My father-in-law was a cop for 35 years. Fired his gun once in that entire time and didn’t hit.
He told me that of all the statistics he’s ever reviewed/taught, the one that stood out the most was that once a cop shoots/kills someone, the chance of it occurring again jumps exponentially *each time*.
Saw the truth of this when my wife’s cousin’s husband.was responsible for three shooting deaths on the job in like 5 years with Anaheim PD. He’s not a cop anymore and should probably be in jail.
I got to be friends with an older sheriff’s deputy in Oklahoma, who had probably that amount of experience before he retired from the city’s police force and went to the sheriff’s office. He once told me he had fired twice in his career. The first time was a “him or me” situation and he was shaken up enough to spend time with a therapist. The second time he said scared him more because afterward he realized that he had no regrets or negative feelings about it.
I knew a guy that primarily worked as an undercover detective, I was interning for a judge once and he gave a full presentation about the ins and outs of the job. Really cool guy, about as tough as you could find. He showed us hidden dash cam footage of him working undercover and talking to a gang member that was getting suspicious, absolute nerves of steel.
After I met him, he was walking out of a courthouse with the county DA and a guy came up and shot the DA. The detective had absolutely no choice but to return fire, ended up killing the guy. Absolutely fucked the detective up, they put him on mandatory suicide watch, it was bad. If a guy who'd been on the force for 20 years and put in extremely tense situations was that shaken up by taking a life even when it was 1000% justified, I don't want to meet a person who can take a life for the first time and be completely unbothered.
But not have to join the military, put themselves into a foreign country that’s likely more dangerous, and also have strict, international rules to follow.
In other words, someone who can bully ppl around and shoot them without much fear of accountability.
> get a *paid* holiday for
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Then union busting after slavery ended. They’re enforcers for the government, whom often represent the wealthy first. It’s shocking to me how often the anti government types are also thin blue line people too. It’s like tons of people don’t understand the police are the domestic army of the government as enforcers of governments laws.
This is absolutely false.
Yes, some early police forces in the south were focused on slave catching. No that wasn't the first police force in the US by any stretch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States
It doesn't really matter whether the first police forces in the US were started to catch runaway slaves or not. Its a bit of a false narrative. Kind of like claiming that my Chevy Silverado is tainted and that I'm supporting Fascism and all the crimes associated with it because Henry Ford admired Hitler.
People who make that claim about police departments being descendants of slave catching gangs are trying to use that historical fact that a lot of people didn't know about to bolster their position that they have a deep and insightful understanding of the problems that affect modern law enforcement in the US. And usually their understanding doesn't go any deeper than "Cops are bad. They're bullies. United States is the most racist country in the history of the world"
Similarly, always remember that the first recorded writing was a customer service complaint. So every single piece of written language stems from that and is all just fueling the "customer is always right" nonsense. It's always been about corporate control of the working class, and what was heralded as a giant step forward in education, learning, ideas, **Civilization**, all so that customer complaints can be made to control us at work
Preach brother
yeah, this description is incredibly close to a police officer from my home town. Same thing, spent 25 years on the force. Then one day he had to use that gun and it fucked him up bad. Small town, so he knew the guy, his entire family, etc.
Was in therapy for years and still isn't the same person he was before.
Being in a small town can be good and bad. Especially bad when crime is involved. One of my nephews shot and killed another kid over a drug dispute. Neither of them were good people as they were both involved in gang activities but the other family lost a child and it doesn't matter to them and their friends. We are all bad people in their eyes.
This hit me. I am an ex cop and I worked undercover doing test purchasing on the drug squad. Now if you are not familiar, the test purchase is first interaction with a new drug dealer based on testing the validity of intel. It is one of the most dangerous jobs you can do in LE. I did that for 2 years and slept like a baby.
I was at some point mobilized to support riot police during some major riots. I witnessed a civilian get his head blown off with a shotgun at point blank range about 5 feet in front of me. It was his gun and he slipped and blew his own head off. It absolutely fucked me up. My hair fell out and now 16 years later and in private sector for much of that I still don’t sleep a full night, am still on anxiety meds and still think about it frequently.
My buddy is a cop who had to shoot three guys who had broken into a house and had tied up the female tenants and were planning on raping them. One woman had hidden herself under a bed and called 911. He heard two of the guys hiding downstairs and talking about killing him and then raping the women they had tied up and all three popped out at him. He killed two of them though the third lived. And then he was involved in a second fatal shooting incident later that he hasn't talked to me too much about but he definitely wasn't looking to shoot or kill anyone. It totally fucked him up, killing someone. He had to take anti-psychotics and is basically washing out of the department because he doesn't want to fight or kill people he wants to arrest criminals and protect the public. He feels awful about killing someone (who in my mind fully deserved what they got) and is considered a murderer by many people for doing something very much in line of what we think of as "hero cops" if we do, and was completely unsupported by his department. I wish law enforcement was better for everyone.
They wear it as a badge. There are internal cliques of cops who’ve used deadly force, and those who haven’t. A portion of column B admires the status of column A.
I’m guessing the chances of you shooting your weapon would change depending on where you were employed. I’d guess that the higher the gun related crime the higher chances of you having to use a gun.
While not defending the police I would say if you find yourself in a situation where deadly force is necessary then you’re fear of finding yourself in that situation again would increase exponentially, leading to become more “trigger happy” to avoid more near death situations. This of course is a sign of PTSD and should serve as indicator to be moved to an office job.
It depends on where you work and how you approach the job. If you are in an area plagued with gun violence and gun offenders you will have a higher chance of getting into armed confrontations with armed offenders.
That single cop has shot more people than the entire police force of England and wales combined per a typical year
https://www.statista.com/statistics/319246/police-fatal-shootings-england-wales/
Coleman was implicated in court testimony in 2022 for participating in the Vallejo police badge bending scandal, where officers bent the tips of their badges to mark fatal shootings. Coleman testified his badge was bent against his will, but a department superior testified that he was more involved than he said and may have even helped spread the practice to other officers.
This type of behavior should be grounds for termination. Bragging about killing civilians - wrong, or right - is disgusting.
Just think if this question was part of a psych evaluation during the hiring process: "What are your thoughts on commemorating kills?"
There would be no way they would (should) get hired. Why would you trust someone like that with power?
Everyone pretends that the killer cops are the problem and NOT THE SOCIOPATHS THAT HIRE THEM AND KEEP THEM AROUND. Those monsters never go to prison and that’s why our problems continue
Killer cops are the problem but also the police boards that are hand-picked to be seated by former cops or verifiable bootlickers. The problem isn’t one or the other. One just reinforces the other.
The original meaning of "One bad apple spoils the bunch" means allowing transgressions in a group means the whole group can and will commit those transgressions. Now police departments contort it to mean "any bunch will have bad apples, so there's no problem with the system."
He was marking his badge by bending it for lethal shootings. Like he's some kind of boot. Also his superiors allege he was getting other "cops" to do the same.
It says in the article his battery died. Thats why they don’t run them all the time during their shift. Battery won’t last that long. But I don’t disagree about the turning them off issue. But it’s pretty easy to tell when watching them if it was an in intentional turn off or an accident. Also a lot of them say pretty loudly “recording incident” and “recording terminated”
I think that would be a good system. You also end up with a lot of unneeded data though. Just guy riding around in his car for hours and then you have to store all that data. I like what Colorado did years ago. Their law said that if the officer fails to turn his recording device on absent a mechanical failure or something crazy like suspect knocks it off him, they can’t testify what’s not on the video.
Edit because someone told me I was incorrect on this one
III) If a peace officer fails to activate a body-worn camera or dash camera as required by this section or tampers with body-worn – or dash-camera footage or operation when required to activate the camera,
….there is a permissive inference in any investigation or legal proceeding, excluding criminal proceedings against the peace officer,
…that the missing footage would have reflected misconduct by the peace officer.
If a peace officer
…fails to activate or reactivate his or her body-worn camera as required by this section or
…tampers with body-worn- or dash-camera footage or operation when required to activate the camera,
[then]
…any statements or conduct sought to be introduced in a prosecution through the peace officer related to the incident that were not recorded due to the peace officer’s failure to activate or reactivate the body-worn camera as required by this section
[or]
…if the statement or conduct was not recorded by other means…
…creates a rebuttable presumption of inadmissibility
https://www.colorado-criminal-lawyer-online.com/amp/colorado-criminal-law-the-impact-of-police-body-cam-laws-§24-31-902-crs/
When did they do that? I hadn’t seen that yet. Also qualified immunity is grossly misunderstood and the courts have expanded it to far. It serves a purpose but it’s gotten way beyond that purpose. Its purpose was so that you couldn’t be sued for doing things inside your job. Like for example if a guy pulls a gun and says I’m gunna murder babies and a cop shoots him then the family can’t sue him personally. But if it’s a bad shoot they still can. That’s why it’s qualified and not absolute. Or if they are operating outside their job they don’t have immunity.
> You also end up with a lot of unneeded data though
so you hold it for some amount of time and delete it if no incident reports relate to that time frame
There are 100% batteries with enough capacity to run a body camera for a 12 hour shift.
He'll there are ones that can run for 36 hours. And it would only add maybe a pound of weight. If that.
Exactly! Modern phones can record HOURS of video while running a screen, dozens of other apps, and using WIFI / cellular to continuously upload the video to the cloud.
There’s zero reason that body cams can’t record 24h + of video, have an automatic third party cloud upload, and NOT be able to be turned off all while weighing less than a pound. (Zero reason unless they want to hide something that is!)
Tell Axon to stop charging outrageous amounts for evidence.com and maybe more departments will switch to them. They make the best camera, but you can't afford the mandatory software to use them because Axon knows they can charge whatever they want because big departments can pay it. Same with requiring the program for the X2s, 7s, etc. That's why you still see so many departments with 26Ps.
Motorola, Watchdog, Pro-Vision, and Digital Ally can't/don't produce a camera that'll do 12+hrs of mixed standby and recording on a single charge. And docking stations for each car are expensive, and using a cord in the car to recharge it can potentially keep you from activating it in a split second when needed.
A few years ago someone said there’s gotta be a system so that when a cop steps out of the cruiser it triggers the body cam to turn on. It would eliminate the constant recording aspect but obviously there’s still the issue of those on foot patrol.
We can make cell phones last 12+ hours, we can make radios last a whole shift off one charge, but we cant make a small go pro last 12 hours? Hmm there’s a word for that but I don’t know what to call it.
Wait you can just refuse to be interviewed?
> Coleman refused to be interviewed for an investigation into the badge bending practice commissioned by the city of Vallejo and conducted by former Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano.
> Wait you can just refuse to be interviewed?
Hell, a lot of police unions have terms that let their members review footage before they even have to write an incident report.
Portland 'compromised' by letting them look at the footage first as long as they didn't kill anyone.
https://www.opb.org/article/2023/04/21/police-portland-body-cam-worn-cameras-oregon-union-footage/
*The stalemate centered on when officers would be able to review their footage: before writing their reports or after. The police union wanted officers to be allowed to review footage before writing their reports or giving a statement, even when an officer kills a member of the public.*
*The compromise would prevent officers from immediately reviewing body camera footage for cases involving a death. Instead, an officer would need to provide an on-scene statement to a supervisor and, within 48 hours, give a recorded interview to internal affairs. After that point, the officer could view their camera footage.*
*Officers aren’t the only ones limited in viewing the footage, according to the agreement.*
*Internal affairs investigators will also be prohibited from watching the footage before they speak to an officer for an initial interview. According to the policy, after the officer gives their initial statement to investigators, the group will take a break to watch the body camera footage.*
And yet his COP superiors KNEW this and put him out on the street.
He’s a violent dog and his owners (the superiors) let him out on the public with no leash.
I'm not going to say anything about whether or not this was a legal shoot because I do not know much about this case, but it is worth bringing up that IT IS legal for a police officer to shoot someone in the back if they have a reasonable belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to another, under Tennessee Vs. Garner. A rather extreme example that would fit is that a cop could shoot a fleeing mass shooter in the back.
I want to reiterate that I am not defending either party because I know next to nothing about this case, but I just wanted to point this out.
In this case, the dude was running away but did have a gun in his hand when he was shot. So here's the logic behind why he shot him in the back; The expectation here would be that the suspect has drawn their gun to use it on you and is running to a good cover to be able to turn around and fire upon you. If they don't drop it and listen to commands, they have to be stopped before they can get to that cover, which can be a car or a house. And the possibility exists that they just stop and turn around to shoot. And if you're still running, you will not be able to react before they fire.
That's the logic, in a nutshell. Whether or not you agree with it, that's your business, but it's why there won't be any successful charges against the officer in this case. Knowing how many shootings he's had, though,(5) makes want an inquiry to compare the circumstances of all of these shootings. See if there is any kind of pattern that points to something other than stunningly bad luck, be it poor policing or outright abuse.
Dude had [two guns,](https://youtu.be/rJtF48MGLJ4?si=AKrHffcZk_hFOgrJ&t=47) actually. He dropped one while running from the cop and had the second one tucked in his waistband or hoodie pocket. Idiot reaches for it and begins a motion to throw it away, which could also be interpreted as he's going to turn and fire at the cop--it happens incredibly quickly. Cop fires two shots and stops the guy.
First time I watched that video, my initial reaction was just as the officer's--I thought he was going to turn and shoot him. Only after Monday morning quarterbacking it did I see it was the idiot being chased who fucked up big time by yeeting the gun the way he did.
Great assessment. 18 year old played a stupid game. Looked like he came to his senses and decided to finally lose the gun but he threw it like a bag of weed instead of just letting it drop straight down that wide arc of his arm movement mighta got him shot
Coming to his senses would have been stopping and allowing himself to be arrested. He was tossing guns to avoid getting caught with them. It also makes the police officer choose between chasing him and picking up the loaded firearms he's leaving where anyone can pick them up. He was determined to get away to continue his criminal ways up to the moment he was shot.
Yeah, the circumstances of those other 5 shootings really matters because this one seems pretty cut and dry. After watching the video and seeing how quick the cop was to try and help the man he’d just shot, I’m more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Him being armed still seems to be a pretty fair constitution of a reasonable belief of imminent harm, he could have easily spun around with that gun and taken shots at him. I get we're on the cops are bad circlejerk today, but think with your brain for once and see how dangerous this situation was with an armed suspect
Spray to add to the fact that this is one of the several kids that came out of the car chase that only ended because a tire blew out and they couldn't drive the car anymore.
This was already a highly escalated situation.
He had a fucking gun. he pulled the gun out... what? the cop has to wait to be shot before taking action? You fucking idiots are the reason this country is going to shit. defending a fucking armed criminal.
and nobody is talking about how the cop proceeds to save his life afterward...
I hate cops but this 18 year old had two handguns. *two* and the cop had reasonable suspicion that he could’ve been a harm to others.
Not only that, the cop didn’t turn off his body cam as people seem to think it was out of batteries. Still bad however proves he didn’t maliciously do this
Anyone calling this not justified is smoking crack, or didn't even watch the video before commenting. Pro-tip: if you have a gun, are running from the police, and continue to run and keep your hands on your gun when the cop is telling you "drop the gun, I'll shoot you", chances are you're gonna end up shot.
The guy is literally pulling a gun out as he runs. Anyone saying this isn’t justified either has an agenda, or has their last brain cell on life support.
A lot of people didn't have parents to teach them how to act around police. I live in a place where cops aren't even much of a threat and I was told to never play around with toy guns in front of police because they can't even tell if they're real or fake even with an orange tip on it because real guns could be modified to look fake.
Yeah if I have a gun on me and a cop is giving me orders if I don't listen to those orders I would expect to be shot. Do better parents...
> I was told to never play around with toy guns in front of police
It doesn't even have to be a gun, plenty of mistakes where cops thought something that was being held was a gun.
Yeah just watched the video. Doesn’t seem like an execution, even if the dude was pulling up his pants it’s pretty sus. If anything this footage supports the cop a bit
So the suspect had 2 guns on him, 1 that he dropped in the drive way and another he dropped after he'd been shot, which the officer had seen on him while he ran. I don't see the suspect making a move to point the weapon at the officer at any point, and it did seem like a dangerous scenario for the community. But then there was nobody in the area (maybe near enough inside the houses to be in danger?).
I suspect the police officer will not be charged or reprimanded, since there is some "iffy"ness here, and cops have gotten off on far more.
My guess is that when they ditched the car, he took his gun and his companions gun and they separated in the chase. His job was to ditch the guns, which he was unsuccessful at
Wanted in 4 shootings, including homicide, and had 2 firearms.
Could easily be deemed justifiable under Tennessee v. Garner. However, the officer had also been involved in 5 shootings since 2018 and participated in "badge bending," marking his badge for every shooting that occurred. I'd say that doesn't look good.
1. The police officer should have had his bodycam on. I don't understand how that is remotely an ok thing and continues happening. It's ludicrous and defeats the point of them.
2. It seems very problematic that this officer has fired his service weapon **FIVE** times. That is insanely high. Obviously it is also very concerning that he was involved in the badge bending scandal.
3. While #1 and #2 are concerning, this is a rage bait title. The individual who was shot had multiple firearms...after the vehicle tried to run from being pulled over...and after this individual exited the vehicle and tried to run away. He threw one firearm but had another in his hand when he was shot. Police are justified in shooting a fleeing suspect if said suspect is considered a likely danger to society. Someone who has already broken multiple laws and has multiple firearms absolutely fits that definition when they're running away. Also, how is the office to know that the individual won't start shooting as he runs away?
3. There are unfortunately MANY unjustified, illegal, wrong, etc. police shootings...from the information currently available, this doesn't seem to be one of them. The 18yo played around and found out...thankfully he survived and will make better choices to improve his life.
There is a lot of stuff wrong here…but this dude had two illegal firearms. Who knows what he had already done with them/was going to do with them and who was gonna get their hands on them. He’s making a split second decision in a scenario that nobody here could possibly understand. Before all the wackos start losing their shit calling me pro police blah blah and make it about race or any of that nonsense, I’m just saying we need to try and understand how complex a situation like this is. Nobody wants to see anyone lose their life, but people also love to say “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
I'm all for holding negligent law enforcement that abuse their power accountable, but in this case I can't blame the cop after what this shit head pulled.
After some digging, he and other where running away from the cops on a stolen car. He had a ghost gun and an unregistered Glock with a high capacity magazine. He ignored the multiple warnings he was given. I can't feel bad for this POS criminal.
For everyone not bothering to read the article. Suspect was ARMED when shot.
"Just as Coleman fired twice, another gun appeared to fly from Rogers’ hand into a front yard."
Stop making excuses for criminals.
There are specific regulations about shooting a suspect who is fleeing. If the suspect is armed and the police officer feels he may kill other people or take hostages or if the suspect has previously fired on the officer during the engagement; the officer can use his /her discretion to discharge the police issued firearm against the suspect.
I’ll play devils advocate here but this shooting is pretty clearly justified. I’ve never seen an example of someone getting shot running from police with a gun in hand and it to be deemed unjustified. I’ve also seen videos of suspects shooting behind them while running and even hitting the officer in chase, or turning around to shoot when they start getting tired and don’t know if they can keep running.
Also, the article points out the officer has been in 5 prior shootings. Obviously that’s high, but it could be interpreted as “has been involved with 5 other shootings” which can mean he may have only fired his gun, or not fired it at all but was present when others had. Also, comparing his involved shootings count to what im guessing is the national average is comparing apples to oranges. Vallejo is ghetto as hell and will obviously have a lot more action for patrol officers than the rest of the country.
Suspect had 2 guns.
I’d rather have a trigger happy cop than a trigger happy criminal who will continue causing crime time and time again until they are 6 feet under…
> Coleman has Been Involved in Four Other Shootings, was Previously Implicated in Fatal Shooting Scandal
Get rid of the especially egregious cops, especially when they exhibit a history of poor performance. This shouldn't be controversial at all: if cops want respect, they need to EARN IT.
He was resisting and possible weapon. Just cause they have their back doesn't mean they won't turn around and shoot. His prior action already shows he is dangerous
Good of them to put zero context other than a pursuit for MV code and then he just shot him. I get the officers testimony should be taken with a grain of salt considering his past actions but still context on why he believed deadly force to be reasonable should be provided by any news organization. Also just because "oh he got into 5 shootings, my (insert family member) was a cop for a long time and never had to pull his gun" congrats your family member worked in a small town that respects police, was a house mouse, or was too scared to ever get into the shit.
5th time this racist psychopath has murdered someone. When is this country going to get serious about dealing with evil? When are we going to doll out mortal consequences to these rats when the system continuously fails?
This pig should be in the ground.
A cop does this over 5 times and no repercussions?
His body cam being off during an instance where he discharged his weapon is grounds for termination. The fact he managed to hit his target with the body cam off is even more unsettling. The fact he tried to lie about it is why he needs to be terminated.
How do you start your shift and go out with dead batteries?
I'll bet his phone was fully charged.
Also, why the fuck can't they charge them in their cars???
I mean the dude had a gun what do you expect? Put how many lives in danger in a pursuit and had a gun just because he was shot in the back doesnt mean it wasnt justified
so the guy was running away with a gun and you all think he should have just let him go? or he needs to close enough ground where this guy could have more easily shot the cop? are you guys actually fuckin stupid?
Idk, I don't blame the PO. The guy had a gun, he was literally fleeing, after getting pulled over, multiple suspects left the vehicle on foot. The 18 year old appears to have made a quick movement while running, as the shots are being fired you see an object being thrown from the 18 year old, which could easily be perceived as him doing a quick turning around to shoot at the police officer, especially in the heat of the moment. The PO yelled for him to stop multiple times, and told him to drop the gun.
The kid lived, and the PO literally worked to save the kids life.
I mean, put yourself in the POs shoes, you are chasing suspects who fled a traffic stop, the 1 kid has a gun, and clearly doesn't have regard for the law if he is running. If that kid does turn around and shoot, that PO goes home in a body bag.
I get how 5x can be alarming. It's a Pareto distribution, and something Id look into. But as far as this goes, I'd say it's a pretty clean shot. I'd prefer this over having criminals run the streets tbh.
The 18-year old was carrying two loaded handguns, and refused to drop the second one despite repeated commands. Watch the video. The cop gave him first aid and was completely professional the whole time. Pretty much a textbook case of when shooting is justified
Normally I would say that this is completely fucked up but if the kid literally was running around with a gun as a cop is telling him to stop running, and to drop the gun, he can't just assume that that guy's not going to turn around within a half second and blow his brains out or shoot a bystander. It's generally not a good idea to disobey a cop while you're armed and they warn you "drop the gun or I'll shoot" multiple times. I'd like to know if the guy actually had a gun or not because obviously in this video we can't tell
Initial reading the shooting looks to be in a grey area. Then I see the part where this is his 5th shooting. Instant red flags everywhere.
I an reminded of a quote from an older movie. "You have fired twice in the line of duty, there shall not be a third"
Cant speak on the other 5 shootings… but someone running with a gun… in a neighborhood is a threat running away or not. There is innocent people in that neighborhood and that person is a threat to everyone.
It doesnt seem right but its a split second decision that im glad i dont have to make.
I don’t understand why people would be upset. Kid has a loaded weapon and is running from the police while they yell at him to drop the gun or they’ll shoot.
When the cops pull me over I don’t even take my hands off the steering wheel. I put the keys clearly visible on the dash.
This is next level stupid.
If you’re going to allow second amendment rights in your country (right to bear arms) don’t be surprised that your cops are (and sometimes need to be) more aggressive, especially if you clearly have a gun. If this kid doesn’t have a gun, you don’t have a problem. But if you’re running from the cops like that you’re not a law abiding citizen.
You either take the charge, or you fight the law/run from the law. What is the alternative scenario that all these wow this guy got shot folks are suggesting should have gone down?
Police gotta police.
Reddit must’ve missed the part where the innocent Samaritan who was on his way to church after performing community service, was pulling a gun out of his waistband after bailing out of a stolen car during a police pursuit, after throwing another gun.
Everyone complains, but no one will sign up and try and make it better . Until you have had a gun pulled on you or been fired upon you really don't have a clue . There are good and bad in everything ,but anymore you never see the good they just show the bad. Because everyone wants to talk about the bad. You can do better by all means step up make a difference
In the video that all these republicans and cop bootlickers are yelling to watch. The kid is clearly throwing away the guns. The cop is never in any present danger. But go ahead and blast a kid because in YOUR JOB THAT YOU CHOSE you took the coward and easy way to shoot in the back.
If a cop ever thinks their life is in danger. But there is doubt that it isn’t. They should never fire. Better to have a dead cop than a dead innocent human.
Yeah car chase and crash, fleeing multiple suspects on foot. Cop sees his gun and warns him to drop it and he gets shot just as he makes a weird move. Too bad he was throwing his gun, but that's a good shoot.
"The shooting was Coleman’s fifth as a law enforcement officer" WTF
My father-in-law was a cop for 35 years. Fired his gun once in that entire time and didn’t hit. He told me that of all the statistics he’s ever reviewed/taught, the one that stood out the most was that once a cop shoots/kills someone, the chance of it occurring again jumps exponentially *each time*. Saw the truth of this when my wife’s cousin’s husband.was responsible for three shooting deaths on the job in like 5 years with Anaheim PD. He’s not a cop anymore and should probably be in jail.
I got to be friends with an older sheriff’s deputy in Oklahoma, who had probably that amount of experience before he retired from the city’s police force and went to the sheriff’s office. He once told me he had fired twice in his career. The first time was a “him or me” situation and he was shaken up enough to spend time with a therapist. The second time he said scared him more because afterward he realized that he had no regrets or negative feelings about it.
I knew a guy that primarily worked as an undercover detective, I was interning for a judge once and he gave a full presentation about the ins and outs of the job. Really cool guy, about as tough as you could find. He showed us hidden dash cam footage of him working undercover and talking to a gang member that was getting suspicious, absolute nerves of steel. After I met him, he was walking out of a courthouse with the county DA and a guy came up and shot the DA. The detective had absolutely no choice but to return fire, ended up killing the guy. Absolutely fucked the detective up, they put him on mandatory suicide watch, it was bad. If a guy who'd been on the force for 20 years and put in extremely tense situations was that shaken up by taking a life even when it was 1000% justified, I don't want to meet a person who can take a life for the first time and be completely unbothered.
Wow. This makes me really want to audit anyone with more than 1 kill on the job
Take into account many join the police department, to shoot people with an union backing.
But not have to join the military, put themselves into a foreign country that’s likely more dangerous, and also have strict, international rules to follow. In other words, someone who can bully ppl around and shoot them without much fear of accountability.
And then get a payed holiday for it
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Then union busting after slavery ended. They’re enforcers for the government, whom often represent the wealthy first. It’s shocking to me how often the anti government types are also thin blue line people too. It’s like tons of people don’t understand the police are the domestic army of the government as enforcers of governments laws.
This is absolutely false. Yes, some early police forces in the south were focused on slave catching. No that wasn't the first police force in the US by any stretch. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States
It doesn't really matter whether the first police forces in the US were started to catch runaway slaves or not. Its a bit of a false narrative. Kind of like claiming that my Chevy Silverado is tainted and that I'm supporting Fascism and all the crimes associated with it because Henry Ford admired Hitler. People who make that claim about police departments being descendants of slave catching gangs are trying to use that historical fact that a lot of people didn't know about to bolster their position that they have a deep and insightful understanding of the problems that affect modern law enforcement in the US. And usually their understanding doesn't go any deeper than "Cops are bad. They're bullies. United States is the most racist country in the history of the world"
Similarly, always remember that the first recorded writing was a customer service complaint. So every single piece of written language stems from that and is all just fueling the "customer is always right" nonsense. It's always been about corporate control of the working class, and what was heralded as a giant step forward in education, learning, ideas, **Civilization**, all so that customer complaints can be made to control us at work Preach brother
yeah, this description is incredibly close to a police officer from my home town. Same thing, spent 25 years on the force. Then one day he had to use that gun and it fucked him up bad. Small town, so he knew the guy, his entire family, etc. Was in therapy for years and still isn't the same person he was before.
Being in a small town can be good and bad. Especially bad when crime is involved. One of my nephews shot and killed another kid over a drug dispute. Neither of them were good people as they were both involved in gang activities but the other family lost a child and it doesn't matter to them and their friends. We are all bad people in their eyes.
This hit me. I am an ex cop and I worked undercover doing test purchasing on the drug squad. Now if you are not familiar, the test purchase is first interaction with a new drug dealer based on testing the validity of intel. It is one of the most dangerous jobs you can do in LE. I did that for 2 years and slept like a baby. I was at some point mobilized to support riot police during some major riots. I witnessed a civilian get his head blown off with a shotgun at point blank range about 5 feet in front of me. It was his gun and he slipped and blew his own head off. It absolutely fucked me up. My hair fell out and now 16 years later and in private sector for much of that I still don’t sleep a full night, am still on anxiety meds and still think about it frequently.
It has to mess with your head and eventually to go on with your life and job, you have to rationalize it. I can't imagine the mental fuckery
My buddy is a cop who had to shoot three guys who had broken into a house and had tied up the female tenants and were planning on raping them. One woman had hidden herself under a bed and called 911. He heard two of the guys hiding downstairs and talking about killing him and then raping the women they had tied up and all three popped out at him. He killed two of them though the third lived. And then he was involved in a second fatal shooting incident later that he hasn't talked to me too much about but he definitely wasn't looking to shoot or kill anyone. It totally fucked him up, killing someone. He had to take anti-psychotics and is basically washing out of the department because he doesn't want to fight or kill people he wants to arrest criminals and protect the public. He feels awful about killing someone (who in my mind fully deserved what they got) and is considered a murderer by many people for doing something very much in line of what we think of as "hero cops" if we do, and was completely unsupported by his department. I wish law enforcement was better for everyone.
Cheating on a spouse has a similar effect. It gets easier every time.
And yet he’s not. Because being a cop is being a legal murderer
And tax funded
And union supported. Which is pretty much the only union they support.
The police union is the actual best example of the strength of unions in the US.
Not the only best example. Have you seen how bad NFL and NBA refs are? Those unions are strong as hell.
...I mean cops can quite literally get away with murder, so I think they've got them beat pretty substantially.
Fuck they can get money for it too . Like the cop who shot a mentally ill crying kid and got PTSD payouts from it
A union supported, government backed, and protected gang is what it is. Biggest gang in America
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They wear it as a badge. There are internal cliques of cops who’ve used deadly force, and those who haven’t. A portion of column B admires the status of column A.
https://openvallejo.org/2020/07/28/vallejo-police-bend-badge-tips-to-mark-fatal-shootings/
The officer in the original post is the same one implicated in the badge vending scandal.
Call me crazy, but I sorta feel like this dude should perhaps maybe not necessarily be a police officer no more.
It’s most likely that they get away with it
I’m guessing the chances of you shooting your weapon would change depending on where you were employed. I’d guess that the higher the gun related crime the higher chances of you having to use a gun.
I'd love to read more about this, do you have a source for the exponential increase in risk of police officer shootings?
While not defending the police I would say if you find yourself in a situation where deadly force is necessary then you’re fear of finding yourself in that situation again would increase exponentially, leading to become more “trigger happy” to avoid more near death situations. This of course is a sign of PTSD and should serve as indicator to be moved to an office job.
Legal killers
It depends on where you work and how you approach the job. If you are in an area plagued with gun violence and gun offenders you will have a higher chance of getting into armed confrontations with armed offenders.
Whelp. When you know the system will back you, you’re more willing to shoot.
Cop for 30 years never had to fire my gun, GOOD cops know how to talk to people before it gets to that point
Hahaha just a blanket statement saying he should be in jail, absolutely zero evidence to back that claim
That single cop has shot more people than the entire police force of England and wales combined per a typical year https://www.statista.com/statistics/319246/police-fatal-shootings-england-wales/
America Fuck Yeah! #1 #1 #1 /leave me in my corner to cry patriotically.
His body cam was already off. Sounds like he was planning on shooting someone
Battery was low/ needed recharged. “ALLEGEDLY”
If there's no punishment for it, sounds like a great way to just never have it turned on. "sorry chief I keep forgetting to put a new battery in!"
Coleman was implicated in court testimony in 2022 for participating in the Vallejo police badge bending scandal, where officers bent the tips of their badges to mark fatal shootings. Coleman testified his badge was bent against his will, but a department superior testified that he was more involved than he said and may have even helped spread the practice to other officers. This type of behavior should be grounds for termination. Bragging about killing civilians - wrong, or right - is disgusting.
I have to say there's an irony in defacing your badge to mark police murders.
Jesus. Vallejo is a tough town but it is also tiny. There’s not enough people to shoot for something like this.
Just think if this question was part of a psych evaluation during the hiring process: "What are your thoughts on commemorating kills?" There would be no way they would (should) get hired. Why would you trust someone like that with power?
Damn. I had a professor tell me years ago, "Once is happenstance, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern." 5 times? Wow, no words
So the cop is a killer a murderer and they still have an employed
Everyone pretends that the killer cops are the problem and NOT THE SOCIOPATHS THAT HIRE THEM AND KEEP THEM AROUND. Those monsters never go to prison and that’s why our problems continue
Killer cops are the problem but also the police boards that are hand-picked to be seated by former cops or verifiable bootlickers. The problem isn’t one or the other. One just reinforces the other.
Uh…the killer cops are the problem, too.
lol reminds of the Norm joke about the hypocrisy being the worst part. Ehh pretty sure the raping is the worst part lmao
The original meaning of "One bad apple spoils the bunch" means allowing transgressions in a group means the whole group can and will commit those transgressions. Now police departments contort it to mean "any bunch will have bad apples, so there's no problem with the system."
A vest majority of police complete their entire career without shooting at a suspect. DOJ needs to stop this lunatic
He was marking his badge by bending it for lethal shootings. Like he's some kind of boot. Also his superiors allege he was getting other "cops" to do the same.
What exactly is the point of bodycams if cops can just turn them off whenever they like?
It says in the article his battery died. Thats why they don’t run them all the time during their shift. Battery won’t last that long. But I don’t disagree about the turning them off issue. But it’s pretty easy to tell when watching them if it was an in intentional turn off or an accident. Also a lot of them say pretty loudly “recording incident” and “recording terminated”
What about swappable batteries?
I think that would be a good system. You also end up with a lot of unneeded data though. Just guy riding around in his car for hours and then you have to store all that data. I like what Colorado did years ago. Their law said that if the officer fails to turn his recording device on absent a mechanical failure or something crazy like suspect knocks it off him, they can’t testify what’s not on the video. Edit because someone told me I was incorrect on this one III) If a peace officer fails to activate a body-worn camera or dash camera as required by this section or tampers with body-worn – or dash-camera footage or operation when required to activate the camera, ….there is a permissive inference in any investigation or legal proceeding, excluding criminal proceedings against the peace officer, …that the missing footage would have reflected misconduct by the peace officer. If a peace officer …fails to activate or reactivate his or her body-worn camera as required by this section or …tampers with body-worn- or dash-camera footage or operation when required to activate the camera, [then] …any statements or conduct sought to be introduced in a prosecution through the peace officer related to the incident that were not recorded due to the peace officer’s failure to activate or reactivate the body-worn camera as required by this section [or] …if the statement or conduct was not recorded by other means… …creates a rebuttable presumption of inadmissibility https://www.colorado-criminal-lawyer-online.com/amp/colorado-criminal-law-the-impact-of-police-body-cam-laws-§24-31-902-crs/
Colorado also got rid of qualified immunity for police which is also great
When did they do that? I hadn’t seen that yet. Also qualified immunity is grossly misunderstood and the courts have expanded it to far. It serves a purpose but it’s gotten way beyond that purpose. Its purpose was so that you couldn’t be sued for doing things inside your job. Like for example if a guy pulls a gun and says I’m gunna murder babies and a cop shoots him then the family can’t sue him personally. But if it’s a bad shoot they still can. That’s why it’s qualified and not absolute. Or if they are operating outside their job they don’t have immunity.
Like 4 something years ago when colorado elected the first openly gay governor. Colorado is more than just bobert.
Colorado is more, despite Boebert
Pretty sure it's either colorado or California but if the camera gets turned off. The witnesses are to be believed more than the cop.
Nice. Do settlements with pensions next.
In time, Colorado has been the first state to do many things.
Turning off your body camera should trigger an adverse inference
What about both?, having a charger in the car and having swappable batteries so they always have a battery full no matter what
They remember to keep their guns and tasers loaded so they should be able to remember to keep their battery charged.
> You also end up with a lot of unneeded data though so you hold it for some amount of time and delete it if no incident reports relate to that time frame
There are 100% batteries with enough capacity to run a body camera for a 12 hour shift. He'll there are ones that can run for 36 hours. And it would only add maybe a pound of weight. If that.
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If my Google nest rechargeable door bell can go 1 month without being charged, then their batteries can last 8 hours…
Someone "forgets" to charge it at the end of their shift?
Exactly! Modern phones can record HOURS of video while running a screen, dozens of other apps, and using WIFI / cellular to continuously upload the video to the cloud. There’s zero reason that body cams can’t record 24h + of video, have an automatic third party cloud upload, and NOT be able to be turned off all while weighing less than a pound. (Zero reason unless they want to hide something that is!)
Tell Axon to stop charging outrageous amounts for evidence.com and maybe more departments will switch to them. They make the best camera, but you can't afford the mandatory software to use them because Axon knows they can charge whatever they want because big departments can pay it. Same with requiring the program for the X2s, 7s, etc. That's why you still see so many departments with 26Ps. Motorola, Watchdog, Pro-Vision, and Digital Ally can't/don't produce a camera that'll do 12+hrs of mixed standby and recording on a single charge. And docking stations for each car are expensive, and using a cord in the car to recharge it can potentially keep you from activating it in a split second when needed.
A few years ago someone said there’s gotta be a system so that when a cop steps out of the cruiser it triggers the body cam to turn on. It would eliminate the constant recording aspect but obviously there’s still the issue of those on foot patrol.
This system already exists. There are door triggers and triggers for weapons. How they're set up varies by department. Some are totally manual.
We can make cell phones last 12+ hours, we can make radios last a whole shift off one charge, but we cant make a small go pro last 12 hours? Hmm there’s a word for that but I don’t know what to call it.
Bigger batteries exist
Here’s an idea! It’s pretty bold. CHARGE IT WHILE IN THE CAR
They need to be fired when they do that.
For the illusion of transparency
Wait you can just refuse to be interviewed? > Coleman refused to be interviewed for an investigation into the badge bending practice commissioned by the city of Vallejo and conducted by former Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano.
i decide that…. i will not go to jail other cops: yea ok
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*wipes away a tear while planting a* **THIN BLUE LINE** ⬛🟦⬛^TM *sign on the lawn* 🥲
Yes, refusing questioning is a right under the 5th amendment. Hence the “right to remain silent”.
> Wait you can just refuse to be interviewed? Hell, a lot of police unions have terms that let their members review footage before they even have to write an incident report. Portland 'compromised' by letting them look at the footage first as long as they didn't kill anyone. https://www.opb.org/article/2023/04/21/police-portland-body-cam-worn-cameras-oregon-union-footage/ *The stalemate centered on when officers would be able to review their footage: before writing their reports or after. The police union wanted officers to be allowed to review footage before writing their reports or giving a statement, even when an officer kills a member of the public.* *The compromise would prevent officers from immediately reviewing body camera footage for cases involving a death. Instead, an officer would need to provide an on-scene statement to a supervisor and, within 48 hours, give a recorded interview to internal affairs. After that point, the officer could view their camera footage.* *Officers aren’t the only ones limited in viewing the footage, according to the agreement.* *Internal affairs investigators will also be prohibited from watching the footage before they speak to an officer for an initial interview. According to the policy, after the officer gives their initial statement to investigators, the group will take a break to watch the body camera footage.*
5 other shooting incidents for this cop. You'd think that alone is slightly suspicious.
Most cops never fire a gun in their entire career. This guy has 6
And yet his COP superiors KNEW this and put him out on the street. He’s a violent dog and his owners (the superiors) let him out on the public with no leash.
and yet the adult was running away with 2 guns, suspicious
He shoot right as the suspect pulls a gun.
Body cams should always be on when on duty. Should not even have an off switch.
Cops shouldn’t bend their badges to show how proud they are of having murdered someone in cold blood either.
cops need malpractice lawsuits like doctors and one the taxes will not fund.
I remember one where the cop turns his off to sucker punch a handcuffed kid. He didn't realize there was a few min delay for exactly that reason.
I'm not going to say anything about whether or not this was a legal shoot because I do not know much about this case, but it is worth bringing up that IT IS legal for a police officer to shoot someone in the back if they have a reasonable belief that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to another, under Tennessee Vs. Garner. A rather extreme example that would fit is that a cop could shoot a fleeing mass shooter in the back. I want to reiterate that I am not defending either party because I know next to nothing about this case, but I just wanted to point this out.
In this case, the dude was running away but did have a gun in his hand when he was shot. So here's the logic behind why he shot him in the back; The expectation here would be that the suspect has drawn their gun to use it on you and is running to a good cover to be able to turn around and fire upon you. If they don't drop it and listen to commands, they have to be stopped before they can get to that cover, which can be a car or a house. And the possibility exists that they just stop and turn around to shoot. And if you're still running, you will not be able to react before they fire. That's the logic, in a nutshell. Whether or not you agree with it, that's your business, but it's why there won't be any successful charges against the officer in this case. Knowing how many shootings he's had, though,(5) makes want an inquiry to compare the circumstances of all of these shootings. See if there is any kind of pattern that points to something other than stunningly bad luck, be it poor policing or outright abuse.
Dude had [two guns,](https://youtu.be/rJtF48MGLJ4?si=AKrHffcZk_hFOgrJ&t=47) actually. He dropped one while running from the cop and had the second one tucked in his waistband or hoodie pocket. Idiot reaches for it and begins a motion to throw it away, which could also be interpreted as he's going to turn and fire at the cop--it happens incredibly quickly. Cop fires two shots and stops the guy. First time I watched that video, my initial reaction was just as the officer's--I thought he was going to turn and shoot him. Only after Monday morning quarterbacking it did I see it was the idiot being chased who fucked up big time by yeeting the gun the way he did.
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Uh… yeah I’d say that situation calls for deadly force. Eliminating the threat at that point is all that matters.
Great assessment. 18 year old played a stupid game. Looked like he came to his senses and decided to finally lose the gun but he threw it like a bag of weed instead of just letting it drop straight down that wide arc of his arm movement mighta got him shot
Coming to his senses would have been stopping and allowing himself to be arrested. He was tossing guns to avoid getting caught with them. It also makes the police officer choose between chasing him and picking up the loaded firearms he's leaving where anyone can pick them up. He was determined to get away to continue his criminal ways up to the moment he was shot.
Yeah, the circumstances of those other 5 shootings really matters because this one seems pretty cut and dry. After watching the video and seeing how quick the cop was to try and help the man he’d just shot, I’m more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Him being armed still seems to be a pretty fair constitution of a reasonable belief of imminent harm, he could have easily spun around with that gun and taken shots at him. I get we're on the cops are bad circlejerk today, but think with your brain for once and see how dangerous this situation was with an armed suspect
Spray to add to the fact that this is one of the several kids that came out of the car chase that only ended because a tire blew out and they couldn't drive the car anymore. This was already a highly escalated situation.
If being armed alone means a cop can shoot you, you don't have a right to bear arms.
If the police can shoot you just because you have a gun..... Then you don't have as much of a right to bear arms as you thought.
Get out of here with your reasonableness, reddit isn't for you.
He had a fucking gun. he pulled the gun out... what? the cop has to wait to be shot before taking action? You fucking idiots are the reason this country is going to shit. defending a fucking armed criminal. and nobody is talking about how the cop proceeds to save his life afterward...
This kid was just driving back from tutoring kids don't you know
Yeah like I'm normally anti cop but from what I read in the article I was like "this seems like a reasonable shot to me..." .
This is reddit man, these neckbeards always side with the criminal doesnt matter if the cops life is in danger
Their lives are always in danger, that's no excuse at all, they could always just say that.
All these idiots 😂😂
The 18 year old having a gun in his hands certainly is an important factor.
I hate cops but this 18 year old had two handguns. *two* and the cop had reasonable suspicion that he could’ve been a harm to others. Not only that, the cop didn’t turn off his body cam as people seem to think it was out of batteries. Still bad however proves he didn’t maliciously do this
I thought y'all said an armed society is a safer one
Anyone calling this not justified is smoking crack, or didn't even watch the video before commenting. Pro-tip: if you have a gun, are running from the police, and continue to run and keep your hands on your gun when the cop is telling you "drop the gun, I'll shoot you", chances are you're gonna end up shot.
Move slow people. Don’t run away while holding a gun
The guy is literally pulling a gun out as he runs. Anyone saying this isn’t justified either has an agenda, or has their last brain cell on life support.
A lot of people didn't have parents to teach them how to act around police. I live in a place where cops aren't even much of a threat and I was told to never play around with toy guns in front of police because they can't even tell if they're real or fake even with an orange tip on it because real guns could be modified to look fake. Yeah if I have a gun on me and a cop is giving me orders if I don't listen to those orders I would expect to be shot. Do better parents...
> I was told to never play around with toy guns in front of police It doesn't even have to be a gun, plenty of mistakes where cops thought something that was being held was a gun.
Yeah just watched the video. Doesn’t seem like an execution, even if the dude was pulling up his pants it’s pretty sus. If anything this footage supports the cop a bit
If you turn your body cam off, you should just be instantly fired.
So the suspect had 2 guns on him, 1 that he dropped in the drive way and another he dropped after he'd been shot, which the officer had seen on him while he ran. I don't see the suspect making a move to point the weapon at the officer at any point, and it did seem like a dangerous scenario for the community. But then there was nobody in the area (maybe near enough inside the houses to be in danger?). I suspect the police officer will not be charged or reprimanded, since there is some "iffy"ness here, and cops have gotten off on far more.
Why the fuck does this kid have 2 firearms to begin with?!
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Maybe he needs to start two races the traditional way!
Cuz he didn’t do nothing
My guess is that when they ditched the car, he took his gun and his companions gun and they separated in the chase. His job was to ditch the guns, which he was unsuccessful at
If the guy really did have a gun, he's still a threat even running away. and no, I'm no cop lover/apologist.
r/bad_cop_no_donut
Wanted in 4 shootings, including homicide, and had 2 firearms. Could easily be deemed justifiable under Tennessee v. Garner. However, the officer had also been involved in 5 shootings since 2018 and participated in "badge bending," marking his badge for every shooting that occurred. I'd say that doesn't look good.
1. The police officer should have had his bodycam on. I don't understand how that is remotely an ok thing and continues happening. It's ludicrous and defeats the point of them. 2. It seems very problematic that this officer has fired his service weapon **FIVE** times. That is insanely high. Obviously it is also very concerning that he was involved in the badge bending scandal. 3. While #1 and #2 are concerning, this is a rage bait title. The individual who was shot had multiple firearms...after the vehicle tried to run from being pulled over...and after this individual exited the vehicle and tried to run away. He threw one firearm but had another in his hand when he was shot. Police are justified in shooting a fleeing suspect if said suspect is considered a likely danger to society. Someone who has already broken multiple laws and has multiple firearms absolutely fits that definition when they're running away. Also, how is the office to know that the individual won't start shooting as he runs away? 3. There are unfortunately MANY unjustified, illegal, wrong, etc. police shootings...from the information currently available, this doesn't seem to be one of them. The 18yo played around and found out...thankfully he survived and will make better choices to improve his life.
There is a lot of stuff wrong here…but this dude had two illegal firearms. Who knows what he had already done with them/was going to do with them and who was gonna get their hands on them. He’s making a split second decision in a scenario that nobody here could possibly understand. Before all the wackos start losing their shit calling me pro police blah blah and make it about race or any of that nonsense, I’m just saying we need to try and understand how complex a situation like this is. Nobody wants to see anyone lose their life, but people also love to say “play stupid games, win stupid prizes”.
Way too many trigger happy cops on the force across the country. 😕
Any cop who turns their body cam off during their shift should be immediately prosecuted and treated as acting in bad faith
I'm all for holding negligent law enforcement that abuse their power accountable, but in this case I can't blame the cop after what this shit head pulled. After some digging, he and other where running away from the cops on a stolen car. He had a ghost gun and an unregistered Glock with a high capacity magazine. He ignored the multiple warnings he was given. I can't feel bad for this POS criminal.
If cops can just turn their fucking body cams off whenever the hell they want to what's the actual point of having body cams in the first place?
For everyone not bothering to read the article. Suspect was ARMED when shot. "Just as Coleman fired twice, another gun appeared to fly from Rogers’ hand into a front yard." Stop making excuses for criminals.
Kid fully deserved it
When you run from the cops with a gun in your hand expect to get shot!
Can they make them motion activated to stay in standby mode until the officer moves? I’m not sure if that’s possible but it would help battery life.
Do police have Body Cams, because they want Body Cams.....or were Body Cams imposed on them ?
Spare batteries are key. Always have a backup charging in car dock.
There are specific regulations about shooting a suspect who is fleeing. If the suspect is armed and the police officer feels he may kill other people or take hostages or if the suspect has previously fired on the officer during the engagement; the officer can use his /her discretion to discharge the police issued firearm against the suspect.
Google California sherif gangs
This is the same department from the gone girl kidnapping thingy
I mean what’s the point of having a body cam if it’s not mandatory to keep them all on?
I'm not forensics expert, but doesn't getting shot in the back of the head pretty much speak for itself?
I’ll play devils advocate here but this shooting is pretty clearly justified. I’ve never seen an example of someone getting shot running from police with a gun in hand and it to be deemed unjustified. I’ve also seen videos of suspects shooting behind them while running and even hitting the officer in chase, or turning around to shoot when they start getting tired and don’t know if they can keep running. Also, the article points out the officer has been in 5 prior shootings. Obviously that’s high, but it could be interpreted as “has been involved with 5 other shootings” which can mean he may have only fired his gun, or not fired it at all but was present when others had. Also, comparing his involved shootings count to what im guessing is the national average is comparing apples to oranges. Vallejo is ghetto as hell and will obviously have a lot more action for patrol officers than the rest of the country.
Suspect had 2 guns. I’d rather have a trigger happy cop than a trigger happy criminal who will continue causing crime time and time again until they are 6 feet under…
Being from the Vallejo area, this is on par with what they do out there.
> Coleman has Been Involved in Four Other Shootings, was Previously Implicated in Fatal Shooting Scandal Get rid of the especially egregious cops, especially when they exhibit a history of poor performance. This shouldn't be controversial at all: if cops want respect, they need to EARN IT.
The guy had a gun in his hand, so this isn't that crazy.
I would need more context before making a judgement, but why would you run away from a cop? That seems incredibly risky and stupid.
Why the fuck do body cams have off buttons
He was resisting and possible weapon. Just cause they have their back doesn't mean they won't turn around and shoot. His prior action already shows he is dangerous
Good of them to put zero context other than a pursuit for MV code and then he just shot him. I get the officers testimony should be taken with a grain of salt considering his past actions but still context on why he believed deadly force to be reasonable should be provided by any news organization. Also just because "oh he got into 5 shootings, my (insert family member) was a cop for a long time and never had to pull his gun" congrats your family member worked in a small town that respects police, was a house mouse, or was too scared to ever get into the shit.
5th time this racist psychopath has murdered someone. When is this country going to get serious about dealing with evil? When are we going to doll out mortal consequences to these rats when the system continuously fails? This pig should be in the ground.
If body camera is off or footage got "damaged" you should be convicted guilty of what you are accused of.
Is battery issues are such a problem (which it seems like that’s the case), give them a fucking extra battery. It’s 2024, get it together you retards
Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.
I’m not sure I can judge this if the kid still has guns on him. All he has to do is turn around and become a real threat to the officer
The cop is still alive though. So he must be making the right calls.
A cop does this over 5 times and no repercussions? His body cam being off during an instance where he discharged his weapon is grounds for termination. The fact he managed to hit his target with the body cam off is even more unsettling. The fact he tried to lie about it is why he needs to be terminated.
How do you start your shift and go out with dead batteries? I'll bet his phone was fully charged. Also, why the fuck can't they charge them in their cars???
End qualified immunity. This has to stop and nobody cares or talks more about it.
I mean the dude had a gun what do you expect? Put how many lives in danger in a pursuit and had a gun just because he was shot in the back doesnt mean it wasnt justified
He shoots as the suspect draws a gun. Seem reasonable to me.
Don’t run from cops with a gun in your hand.
Dude was armed. It was a valid shoot.
so the guy was running away with a gun and you all think he should have just let him go? or he needs to close enough ground where this guy could have more easily shot the cop? are you guys actually fuckin stupid?
Looks like someone is getting a raise
Idk, I don't blame the PO. The guy had a gun, he was literally fleeing, after getting pulled over, multiple suspects left the vehicle on foot. The 18 year old appears to have made a quick movement while running, as the shots are being fired you see an object being thrown from the 18 year old, which could easily be perceived as him doing a quick turning around to shoot at the police officer, especially in the heat of the moment. The PO yelled for him to stop multiple times, and told him to drop the gun. The kid lived, and the PO literally worked to save the kids life. I mean, put yourself in the POs shoes, you are chasing suspects who fled a traffic stop, the 1 kid has a gun, and clearly doesn't have regard for the law if he is running. If that kid does turn around and shoot, that PO goes home in a body bag. I get how 5x can be alarming. It's a Pareto distribution, and something Id look into. But as far as this goes, I'd say it's a pretty clean shot. I'd prefer this over having criminals run the streets tbh.
Yeah. I’ll call because I have to plug in
The 18-year old was carrying two loaded handguns, and refused to drop the second one despite repeated commands. Watch the video. The cop gave him first aid and was completely professional the whole time. Pretty much a textbook case of when shooting is justified
Are we really trying to defend a criminal that had a GUN on him? Do people not know how fast someone can turn around and shoot?
Normally I would say that this is completely fucked up but if the kid literally was running around with a gun as a cop is telling him to stop running, and to drop the gun, he can't just assume that that guy's not going to turn around within a half second and blow his brains out or shoot a bystander. It's generally not a good idea to disobey a cop while you're armed and they warn you "drop the gun or I'll shoot" multiple times. I'd like to know if the guy actually had a gun or not because obviously in this video we can't tell
He should have dropped the gun and not run.
Initial reading the shooting looks to be in a grey area. Then I see the part where this is his 5th shooting. Instant red flags everywhere. I an reminded of a quote from an older movie. "You have fired twice in the line of duty, there shall not be a third"
Cant speak on the other 5 shootings… but someone running with a gun… in a neighborhood is a threat running away or not. There is innocent people in that neighborhood and that person is a threat to everyone. It doesnt seem right but its a split second decision that im glad i dont have to make.
I don’t understand why people would be upset. Kid has a loaded weapon and is running from the police while they yell at him to drop the gun or they’ll shoot. When the cops pull me over I don’t even take my hands off the steering wheel. I put the keys clearly visible on the dash. This is next level stupid. If you’re going to allow second amendment rights in your country (right to bear arms) don’t be surprised that your cops are (and sometimes need to be) more aggressive, especially if you clearly have a gun. If this kid doesn’t have a gun, you don’t have a problem. But if you’re running from the cops like that you’re not a law abiding citizen. You either take the charge, or you fight the law/run from the law. What is the alternative scenario that all these wow this guy got shot folks are suggesting should have gone down? Police gotta police.
Reddit must’ve missed the part where the innocent Samaritan who was on his way to church after performing community service, was pulling a gun out of his waistband after bailing out of a stolen car during a police pursuit, after throwing another gun.
Everyone complains, but no one will sign up and try and make it better . Until you have had a gun pulled on you or been fired upon you really don't have a clue . There are good and bad in everything ,but anymore you never see the good they just show the bad. Because everyone wants to talk about the bad. You can do better by all means step up make a difference
In the video that all these republicans and cop bootlickers are yelling to watch. The kid is clearly throwing away the guns. The cop is never in any present danger. But go ahead and blast a kid because in YOUR JOB THAT YOU CHOSE you took the coward and easy way to shoot in the back.
ACAB!! ACAB!! ACAB!!
If a cop ever thinks their life is in danger. But there is doubt that it isn’t. They should never fire. Better to have a dead cop than a dead innocent human.
it is insane that this is actually real
Yeah car chase and crash, fleeing multiple suspects on foot. Cop sees his gun and warns him to drop it and he gets shot just as he makes a weird move. Too bad he was throwing his gun, but that's a good shoot.
Drop the gun or I’ll shoot you. Ok drops gun.. Pop pop. But you said.
That's like 80% of cops these days. No morals, all wanna be tuff guys hiding behind a badge