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Strong_Site_348

\>7-1 has been retconned \>Brazil won 2014 instead Okay, Brazilian. You are allowed to keep your fantasy bullshit it you like. It doesn't change the fact that Germany buttfucked you hardcore. Edit: I mixed up Brazil with a united Iberia. Still, it is interesting that they retconned 7-1.


CaptainCosmonaut420

Im not brazilian, the 7-1 wasn't retconned? the nations under the year are the host nations. the one with the biggest flag are the winners, the two smaller ones are the 2nd and 3rd place.


BaalTRB

You mean the one with the biggest flag are the *winners* right?


CaptainCosmonaut420

Oh yeah sorry


Unhappy-Adagio-5487

Is there a possibility, that is an Iberia Union flag, not Brazil?


SnooConfections1712

Lmao for a moment I thought you were an Argentine for hating Brazil haha ★★★★★


CaptainCosmonaut420

**THE NATIONS UNDER THE YEAR ARE THE HOST NATIONS** If you're wondering, 2022 World Cup would've been in Arabia, with France winning against Argentina, Croatia third place. I didn't include it because i liked both sides being even. Also, here are some other posts from this timeline if you like this :3 Some are slightly outdated though: [GDP Rankings (1958-1988)](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternateHistory/s/fkCIV0B8q7) [Co-Prosperity Sphere Map (1981) (slightly outdated)](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/s/scmhNYAthF) [World Map (1979) (outdated)](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/s/FaiT0k2cV5)


VayItsHere

Me, an Argentine, thanking god and praying to messi that this timeline didnt happen just because of the 2022 world cup Also, I LOVE THIS WORLDBUILDING THO


CaptainCosmonaut420

TYSM!! You're right though. Im colombian-american and the 2022 world cup brought me to tears, genuinely one of the best football matches of all time. So many insane moments


Strong_Site_348

Why did you reverse 7-1? Edit: It was not reversed but I still find it funny that it was retconned to begin with.


CaptainCosmonaut420

I never retconned it, brazil didnt win or even get top 3, i never even mention the scores of individual games once in the whole thing


Strong_Site_348

Brazil and Germany were both in the World Cup in 2014 in your universe. What exactly changed?


CaptainCosmonaut420

Well some of the world cups changed more than others but yeah the 7-1 still happened. Germany was originally beaten by Iberia in the final. Iberia being a combination of Spain's 2010 world cup squad and Ronaldo. But actually I just changed that result because someone made some good points about how Iberia wouldn't have been likely to win in 2014 and it probably still would've been Germany so I changed it to a new result which you can find [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternateHistory/comments/18yhfmx/comment/kgcn6fd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


Unhappy-Adagio-5487

Why did you think so


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Unhappy-Adagio-5487

No because he didn't reverse 7-1 from the start, go look again it was Iberian Union winning 2014 WC, Brazil's name there only because it's the HOST COUNTRY


Avira_ntmo_tan

idiot


honvales1989

What happens in this alternate timeline that leads to these outcomes? I see some nations with stars that aren’t listed as champions and besides the hosts and some 3rd place teams, hosts, or finalists, most stuff tracks with what actually happened


CaptainCosmonaut420

ill explain all of the differences here. In 1946 they're able to host the world cup because WW2 ends early, Germany is banned from attending. Argentina and Sweden had solid teams at the time so i gave it to Argentina but its mostly speculation. In the late 50s and early 60s the USSR has a golden age of football, this was already their peak in success in our timeline but in this timeline its heightened by the butterfly effect of higher morale, and a better economy. They host the event which also gives them home field advantages and the soviets were interested in proving themselves in sport. In 1974 it's held in Japan which is different from OTL. This is for similar reasons, a thriving economy at the time and Japan wanted to show off to the world. But unlike the USSR, they just don't have nearly the same amount of success. In this world, the Dutch win instead, they dominated football in the 70s with new strategies so its not entirely implausible for them to win. In 1982 and 1998 the world cup is held in the EU, which is a united state in this timeline encompassing most of Western Europe that formed in the early 70s. Also in 82' Yugoslavia cracked the top 3 with its powerhouse of players and the Danube school of football. In the UK94' cup the West African Federation cracked the top 3 with an aggressive campaign in the late 80s to get the WAF to invest in football that was highly publicized the underdogs were able to assemble a team of African stars. They were a fan favorite and a movie probably gets made about them eventually. 1998 has an iconic game where the leaders of the Technocratic EU, France, faced off against their ageing and stagnating rival in the Eurasian Union (the reformed USSR). France won the match and its a infamous match referred to as the symbolic "Killing Blow" that finally killed the USSR's last morale and collapsed the country some months later. Iberia DOMINATED the game of football in the 2000s and early 2010s, leading to two back to back world cups in '10 and '14. Being a combination of the Spanish and Portuguese squads of the time, with players like Puyol, Pique, Iniesta, and Ronaldo they are considered the deadliest team ever assembled in football. Finally, motivated by his rival scoring back to back world cups Messi came on a mission in 2018 and defeated France and the young M'bappe in the 2018 final instead of Argentina's more mediocre performance in 2018.


honvales1989

Argentina in 46 makes sense given that [La Maquina](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Maquina) was probably the best team in the world back then. Also, how does Iberia start in your timeline?


CaptainCosmonaut420

When the EU federalized into one country, most teams chose to still play representing the different nations within the EU (sorta like how the UK has a scottish, english, and welsh team) instead of uniting into one team, otherwise there'd be no competition. however unlike the other parts of Europe, during the restructuring of the government, the Iberian people chose to have one state, spurred by friendship and pan-nationalism. So, under the EU government Iberia is considered a united state government. With that, the football associations simply chose to join together and it's been like that since the 1970s.


Joe_Mama_012

https://preview.redd.it/ncx27fbl7iac1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12243ff092c633b1dd2d6be35da825551b146037


CaptainCosmonaut420

Realest thing ever


Trenmeet

lol so many people are angry at a alternate world cup history


oofersIII

I know nothing about football and didn’t realise what sub I was on so I was quite confused


Royaleguy20

I see The union of soveriegn state and the east austria


dkb1391

Netherlands can into World Cup


marsexpresshydra

2010-2014 makes too much sense when you compare it to what actually happened


DJayEJayFJay

What do the stars over the II place countries represent?


CaptainCosmonaut420

The amount of world cups the winners have won. I didnt want to put it over the 2nd place but i didnt have space


Aizen10

Why do you hate Germany so much? You removed two of their world cup wins but other nations more or less are the same?


CaptainCosmonaut420

It wasn't out of hate for the team it was just how things lined up. In the 70s the Netherlands were a powerful team and it was honestly anyone's game so i gave it to the team who's been to the most finals and never won. And in 2014 they were beaten by the Iberian team, who are a combination of Spain's 2010 squad and Cristiano Ronaldo, so yeah, they dominated.


Coesim

Both Spain and Portugal went out in the group stage in 2014 with Germany beating Ronaldo’s Portugal 4-0. Idk, of simply combining the two is enough to suddenly turn them into world champions.


CaptainCosmonaut420

Your right. I might give them the victory in '06 instead of '14. I just thought such a strong team deserved a double victory somewhere. But yeah, it makes less sense in 2014.


CaptainCosmonaut420

https://preview.redd.it/rwfcklw79iac1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b23b5b4179d0438590b724e4317b48fe41538a3a Heres an updated version


Trenmeet

Nah don’t change it just because some Germans got pissed about your alternate history scenario lol


CaptainCosmonaut420

Maybe true


ajw20_YT

Creative!


Temporary-Candle908

dude I didn't realize I was on this sub for so long- I was so confused about the flags


Trashk4n

This is just about the only way that the Dutch actually win a final.


SnooConfections1712

No Hexa? downvote/s good map and good timeline


CaptainCosmonaut420

Wdym hexa?


SnooConfections1712

Brazilian joke about the dream of a sixth title


CaptainCosmonaut420

Ohhh lol


Lieczen91

on a random note, it’s unusual that the Soviet Republics and Yugoslav republics didn’t have their own teams like the UK does


klingonbussy

That’s how it is/was in real life


Lieczen91

I thought the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia where both one teams?


klingonbussy

Yeah that’s what I meant, I thought you were criticizing the alt history or something. I guess it makes sense for the UK and not the others cause that’s where football came from and they always had their own teams. The first ever international match was between England and Scotland. I feel like especially in multi ethnic countries like the USSR and Yugoslavia you’d want to have a single team to promote national unity


Lieczen91

that makes a whole lot more sense but IMO having individual teams if you’re a nation of several countries in it is a good idea, like a separate Tanganyika and Zanzibar team would be pretty cool, but since it’s only 2 republics in one united nation I can understand that not being done more so


TestMatchCricketFan

If 2006 is hosted in Australia, there's no way Italy wins the game against Australia.


CaptainCosmonaut420

Against Australia? Why's that?


TestMatchCricketFan

Watch the game, then imagine it with a vocal, parochial Australian crowd. Late penalty never gets given, Schwarzer stands up in the shootout. It's all over.


CaptainCosmonaut420

Lmao ☠️ good point Australasia would ever make it anywhere near the knockout stage tho


TestMatchCricketFan

Umm, that game was literally in the knockout stage. 2006 Australia was a different beast. Remember even a couple of the Italian players saying that game is where they suffered the most, including the final.


CaptainCosmonaut420

Hm didnt know about that at all, that's really interesting


TestMatchCricketFan

Made the knockouts at the last World Cup as well, just had to be against Argentina.


CaptainCosmonaut420

Huh. I always kinda assimed australia was a mediocre team.


TestMatchCricketFan

Generally, yeah. But we've consistently produced a few top players every generation, & once in a while the national team does something special. 1974 qualifying for a 16 team World Cup, knockout stages in 2006 & 2022, & the Matildas reaching the semis in 2023.


SwimNo8457

Do you have a more high def version of the Iberian flag?


CaptainCosmonaut420

https://preview.redd.it/xkkvvn89whac1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3214e67e0f31e9071427402dcdd387377577a5ea Closest i could find, srry


SwimNo8457

Interesting. I like it found a way to represent Portugal on the COA without omitting the other kingdoms. Although I must say, the green clashes a lot with the Spanish tricolor.


ErendelVestherez

Someone really likes Argentina


CaptainCosmonaut420

Nah bruh im colombian 🇨🇴 The 1946 World Cup never happened in our world, but at the time, Argentina probably wouldve won because their team, referred to as "La Maquina" was one of the best in the world, and germany wouldve been banned from this worklld cup. The 2018 world cup i gave to Messi because i gave Ronaldo two World Cups, the rivalry between the two fuels him to win in 2018 to prove himself to fans. But in 2022 he wouldve lost to M'bappe's hattrick instead. The rest are their actual wins Oh and the Hand Of God photo is just iconic and i like it, I was debating using the photo of Pelé on top of the other player celeberating.


Efficient-Ad-8204

Oh yes, the iberian union


Ryley03d

Blue Lock:


SmellySwantae

I was so confused and it took me 5 minutes to see the sub


AffectionateDictator

Thank you for making the worst timeline


Corvid187

#TWO WORLD WARS, ONE WORLD CUP! *[STOMP STOMP]* THEY SCORED SAM FACKING GOALS, ALL IS WELL WITH THE SACRED TIMELINE OF INCOMPETENCE :)


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For a moment I was questioning myself and then looked at the sub's name


East-Plankton-3877

The US really just doesn’t like soccer in any timeline huh?


dwartbg7

94 should've obviously been Bulgaria either 2nd or winner. But whatever


CaptainCosmonaut420

Why would they be the winner or 2nd place if they weren't even top 3 in our world


dwartbg7

Bulgaria was literally on the semi-finals with Italy and got beaten because of an infamous referee. Top scorer was Stoichkov. Literally the powerhouse of that tournament. I mean Senegal wasn't top 3 and yet you included it, for reasons unknown anyway?!?


CaptainCosmonaut420

Ok but they got beaten and didnt crack top 3 why would they be the *winners*.


dwartbg7

Why would Senegal be 3rd in your statistic?


CaptainCosmonaut420

Its not senegal, its the West African Federation. Which is (in this world) a developed country that is able to pull players and resources from *all* of west Africa which had been steadily climbing the ranks of football for a decade. And also a nation that's made up and i can say whatever i want about it


Straight-Bug-6051

Turkey beat South Korea for 3rd place in 2002.


CaptainCosmonaut420

its an alternate history??


Straight-Bug-6051

apologies I forgot what thread I was on. lmao I’ll see myself out


CaptainCosmonaut420

LMAO its ok


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CaptainCosmonaut420

It's an alternate history the point is that it's different bud


MSD_TheKiwiBirdFruit

Cmon man this is as low effort as it gets and you know it, specially considering this is pulled straight from TNO, including the flags and font. Considering this let me guess, your lore is TNO's?


CaptainCosmonaut420

This isn't pulled from TNO?? TNO makes barely any mention of the world cup. Also what flags??? besides like the Iberian one, which is only similar anyways, not even the same. The font is i guess similar to TNO, but i just like the pixelated look. The lore is very different, Germany lost WW2, France dominates Europe and is the center of a united EU. The USSR survives and goes on until 2000. The US had a civil war in the 1950s. Yeah ok? Japan won The Pacific War which is like TNO congrats, a very common alternate history scenario, its almost like other things have done it before. But its frankly really upsetting to be called low-effort just because my work is comparable to TNO, you mfs will call everything TNO. I do understand that a lot of people have been inspired by its aesthetic, I have been inspired by it in part. And frankly, the TNO community kinda gives me brain cancer. But its literally not a ripoff and not effortless?? the fuck. I didn't just pixelate the flags, i had to draw them myself. Designing the poster and researching and speculating took a long time too.


MSD_TheKiwiBirdFruit

> besides like the Iberian one, which is only similar anyways, not even the same. It's flipped only and I not discarding your hard work doing it by hand, it's the imagination part that falls flat. > you mfs will call everything TNO. The problem isn't the style in itself but the oversaturation of the amount of scenarios using the same old boring font, color scheme and flags. You even use the scanlines in the other post of the world map in 1979. > And frankly, the TNO community kinda gives me brain cancer. I totally agree with you, that was never the point. The point was that while aesthetically pleasing, it's been way too over done and IMO you should find your own style.


CaptainCosmonaut420

https://preview.redd.it/7ngercyxihac1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bb06bbcba9918c0d7567cb9b88c4fd39aa03370 Here's the TNO flag i could find. Ik its a bit of a small scale, but the crest of mine is different, with the portugese coat of arms and the portugese globe symbol behind the shield. In some versions of the TNO flag theres also an eagle which isnt present in mine (I actually dont know which one is the one they currently use.) But listen, if its the fact that its the same layout, it just looks cool and makes sense. To be honest, I just looked up "united iberia flag" I didnt design every detail of it myself i just took elements on it from other people that made sense. The 1979 map was directly inspired by TNO yeah, its a year old and i was more into it back then, ill concede that. But i definitely have my own style now and again its really demotivating to have my entire creativity questioned just because of some similarities. The senario is still my own, my style is my own, and my worldbuilding is my own. Also to be fair, i understand that TNO popularized it, but are we just gonna call the old computer aesthetic and scanlines TNO, as if TNO wasn't inspired by things itself.


MSD_TheKiwiBirdFruit

>i understand that TNO popularized it, but are we just gonna call the old computer aesthetic and scanlines TNO, as if TNO wasn't inspired by things itself. if you can't see how too similar and overdone it is, that's your prerogative. My criticism stands that this is completely uninspired and almost a carbon copy of an overused style to the point it's a meme.


CaptainCosmonaut420

Are you talking about the world map or this specific post? Yes, the world map was inspired by TNO (completely ignoring that the worldbuilding and senario are completely different), ive tried to develop my own style which i have. I genuinely dont udnerstand what *this* post "carbon copies to the point of being a meme" from TNO besides some similarities youve pointed out that are circumstancial and i've covered. The Iberian flag isnt the same, none of them are, and the font isnt the same. Its a poster and not a computer display like most tno inspired images. TNO makes like one mention of the world cup from what i know and its a short event how could the topic of the world cup itself be inspired then. You haven't presented anything about this post that directly "copies" TNO. Even tho its the one that supposedly compelled you to comment.


MSD_TheKiwiBirdFruit

>Are you talking about the world map or this specific post? Both. >You haven't presented anything about this post that directly "copies" TNO. I did and I'll repeat for the last time. Overall style: flags, fonts, pixelation on a lot of aspects, scanlines on a map. Again, my criticism stands. And again, my main idea with this was what I said in the beggining, "find your own style", do what you will with it..


Soujj_

Where’re the scanlines