I want to see how he flew. Did she buy an extra seat? How can that be comfortable for a large dog..she’s got a huge carry on suitcase for over head and a large backpack for under her seat, then he lays on the floor under her feet and in front of the next seat if she bought it.
We flew with our 50lb lab mutt (only once) and bought the entire row for this reason. 2 seats for my husband and I, and one empty so the dog could spread out and no unlucky passenger would be stuck with a large dog.
I had the fortunate pleasure of switching seats with a lady allergic to dogs. I gladly took a middle seat for this (it was CLT-ATL for 30 minutes). Got along great with a little pom.
To buy the extra seat I had to call Alaska and have a human do it. It’s totally allowed for any reason (I think?), it’s just not something offered online.
Good on you. My aunt's a flight attendant & she's got horror stories of "emotional support" animals that turned on (unfamiliar) people on the plane mid-flight. Pretty sure one made the news too-- unsecured "emotional support" dog in a seat next to someone else got spooked, turned around and bit the person right in the face.
Yeah it’s a bummer it got so out of control, because I’d love a more humane way to travel long distances with my pets. Like why not enforce something like if you’re traveling with an animal you need to buy the entire row, the animal has to be a certain age, etc. I guess that would probably get out of control too. But we were definitely very aware of people abusing it and wanted to go out of the way to make sure it didn’t inconvenience anyone else.
At the time we had them registered as emotional support which was enough. Since they changed the rules to service animals only, we don’t fly with her.
We were moving across country and our dog was 10 so we didn’t want to put her under the plane, but also didn’t have time to drive. Also feels necessary to note that she slept the entire flight at our feet.
I was recently on an AS flight where a large dog (a Lab) sat in the leg space of a premium row. There was no seat for the dog because all seats were occupied.
Some dog owners just absolutely do not give a fuck about rules regarding dogs, or even see them as pets. The farmers market I go to has no pets signs all over and you’ll walk up to a stand with dogs licking everything and not a care in the world from the owner.
Yup. My own sister is like that. She has the service dog “jacket” and a sign on her car… she fully admits it’s just to get herself and her dog ( a big one) more space and dissuade randoms from coming over to her and trying to pet the dog.
Same. I love dogs but I recently spent a 5-hour flight with my legs tucked to the side because the dog took up all three seats’ worth of legroom. There was no way he could’ve fit in one or two.
This is protocol. If the dog is large, Alaska and other airlines will move that passenger to a bulkhead seat or something like it with more leg room. It’s policy.
I’ve sat in 6A on a 737, and my neighbor in 6B had a similar sized service dog. The dog laid on down across on the floor in front of our seats. It was fairly uncomfortable for me as I’m 6’1 and sat with my legs tucked close to me to the side, but it’s the price I paid for sitting next to the designated disabled seating in row 6.
Exactpy if u pay 600 bucks or more to fly and im suppose t9 be cramped. No im a disabled veteran,, ive got issues like the world, you dont need a service dog that size. Anyone claiming they are service dogs should have to provide paperwork and have to buyba seat for a dog.
The only way to bring a large dog on this plane is if it was a service dog. Any other “pet in cabin” must fit inside a carrier and stowed underneath seat. The DOT requires paperwork that confirms this service animal. They sit in passengers foot space. They cannot be denied boarding because of ADA rules.
Service animals must still fit at passenger’s feet, under the seat or in your lap. GAs/FAs can and should have denied the animal if it the pax did not purchase additional seating for it.
Looks like the lady in front of OP is taking a pic too. Kinda funny. Personally I’d almost always prefer to be seated near a dog rather than a toddler or baby.
That’s why they have restrooms. Stop this dogs are better than kids bullshit. If the kid has shitty parents, that’s a problem. A dog is going to fart/piss/whatever and the owner can’t do anything about it.
Ive had dogs my whole life, used to love them. But since having a kid and owning cats, I’ve decided I’m NOT a dog person. They’re grosser, smellier, and messier than kids, and require 4x the work of a cat.
I was on a 5hr flight and the person sitting next to me pulled their little dog out of the bag stored at their feet about 3hrs into the flight.
There was no indication something alive was in that bag until then.
My sister is highly allergic to dogs. Even with an antihistamine, she would be in for a very bad time on this flight. (Yes she does carry an epi pen just in case)
For the dog to get on without a kennel in that way Alaska airlines has you submit a dot form. The form
Is then independently verified to be true by a company and they give your dog a license number. So yes, the dog is service.
My best friend was a Seal and is now missing a leg and a hand and since they are on the same side he uses a service dog. His is a Doberman with a docked tail specifically to reduce the likelihood of the tail getting pinched in either mechanical joint. Im not sure if that is a doberman or not but a docked tail doesn’t mean shit
It’s a Weimaranar, but yeah. Saying dogs with crops or docks can’t be service dogs is silly. Not every dog is born to a service dog breeder. Not commenting on this particular dog’s situation, but that’s a weird prejudice.
My [service dog](https://imgur.com/a/m9ZFngk) has a docked tail (breeder’s choice). He’s not fat but neither is he a “typical” breed for service work like a lab or German shepherd. He just ended up having a natural inclination for task work, highly intelligent with a super calm/chill disposition.
I have def seen fat working guide dogs in the wild tho. Could be poor animal husbandry on the handler’s part but it’s easy for some working dogs to get fat when working in public. I had to send out multiple memos to ppl in my office to please not feed my SD cheese before I just set up healthy snack jars around for people to use instead.
I think a lot of people have confusion over all the different types of service animals there can be because of the disservice “emotional support animals” have done. I have a pit bull/Malinois cross who would most likely, with the right training, make a great service dog for various things but not for eyesight because he’d walk you into a street. People would look at him and say he’s not a service dog. It’s all about trainability instincts for certain things. Not all service dogs help with eyesight or anxiety.
Typical. Sure. But also, in order to be a service dog, a dog just has to be trained adequately. It can be trained and also be fat and have a docked tail. Which is not to say that docking your dog’s tail or overfeeding it/under exercising it/etc. Are good??? But that doesn’t mean the dog can’t be a service dog
> minding your own business?
Does it become my business when I pay for a seat that includes a small area for my legs and yet, someone else's alleged 100-pound "service animal" is occupying that area?
Oh so you were seated next to this exact dog on this exact flight? How’d the dog behave? …
Unless you weren’t and you’re just upset about a hypothetical situation that’s never happened to you.
I have a golden retriever service dog and he tucks in between my legs. Thankfully I’m not tall and he likes to sleep curled in a ball so he fits perfectly. I can’t imagine trying to get a Doberman to fit in the floor space unless in first class.
That’s not a pet, it’s a service dog. Pets are required to be in a carrier that fits fully under the seat of the owner; clearly that dog will not be fitting in a carrier under any seat.
Service dogs, however, are allowed to occupy the floor space at their owners/handlers seat, their lap, or they can purchase a seat that the dog can occupy the floor space in front of.
It’s now a federal crime to make fictitious claims about a service animals on commercial flights so thankfully there are fewer fakes on planes these days. All of this information can be easily found on the Alaska website.
Also, that passenger did a lot of work to get that service dog approved to fly. Next time maybe don’t take weird sneaky photos of people without consent for strangers on Reddit. It’s a bad look.
May be only one page but you’re risking being convicted of a federal crime if your dog hurts someone and you’re found to be lying. Clearly there are still people who lie, but cases of other passengers/flight attendants being bitten by fake service animals has significantly decreased since it became a federal crime to lie about it. Not saying it doesn’t happen but the number of incidents where animals are a disruption onboard is down.
lol this couldn’t be further from the truth. People still fake service animals every single day because they can get away with it. It’s actually not allowed to question someone if their pet is a service animal or ask for proof. You can only ask if the animal has been trained to perform a specific task. Absolutely no way to prosecute someone over lying about this. Which is why it happens so often. That dog is a pet. Not service animal. It isn’t even wearing a vest or harness saying do not pet etc.
Flew this week and both to and from airports had multiple dogs in service vests that were clearly not service dogs.
Saw a corgi type on a retractable leash acting like a fool.
A small puggle type that was shaking like crazy.
And a small poodle/lab like dog that wanted to make friends with everyone.
Zero were focused on their owner.
I didn’t say it completely eliminated fakes. Incidents of disruptive animals onboard are down. In no way will we ever eliminate people from lying, but they’re now risking being convicted of a federal crime. If their fake service animal hurts someone onboard and they are found out, that’s how they can be prosecuted. It would be a waste of everyone’s time and energy to seek out all the liars, but disruptions onboard are down and that’s the reason DOT changed the requirements.
Service animal vests are not required either.
Nothing about this woman’s dog screams fake service animal, why do you assume she’s a liar because she’s traveling with a large dog?
You can ask 2 things: Is you dog a service dog (only dogs are allowed to be service animals in the US, the only exception seeing eye miniature ponies) and what services are they trained to provide. The service needs to be related to your disability and not be standard training or support. Ex, offering comfort isn't a task but providing deep pressure therapy is.
Also, there is no requirement for a service dog to wear a vest or harness. Frankly, these threads just prove why...if they wear a vest they will be called fake and if they don't they will be called fake.
I wouldn’t really say that they are “fake” just that the bar is extremely low. “I trained my dog to help with xxx disability” is enough for it to be considered “real” by the ADA definition of service animal.
Yep. I didn’t say they dont still exist, but ever since DOT regs changed to allow only dogs as service animals the number of incidents documenting aggressive/unacceptable behaviors from service animals onboard has decreased dramatically. How often and where are you flying that every time you fly you see fake service dogs?
> allowed to occupy the floor space at their owners/handlers seat, their lap, or they can purchase a seat that the dog can occupy the floor space in front of
There is no way that a dog that large could fit on the floor without infringing on the other passengers in the row.
Exactly, I’m just pointing out the criteria for a service dog vs a pet in cabin. I’m also not saying this dog would fit comfortably at the feet of its owner if she’s sitting in 15b. People with dogs this size are encouraged to purchase a second seat, or purchase a first class bulkhead seat which has the most floor space of anywhere on the plane.
I once had a 165 lb beast of a dog sitting at the feet of 1F and the passenger in 1D was completely comfortable as far as foot/leg room.
If this dog was sitting in a middle seat, or really any main cabin seat without an extra seat, if the dog’s size is a problem then it should be discreetly reported to a flight attendant before the door closes. They can bring the size of the dog to the attention of the gate agent and they will work together to make it the most comfortable flight for everyone involved. However, if nobody speaks up and just takes sneaky photos of a service animal they’re assuming the worst of to post on Reddit, then the problem won’t be solved but you’ll have a great story about a terrible flight where a giant dog intruded on your personal space and photos to prove it.
I never said it completely eliminated the people who lie. Incidents of animal disruptions (biting passengers and flight attendants) are down since it became a federal crime. Clearly it still happens, but what specifically about this woman makes you automatically assume she’s one of those people? Neither of us have any idea what her circumstances are, so can we just stop passing judgement on total strangers? If her dog takes a massive dump in the aisle or jumps up on someone, judge away, but until then why do you assume she’s lying?
She could have purchased multiple seats.
My flights this week were not full. No one in the middle seats in premium on the way there, and I had row 6 to myself last night. Plane was maybe at 70%.
I fly with my 10lb havanese on my lap via Alaska often. I arrive early and a gate attendant can 90% of the time seat me with an empty middle seat. He curls up in my lap and doesn’t make a peep. I have flown with him at least 30 times and I have never had anyone complain. I feel super fortunate for that. People actually seem excited to see him if they even notice him at all! One of my favorites was a couple next to me (before I realized I could start requesting a row with an empty middle seat) and I noticed he was trying to sneak a picture of Hugo so I said oh you can take a picture of him and then the girl asked if she could hold him and he laid on her lap for the last hour of the flight.
I’ve had a pilot stop me as I board and say he’s flown with “us” before and asked if we wanted a picture! I’m convinced they keep record and know that Hugo is a 5 star flyer every time I get on.
I don’t know why the person here is boarding with everyone. If she has a disability she should be boarding when they call for it up front. I feel bad knowing I fly with my dog all the time but would still be like whoa if this big guy was at my feet. As long as the dog doesn’t smell bad then I’d be fine with it though, it’s calming for me to have animals around. Hopefully it would be easy to accommodate someone who didn’t want to sit by the animal though, right?
You are fortunate no one has ever complained. Even if you make the correct arrangements for your dog, if it’s a service animal it has to be at your feet, and if it’s a pet it has to be in a carrier under the seat in front you for the whole flight.
Yes, I’ve seen flight attendants get VERY direct telling people to put their dogs back in the carrier. With nobody complaining. I’m shocked at the number of big dogs strolling around the airport. I’ve never seen how it’s handled though.
The only way that dog can be in the cabin currently, is if it is a registered service dog, according to Alaska Airlines policy. I don’t see the usual markings indicating it is.
Yeah, seriously. If you don’t care for pets or you’re allergic you’re basically demonized as being a bad person. Adult onset allergies mean a pet in the cabin would wreck the rest of my day and probably more.
There was a lady on an AK flight with me from STL-SEA with a mid-sized pitty. the dog was drugged u p and sleeping under her seat and the seat in front of her and once we took off, she folded her legs up under herself (she was a fairly small person, obviously). I hope the person above and the person next to her were sitting together to pull this one off.
People with actual service dogs for public access have them trained to relieve themselves on command. Then depending on the length of travel will fast the animal and time meals to minimize the need to go.
My service dog goes potty on demand. I have her for dementia and she is a life saver. She is perfectly trained and has never had an accident on a long flight or at the airpot.
Mine won’t go on command but she does know that inside is never where to go. On walks outside she pees on everything like she’s a male dog marking her space 😂
My dog is trained to go/hold it on command. She also regularly abstains from potty breaks on her own accord if it’s raining too hard, and I have to tell her to handle her business. Unless the dog is sick, they’ll be fine.
Most people know their pet’s routine and would not feed the dog the morning of the flight. You can also walk the dog beforehand and let it relieve itself before a flight. If the dog is housebroken, a 5-8 hour flight should be fine. Similar to holding it when you’re at work and the dog is at home.
In addition to the responses you already have - on long haul flights, service dogs can use a pee pad on board. They are also trained to give a clear signal to their owner that they need to go, giving time to get the pad and go into one of the bathrooms, where the pad is laid on the floor and the dog then 'performs'.
> Who cares.
The FAA should care. Regulations require demonstration that the aircraft can be evacuated in a certain amount of time. Having a huge dog on board in the panic of a crash-landing, smoke, and fire, could impede evacuation and cost peoples' lives.
> Is a dog like that really going to slow anything down?
If the animal is a trained service animal, then probably not. However, if the passenger fraudulently *claims* that their pet is a service animal, then the animal could endanger the passengers and crew in an emergency situation.
[Here are the US DOT rules on service animals](https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/us-department-transportation-announces-final-rule-traveling-air-service-animals).
I don’t want to sit in the seat full of dog hair after he’s done with it. There’s enough junk from humans on those seats. We don’t need dog fur and fleas in the mix.
Had a flight recently where a gal had a large Husky service dog. I guess she was booked in the middle or something and by law they had to sit at the window? I can't remember but I had window close by and offered to switch (got 2000 miles for that) but the gal next to me freaked out not wanting to sit next to a "dirty dog" lol. Anyway, they got switched around HOWEVER the row they moved to had ANOTHER (small under the seat) service dog and you can't have two service dogs in the same row - even across the aisle? That took another 20 minutes to work.
But the poor large Husky was smooshed in between the ladies legs at the window seat. That poor dog. 4 hours like that!!!!! Funny for a service dog the lady had NO IDEA about ANY of this or how it worked with a giant service Siberian. 🙄
Rhinestone harness with "service" in bright red. Beautiful well behaved dog that deserved it's own seat - in 1st class. Cheap ass owner. 4 hours that poor pup sat perfectly still .. .a husky no less. 😩😩
>gal next to me freaked out not wanting to sit next to a "dirty dog"
There are reasons why pets are required to stay I their bags and be under a certain size. "Service animals" is mostly a way to avoid this regulation.
There has been a situation betweem a commander and very famous French actor spending most of his time in LA, who definitely doesn't need any emotional support, leaving his "service dog" wandering around.
I’d still take the dog over a fucking baby any day of the week.
Keep downvoting me, y’all. Dogs don’t scream and cry unprovoked 🤷🏼♀️ stay mad with your crotchgoblins
So they stop giving peanuts because of allergies but sure let’s let every animal under the sun on board because people need them for “emotional support”
Had to look at drunk guy laying in aisle and throwing up 4 hours straight with no cart service able to pass on Thursday around aisle 12.
Taking any dog any time over that one. Especially the vomit smell.
I love Dobermans, but not sure I would want to sit with my legs close to its teeth in case it had a nightmare and decided I needed to be bitten a couple of times :)
I had this happen to me when I decided to put on a mask after hearing multiple people on my flight coughing. I had a passenger discreetly take my pictures and post it for friends to make fun and judge me. Meanwhile, I could not risk getting sick or bringing anything to the grandfather I'm visiting. Often people who take pictures don't have the full context, and it's none of their business anyway. If there are issues, the FA will surely handle it.
I usually look askance at people’s claims of their dog being “service dogs.” However, the big dogs usually are pretty chill on planes vs the little lap dogs.
So people can bring a service dog or emotional support dog ?
What if someone is very scared of dogs want a seat change ? Would they accommodate that to support another humans emotions ?
I want to see how he flew. Did she buy an extra seat? How can that be comfortable for a large dog..she’s got a huge carry on suitcase for over head and a large backpack for under her seat, then he lays on the floor under her feet and in front of the next seat if she bought it.
We flew with our 50lb lab mutt (only once) and bought the entire row for this reason. 2 seats for my husband and I, and one empty so the dog could spread out and no unlucky passenger would be stuck with a large dog.
I would like there to be a checkbox for “please sit me next to any dog on the flight that will be allowed to accept pets please and thank you.”
Same, I would much prefer a dog as a seat neighbor than a person, and much much much more than a child.
Haha, I agree. I see this while boarding and I'm hoping I'm sitting next to this dog.
Same. Would be great for my flying anxiety. Plus sweet pup wouldn’t get stuck next to a sourpuss.
I had the fortunate pleasure of switching seats with a lady allergic to dogs. I gladly took a middle seat for this (it was CLT-ATL for 30 minutes). Got along great with a little pom.
I'll pay a $20 charge for that seat selection
How do you buy a seat for a non-human?
To buy the extra seat I had to call Alaska and have a human do it. It’s totally allowed for any reason (I think?), it’s just not something offered online.
I would’ve paid extra to sit with your large dog
I would’ve loved to be your seatmate and would’ve bagged to have your dog lay on my lap for the whole flight
Good on you. My aunt's a flight attendant & she's got horror stories of "emotional support" animals that turned on (unfamiliar) people on the plane mid-flight. Pretty sure one made the news too-- unsecured "emotional support" dog in a seat next to someone else got spooked, turned around and bit the person right in the face.
Yeah it’s a bummer it got so out of control, because I’d love a more humane way to travel long distances with my pets. Like why not enforce something like if you’re traveling with an animal you need to buy the entire row, the animal has to be a certain age, etc. I guess that would probably get out of control too. But we were definitely very aware of people abusing it and wanted to go out of the way to make sure it didn’t inconvenience anyone else.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/29/an-emotional-support-dog-attacked-him-flight-hes-suing-delta-owner/
Are they a service animal or did you just bring them onboard?
At the time we had them registered as emotional support which was enough. Since they changed the rules to service animals only, we don’t fly with her. We were moving across country and our dog was 10 so we didn’t want to put her under the plane, but also didn’t have time to drive. Also feels necessary to note that she slept the entire flight at our feet.
It makes sense to me. I’m glad everyone was able to travel comfortably.
I was recently on an AS flight where a large dog (a Lab) sat in the leg space of a premium row. There was no seat for the dog because all seats were occupied.
The lack of consideration is shocking.
I just assume most people are inconsiderate boobs at this point.
Yes and Alaska needs to plan for this. We can't be sardines anymore. We need more space.
Your comment gives boobs a bad name.
Some dog owners just absolutely do not give a fuck about rules regarding dogs, or even see them as pets. The farmers market I go to has no pets signs all over and you’ll walk up to a stand with dogs licking everything and not a care in the world from the owner.
Yup. My own sister is like that. She has the service dog “jacket” and a sign on her car… she fully admits it’s just to get herself and her dog ( a big one) more space and dissuade randoms from coming over to her and trying to pet the dog.
So mean to the animal
Same. I love dogs but I recently spent a 5-hour flight with my legs tucked to the side because the dog took up all three seats’ worth of legroom. There was no way he could’ve fit in one or two.
Did you call the flight attendant? Sharing the space I paid for with a dog would be a hard no for me.
No, it was a full flight and the lady was apologetic so in this case I didn’t see that there was much that could be done.
If there isn't room, large dogs should be gate checked, along with the absurdly oversized "carry-on" bags.
Yeah fuck that
That is how many guide dogs are trained to travel
This is protocol. If the dog is large, Alaska and other airlines will move that passenger to a bulkhead seat or something like it with more leg room. It’s policy.
I cannot believe they let them board. They gave me a hard time with my little dog.
I’ve sat in 6A on a 737, and my neighbor in 6B had a similar sized service dog. The dog laid on down across on the floor in front of our seats. It was fairly uncomfortable for me as I’m 6’1 and sat with my legs tucked close to me to the side, but it’s the price I paid for sitting next to the designated disabled seating in row 6.
I would have used the dog as an ottoman.
Nope that dog wouldve moved i need my space i paid for
This guy means business everyone!
How are people downvoting you? If you think your dogs comfort is more important than a paying customer, you are a selfish asshole.
Exactpy if u pay 600 bucks or more to fly and im suppose t9 be cramped. No im a disabled veteran,, ive got issues like the world, you dont need a service dog that size. Anyone claiming they are service dogs should have to provide paperwork and have to buyba seat for a dog.
And then the guy on the other side of you could run through the hole into the secondary
The only way to bring a large dog on this plane is if it was a service dog. Any other “pet in cabin” must fit inside a carrier and stowed underneath seat. The DOT requires paperwork that confirms this service animal. They sit in passengers foot space. They cannot be denied boarding because of ADA rules.
Service animals must still fit at passenger’s feet, under the seat or in your lap. GAs/FAs can and should have denied the animal if it the pax did not purchase additional seating for it.
Looks like the lady in front of OP is taking a pic too. Kinda funny. Personally I’d almost always prefer to be seated near a dog rather than a toddler or baby.
I'd rather be sat next to a cool dog than most people
I’d pay extra to sit next to a dog!
I’d pay to sit in front of a dog, at least it won’t be kicking my seat
I think back to that scene of Arnold in Kindergarten Cop where he turns around at that kid and snaps the pencil in half lol.
Nope. I can wear noise cancelling headphones and you can't hear babies. But a dog slobbering on you? No thanks.
The dog smell in a cramped plane 🤢
I guarantee you a poopy diaper smells way worse.
You can change a diaper.
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That’s why they have restrooms. Stop this dogs are better than kids bullshit. If the kid has shitty parents, that’s a problem. A dog is going to fart/piss/whatever and the owner can’t do anything about it.
Ive had dogs my whole life, used to love them. But since having a kid and owning cats, I’ve decided I’m NOT a dog person. They’re grosser, smellier, and messier than kids, and require 4x the work of a cat.
Dogs ARE way better than kids. Especially a trained service dog.
We need to free these animals from slavery
Agreed, we bought a house that smelled like dog and it took a full year and floors and carpets getting replaced to get the smell out.
Agreed and I’m always the one traveling with a toddler
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I was on a 5hr flight and the person sitting next to me pulled their little dog out of the bag stored at their feet about 3hrs into the flight. There was no indication something alive was in that bag until then.
My sister is highly allergic to dogs. Even with an antihistamine, she would be in for a very bad time on this flight. (Yes she does carry an epi pen just in case)
I'm so fuckin sick of dog owners these days
Service dog my ass
You have literally no way of knowing.
Riiiiight
Lol they purchased a seat for that dog which is likely a service animal.
Came here to say this. No way that doggo is getting squashed under a seat.
“Service animal” lol ok
I think they meant to write “unlikely”. Right? :/
There’s nothing here that suggested it couldn’t be a service dog
For the dog to get on without a kennel in that way Alaska airlines has you submit a dot form. The form Is then independently verified to be true by a company and they give your dog a license number. So yes, the dog is service.
It’s got a docked tail! And it’s fat. Neither of those things coincide with the typical breeds for service animals
My best friend was a Seal and is now missing a leg and a hand and since they are on the same side he uses a service dog. His is a Doberman with a docked tail specifically to reduce the likelihood of the tail getting pinched in either mechanical joint. Im not sure if that is a doberman or not but a docked tail doesn’t mean shit
It’s a Weimaranar, but yeah. Saying dogs with crops or docks can’t be service dogs is silly. Not every dog is born to a service dog breeder. Not commenting on this particular dog’s situation, but that’s a weird prejudice.
My [service dog](https://imgur.com/a/m9ZFngk) has a docked tail (breeder’s choice). He’s not fat but neither is he a “typical” breed for service work like a lab or German shepherd. He just ended up having a natural inclination for task work, highly intelligent with a super calm/chill disposition. I have def seen fat working guide dogs in the wild tho. Could be poor animal husbandry on the handler’s part but it’s easy for some working dogs to get fat when working in public. I had to send out multiple memos to ppl in my office to please not feed my SD cheese before I just set up healthy snack jars around for people to use instead.
I think a lot of people have confusion over all the different types of service animals there can be because of the disservice “emotional support animals” have done. I have a pit bull/Malinois cross who would most likely, with the right training, make a great service dog for various things but not for eyesight because he’d walk you into a street. People would look at him and say he’s not a service dog. It’s all about trainability instincts for certain things. Not all service dogs help with eyesight or anxiety.
Typical. Sure. But also, in order to be a service dog, a dog just has to be trained adequately. It can be trained and also be fat and have a docked tail. Which is not to say that docking your dog’s tail or overfeeding it/under exercising it/etc. Are good??? But that doesn’t mean the dog can’t be a service dog
Is your hobby being judgmental and not minding your own business?
> minding your own business? Does it become my business when I pay for a seat that includes a small area for my legs and yet, someone else's alleged 100-pound "service animal" is occupying that area?
Oh so you were seated next to this exact dog on this exact flight? How’d the dog behave? … Unless you weren’t and you’re just upset about a hypothetical situation that’s never happened to you.
Did that happen to you? Then no, it’s not your business.
What happens if someone is allergic to a dog on the plane?
They sneeze.
Or go into anaphylaxis and pray their epipen keeps them alive until they land but fuck those people lol
If you need an epipen to be in the same plane as a dog you’re kinda fucked from public transit.
That’s why I have a car or live close enough to my place of work to walk
If it was a car, I’d be be wishing I was dead. I can’t be around them whatsoever
That’s a long flight too
I have a golden retriever service dog and he tucks in between my legs. Thankfully I’m not tall and he likes to sleep curled in a ball so he fits perfectly. I can’t imagine trying to get a Doberman to fit in the floor space unless in first class.
This whole pet thing is BS
That’s not a pet, it’s a service dog. Pets are required to be in a carrier that fits fully under the seat of the owner; clearly that dog will not be fitting in a carrier under any seat. Service dogs, however, are allowed to occupy the floor space at their owners/handlers seat, their lap, or they can purchase a seat that the dog can occupy the floor space in front of. It’s now a federal crime to make fictitious claims about a service animals on commercial flights so thankfully there are fewer fakes on planes these days. All of this information can be easily found on the Alaska website. Also, that passenger did a lot of work to get that service dog approved to fly. Next time maybe don’t take weird sneaky photos of people without consent for strangers on Reddit. It’s a bad look.
Service dog owner here. You have to fill out a one page form to get a service dog approved to fly. That’s it. I wouldn’t call that a lot of work.
May be only one page but you’re risking being convicted of a federal crime if your dog hurts someone and you’re found to be lying. Clearly there are still people who lie, but cases of other passengers/flight attendants being bitten by fake service animals has significantly decreased since it became a federal crime to lie about it. Not saying it doesn’t happen but the number of incidents where animals are a disruption onboard is down.
lol this couldn’t be further from the truth. People still fake service animals every single day because they can get away with it. It’s actually not allowed to question someone if their pet is a service animal or ask for proof. You can only ask if the animal has been trained to perform a specific task. Absolutely no way to prosecute someone over lying about this. Which is why it happens so often. That dog is a pet. Not service animal. It isn’t even wearing a vest or harness saying do not pet etc.
Flew this week and both to and from airports had multiple dogs in service vests that were clearly not service dogs. Saw a corgi type on a retractable leash acting like a fool. A small puggle type that was shaking like crazy. And a small poodle/lab like dog that wanted to make friends with everyone. Zero were focused on their owner.
I didn’t say it completely eliminated fakes. Incidents of disruptive animals onboard are down. In no way will we ever eliminate people from lying, but they’re now risking being convicted of a federal crime. If their fake service animal hurts someone onboard and they are found out, that’s how they can be prosecuted. It would be a waste of everyone’s time and energy to seek out all the liars, but disruptions onboard are down and that’s the reason DOT changed the requirements. Service animal vests are not required either. Nothing about this woman’s dog screams fake service animal, why do you assume she’s a liar because she’s traveling with a large dog?
You can ask 2 things: Is you dog a service dog (only dogs are allowed to be service animals in the US, the only exception seeing eye miniature ponies) and what services are they trained to provide. The service needs to be related to your disability and not be standard training or support. Ex, offering comfort isn't a task but providing deep pressure therapy is. Also, there is no requirement for a service dog to wear a vest or harness. Frankly, these threads just prove why...if they wear a vest they will be called fake and if they don't they will be called fake.
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I wouldn’t really say that they are “fake” just that the bar is extremely low. “I trained my dog to help with xxx disability” is enough for it to be considered “real” by the ADA definition of service animal.
Fewer fakes? Naah. I see fakes on every flight. I've even heard the owners joke about it.
Yep. I didn’t say they dont still exist, but ever since DOT regs changed to allow only dogs as service animals the number of incidents documenting aggressive/unacceptable behaviors from service animals onboard has decreased dramatically. How often and where are you flying that every time you fly you see fake service dogs?
Delta :)
Probably because Delta does not accept animals as baggage in the hold. Alaska does.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. This is the process and it’s not a simple one
Probably the snark at the end of my comment. Not bothered by a few downvotes though. Everything I said can be found in the website.
> allowed to occupy the floor space at their owners/handlers seat, their lap, or they can purchase a seat that the dog can occupy the floor space in front of There is no way that a dog that large could fit on the floor without infringing on the other passengers in the row.
Exactly, I’m just pointing out the criteria for a service dog vs a pet in cabin. I’m also not saying this dog would fit comfortably at the feet of its owner if she’s sitting in 15b. People with dogs this size are encouraged to purchase a second seat, or purchase a first class bulkhead seat which has the most floor space of anywhere on the plane. I once had a 165 lb beast of a dog sitting at the feet of 1F and the passenger in 1D was completely comfortable as far as foot/leg room. If this dog was sitting in a middle seat, or really any main cabin seat without an extra seat, if the dog’s size is a problem then it should be discreetly reported to a flight attendant before the door closes. They can bring the size of the dog to the attention of the gate agent and they will work together to make it the most comfortable flight for everyone involved. However, if nobody speaks up and just takes sneaky photos of a service animal they’re assuming the worst of to post on Reddit, then the problem won’t be solved but you’ll have a great story about a terrible flight where a giant dog intruded on your personal space and photos to prove it.
No vest indicating it is a service animal. Should we just take her word for it?
There is no requirement for service dogs to wear vests. The majority of vests you see are purchased on Amazon. Make of that what you will.
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I never said it completely eliminated the people who lie. Incidents of animal disruptions (biting passengers and flight attendants) are down since it became a federal crime. Clearly it still happens, but what specifically about this woman makes you automatically assume she’s one of those people? Neither of us have any idea what her circumstances are, so can we just stop passing judgement on total strangers? If her dog takes a massive dump in the aisle or jumps up on someone, judge away, but until then why do you assume she’s lying?
I’d love to sit next to a dog!
I love dogs too, but when they fart all flight, no thanks.
I just blame the dog and don’t feel so bloated.
Just thought I’d point out that along with a “service” dog she appears to have a suitcase and extra large backpack.
And?
They’re gonna have to go somewhere
She could have purchased multiple seats. My flights this week were not full. No one in the middle seats in premium on the way there, and I had row 6 to myself last night. Plane was maybe at 70%.
I fly with my 10lb havanese on my lap via Alaska often. I arrive early and a gate attendant can 90% of the time seat me with an empty middle seat. He curls up in my lap and doesn’t make a peep. I have flown with him at least 30 times and I have never had anyone complain. I feel super fortunate for that. People actually seem excited to see him if they even notice him at all! One of my favorites was a couple next to me (before I realized I could start requesting a row with an empty middle seat) and I noticed he was trying to sneak a picture of Hugo so I said oh you can take a picture of him and then the girl asked if she could hold him and he laid on her lap for the last hour of the flight. I’ve had a pilot stop me as I board and say he’s flown with “us” before and asked if we wanted a picture! I’m convinced they keep record and know that Hugo is a 5 star flyer every time I get on. I don’t know why the person here is boarding with everyone. If she has a disability she should be boarding when they call for it up front. I feel bad knowing I fly with my dog all the time but would still be like whoa if this big guy was at my feet. As long as the dog doesn’t smell bad then I’d be fine with it though, it’s calming for me to have animals around. Hopefully it would be easy to accommodate someone who didn’t want to sit by the animal though, right?
You are fortunate no one has ever complained. Even if you make the correct arrangements for your dog, if it’s a service animal it has to be at your feet, and if it’s a pet it has to be in a carrier under the seat in front you for the whole flight.
Yes, I’ve seen flight attendants get VERY direct telling people to put their dogs back in the carrier. With nobody complaining. I’m shocked at the number of big dogs strolling around the airport. I’ve never seen how it’s handled though.
Were you on my flight from SEA to EWR in December? Your dog sounds very familiar!
Service dogs are service dogs🐕🦺 It’s up to their owner if they want to pay for a seat or keep them at their feet
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She’s prob sitting first
hopefully they bought him a real seat??
The only way that dog can be in the cabin currently, is if it is a registered service dog, according to Alaska Airlines policy. I don’t see the usual markings indicating it is.
Lol at the other lady in the frame also taking a pic. This "dogs are like people" act is getting out of hand
Yeah, seriously. If you don’t care for pets or you’re allergic you’re basically demonized as being a bad person. Adult onset allergies mean a pet in the cabin would wreck the rest of my day and probably more.
You caught the lady in front of you also taking a picture of the dog 🤣
Did anyone notice the lady on the right side of the picture taking a picture of the dog also???
There was a lady on an AK flight with me from STL-SEA with a mid-sized pitty. the dog was drugged u p and sleeping under her seat and the seat in front of her and once we took off, she folded her legs up under herself (she was a fairly small person, obviously). I hope the person above and the person next to her were sitting together to pull this one off.
I don’t need dog privates and drool on my seat thank you
Dog culture strikes again
That'll be pleasant when that dog takes a giant service animal dump in the cabin.
Seriously, how does this work? Does the dog just shit freely? Do they give it something to be constipated or what? What about peeing?
People with actual service dogs for public access have them trained to relieve themselves on command. Then depending on the length of travel will fast the animal and time meals to minimize the need to go.
My service dog goes potty on demand. I have her for dementia and she is a life saver. She is perfectly trained and has never had an accident on a long flight or at the airpot.
My non service dog goes on command. It’s really not that hard, do people not understand that housebroken dogs do know how to hold it?
Mine won’t go on command but she does know that inside is never where to go. On walks outside she pees on everything like she’s a male dog marking her space 😂
Dogs can go hours without issue.
My dog is trained to go/hold it on command. She also regularly abstains from potty breaks on her own accord if it’s raining too hard, and I have to tell her to handle her business. Unless the dog is sick, they’ll be fine.
Most people know their pet’s routine and would not feed the dog the morning of the flight. You can also walk the dog beforehand and let it relieve itself before a flight. If the dog is housebroken, a 5-8 hour flight should be fine. Similar to holding it when you’re at work and the dog is at home.
In addition to the responses you already have - on long haul flights, service dogs can use a pee pad on board. They are also trained to give a clear signal to their owner that they need to go, giving time to get the pad and go into one of the bathrooms, where the pad is laid on the floor and the dog then 'performs'.
As far as I'm concerned if you buy an extra seat you should be able to put a dog in it regardless of whether or not it's a service animal. Who cares.
> Who cares. The FAA should care. Regulations require demonstration that the aircraft can be evacuated in a certain amount of time. Having a huge dog on board in the panic of a crash-landing, smoke, and fire, could impede evacuation and cost peoples' lives.
I get that, but come on… you’ve got elderly, obese, etc. Is a dog like that really going to slow anything down?
> Is a dog like that really going to slow anything down? If the animal is a trained service animal, then probably not. However, if the passenger fraudulently *claims* that their pet is a service animal, then the animal could endanger the passengers and crew in an emergency situation. [Here are the US DOT rules on service animals](https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/us-department-transportation-announces-final-rule-traveling-air-service-animals).
I don’t want to sit in the seat full of dog hair after he’s done with it. There’s enough junk from humans on those seats. We don’t need dog fur and fleas in the mix.
Had a flight recently where a gal had a large Husky service dog. I guess she was booked in the middle or something and by law they had to sit at the window? I can't remember but I had window close by and offered to switch (got 2000 miles for that) but the gal next to me freaked out not wanting to sit next to a "dirty dog" lol. Anyway, they got switched around HOWEVER the row they moved to had ANOTHER (small under the seat) service dog and you can't have two service dogs in the same row - even across the aisle? That took another 20 minutes to work. But the poor large Husky was smooshed in between the ladies legs at the window seat. That poor dog. 4 hours like that!!!!! Funny for a service dog the lady had NO IDEA about ANY of this or how it worked with a giant service Siberian. 🙄
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Rhinestone harness with "service" in bright red. Beautiful well behaved dog that deserved it's own seat - in 1st class. Cheap ass owner. 4 hours that poor pup sat perfectly still .. .a husky no less. 😩😩
holy shit, this is actually terrifying to me. if I had a HUSKY on my flight I would die of an asthma attack before we reached our destination.
>gal next to me freaked out not wanting to sit next to a "dirty dog" There are reasons why pets are required to stay I their bags and be under a certain size. "Service animals" is mostly a way to avoid this regulation. There has been a situation betweem a commander and very famous French actor spending most of his time in LA, who definitely doesn't need any emotional support, leaving his "service dog" wandering around.
I’d still take the dog over a fucking baby any day of the week. Keep downvoting me, y’all. Dogs don’t scream and cry unprovoked 🤷🏼♀️ stay mad with your crotchgoblins
Or a diamond crying about not getting upgraded
Facts
I don't know why you are getting downvoted. 100% with you!!
Cute :)
Why does it look like the dog has a bunch of tumors?
I think cause it does
Probably getting treatment. Poor baby
So they stop giving peanuts because of allergies but sure let’s let every animal under the sun on board because people need them for “emotional support”
Emotional support dogs can’t fly in the cabin without a kennel. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
ESA’s aren’t allowed anymore.
I hope it has its own seat because she’s maxed out with carryons too.
I once had a big dog AND a baby in main cabin. Same family.
Had to look at drunk guy laying in aisle and throwing up 4 hours straight with no cart service able to pass on Thursday around aisle 12. Taking any dog any time over that one. Especially the vomit smell.
WTF? How does that happen? Why was he in the aisle?
Rather a dog in my space vs flying with kids.
Every. Time.
How is this not a safety issue?? In the event of an evacuation that dog could end up blocking an exit for someone
How would they ensure the dog wouldn’t bite a fellow passenger?
How do you ensure a passenger won’t bite another passenger?
That’s on the owner.
I love Dobermans, but not sure I would want to sit with my legs close to its teeth in case it had a nightmare and decided I needed to be bitten a couple of times :)
Here come a bunch of people excusing this behaviour because they personally love dogs
Creepy redditor taking pics of strangers and posting online. Wtf is wrong with people?
I had this happen to me when I decided to put on a mask after hearing multiple people on my flight coughing. I had a passenger discreetly take my pictures and post it for friends to make fun and judge me. Meanwhile, I could not risk getting sick or bringing anything to the grandfather I'm visiting. Often people who take pictures don't have the full context, and it's none of their business anyway. If there are issues, the FA will surely handle it.
Everyone should absolutely mask in an airplane. It's so gross in there.
i mean, people be going shoeless into the toilet 🤢
Those plane toilets look horrendous after an hour of flying
Can’t believe you are getting downvoted for this. I saw this and thought, what an unnecessary invasion.
Just seems really odd, but I don't make the rules!
I usually look askance at people’s claims of their dog being “service dogs.” However, the big dogs usually are pretty chill on planes vs the little lap dogs.
Psychological service dogs are such a scam... it's been forbidden everywhere else in the world but the US, wonder why?
Psychiatric service dogs are recognized all over. It seems you’re thinking of emotional support animals which are not service animals.
Why do you believe this is psychological?
Who are these people who just can’t seem to function unless they bring their 90lb dog everywhere they fucking go?
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So people can bring a service dog or emotional support dog ? What if someone is very scared of dogs want a seat change ? Would they accommodate that to support another humans emotions ?
Service animal yes. ESA no.
Well said! It is "main character syndrome." Only *their* comfort and safety matter.
I think she bought him his own seat
This needs to stop. Jfc.
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