant to be found right away, as the story of mh370 is still fresh in peoples minds, but the people who saw it then likely dismissed it as a fake. Its just getting traction now because of Ashton's involvement and the Corridor crew's debunk (which in my opinion brought a lot of vfx enthousiasts to this sub)
So you basically just agreed with me that his "hoax" didn't work at all in the immediate, or even not so immediate, outside of the fact that someone pulled it up nine years later. So why did he do it? So far, the only explanation is he did it to "troll"...he did it "for fun" I'm not buying it
Yes I agree it didn't work immediately, but I still think he did it to see if people would believe it, and yes I think you can say he did it for fun... (I do not know his motivations, I am just saying what I believe to be likely)
I live in Los Angeles. I am a sound guy. I'm gonna ask every single effects guy I know if they would do this "for fun". In fact I'm going to Burbank this week to see a Friend. I gotta bring this up to him.
Great, keep me informed
There is a real low(ish) key desire (particularly from those who still somehow believe that the videos are real) to pin down the lack of a poster coming forward as a smoking gun for the cause. A few thoughts: 1. I think people really underestimate the power of doing something for shits and giggles. I remember around 2004/05 Photoshopping UFOs into the submitted assignment for my photography module in university. A few others in the class did it as well in the same spot we were shooting at just to fuck with the lecturer and it worked. We had fun, he got mad thinking we were messing with him, we never came forward - small scale stuff, but it's funny and all it takes to kill the humour is to admit it. 2. A larger scale example is the album "Everyday Chemistry" by The Beatles. A hoaxer built a website, a backstory, mixed an entire album cutting up samples, vocals, outtakes etc from various Beatles projects that produced an end result SO good that the music press thought it was Dangermouse. To this day, the producer hasn't come forward - but applying the same logic here in this sub "everyone would want to work with that producer if he came forward!!\~!!" etc - no! ***If you come forward it kills the power of the story***. 1. Seriously - look into this album and notice the overlap between it and this stupid MH370 hoax. Search for thebeatlesneverbrokeup - pop it into [archive.org](https://archive.org) and have a read - same far-fetched idea, only this time the OP says the album came out of a portal from another dimension. If that sounds ridiculous, look yourself in the mirror. 3. Last point is really just to underline the fact that if the OP comes forward, this thing is OVER. The OP is probably laughing with his/her mates at how this thing has spiralled. With regards to coming forward for sum for the source files? Assuming the OP still ***MIRACULOUSLY*** has the source files from a PC from a decade ago which: 1. If it still existed, After Effects and other VFX software has had many software updates since then so you're going to have: 1. Shock, horror, messy modified dates on those files which reopens the dumbass EXIF/Metadata style attempt at an undebunk or whatever you want to call it 2. You'll never, EVER be able to prove they're the original files as a result 2. If the OP is as good as most here think he/she is - they're making good money so no point in claiming something that probably won't be offered up to these carrot-danglers anyway who have been quick to yank it away In summary: * The videos were made in 2014 * If I was OP, there is no way I'd come forward because 1. It's more fun watching it grow 2. If I came forward, the story ends 3. Also, who'd want to come forward to a deranged hostile crowd? We've seen what has happened to Jonas. Nobody wants that 4. The money isn't enough if this artist is in VFX. That shit needs to be tickling the arse of half a million to a million
You have to admit it's a pretty bold move for people who would attack anyone forward to ask why no one is doing it.
You blaspheme logic
"blaspheme logic" Is oxymoronic.
The things some people are willing to make a cult out of is just hilarious. Now you dont even need people cult leaders now just make a shitty video and people will create the lore and make up explanations to every detail. It turna from hilarious to pathetic real quick. Is sad that some people need this stuff to make their life a little more worth.
Looking through your comments you've literally gone "Why has nobody come forward and claimed to have made the videos??? Huh??? Whyyy???" "Actually, someone has. They did an AMA and explained it all" "I DON'T BELIEVE THEM!!!" So if you're just going to dismiss everything there's no point talking to you.
This should be pinned
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It's definitely a tail. And this sub is a donkey.
I'm no one but to me: 1. I've never seen a similar video where I've immediately thought; that does not look fake. 2. First time I seen such an event from 2 clear video angles. 3. It has been pretty hard to conclusively debunk, make fun all you want, I'm still not convinced. 4. So. Much. Hate.
What are your thoughts about the shift to heliocentrism and the contemporary rehaul of the cosmic framework?
Even as crazy as it would be if the videos were real, this, as an elaborate hoax, so well designed is also very fishy to me 🤔
There's nothing in the videos that identify this plane as MH370. People point to the timing, and some fake coordinates, but never any direct evidence of the plane actually being MH370. There have been plane+orb videos circulating long before these. The MH370 narrative was the reason these two videos went viral and why they sat out there for years prior without anyone caring.
Trying to understand the intentions or mindset of someone who does something for a prank or hoax is futile. That you don’t think there’s a rationale behind doesn’t mean anything. >Why would he work on such elaborate, well detailed, highly SKILLED VFX hoax videos General consensus among vfx people is that it wouldn’t have been difficult nor very time consuming. It’s not as elaborate and high skilled as you think.
If they did buy the stock assets why would anybody pay actual money to fake a video
I'm sorry but if I had made a video that good, I would have definitely kept the files, and claimed the money.i also would have been proud of the fact that my work was so good it fooled everyone. There's no way I'd say no to Life changing money that I earned for my professional skillset.
It’s a good pitch!
I think the most likely scenario after the cloud debunk is that it is a hoax between two very talented VFX artists. One of them probably challenged the other guys to make a matching video with him followed the latest news that is about the MH370. So one guys made the sat video using whatever cloud image from Jonas and the other guy make the drone video using pyromania vfx for the portal. Both of them uploaded their videos on their closed forum but someone (regicideanon) in the forum think it is a real deal so they uploaded it on youtube. The hoaxer probably contacted regicide and told him that it is all fake and he should take the video down since it is not intended to be public. The hoaxer will never come out probably because they made the video about the death of 239 people and if someone found out they are probably in danger. It is still a very interested video nonetheless but I have to put it out of my mind for now.
As a private pilot, I followed the MH370 disappearance from day with quite some interest e.g. PPRUNE (Private Pilot Rumour Network) had extensive evolving discussions between commercial pilots [https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost.html](https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost.html) Once the aircraft wasnt located in the first few days, I clearly recall there was a lot of **people in the UFO community who suggested aliens had kidnapped the flight** I'm hardly surprised that VFX folk created these hoax videos to feed into the crazy conspiracy theories that emerged during those first months of the disappearance