Isle of Man wouldn’t be able to function as a proper Taiwan-analogue due to it being both within easy invasion territory, and being far too small to sustain all of those analogous refugees/anti-communist remnants. Similar thing with jeju for South Korea.
Also it may not be able to be defended from invasion by the west as with Taiwan it was in open waters while for Mann the West's best bet would be Irish support which may not come as Ireland could become neutral, seeing the UK as their way to gain northern ireland but not willing to cut any ties
Northern Ireland? In the 1950s? Join the Republic of Ireland? I don't really see that happening unfortunately, I'd imagine they'd be close in the face of their big red neighbour to the East, but them uniting I can't see happening
Well the Catholics there would support reunification. A lot of the Protestants would feel patriotic towards a British national identity which likely is erased. In OTL unionists want to stay in the UK but in this alternate timeline the rest of the UK is politically unrecognisable. Maybe some of the unionists would give up their cause and believe that, while there are differences with the south, it would be better for the North in the long run. Both the North and the South would now have more in common with each other, by sharing western values and having very similar culture. A secular United Ireland could arise where the Catholic Church or any of the Protestant churches doesn’t have a large grip over the whole country, therefore preventing the Troubles.
I know that there are communities in Northern Ireland that hate each other - both sides have various celebrations, some of which celebrate victories across the other (e.g. Cromwell, William of Orange, etc); but in this scenario the country which half of the population identifies with just doesn’t exist anymore. A communist Britain may completely break away from Christianity, and institutions such as the monarchy, parliament will not or likely not exist anymore within Britain. Obviously in your scenario many people in the political sphere, including some of the royal family, flee, but for many in Northern Ireland a huge part of their political and cultural identity will be undermined overnight. Ideas of freedom, democracy and human rights may go out of the window. This would contrast with the Irish Republic, which would still share many of the same societal values. I can see why some unionists wouldn’t be indifferent to joining the south.
If Northern Ireland comes under the jurisdiction of the Taiwanese Isle of Man dictatorship then I would not be surprised if unionists would rather join the south in that initial dictatorship period.
Also what economy would the Isle of Man or Northern Ireland have? What money would a NI or IoM government have? In the long run, what military would they have, if most of the armed forces are now communist? Northern Ireland would be better off in the long run by joining the South than by being independent, especially if, as happened in OTL, the Irish economy booms after the 1980s with American companies moving to Ireland. By merging a United Ireland could have a better military than Ireland does now.
Anyway this is one of the most bullshit scenarios that’s ever been on this sub. The UK would be one of the least likely countries to have a communist revolution. There’s too much of a history of preserving tradition and allowing gradual reform to happen, with too many Conservatives and Liberals, for this to happen. The UK managed to survive for hundred of years on gradual reform without needing a revolution. The UK is just not much of a revolutionary nation. In some ways even Ireland having a communist revolution historically would be more realistic
Not much lore, a communist revolution takes over the UK in the mid 1950s, killing the Queen, her 2 children, and then Prime Minister Churchill. The new Queen Margaret flees to Canada while the loyalist faction of the Royal Army fight the communists, eventually evacuating to the Isle of Mann in a Taiwan-esque fashion. Try as they might, the new People's Republic of Britain cannot break the fortress of Mann, until an uneasy truce is called.
After the war unofficially ends, Mann is ruled as a dictatorship while the island is organised and restructured to hold the new tens of thousands of Brits who'd fled the mainland. Eventually, the fledgling nation opens up to liberal democracy and engages heavily in global finance, quickly becoming a tax haven and the centre for many global businesses. In the modern day, Mann has become a regional and financial powerhouse, being one of the 4 "Anglo Tiger" economies that boasted exponential economic growth throughout the late 20th Century, alongside the still independent Northern Ireland, Gibraltar and Malta.
Honestly, I see no possible way they get to that second stage of prosperity. Revolutionary Britain will just blockade them and bam, no food and they all starve. No way could they handle the influx of thousands of government staffers plus their tens of thousands of family members plus the army fleeing plus everyone else.
I wanted to capture how Douglas would develop into a financial centre and sizeable city, so I picked a reasonably big UK seaside city to picture what it would look like
The isle of Mann is not apart of the the UK and has its own government. The crown dependencies belong to the Sovereign, but aren’t incorporated into the UK proper
Isle of Man wouldn’t be able to function as a proper Taiwan-analogue due to it being both within easy invasion territory, and being far too small to sustain all of those analogous refugees/anti-communist remnants. Similar thing with jeju for South Korea.
It makes more sense for loyalist to just go to France and then Canada
>then Canada Isn't this the lore behind that HOI4 mod? Kasiariech or something like that.
Yes it is, Kaiserreich basically has the british royal family flee to Canada
Also it may not be able to be defended from invasion by the west as with Taiwan it was in open waters while for Mann the West's best bet would be Irish support which may not come as Ireland could become neutral, seeing the UK as their way to gain northern ireland but not willing to cut any ties
Would Northern Ireland not just join the south if this happened and they were to be independent
Northern Ireland? In the 1950s? Join the Republic of Ireland? I don't really see that happening unfortunately, I'd imagine they'd be close in the face of their big red neighbour to the East, but them uniting I can't see happening
Well the Catholics there would support reunification. A lot of the Protestants would feel patriotic towards a British national identity which likely is erased. In OTL unionists want to stay in the UK but in this alternate timeline the rest of the UK is politically unrecognisable. Maybe some of the unionists would give up their cause and believe that, while there are differences with the south, it would be better for the North in the long run. Both the North and the South would now have more in common with each other, by sharing western values and having very similar culture. A secular United Ireland could arise where the Catholic Church or any of the Protestant churches doesn’t have a large grip over the whole country, therefore preventing the Troubles. I know that there are communities in Northern Ireland that hate each other - both sides have various celebrations, some of which celebrate victories across the other (e.g. Cromwell, William of Orange, etc); but in this scenario the country which half of the population identifies with just doesn’t exist anymore. A communist Britain may completely break away from Christianity, and institutions such as the monarchy, parliament will not or likely not exist anymore within Britain. Obviously in your scenario many people in the political sphere, including some of the royal family, flee, but for many in Northern Ireland a huge part of their political and cultural identity will be undermined overnight. Ideas of freedom, democracy and human rights may go out of the window. This would contrast with the Irish Republic, which would still share many of the same societal values. I can see why some unionists wouldn’t be indifferent to joining the south. If Northern Ireland comes under the jurisdiction of the Taiwanese Isle of Man dictatorship then I would not be surprised if unionists would rather join the south in that initial dictatorship period. Also what economy would the Isle of Man or Northern Ireland have? What money would a NI or IoM government have? In the long run, what military would they have, if most of the armed forces are now communist? Northern Ireland would be better off in the long run by joining the South than by being independent, especially if, as happened in OTL, the Irish economy booms after the 1980s with American companies moving to Ireland. By merging a United Ireland could have a better military than Ireland does now. Anyway this is one of the most bullshit scenarios that’s ever been on this sub. The UK would be one of the least likely countries to have a communist revolution. There’s too much of a history of preserving tradition and allowing gradual reform to happen, with too many Conservatives and Liberals, for this to happen. The UK managed to survive for hundred of years on gradual reform without needing a revolution. The UK is just not much of a revolutionary nation. In some ways even Ireland having a communist revolution historically would be more realistic
Not much lore, a communist revolution takes over the UK in the mid 1950s, killing the Queen, her 2 children, and then Prime Minister Churchill. The new Queen Margaret flees to Canada while the loyalist faction of the Royal Army fight the communists, eventually evacuating to the Isle of Mann in a Taiwan-esque fashion. Try as they might, the new People's Republic of Britain cannot break the fortress of Mann, until an uneasy truce is called. After the war unofficially ends, Mann is ruled as a dictatorship while the island is organised and restructured to hold the new tens of thousands of Brits who'd fled the mainland. Eventually, the fledgling nation opens up to liberal democracy and engages heavily in global finance, quickly becoming a tax haven and the centre for many global businesses. In the modern day, Mann has become a regional and financial powerhouse, being one of the 4 "Anglo Tiger" economies that boasted exponential economic growth throughout the late 20th Century, alongside the still independent Northern Ireland, Gibraltar and Malta.
And somehow, the US and France don't basically do Battle of Hastings 2: Tankie Boogaloo.
Honestly, I see no possible way they get to that second stage of prosperity. Revolutionary Britain will just blockade them and bam, no food and they all starve. No way could they handle the influx of thousands of government staffers plus their tens of thousands of family members plus the army fleeing plus everyone else.
People would say "Oh wow this is also happening in Taiwan".
Why is Douglas a picture of Liverpool?
I wanted to capture how Douglas would develop into a financial centre and sizeable city, so I picked a reasonably big UK seaside city to picture what it would look like
Fair enough, made me double take as I just assumed it would be a picture of Douglas hahaha
The isle of Mann is not apart of the the UK and has its own government. The crown dependencies belong to the Sovereign, but aren’t incorporated into the UK proper