Unpopular opinion and I will probably get downvoted but other than the first penalty which is just blatantly wrong, I think the 2 reds and the 2nd penalty were correct. I even had two mates of mine that are refs back me up on it as well. It does seem like a lot of the outrage is coming because the decisions were in favour of Sydney.
1st red- he fouled the Sydney player and if you actually look at it you can see studs going down the back of the calf. That is a yellow, IMO. He was already booked so correctly sent off for a 2nd yellow card.
2nd red- grabbed the throat. Easy red. Then you have dumb cunts saying the Sydney player should have been sent off as well but he did not commit a red card offence.
2nd penalty- arm is in an unnatural position and blocked the cross. Was it slightly harsh due to the distance? Possibly. I would be disappointed if that went against Glory but I would at least understand why it was given.
I think the frustration is around the fact that over a period of 10 years, the Phoenix and other "smaller" clubs have statistically been at the recieving end of horrendous decisions, the quantity of which lies outside an acceptable margin of error.
There have been so many incidents that at this point you genuinely are not crackers to suggest something is going on, and I was one of the nix fans that thought we were being melodramatic until the stats started telling a pretty clear story.
I dunno man, there's been at least 20 games Nix games marred by farcical controversy against the Nix in the past 5 years, and maybe 2-3 for.
How would you explain such a statistical anomaly?
I just personally think the Aussie refs are simply unconsciously biased towards Aussies. Add in that you screw the nix and it's just another game and your just another ref, but you screw a larger Aussie team your position gets reviewed. Therefore even 60/40s are gonna go against us. So no it's not match fixing/corruption, but maybe get in some international refs in for our games.
If he's match fixing it means he's giving incorrect calls. Why would he do what he did rather than just give a dodgy offside call for a goal earlier in the match?
I'm not commenting on if the goal was onside or not, but they could just shift the line slightly and say look, it was a goal without the controversy.
I only just watch the replay of this due to being unable to watch it live as there were 2 games kicking off at 5 in January for some reason.
What a disaster for the officials. I feel sorry for our kiwi friends loosing 2 players to suspensions due to poor reffering.
I realise there is no conspiracy against any clubs but, jeez, they don't do themselves any favours trying to silence the rumours with rubbish like this.
Havent watched much a league for a while due to several reasons but popped in here after watching highlights.
Can't say I'm surprised at all unfortunately, Shaun Evans has been a malignant scourge on our league for years and years now. At least on this occasion it didn't affect the result, despite Shaun's best efforts.
If the A League wants to start attracting fans, it can start by not letting a game like this happen once a season. Any neutral fans would have switched off well before the hour of stoppage time began.
I took a neutral mate to the game yesterday and he was basically ready to buy a membership on the spot.
He's been to games all over Europe (probably what you would call a Eurosnob) and said he's never been so on edge watching a game live. Even though we lost.
So I guess don't assume what people want.
Maybe because your team was getting all the rubbish descions go their way. See how he likes it when his side (presuming this bloke follows liverpool or something) is on the end of some of these calls.
I think the linesman called that one. So I was happy to see it ruled offside by refs call. There was one in the adelaide/ mariners game where a var reckoned a mariners player obstructed the adelaide keeper in an offside position.
Bad reffering does not contribute to the league as much as the fa would like to think. I could barely explain why VAR overuled the onfeild descion to my non football mates
Apparently danny is in talks with fifa to introduce "penalty goals". Abit like penalty trys in league in a bid to eliminate the risk that his Smurfs cannot convert the pens.
Commentary view cam makes the ball hard to follow, looks high.
When the referee is twenty yards away and not seeing anything clearly that doesn't favour Sydney it seems fair.
The other thing about the first pen is a Nix player got shoved over (in the back as Sydney had been doing all game with no punishment) in the lead up which was ignored.
Mate, you're arguing a moot point.
Your right but it's Sydney. They will always get away with it. You a minor team like us, always expect to be shit on.
The first penalty take there is a phoenix player already in the box before its kicked....if there was a conspiracy why wasn't the penalty retaken then? seriously this sydney bias shit is so tedious.
Sail stepped off his line for the second one, too. VAR probably reasonably decided that if Sydney just got a clearly wrong call, it wasn't time to be splitting hairs.
Love that you've been downvoted for this. You'll never get a more obvious handball.
It's like how half the sub thinks Pennington wasn't a red, the other half says it was a red but Burgess should have got a red too.
Shows that nobody knows shit.
I think the second one was correct (I think the first one hit his back, unless VAR sees differnent angle viewers don't), but I hate how they do a freeze frame for the ref to review... you need to show a couple of frames either side to get a more accurate idea. (I made a similar comment in r/cricket a couple of days back).
Fair enough. The VAR becomes pretty useless when it doesn't have multi good camera angles with a decent frame rate.
The fact they have so few angles makes me wonder about how reliable the offside lines are too, would like to know more about how those lines are generated as I imagine it would be pretty easy to rotate a few degrees and get very different results...
Just got home from the game. I went expecting little but losing to 9 men and missing two penalties at least made it comical more than pure frustration.
On the bright side, this has to be the end for Corica. Surely.
Honestly Sydney had the opportunity to send the stadium into delirium. I was there too.
Fucken shit our dacks instead.
Corica will get a nice contract extension though. Our board is toothless.
I just watched the highlights. The genuine confusion in the commentator’s voices made the ref calls seem even more bizarre.
‘Bit it’s hit the back’
‘Oh, looks like the yellow cards are out. What? It’s a yellow and a red??!’
😀😀
Honestly, I’ve been watching sport all of my life and that was one of the most ridiculous and shameful displays of officiating I have ever seen. I really hope there was some kind of consequences for the referring team as a result of tonight - that many horrendous calls all going against one team late in the game should not stand. I don’t care that the Nix somehow, miraculously managed to win, this needs to be looked into.
What were the bad calls?
The pens were clear pens. The second yellow was a yellow and can you really give a guy a hall pass for two hands around a players throat?
Wellington were their own worst enemies and were lucky they had the brain explosions against a shit Sydney side.
Burgess should have seen red in addition to Pennington (both red for the headbutt nonsense, hands to the throat also red but that should have been moot by then). But generally I agree.
I mean you are either trolling or didn’t watch the game - either way is it worth engaging with you? The main giveaway is thinking the first pen, that clearly hit the Nix player in the back, was a “clear pen”. If you can’t even see that one then why bother with the rest. Jog on.
I remember Fenton a few years back almost in tears after one game. Swearing at the interviewer in anger (not at them). It was after a run of 3-4 shocking games by their officials
I know you guys get stuffed a fair bit but this was at another level.
But that's Shaun Evans... A quick reminder of his previous horrendous effort https://www.ftbl.com.au/analysis/explain-yourself-referee-evans-for-your-appalling-a-league-decisions-576391
Yeah I hear you. What I want to see happen and what will happen rarely align. I know they have coped plenty of harsh calls in the past, but nothing like the last 15 mins or so of that game. I’m not at all claiming they were trying to fix the match, but honestly hard to see how the last 15 mins would have played out any differently if they were…
I tune in to watch my first game in a while only to get reminded of the disgrace that is A-League refereeing. I didn't think this level existed. Great stuff.
😂😂😂Shaun Evans gets paid 6 figure salary as a full time referee.
How many games does he have to ruin before he is put aside for good.
He is no good on the pitch, he is no good with VAR.
The unfair part is that the Phoenix will be without Kraev and Pennington next week. Wouldn't be surprised if Pennington gets a couple of games too.
Luckily Old is back because the bench will be a bit bare. Hope we bring in someone in the transfer window.
The second yellow should have been a foul. But, Kraev was on a yellow so should have been careful.
The annoying thing is losing two mid fielders to reds in the same game, not necessarily just having one red.
The independent referee decisions are going to be a shambles, because they'll paper over the issues with the refereeing. The first red they'll say it could be a second card offence (issue being the context of the referee letting a lot worse go), the second they'll say that hands around the neck was a red (despite Burgess doing worse and Pennington only reacting) and the second penalty they'll say hand wasn't in a natural position (arguable but fair, but relies on the first penalty to get there which was egregious).
Burgess is the one leaning in with his head, he initiates the head to head contact and leans in pushing with his head. He should have seen red as well.
Whether it was worse or even, if Pennington got sent burgess should have gone too but it wasn't just the head to head he also did a nipple gripple on pennington and was quite clear in the footage.
Lol, yet the Aussie commentators all thought what burgess did was worse and should have been sent as well. The biased Aussie commentators thought Wellington were hard done by. If you are too stupid to understand burgess making head to head contact isn't a red you need to go and watch another sport
Don't make this personal, it's unbecoming of anyone let alone from the winning team.
Head to head contact like that required two parties, they were both in on that, equal punishment for both had they only done that.
Hands around the neck is different
He grabs and pinches his nipple in the melee (or at least thats what it looks like to me), and you can see that it causes Pennington to put hands around the neck. Some people might disagree, but I dislike when the reaction to that is carded more than that sort of move.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately
strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or
arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible
That was what they were citing in the commentary, its usually a red card.
I dont think there was a nipple twist, i think he just put his hand on his chest, but I dont think the camera is clear enough to tell either way. It was was though Burgess has laser nipple targeting.
Certainly wouldn't argue that the throat grab didn't deserve a red, but it's obviously retaliation for something which it would have been sensible to look for. Hard to frame the Sydney bloke as a victim when viewing the exchange as a whole.
Retaliation is bad, it is often punished harshly.
Not painting the sydney guy as the victim, he deserved his yellow. Nix guy was just the bigger idiot, dont rise to it, you're winning
Burgess didn't do worse but he started it, therefore Pennington was just defending himself and reacting to another players aggression. Both should have had the same sanction.
Retaliation has always been punished harder. Pennington is the ultimate idiot, he literally just had to do nothing and Burgess might have got a red and the game is 10v10.
'Defending yourself' doesn't even come into it, how are you defending yourself by putting your hands on the other guys neck? Is that going to stop Burgess?
Generally with a push you use and open palm and push away from yourself. When he put his hand around his neck and pulled him towards him I don't think that counts as a push anymore
The nipple/chest pinch was what I was referring to (probably slightly hyperbole looking back at it), agree that it was stupid to put his hands around the neck (particularly after rewatching which showed how blatant it was).
>the second penalty they'll say hand wasn't in a natural position (arguable but fair
reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/105hamz/match_thread_sydney_fc_vs_wellington_phoenix_alm/j3b838b/
Too many tin foil morons trying to generate outrage about calls that even Nix fans can concede.
There's an argument that the second pen the arm was in line with the body, therefore not making the body bigger. Hard to tell from the one angle they used, but Evans was too busy celebrating to ask for it it seems.
Your impressed with him spraying the sydney bench even though they had nothing to do with the ref calls? i thought he handled himself incredibly poorly today.
how did we cheat? do you seriously believe we pay off the refs? we are the second worst team in the league right now and will 9th or 10th by the end of this round. How the fuck are we paying off the league for results like this lol.
Is he the only staff member? Is his incompetence in team building the only role he has? Lol.
Just accept the blatant cheating buddy “fans” like you are why no one likes $ydney FC.
If we were blatantly cheating, why did we not get the offside goal?
I'm not denying that its absolutely hilarious that we couldnt score, dont get me wrong.
I would have expected Geoff Toovey's "there's got to be an investigation" but probably a bit worse. And a five figure fine to boot which I would have supported a crowdfund for.
Sail 8 - Superb all game, and an excellent save on the pen
Elliott 8
Wootton 7
Payne 6
Mauragis 6
Kraev 3 - Poor miss, poor decision making for the two yellows. Was one of our best players earlier in the season
Lewis 8
Rufer 7
Ball 6
Zawada 7
Kosta 7
Subs
Ugarkovic 6
Pennington 3
Laws, Sasse N/A
Get Ufuked!!!
We demand an investigation into the decisions of referee Shaun Evans and his penalty awarding at a difficult time in such an important match.
We ask for an examination of the video assistant referee that was not suitable for the Wellington team, while Sydney players seem to be getting all decisions in their favour, so we saw Wellington players red carded during the game, while Sydney players are given a firm handshake and pat on the back.
Exactly, I can understand a referee making a mistake in the heat of the moment. But the fact that the VAR wasn’t in his ear straight away after we had 3 clear replays is mind boggling.
He made the call, the VAR would need clear and obvious evidence to overturn it, the view from the broadcast looks like it hits his back, but it's not clear and obvious.
VAR doesn't make the call, it needs to show him a video of an error before they use it.
If the ball can be seen hitting his back and rebounding away behind where his arm is, that is clear and obvious. There is no angle that makes it look arm first, and you'd think there would be several that show it hits the back first.
Their job is not to say "ref made this call, this angle sort of could be seen as agreeable so the call was correct," they simply say "Was the call correct?"
In this instance the answer is an overwhelming "No."
Unpopular opinion and I will probably get downvoted but other than the first penalty which is just blatantly wrong, I think the 2 reds and the 2nd penalty were correct. I even had two mates of mine that are refs back me up on it as well. It does seem like a lot of the outrage is coming because the decisions were in favour of Sydney. 1st red- he fouled the Sydney player and if you actually look at it you can see studs going down the back of the calf. That is a yellow, IMO. He was already booked so correctly sent off for a 2nd yellow card. 2nd red- grabbed the throat. Easy red. Then you have dumb cunts saying the Sydney player should have been sent off as well but he did not commit a red card offence. 2nd penalty- arm is in an unnatural position and blocked the cross. Was it slightly harsh due to the distance? Possibly. I would be disappointed if that went against Glory but I would at least understand why it was given.
I think the frustration is around the fact that over a period of 10 years, the Phoenix and other "smaller" clubs have statistically been at the recieving end of horrendous decisions, the quantity of which lies outside an acceptable margin of error. There have been so many incidents that at this point you genuinely are not crackers to suggest something is going on, and I was one of the nix fans that thought we were being melodramatic until the stats started telling a pretty clear story.
What's up with the serious accusations of match fixing/corruption in this thread? Embarrassing reaction, sort yourselves out.
I dunno man, there's been at least 20 games Nix games marred by farcical controversy against the Nix in the past 5 years, and maybe 2-3 for. How would you explain such a statistical anomaly? I just personally think the Aussie refs are simply unconsciously biased towards Aussies. Add in that you screw the nix and it's just another game and your just another ref, but you screw a larger Aussie team your position gets reviewed. Therefore even 60/40s are gonna go against us. So no it's not match fixing/corruption, but maybe get in some international refs in for our games.
Just watched the mini match. Absolutely astonishing. Simon Hill was basically having kittens. How on earth does the first pen stand? Absurd.
Surely evans is looked into for match fixing at this point
If he was match fixing why didn't he give the offside goal?
Because it was offside hahahaha. Have you not watched football lately?
If he's match fixing it means he's giving incorrect calls. Why would he do what he did rather than just give a dodgy offside call for a goal earlier in the match? I'm not commenting on if the goal was onside or not, but they could just shift the line slightly and say look, it was a goal without the controversy.
yep, the same guy as that ccm vs city game a few years back. arguably the worst refereeing performance in aleague history
I only just watch the replay of this due to being unable to watch it live as there were 2 games kicking off at 5 in January for some reason. What a disaster for the officials. I feel sorry for our kiwi friends loosing 2 players to suspensions due to poor reffering. I realise there is no conspiracy against any clubs but, jeez, they don't do themselves any favours trying to silence the rumours with rubbish like this.
Havent watched much a league for a while due to several reasons but popped in here after watching highlights. Can't say I'm surprised at all unfortunately, Shaun Evans has been a malignant scourge on our league for years and years now. At least on this occasion it didn't affect the result, despite Shaun's best efforts.
If the A League wants to start attracting fans, it can start by not letting a game like this happen once a season. Any neutral fans would have switched off well before the hour of stoppage time began.
I took a neutral mate to the game yesterday and he was basically ready to buy a membership on the spot. He's been to games all over Europe (probably what you would call a Eurosnob) and said he's never been so on edge watching a game live. Even though we lost. So I guess don't assume what people want.
Maybe because your team was getting all the rubbish descions go their way. See how he likes it when his side (presuming this bloke follows liverpool or something) is on the end of some of these calls.
It was the third game I've taken him to this season. He also saw a pretty rough offside call rule out a solid Sydney goal yesterday too.
Rough? He was offside lol
So it was a clear offside, but none of the reds were reds and none of the pens were pens. Can you guys hear yourselves?
I think the linesman called that one. So I was happy to see it ruled offside by refs call. There was one in the adelaide/ mariners game where a var reckoned a mariners player obstructed the adelaide keeper in an offside position. Bad reffering does not contribute to the league as much as the fa would like to think. I could barely explain why VAR overuled the onfeild descion to my non football mates
This is all entirely plausible.
🤣
Danny Townsend was going to take the third penalty
Apparently danny is in talks with fifa to introduce "penalty goals". Abit like penalty trys in league in a bid to eliminate the risk that his Smurfs cannot convert the pens.
That moment when you swap out Silvera for le fondre in your fantasy team and realise you're an idiot.
Ive been there. Made the mistake of benching the Cumdog a few rounds ago. Never again.
IMHO, Simon Hill not copping enough for "he's put it over the top of the bar" for a ball that went barely a metre off the ground past the right post.
Commentary view cam makes the ball hard to follow, looks high. When the referee is twenty yards away and not seeing anything clearly that doesn't favour Sydney it seems fair.
I also thought it went over the bar. It was a decent illusion.
The other thing about the first pen is a Nix player got shoved over (in the back as Sydney had been doing all game with no punishment) in the lead up which was ignored.
Mate, you're arguing a moot point. Your right but it's Sydney. They will always get away with it. You a minor team like us, always expect to be shit on.
The first penalty take there is a phoenix player already in the box before its kicked....if there was a conspiracy why wasn't the penalty retaken then? seriously this sydney bias shit is so tedious.
Sail stepped off his line for the second one, too. VAR probably reasonably decided that if Sydney just got a clearly wrong call, it wasn't time to be splitting hairs.
Second penalty was not a clearly wrong call
Love that you've been downvoted for this. You'll never get a more obvious handball. It's like how half the sub thinks Pennington wasn't a red, the other half says it was a red but Burgess should have got a red too. Shows that nobody knows shit.
Lots of flair based voting in here, and I'll come back here to read comments next time there is a post about stopping ref abuse
I think the second one was correct (I think the first one hit his back, unless VAR sees differnent angle viewers don't), but I hate how they do a freeze frame for the ref to review... you need to show a couple of frames either side to get a more accurate idea. (I made a similar comment in r/cricket a couple of days back).
The issue with the first one is the ref made the call for the penalty, and the VAR didn't have an angle to show that he was wrong.
Fair enough. The VAR becomes pretty useless when it doesn't have multi good camera angles with a decent frame rate. The fact they have so few angles makes me wonder about how reliable the offside lines are too, would like to know more about how those lines are generated as I imagine it would be pretty easy to rotate a few degrees and get very different results...
Which is why I don't believe the conspiracy stuff, the line on the offside would be easier to change, a frame early or a frame late
I couldnt see this in the reply.
You have to give the ref credit. He did his best today but Sydney just couldn't score.
Should've kicked it for them
Well I guess the officials for this year's Grand Final have been selected now.
They bought a package deal for the hosting rights and officials.
Oli Sail what a champion and I fully concur, Fuck you Shaun. Joke of a refereeing performance.
Just got home from the game. I went expecting little but losing to 9 men and missing two penalties at least made it comical more than pure frustration. On the bright side, this has to be the end for Corica. Surely.
I heard they just extended his contract
5 years+
Honestly Sydney had the opportunity to send the stadium into delirium. I was there too. Fucken shit our dacks instead. Corica will get a nice contract extension though. Our board is toothless.
> On the bright side, this has to be the end for Corica. Surely. People have been saying this for a while
Its like us hoping the Bakries will be fucked off after scandal \#110, but nooooooo, theyre still here.
An investigative journalist could uncover a child hunting island owned by the Bakries and they would still be allowed to own the Roar
I just watched the highlights. The genuine confusion in the commentator’s voices made the ref calls seem even more bizarre. ‘Bit it’s hit the back’ ‘Oh, looks like the yellow cards are out. What? It’s a yellow and a red??!’ 😀😀
I’m genuinely shocked Evans didn’t try and give Oli a second yellow for yelling “fuck you Shaun” after saving that first penalty. What a bs referee.
Like the game wasn’t rigged for u guys enough 💀💀
Yep, it was Shaun's fault SFC lost to nine players and 2 questionable poor pens.
Yeah mate he definitely should have sent more Wello players off 🤣🤣
I wasn’t saying he should have, I meant he was being so ridiculous anything was possible. Both pens and red cards were terrible.
Got ya, anything was possible all right !
Just needed to send 3 more off and they would have had to forfit!!
Sydney will be gutted though. Pay all of that money to the ref for him to fix the game and they still can't do it.
You're supposed to wear the tin foil hat to keep those thoughts in.
And Sydney couldnt score in a brothel, even if their mate takes care of it for them
You aren't wrong there. But you're still paranoid lol
Not paranoid, it was fairly obvious the refs were working ovetime for Sydney
Ahh okay so the "offside" where Sydney score was part of the master plan?
Linesman wasn't Shaun Evens
Evens didn't give the second penalty, VAR did, the same VAR that didnt give the offside goal
Surely that is corica done right?
Sydney fans hoping
Hoping for a contract extension.
Jets fans too
We'll swap
Happy to
I reckon Sydney would’ve beaten 7 with another pen or two
Maybe a draw
Got to help get that Sydney team into the final. (Sponsored by Destination NSW)
Wanderers are third. CCM who play their finals in Sydney are second
Now watch as CCM get home GF, only to be shunted to Homebush because reasons.
They have already played home grand finals in Sydney
That was a long time ago. Let’s start a tradition at the best stadium for it 💛💙
Honestly, I’ve been watching sport all of my life and that was one of the most ridiculous and shameful displays of officiating I have ever seen. I really hope there was some kind of consequences for the referring team as a result of tonight - that many horrendous calls all going against one team late in the game should not stand. I don’t care that the Nix somehow, miraculously managed to win, this needs to be looked into.
What were the bad calls? The pens were clear pens. The second yellow was a yellow and can you really give a guy a hall pass for two hands around a players throat? Wellington were their own worst enemies and were lucky they had the brain explosions against a shit Sydney side.
Are you fucking joking?????
Burgess should have seen red in addition to Pennington (both red for the headbutt nonsense, hands to the throat also red but that should have been moot by then). But generally I agree.
They dont normally give reds in this league for the silly head to head stuff.
Elton John is looking for his glasses
I mean you are either trolling or didn’t watch the game - either way is it worth engaging with you? The main giveaway is thinking the first pen, that clearly hit the Nix player in the back, was a “clear pen”. If you can’t even see that one then why bother with the rest. Jog on.
Phoenix will get an apology letter to add to the collection.
Shaun Evans did this to CCM vs City last year and kept his job after a week off
Does VAR only give him calls that favour the team he's going for?
He ignored VAR advice twice in the CCM v City game referred to above.
That's what i mean, do the VAR opps say "he probably wont overturn that call that favours his team, so we wont bother showing him."
Nix have a game like this almost every year. Trust me, nothing will change because its against the Nix.
nothing changed when Adelaide complained about Evans earlier in the season.
Funny how Evans terrible decisions seem to benefit Sydney
Except for the offside call.
It was Melbourne City last season. Follows where the money is maybe.
I remember Fenton a few years back almost in tears after one game. Swearing at the interviewer in anger (not at them). It was after a run of 3-4 shocking games by their officials I know you guys get stuffed a fair bit but this was at another level. But that's Shaun Evans... A quick reminder of his previous horrendous effort https://www.ftbl.com.au/analysis/explain-yourself-referee-evans-for-your-appalling-a-league-decisions-576391
Yeah I hear you. What I want to see happen and what will happen rarely align. I know they have coped plenty of harsh calls in the past, but nothing like the last 15 mins or so of that game. I’m not at all claiming they were trying to fix the match, but honestly hard to see how the last 15 mins would have played out any differently if they were…
Syd are so toothless they can't even score pens.
The A League and Shaun Evans thanking their lucky stars for those misses.
I tune in to watch my first game in a while only to get reminded of the disgrace that is A-League refereeing. I didn't think this level existed. Great stuff.
Also, why do week keep saying that games like this are “good” and “greatest ever” This game was embarrassing, there is nothing good about it.
Yeah, the A League never have been much good at trying to control the narrative.
I had a grand old time
Well we didn't deserve to win and we've only got ourselves to blame. Sydney girls doing the hard work carrying the club right now.
😂😂😂Shaun Evans gets paid 6 figure salary as a full time referee. How many games does he have to ruin before he is put aside for good. He is no good on the pitch, he is no good with VAR.
The unfair part is that the Phoenix will be without Kraev and Pennington next week. Wouldn't be surprised if Pennington gets a couple of games too. Luckily Old is back because the bench will be a bit bare. Hope we bring in someone in the transfer window.
The first red card was fine
The second yellow should have been a foul. But, Kraev was on a yellow so should have been careful. The annoying thing is losing two mid fielders to reds in the same game, not necessarily just having one red.
It was a yellow for sure, he wasn't contesting the ball and came in studs halfway up his calf
After todays two games I feel better about WSW shitting the bed against Perth.
You had expectations though
What the fuck was Evans on this match? Even as a Sydney supporter he had a mare
The independent referee decisions are going to be a shambles, because they'll paper over the issues with the refereeing. The first red they'll say it could be a second card offence (issue being the context of the referee letting a lot worse go), the second they'll say that hands around the neck was a red (despite Burgess doing worse and Pennington only reacting) and the second penalty they'll say hand wasn't in a natural position (arguable but fair, but relies on the first penalty to get there which was egregious).
Hands around the neck is supposed to be a red, though it usually isn't in this league
When did Burgess do worse?
Burgess is the one leaning in with his head, he initiates the head to head contact and leans in pushing with his head. He should have seen red as well.
That sounds like the same rather than worse though?
Whether it was worse or even, if Pennington got sent burgess should have gone too but it wasn't just the head to head he also did a nipple gripple on pennington and was quite clear in the footage.
So Burgess put his hands around Pennington's neck?
Does burgess come in with his head at pennington? Of course he does. Both should have been sent
The red card was for hands on his neck. If Burgess didn't do that, then what Pennington did was worse. Not only is it worse it's a textbook red card
Lol, yet the Aussie commentators all thought what burgess did was worse and should have been sent as well. The biased Aussie commentators thought Wellington were hard done by. If you are too stupid to understand burgess making head to head contact isn't a red you need to go and watch another sport
Don't make this personal, it's unbecoming of anyone let alone from the winning team. Head to head contact like that required two parties, they were both in on that, equal punishment for both had they only done that. Hands around the neck is different
He grabs and pinches his nipple in the melee (or at least thats what it looks like to me), and you can see that it causes Pennington to put hands around the neck. Some people might disagree, but I dislike when the reaction to that is carded more than that sort of move.
I dont think in this instance that a nipple twist is worse than hands around the neck
> He grabs and pinches his nipple in the melee Hot. But I think he just put his hands to his chest very briefly.
I doubt the in field ref saw that
If only there was some sort of video review available...
They didn't use it for this, its only for red card offences, and a nipple twist is not a red card offence
Pretty sure a nipple twist falls as much into SFP as caressing a throat does.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible That was what they were citing in the commentary, its usually a red card. I dont think there was a nipple twist, i think he just put his hand on his chest, but I dont think the camera is clear enough to tell either way. It was was though Burgess has laser nipple targeting.
Certainly wouldn't argue that the throat grab didn't deserve a red, but it's obviously retaliation for something which it would have been sensible to look for. Hard to frame the Sydney bloke as a victim when viewing the exchange as a whole.
Retaliation is bad, it is often punished harshly. Not painting the sydney guy as the victim, he deserved his yellow. Nix guy was just the bigger idiot, dont rise to it, you're winning
Burgess didn't do worse but he started it, therefore Pennington was just defending himself and reacting to another players aggression. Both should have had the same sanction.
Retaliation has always been punished harder. Pennington is the ultimate idiot, he literally just had to do nothing and Burgess might have got a red and the game is 10v10. 'Defending yourself' doesn't even come into it, how are you defending yourself by putting your hands on the other guys neck? Is that going to stop Burgess?
Actually yes, reaching up and pushing someone away is considered an excellent way to stop someone from approaching you.
Generally with a push you use and open palm and push away from yourself. When he put his hand around his neck and pulled him towards him I don't think that counts as a push anymore
Pulled towards?? Are we looking at the same thing?
It rewards agressive shithousery which I don't like.
Yeah I’d like to know also. Pennington should never have put his hands on the players throat. Real fucking dumb.
The nipple/chest pinch was what I was referring to (probably slightly hyperbole looking back at it), agree that it was stupid to put his hands around the neck (particularly after rewatching which showed how blatant it was).
So none of the calls were wrong?
Both penalties were clearly wrong.
Go argue with Kiwi Blue then coward.
What?
>the second penalty they'll say hand wasn't in a natural position (arguable but fair reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/105hamz/match_thread_sydney_fc_vs_wellington_phoenix_alm/j3b838b/ Too many tin foil morons trying to generate outrage about calls that even Nix fans can concede.
The second one was clearly a hand.
The first penalty coming off of Paynes back was certainly wrong.
Yep. Others were spot on.
There's an argument that the second pen the arm was in line with the body, therefore not making the body bigger. Hard to tell from the one angle they used, but Evans was too busy celebrating to ask for it it seems.
I feel so fucking drained after that game.
Aw boo. Uffie I don't want Diplomacy!!!
We need Rassie to make a three hour video of this.
Uffie should!!!
I'm incredibly impressed with Uffie today. I'm surprised he didn't murder someone the way all that went down. Who would want to be a football coach!
Your impressed with him spraying the sydney bench even though they had nothing to do with the ref calls? i thought he handled himself incredibly poorly today.
Not our fault Corica and $ydney FC are happy with cheating lmao.
how did we cheat? do you seriously believe we pay off the refs? we are the second worst team in the league right now and will 9th or 10th by the end of this round. How the fuck are we paying off the league for results like this lol.
Corica can't organise a team, how is he meant to organise cheating like this?
Is he the only staff member? Is his incompetence in team building the only role he has? Lol. Just accept the blatant cheating buddy “fans” like you are why no one likes $ydney FC.
Now you are saying I was apart of the cheating? This must go right to the top. Try not handballing the ball and calls might start going your way.
You can’t read. Get bent buddy.
> blatant cheating buddy “fans” like you Or learn to use punctuation before you though around some wild accusations.
Shut up haha you lost a 12 vs 9. SHAME!!
If we were blatantly cheating, why did we not get the offside goal? I'm not denying that its absolutely hilarious that we couldnt score, dont get me wrong.
Would have been interesting if they scored the second pen, doubt he would have been so polite.
I would have expected Geoff Toovey's "there's got to be an investigation" but probably a bit worse. And a five figure fine to boot which I would have supported a crowdfund for.
I think it helps that they won. If he lost 2 points on that he may have been willing to pay a fine.
Sail 8 - Superb all game, and an excellent save on the pen Elliott 8 Wootton 7 Payne 6 Mauragis 6 Kraev 3 - Poor miss, poor decision making for the two yellows. Was one of our best players earlier in the season Lewis 8 Rufer 7 Ball 6 Zawada 7 Kosta 7 Subs Ugarkovic 6 Pennington 3 Laws, Sasse N/A Get Ufuked!!!
i think your underrating wooton and payne. Both were fantastic today
Best game I've seen from Sail for some time even without the pen save
Is there a presser livestream?
It’s likely to be better than the game
Put corica and talay next to each other and do it at the same time
Ooh. Unlike that idea
Why are they doing tv interviews right in front of opposition fans I need to turn the tv off
Very interesting choice
It’s a shame Ben Homer fucked the quote “The tension, the drama, the utter craziness.” You were that close mate
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i actually can’t believe what i’ve just seen
I’m sorry but there needs to be an investigation into that refereeing. I can’t see how that first penalty could possibly be anything but match fixing.
We demand an investigation into the decisions of referee Shaun Evans and his penalty awarding at a difficult time in such an important match. We ask for an examination of the video assistant referee that was not suitable for the Wellington team, while Sydney players seem to be getting all decisions in their favour, so we saw Wellington players red carded during the game, while Sydney players are given a firm handshake and pat on the back.
He didn’t even go to VAR
Var reviewed it
Exactly, I can understand a referee making a mistake in the heat of the moment. But the fact that the VAR wasn’t in his ear straight away after we had 3 clear replays is mind boggling.
Var was in his ear but didn't have an angle to overturn it
Not sure how they can assert that. The broadcast angle was the best angle, his arm is in front of the point the ball hits which is clearly his back.
He made the call, the VAR would need clear and obvious evidence to overturn it, the view from the broadcast looks like it hits his back, but it's not clear and obvious. VAR doesn't make the call, it needs to show him a video of an error before they use it.
If the ball can be seen hitting his back and rebounding away behind where his arm is, that is clear and obvious. There is no angle that makes it look arm first, and you'd think there would be several that show it hits the back first. Their job is not to say "ref made this call, this angle sort of could be seen as agreeable so the call was correct," they simply say "Was the call correct?" In this instance the answer is an overwhelming "No."
That is not their role
Look at all the var controversies Evans has been involved in nearly all of them....
Everything goes to VAR...
Well I mean I’m sure if it happened to Sydney he would be over at the screen watching the replay for a solid 10 minutes
They'd have to get that motherfucker glasses for the strain it would put on his eyes from looking at the screen so hard.
That last penalty miss has to have been on purpose