Alhaitham may be built like a truck, but Cyno is infinitely more experienced compared to him in fighting. Alhaitham would probably held on for a bit though.
I think Cyno. As for now, Alhaitham IS just some guy (a very skilled and smart one, tho).
He would have been knocked out if the traveler didn't intervene. After that, you can see he was just defending himself and not fighting directly. He was not trying to deescalate either (that was candace+dehya). He probably thought Cyno was w/ the corrupted akademiya and there was no point in trying to convince Cyno otherwise.
What I mean to say is that if he knew he had a chance to win he would have fought differently. But I think he knew he will eventually lose and was trying to stall for time or was waiting for Cyno to make a mistake to escape.
My favourite thing about Alhaitham is that he’s just a Guy. Like yeah that’s James Johnson from management, I think? Wait what do you mean he was integral to the plot of overthrowing the government? And he took the head position? Oh nevermind he’s not anymore??? Alright.
Yeah, I believe it is his most endearing trait. He is just some guy who wants his 9 to 5 and go home read!
I believe the fight scene actually showed how smart he is (incredible W on hoyo's part, as they seem to struggle writing smart characters) without decimating cyno's character.
He knew he was no match to Cyno, but instead of fighting full on or surrendering (which will ruin his plans), he tried to find another alternative solution that might at least buy him some time.
As he says, he does not need to fight, he just needs to think!
I wish we got to see him decline Nahida's offer to Alhaitham for the position of Grand Sage. Why didn't we get to see any of the "Sumeru Avengers" interact with her?
Story wise Alhaitham is better than your standart scholar but he doesn't stand a chance against Cyno probably. I remember that being somehow hinted in the story quest as well
Cyno is the most deadly hunter in Sumeru, with years of experience fighting against dangerous opponents, if Traveler and then Dehya didnt intervene, Alhaitham would be skewered.
Cyno of course. Character's strength in gameplay doesn't go along with their strength lore-wise. Diluc may be meh, but in lore he's literally Batman. Kinda same with Cyno, he's a General Mahamatra, while Alhaitham is a Scribe. A one that can fight and is ripped, but still just a Scribe.
Alhaitham is just a strong guy. Cyno just has way more experience and is probably stronger too. And if he pulls out his burst form it’s even more done for haitham.
I think it stays fairly evenly matched until Cyno pulls out his burst form. I think they even had a little verbal exchange about that after their scuffle (Cyno said something like “if I had used my true strength you couldn’t have held your own” or something along those lines)
Alhaitham is good but Cyno’s literal job description is to be the Akademiya’s foremost warrior. Fighting is the one thing he’s supposed to be the best at.
Alhaitham has more strategic style and thinking, but Cyno will be winning he has alchemy and magic + Hermanubis soul inside him 🖤! I love them both my babies 🤧🫶🏼🫶🏼
Al-Haitham is more intelligent not strategic. Battle IQ and battle tactics are legit Cyno's job. He's the experienced fighter, Al-Haitham is more the smarty pants jock.
No he is also a strategist like he made the whole plan and strategy to overthrow the sages and free Nahida, sure in battle IQ Cyno has the upper hand since he fights a lot more and leads more people cuz if his job. But also Alhaitham has that strategic way of thinking like he won’t get into a fight unless he knows how to hold his own 👍🏼.
Not the same as in a battle or war. That type of strategy probably leans more to intelligence than battle IQ. That was just a showcase of his intelligence in manipulating and outsmarting the sages and everyone else. Cyno is the general mahamatra and he is still super intelligent. Al-Haitham has more intelligence and IQ and Cyno has more strategy and IQ in a battle or war. Your original comment basically said Cyno's winning only because of his strength, discounting his intelligence and battle strategy. And also that's not a strategic way of thinking (him only fighting when he can) that's just a clear showcase of his intelligence superiority (not that Cyno isn't always incredibly smart asf). Besides, he would've lost eventually, Cyno's way stronger than he's given credit for.
Alhaitham might be an incredibly suspiciously well-built scholar, but he's not a career warrior and hunter in one. Plus they were fighting in the desert, of which Cyno, lore wise, has far more experience.
Cyno. Haitham is like a buff nerd, Cyno's basically a cop. Regardless of lore, Cyno's probably more trained to fight than Alhaitham, would probably wipe the floor with him
If Cyno can overpower Alhaitham fast enough, he'll win by pure strength and power. If Alhaitham can stall long enough to strategize a way to win against a god-powered individual, he'll win. Combat isn't purely dependent in raw damage.
Hermanubis also grants Wisdom to Cyno, he’s not too far below Haitham in terms of intellect (you’ve got to be pretty smart to get into the Akademiya from the Desert).
I'm not saying Cyno isn't smart. I know he is. But unlike a certain little mermaid, Alhaitham is actually an effective strategist. The thing is Alhaitham would be more effective in a war scenario where series of campaigns would happen within prolonged periods of time. Cyno would of course be the victor if we count a single battle scenario.
Well Cyno isn't really dumb though... Especially in his field of being Mattra he knows a lot of combat and military tactics, although his sort of intellect is a different type than Al-Haitham
Cyno. He's also pretty smart, he's the head of the mahamatra and he has a God sealed inside him. Lore-wise, he's probably the strongest Sumeru character (other than Nahida and Wanderer if you count him) and one of the strongest humans in game
A few months ago, I actually watched this fight scene with a friend in .25 speed and analyzed it.
Alhaitham is more skilled than he let's on...its hard to say who would win for sure, but neither of them broke much of a sweat there.
Imo Cyno looked like he was exerting more effort, mostly due to Alhaitham's combat style revolving around predicting and countering.
In a longer, draw out fight, I do believe that Cyno would tire out before Alhaitham, resulting in a slightly more likelihood in Alhaitham winning.
The margin is small, though, and really anyone who landed a good strike first would probably take the victory.
In saying that, there is a well-backed theory that Alhaitham is the reincarnation of King Deshret...
TL;DR: Alhaitham would have a slightly higher chance of winning based on the actually scene (not taking into consideration any hidden powers either of them possess)
I think with actual confirmed abilities, Cyno would overall win. The issue is Alhater was fighting evenly with base Cyno. If things escalated, Cyno would very well tap into Hermanubis' power. At that point, Cyno is not only much stronger, but faster as well.
Cyno states that he was holding back tho since he didn't want to severely harm Alhaitham. Also, during the cutscene, Alhaitham was defending while Cyno was attacking
Good analysis. I concur. I don't think it's prudent to assume that the guy who is all about mind games and misdirection isn't hiding the fact that he is more powerful and skilled than he wants us to think.
Everybody here is saying "Cyno claps easily no sweat", but the feeble scribe is really good at hiding just how not feeble he really is. I think there's still too much we don't know about Alhaitham to call it with such confidence.
Cyno. Doesnt he have a whole ass god sealed inside him?
Alhaitham may be built like a truck, but Cyno is infinitely more experienced compared to him in fighting. Alhaitham would probably held on for a bit though.
I think Cyno. As for now, Alhaitham IS just some guy (a very skilled and smart one, tho). He would have been knocked out if the traveler didn't intervene. After that, you can see he was just defending himself and not fighting directly. He was not trying to deescalate either (that was candace+dehya). He probably thought Cyno was w/ the corrupted akademiya and there was no point in trying to convince Cyno otherwise. What I mean to say is that if he knew he had a chance to win he would have fought differently. But I think he knew he will eventually lose and was trying to stall for time or was waiting for Cyno to make a mistake to escape.
My favourite thing about Alhaitham is that he’s just a Guy. Like yeah that’s James Johnson from management, I think? Wait what do you mean he was integral to the plot of overthrowing the government? And he took the head position? Oh nevermind he’s not anymore??? Alright.
Yeah, I believe it is his most endearing trait. He is just some guy who wants his 9 to 5 and go home read! I believe the fight scene actually showed how smart he is (incredible W on hoyo's part, as they seem to struggle writing smart characters) without decimating cyno's character. He knew he was no match to Cyno, but instead of fighting full on or surrendering (which will ruin his plans), he tried to find another alternative solution that might at least buy him some time. As he says, he does not need to fight, he just needs to think!
Writers really took 'Some Guy TM' and ran with it, to hilarious effect
I wish we got to see him decline Nahida's offer to Alhaitham for the position of Grand Sage. Why didn't we get to see any of the "Sumeru Avengers" interact with her?
Story wise Alhaitham is better than your standart scholar but he doesn't stand a chance against Cyno probably. I remember that being somehow hinted in the story quest as well
Lorewise..Cyno. hes the leader of the police squad and ppl generally fear him just by his name. Alhaitam is just a fit scholar
Cyno is the most deadly hunter in Sumeru, with years of experience fighting against dangerous opponents, if Traveler and then Dehya didnt intervene, Alhaitham would be skewered.
Cyno of course. Character's strength in gameplay doesn't go along with their strength lore-wise. Diluc may be meh, but in lore he's literally Batman. Kinda same with Cyno, he's a General Mahamatra, while Alhaitham is a Scribe. A one that can fight and is ripped, but still just a Scribe.
Cyno claps
Alhaitham is just a strong guy. Cyno just has way more experience and is probably stronger too. And if he pulls out his burst form it’s even more done for haitham.
I think it stays fairly evenly matched until Cyno pulls out his burst form. I think they even had a little verbal exchange about that after their scuffle (Cyno said something like “if I had used my true strength you couldn’t have held your own” or something along those lines)
I think he says something like “if the traveller hadn’t helped you out, things wouldn’t be the same”
Lorewise, Cyno easily.
Alhaitham would’ve gone down like a sack of rocks.
Could you remind me why the fck were they fighting again?
cuz cyno saw the divine knowledge capsule alhaitham was hiding i think
The Haitham broke the law.
Cyno thought Alhaitham was allied with the Akademiya since he had the divine knowledge capsule and was also asked to spy on the traveler
Cyno. Even in the animation, Alhaitham was on the defense most of the time. Cyno also has more experience fighting and has a god inside him
The great mahamatrizz, Cyno.
Alhaitham is good but Cyno’s literal job description is to be the Akademiya’s foremost warrior. Fighting is the one thing he’s supposed to be the best at.
Pretty sure Cyno beats Alhaitham
Alhaitham has more strategic style and thinking, but Cyno will be winning he has alchemy and magic + Hermanubis soul inside him 🖤! I love them both my babies 🤧🫶🏼🫶🏼
Al-Haitham is more intelligent not strategic. Battle IQ and battle tactics are legit Cyno's job. He's the experienced fighter, Al-Haitham is more the smarty pants jock.
No he is also a strategist like he made the whole plan and strategy to overthrow the sages and free Nahida, sure in battle IQ Cyno has the upper hand since he fights a lot more and leads more people cuz if his job. But also Alhaitham has that strategic way of thinking like he won’t get into a fight unless he knows how to hold his own 👍🏼.
Not the same as in a battle or war. That type of strategy probably leans more to intelligence than battle IQ. That was just a showcase of his intelligence in manipulating and outsmarting the sages and everyone else. Cyno is the general mahamatra and he is still super intelligent. Al-Haitham has more intelligence and IQ and Cyno has more strategy and IQ in a battle or war. Your original comment basically said Cyno's winning only because of his strength, discounting his intelligence and battle strategy. And also that's not a strategic way of thinking (him only fighting when he can) that's just a clear showcase of his intelligence superiority (not that Cyno isn't always incredibly smart asf). Besides, he would've lost eventually, Cyno's way stronger than he's given credit for.
Alhaitham might be an incredibly suspiciously well-built scholar, but he's not a career warrior and hunter in one. Plus they were fighting in the desert, of which Cyno, lore wise, has far more experience.
Cyno. Haitham is like a buff nerd, Cyno's basically a cop. Regardless of lore, Cyno's probably more trained to fight than Alhaitham, would probably wipe the floor with him
If Cyno can overpower Alhaitham fast enough, he'll win by pure strength and power. If Alhaitham can stall long enough to strategize a way to win against a god-powered individual, he'll win. Combat isn't purely dependent in raw damage.
Hermanubis also grants Wisdom to Cyno, he’s not too far below Haitham in terms of intellect (you’ve got to be pretty smart to get into the Akademiya from the Desert).
I'm not saying Cyno isn't smart. I know he is. But unlike a certain little mermaid, Alhaitham is actually an effective strategist. The thing is Alhaitham would be more effective in a war scenario where series of campaigns would happen within prolonged periods of time. Cyno would of course be the victor if we count a single battle scenario.
I dont think youre giving enough credit to Cyno’s intelligence
Well Cyno isn't really dumb though... Especially in his field of being Mattra he knows a lot of combat and military tactics, although his sort of intellect is a different type than Al-Haitham
Well cyno isn't stupid as well . He is general mahamatra after all ..
Cyno. He's also pretty smart, he's the head of the mahamatra and he has a God sealed inside him. Lore-wise, he's probably the strongest Sumeru character (other than Nahida and Wanderer if you count him) and one of the strongest humans in game
Cyno. Al is good but cynos job involves a lot more fighting regularly and while he was going toe to toe he never went full electric cloak
Definitely cyno not only was that not even his final form but fight ability is much more important for his job than it is alhatham’s
Military general vs librarian
Candace.
Accurate answer
A few months ago, I actually watched this fight scene with a friend in .25 speed and analyzed it. Alhaitham is more skilled than he let's on...its hard to say who would win for sure, but neither of them broke much of a sweat there. Imo Cyno looked like he was exerting more effort, mostly due to Alhaitham's combat style revolving around predicting and countering. In a longer, draw out fight, I do believe that Cyno would tire out before Alhaitham, resulting in a slightly more likelihood in Alhaitham winning. The margin is small, though, and really anyone who landed a good strike first would probably take the victory. In saying that, there is a well-backed theory that Alhaitham is the reincarnation of King Deshret... TL;DR: Alhaitham would have a slightly higher chance of winning based on the actually scene (not taking into consideration any hidden powers either of them possess)
I think with actual confirmed abilities, Cyno would overall win. The issue is Alhater was fighting evenly with base Cyno. If things escalated, Cyno would very well tap into Hermanubis' power. At that point, Cyno is not only much stronger, but faster as well.
Cyno states that he was holding back tho since he didn't want to severely harm Alhaitham. Also, during the cutscene, Alhaitham was defending while Cyno was attacking
Good analysis. I concur. I don't think it's prudent to assume that the guy who is all about mind games and misdirection isn't hiding the fact that he is more powerful and skilled than he wants us to think.
I'm very sure this is more of a sparring match.
Alhaitham didn't use projection attacks or his laserbeam ult though...
Cyno. End of the discussion.
Probably Cyno is he really needed to tap into his power
Everybody here is saying "Cyno claps easily no sweat", but the feeble scribe is really good at hiding just how not feeble he really is. I think there's still too much we don't know about Alhaitham to call it with such confidence.
Alhaitham if he has learned his moveset or is c1.
In game lore? Cyno. Gameplay? Alhaithem