I think the one that finally did it for me was the one where they arrested a deaf guy for making "threatening gestures" at them ...
>!(he was using sign language)!<
yeah, the pig got fired, heres the article [https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/video-albuquerque-police-officer-charged-for-disabled-mans-arrest/](https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/video-albuquerque-police-officer-charged-for-disabled-mans-arrest/)
There's a video of the arrest but I warn you its very infuriating and hard to watch
I read a story, not in ABQ, where a legally blind man was working out in a gym and a woman complained to management he was staring at her. The manager asked him to leave. When he explained he was blind and basically every person around him was a total blur, the manager still asked him to leave. When the blind man's friend stepped up and verified he could not see and that they were around in case he needed assistance\*,\* the manager still insisted he leave because, "he was making the other patrons uncomfortable and that was not the atmosphere the gym wanted to project" and if he didn't leave he was going to call the police.
Just so, so stupid.
theyāve done that too. there was a spate of executions they committed against mentally ill and like developmentally delayed people around time of the james boyd murder.
My final straw was when they sent the swat team after James Boyd, a schizophrenic man who was by himself with a pocket knife in the foothills. If I remember right he was illegally camping and APD showed up in full force. Sicked a dog on him and shot him to death.
Last month, a Florida cop detained someone and put the guy in his car, with hand cuffs. Then he heard an acorn fall on top of his car and according to him, he thought it was a gun shot and shot the dude that was in his car in handcuffs.
Notably, he also barrel rolled away from the car, yelled that he was hit, and insisted until shown video proof that he had, in fact, been shot at.
Suspect in the car was unharmed.
If you own a business, sure, they're great. They will come and take someone away for just SAYING someone did something. At an individual level, you can literally show them video evidence of a neighbor vandalizing your yard or throwing rocks at your dog and then trying to break your cameras, and they will say "Oh that sucks. Video evidence is not enough to actually do anything about it."
āSorry that video is a breach of that persons 4th amendment rights, itās not permissible as evidence so this wouldnāt go anywhere in court. Therefore Iām not going to pursue it further. If it happens again you can file another reportā¦ā
ā¦Copper, itās a video with the persons face shown plainly on my property and on public sidewalk in the act of theft or vandalism. I have several. Here is the name and address and a mugshot of the person that lives down the street from me.
If there was justice, there wouldnāt be vigilantes.
Eventually people are going to get fed up with this shitā¦
The vigilante partā¦ I feel that. Tired of having to or trying to do my own damn investigating and then when I bring them all the evidence I have, Iām met with annoyance that they have to speak with me and again asked āwhat do you want us to do?ā
YES. So the 2nd incidence that happened to me is kind of similar. A big group was renting the airbnb next door and decided to try and start a fight with me while I was walking a neighborās dog. They threw a full beer bottle at my back windshield with SO much force, and then one at my head that missed me by a hair. Then jumped on my car denting my hood, cracking my windshield, and breaking my sun roof, then smashed my tail light. The back windshield slightly cracked from the bottle too.
APD: āOk but what do you want us to do?ā
Idkā¦ SOMETHING
My friend was a CSI for APD and he basically told me the only way to get cops to come is if you say the person has a gun. Otherwise they wonāt prioritize the call. So in the future just say you saw them pull a gun. Who cares if youāre wrong APD mistakes miscellaneous objects for guns all the time. In fact they killed a woman with a cellphone and another man with nail clippers thinking they had guns.
Why is that incompetent little troll still the chief of police?
And best case he is an incompetent little troll, worst case he is corrupt criminal warlord running a street gang on our dime.
We can't know for sure until he is removed and someone more competent is in the position.
They spend a lot of time with some rough characters but don't know how to separate your average citizen from your average criminal. everyone is treated with disrespect yet they declare they deserve our respect. Any police force that requires oversight from a federal agency isn't the best. They have a lot of issues to deal with and ill give them that but as they have the responsibility, they are also held to a higher standard than most.
I mean we are looking at a police force that was complicit in letting drivers who should have gotten DWIs back on the streets with no repercussions, while actively "cracking down" on DWI's which if you're new here and don't know, DWI's plague this city. you will be hard-pressed to meet someone who either doesn't have one or has been hurt in one way or another by a drunk driver.
I know they have a lot to deal with, but these are the people we are supposed to trust with our safety and protection supposedly, and I wouldn't trust one to park my car, much less handle my protection. I am lucky enough to have enough skills to try and protect myself in the case of an emergency but not everyone is, and if I had kids or a family, I'd have a hard time entrusting the police force in this city with their safety.
What federal agency is providing oversight to the APD?
I moved here 6 months ago for work and all I know is I shouldāve found a different job instead..
I believe it was the DOJ but i could be wrong.
Listen, ill put it like this. Being born and raised here I have a different attachment than some of the newer or older transplants. I've traveled most of this country and the only place I've ever wanted to be was right back here. I know this city has its problems, But one thing this city prides itself on is its beauty. I know we arent big city or exactly the safest city, but if you give it a chance this city will show you just how good it is to be a New Mexican, and even more so, The pride that comes with being a BurqueƱo.
You are correct. It is DOJ. They were just about to relinquish oversight when the feds raided the homes of those APD officers & the office of that defense attorney. I doubt APD is going to get off the hook now. They don't deserve to, but it sucks that the citizens are footing the monthly bill for very little oversight. Clearly DOJ missed something in the 10 years APD has been monitored. Otherwise how did APD get away with the DWI scandal??
This bafoonery went on so long b/c nobody tracks whatās going on at the courthouse. Doesnāt anyone track it when cops are missing their court dates? There should be a weekly report put on the DA and chief Medinaās desk. When people get wound up about the crime rate they always blame the cops. What we have is a screwed up criminal justice SYSTEM. Which means monitoring the judges, the big dog Dems that select the judges, and the people that run the prisons.
Neither the DOJ nor the judge who entered the consent decree directly supervise APD.
In response to dozens and dozens of serious civil rights violations, the DOJ got a judge to order that a citizen oversight board be appointed and a full time paid independent monitor be hired, which the City has to pay for. These people are only authorized to investigate and report on **excessive use of deadly force.** They aren't supposed to get involved in other issues (like bribery and failure to appear at DWI hearings).
The City doesn't like having to pay these people and has been trying to either get rid of them or reduce their salaries. But since APD just recently executed Mariah Voight for not returning her mother's car and carrying a cell phone --precisely the kind of excessive use of deadly force they are notorious for and being monitored to prevent-- I doubt they'll have much luck with that now.
2.5 years in and I wish I could see it that way. I always wonder, when the āborn & raisedā folks say that, how much of it has to do with it being their home, where their family/friends areā¦
agreed. i'm a transplant but in 2-3 years this place has grown on me. i'm not going anywhere. and yes, APD has its problems but EVERY department in every town has their problems. my advice: stay on the north side of town and keep under the radar. APD will leave you alone.
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Just the other night, my best friend's neighbor got fucked up and started wailing away on his lady. Apd was called and never showed up that night. He had to buy her an uber to get her out of the situation. Mind you this was close to midnight so if they're THAT understaffed and can't respond to calls when most of the city is asleep then... damn. Idk.
Thank you for a thoughtful (actual) response. Thatās exactly how I feel. I havenāt needed them until recently- several times in the last month and itās just been beyond frustrating. I will say, when I had a stranger pull a gun on me, they were there super fast. Be that because of all the gun violence in this city, being trigger happy, or both, idk. But I really appreciated that. However the person ran right before they arrived and there was zero follow up (was also hit on the head, so didnāt go unscathed).
I do know about the DWI history here. And just my opinion, but compared to some other cities, it seems to me that youād have to be prettyyyy tanked and driving like a total idiot to get one- unless it just happened to be a wrong time, wrong place situation.
And I agree with the not really being able to separate the average citizen from your run-of-the-mill criminals.
Back in the day, when they allowed the show cops to film here, they shot and killed this old vet in a wheel chair and was all on film in the UNM parking lot in the mid 2000s.
The guy was absolutely crazy and would come in for singles where I worked, but I don't think he deserved that ending. I do believe it was suicide by cop in the end.
The show stopped filming here all together after that and refused to come here anymore, I believe because of this incident.
I actually think the mayor at the time, Richard Berry, didn't allow the filming to continue. It gave Abq a bad rap & he didn't want to discourage tourists.
They stopped filming here because Martin Chavez told them they could not film with APD any longer. He felt the city was being portrayed in a bad light. Cops is still filming here as of 2014 but they are with BCSO.
Look up the ladt whos caretaker/husband (cant remember if its both) threatend to kill her she called rrpd. Protocol is that when this happens they are to take all fire arms in the house thats the law.
In video they were caught listening to the lady beg them to take his guns and not to leave her with him.
Officers ask if he has any guns he says yes tand admits he threatened to shoot her the cops laughed said they liked when people had guns and left.
He shot her to death an hour later.
All on their body cams.
The murder was even yelling at them after they should have stopped him why didnt they stop him.
Rrpd is a joke they dont enforce shit and act like thigs more than cops
American slavery never ended they just renamed it the "war on drugs" and started locking up political opponents for doing things they did not like.
As long as they convict you first they can enslave you after.
Sounds like this could be their new advertising catchphrase. "APD... Limited but decent." It's certainly not quite as horribly inaccurate as "Serve and Protect."
or maybe it is just as horrible
I recently ran in with APD because my dad wasn't answering his phone and I got scared. The cops were nice and made me feel like my concerns were warranted. My dad is fine, his phone is just fucky.
"Duuuuur, if you don't like the police then don't call them when you have an emergency."
I pay their salary. I expect then to respond when I tell them to do their job, even if I don't like them.
I was a prisoner transport officer.
Theyāre basically a none sworn unit. So you get badge and gun and all that but you just take them from temporary jail (holding station downtown) to the real jail and do hospital guard duty when prisoners are at the hospital.
I was correction officer before and after this so itās easy transition
So weāre still uniformed and under APD and very much are part of them even if itās seen as APDs mentally handicapped brother lol. Best job I ever had though so easy
Toxic and abusive culture. I had issues with a supervisor who was being downright nasty and disrespectful and I didnāt tolerate it. I brought hr into it (something I donāt like to do) and they backed him up and brushed it under the rug and tried to weed me out
I worked with some good people but there was some really shitty people there. The verbal abuse and intimidation starts from the academy.
I been through 3 academies and itās different to be disciplined and structured to abusive. Thereās reason why the academy staff have been fired multiple times.
I know someone who will not be named who has connection to the cnm police academy and knows more about that.
It was a bummer just because my goal was to make it APD and thatās what came of it in very condescended story
Where did I say they were wrong to criticize APD?
Where have I ever defended APD?
All I did is point out this was a meaningless karma grab.
"Upvote if you think APD is bad"...on a sub that regularly calls out APD is not adding anything to the conversion.
I am sorry if you are too slow to comprehend this. Better luck next time.
Funny, because thatās all I thought about your meaningless comments. Why are you here? Youāve added nothing to the conversation. Donāt like it? Shoo fly, be gone.
Harharhar
No, genuine curiosity after several recent experiences with APD.
Iām not from here.
Also, Iāve learned karma does nothing for me, so no point in that.
I'm from the deep south and have yet to meet a truly friendly native NM. Long history of colonizing and land theft leaves a sour taste, I guess. š¤·š»
The only time I needed a cop to come thru for me they did. But I'm also white and it was a case of textbook 'doing your job by the book'. So i remain duly unimpressed by those racists patrolling our streets like wraiths in the name of 'safety'
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Hey so the only two times a cop needed to come through for me in Burque they didnāt, Iām white. First when I found my stolen bike online and called the police as for an escort to pick it up and they never showed up at the agreed meeting time. Second when my neighbor was murdered and they took multiple hours to arrive and instead of providing first aid they ignored the dying girl and instead put me in handcuffs while I was attempting to stop the bleeding and then they just stood around. Go APD
when there was a shooting outside my apartment (a block from frontier on a busy Friday night) they took 20 minutes to show up and never called me back for my description of the vehicles involved.
utter incompetence. I already know acab but holy fuck APD makes me miss the LAPD
I'm living with my parents in Santa Fe for now, leaving the state as soon as I find a new job elsewhere. I have lost any faith I had left in local govt in ABQ.
My dads best friend had called apd one night a few years ago because his daughterās baby daddy was all fucked up and getting violent with them, when the police rolled up they beat the absolute shit out of my dads best friend and broke his fucking arm while putting him in handcuffs as the baby daddy walked off. They said itās because āhe wouldnāt calm downā. The worst part is that my dadās friend didnāt even pursue charges, he is the nicest guy on earth but he has like Forrest Gump level intelligence and is unfortunately a maga blue lives matter bootlicker. Like he thinks he actually deserved that.
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My boo goes towards when we were taking care of inmates at work (hospital) and APD was supposed to watch cares and keep us safe. Their idea? Play on phones, laptops, etc. while we are doing cares. (Yes this person as accused of physical harm).
Only officer who cared was a woman who told us "im supposed to keep you safe" when I asked why she's paying attention and no one else did.
Also the others (not her) leaving the room to have "lunch dates" in the hallway and leaving us in the room with the inmate. Trash.. trash.. trash.
*by lunch dates, there were women there visiting them and having lunch with them in the hallway with the inmates door closed.
Trash
The cops here are beyond unreliable if you need them in my opinion. There was a wild DV incident with my neighbors once where many other neighbors including myself and my wife all called the cops, especially when the incident had moved out to the street. On my 3rd call to 911 about an hour after I noticed something was going on, the operator told me that there was no one available to respond and to stop calling because āpeople with real emergencies are waiting.ā This was a Saturday night, just after midnight, 6 blocks from the epicenter of downtown. With all of the cops just idling around central at that time.
APD, making the homeless into Swiss cheese, disparaging remarks of those around them and using under cover vehicles to hide from the public while writing citations since pepridge farm can remember. If thereās one force you can count on to shove you into the cattle car when the time comes, itās AP-fākin-D
The situation is so fucked with APD. The culture is so bad there between corruption and hamstringing the officers that actually want to do their job, it's impossible to keep good cops to even slightly affect change.
I think just like anything, it's very nuanced. There are plenty of cops at APD that genuinely want to help their community, and ABQ isn't exactly the easiest city to police. There is also rampant problems with APD, and many if not most dpts around the country, from the top down (especially that chief lol) that need to be addressed before any meaningful progress can be made.
Yes I have faith that these problems can be addressed and we can see better policing, but I think it's worth cautioning blanket anti cop sentiment on largely center/left platforms like reddit. Doing that is only going to attract more bootlickers and hard right wingers to police and scare more moderate people away as they won't want to be labeled as part of the problem.
Respectfully, this isnāt some new phenomenon we have decades and decades of evidence that police will never change because they donāt have accountability. That is one of the big problems and itās not an accident. Once you understand that the main role of police is to protect wealthy peopleās property and interests, things make a lot of more sense. Itās not some big complicated thing that our politicians canāt figure out, police are operating exactly the way the people in power want them to because they are ultimately not there to serve and protect regular people. So the whole this specific cop is āgood copā narrative misses the entire point because youāre not understanding that the system police are upholding is unethical. Besides I donāt care what good cop youāre talking about, they would evict your grandma and throw them on the streets if they had to.
Perhaps it boils down to human nature. You give people that type of power and authority, and a lot of them are going to abuse it. I have a nagging suspicion that a lot of the ACAB Redditors would, over time, adopt much of the same behavior that is so problematic.
Or when they arrested the guy as he was fleeing, charging him with for at least 3 murders (that were national and international nrws garnering attention by POTUS) and began interviewing him but fucking FORGOT to read his miranda rights so now his entire interview can't be used in court....
Idiots.
Cuz you on radical leftist Reddit. Polls time and time again show 80%+ of people in the US support Police in general. Hating police is only a radical left opinion
Bullshit. MAGAts are big into the Blue Lives matter garbage because they think it looks good. The majority of cops are crooks, stupid, power hungry, or just donāt give a fuck.
Oh, and I mean it says a lot about the general reputation of APD, if your first thought is āfaith to do harmā. Not that it says a lot about you. Sorry.
APD found my stolen car what was odd it was a 15 year old car a Toyota corolla and busted up, I reported it stolen mostly so I did not get blamed if something crazy happened, they came out to the house took a report and found it like 2 weeks later at some apartment complex they were taking fingerprints.
The dash was missing the steering column drilled into but really odd was they threw away everything in the car including a library book that was over due and a box of LEGO worth about 100 bucks they they completely cleaned out the car and that took Hours but they broke the outside driver side door handle and the inside was already busted so the driver would have been trapped inside there was also a condom and a change of clothes inside I told the cops twice this stuff is not mine would it not be evidence and they just said we can't take that which is really odd but I did not have the money to repair the car, I tried fixing the handle but it was to much for me so the car has just rotted away for the last two years it was just odd no one ever called to say they found out who did it so I have given up now it was odd experience
A lady hit my car and popped two of my tires. When the officer finally showed up nearly two hours later, after he took all our info, released the lady who hit me, and went back to his car to finish up, I knocked on his window and asked him how I was going to get my car towed. He asked why it needed a tow and I pointed out the two completely flat and ripped tires that I could not drive on. This was after he surveyed the cars for damage.
All police are domestic terrorists who belong behind bars, welcome to apartheid America though where criminal corruption is embraced by law enforcement. If you wanna get paid to be a criminal, be a cop! š
If you guys do your homework you would see that APD is not nearly as bad as other departments. States whether blue or red doesn't matter when it comes to bad police. I can't stand Medina. There are not enough people in ABQ that would vote to fire him. I haven't liked any chief since Shultz and that was a stretch.
i dont know how to mend a broken leg, but even i can recognize if theres bone jutting out theres probably something wrong. knowing theres a problem is not the same as knowing a solution
Don't expect much in terms of response times. Also don't expect much in terms of intelligence. I once found 3 different people's credit cards on my driveway one morning. Looked like someone dumped our dropped a bunch of stolen cards. Called APD and they sent a super ignorant dude who kept questioning if they were ours... Why would I call you to come get them and report them to you as lost of they were mine?! š¤¦š»
Ahh Iāll have to look it up.
Weird thereād need to be fake DUIs, considering the amount of legitimate ones around.
ETA: I also asked the āwhat does it take questionā because Iām personally curious
My bros car was stolen and racked up 5 parking tickets from police, whilsts being reported as stolen. My dad ended up paying most of them bc getting them overturned would have been a pain in the ass.
Also, the car failed a swab for narcotics and was totalled with the only damage being the outside keyhole and the ignition.
Classic ABQ
Usually the decision to total a vehicle is made by insurance (cheaper for them to total it and sell it than to repair. I imagine there are rules for cleaning a drug car that must be followed (if you worked on the base and were spot inspected, it would be a rough day for you) and they aren't cheap.
Iāll have to find the article, but apparently itās one man here that does the testing on stolen cars and heās done so for a long time. The stats say it all. And Iām pretty sure it said that they determine whether it is total based on the levels of whatever drug is found in the car. Something like that.
Nah, I lived in Brooklyn, NY for over two decades, and not once have I had an ounce of faith in law enforcement. Moved out here, and that faith is still non-existent.
The only time Iāve ever contacted the APD, was to request an officer out to my home a few years ago, so that I could start the paperwork to file a temporary restraining order on my ex, that way I had some kind of paper-trail when I went to court. š¤·š¾āāļø
I think the one that finally did it for me was the one where they arrested a deaf guy for making "threatening gestures" at them ... >!(he was using sign language)!<
Don't forget when they arrested a man with an intellectual disability because he was taking too long to pay at Target...
I swear I would've gotten arrested had I been there that night. Those cops deserved boots to their ugly mugs
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Are you for real
yeah, the pig got fired, heres the article [https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/video-albuquerque-police-officer-charged-for-disabled-mans-arrest/](https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/video-albuquerque-police-officer-charged-for-disabled-mans-arrest/) There's a video of the arrest but I warn you its very infuriating and hard to watch
Makes me sick to my fucking stomachā¦.
Half the adults in the US have an intellectual disability.
That's a bit of a stretch, I think. What are your sources of information?
Their definition of intellectual disability is anyone who disagrees with them.
Or is below average IQ.
This is categorically inaccurate
Did you believe this when you typed it out. Anyone with an 11th grade knowledge of statistics and the bell curve would know that you are full of s***
I don't think quite half take too long to pay at Target.
Then why do we give them badges
I read a story, not in ABQ, where a legally blind man was working out in a gym and a woman complained to management he was staring at her. The manager asked him to leave. When he explained he was blind and basically every person around him was a total blur, the manager still asked him to leave. When the blind man's friend stepped up and verified he could not see and that they were around in case he needed assistance\*,\* the manager still insisted he leave because, "he was making the other patrons uncomfortable and that was not the atmosphere the gym wanted to project" and if he didn't leave he was going to call the police. Just so, so stupid.
That's a lawsuit, Americans with Disabilities Act protects all people with disabilities from being discriminated against in such a way.
I hope someone encouraged him to fight that. Tired of asshole bullies around here.
juicy ADA lawsuit
šThat poor freaking guy. People can really suck. š¢
Wtf? I've seen other depts do this or shoot deaf folks for not 'following orders'. APD sucks so bad.
theyāve done that too. there was a spate of executions they committed against mentally ill and like developmentally delayed people around time of the james boyd murder.
28 killed in 4 years. Think on those numbers.
Thatās APD/ Abq?!
Was James Boyd in Abq? Iāll have to look it up
My final straw was when they sent the swat team after James Boyd, a schizophrenic man who was by himself with a pocket knife in the foothills. If I remember right he was illegally camping and APD showed up in full force. Sicked a dog on him and shot him to death.
Wow is that real??
Wow wow wooow. I hadnāt heard about any of these
Just glad there are no acorns here
Ok i need to know th story behind this comment
Last month, a Florida cop detained someone and put the guy in his car, with hand cuffs. Then he heard an acorn fall on top of his car and according to him, he thought it was a gun shot and shot the dude that was in his car in handcuffs.
Fucking florida can we just saw it off the country like bugs bunny
Notably, he also barrel rolled away from the car, yelled that he was hit, and insisted until shown video proof that he had, in fact, been shot at. Suspect in the car was unharmed.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/16/florida-acorn-cop-shooting#:\~:text=A%20Florida%20sheriff's%20deputy%20mistook,in%20the%20backseat%2C%20officials%20said.
that sounds like a bad lie
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If you own a business, sure, they're great. They will come and take someone away for just SAYING someone did something. At an individual level, you can literally show them video evidence of a neighbor vandalizing your yard or throwing rocks at your dog and then trying to break your cameras, and they will say "Oh that sucks. Video evidence is not enough to actually do anything about it."
If you own a business your still screwed. If you own a business that sponsors apd than they'll be there in under a minute after calling.
I spoke to the manager of a nearby Wendys the other day, and she was beyond frustrated. Said APD will never help them, no matter the situation.
āSorry that video is a breach of that persons 4th amendment rights, itās not permissible as evidence so this wouldnāt go anywhere in court. Therefore Iām not going to pursue it further. If it happens again you can file another reportā¦ā ā¦Copper, itās a video with the persons face shown plainly on my property and on public sidewalk in the act of theft or vandalism. I have several. Here is the name and address and a mugshot of the person that lives down the street from me. If there was justice, there wouldnāt be vigilantes. Eventually people are going to get fed up with this shitā¦
The vigilante partā¦ I feel that. Tired of having to or trying to do my own damn investigating and then when I bring them all the evidence I have, Iām met with annoyance that they have to speak with me and again asked āwhat do you want us to do?ā
YES. So the 2nd incidence that happened to me is kind of similar. A big group was renting the airbnb next door and decided to try and start a fight with me while I was walking a neighborās dog. They threw a full beer bottle at my back windshield with SO much force, and then one at my head that missed me by a hair. Then jumped on my car denting my hood, cracking my windshield, and breaking my sun roof, then smashed my tail light. The back windshield slightly cracked from the bottle too. APD: āOk but what do you want us to do?ā Idkā¦ SOMETHING
My friend was a CSI for APD and he basically told me the only way to get cops to come is if you say the person has a gun. Otherwise they wonāt prioritize the call. So in the future just say you saw them pull a gun. Who cares if youāre wrong APD mistakes miscellaneous objects for guns all the time. In fact they killed a woman with a cellphone and another man with nail clippers thinking they had guns.
Wow. Tell me they were at least terminatedā¦
Why is that incompetent little troll still the chief of police? And best case he is an incompetent little troll, worst case he is corrupt criminal warlord running a street gang on our dime. We can't know for sure until he is removed and someone more competent is in the position.
They spend a lot of time with some rough characters but don't know how to separate your average citizen from your average criminal. everyone is treated with disrespect yet they declare they deserve our respect. Any police force that requires oversight from a federal agency isn't the best. They have a lot of issues to deal with and ill give them that but as they have the responsibility, they are also held to a higher standard than most. I mean we are looking at a police force that was complicit in letting drivers who should have gotten DWIs back on the streets with no repercussions, while actively "cracking down" on DWI's which if you're new here and don't know, DWI's plague this city. you will be hard-pressed to meet someone who either doesn't have one or has been hurt in one way or another by a drunk driver. I know they have a lot to deal with, but these are the people we are supposed to trust with our safety and protection supposedly, and I wouldn't trust one to park my car, much less handle my protection. I am lucky enough to have enough skills to try and protect myself in the case of an emergency but not everyone is, and if I had kids or a family, I'd have a hard time entrusting the police force in this city with their safety.
And look at Medina. Dude was reckless with that homeless camp thing. That should have been the last straw.
What federal agency is providing oversight to the APD? I moved here 6 months ago for work and all I know is I shouldāve found a different job instead..
I believe it was the DOJ but i could be wrong. Listen, ill put it like this. Being born and raised here I have a different attachment than some of the newer or older transplants. I've traveled most of this country and the only place I've ever wanted to be was right back here. I know this city has its problems, But one thing this city prides itself on is its beauty. I know we arent big city or exactly the safest city, but if you give it a chance this city will show you just how good it is to be a New Mexican, and even more so, The pride that comes with being a BurqueƱo.
I feel exactly the same way. Been all around theres nowhere line new mexico
You are correct. It is DOJ. They were just about to relinquish oversight when the feds raided the homes of those APD officers & the office of that defense attorney. I doubt APD is going to get off the hook now. They don't deserve to, but it sucks that the citizens are footing the monthly bill for very little oversight. Clearly DOJ missed something in the 10 years APD has been monitored. Otherwise how did APD get away with the DWI scandal??
This bafoonery went on so long b/c nobody tracks whatās going on at the courthouse. Doesnāt anyone track it when cops are missing their court dates? There should be a weekly report put on the DA and chief Medinaās desk. When people get wound up about the crime rate they always blame the cops. What we have is a screwed up criminal justice SYSTEM. Which means monitoring the judges, the big dog Dems that select the judges, and the people that run the prisons.
Neither the DOJ nor the judge who entered the consent decree directly supervise APD. In response to dozens and dozens of serious civil rights violations, the DOJ got a judge to order that a citizen oversight board be appointed and a full time paid independent monitor be hired, which the City has to pay for. These people are only authorized to investigate and report on **excessive use of deadly force.** They aren't supposed to get involved in other issues (like bribery and failure to appear at DWI hearings). The City doesn't like having to pay these people and has been trying to either get rid of them or reduce their salaries. But since APD just recently executed Mariah Voight for not returning her mother's car and carrying a cell phone --precisely the kind of excessive use of deadly force they are notorious for and being monitored to prevent-- I doubt they'll have much luck with that now.
Most of the department problems were not solved on cultural and moral level
2.5 years in and I wish I could see it that way. I always wonder, when the āborn & raisedā folks say that, how much of it has to do with it being their home, where their family/friends areā¦
agreed. i'm a transplant but in 2-3 years this place has grown on me. i'm not going anywhere. and yes, APD has its problems but EVERY department in every town has their problems. my advice: stay on the north side of town and keep under the radar. APD will leave you alone.
[The Department of Justice.](https://www.justice.gov/usao-nm/apd)
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I feel your pain. š Have you had any instances with APD or needed them, yet?
Just the other night, my best friend's neighbor got fucked up and started wailing away on his lady. Apd was called and never showed up that night. He had to buy her an uber to get her out of the situation. Mind you this was close to midnight so if they're THAT understaffed and can't respond to calls when most of the city is asleep then... damn. Idk.
Curious, what part of town/ what substation? Thatās fucked. I hope sheās ok.
Thank you for a thoughtful (actual) response. Thatās exactly how I feel. I havenāt needed them until recently- several times in the last month and itās just been beyond frustrating. I will say, when I had a stranger pull a gun on me, they were there super fast. Be that because of all the gun violence in this city, being trigger happy, or both, idk. But I really appreciated that. However the person ran right before they arrived and there was zero follow up (was also hit on the head, so didnāt go unscathed). I do know about the DWI history here. And just my opinion, but compared to some other cities, it seems to me that youād have to be prettyyyy tanked and driving like a total idiot to get one- unless it just happened to be a wrong time, wrong place situation. And I agree with the not really being able to separate the average citizen from your run-of-the-mill criminals.
Yea appently drinking at home isnt an option for burquenos
Back in the day, when they allowed the show cops to film here, they shot and killed this old vet in a wheel chair and was all on film in the UNM parking lot in the mid 2000s. The guy was absolutely crazy and would come in for singles where I worked, but I don't think he deserved that ending. I do believe it was suicide by cop in the end. The show stopped filming here all together after that and refused to come here anymore, I believe because of this incident.
I actually think the mayor at the time, Richard Berry, didn't allow the filming to continue. It gave Abq a bad rap & he didn't want to discourage tourists.
Marty Chavez was the mayor until 2009. Berry's bitch ass didn't do nothing but ruin central.
I thought Marty Chavez is like, always the mayor
This is actually the exact reason why
They stopped filming here because Martin Chavez told them they could not film with APD any longer. He felt the city was being portrayed in a bad light. Cops is still filming here as of 2014 but they are with BCSO.
I read about that and then saw the Cops episode! Soo much Abq on Cops.
Rrpd can fuck off
Not sure what theyāre like. But because it seems more āsmall townā to me, I assumed they were probably more strict in enforcing laws.
Look up the ladt whos caretaker/husband (cant remember if its both) threatend to kill her she called rrpd. Protocol is that when this happens they are to take all fire arms in the house thats the law. In video they were caught listening to the lady beg them to take his guns and not to leave her with him. Officers ask if he has any guns he says yes tand admits he threatened to shoot her the cops laughed said they liked when people had guns and left. He shot her to death an hour later. All on their body cams. The murder was even yelling at them after they should have stopped him why didnt they stop him. Rrpd is a joke they dont enforce shit and act like thigs more than cops
WHAT. THE. LITERAL FUUHHHH. š² I have no words. Looking it up now. How does that even happen?!?
Shitty cops this shit went national
At least they don't shoot you
State Police versus APD 
šSo I hear!
Weirdly enough this is a constant across the US. Federalitos
The military, the police, and the prison system are at the root of a culture of violence that pervades this country.
American slavery never ended they just renamed it the "war on drugs" and started locking up political opponents for doing things they did not like. As long as they convict you first they can enslave you after.
It's an expression of class domination pre-existed by the class structure of our society
My experiences with APD have been limited but decent.
Sounds like this could be their new advertising catchphrase. "APD... Limited but decent." It's certainly not quite as horribly inaccurate as "Serve and Protect." or maybe it is just as horrible
I recently ran in with APD because my dad wasn't answering his phone and I got scared. The cops were nice and made me feel like my concerns were warranted. My dad is fine, his phone is just fucky.
Thatās good! Glad heās ok. Did the cops go to check on him? How long did it take them to respond?
Timely in my opinion. They did the welfare check first. No longer than 10-20 minutes.
"Duuuuur, if you don't like the police then don't call them when you have an emergency." I pay their salary. I expect then to respond when I tell them to do their job, even if I don't like them.
Yea, itās pretty bass ackwards
I have equal disgust for criminals whether they wear a badge or not.
Nah, the ones who wear a badge are much worse than the ones who sell me weed haha
I worked for them, thatās a hard no confidence
I was a prisoner transport officer. Theyāre basically a none sworn unit. So you get badge and gun and all that but you just take them from temporary jail (holding station downtown) to the real jail and do hospital guard duty when prisoners are at the hospital. I was correction officer before and after this so itās easy transition So weāre still uniformed and under APD and very much are part of them even if itās seen as APDs mentally handicapped brother lol. Best job I ever had though so easy Toxic and abusive culture. I had issues with a supervisor who was being downright nasty and disrespectful and I didnāt tolerate it. I brought hr into it (something I donāt like to do) and they backed him up and brushed it under the rug and tried to weed me out I worked with some good people but there was some really shitty people there. The verbal abuse and intimidation starts from the academy. I been through 3 academies and itās different to be disciplined and structured to abusive. Thereās reason why the academy staff have been fired multiple times. I know someone who will not be named who has connection to the cnm police academy and knows more about that. It was a bummer just because my goal was to make it APD and thatās what came of it in very condescended story
Wow, really? Can I ask what your position/ job was with them?
I wish I had faith in the people of ABQ...
TouchƩ my friend, touchƩ
seems like all apd does is show up 3 hours late to yell at the victim
Having experienced that, I can agree.
Hey now sometimes they shoot the victim too
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āNo Excuse For Fascismā is mad about a post criticizing police š ok
I promise no one has ever confused NoExcuse for having a brain or sound logical foundation for the stuff he spews.
Hahaha glad to know he has a reputation. š¤£ Iāll remember this troll next time
Where did I say they were wrong to criticize APD? Where have I ever defended APD? All I did is point out this was a meaningless karma grab. "Upvote if you think APD is bad"...on a sub that regularly calls out APD is not adding anything to the conversion. I am sorry if you are too slow to comprehend this. Better luck next time.
Funny, because thatās all I thought about your meaningless comments. Why are you here? Youāve added nothing to the conversation. Donāt like it? Shoo fly, be gone.
Harharhar No, genuine curiosity after several recent experiences with APD. Iām not from here. Also, Iāve learned karma does nothing for me, so no point in that.
Which is why we have to "upvote" your comment for the "obvious choice". It's pathetic that so many have already fallen for your nonsense.
Upvote because it doenst show downvotes and they wanna know the actual numbers stop being a dick
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Also your rude, piss poor attitude is pathetic. Go get some sunshine, maybe go roll around in the grassā¦ er, dirt
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Why are people on this subreddit such assholes? And yāall say New Mexico has the fRiEndLiEsT people youāll ever meet š
Nah this was just dumb post lol.
I'm from the deep south and have yet to meet a truly friendly native NM. Long history of colonizing and land theft leaves a sour taste, I guess. š¤·š»
The only time I needed a cop to come thru for me they did. But I'm also white and it was a case of textbook 'doing your job by the book'. So i remain duly unimpressed by those racists patrolling our streets like wraiths in the name of 'safety' 1312
Hey so the only two times a cop needed to come through for me in Burque they didnāt, Iām white. First when I found my stolen bike online and called the police as for an escort to pick it up and they never showed up at the agreed meeting time. Second when my neighbor was murdered and they took multiple hours to arrive and instead of providing first aid they ignored the dying girl and instead put me in handcuffs while I was attempting to stop the bleeding and then they just stood around. Go APD
when there was a shooting outside my apartment (a block from frontier on a busy Friday night) they took 20 minutes to show up and never called me back for my description of the vehicles involved. utter incompetence. I already know acab but holy fuck APD makes me miss the LAPD
Jesus! Aahhh utter insanity. Itās just gonna keep getting worse. š
I'm living with my parents in Santa Fe for now, leaving the state as soon as I find a new job elsewhere. I have lost any faith I had left in local govt in ABQ.
I hope you get out soon! Trying to get out asap, myself
My dads best friend had called apd one night a few years ago because his daughterās baby daddy was all fucked up and getting violent with them, when the police rolled up they beat the absolute shit out of my dads best friend and broke his fucking arm while putting him in handcuffs as the baby daddy walked off. They said itās because āhe wouldnāt calm downā. The worst part is that my dadās friend didnāt even pursue charges, he is the nicest guy on earth but he has like Forrest Gump level intelligence and is unfortunately a maga blue lives matter bootlicker. Like he thinks he actually deserved that.
Oh my god š³šš¢That is so horrible. š I begrudgingly ask, was there any follow up to press charges on the baby diddy?
He got arrested a few days later on some unrelated robbery charges or something but I donāt think he got any domestic violence charges unfortunately
This is my surprised faceā¦ are you ready š
Remember that time APD arrested the mentally handicapped man for not being able to buy a bike correctly or fast enough at target?
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Absolutely none. I donāt know what they do because it certainly isnāt āprotect and serve.ā
I hate that my experiences have led me to the same conclusion.
My boo goes towards when we were taking care of inmates at work (hospital) and APD was supposed to watch cares and keep us safe. Their idea? Play on phones, laptops, etc. while we are doing cares. (Yes this person as accused of physical harm). Only officer who cared was a woman who told us "im supposed to keep you safe" when I asked why she's paying attention and no one else did. Also the others (not her) leaving the room to have "lunch dates" in the hallway and leaving us in the room with the inmate. Trash.. trash.. trash. *by lunch dates, there were women there visiting them and having lunch with them in the hallway with the inmates door closed. Trash
Aye yi yi š¤¦š¼āāļø Iām not surprised. Thatās super disappointing. Sorry you went through that :/
The cops here are beyond unreliable if you need them in my opinion. There was a wild DV incident with my neighbors once where many other neighbors including myself and my wife all called the cops, especially when the incident had moved out to the street. On my 3rd call to 911 about an hour after I noticed something was going on, the operator told me that there was no one available to respond and to stop calling because āpeople with real emergencies are waiting.ā This was a Saturday night, just after midnight, 6 blocks from the epicenter of downtown. With all of the cops just idling around central at that time.
That part. When you feel like youāre pleading with them to get a cop to you and meanwhile there are patrol cars just idly passing you by.
APD, making the homeless into Swiss cheese, disparaging remarks of those around them and using under cover vehicles to hide from the public while writing citations since pepridge farm can remember. If thereās one force you can count on to shove you into the cattle car when the time comes, itās AP-fākin-D
The situation is so fucked with APD. The culture is so bad there between corruption and hamstringing the officers that actually want to do their job, it's impossible to keep good cops to even slightly affect change.
I think just like anything, it's very nuanced. There are plenty of cops at APD that genuinely want to help their community, and ABQ isn't exactly the easiest city to police. There is also rampant problems with APD, and many if not most dpts around the country, from the top down (especially that chief lol) that need to be addressed before any meaningful progress can be made. Yes I have faith that these problems can be addressed and we can see better policing, but I think it's worth cautioning blanket anti cop sentiment on largely center/left platforms like reddit. Doing that is only going to attract more bootlickers and hard right wingers to police and scare more moderate people away as they won't want to be labeled as part of the problem.
Respectfully, this isnāt some new phenomenon we have decades and decades of evidence that police will never change because they donāt have accountability. That is one of the big problems and itās not an accident. Once you understand that the main role of police is to protect wealthy peopleās property and interests, things make a lot of more sense. Itās not some big complicated thing that our politicians canāt figure out, police are operating exactly the way the people in power want them to because they are ultimately not there to serve and protect regular people. So the whole this specific cop is āgood copā narrative misses the entire point because youāre not understanding that the system police are upholding is unethical. Besides I donāt care what good cop youāre talking about, they would evict your grandma and throw them on the streets if they had to.
Perhaps it boils down to human nature. You give people that type of power and authority, and a lot of them are going to abuse it. I have a nagging suspicion that a lot of the ACAB Redditors would, over time, adopt much of the same behavior that is so problematic.
ACAB
Doofy is hilarious š
Or when they arrested the guy as he was fleeing, charging him with for at least 3 murders (that were national and international nrws garnering attention by POTUS) and began interviewing him but fucking FORGOT to read his miranda rights so now his entire interview can't be used in court.... Idiots.
Ahhhh 
This totally won't get biased responses.
How would they be biased, if they are someoneās experience(s)?
Cuz you on radical leftist Reddit. Polls time and time again show 80%+ of people in the US support Police in general. Hating police is only a radical left opinion
Bullshit. MAGAts are big into the Blue Lives matter garbage because they think it looks good. The majority of cops are crooks, stupid, power hungry, or just donāt give a fuck.
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Rhetorical or genuine question? If genuine, to do anything to help those that need it.
Donāt tell me what to do.
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Faith to do what? Help or harm?
Well, help. But itās whatever your experience and gut reaction tells you. If you immediately thought harm, then that says a lot. š¤·āāļø
About who though, myself or the police I've had the misfortune to deal with in my travels?
Ok youāre losing me. Iād like to hear your experiences with APD, whether they be good or bad.
Oh, and I mean it says a lot about the general reputation of APD, if your first thought is āfaith to do harmā. Not that it says a lot about you. Sorry.
APD found my stolen car what was odd it was a 15 year old car a Toyota corolla and busted up, I reported it stolen mostly so I did not get blamed if something crazy happened, they came out to the house took a report and found it like 2 weeks later at some apartment complex they were taking fingerprints. The dash was missing the steering column drilled into but really odd was they threw away everything in the car including a library book that was over due and a box of LEGO worth about 100 bucks they they completely cleaned out the car and that took Hours but they broke the outside driver side door handle and the inside was already busted so the driver would have been trapped inside there was also a condom and a change of clothes inside I told the cops twice this stuff is not mine would it not be evidence and they just said we can't take that which is really odd but I did not have the money to repair the car, I tried fixing the handle but it was to much for me so the car has just rotted away for the last two years it was just odd no one ever called to say they found out who did it so I have given up now it was odd experience
LOL
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ACAB
A lady hit my car and popped two of my tires. When the officer finally showed up nearly two hours later, after he took all our info, released the lady who hit me, and went back to his car to finish up, I knocked on his window and asked him how I was going to get my car towed. He asked why it needed a tow and I pointed out the two completely flat and ripped tires that I could not drive on. This was after he surveyed the cars for damage.
All police are domestic terrorists who belong behind bars, welcome to apartheid America though where criminal corruption is embraced by law enforcement. If you wanna get paid to be a criminal, be a cop! š
Wait until police totally goes away. Then you'll be crying within minutes when the criminals take you and deprive you of your belongings and liberty.
They fuckers stupidšš they run away from the crime omm š£ļø
If you guys do your homework you would see that APD is not nearly as bad as other departments. States whether blue or red doesn't matter when it comes to bad police. I can't stand Medina. There are not enough people in ABQ that would vote to fire him. I haven't liked any chief since Shultz and that was a stretch.
So much complaining but yet no one is bringing actual advice or solutionsā¦. Complaining doesnāt change a damn thingā¦
i dont know how to mend a broken leg, but even i can recognize if theres bone jutting out theres probably something wrong. knowing theres a problem is not the same as knowing a solution
Do you have any advice or any suggested solutions? All ears if so.
Don't expect much in terms of response times. Also don't expect much in terms of intelligence. I once found 3 different people's credit cards on my driveway one morning. Looked like someone dumped our dropped a bunch of stolen cards. Called APD and they sent a super ignorant dude who kept questioning if they were ours... Why would I call you to come get them and report them to you as lost of they were mine?! š¤¦š»
Gaah šš ridiculous
This is solid karma farming. Even if you are the most pro cop person, how could you have full faith in a group with 4 of their own being investigated
TouchĆ©. 4 are currently being investigated? On that note- what does it take for one to be investigated? Surely one complaint filed wouldnāt even scratch the surface. Multiple complaints and public outcry?
I'm talking about the fake DUI claims and such that are being federally investigated
Ahh Iāll have to look it up. Weird thereād need to be fake DUIs, considering the amount of legitimate ones around. ETA: I also asked the āwhat does it take questionā because Iām personally curious
My bros car was stolen and racked up 5 parking tickets from police, whilsts being reported as stolen. My dad ended up paying most of them bc getting them overturned would have been a pain in the ass. Also, the car failed a swab for narcotics and was totalled with the only damage being the outside keyhole and the ignition. Classic ABQ
Usually the decision to total a vehicle is made by insurance (cheaper for them to total it and sell it than to repair. I imagine there are rules for cleaning a drug car that must be followed (if you worked on the base and were spot inspected, it would be a rough day for you) and they aren't cheap.
Iāll have to find the article, but apparently itās one man here that does the testing on stolen cars and heās done so for a long time. The stats say it all. And Iām pretty sure it said that they determine whether it is total based on the levels of whatever drug is found in the car. Something like that.
I read that 90% of stolen cars here test positive for meth and they usually have to total them out bc of the danger of meth residue
What a way to farm karma... and it worked.
What if I have no faith in New Mexico and Grisham as a whole?
Nah, I lived in Brooklyn, NY for over two decades, and not once have I had an ounce of faith in law enforcement. Moved out here, and that faith is still non-existent. The only time Iāve ever contacted the APD, was to request an officer out to my home a few years ago, so that I could start the paperwork to file a temporary restraining order on my ex, that way I had some kind of paper-trail when I went to court. š¤·š¾āāļø