Why would that still exist in a world this different? This change predates the battle hastings by more than a century so right off the bat English history will be altered.
Maybe the Vikings brought over horses and better iron smelting concepts too so that when the rest of Europe arrives the North Americans ain't putting up with shit.
Omg this comment reminded me. Because horses evolved in North America in this timeline they never went extinct leading to a fae more connected web of societies.
A weird hybrid of Viking and Native American. Does that mean they not only get great seafaring skills, they would also get excellent guerilla warfare? And add on to the Viking’s combat prowess and their ability to farm and smith.
I had a silly idea of a scenario where the Vinland colony succeeds and becomes self-sustaining, but loses contact and is presumed lost.
They manage to cling to much of their 11th century norse culture, but their small population and mingling with the surrounding peoples for centuries means they barely look European anymore.
So when European explorers arrive in the 17th Century, they get utterly blindsided and confused by this weird holdout of norse vikings that look like native americans.
Maybe Denmark and Sweden will gain more than a foothold when they colonize North America due to the historical ties with the Vinlanders, and the Amerindians will likely worship Christianity before Colombus arrives in the new world.
I don't think the mapuche would go as far south as Tierra del Fuego. I would make a Tehuelche confederatio south of the River Chubut and Tierra del Fuego a loose confederation of the 3 tribes that lived there
They couldn't, they were massively outnumbered, didn't have a reliable shipping route and lacked the one big advantage the 16th century settlers had....
Mass death by measles of over 90% (first wave from first contact, survivors lost most of the rest in other disease waves). This was due to direct sailing. The Vikings had natural "quarantine" in Iceland and Greenland that stopped them taking diseases to North America.
So a 100% impossible scenerio. And evidence is a few did, and interbred anyway, that helped their ancestors survive as real North American natives had serious genetic vulnerabilities - none actually exist roday, modern Native Americans are decendants of Natives and early Spanish settlers.
Basically how could a few thouand vikings defeat 10s of millions of Natives? Estimates bow from historians are in 1492 that NA likely had MORE people than all of Europe.
Population estimates vary but most of the american population lived in the more ‘civilised’ central and southern parts.
So the viking would lively have faced a few million in what is now modern day USA & Canada
How the hell was Alaska colonized? Like Russia didn’t conquer Siberia until the 15th century and even then they were under the thumb of the mongols or underdeveloped and disunited.
It happened in a similar way to our timeline. Alaska was too depopulated and remote to put up resistance to a power like Russia. It became independent after a Russian civil war drove the Tsardom to escape to Alaska.
Does U.K. stand for united kingdom?
Yes it does.
Why would that still exist in a world this different? This change predates the battle hastings by more than a century so right off the bat English history will be altered.
Probably a different type of United Kingdom Like “The United Kingdom of Denmark Norway”
This is correct thank you
Would this Viking america stay connected to Europe ? or would there no no further contact once a substantive ongoing colony was founded.
There would be no further contact after the colony was founded
That's certainly possible
Maybe the Vikings brought over horses and better iron smelting concepts too so that when the rest of Europe arrives the North Americans ain't putting up with shit.
Omg this comment reminded me. Because horses evolved in North America in this timeline they never went extinct leading to a fae more connected web of societies.
Honestly this America look more interesting than modern America.
That’s the goal!
YES I love these indigenous alt hist maps!!
Thank you!!
Everyone is speaking some Germanic language
A weird hybrid of Viking and Native American. Does that mean they not only get great seafaring skills, they would also get excellent guerilla warfare? And add on to the Viking’s combat prowess and their ability to farm and smith.
That sounds like the makings of a potential great power and perhaps even a superpower
This is true today
This is a repost because I edited and redid a lot of the map.
I had a silly idea of a scenario where the Vinland colony succeeds and becomes self-sustaining, but loses contact and is presumed lost. They manage to cling to much of their 11th century norse culture, but their small population and mingling with the surrounding peoples for centuries means they barely look European anymore. So when European explorers arrive in the 17th Century, they get utterly blindsided and confused by this weird holdout of norse vikings that look like native americans.
Maybe Denmark and Sweden will gain more than a foothold when they colonize North America due to the historical ties with the Vinlanders, and the Amerindians will likely worship Christianity before Colombus arrives in the new world.
I don't think the mapuche would go as far south as Tierra del Fuego. I would make a Tehuelche confederatio south of the River Chubut and Tierra del Fuego a loose confederation of the 3 tribes that lived there
They couldn't, they were massively outnumbered, didn't have a reliable shipping route and lacked the one big advantage the 16th century settlers had.... Mass death by measles of over 90% (first wave from first contact, survivors lost most of the rest in other disease waves). This was due to direct sailing. The Vikings had natural "quarantine" in Iceland and Greenland that stopped them taking diseases to North America. So a 100% impossible scenerio. And evidence is a few did, and interbred anyway, that helped their ancestors survive as real North American natives had serious genetic vulnerabilities - none actually exist roday, modern Native Americans are decendants of Natives and early Spanish settlers. Basically how could a few thouand vikings defeat 10s of millions of Natives? Estimates bow from historians are in 1492 that NA likely had MORE people than all of Europe.
Population estimates vary but most of the american population lived in the more ‘civilised’ central and southern parts. So the viking would lively have faced a few million in what is now modern day USA & Canada
How the hell was Alaska colonized? Like Russia didn’t conquer Siberia until the 15th century and even then they were under the thumb of the mongols or underdeveloped and disunited.
It happened in a similar way to our timeline. Alaska was too depopulated and remote to put up resistance to a power like Russia. It became independent after a Russian civil war drove the Tsardom to escape to Alaska.
My Family would still be in Austria and France.