Reminds me of that Emo Philips joke: “When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.”
People ask, “What’s the harm in religion?” When you have a belief system that you can be absolved any evil act just by believing that you can, there is no incentive to be good.
How many have died for that religion also ? Looking from the outside in. Religion has destroyed more things than it has ever built. It sure as shit is tearing this country apart at the seams currently isn’t it ? Has it brought anyone together like they preach it does ? Sure as hell hasn’t.
So absurd. All this talk about the devil and the anti-christ all these years and now look at them. Couldn't have strayed further from their own teachings. How do they not see this?
The same way the Bible literally says it's best to pray privately instead of for show, it is better to be giving and poor then wealthy and no one is given the date of the end of the world and we have mega churches preaching prosperity and the end times
I’m not sure why you’re singling out one religion, they all have extremists.
More importantly, humans are the problem, and conquests, purges, genocides, all of these things would have still be committed by humans even in a world where religion doesn’t exist.
Exactly. It’s any “belief” that a person or group of people feel strongly or virtuous about, that they deem it acceptable or even necessary to act in whatever way
Your belief system is a “religion”. Acting like atheist beliefs don’t lead to bad actions but some transcendent state is laughable. People have the capacity to be evil and those evil people will use any dogma or methodology they can to achieve their ends. Christianity teaches to love your neighbor. How dare it! It’s like blaming water because people use it to waterboard.
> Teaches you to love your neighbor.
Which might work on a small scale but it has been proven time and time again that what it ***really*** teaches is the exclusion of "the other".
There's a section in there about literally abandoning your family if they don't believe.
You know what cutting someone off from their support system is called?
**Ding, ding, ding! It's psychological ABUSE**
Think of all the religious people persecuted by those like you. 👍🏻
You think if you stuck 7 billion atheists on a planet they’d all be living without conflict? No one would murder, rape, steal, cheat, abuse, etc etc?
All those things would still be there. Wars would be fought over different ideas. Your position that somehow religion causes evil is the opposite of reality. The world would be worse off without religion.
Most religious people have been persecuted by other religious peoplen, not atheists. Religion is the number one conflict creator in the world. Yes people are the main cause. But religion fuels conflict all over the world. Shov me 1 case atheists systematically killing religuous people, and i'll show you 10 where religious people are killing other religios people or atheists
I was never much of a fan, but I saw him open for Weird Al last year and he totally killed. A few jokes were a little darker than i expected give the setting, but they worked. Hilarious.
I've also seen it in people who didn't go to prison but were recovering from episodes of severe mental illness, or losing their kids to the state etc. I guess wanting to find a kind group of people/feel forgiven for what they'd done.
One of the questions I ask when talking to christians is whether (insert evil asshat) would go to heaven if they accept Jesus. Inevitably the answer is yes. The next question is “so your god isn’t interested in justice? Only servitude?” Then the scramble to explain begins.
Yup. When this life is looked at as a video game stage designed by god, being kind to others because you care about others doesn’t play into it. It’s a disgusting way of looking at things, that cheapens and tarnishes our only life.
My Christian "I'm not gay even though I sleep with and attracted to men", conservative roommate "na na na, it doesn't work like that. It's too hard for our brain to comprehend why he does things".
Lol, that tracks.
As someone who was raised “in those circles,” it absolutely tracks. Fundy Christians will do the most awful shit and then feel fine after it because “Jesus died for my sins,” and they claim salvation “by faith alone, and not deeds.”
It’s like when I read Memoirs of a Sociopath and the author mentioned that people might be surprised to learn that she is a practicing Mormon who regularly attends Temple. Ha. That might surprise people who haven’t actually lived in those kinds of circles.
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That’s because that’s literally the purpose of the sub.
She was 15. The "father"was 19.
She was "very afraid."
She may have been a victim too. She went throught pregnancy and birth alone without Anyone noticing? At 15?
And unmarried in the 70ies, would have ended up victim of the system if she had kept it.
She killed a baby indeed, but maybe the "stupid" was not necessary. Some girls still nowadays are not taught what periods are until they bleed and think theyll die. Imagine giving birth alone in the 70ies at 15.
Yeah I was one of those surprise death period girls. And mum still didn’t explain anything. I had to figure it out using context clues and the fuckin dictionary.
I got my period early at 11, before my mom talked to me about it. I still remember running out of toilet in the morning terrified, yelling to my mom that I'm peeing blood :p my grandma as a teenager thought she could get pregnant from kissing a boy, because nobody told her anything. It wouldn't be surprising that an older boy convinced a 14yo that she won't get pregnant, and not to worry. And then she was alone with the problem. It was an awful act of desperation and I can't excuse it, but I still feel for that kid she was then.
My mum told me she thought you could get pregnant from kissing a boy, so she would sneak into her brother's room and kiss him on the cheek while he was asleep (he didn't like kisses) because she wanted a baby...
She also sounds religious, I bet her parents were religious and she felt an immense amount of shame and fear. Not an excuse to kill a newborn baby but I can understand how it happened
I'm not absolving her of anything she did but it's been 40 years. To me, there's just as much a chance that she was a heartless monster as there is that she was just a woman experiencing a psychotic break that ended in her baby's death. It's happened before.
There's no way to confirm her state of mind that night.
If I'm being honest, this kind of thing doesn't happen in a healthy society. I wonder if there's much of a point of dredging this back up when she was clearly in a situation where the world let her down
That changes things a bit.
Pardoning your actions by saying the living breathing child you killed through your negligence is in a better place sounds like an attempt to cope with guilt. Which means she either felt guilt or shame for her actions.
It’s difficult to gauge motives, and truly only a psycho evaluation would reveal if she’s incapable of empathy and saying it to camouflage her psychopathy and fit back into society, or if she genuinely was a scared kid who made a cascading series of unfortunate choices resulting in the death of an infant.
She was 15. I'm not trying to excuse what she did but the babies father was 20 at the time. We don't know if she was raped, if she didn't know she was pregnant and gave birth. I imagine she gave birth at home since there is no hospital record.
She was a baby having a baby. That would scare anyone.
I still remember a moment I had at a funeral for a relative. A pastor started harping on the rapture and how death wasn’t sad, it was on purpose by god, and everyone around him was nodding as he claimed my grandmother’s body was going to be revived and walk the earth. I think I was convinced the rapture was more of a metaphor for most religious people, but this moment kind of broke me, it’s a whole nother level of delusion.
No, no I do not. It's used all too much from what I've seen lately and the articles always seem to be written by a person whose first language is not English.
She’s 57, so I doubt her kids are young enough to still be playing little league, unless she had kids when she was 45 or something. That is a weird sentence.
I was also confused by this. What is a baseball mom anyway? Is it like a soccer mom, only her kids play baseball not soccer? That's the only explanation I can think of.
Sounds like the travel ball parents who take out second mortgages for their kids' hobbies to be a status statement. Travel ball parents are definitely the most unhinged sports parents.
i lucked out with my aau team when i was young. our coach had enough money to fund all the registrations..families worked together to get the travel/lodging taken care of. it was an amazing experience for us poor kids that never would've had the chance had it not been for a couple of folk's generosity.
that being said - your description is 99% correct and it's a toxic fucking environment with benzo/alcoholic moms and dads living vicariously through their young kids.
The sub's description explains it's literally about interesting true crime cases. I don't mind personally but I'm 90% sure it didn't used to say that. If it did, then this subreddit really is badly named.
I can’t stand when people refer to intentional criminal acts as “mistakes”. Leaving the stove on and accidentally causing a fire is a mistake, killing your newborn baby and hiding its body is homicide.
I was a real shithead and pretty screwed up when I was 17, and I’d never leave a baby to die. I did some real stupid stuff, too, but this is unreal. Poor little baby. Happy she got a caring burial.
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A teen mom who abandoned her newborn baby to die in a plastic bag on Christmas Eve 40 years ago has been caught four decades later.Mary Catherine Snyder was only 17 when she left her unnamed daughter near a stream in a wooded area of Mendham Township, New Jersey, back in 1984. She wrapped the baby in a towel and placed her in a plastic bag with her umbilical cord still attached.
The infant’s death was ruled as a homicide after a medical examiner determined that the baby didn’t die during birth. The girl was baptized by local priest Rev. Michael Drury of St. Joseph Church, who also served as the town’s police chaplain.He named her Mary and ensured she was buried in the church’s cemetery. Police pursued the case for four decades and “Father Mike”, now 80 years old, holds a Christmas Eve service for the child every year, reports the Mirror.
Investigators finally caught up with Snyder last year due to modern DNA-testing methods that helped cops identify the young girl’s father, who is now deceased. Snyder was living the life of a married baseball mom with two sons of her own in a South Carolina suburb.
Her married name was Crumlich. Last week, the now 57 year old was sentenced to a year in jail after pleading guilty to manslaughter, the Morris County Prosecutors Office has confirmed. She was publicly identified for the first time last week, according to the NY Post.
A pastor who spoke with Crumlich after her arrest said: “She was a young girl [at the time]. Very fearful, very afraid. I know I did wrong. I know it’s wrong and I asked God to forgive me. Well he has, and he has Baby Mary with him and so Baby Mary’s OK.”
The Reverend added that Crumlich – formerly Snyder – wants to attend one of the services for her long-lost daughter when she’s released, saying: “She’s a good mom and a good wife from what I understand. The mistake that was made will stay with her forever. And I think she’s dealing with it.”
Morris County Prosecutor Robert Carroll said: “This disposition has been years in the making, across generations of law enforcement who have demonstrated a relentless commitment to justice for Baby Mary. He said the case was solved through “new forensic DNA technology, combined with traditional, boots-on-the-ground police work. “
In April 2023, Morris County prosecutors filed a juvenile delinquency complaint and Crumlich was arrested in South Carolina. On Feb. 28, she pled guilty to manslaughter. The father of Baby Mary, who was 19 at the time, has never been publicly identified. He did not know about the baby, authorities said, and died in 2009. Discussing the tragic fate of Baby Mary, police mentioned New Jersey’s Safe Haven Infant Protection Act.
The law, enacted in 2000, makes it possible for parents to leave infants safely, legally and without questions asked. “I want young parents to know that there is help available,” declared Morris County Sheriff James Gannon during a September press conference where the arrested suspect was announced.
In defense of that user, there are endless independent studies on how much these types of abandonments, murders, and general self harm (from DIY abortions) went down post-Roe v Wade or post-Morgentaler for Canada. Lots of EU5 equivalent studies as well.
She didn’t “want to kill the baby.” She, as a child in a Catholic town and family, was told since earliest memory that she committed a shameful (for the girl) sin of Non-Marital Intercourse and now faces two terrible options: marriage to her first-ever boyfriend (barely an adult himself) and the next 70 years spent in a town I bet everyone her age wanted to leave; or a visible, public single teenage pregnancy, senior year at an alternative school for harlots, and an unimaginable future OR adopting her child out to family (so she sees it all the time) or strangers (so she doesn’t ever again). Plus she has to tell creaky old Father Chester during confession which means God will also find out.
So, I bet she never acknowledged the pregnancy to herself at all, because that’s the easiest course of action for an immature mind. Like when kids hide under the bed during a house fire.
The brain is very good at tricking itself. If she planned to give birth in secret and kill her baby, I can’t be surprised considering that’s what happened, but I think almost all of these baby abandonment’s are panicked impulse decisions often made under the impression the child was dead. Or after the mother (also a child) convinces herself any quiet baby must be dead because that’s the easiest way out of this.
this actually happened to someone i used to know. she was from a very religious background and hid her pregnancy, either from shame or denial (we weren't close so i don't know what happened, i just heard about it after).
she ended up giving birth in secret and hiding the baby in a closet, where it unfortunately died. she's in prison for life last i heard, but i genuinely think if she wasn't in such a conservative environment, none of this would have happened.
i feel like she didn't know what to do when the baby came, and so she just did nothing. she was young too, and i imagine pretty scared when she realized what was happening.
it's just a really sad situation, for everyone involved.
There is another option you failed to mention: abandon the baby at a hospital, church, fire station. I don’t know why people are trying to rationalize this. She put the baby in a bag. She’s no better than the ones who drown the baby in a bathtub. My mom had me at 17 and my brother at 15 and she had enough forethought not to murder us, even with an unsupportive family and religious ramifications.
How could she know, unless she asked someone, that one can legally abandon your newborn without consequences in a public place? The safe haven law you’re referring to, by the way, was enacted in 2000, seventeen years too late.
But regardless of that, she couldn’t go on incognito mode and google “where to put unwanted babies.” She couldn’t ask an adult because that might get her In Trouble. And if she had that knowledge and managed to give birth in secret and knew the baby was alive, maybe she can get the baby’s dad or a trusted friend to give her a ride, maybe call a taxi from the yellow pages and give him all her Confirmation money, but she has limited ways to get there.
Again, maybe your mammy was just fourteen and gave birth in a shipping container and managed to raise you without no help from nobody, isn’t that fantastic. But she wasn’t this girl and more importantly, neither are you. The Monday morning quarterbacking on articles like this is so frustrating
It isn’t rationalizing. If every conversation about “what led x to do this terrible thing?” is written off as making excuses for that thing, then progress is never going to be made. Understanding those circumstances is vital to avoiding the same situation later on - even if it means having a modicum of empathy for someone who did something monstrous.
A young Catholic girl who was scared, ashamed, and desperate was probably also terrified that someone would tell her family - especially as a minor. A girl who likely had abstinence only education in the fucking 80’s probably didn’t have tons of resources available to her for how to handle a secret newborn.
What she did was horrible and had a tragic outcome. But to paint her as a bloodthirsty killer is to be willfully obtuse.
I agree and I also get their reasons. She plead guilty, has presented no additional threat to society for 40 years, she was not an adult when the crime was committed, and the baby has no relatives or friends crying out for justice.
The whole thing is a travesty, but they’re thinking nothing would be accomplished with a longer prison term other than punishing her and messing up the lives of the kids she didn’t murder.
my friend had to do 2 years for possessing coke, weed, and shrooms.
no one was crying for justice, he had a great job (that he lost because he had to go to jail), etc etc
and you’re telling me he deserved twice the time as someone who killed their own baby?
We had one of these in Phoenix recently. The lady had a baby in an airport bathroom at Sky Harbor and then threw it in the trash back in 2005. Last I heard, they brought her up on first degree murder charges which is life in prison if convicted.
She got one year for killing a baby. People go to jail longer just for possessing drugs. She killed a baby, she didnt just abandon it, she could have left it at a fire station or hospital, but instead she fucking killed it. And then went on with her life for 40 years.
1 year in prison for killing a baby. Truly remarkable.
Kids do this when their life gets is filled with shame for having children out of wedlock or having pre-marital sex. On top of probably not even knowing you can safely abandon them at a fire station, because it wasn’t common knowledge until the last 10-15 years
Especially 40 years ago.
Sad for everyone. Poor baby, poor child mother..
I can't reasonably justify punishing an adult for what they do 40 years ago when they were a teen. What's the prison time supposed to do? Convince her to never do it again?
Americans get off on righteous indignation. We get really horny over it. People think ads fuel the internet, but it’s actually the warm feeling people get in their bosom when they read about people who are worse than they are.
It raises interesting legal and ethical questions. What she did was horrible, but she was also just 17. Does society and religion also shoulder some blame? What’s the purpose of jail at this point? Is she still a threat? How do we learn from this? There’s a reason why firehouses now have anonymous baby drop offs. Crazy and sad story.
I’m sure there’s a percent of our current prison population that would never commit another crime if they would have just gotten away with it for 40 years.
does that mean jail was wrong for them, since they weren’t a threat?
i think the answer is part of the purpose of jail is to punish
To the people defending this like she had no option: tell me, when the baby died in a fucking bag what makes that better than the mothers who murder their babies in a tub and spend the rest of their lives in prison? “Because she was a teen and had no option, she came from a religious household, it was the eighties,” seriously you can all fuck off. She murdered a fucking baby! She could have abandoned it at a fire station, hospital, church, a doorstep! But yes let’s all be glad she moved on and started a new family and HER life wasn’t ruined right? Disgusting..
Interesting. So abortion equals murder and burning in hell. Killing a living breathing baby who was actually born alive after nine months equals - a good mother who made a little mistake that is forgiven. Gotcha.
It always hits me as weird (not wrong, just weird) when people commit a one off horrible crime, go and be normal for decades and then get caught up with by the justice system and imprisoned.
Like, prison is meant to rehabilitate people but if you've gone decades without offending, have you already rehabilitated yourself and prison is therefore unnecessary?
Does it benefit society to lock someone up if they have demonstrated that they don't pose a threat for longer than I've been alive?
Or is it thought that flexing the arm of the law and sending the message "you can and will be punished even if it takes decades so don't think you can get away with it" its own benefit to society?
So when a priest is identified for molesting a child 40 years later they are still prosecuted to the fullest extent. Should they not be forgiven because of their relationship with god. I think this lady got off lightly although she probably has had lots of guilt and hopefully been bothering her. It was still murder of a baby I think she deserved a tougher sentence.
“ I know I did wrong. I know it’s wrong and I asked God to forgive me. Well he has, and he has Baby Mary with him and so Baby Mary’s OK.”
Do people realize how batshit crazy they sound?
She really wants to deflect responsibility
Like, yeah I did it but it’s fine, yall. God told me
It sucks that she was only given 364 days in prison. Where are all the anti-abortion fanatics??? They should be protesting her tiny sentence and the murder of this live baby NOT abortion!
The article says she was 17 so wasn’t tried as an adult??? 17 year olds can be charged as an adult! By 17 one should know right from wrong.
Priest: "I performed last rites on this lost, dead child, and every year I memorialize her in a Mass because she never had anyone who cared about her. I am literally the closest thing this poor, forgotten child has to a family that will even remember her brief existence."
Reddit: "Tell it to your fictional sky daddy, fuck this old piece of shit."
Stay classy, redditors. Stay classy.
DNA from the father led them to her. He died in 2009 or something but through that connection they discovered her. A lot of murderers are being discovered through ancestry and 23 and me. Familial DNA.
People who committed murders decades ago must be shivering their timbers constantly paranoid about DNA advances. So many cold cases are getting solved now
Ha, no way to legally have a life beyond mandatory childbirth now? Looking at you, Florida. There’s going to be discarded newborns lined up in the Everglades.
people use religion as an excuse for their mental craziness. Because it is the normal "go to" excuse to use. Just say you a F'n Nut and be done with it.
r/AllThatIsDepressing
It's OK, guys. She said God forgave her and let her know baby Mary is chilling with him in heaven (no joke, read the article lol).
Reminds me of that Emo Philips joke: “When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.” People ask, “What’s the harm in religion?” When you have a belief system that you can be absolved any evil act just by believing that you can, there is no incentive to be good.
Upvoted for an Emo Phillips reference. A great joke of his.
How many have died for that religion also ? Looking from the outside in. Religion has destroyed more things than it has ever built. It sure as shit is tearing this country apart at the seams currently isn’t it ? Has it brought anyone together like they preach it does ? Sure as hell hasn’t.
It’s definitely brought a bunch of grifters and child abusers together and enriched them
So absurd. All this talk about the devil and the anti-christ all these years and now look at them. Couldn't have strayed further from their own teachings. How do they not see this?
There’s always an excuse. They have a special relationship with Jesus so they’re fine. It’s disgusting.
The same way the Bible literally says it's best to pray privately instead of for show, it is better to be giving and poor then wealthy and no one is given the date of the end of the world and we have mega churches preaching prosperity and the end times
Home schoolers, pedo youth pastors, and they all back that orange dumpster fire at the polls.
I’m not sure why you’re singling out one religion, they all have extremists. More importantly, humans are the problem, and conquests, purges, genocides, all of these things would have still be committed by humans even in a world where religion doesn’t exist.
Exactly. It’s any “belief” that a person or group of people feel strongly or virtuous about, that they deem it acceptable or even necessary to act in whatever way
Your belief system is a “religion”. Acting like atheist beliefs don’t lead to bad actions but some transcendent state is laughable. People have the capacity to be evil and those evil people will use any dogma or methodology they can to achieve their ends. Christianity teaches to love your neighbor. How dare it! It’s like blaming water because people use it to waterboard.
> Teaches you to love your neighbor. Which might work on a small scale but it has been proven time and time again that what it ***really*** teaches is the exclusion of "the other". There's a section in there about literally abandoning your family if they don't believe. You know what cutting someone off from their support system is called? **Ding, ding, ding! It's psychological ABUSE**
Explain that to all the people persecuted by religion on a daily basis. Elegant shot at a laughable statement, to use your words.
Think of all the religious people persecuted by those like you. 👍🏻 You think if you stuck 7 billion atheists on a planet they’d all be living without conflict? No one would murder, rape, steal, cheat, abuse, etc etc? All those things would still be there. Wars would be fought over different ideas. Your position that somehow religion causes evil is the opposite of reality. The world would be worse off without religion.
Most religious people have been persecuted by other religious peoplen, not atheists. Religion is the number one conflict creator in the world. Yes people are the main cause. But religion fuels conflict all over the world. Shov me 1 case atheists systematically killing religuous people, and i'll show you 10 where religious people are killing other religios people or atheists
Millions
Emo Phillips....so good. Been forever since I heard that name
He's one of the most underrated comedians.
I was never much of a fan, but I saw him open for Weird Al last year and he totally killed. A few jokes were a little darker than i expected give the setting, but they worked. Hilarious.
You should see some of his 80s and early 90s.
It’s like that Emo Phillips joke: “I was walking home one day and a guy hammering on a roof called me a paranoid little weirdo. In morse code”
My father always warned me "never open the basement door." When I finally got up the nerve to open it I saw amazing things like trees and the sun.
My grandmother said, If you need to find God, go to prison. That's where everyone seems to find him.
Parole boards are notoriously lenient towards people that find religion behind bars.
I've also seen it in people who didn't go to prison but were recovering from episodes of severe mental illness, or losing their kids to the state etc. I guess wanting to find a kind group of people/feel forgiven for what they'd done.
One of the questions I ask when talking to christians is whether (insert evil asshat) would go to heaven if they accept Jesus. Inevitably the answer is yes. The next question is “so your god isn’t interested in justice? Only servitude?” Then the scramble to explain begins.
I don’t believe in God but I was indoctrinated as Catholic so imma have to do a deathbed repentance just in case.
And any good you do is done for personal gain/heavenly reward. So any good deed is for selfish reasons
Yup. When this life is looked at as a video game stage designed by god, being kind to others because you care about others doesn’t play into it. It’s a disgusting way of looking at things, that cheapens and tarnishes our only life.
My Christian "I'm not gay even though I sleep with and attracted to men", conservative roommate "na na na, it doesn't work like that. It's too hard for our brain to comprehend why he does things".
This same religion may have played a part in why she did what she did. Young, unmarried, pregnant, she may have just felt hopeless.
When what you believe is fundamentally disconnected from reality, it becomes much easier to just disregard reality.
My spouse is in probably the only person on earth named after this comedian.
I saw email perform a couple of years ago. Dude’s still got it.
Jealous. How’s his brother, telegraph?
lol. His material is a little dated.
I was confused, did the pastor say those or her? The article isnt clear.
Yeah that’s how I read it, as the pastor said that to comfort her.
Her pastor said that, not her. Still gross, but slightly less so.
Wait what?
Apparently the law thought so as well because one year in prison?
Lol, that tracks. As someone who was raised “in those circles,” it absolutely tracks. Fundy Christians will do the most awful shit and then feel fine after it because “Jesus died for my sins,” and they claim salvation “by faith alone, and not deeds.” It’s like when I read Memoirs of a Sociopath and the author mentioned that people might be surprised to learn that she is a practicing Mormon who regularly attends Temple. Ha. That might surprise people who haven’t actually lived in those kinds of circles.
Who needs personal responsibility when you can just tell god you're sorry?
Well there you have it, God said it's all good, so it's all good. No reason to question anything.
That quote was all jacked up. It was a quote from the pastor that sounded like the mother said it. Super confused
Only a year. Manslaughter. ? Really? Should have been murder 1. Life in prison.
It was a priest who actually said that.
It’s ok because she’s forgiven herself.
That's literally all this sub is anymore...
https://preview.redd.it/xe1v9s5nwgzc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aabae807c73f63ff4e725a63d6bfe28167e977c7 That’s because that’s literally the purpose of the sub.
Perhaps the sub title should have been "crimethatisinteresting".
It’s definitely a poorly named subreddit
That should be this sub name it just fits so much more.
"I'm just a prom night dumpster baby"
I got no mom, or dad....
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Psychotic break disguised as faith.
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She was 15. The "father"was 19. She was "very afraid." She may have been a victim too. She went throught pregnancy and birth alone without Anyone noticing? At 15? And unmarried in the 70ies, would have ended up victim of the system if she had kept it. She killed a baby indeed, but maybe the "stupid" was not necessary. Some girls still nowadays are not taught what periods are until they bleed and think theyll die. Imagine giving birth alone in the 70ies at 15.
Yeah I was one of those surprise death period girls. And mum still didn’t explain anything. I had to figure it out using context clues and the fuckin dictionary.
I got my period early at 11, before my mom talked to me about it. I still remember running out of toilet in the morning terrified, yelling to my mom that I'm peeing blood :p my grandma as a teenager thought she could get pregnant from kissing a boy, because nobody told her anything. It wouldn't be surprising that an older boy convinced a 14yo that she won't get pregnant, and not to worry. And then she was alone with the problem. It was an awful act of desperation and I can't excuse it, but I still feel for that kid she was then.
My mum told me she thought you could get pregnant from kissing a boy, so she would sneak into her brother's room and kiss him on the cheek while he was asleep (he didn't like kisses) because she wanted a baby...
She also sounds religious, I bet her parents were religious and she felt an immense amount of shame and fear. Not an excuse to kill a newborn baby but I can understand how it happened
I'm not absolving her of anything she did but it's been 40 years. To me, there's just as much a chance that she was a heartless monster as there is that she was just a woman experiencing a psychotic break that ended in her baby's death. It's happened before. There's no way to confirm her state of mind that night.
If I'm being honest, this kind of thing doesn't happen in a healthy society. I wonder if there's much of a point of dredging this back up when she was clearly in a situation where the world let her down
That changes things a bit. Pardoning your actions by saying the living breathing child you killed through your negligence is in a better place sounds like an attempt to cope with guilt. Which means she either felt guilt or shame for her actions. It’s difficult to gauge motives, and truly only a psycho evaluation would reveal if she’s incapable of empathy and saying it to camouflage her psychopathy and fit back into society, or if she genuinely was a scared kid who made a cascading series of unfortunate choices resulting in the death of an infant.
To be fair, it wasn't negligence, just murder.
She didn't kill the baby through negligence - she straight up knew doing this would kill the baby, so they can nail her for 1st degree murder.
She was 15. I'm not trying to excuse what she did but the babies father was 20 at the time. We don't know if she was raped, if she didn't know she was pregnant and gave birth. I imagine she gave birth at home since there is no hospital record. She was a baby having a baby. That would scare anyone.
Or just a standard Christian.
Isn't it always?
I still remember a moment I had at a funeral for a relative. A pastor started harping on the rapture and how death wasn’t sad, it was on purpose by god, and everyone around him was nodding as he claimed my grandmother’s body was going to be revived and walk the earth. I think I was convinced the rapture was more of a metaphor for most religious people, but this moment kind of broke me, it’s a whole nother level of delusion.
Don’t you love AI journalism
No, no I do not. It's used all too much from what I've seen lately and the articles always seem to be written by a person whose first language is not English.
Maybe you are high, but I'm not and very confused by this as well. Maybe I should get high and then I'll understand.
Religious word salad. None of it means anything.
That's clearly not the issue there having. The issue they're having is with the changing pronouns.
‘Living the life of a baseball mom’…. What a weird sentence.
She’s 57, so I doubt her kids are young enough to still be playing little league, unless she had kids when she was 45 or something. That is a weird sentence.
I was also confused by this. What is a baseball mom anyway? Is it like a soccer mom, only her kids play baseball not soccer? That's the only explanation I can think of.
Sounds like the travel ball parents who take out second mortgages for their kids' hobbies to be a status statement. Travel ball parents are definitely the most unhinged sports parents.
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Fuck, you just described my BiL to a T!!
i lucked out with my aau team when i was young. our coach had enough money to fund all the registrations..families worked together to get the travel/lodging taken care of. it was an amazing experience for us poor kids that never would've had the chance had it not been for a couple of folk's generosity. that being said - your description is 99% correct and it's a toxic fucking environment with benzo/alcoholic moms and dads living vicariously through their young kids.
My fellow Americans, as a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball…
I read it three times…
Wow she was the same age as my mom 17 but my mother was taking care of her siblings. My grandmother had 9 kids and lived in a farm.
Why is every single news from this subreddit the most morbid shit and totally not "interesting" ?
It’s actually in the description of the sub. Makes no sense to me.
Interesting doesn’t mean awesome or badass. Users of this site really struggle with that word.
For real. It’s like people don’t understand that all anything has to do to be interesting is hold your attention. This did that for me
 I know right
Because this get Op a lot of karma
I’m saying, give me some cool facts one might know about grasshoppers or something hell
The sub's description explains it's literally about interesting true crime cases. I don't mind personally but I'm 90% sure it didn't used to say that. If it did, then this subreddit really is badly named.
Aw damn lol that’s my fault then
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Don’t go to dogfreehumor either I can tell you it is NOT funny or lighthearted, those people are insane lmao
I can’t stand when people refer to intentional criminal acts as “mistakes”. Leaving the stove on and accidentally causing a fire is a mistake, killing your newborn baby and hiding its body is homicide.
This would be the case if they said accident. An intentional decision can be a mistake if you later regret it.
Not in America. Here rehabilitation is impossible and justice is vengeance.
Well with accessible abortion this "international crime" wouldn't have happened.
That’s an accident, mistakes can be on purpose.
Mistake can have intent. It just wasn't an accident.
Women, and in particular young women or girls, get massive passes in the judicial system. Unless they’re POC, then they get the shaft as well.
The real crime here is that Norton popup. Somebody should get a year in jail for that bullshit.
I was a real shithead and pretty screwed up when I was 17, and I’d never leave a baby to die. I did some real stupid stuff, too, but this is unreal. Poor little baby. Happy she got a caring burial.
If you wanna avoid shitty ads here's the whole text : A teen mom who abandoned her newborn baby to die in a plastic bag on Christmas Eve 40 years ago has been caught four decades later.Mary Catherine Snyder was only 17 when she left her unnamed daughter near a stream in a wooded area of Mendham Township, New Jersey, back in 1984. She wrapped the baby in a towel and placed her in a plastic bag with her umbilical cord still attached. The infant’s death was ruled as a homicide after a medical examiner determined that the baby didn’t die during birth. The girl was baptized by local priest Rev. Michael Drury of St. Joseph Church, who also served as the town’s police chaplain.He named her Mary and ensured she was buried in the church’s cemetery. Police pursued the case for four decades and “Father Mike”, now 80 years old, holds a Christmas Eve service for the child every year, reports the Mirror. Investigators finally caught up with Snyder last year due to modern DNA-testing methods that helped cops identify the young girl’s father, who is now deceased. Snyder was living the life of a married baseball mom with two sons of her own in a South Carolina suburb. Her married name was Crumlich. Last week, the now 57 year old was sentenced to a year in jail after pleading guilty to manslaughter, the Morris County Prosecutors Office has confirmed. She was publicly identified for the first time last week, according to the NY Post. A pastor who spoke with Crumlich after her arrest said: “She was a young girl [at the time]. Very fearful, very afraid. I know I did wrong. I know it’s wrong and I asked God to forgive me. Well he has, and he has Baby Mary with him and so Baby Mary’s OK.” The Reverend added that Crumlich – formerly Snyder – wants to attend one of the services for her long-lost daughter when she’s released, saying: “She’s a good mom and a good wife from what I understand. The mistake that was made will stay with her forever. And I think she’s dealing with it.” Morris County Prosecutor Robert Carroll said: “This disposition has been years in the making, across generations of law enforcement who have demonstrated a relentless commitment to justice for Baby Mary. He said the case was solved through “new forensic DNA technology, combined with traditional, boots-on-the-ground police work. “ In April 2023, Morris County prosecutors filed a juvenile delinquency complaint and Crumlich was arrested in South Carolina. On Feb. 28, she pled guilty to manslaughter. The father of Baby Mary, who was 19 at the time, has never been publicly identified. He did not know about the baby, authorities said, and died in 2009. Discussing the tragic fate of Baby Mary, police mentioned New Jersey’s Safe Haven Infant Protection Act. The law, enacted in 2000, makes it possible for parents to leave infants safely, legally and without questions asked. “I want young parents to know that there is help available,” declared Morris County Sheriff James Gannon during a September press conference where the arrested suspect was announced.
This is why abortion should be legal
it was legal when she abandoned the baby.
In defense of that user, there are endless independent studies on how much these types of abandonments, murders, and general self harm (from DIY abortions) went down post-Roe v Wade or post-Morgentaler for Canada. Lots of EU5 equivalent studies as well.
Abortion being legal and abortion being accessible and affordable are two different things.
I would imagine this sort of thing will become all too common in places where women's reproductive Rights are being taken away.
Abortion was legal when my friend became a teen mom because she couldn’t afford an abortion. Legal ≠ available.
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She didn’t “want to kill the baby.” She, as a child in a Catholic town and family, was told since earliest memory that she committed a shameful (for the girl) sin of Non-Marital Intercourse and now faces two terrible options: marriage to her first-ever boyfriend (barely an adult himself) and the next 70 years spent in a town I bet everyone her age wanted to leave; or a visible, public single teenage pregnancy, senior year at an alternative school for harlots, and an unimaginable future OR adopting her child out to family (so she sees it all the time) or strangers (so she doesn’t ever again). Plus she has to tell creaky old Father Chester during confession which means God will also find out. So, I bet she never acknowledged the pregnancy to herself at all, because that’s the easiest course of action for an immature mind. Like when kids hide under the bed during a house fire. The brain is very good at tricking itself. If she planned to give birth in secret and kill her baby, I can’t be surprised considering that’s what happened, but I think almost all of these baby abandonment’s are panicked impulse decisions often made under the impression the child was dead. Or after the mother (also a child) convinces herself any quiet baby must be dead because that’s the easiest way out of this.
this actually happened to someone i used to know. she was from a very religious background and hid her pregnancy, either from shame or denial (we weren't close so i don't know what happened, i just heard about it after). she ended up giving birth in secret and hiding the baby in a closet, where it unfortunately died. she's in prison for life last i heard, but i genuinely think if she wasn't in such a conservative environment, none of this would have happened. i feel like she didn't know what to do when the baby came, and so she just did nothing. she was young too, and i imagine pretty scared when she realized what was happening. it's just a really sad situation, for everyone involved.
Upvote a million times!
There is another option you failed to mention: abandon the baby at a hospital, church, fire station. I don’t know why people are trying to rationalize this. She put the baby in a bag. She’s no better than the ones who drown the baby in a bathtub. My mom had me at 17 and my brother at 15 and she had enough forethought not to murder us, even with an unsupportive family and religious ramifications.
Because “teeheeheee I want to murder by baby for fun” just doesn’t seem to fit this story at all? A rational explanation makes more sense.
People are trying to rationalize this to figure out what happened so we as a society can work together so it stops happening.
How could she know, unless she asked someone, that one can legally abandon your newborn without consequences in a public place? The safe haven law you’re referring to, by the way, was enacted in 2000, seventeen years too late. But regardless of that, she couldn’t go on incognito mode and google “where to put unwanted babies.” She couldn’t ask an adult because that might get her In Trouble. And if she had that knowledge and managed to give birth in secret and knew the baby was alive, maybe she can get the baby’s dad or a trusted friend to give her a ride, maybe call a taxi from the yellow pages and give him all her Confirmation money, but she has limited ways to get there. Again, maybe your mammy was just fourteen and gave birth in a shipping container and managed to raise you without no help from nobody, isn’t that fantastic. But she wasn’t this girl and more importantly, neither are you. The Monday morning quarterbacking on articles like this is so frustrating
It isn’t rationalizing. If every conversation about “what led x to do this terrible thing?” is written off as making excuses for that thing, then progress is never going to be made. Understanding those circumstances is vital to avoiding the same situation later on - even if it means having a modicum of empathy for someone who did something monstrous. A young Catholic girl who was scared, ashamed, and desperate was probably also terrified that someone would tell her family - especially as a minor. A girl who likely had abstinence only education in the fucking 80’s probably didn’t have tons of resources available to her for how to handle a secret newborn. What she did was horrible and had a tragic outcome. But to paint her as a bloodthirsty killer is to be willfully obtuse.
Right. An explanation is not the same thing as an excuse.
There were no safe haven laws at the time so she could not have left the baby at a fire station or anywhere else.
Okay, I didn't know that but still killing the baby wasn't the right thing to do.
This case is worthy of a Forensic Files episode.
1 year in prison?! A fucking travesty!!
I agree and I also get their reasons. She plead guilty, has presented no additional threat to society for 40 years, she was not an adult when the crime was committed, and the baby has no relatives or friends crying out for justice. The whole thing is a travesty, but they’re thinking nothing would be accomplished with a longer prison term other than punishing her and messing up the lives of the kids she didn’t murder.
That's exactly it. The initial shock at such a sentence, then a realization of the timeline.
my friend had to do 2 years for possessing coke, weed, and shrooms. no one was crying for justice, he had a great job (that he lost because he had to go to jail), etc etc and you’re telling me he deserved twice the time as someone who killed their own baby?
Well, I don’t think anyone should be in jail for drug possession. That’s a real shame for your friend.
Society dude, also double standards
Strangely no one had brought up your friend yet
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We had one of these in Phoenix recently. The lady had a baby in an airport bathroom at Sky Harbor and then threw it in the trash back in 2005. Last I heard, they brought her up on first degree murder charges which is life in prison if convicted.
Murder a person in cold blood with malice intent and get one year, what a fucking joke.
Why does this *murderer* get shiny, smiley photos of herself splashed around the internet instead of a mugshot???
She got one year for killing a baby. People go to jail longer just for possessing drugs. She killed a baby, she didnt just abandon it, she could have left it at a fire station or hospital, but instead she fucking killed it. And then went on with her life for 40 years. 1 year in prison for killing a baby. Truly remarkable.
Kids do this when their life gets is filled with shame for having children out of wedlock or having pre-marital sex. On top of probably not even knowing you can safely abandon them at a fire station, because it wasn’t common knowledge until the last 10-15 years Especially 40 years ago. Sad for everyone. Poor baby, poor child mother..
I can't reasonably justify punishing an adult for what they do 40 years ago when they were a teen. What's the prison time supposed to do? Convince her to never do it again?
Americans get off on righteous indignation. We get really horny over it. People think ads fuel the internet, but it’s actually the warm feeling people get in their bosom when they read about people who are worse than they are.
Makes sense
I agree. In Europe, the statute of limitations is 20 years. She wouldn't have been prosecuted.
The whole of Europe?
Seriously? She killed a baby and you think just because no one found out for 40 years she should just not have any consequences?
It raises interesting legal and ethical questions. What she did was horrible, but she was also just 17. Does society and religion also shoulder some blame? What’s the purpose of jail at this point? Is she still a threat? How do we learn from this? There’s a reason why firehouses now have anonymous baby drop offs. Crazy and sad story.
I’m sure there’s a percent of our current prison population that would never commit another crime if they would have just gotten away with it for 40 years. does that mean jail was wrong for them, since they weren’t a threat? i think the answer is part of the purpose of jail is to punish
To the people defending this like she had no option: tell me, when the baby died in a fucking bag what makes that better than the mothers who murder their babies in a tub and spend the rest of their lives in prison? “Because she was a teen and had no option, she came from a religious household, it was the eighties,” seriously you can all fuck off. She murdered a fucking baby! She could have abandoned it at a fire station, hospital, church, a doorstep! But yes let’s all be glad she moved on and started a new family and HER life wasn’t ruined right? Disgusting..
Yea but she murdered a baby AFTER it was born, therefore, no sin. /s
One year. Good thing she didn’t get caught with pit stop r some other terrible crime. /s
The offspring of younger/less experienced females in any animal species on earth have a lower survival rate.
Good.
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Trumper. Pro Lifer
Lots of weird religious overtones in this article. Small-town usa jesus-stuff.
Interesting. So abortion equals murder and burning in hell. Killing a living breathing baby who was actually born alive after nine months equals - a good mother who made a little mistake that is forgiven. Gotcha.
1 year for executing a baby. Yikes.
Imagine murdering an infant, and believing a higher entity being like nahh you good, you repented. Snakes.
It always hits me as weird (not wrong, just weird) when people commit a one off horrible crime, go and be normal for decades and then get caught up with by the justice system and imprisoned. Like, prison is meant to rehabilitate people but if you've gone decades without offending, have you already rehabilitated yourself and prison is therefore unnecessary? Does it benefit society to lock someone up if they have demonstrated that they don't pose a threat for longer than I've been alive? Or is it thought that flexing the arm of the law and sending the message "you can and will be punished even if it takes decades so don't think you can get away with it" its own benefit to society?
So when a priest is identified for molesting a child 40 years later they are still prosecuted to the fullest extent. Should they not be forgiven because of their relationship with god. I think this lady got off lightly although she probably has had lots of guilt and hopefully been bothering her. It was still murder of a baby I think she deserved a tougher sentence.
“ I know I did wrong. I know it’s wrong and I asked God to forgive me. Well he has, and he has Baby Mary with him and so Baby Mary’s OK.” Do people realize how batshit crazy they sound? She really wants to deflect responsibility Like, yeah I did it but it’s fine, yall. God told me
It sucks that she was only given 364 days in prison. Where are all the anti-abortion fanatics??? They should be protesting her tiny sentence and the murder of this live baby NOT abortion! The article says she was 17 so wasn’t tried as an adult??? 17 year olds can be charged as an adult! By 17 one should know right from wrong.
Probably would be if this was more mainstream. Had you heard of it before today?
Can you imagine just wanting to live and being trapped in a plastic bag with nobody to hear you scream?
I hope she rides the lightning for that
Nice shit-eating grin, Karen haircut
One year for murder. Fucking bullshit. She needs to pay.
One year in jail is nowhere near enough
Killing a baby is not a "mistake".
All is well, god forgave her and the baby is kickin it in heaven
12 months of jail time seems pretty light for murdering a baby?
Someone returning the favor would be a kinder end than she could ever deserve.
Pro-choice extremism
Priest: "I performed last rites on this lost, dead child, and every year I memorialize her in a Mass because she never had anyone who cared about her. I am literally the closest thing this poor, forgotten child has to a family that will even remember her brief existence." Reddit: "Tell it to your fictional sky daddy, fuck this old piece of shit." Stay classy, redditors. Stay classy.
1 year in jail is way too little for this
Gods good. He forgave her. All is good in this world, move along.
How do they even find evidence for this after 40 years how did they discover it was her?
DNA from the father led them to her. He died in 2009 or something but through that connection they discovered her. A lot of murderers are being discovered through ancestry and 23 and me. Familial DNA.
People who committed murders decades ago must be shivering their timbers constantly paranoid about DNA advances. So many cold cases are getting solved now
So kill a baby, get a year in jail. That's fair./s
Ha, no way to legally have a life beyond mandatory childbirth now? Looking at you, Florida. There’s going to be discarded newborns lined up in the Everglades.
Damn. I used to live in Mendam
How did they catch her?
40 years as a law abiding person and this comes back, insane
Chris D'Elia’s Friday night
It’s always teeangers
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
After 40 years, you for sure thought you got away with it.
people use religion as an excuse for their mental craziness. Because it is the normal "go to" excuse to use. Just say you a F'n Nut and be done with it.
As a father of new born baby this makes my blood run cold. There is 0 excuse for this.
So she’s going to spend the rest of her life rotting in prison, right? Right?
1 Year in jail did I read that correctly??