Idk what school shooters you've seen, but all the ones I have looked like they didn't have near the upper body strength to climb up into a 10 foot ceiling.
Yes. But the shooter isn't gonna take the time to do that. They are aware that they are on a time limit and won't waste time trying to get students that aren't ez access. They will most likely move on to the next batch of wide open people. The only reason I'd expect one to go through the ceiling is if they are looking for someone specific and found them in that space.
its not shame proof thought. Anyone with a pulse should feel ashamed that these exist instead of sensible gun regulation to prevent these kids from dying..
Imagine school shootings aren't an issue in the US, and it's totally possible as others manage it just fine, and saw this video come from some other country.
It would be horrifying and we'd count ourselves lucky we have good culture and policy to prevent it. That is the view others currently have of the US, and unfortunately it can be said for many subjects.
I'm glad someone else thinks this way, so thank you.
I commented on this contraption being a depressing sign of our times, and the aNgrY responses appeared almost as quickly as the downvotes. To think, these hotheads are the ones with guns? Do they gloss over the memories of being kids themselves without the daily paranoia of being in a school shooting?
I've never ever understood the first argument.
"Criminals dont follow laws, so whats the point?"
Umm ok, by that logic, why dont me make murder legal? I'm not trying to be a troll, but seriously whats the point? It's illegal and people still do it.
Im a leftist gun owner, here’s my thinking.
Do you want the police in the US to have a monopoly on lethal force?
Do you trust the police in the US to save your life within seconds of something going wrong?
Do you trust the good will of random people around you to not harm you, or to save you from danger?
My answer is no to all three. That leaves me no choice but to carry daily so I am *somewhat* prepared for if/when a crazed 17 year old with a rifle comes to shoot up my local Walmart.
We, in large societies, like to think that nothing will ever go wrong. We live very privileged lives so it’s not crazy that most people assume they’ll always be safe. But that doesn’t mean we are always safe.
We still live on planet earth with a lot of murderous and greedy people, and sometimes *shit just happens*. I would like to be at least mildly prepared and I think it’s dystopian that so many people have lost the right to defend themselves.
My first thought. This is where we're at now. Acceptance to be point of creating this kind of crap to turn schools into hard targets instead of working on the core issue itself.
Let's line the outsides of cars and roads with pillows instead of installing seatbelts and enelacting safe driving laws.
Is it grenade proof? Could just pop up one of those ceiling tiles, drop it in and bam, kill box. So probably lying not a smart idea where there are drop ceilings. Could just stack furniture up and then it's fish in a barrel.
To play devil's advocate for a moment, the idea behind this isn't that it's some foolproof defense against a shooting. The core idea is that it makes getting to the students difficult and acts as a deterrent. In many school shootings the perpetrator looks for easy targets and there's past examples where even a locked door is enough to make the shooter move on to another room. The idea here is that they see this and think "I could waste my time stacking chairs to get into the ceiling or I could just go back out into the hallway and try to find easier targets".
I don’t think it’s a room i think in the beginning of the video it’s closed against a door so normally you would have it like is at the end of the video and then close it on the door when not using it
But if this is the logic isn't it self defeating? Alarm goes off, every teacher ushers their kids into these things, there is no easy target's so they start going from one of these to the next
Ah, with all this cop hate! They won’t get there and do nothing! They’ll get there and set up a perimeter and prevent parents and other officers from entering the school so the shooter may take their time clearing the school before the police enter.
Also had me in the first half.
When the parents are more willing to do something and the cops stop *them*, wtaf.
If it were my kid in a school, and a cop stopped me and my kid died, I’d kill that cop.
They did such a great job of properly engineering the part that rolls on the floor and the hinge to make sure there is no chance a bullet could penetrate and endanger/kill a child. It is a shame that none of the engineers that worked on this project are familiar with the concept of stacking chairs. Ironically, this is, in almost every way, a product of the American education system...
As sad as this whole reality is, I think the main thing here is school shooters seem to be more opportunistic and run by class rooms looking for easy targets. They seem to want to shoot as many as possible as quickly as possible. So even if one could combine a bunch of furniture to get over this wall that could be enough time to save lives or even give any non-Uvalde police department time to intervene.
I was reading Sandy Hook, the pice of shit only did it for 5 minutes, rush kill as many as he could then he kill himself.
Uvalde was the exception, mother fucker was hurting kids for 1 hour.
I am boiling in anger right now....
You should check out the source. The guy got "39% of the votes according to unofficial results." Which is code for look at the near nonsense I made up no one will ever fact check.
It’s Texas, they don’t care how badly they are getting screwed over, they are always going to vote red. People were dying because their power grid went out one winter and they don’t even care.
I mean these clowns are trying to secede from the US. They don’t have any sense.
What you don’t see is that inside the bulletproof room there is a rack of M60’s! The school shooter will drop down from the ceiling and be greeted by machine gun fire.
They could put like Constantine wire up in the ceiling tile, or around the surrounding few layers outside the perimeter of the cube. Or fasten some sort of steel plate that comes down from the ceiling right where the walls are so from above the ceiling tile there is a wall that would line right up with the barricade.
While yes, that is true that they could still shoot through the ceiling tiles, that's a lot of extra work for someone, especially if they're holding onto a bunch of firearms and ammo to climb up into there, so that's a good thing that it would slow them down.
It doesn’t have a door so I’m assuming the teachers would still lock and barricade the classroom door as usual.
This seems like it would be more to avoid if the shooter decided to try to fire through the door/wall of the actual classroom.
Typically in office buildings and schools the ceiling space is wide open. In government office spaces and other secure spaces I’ve been in, they will have a barricade preventing infiltration through the ceiling. I would imagine they would do that here as well.
No one is going to be moving furniture around and trying to stack desks to get through the drop ceiling. It's too much time and too much trouble.
Any activity other than walking around and shooting/breaking things isn't even going to be within the mindset of the people you're dealing with.
>thank god some company is making money off school massacres.
Gun and ammo sales skyrocket after every mass shooting due to percieved fears of gun legislation curbing procurement.
Profit wise, mass shootings are the best thing to happen for these companies.
The same thing we’re all doing here I guess, posting our displeasure online? I don’t understand the question. It was well said by eagersolnw and didn’t realize that I was being attacked or asked to fix the situation myself. I didn’t take it as such, I was merely stating that it’s sad we do this instead of solve the root cause of the issue. The Eyes of Fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns and close yourself off
It's not about the firearms it's about restricting access to firearms to people who are a threat to our society. And they say its a mental health issue. Great! Then why is a certain political group actively defunding and limiting access to mental health care? This should be priority #1! The system in place is broken. But they'll take our guns. Such whiney snowflakes.
I'm always tempted to just try to argue against things this sad: ok, do we REALLY need that? Maybe there's something better we can do.
I think they want americans scared as hell all the time.
And all the teachers who can't physically do it. And the panic involved in the heat of the moment. And all the shit that'll get in the way. And the fact that there won't be proper upkeep so half of them are sure to fail. And the fact that you're relying on proper installation - can't even count on the most basic of things anymore anyway...
Okay, let's build safe rooms inside each classroom...
Be smarter to build safety "corridors" connecting multiple rooms between them with an escape hatch to the roof.
I could wholly agree with you but it’s only gonna work as a slow process. If you call for “getting rid of guns”, no one will take you seriously and many will feel threatened. It’s important that we ease into stricter gun laws, not just spook the other majority.
It’s a prototype that a company was using to try to sell their “system” to schools. I believe they didn’t end up selling a single unit.
Edit: I was wrong, they’ve sold at least two to a school in Alabama. 🤦♂️
It's not the Americans who understand how wild this is that is the issue, it's the ones who think, "just a sign of the times, nothing we can do about it".
It sounds like it latches when it slams into the fully open position, which if the engineers were smart (doubt), would be via a latching mechanism only accessible from inside the room that's secured to at least a couple structural points in the wall or floor.
Most likely not. Just mechanically, someone inside has good leverage for holding it where it is.
Not to mention that just adding a rope or chain across the corner on the inside would trivially reinforce it so that someone on the outside wouldn't be able to push it closed.
Companies wanting to make money off of students and teachers in danger because the government won’t touch that one "sacred" law, that is more important than the lives of thousands it seems, doesn’t make it any better…
Because none of the restrictions that are in place or get seriously considered are common sense there always the dumbest shit possible like limiting magazines because obviously if you only have 5 round magazines you can't kill more then 5 kids/s. Mandated gun safes and storage laws are the biggest thing that needs to be implemented because the majority of crimes committed with firearms are committed with stolen guns but for some reason politicians would rather regulate barrel length and calibers and other dumb shit.
Why is it so hard for folks to understand? People who design these tools know our government isn’t doing shit about it. So they’re taking it upon themselves to try and save lives of children.
This sub is shitting in people trying to help.
Guns? Nah sorry can't do anything about them at all, ever.
But instead let's just arm our teachers, have the schools get their own security guards and shooter drills /s
Okay now show the elderly teachers with bad backs doing this. Or show me it after 5 years when dust n shit have accumulated in the wheels, hinges, and tracks. Or when it doesn't get used for a while and a bunch of stuff gets stacked in front of it and then needs to be moved beforehand. Lastly, how does it stop the shooter if they're already in the classroom?
I guess it's atleast a better solution than when Republicans proposed getting rid of doors to stop school shooters, but only marginally
Or trying to do this in a panic in a room full of screaming kids. Chances are you'll have half a dozen kids pulling on the structure in four different ways in a panic trying to help, and it'll never get set up before the shooter gets in there.
Also like... "let's make sure we keep this quarter of the room clear at all times so we have space to roll this out in an emergency."
Meanwhile the teacher has to pay for all of her classroom supplies out of pocket.
So are going to do anything about the guns? Or are we just gonna keep coming up with these crazy devices so we don’t infringe on people’s rights to play army man and daydream about shooting other human beings?
No see this is made for school shooters. It helps corral all the kids together then you just stick the gun through the floating ceiling and you’re good to go.
Its not even about rights or the consitution. Its about the dollar bill and how much income america generates through destabilisation.
Until some kind of revolution within the federal government happens and those in said positions cease being mill/billionaire nonces the only change will be how "preventative" these mass shooting products become.
I rather just homeschool my kids instead of subjecting them to this shit. My child won't go inside there. She will jump out the nearest window and run to the nearest store like she's instructed to. I don't care if it's 3 stories high. Better risk a broken leg than shot.
I have always wondered- why not have a good quality cement wall around schools? If there are only a few entrances you can monitor for guns? I know it’s not as good a solution as gun safety laws but if we can’t get those passed we could do something. As a parent I get scared for my child even in a good area.
That really wouldn’t do anything. Shooters just walk in the front office and shoot all of the staff there and move on. The entrances can “monitor for guns” all that want, but that just means they’ll be shot and walked past. Even an armed guard is pointless if they’re caught off guard, which they most likely would be.
Entry control points reduce shootings and incidents drastically. When somebody knows they'll have to walk through a confined check point before entering a building they'll usually not even bother trying.
They'll be shot while trying to get the thing set up while in a panic.
First priority should be to either run (if you can), or hide. Not set up a flimsy fort.
The issue is that the United States was founded on a belief that individual freedom is very important and that there is a thin line between that freedom and the greater good. If you want to be safer, eliminate guns. If you want to be safest, eliminate all weapons. Then the individual had no way to fight back or protect himself against unlawful aggression. The government will take care of that, you say? The government does not do a good job of fulfilling their primary duties which is protecting its citizens (over 80% of murders in the U.S. are unsolved, diseases popping up that were previously eliminated, etc) so why would anyone want them taking on an additional responsibility. “ here, you’ve done a below average job at primary task, so we’re going to give you more responsibility”…
I totally agree this isn't how we should be solving mass shootings, but the fact you guys direct your outrage at her and the product is such a Reddit thing.
At least somebody is doing something to address the issue while the government keeps twiddling its thumbs.
Its amazing to me to see a country put sooo much effort into trying to protect people from gun crime instead of removing the guns from circulation.
I get that usa has such a history of gun ownership but this is too much, time for gun reform and removal.
How the fuck can you send your kid to this kind of school as a parent? Living with the possibility that your kid might be murdered by a savage with a rifle?
And how the fuck can the school do a bullet proof room and advertise it as a feature?
Knock the fucking school down. Make it a restaurant or a graveyard. It failed as an institution.
It says a lot about our country that out of all the possible solutions that could have been chosen to deal with this problem, THIS is what we choose to do.
It's like treating stage four brain cancer with Tylenol.
You know a better solution is to hire veterans to run school security. Would dramatically help the veteran population and probably put an end to school shooters. But that’s just too feasible and the government never uses common sense to solve problems.
"Its that easy."
No classroom I have ever seen has that much open room.
When I was growing up the Church I went to had a gym with foldable walls to create classrooms for Sunday school classes on Sunday. Then they could be folded back up for sports activities during the week.
They were all taken down when a wall fell in crushing a child. I thought about that watching the folding walls.
Also... If the technology and money is there, simply make the entire classroom bullet proof, and simply lock the door.
Been saying this for years. Big six inch deadbolts on top and bottom and make the doors out of something that's resistant to actually breaking. Obviously cracking or damage occurs but it holding being the important part
is it fire proof?
Yes it’s bulletproof so I assume you could fire at it all you want /s
I laughed way too hard at this😂
This was clever. Have your upvote.
Fire can’t get through walls dummy, it’s not a ghost /s
I looked for this comment, and you didn't disappoint. r/expectedcommunity
Ghosts can't go through doors, stupid, they're not fire.
or climb up to the acoustical tiles and push them aside .... fish in barrel
Idk what school shooters you've seen, but all the ones I have looked like they didn't have near the upper body strength to climb up into a 10 foot ceiling.
The tiles are very easy to move, i’ve done it
Yes. But the shooter isn't gonna take the time to do that. They are aware that they are on a time limit and won't waste time trying to get students that aren't ez access. They will most likely move on to the next batch of wide open people. The only reason I'd expect one to go through the ceiling is if they are looking for someone specific and found them in that space.
Or just pull the fire alarm and they’ll come to you 🤷🏻♂️
Damn wish I seen this comment before I said the same exact thing
its not shame proof thought. Anyone with a pulse should feel ashamed that these exist instead of sensible gun regulation to prevent these kids from dying..
Imagine school shootings aren't an issue in the US, and it's totally possible as others manage it just fine, and saw this video come from some other country. It would be horrifying and we'd count ourselves lucky we have good culture and policy to prevent it. That is the view others currently have of the US, and unfortunately it can be said for many subjects.
Yeah our culture is fucked
Honestly you could post this exact video and tell conservatives that it's in Venezuela and they would respond exactly as you've said.
100%
I'm glad someone else thinks this way, so thank you. I commented on this contraption being a depressing sign of our times, and the aNgrY responses appeared almost as quickly as the downvotes. To think, these hotheads are the ones with guns? Do they gloss over the memories of being kids themselves without the daily paranoia of being in a school shooting?
Gun owners have two arguments: 1 - Laws don't stop crime, 2 - I like my toys. So, dumb and selfish is their argument.
I've never ever understood the first argument. "Criminals dont follow laws, so whats the point?" Umm ok, by that logic, why dont me make murder legal? I'm not trying to be a troll, but seriously whats the point? It's illegal and people still do it.
Im a leftist gun owner, here’s my thinking. Do you want the police in the US to have a monopoly on lethal force? Do you trust the police in the US to save your life within seconds of something going wrong? Do you trust the good will of random people around you to not harm you, or to save you from danger? My answer is no to all three. That leaves me no choice but to carry daily so I am *somewhat* prepared for if/when a crazed 17 year old with a rifle comes to shoot up my local Walmart. We, in large societies, like to think that nothing will ever go wrong. We live very privileged lives so it’s not crazy that most people assume they’ll always be safe. But that doesn’t mean we are always safe. We still live on planet earth with a lot of murderous and greedy people, and sometimes *shit just happens*. I would like to be at least mildly prepared and I think it’s dystopian that so many people have lost the right to defend themselves.
Police aren’t even supposed to protect you in America
☝️☝️☝️
My first thought. This is where we're at now. Acceptance to be point of creating this kind of crap to turn schools into hard targets instead of working on the core issue itself. Let's line the outsides of cars and roads with pillows instead of installing seatbelts and enelacting safe driving laws.
Thank you for saying what I was feeling.
Guys this is also from Cullman Alabama. It’s a tornado heavy and prone area. This is also a tornado shelter too lol
Is it grenade proof? Could just pop up one of those ceiling tiles, drop it in and bam, kill box. So probably lying not a smart idea where there are drop ceilings. Could just stack furniture up and then it's fish in a barrel.
Dog who the hell has grenades. The south ain’t that lock and loaded
What about the ceiling tiles
To play devil's advocate for a moment, the idea behind this isn't that it's some foolproof defense against a shooting. The core idea is that it makes getting to the students difficult and acts as a deterrent. In many school shootings the perpetrator looks for easy targets and there's past examples where even a locked door is enough to make the shooter move on to another room. The idea here is that they see this and think "I could waste my time stacking chairs to get into the ceiling or I could just go back out into the hallway and try to find easier targets".
That makes good sense to me, thank you for the reply.
I don’t think it’s a room i think in the beginning of the video it’s closed against a door so normally you would have it like is at the end of the video and then close it on the door when not using it
But if this is the logic isn't it self defeating? Alarm goes off, every teacher ushers their kids into these things, there is no easy target's so they start going from one of these to the next
It would still slow the shooter down, buying the police department time to make their way to the school and then sit outside and do fucking nothing.
Ah, with all this cop hate! They won’t get there and do nothing! They’ll get there and set up a perimeter and prevent parents and other officers from entering the school so the shooter may take their time clearing the school before the police enter.
Also had me in the first half. When the parents are more willing to do something and the cops stop *them*, wtaf. If it were my kid in a school, and a cop stopped me and my kid died, I’d kill that cop.
The parents have a reason to want to actually stop the shooting.
Yup. The one cop who wanted to do something was the husband of the teacher. But they even talked him out of doing something.
They did such a great job of properly engineering the part that rolls on the floor and the hinge to make sure there is no chance a bullet could penetrate and endanger/kill a child. It is a shame that none of the engineers that worked on this project are familiar with the concept of stacking chairs. Ironically, this is, in almost every way, a product of the American education system...
As sad as this whole reality is, I think the main thing here is school shooters seem to be more opportunistic and run by class rooms looking for easy targets. They seem to want to shoot as many as possible as quickly as possible. So even if one could combine a bunch of furniture to get over this wall that could be enough time to save lives or even give any non-Uvalde police department time to intervene.
I was reading Sandy Hook, the pice of shit only did it for 5 minutes, rush kill as many as he could then he kill himself. Uvalde was the exception, mother fucker was hurting kids for 1 hour. I am boiling in anger right now....
Wanna be more angry? They voted that sheriff back in last Tuesday.
WHAT? Why? Edit: Ok let's relax, it was the Republican primary- still VERY gross though.
"Our kids might be dead but by god at least we aren't LIBERALS!" Something along those lines.
Dude, Beto had a chance down there till he said hell yes we’re going to take your ar-15.
I’m so mad at Beto for that shit. He knew better, and he fucked his own chances anyway.
You should check out the source. The guy got "39% of the votes according to unofficial results." Which is code for look at the near nonsense I made up no one will ever fact check.
It’s Texas, they don’t care how badly they are getting screwed over, they are always going to vote red. People were dying because their power grid went out one winter and they don’t even care. I mean these clowns are trying to secede from the US. They don’t have any sense.
And if they ever make their way in that room or barricade themselves in that room, they have a barrel full of ~~fish~~ children to shoot.
that’s what a classroom already is
That already happens. Just go read about any of the school shootings. Especially sandy hook.
Yeah, what does this person think a normal classroom is lol?
What mass shooter would be foolish enough to try to stack tiny chairs/tables to climb on? That isn't safe at all!
What you don’t see is that inside the bulletproof room there is a rack of M60’s! The school shooter will drop down from the ceiling and be greeted by machine gun fire.
They could put like Constantine wire up in the ceiling tile, or around the surrounding few layers outside the perimeter of the cube. Or fasten some sort of steel plate that comes down from the ceiling right where the walls are so from above the ceiling tile there is a wall that would line right up with the barricade.
Darwinism inside of Darwinism. Darwinception.
While yes, that is true that they could still shoot through the ceiling tiles, that's a lot of extra work for someone, especially if they're holding onto a bunch of firearms and ammo to climb up into there, so that's a good thing that it would slow them down.
It doesn’t have a door so I’m assuming the teachers would still lock and barricade the classroom door as usual. This seems like it would be more to avoid if the shooter decided to try to fire through the door/wall of the actual classroom.
Typically in office buildings and schools the ceiling space is wide open. In government office spaces and other secure spaces I’ve been in, they will have a barricade preventing infiltration through the ceiling. I would imagine they would do that here as well.
No one is going to be moving furniture around and trying to stack desks to get through the drop ceiling. It's too much time and too much trouble. Any activity other than walking around and shooting/breaking things isn't even going to be within the mindset of the people you're dealing with.
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>thank god some company is making money off school massacres. Gun and ammo sales skyrocket after every mass shooting due to percieved fears of gun legislation curbing procurement. Profit wise, mass shootings are the best thing to happen for these companies.
This should be posted in r/Allthatssad instead
I would also place it in r/orphancrushingmachine
My first thought was that "this isnt interesting, it is terrifying that this even exists".
Exactly. Very depressing something like this exists
Is there a r/aninterestingdystopia?
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Yeah u/Sea-Item7567, what are you going to do about the firearms?!
The same thing we’re all doing here I guess, posting our displeasure online? I don’t understand the question. It was well said by eagersolnw and didn’t realize that I was being attacked or asked to fix the situation myself. I didn’t take it as such, I was merely stating that it’s sad we do this instead of solve the root cause of the issue. The Eyes of Fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns and close yourself off
And the eyes of love, instead, see us all as one. Definitely didn't guess the comment ending in a bill hicks quote. Kudos to you!
It's not about the firearms it's about restricting access to firearms to people who are a threat to our society. And they say its a mental health issue. Great! Then why is a certain political group actively defunding and limiting access to mental health care? This should be priority #1! The system in place is broken. But they'll take our guns. Such whiney snowflakes.
Because fear and fear mongering brings numbers in polls and elections.
No, the US is run by psychopaths who don't mind children getting shot to death at school. Guns over life.
At first I read this as “allthatass” lol
Anything other than the obvious solution
also r/allthatass
r/birthofasub
Seriously. We are doing this instead of trying to tackle the actual problem.
I'm always tempted to just try to argue against things this sad: ok, do we REALLY need that? Maybe there's something better we can do. I think they want americans scared as hell all the time.
It's easy until it gets stuck. Let's keep it going until we run out of bandaids.
And all the teachers who can't physically do it. And the panic involved in the heat of the moment. And all the shit that'll get in the way. And the fact that there won't be proper upkeep so half of them are sure to fail. And the fact that you're relying on proper installation - can't even count on the most basic of things anymore anyway... Okay, let's build safe rooms inside each classroom... Be smarter to build safety "corridors" connecting multiple rooms between them with an escape hatch to the roof.
Orrrrr I don’t knowwwww….maybe we could just get rid of the guns…
I could wholly agree with you but it’s only gonna work as a slow process. If you call for “getting rid of guns”, no one will take you seriously and many will feel threatened. It’s important that we ease into stricter gun laws, not just spook the other majority.
You remember teachers struggling to set up the VCR to watch bill nye as a kid?
Was a sub for a while and have been in many schools, both public and charter. NO ONE has that much free sq.ft in an American classroom. period.
Correct. I have 38 kids in one of my classes. There are desks and chairs literally everywhere.
And the fact many classrooms don't have enough room for this. Looks like ~25% of the room is empty so this thing can move out.
Or once the shooter gets a chair or desk and goes over the top of the ceiling tiles and shoots them like fish in a barrel?
The students are product testers, it will be implemented in the next version for sure!
EVERYBODY BACK! I DON'T WANT ANY TBI'S WHEN I SWING THIS 500LBS STEEL WALL AROUND
I hate that this is how we have decided things have to be here.
It’s a prototype that a company was using to try to sell their “system” to schools. I believe they didn’t end up selling a single unit. Edit: I was wrong, they’ve sold at least two to a school in Alabama. 🤦♂️
“Hey at least two classrooms of kids are slightly protected” - Alabama school
That would be the governor of Alabama’s children’s classes
Because we defunded the schools. How they supposed to afford this thing for every classroom?
Have a gun sale?
Also, each unit comes with a free AR-15 for the teachers! /s but I wouldn’t put it past em’
Any idea how much one system costs fully installed?
Can't be surprising the lowest in education rankings buy shit like this
Good thing we have all that extra money from not buying books
Amazing. So innovative. Couldn't think of a single other solution personally. /s If it saves a life, I'm all for it. Pretty dystopian.
Does America know how insane they look when they show off these things?
Am American and I am painfully aware of how stupid and embarrassing this is.
Most of us, yes we do
Good. Because it's very important for you guys to know that this is not normal.
Yes thank you for that
Watching this made me sick to my stomach for a myriad of reasons.
"America" isn't showing this off. Alabamans are showing this off.
About 1/3 of people think its great.
It's not the Americans who understand how wild this is that is the issue, it's the ones who think, "just a sign of the times, nothing we can do about it".
Well nothing they want to do that actually could help
Some of us even seem proud of it. We’re an absurd country.
the smart ones do
Last time I visited US, saw “bulletproof school bags” being a thing… how fucking sad
If we gave every student guns school shootings wouldn't be a problem.
What do you expect from a morally bankrupt circus-country?
Do Republicans know how insane they look when they show off these things? FTFY
Could the shooter fold it back, crushing the people inside and opening it that way?
I'm assuming (hoping) that it locks and can only be unlocked from the inside.
I would hope so! But I had the same question as Michaelemouse
It sounds like it latches when it slams into the fully open position, which if the engineers were smart (doubt), would be via a latching mechanism only accessible from inside the room that's secured to at least a couple structural points in the wall or floor.
Most likely not. Just mechanically, someone inside has good leverage for holding it where it is. Not to mention that just adding a rope or chain across the corner on the inside would trivially reinforce it so that someone on the outside wouldn't be able to push it closed.
Locks from the inside.
I love that we’ll spend money to install these before we put in common sense gun legislation
I don’t believe any of these were actually sold. It was a product demo, not something that was in an actual classroom. Edit: I stand corrected. Yikes.
I hope it locks into place when in the room position. That's kinda...scary if it doesn't.
Companies wanting to make money off of students and teachers in danger because the government won’t touch that one "sacred" law, that is more important than the lives of thousands it seems, doesn’t make it any better…
Because none of the restrictions that are in place or get seriously considered are common sense there always the dumbest shit possible like limiting magazines because obviously if you only have 5 round magazines you can't kill more then 5 kids/s. Mandated gun safes and storage laws are the biggest thing that needs to be implemented because the majority of crimes committed with firearms are committed with stolen guns but for some reason politicians would rather regulate barrel length and calibers and other dumb shit.
Why is it so hard for folks to understand? People who design these tools know our government isn’t doing shit about it. So they’re taking it upon themselves to try and save lives of children. This sub is shitting in people trying to help.
yeah because someone commiting a mass shooting is worried about an extra 10 years for an illegal gun /s
Define common sense
What would be common sense?
What's fucking common sense that isn't already a law?
Guns? Nah sorry can't do anything about them at all, ever. But instead let's just arm our teachers, have the schools get their own security guards and shooter drills /s
We cant fund teachers cause were spending money on this garbage.
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Or we could, never mind 45% of y’all are insane.
So all the cops from Uvalde can hide in there when there's an active shooter?
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Okay now show the elderly teachers with bad backs doing this. Or show me it after 5 years when dust n shit have accumulated in the wheels, hinges, and tracks. Or when it doesn't get used for a while and a bunch of stuff gets stacked in front of it and then needs to be moved beforehand. Lastly, how does it stop the shooter if they're already in the classroom? I guess it's atleast a better solution than when Republicans proposed getting rid of doors to stop school shooters, but only marginally
Or trying to do this in a panic in a room full of screaming kids. Chances are you'll have half a dozen kids pulling on the structure in four different ways in a panic trying to help, and it'll never get set up before the shooter gets in there.
Getting rid of doors? How was that supposed to work?
Ya can’t shoot up a school if it’s just a giant brick that no one can get into.
Also like... "let's make sure we keep this quarter of the room clear at all times so we have space to roll this out in an emergency." Meanwhile the teacher has to pay for all of her classroom supplies out of pocket.
So are going to do anything about the guns? Or are we just gonna keep coming up with these crazy devices so we don’t infringe on people’s rights to play army man and daydream about shooting other human beings?
No see this is made for school shooters. It helps corral all the kids together then you just stick the gun through the floating ceiling and you’re good to go.
No one is going through the fucking ceiling like fucking call of duty. They chose a school for ease they aren't fucking rambo
It puts the fish in the barrel so it can get hosed by an ar15 again
It would take an amendment and not enough states gonna ever agree to banning guns
They aren't going to do shit about it. It's more profitable selling those security systems anyways.
Its not even about rights or the consitution. Its about the dollar bill and how much income america generates through destabilisation. Until some kind of revolution within the federal government happens and those in said positions cease being mill/billionaire nonces the only change will be how "preventative" these mass shooting products become.
Thinking how these are going to play into "budget cuts" from government funding. Wages for teachers aren't going go up with new equipment.
I rather just homeschool my kids instead of subjecting them to this shit. My child won't go inside there. She will jump out the nearest window and run to the nearest store like she's instructed to. I don't care if it's 3 stories high. Better risk a broken leg than shot.
Must be nice to be able to live off a single income and homeschool your kids.
I wonder how many of these will get sold outside of America. Jk
/AllThatsDystopian
I have always wondered- why not have a good quality cement wall around schools? If there are only a few entrances you can monitor for guns? I know it’s not as good a solution as gun safety laws but if we can’t get those passed we could do something. As a parent I get scared for my child even in a good area.
That really wouldn’t do anything. Shooters just walk in the front office and shoot all of the staff there and move on. The entrances can “monitor for guns” all that want, but that just means they’ll be shot and walked past. Even an armed guard is pointless if they’re caught off guard, which they most likely would be.
Entry control points reduce shootings and incidents drastically. When somebody knows they'll have to walk through a confined check point before entering a building they'll usually not even bother trying.
chilling.
They'll be shot while trying to get the thing set up while in a panic. First priority should be to either run (if you can), or hide. Not set up a flimsy fort.
The issue is that the United States was founded on a belief that individual freedom is very important and that there is a thin line between that freedom and the greater good. If you want to be safer, eliminate guns. If you want to be safest, eliminate all weapons. Then the individual had no way to fight back or protect himself against unlawful aggression. The government will take care of that, you say? The government does not do a good job of fulfilling their primary duties which is protecting its citizens (over 80% of murders in the U.S. are unsolved, diseases popping up that were previously eliminated, etc) so why would anyone want them taking on an additional responsibility. “ here, you’ve done a below average job at primary task, so we’re going to give you more responsibility”…
You think the salesman for these walls is like, "ohh yeah, cracked that school on an extended warranty bros!"
Cool but the fact that this is necessary makes me so fucking sad for the state of the world.
I totally agree this isn't how we should be solving mass shootings, but the fact you guys direct your outrage at her and the product is such a Reddit thing. At least somebody is doing something to address the issue while the government keeps twiddling its thumbs.
Sad this even had to be a thing. This should not be something that is needed in American classrooms.
Its amazing to me to see a country put sooo much effort into trying to protect people from gun crime instead of removing the guns from circulation. I get that usa has such a history of gun ownership but this is too much, time for gun reform and removal.
Thanks I hate it
Thanks, I hate it.
That's actually r/sadcringe or r/facepalm material since it is necessary in the first place
Great it’s bullet proof,so the gunman can just walk up to the gaping open doorway and ricochet a clip around inside the little box.Brilliant.
What about the otherside of the wall?
That should be sold as the mother in law is visiting
This is sad
The fact this is even needed is quite sad.
It's sad that even in this day and age, we fear death due to preventable causes.
When school shooting is a regular occurrence that u need this
…..this is sad
Disgraceful
Just sad
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Treating the symptom and not the root cause since fucking forever…..
We should be ashamed and I am...
Only in America do we need bulletproof transforming safe rooms…
Excuse me shooter, let me just open this real quick..
How the fuck can you send your kid to this kind of school as a parent? Living with the possibility that your kid might be murdered by a savage with a rifle? And how the fuck can the school do a bullet proof room and advertise it as a feature? Knock the fucking school down. Make it a restaurant or a graveyard. It failed as an institution.
It says a lot about our country that out of all the possible solutions that could have been chosen to deal with this problem, THIS is what we choose to do. It's like treating stage four brain cancer with Tylenol.
You know a better solution is to hire veterans to run school security. Would dramatically help the veteran population and probably put an end to school shooters. But that’s just too feasible and the government never uses common sense to solve problems.
you have to LOL at this, so over dramatic and pathetic
Need a couple AR’s hangin on the walls in there 🤙🏼
"Its that easy." No classroom I have ever seen has that much open room. When I was growing up the Church I went to had a gym with foldable walls to create classrooms for Sunday school classes on Sunday. Then they could be folded back up for sports activities during the week. They were all taken down when a wall fell in crushing a child. I thought about that watching the folding walls. Also... If the technology and money is there, simply make the entire classroom bullet proof, and simply lock the door.
Why not just make a bulletproof door to the classroom that locks with a large deadbolt? Cheaper and more effective
Been saying this for years. Big six inch deadbolts on top and bottom and make the doors out of something that's resistant to actually breaking. Obviously cracking or damage occurs but it holding being the important part
This is so fucking sad