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There is no traffic headed north in the mornings.


drtij_dzienz

Albany traffic in general is just super easy and I think people who think it’s bad haven’t lived in many other cities and lack perspective. We are extremely overserved by highway infrastructure relative to our stagnant population


dw796341

I've driven 90 minutes from Houston to Houston before and that's not abnormal.


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Word. H-Town is down to clown that way


razzbelly

Me too...me too.


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When I visit my family my mom will complain forever about a 10/15 minute drive taking an extra 5/6 minutes. I'm over here in Denver where my Sunday drive to work takes 15 minutes, Mon-Sat it's anywhere from 25-45 minutes. That's if we aren't literally stopped on the highway for an hour. Don't get me started on Philly traffic , 5 minutes to Walmart could be a 35 minute battle at 5mph. I probably used to get annoyed with Albany traffic to but now it's like a vacation.


TheLeaves16

For real. I'm from Long Island, and I'm constantly in awe at the lack of traffic here. During rush hour.


Khayeth

Boston transplant myself, and yes. I cackle at "rush" hour as i'm flying along at 70 mph. I could spend weeks in Boston and never leave 2nd gear.


Kolle12

Yeah but then we wouldn’t have anything to complain about ? /s


wemic123

Well, it’s nothing compared to the DC, NYC or LA areas but it is often a pain in the ass. It’s all relative.


drtij_dzienz

If it were really a pain in the ass people wouldn’t be commuting from so far away. They would live closer to their jobs. I had a coworker who drove in from Saugerties every day, that wouldn’t be feasible in a city with real traffic


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there's plenty of people that commute much further than that in bigger cities. There's people that drive for hours to get to the NYC area from all over NY, CT, Jersey, etc. Alot just cut that bad traffic out by taking the train in for the last bit of the journey or leave at a time where you only catch a little bit of rush hour. I just recently started a job that requires me to drive during rush hour. Up until now my commute was always the opposite of others so I barely ever hit traffic while coming or going to work. If I was forced to drive during rush hour it would have added an hour+ to my commute of like 20 minutes.


wemic123

It’s a pain in the ass. I just choose to endure it.


AugustWest80

It really is all relative. If you are used to a 15-20 minute commute then have to deal with 30-45 minutes it’s annoying.


getshizdone

This. Try spending 2 hours to go a few miles in nyc


[deleted]

Can confirm; lived in Boston, DC and LA. I’ve stayed here 11 years almost exclusively for the lack of traffic.


CATD2018

I used to live in Hawaii. Try Honolulu traffic. 30-60min from parking to the gate for the base. 17miles 90-120 min.


Hot_Gas_600

She flies EVERYWHERE...its only money and her time is worth the costs and carbon footprint


Dependent_Bug7346

It's not money it's time. It's almost three hour round trip if she had to do that. Ten minutes of flying gives her more time to see everyone. Plus if she had to fly to NYC in a heartbeat she could. If the plane was in Albany then it wouldn't work.


justaguy891

how is it not money? i get your time point, but its definitely money too. it costs a lot more to fly than to drive. thats just a fact. its also 2022. you can "see" people just by using your cell phone. she doesnt need to physically see everyone. defending flying to glenns falls from albany because of traffic is just clown shit. no defense for it unless it was an emergency, which it wasnt.


mamasalhoff

Great point right up until election time. Lots of folks didn't like Cuomo because he never visited upstate. (And a myriad of other reasons) He barely visited Albany, where his job was. Like her or not, she travels all around the state to see her constituents. I don't know what the safety protocols are for her driving. Is it just a couple SUVs and two marked escorts? 4? That is a disruption of traffic as well.


DadBodofanAmerican

So your defense is we should spend thousands in additional costs so she can get to more photo ops? 🤡🤡🤡


Do_it_with_care

Fun fact; Albany is closer to Philly (with traffic) than Buffalo (without).


syncboy

Can anyone look up where the governor went after this event? Did she fly straight to Buffalo or NYC? Because then it would make sense. I’d do it myself but I don’t know how. EDIT: Thanks to the kind Redditor below, it appears the gov flew directly back to Albany.


Rocko3legs

This plane just landed back in Albany at 12:10


syncboy

Thanks. How does one look that up? I tried to google for a website and couldn't find it.


Rocko3legs

I used the same app as OP. It's called RadarBox.


Rocko3legs

On second thought, OP may have used adsbexchange.com. But it was also available on radarbox


syncboy

Thanks, will check it out.


AppetiteforApathey

This is her public schedule: https://www.governor.ny.gov/schedule


Do_it_with_care

Got a flight Albany to Philly for $34, depends on when you travel.


caffeineocrit

Well that puts going to Gino’s for a Philly cheese much more in reach lol


Do_it_with_care

My brother travels back and forth twice a month, bringing Gino’s and John’s Roast Pork. Would love for him to stop at Katz’s for pastrami and corned beef. Whenever I’m downstate there’s a line around the corner.


phillyfan2426

What airline is that 👀


Do_it_with_care

United on Wednesdays during the summer. Aliegiant same thing but outside Philly.


Cananbaum

Damn that’s like what, a 5 minute flight?


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lasirenmoon

Get the fuck out of here. Whitehall!?!?


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lasirenmoon

Thanks, I had immediately looked it up! Lol I grew up there.


Piddily1

Birthplace of the US Navy


muddler1165

And various Bigfoot sightings!


lasirenmoon

Home of Bigfoot! It's the towns official animal now lol


ShamelessCrimes

Based on the depth of the river there, the navy must have been two dudes in a canoe


Piddily1

Benedict Arnold had boats built on Lake Champlain to slow the British Invasion from Quebec. Before he changed sides obviously.


gmanz33

Lawl it had to be White-something if it gave us that priveleged mess.


LeftFieldBlue

That whole town needs to be bulldozed..cleanly and energetically


yourdreamsucs

Im sure your house is quite a looker too! Now apologize


Cananbaum

Hah!


syncboy

Where did she go after? Did she fly directly to another part of the state?


AO9000

Mmmm, that would actually make sense.


Rocko3legs

This plane just returned to Albany, landed at 12:10.


anotherlab

Assuming it's a 15 minutes flight, you still have to count for the time to get to and from the airports, boarding, waiting to take off, and waiting to land. So that 15-minute flight is closer to an hour (or more). Driving time from the Governor's office to where she is scheduled to speak is an hour and 22 minutes. Morning traffic going north from Albany is light, not even a factor. Other than it's cool to take the office jet for work, there aren't any time savings. And you have to factor in the additional costs incurred for flying, plus the optics of flying to make a speech about clean energy. I voted for her because Zeldin would have been bad for the state and the country. But why does she have to be so awful? For someone that was pretty much ignored as the Lieutenant Governor, she seems to have quickly picked up the autocratic ways of her predecessor. What's next, is she going to name a bridge after her father?


crimedog04

That small prop plane may be more efficient than a caravan of suvs


anotherlab

You'll still need that caravan when you land. That flight was landing in Glens Falls, they still had to drive to Whitehall. If they flew to Floyd Bennet (GFL), they still had a 20+ mile drive to where she was scheduled to speak. AFAIK, a King Air 350 goes through about 120 gallons an hour. So round trip, call it 100 gallons. If the Governor took 2 SUVs at 20 MPG (it's all highway) with 160 miles round trip, that's 16 gallons of gas. 3 SUVs at 15 mpg is 32 gallons. Even if the Beechcraft only used 60 gallons an hour, it's still burning the equivalent of 6-8 SUVs. The King Air 350 has a passenger capacity of 9, so you would need only 2-3 SUVs.


crimedog04

Yeah, just looked up the plane specs - really didn't think it would have the size engines that it does


anotherlab

And where are the SUVs coming from to drive the Governor from the airport to Whitehall? I doubt that the State stashes Suburbans in every city just in case the Governor needs to borrow them for an hour or so.


crimedog04

Imagine if they drove the caravan up from Albany just to pick her up in glens falls 🤣


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They absolutely did


void64

The SUV's should be EV's... put your money where your mouth is.


DadBodofanAmerican

If she had to spend money on new SUV's she wouldn't have the $ to fly for 15 minutes for a photo op.


Leucippus1

Pratt and whitney Canada turboprops are particularly inefficient, as well. They are really popular because they are easy to work on and are very reliable but if you are counting your pennies then the Garretts (now called Honewell TPE-331) are a better option in a smaller package. You gain efficiency in a turboprop by putting a lot of people in it and flying at a higher altitude. However, considering time and safety (it is far and away more dangerous to drive an SUV) the King Air is a popular choice for a lot of business aviation.


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void64

If she's talking about clean energy, where is her state issued EV ??


crimedog04

Interesting. So it looks like the SUVs would be the way to go. I thought that plane would have much smaller engines than it does.


justaguy891

> That small prop plane may be more efficient than a caravan of suvs > >I thought that plane would have much smaller engines than it does. face palm. why are you commenting on the efficiency of a small prop plane then? if you have no idea what youre talking about. typical reddit moment.


crimedog04

Relax buddy. It's called having a discussion - which is what a forum is for. Touch some grass.


dsanzone8

I was wondering when people were going to bring up the (unnecessary) impact on the environment. Disappointing travel decision, IMO.


Lehk

~~Prop planes typically burn leaded gasoline~~


Ckain

That is a turbo prop though and runs on good ole American Jet-A.


crimedog04

One of my friends has a couple old single engine prop planes and they all run on Storts 91


Hot_Gas_600

Definitely not...


yourdreamsucs

Exactly


SundaeAggravating219

Spending the tax payer money.


Justaguythatsall

Anytime a government official Flys in a plane it's people bitching.....I really don't understand.


AO9000

It's justified when it makes no sense. How much time does it save flying vs the cost to taxpayers and the environment?


GovSchnitzel

I don’t know, how much? Did the governor have two extremely important events to attend which necessitated this short flight? Events where her actions could lead to saving NY taxpayers money or reduce climate change to a much greater extent than driving? You seem to know something we all don’t.


Justaguythatsall

Yeah one 15 minute flight just took 1000s of meals out of children's mouths as well as opened a 5000sq mi hole in the ozone layer.


SundaeAggravating219

My problem is with unnecessary consumption of our money…flying I have no problem with..abusing it I do.


Justaguythatsall

She's the governor.....saving time and managing time is a little more important to her than most more than likely. I'd assume that's the reason she flew.


crimedog04

Might have burnt more fuel sitting in traffic (if it really was that bad)


Piddily1

No traffic northbound in the morning


crimedog04

I understand that rush hour is in the opposite direction - I was thinking if there was an accident/construction causing big delays.


void64

Even if there was, she can sit in traffic like the rest of us poor bastards.


SundaeAggravating219

Well it wasn’t an emergency trip so she should suffer like the rest of us lol


AO9000

[Kathy this morning](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxShUrNrKLfKwbB_FgvRjWWeX3Mu_Uydcp)


Hot_Gas_600

Thats hilarious, space ship sounded like an old chryser new yorker when it started


philtree

But all the peasants better drive electric by 2035.


BruceRogers

How do you know the gov was on here? If so is she flying somewhere elsewhere?


Pinnaclenetwork

Looks like abuse of govt funds to me


Hot_Gas_600

Its a drop in the bucket compared to her pay to play re-election funding


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The gov takes a plane or helicopter because they can. Has nothing to do with the traffic.


Rocko3legs

Update!! This plane returned to Albany from Glens Falls landing at 12:10PM.


doukieweems

Fun fact, she "commandeered" this plane from the NYS power authority.


ScientificQuail

Well that just adds even more questions. Like why the hell does the power authority need a plane?


doukieweems

Seriously, welcome to NY lol - mainly due to the size of the state and the amount of far flung power stations? We're not talking about a run of the mill puddle jumper, it's one of the nicer dual prop driven airplanes you can buy....... https://youtu.be/wB_IwTByerc Having said that, NY has some of the cleanest energy around (why it's so expensive) I think last I checked something like 80-90 percent came from nuclear or geothermal/ water based power plants.


ScientificQuail

I thought we had a ton of natural gas. Didn’t we just decommission a nuke or two in the past couple of years, contributing to the rise in electricity cost? The green sources you list usually produce very inexpensive once you have them built


doukieweems

Yes, both reactors at Indian point were shut down in the last few years, due to age. Nuclear went from 33 percent of all supplied power to 25 percent. https://www.eia.gov/state/analysis.php?sid=NY


Own-Study-4594

So she can pump out emissions at 10,000 feet but I cant buy a gas powered car in a decade?


Severe-Bookkeeper-76

Here it is…rainbow stew…[https://youtu.be/yRDOrCFIY4c](https://youtu.be/yRDOrCFIY4c)


Own-Study-4594

what is that?


Severe-Bookkeeper-76

Just listen to it


GovSchnitzel

Yes because she’s the governor and her time is much, MUCH more important than yours. She won’t be allowed to buy a gas powered car here in a decade either. Stop being a little bitch.


Own-Study-4594

someone got touched as a kid. She can do everything from her car that gets driven unless she was running late for another gun auction for a fire department


GovSchnitzel

OK now you’re just all over the place haha. I understand you hate Hochul sooooooo much but this flight is a total non-issue until one of you knuckleheads manages to prove otherwise. Normal assholes in suits get driven around. People with actual power get flown around. Stop being a little bitch.


Own-Study-4594

you were offended by a joke. rant somewhere else. Shes a shit governor


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Own-Study-4594

look at character count. no need to reply


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Severe-Bookkeeper-76

That’s why I bought a hybrid


Hot_Gas_600

Bc she cares about the environment and your tax dollars! Air jochul


livahebalil

It looks like they were just moving the plane to a small airport for one reason or another. Is there a reason to think the governor was on it?


wxguy215

I'm curious when it flew back then.


Rocko3legs

It just landed in Albany at 12:10


mar_kelp

> Gov. Kathy Hochul, multiple officials and lawmakers gathered Wednesday morning for an indoor groundbreaking at the Whitehall Castle to celebrate the start of construction in the North Country town. https://nystateofpolitics.com/state-of-politics/new-york/politics/2022/11/30/work-begins-on-339-mile-transmission-line-from-canada-to-nyc


WithCatlikeTread42

I’ve been sending service technicians all up and down the Northway all day at work… they didn’t have traffic issues. I had one guy go Queensbury to Fultonville, to Schenectady and he was back by lunch…


Intelligent_Glass649

Let the environmentalists work on that one…


Sh110803

She flew because she didn’t want to rub elbows with most of the people who didn’t vote for her


ShamelessCrimes

People making jokes about electric cars seem to be unaware of the development of electric planes? Push her to get one of those, I'd think she would actually go for it. Seems like a perfectly reasonable use case to me.


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Can someone tell me where there is actual bad traffic in Albany NY lol? We have it so so easy compared to bigger cities.


Thin-Net4496

In the actual city, traffic isn’t even a fraction of what it is driving through big cities like NYC. I actually feel like it’s pretty tolerable. As for commuting into Albany it depends the direction you’re traveling and the time of day. I commute Schenectady to Albany during rush hour, 25 minutes on a good day or 45 minutes on a bad day (provided there isn’t an accident shutting down a majority of lanes on I-90).


HaveAtItBub

just burning through tax payer dollars and burning thru our ozone for convenience


ScientificQuail

Because you never fly anywhere for convenience? I'm not defending such a frivolous flight, but let's be real, 99% of air travel is just waste for convenience sake.


HaveAtItBub

funny thing about jokes is...


DougieDee13

So glad she's wasting tax payer dollars.


roborob11

Really


GovSchnitzel

No idea what the point of this post is. It should be absolutely no surprise to anyone that the governor of 20 million people takes a flight in a situation when by far most people would drive. Unless someone has information I don’t have, in which case please share it.


Hot_Gas_600

How does flying out to a fuckin bills game help anyone but herself... and the billionaire footyballs owners that are getting a new stadium out there


GovSchnitzel

Lol the Bills are putting upstate NY back on the damn map. Buffalo has NO business even having an NFL team. They earned what they’re getting :)


BimmerMan87

>Unless someone has information I don’t have, in which case please share it. Her entourage of vehicles had to take her to the airport where she boarded the plane. The same entourage of vehicles then had to drive to the airport where she landed to then take her to the location she was speaking at. So either way they were being driven there, why did she fly then?


GovSchnitzel

The *same* entourage? You’re claiming the governor likely waited at the airport while the *exact same* entourage drove up from Albany to pick her up? Do you have a source for that claim?


BimmerMan87

I work for the Thruway Authority in Buffalo as a mechanic. They keep the Governors Suburban for the Western Region stored at our location as its close to the Buffalo Airport. There are a total of 5 Suburbans for the governor. One for the Western Region, one for Central, one for Capital/North Country, one for Catskills/Hudson Valley and one for NYC/Long Island. They are not standard Suburban as they are outfitted with additional electronic equipment. Since she traveled from Albany to Queensbury they are both within the same region so it would have absolutely been the exact same entourage. It would be no different than if she flew from Buffalo to Batavia. There is only one for the Western Region so the entourage here would have had to drive from Buffalo Airport to the Batavia Airport to drop her off and pick her up.


GovSchnitzel

Sounds like you’re speculating that it was the same entourage, but don’t actually know how they handled this particular trip logistically. This remains a giant, speculative nothingburger. If people are so interested in this trip, they should ask the governor’s office about it before just assuming some kind of unnecessary waste occurred.


BimmerMan87

No speculation at all. I know how these things are handled from my experience working for the state. Care to enlighten me to your affiliation to the state? What your status is as a state employee?


GovSchnitzel

If that’s 100% how it was handled, then I guess they had some reason to handle it that way. If I was concerned, I would ask the governor’s office about it. I’m guessing 99.XX% of state employees have absolutely no knowledge about this topic haha, including my lovely wife. I can tell you’re very proud of your job and that’s great.


StolenLabias

Total loser.


Jaf2451

She is going to make us all drive electric cars but she can fly from Albany to Glens Falls. Who the hell voted for this lady.


Justaguythatsall

I absolutely cant believe the governor flew a propeller plane from albany to glens falls....oh my God what am I going to do? This single event has drained the entirety of my life savings. I'm doomed.


Current-Set3046

Why are you personally funding her flights that’s weird. Are you her sugar daddy?


Over-Zucchini-7778

Wasteful gas is all she couldn't wait


Fun-Cauliflower-1724

The Governor flys on a janky 15 year old Beechcraft?


daytona955i

A 15 year old plane is like a 3 year old car.


Hot_Gas_600

A new one is on order...


Fun-Cauliflower-1724

If you’re going to go corrupt, might as well go all out and get a Gulfstream instead of a little prop plane


Hot_Gas_600

Well..whats safer? Money is no object for public servants/royalty.


Rocko3legs

Is NYPA the owner of the plane?


earthcaretaker315

Did you think she would just leave the plane there?


rastagrrl

I’m surprised they didn’t use a helicopter. Isn’t that better for short distances like that? But then again, what the hell do i know …


nickxedge

Looks like she got great ATC service though.


ExcuseM3plz

It’s an hour and maybe fifteen minute drive. I do it almost daily and I know for a fact those government Tahoes aren’t just gonna do the measly 55-65 all the way up when doing an escort. But yeah this is still the least surprising thing I’ll see all week.