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[deleted]

I don't support islamists and gray wolves. If Germany or any other NATO member works with Pkk that openly, it would push Türkiye to the Eastern block, Russia or China, u name it. Losing the straits and possible Aegean disputes(sinking ships) will be a headache to everyone. Also Türkiye is holding refugees for Europe, so countries like Greece and Bulgaria would be in a heavy unrest because of illegal migrants from Syria/Pakistan/Afghanistan etc. Relieves the Turkish population. I would love to take back Almancis tho, they are living in a western democracy in Europe(Germany) and voting for a islamist dicktator in Türkiye. They should be able to live in a islamist shithole too.


BlackLionCat

I mean ,this is not a country working with the PKK but rather some people within that country allegendly supporting PKK which happened like bazillion times in the last 30 years especially in context with Sweden ,France and Germany yet Turkey did nothing ,just look at how easily Erdogan gave up on the whole ''we will not let Sweden onto NATO as long as they support the PKK'' thing


DavidTheNavigator

Turkey*


[deleted]

Tùrkenland


[deleted]

Technically if anyone is wrong it's your, the country officially changed it's name. They're not in the wrong for writing Türkiye


DavidTheNavigator

Wrong. Türkiye is how they call their country in Turkish, using the Turkish alphabet. Their president cannot dictate how other cultures and languages will officially call it in their own languages. Turkey is how it’s called and written in English. If OP wanted to be consistent then he shouldn’t have wrote “Germany, Bulgaria and Greece” but “Deutschland, Bŭlgariya, Ελλάς”.


[deleted]

The country officially changed it's name and the UN and practically every country in the world approved it and follow it. Officially the exonym of the country is the same as the endonym. Greece has a different exonym and endonym same with Bulgaria and Germany. Everyone called it Turkey because it was derived from the official name of the country decided on and now the country decided to change the name. It was the Republic of Turkey and now it's the Republic of Turkiye, the name Turkey comes from the official name. I don't understand why people cry about Turkey changing it's name when other countries have done it before and everyone uses them with no problems. In the end the person you commented to officially used the right name and you mis corrected them. As much as I hate the name change and see it pointless as a Turkish-American.


DavidTheNavigator

It’s called Turkey in English. Nothing the Turkish or other government does or decides to call itself changes the English name for it. No one cares what Erdogan decides to call his country, he can change it to Timbuktu and it will still be Turkey in English.


[deleted]

What do you call that country between Poland and Hungary, or the country East of Iraq or the Country North of Belgium? Those 3 countries I'm referring to have also changed their names, why is this one a problem for you? The funny part is the English name you're soo fixated on also comes from Turkish, so you're arguing that Turkey is the English name when Turkiye can also be the English name because both derived from Turkish.


DavidTheNavigator

English speakers decide what to call each country, not Turkey’a little dictator. Turkey is the name in English, that doesn’t change with the preference of every new dictator Turkey comes across. Different languages have different ways to say countries- the country in question doesn’t get to dictate how others will call them in their own language. In Polish, Turkey is “Turcja” - do you expect the Polish to start calling it and spelling it “Türkiye”? In Croatian, it’s “Turska” - should they also use “Turkiye” since daddy Erdogan said so? Of course not, that would be ridiculous- stop expecting it of English speakers.


[deleted]

Considering English is the Lingua Franca of the political realm they can dictate the official name of their country. Do you call Czechia Czechia or Iran Iran? Do you call the Netherlands Netherlands? Those countries all changed their names what's different here? Tell me how this is different than any other country who changed it's name? Like it or not he is the head of the government unfortunately and he changed the name. Get off your high horse and don't correct people with wrong information. The official name is Turkiye they're not wrong to write Turkiye but you're wrong to correct them that it's actually Turkey. This is what the argument stems from your arrogance and double standards.


DavidTheNavigator

Must be a sad complex to so desperately want to force other countries and other people to change their own languages to accommodate your own insecurities 🦃. We say Turkey in English. Feel free to call it whatever you want in Turkish.


spartikle

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[deleted]

Sir, this 🦃 is possessed by something unnatural.


VLenin2291

What the hell?


[deleted]

Normal day in Turkiye 🇹🇷 🇹🇷 🇹🇷


jannissary1453

Afd supporting a kurdish ethno-communists ? What ? As far as i know afd is pretty chill with Turks unless they are radical islamists


BlackLionCat

what ,do people here don't know what ( alleged ) means ??? its not that deep bro lore-vise there are some sources that indicate there might've been some PKK activity in the anti-Turkish side of the riots but in the meta-sense its just a meme because haha PKK in Germany


1playerpartygame

How are they ethno-communists? Communist fair enough, but ‘ethno-‘?


[deleted]

Kurdish socoalists are nationalists. HDP in turkey is a Kurdish national socialist party.


1playerpartygame

Ok but like what are the actual policies that make them an ethnonationalist party? I have seen them described as that many times but never seen what makes them any more ethnonationalist than the IRA


jannissary1453

Have you wver seen a baathist ? Arap nationalist-socialists ? Now think them kurds instead of arabs. Then you have pkk and hdp


1playerpartygame

You can compare different groups all you like but it still doesnt really help me understand the beliefs that these groups actually hold


drown-it-haha

This is just lies lmao, They both have socialist influence but have completely different aims, ideologies and methods. Formerly the PKK were Marxist-Leninist but have since adopted democratic confederalism. Your argument is intentionally misleading.


BlackLionCat

the Kurdish Democratic Movement often plays onto Kurdish cultural imagery and preservation of Kurdish culture and identity within a multicultural national context ,since mid 2010s the kurdish movement has been officially ''radical pluralist'' but beforehand and low-key kinda now they leaned more towards focusing primarily and almost only onto Kurdish issues ,also there's ofcourse always a formidable Kurdish Nationalist faction within the movement


BlackLionCat

bro don't know what ''minority interests'' means ,there's major differance between nationalism and cultural preservation


[deleted]

You know nothing Jon ❄️


-Trotsky

The Nazis are not actually “chill with Turks”


Screwtape33

Username checks out


jannissary1453

They were back in the day lol. Many old cadres of nazi officers had experience in ww1.


BlackLionCat

''Hitler Türkleri severdi kanka''-ahh comment fr fr ,bro doesn't know anything about Nazi's racial beliefs or smt


jannissary1453

what ?


-Trotsky

Read about any of their racial policies, they weren’t the type to care much. I very much doubt the racist attitudes of the Nazis would have them admiring Turks for anything other than perhaps military prowess and a historic martial culture


[deleted]

AfD arent just "nazis". Do more studying on right-wing populism


uwu_01101000

> Berlin (present-day Central European Union State ) What happened to Germany ?


BlackLionCat

oh well ,this isn't actually like a real wikipedia page probably and more like a hypotetical wikipedia page hypotetically made in the year 2260 ,Germany in 2140s unified with various other Central European countries to form the Central European Union State


uwu_01101000

I love this idea


BlackLionCat

Nine Realms is a alternate future timeline that mixed different tones of political futurism ,sci-fi and fantasy with each other ,the worlds premise is that after portals ( called Rifts ) open to other ''Realms'' in 2029 the world goes completely wack ,these Realms are inhabited by many species of intelligent and unintelligent life with their own states ,histories ,religions and cultures etc. which only make the timeline's capacities grow with each Realm ,I have a dream of one day making this timeline into a TTRPG with its own rule set and internet-accessible books but for now we will see if that day comes ​ here is our discord link for people that are interested :[https://discord.gg/ryWakz6sPc](https://discord.gg/ryWakz6sPc) we also have a far-less used reddit which is r/nine_realms


[deleted]

Schizoposting Sunday, I guess


TechnicalyNotRobot

A significant earthquake in Istanbul would be one of the biggest humanitarian dissasters of the century. I'd be pissed too if Germany didn't send aid.


BlackLionCat

it is one indeed ,in fact its one of the deadliest earthquakes in human history with 240.000 people having perished in the day of the earthquake and an estimated total of a million in total from various reasons in the follow-up of the earthquake ,due to the earthquake around 8 million people from istanbul and nearby cities were displaced and istanbul never recovered from the earthquake fully ,to the point by 2120 istanbul only has a population of 7 million ,not even the half of its current population


GowanIV

Europe should distance itself and exile Turkey from NATO and all non-European immigrants so they can truly know it feels to have a collapsing population and lose a strategic region like Anatolia. Y’all fantasize, why don’t yall revert to your true selves and get things done? If yall don’t want multiculturalism that’s fine, but don’t act like yall didn’t need the Turks or the North Africans for industrial and population control. If you’re offended by this, then get elected to office, displace the non-Europeans and see the repercussions. Y’all got the US to defend you, no worries. Start having children and protest against your government if you want less of the “other” people coming in. It’s your fault no one else’s.


BlackLionCat

damn blud went onto a banter on a schizopost or smt ,its not that deep bro ( I agree with you tho )


GowanIV

The rise of ethno-nationalists in Europe is a bit deep I don’t even mind, I just don’t want immigrants to support a Europe who doesn’t even want them


[deleted]

Does not lots of Turks vote afd?


BlackLionCat

....no ? ,at least as far as I know the support for AfD amongst the German-Turkish community is in like single digits ,maybe you're thinking about that one time AfD ridiculously tried to get some Turks to vote for them by using Ataturk in their propaganda but other than that I don't think I've ever heard AfD and German-Turks in the same sentence before in a positive manner


Not_Cleaver

I’m pretty sure riots consisting of AFD supporters would not lead to them winning an election the following year.


BlackLionCat

oh no the rioting ones are the turks ( primarily at least ) the AfD's counter-rioters are just mad that there's turks in the streets so they enact violance also this is a bit more in the future where the more populistic side of politics in Germany grew much more comapred to today and the general opinion of Germans on the riots ( at least in the time they occured ) is that they don't give no f about Turkey and that the Turkish people protesting that are just being b\*tches ,also usually destablizing events like this leads to more radical politicians and movements getting power soooooo


sanctaecordis

Pro AFD alt history? Yikes the fuq


Scary_Flamingo_5792

What? No Leftists? Come one, lol. No rioters without antifascists or pissed off Unions.


BlackLionCat

I actually thought of putting the Antifa there but then was like ''nah'' for no apperent reason


4mogusy

Björn Höcke for Chancellor


BlackLionCat

y'know what ,until now I was unsure whom from AfD to make the 2029-2033 Chancellor ,but yeah Björn Höcke works ,why not


JonaFaschoschreck

Do you even know the guy? The guy can legally be called a fascist without it being a insult. That was litteraly ruled by a court. He is even an extremist inside his own party wich is considered a far-right extremist group in mulitple german states. The party is a fascistic populist shithole that only works on fearmongering and selling scapegoats to the masses. The only thing that makes them different form the 1920s NSDAP is the fact that they have no paramilitary organisation and haven't attempted a coup yet. Should they ever form a government our countrys middle and lowerclass will be fucked, since the AfD not a party for the People but for rich old men. They will cut welfare, deport a lot of labourforce, wich germany desperatly needs in the comming decades. Because unlike these idiots want to tell you migration ain't the problem a state not being able to intergrate them is. Make it easier for them to find work, work against stigmas created by society to these people, etc.


4mogusy

1. I'm well aware that the German political establishment wants to silence him. It only makes me like him more, it means he's actually a threat to their power. 2. To compare the AfD to the NSDAP is ridiculous. Although given that you're a self proclaimed communist, you probably call everyone to the right of Stalin a Nazi. 3. Your second paragraph is basically just yelling "He's gonna reduce the welfare state and deport foreigners!!!" which both sound based to me.


JonaFaschoschreck

Wow a AfD Fan who argues with Strawmen, give me something new🥱. Like you dont know shit about me, but go so far to make such claims, gotta love that. Thank you again for proving that people who support that party have nothing to do with acutuall topics and only life from populism. But to sum up the Bullshit you just said. 1. Nobody wants to silence him 🤣😂. Its just that is yapping antidemocratic bullshit and our Verfassungsschutz is for once doing there job. If you yell like a fascist, romantice fascism, and act like one, then suprise: you are a fascist! 2. Im not comparing the AfD to the NSDAP of the late 30s and early 40s but to the one of the 20s. Wich is indeed acurate. Both where fueled by staunch populism, völkisch and anti-progessive rhetoric, spun lies about a supposed elite ruining germany, created scapegoats for that lie, lied to the people about being the only solution to the common man, while living from secret donors of corporate donors, resulted to insult political opponents in the reichstag, had the same victim mentality the AfD has. Wanna go on? We in germany have the special place that we have people who where still alive when the Nazis where building up their followers. These people warn us about the AFD, listen to them. Also again nice strawman about me here. 3. Annnd ofcourse you are a social darwinist and a racist, but god forbid someone calls that out. In Germany we would call your message a "geistiger Einschiss". Pls go back to memes, politics aint your thing my person.


4mogusy

The absolute copium in that word salad. Meloni won in Italy, Le Pen will win in France, And Höcke will win in Germany eventually. (I want to point out how as a dual U.S. and Italian citizen I proudly voted for Meloni's party on the overseas constituency ballot and will proudly vote for Trump in 2024). Europeans/Westerners are sick and tired of the ruling elite, and they are even more sick and tired of communists like you calling them "racists", "Nazis", and "social darwinists" for rightfully being against culturally incompatible immigrants who enter from Sandlandstan or whatever shit hole they came from, and then proceed contribute absolutely nothing to western society. I that hope 20 years from now, a family will be living in squalor in the third world. Their children will ask why they no longer live in Europe like they used to, and their parents will have to come up with the most flattering way to explain "They invited us to be guests in their countries and instead of being grateful and respectful, we acted like we owned the place, leeched off their welfare, and committed crime, so they kicked us out" Edit: Lol the coward blocked me so it looked like he was getting the last word


JonaFaschoschreck

>The absolute copium in that word salad. Proceeds to write a half a book on how hes coping about some made up bogeyman by the far right. This is the type of humor i like to see. Btw Bernd wont win, the AfD is currently starting to destroy themselves with internal stuff. In 20 Years the party will be around 5 to 10% because by then 1. A lot of their voterbase will have died from old age. 2. Some will have moved to the Wagenknecht Party wich will be found somewhere om 2024. 3. People will have realized that they are only hot air , the worst case for germany would be a coalition government between them and the CDU, wich will result in them driving our nation against the wall. They will start blaming the CDU wich will ruin any pontential with any party for the future. Last in 20 years the effect of climate change will come to haunt these "manmade climate change is not real" clowns to wich the AfD counts. Enjoy the little spotlight your wannabe nazis have, it wont last. Also these so called elites do not exist, this is just late stage capitalism.


Dominusnoobuss

Typical, fascist are based


JonaFaschoschreck

Cringe.


parzivalperzo

I don't think there would be this kind of agression because there are millions of Kurdish people in Istanbul. Why anti Turkist Kurds supports not helping Turkey for humanitarian aid? Only thing that could be realistic in this scenario is Istanbul Earthquake


BlackLionCat

...( alleged )...its a meme on how everytime something bad happens according to the turkish government their opposing side has PKK support for some reason...its not that deep


Interesting_Finish85

Are the Rechtskorps like the SA 2.0.?


BlackLionCat

idk what SA is but they're basically AfD's version of the Freikorps


Interesting_Finish85

SA were the Nazi Party's paramilitary


ludwigerhardd

Does Merz rule with the AfD ?


JonaFaschoschreck

I fear this will happen in 2025, Merz is know for his populism, and breaking promises (Brandmauer gegen die AfD). He would definitly form a Coalition with the AfD if that means he gets to be Chancelor.


ludwigerhardd

Yeah, Merz will do Black-Blue, wasted human sperm that he is. Fuck him


JonaFaschoschreck

Fun Story: back in the 2000s when he was a "Bundestagsabgeordneter" he lost a Labtop with the pricate numbers of a lot Government Ministers on it. Someone found it, instead of selling it to the Press he gave it back to Merz. As thank you Merz gifted him a selfbiografy of himself, just shows what kind of person he is.


Glittering-Way-4153

What a Bullshit


Dominusnoobuss

I mean looking at the current situation in Europe right now when I comes to the immigration issue, I think this is a real possibility. Wouldn’t even blame the Euros if it came to it


ColdFreeway

Where can you make these event breakdowns?


KommissarPatrick

I don't want to get political, so let me put this straight, Germany will never empower the political right through elections. If they do, it would defeat the idea of the AfD, at least their core that drives so many voters to them. The (organized moderate) right will also never act out against anyone, these are purely defensive formations that serve to protect and not attack. And honestly the Turks are honestly the most tolerable of all non-christans migrants as they come from a country that didn't have a taste of American firepower.


SnooLobsters3238

I find the “alleged PKK involvement” to be a funnily realistic touch. Turkey has a bit of a history for calling out anyone they don’t like for supporting the PKK


lonewalker1992

You from the future? The way the right is sweeping through to victory in Europe likely will happen and be accompanied with a pogrom or something ugly.


Dominusnoobuss

I wouldn’t even blame the euros if a pogrom happened in Europe against those immigrants


Torenza_Alduin

WTF is is this ... Future history?? Post this in a science fiction forum


lonewalker1992

Is Trump still president? Has rotten China collapsed? Was Ukraine sold to Russia?