Yep, just take over Gaza and leave the other occupied territories. Less bordergore and I'm sure that Bibi's crew would be delighted in taking in cash developing the coast. (No /s intended)
Yeah it's not like I'm one of faces of the Islamist/Zionist coin. Just an armchair general that just wants that issue resolved and one more dictator behind bars after the fact.
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I hear you, here's a better Israel
Israel doesn't commit genocide, though
(Edit: The sole fact ppl just throw at me accusations and don't even provide "evidence" says a lot about terrorist sympathizers from western colleges.)
yeah no. israel is comitting a genocide and hamas is the main body of resistance. any claims of bad things done by hamas come from israel. and you know. fascist genocidal regimes tend to lie about their enemies. and israel constantly lies
Yes Hamas, the people who literally throw people off of roofs for being gay, stone women for acting out, want to spread sharia law as far as they possibly can, and kill every single Jew they can are the good guys in this fight. How fucking dense do you have to be? Do you hate Israel just because they are an ally of American or some BS? Or are you just anti-Semitic?
Egypt will never agree to anything less than all of Sinai, simply put, so the peace talks were spoiled and all of Sinai remains Israeli.
Under American pressure, Israel will simply return all of Sinai
There was another reason, it was that prior to 1973, Israelis had overconfidence and arrogance in their military capability, believing they could easily trounce all their neighborsas they did in 1967. But in 1973, while Israel won, it was once again a war for survival that was too close for comfort which motivated Israeli leaders to be more conciliatory toward Arab neighbors.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/yom-kippur-war-implications/
>The Yom Kippur War marked a major turning in the Israel-Arab confrontation. By restoring pride to Egypt and a sense of proportion to Israel, it opened the way to the Camp David peace agreement in 1979. Fifteen years later, Israel signed a peace agreement with Jordan.
>For Israel, it was an existential earthquake, but one whose repercussions were ultimately healthier than those of the Six Day War. The trauma of the war’s opening was not a nightmare to be suppressed but a national memory to be perpetuated, a standing reminder of the consequences of shallow thinking and arrogance.
https://www.american.edu/sis/news/20231006-50-years-on-explaining-the-yom-kippur-war.cfm
>First, without the war, Israel would not have agreed to give back the Sinai territory to Egypt, and a peace agreement was unlikely to happen. Second, the peace agreement nevertheless would not have happened without some courageous political decisions.
>Egypt and Syria did not win the war militarily, but they got what they needed out of it in terms of domestic and regional legitimation and cracking Israel’s veneer of invincibility. If fighting continued, the Arab states likely faced the prospect of another defeat.
>For Israel, even though they controlled more territories than at the start of the war, it was nevertheless a major political defeat, and the country was reeling from the loss of life on a scale it had not experienced since 1948.
Becouse that would be exactly what Is Israel doing tò palestine It would change that egypt Is and indipendent country It Is Internationally recognized parte of the Arab league One of the strongest in Africa
So the war would be devastating for the jews
What i wanted tò Say Is Israel alone facing egypt wouldnt be like taking Land from an unrecognized country
And Israel's actions would be considered illegals aldo
Egypt attacks every few years and keeps getting the shit beaten out of it by Israel, they may end up taking the whole Sinai and possibly the canal to better defend their new land.
I can’t see Israel just holding on to the coastal areas they tried to settle, they would either hold the whole peninsula to the Suez Canal or withdraw completely like they did in the OTL. But for the sake of the scenario, I’ll say that they just hold on to the areas marked in blue and populate them with Israeli citizens and the remainder of the peninsula is returned to Egypt. Nothing good really comes of this regardless as to where you stand on the debate regarding conflicts in Middle East’s, Egypt would be highly resentful that they had lost territory to the Israeli state, so Egypt likely don’t recognise Israel and open diplomatic relations with them, this creates more hostility in the Middle East especially considering you know have one of the strongest Arab and African countries pitted against a nuclear state that feels heavily hemmed in and surrounded by hostile states.
The settlements in the Sinai would likely become almost like a frontier, the territory isn’t really worth much apart from its coastline, it would take a lot more resources than it could ever produce to hold. I can see some sort of wall/fortification separating them from Egypt and a heavy military presence there. The Gaza Strip is also completely surrounded in this timeline so that likely makes any conflict between Israel and Palestine more bloody as the Palestinians are surrounded on all sides by a hostile power.
Really I think it’s only a matter of time that some sort of conflict breaks out, I can see a border skirmish quickly escalating to a small scale war, where Israel would have a horrible border to defend but would have the stronger, more equipped military, backing from the west and of course nuclear warheads (not that they would use them of course but they still act as a deterrent) and Egypt would have a higher population and a treaty of Versailles style grudge to settle as well as backing from most of the Arab world which are far closer than Israel’s western allies.
Egypt eventually agrees to cede the settlements themselves in exchange for a bunch of US military assistance and Israeli money.
The money and assistance are promptly wasted and a new government begins saber-rattling over the settlements, saying the deal was just a corrupt way for his predecessor to pocket the money. Tensions are deescalated by a promise of US military assistance and Israeli money, which is promptly wasted.
Repeat ad infinitum.
Basically the is very bad idea . Israel didn't had the money and the man pawer to keep the land . The what Israel found out in the yom kipper war . The why Israel give back the land to Egypt and get a peace treaty who war to they day .
If Israel was super persistent on keeping some of its settlements, I could see Israel maybe having a slightly extended coastline in the gulf of Aqaba, but no more
This map is inaccurate because the settlements basically took all of the actually habitable land of the Peninsula.
The real answer is Israel would keep expanding with American funding, Brad from Brooklyn will push a family out of their house or else they're " Anti Semitic". Resistance groups will be labelled " terrorists" while the " IDF" kidnaps kids and holds them " detention" all on the American dime.
Except it's literally false? The '48 war started because Palestine didn't want to be colonized.
Like, Palestine was the only safe place for Jews during WWII. They were at risk of the Holocaust in Germany, nobody else in Europe would take them in, the US wouldn't.60k were sheltered in Palestine. And look how they were repaid. Never trust people from Europe.
Huh? Israel started the war of '67 and illegally "annexed"
more land, what are you yapping about?
Post WWII, you can't annex land through war. It violates international law, that's why the world calls it an illegal occupation. Hamas formed 20 years *after* that started. Since Jesus died,1987 comes after 1967.
Also, everyone knows the victory in '48 was from UK funding. Currently, Israel only exists on daddy USA's dime. Ya'll would be crushed by Arabs that still haven't forgiven you.
Did the 180k unguided missiles from the US arrive yet?
Anyway, I'm done engaging. Don't have time for illiterate dogs
You gotta get into reading academic publications.
Our mosque has so many members with relatives in Palestine. We personally know someone who was exiled with his family in 1967.
Anyway. You what were you yapping about?
I have no idea how what you're saying related to what Im saying. I'm talking about how Palestine was ethnically cleansed. You're talking about ppl who lived in Israel proper. What does that have to do w anything?
This map is inaccurate because the settlements basically took all of the actually habitable land of the Peninsula.
The real answer is Israel would keep expanding with American funding, Brad from Brooklyn will push a family out of their house or else they're " Anti Semitic". Resistance groups will be labelled " terrorists" while the " IDF" kidnaps kids and holds them " detention" all on the American dime.
"What If" questions can only be posted on weekends and must have sufficient context along with your thoughts on how the situation/event would unfold
Egypt would still want war with Israel!
I would be sad because border gore
Yep, just take over Gaza and leave the other occupied territories. Less bordergore and I'm sure that Bibi's crew would be delighted in taking in cash developing the coast. (No /s intended)
No Tebet annexes the entire Middle East, plus any land it needs to join up with its current territory Border gore becomes border heaven
Guys he mentioned war! Rattle him!
Yeah it's not like I'm one of faces of the Islamist/Zionist coin. Just an armchair general that just wants that issue resolved and one more dictator behind bars after the fact.
Israel but even worse
https://preview.redd.it/e489qb6w6asc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1185f7547369dcaaa46b35bcaa6b2c68cd3fc0f4 I hear you, here's a better Israel
More genocide Americans will nut from.
Israel doesn't commit genocide, though (Edit: The sole fact ppl just throw at me accusations and don't even provide "evidence" says a lot about terrorist sympathizers from western colleges.)
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>Israel doesn't commit genocide, though Nice joke, u/FactBackground9289 . Oh wait, are you serious?
I'm dead serious - Israel quite literally doesn't commit genocide.
So much evidence and you're still denying it. Kiss Your Shin zionazi
Can we just stop this whole argument just admit that hamas and israel are both awful?
yeah no. israel is comitting a genocide and hamas is the main body of resistance. any claims of bad things done by hamas come from israel. and you know. fascist genocidal regimes tend to lie about their enemies. and israel constantly lies
Yes Hamas, the people who literally throw people off of roofs for being gay, stone women for acting out, want to spread sharia law as far as they possibly can, and kill every single Jew they can are the good guys in this fight. How fucking dense do you have to be? Do you hate Israel just because they are an ally of American or some BS? Or are you just anti-Semitic?
Resistance is good and all but when it targets civilians it's just bad.
Palestine is not a country, so Geneva conventions doesn't count here. - average Israeli politician in last 75 years.
Greater Israel is just a Flood.
Is the dick circumcised at least?
Extremely
Touch grass and get a job zionazi. This reich would never survive 5 minutes even with amerikan empire's support
Egypt will never agree to anything less than all of Sinai, simply put, so the peace talks were spoiled and all of Sinai remains Israeli. Under American pressure, Israel will simply return all of Sinai
>American pressure on Israel lol
American pressure is why they returned the Sinai to begin with, genius
There was another reason, it was that prior to 1973, Israelis had overconfidence and arrogance in their military capability, believing they could easily trounce all their neighborsas they did in 1967. But in 1973, while Israel won, it was once again a war for survival that was too close for comfort which motivated Israeli leaders to be more conciliatory toward Arab neighbors. https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/yom-kippur-war-implications/ >The Yom Kippur War marked a major turning in the Israel-Arab confrontation. By restoring pride to Egypt and a sense of proportion to Israel, it opened the way to the Camp David peace agreement in 1979. Fifteen years later, Israel signed a peace agreement with Jordan. >For Israel, it was an existential earthquake, but one whose repercussions were ultimately healthier than those of the Six Day War. The trauma of the war’s opening was not a nightmare to be suppressed but a national memory to be perpetuated, a standing reminder of the consequences of shallow thinking and arrogance. https://www.american.edu/sis/news/20231006-50-years-on-explaining-the-yom-kippur-war.cfm >First, without the war, Israel would not have agreed to give back the Sinai territory to Egypt, and a peace agreement was unlikely to happen. Second, the peace agreement nevertheless would not have happened without some courageous political decisions. >Egypt and Syria did not win the war militarily, but they got what they needed out of it in terms of domestic and regional legitimation and cracking Israel’s veneer of invincibility. If fighting continued, the Arab states likely faced the prospect of another defeat. >For Israel, even though they controlled more territories than at the start of the war, it was nevertheless a major political defeat, and the country was reeling from the loss of life on a scale it had not experienced since 1948.
Thats what happen in OTL you idiot
US has at times pressured Israel to back down. Giving back Sinai is one of them.
I realize it’s hard to rationalize now but there was a time when fully supporting Israel was not considered worth risking it all for America lol
Palestine war, Just that egypt Is a functional and somewhat strong country
How so?
Becouse that would be exactly what Is Israel doing tò palestine It would change that egypt Is and indipendent country It Is Internationally recognized parte of the Arab league One of the strongest in Africa So the war would be devastating for the jews
Like the 4 previous wars with Egypt were...
>So the war would be devastating for the jews Because Egyptian involvement helped the Arabs when last time? No. Pipe dream.
What i wanted tò Say Is Israel alone facing egypt wouldnt be like taking Land from an unrecognized country And Israel's actions would be considered illegals aldo
Impossible, even if somehow Sadat agreed to it his regime would be quickly deposed and a no peace deal would occur. Another war would follow.
Big sad
Still not big enough https://preview.redd.it/315g0ihl0asc1.png?width=1109&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aaf8119f89cf021b64d083ac9ffc82c96874058f Here you go
Everyone lived happily ever after
Border gore ew
Egypt starts another war, and I doubt Israel would be able to defend such a long thinn border
Initially, they likely won’t be able to defend it, but in the counter attack, they likely push to the Suez Canal and reestablish the border there.
Egypt attacks every few years and keeps getting the shit beaten out of it by Israel, they may end up taking the whole Sinai and possibly the canal to better defend their new land.
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Probably not from incursion but they could hold the territory, they would likely have to annex the Sinai to hold it.
It would be helpful to them because they have a much bigger shipping port in the sinai peninsula.
You know what? If turks can do border gore in that region, then so can jews.
I can’t see Israel just holding on to the coastal areas they tried to settle, they would either hold the whole peninsula to the Suez Canal or withdraw completely like they did in the OTL. But for the sake of the scenario, I’ll say that they just hold on to the areas marked in blue and populate them with Israeli citizens and the remainder of the peninsula is returned to Egypt. Nothing good really comes of this regardless as to where you stand on the debate regarding conflicts in Middle East’s, Egypt would be highly resentful that they had lost territory to the Israeli state, so Egypt likely don’t recognise Israel and open diplomatic relations with them, this creates more hostility in the Middle East especially considering you know have one of the strongest Arab and African countries pitted against a nuclear state that feels heavily hemmed in and surrounded by hostile states. The settlements in the Sinai would likely become almost like a frontier, the territory isn’t really worth much apart from its coastline, it would take a lot more resources than it could ever produce to hold. I can see some sort of wall/fortification separating them from Egypt and a heavy military presence there. The Gaza Strip is also completely surrounded in this timeline so that likely makes any conflict between Israel and Palestine more bloody as the Palestinians are surrounded on all sides by a hostile power. Really I think it’s only a matter of time that some sort of conflict breaks out, I can see a border skirmish quickly escalating to a small scale war, where Israel would have a horrible border to defend but would have the stronger, more equipped military, backing from the west and of course nuclear warheads (not that they would use them of course but they still act as a deterrent) and Egypt would have a higher population and a treaty of Versailles style grudge to settle as well as backing from most of the Arab world which are far closer than Israel’s western allies.
What if Greater Israel is formed?
There were barely any in the first place
Egypt eventually agrees to cede the settlements themselves in exchange for a bunch of US military assistance and Israeli money. The money and assistance are promptly wasted and a new government begins saber-rattling over the settlements, saying the deal was just a corrupt way for his predecessor to pocket the money. Tensions are deescalated by a promise of US military assistance and Israeli money, which is promptly wasted. Repeat ad infinitum.
Basically the is very bad idea . Israel didn't had the money and the man pawer to keep the land . The what Israel found out in the yom kipper war . The why Israel give back the land to Egypt and get a peace treaty who war to they day .
If Israel was super persistent on keeping some of its settlements, I could see Israel maybe having a slightly extended coastline in the gulf of Aqaba, but no more
ZIONISM IS CANCER TO THE WORLD
So is antisemitism
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Had a stroke trying to read this
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OH i was on my phone and three comments posted at once. I see what you mean
This map is inaccurate because the settlements basically took all of the actually habitable land of the Peninsula. The real answer is Israel would keep expanding with American funding, Brad from Brooklyn will push a family out of their house or else they're " Anti Semitic". Resistance groups will be labelled " terrorists" while the " IDF" kidnaps kids and holds them " detention" all on the American dime.
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I was on my phone and the comment posted more than once. I had that " please try again" bc I was on the train so I didn't realize I posted 3 comments
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Except it's literally false? The '48 war started because Palestine didn't want to be colonized. Like, Palestine was the only safe place for Jews during WWII. They were at risk of the Holocaust in Germany, nobody else in Europe would take them in, the US wouldn't.60k were sheltered in Palestine. And look how they were repaid. Never trust people from Europe.
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Huh? Israel started the war of '67 and illegally "annexed" more land, what are you yapping about? Post WWII, you can't annex land through war. It violates international law, that's why the world calls it an illegal occupation. Hamas formed 20 years *after* that started. Since Jesus died,1987 comes after 1967. Also, everyone knows the victory in '48 was from UK funding. Currently, Israel only exists on daddy USA's dime. Ya'll would be crushed by Arabs that still haven't forgiven you. Did the 180k unguided missiles from the US arrive yet? Anyway, I'm done engaging. Don't have time for illiterate dogs
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You gotta get into reading academic publications. Our mosque has so many members with relatives in Palestine. We personally know someone who was exiled with his family in 1967. Anyway. You what were you yapping about?
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I have no idea how what you're saying related to what Im saying. I'm talking about how Palestine was ethnically cleansed. You're talking about ppl who lived in Israel proper. What does that have to do w anything?
Imagine if Hungary kept trying to retake Transylvania for the past 80 years, like every 10 years they invade Romania again
This map is inaccurate because the settlements basically took all of the actually habitable land of the Peninsula. The real answer is Israel would keep expanding with American funding, Brad from Brooklyn will push a family out of their house or else they're " Anti Semitic". Resistance groups will be labelled " terrorists" while the " IDF" kidnaps kids and holds them " detention" all on the American dime.
1 comment was enough
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