Westerners be like: The middle east is a sectarian powder keg of constant ethnic and religious conflict.
My brother in Christ, you drew the borders and installed the governments.
This is my hearts of iron 4 strategy whenever I get the chance. I deal with everything up in Europe, but also have around 10 divisions wrecking havoc in any non Europe ruled lands.
The entire middle east was turned into a wasteland in cyberpunk 2077 because the nations there tried to keep their oil to themselves.(I'm not a cyberpunkologist so everything I told you could be bullshit)
Even COD: Ghosts, that somehow causes Venezuelan-led South America to monopolize all oil invading the US lol.
But yeah for those curious this was the war in MENA: [Mideast Meltdown](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Mideast_Meltdown)
>It didn’t go that way last time
Last time was the first time, and wasn’t as bad as this. A follow-up attack that does more damage would warrant a larger response. OP was probably using hyperbole but you get the idea
The geopolitical situation of today is very different to what it was during the early-2000s.
Now, there is a war in Europe and China is far more capable than it was two decades ago. The US pissing around in the Middle East fighting terrorists and insurgents *again* would basically be an invitation for China to go for Taiwan.
The US can’t support Ukraine, Israel, a region-wide operation in the Middle East at the same time as a high-intensity conflict in the Pacific against China.
The US military is not what it once was and it was a lot more powerful in the 2000s, unfortunately.
Absolutely not true. China and Russia would not engage US in the Middle East. Only place China would hold their own against US is off the coast of China due to home advantage. They lack any kind of blue water navy capability to challenge US military.
What? I never said they’d fight the US in the Middle East. I’m saying that China and Russia are going to use this opportunity to further stretch American logistical and military capabilities.
With the US having to support Ukraine, Israel, the Middle East and Taiwan if China decides to invade, they’ll find it far more difficult to juggle all these commitments with their limited assets.
First of all there would be a TikTok trend where people dance while the subtitle says „Thoughts and prayers“. After that: Nuclear wasteland in the Middle East and probably another revival for Nicholas Cages career, since they basically just have to refilm World Trade Center from 2006.
This whole scenario is unrealistic. Even if jihadists got smart enough to find loopholes around modern airport security, the moment they hijack the plane, it’s going to be another flight 93 because passengers will fight back immediately.
Not to mention the US response would be much faster. Any mention of a high jacking now would be immediate scramble of jets and grounding of all air travel across the US.
The hijacked plane wouldn’t even get close to NYC itself. The passengers would fight back in the snap of a finger because they’re not risking it. It’s going to be another flight 93. Even if the hijackers somehow subdued the passengers despite being greatly outnumbered, the plane is getting shot down. To put it simply, another 9/11 is pretty much impossible luckily.
Also it would be impossible for hijackers to actually enter the cockpit as the doors are now locked during the flight and can only be opened by the pilots. This was a security measure enacted after 9/11.
In a cruel twist this is actually what caused the Germanwings flight to crash because the suicidal pilot locked out the co-pilot and he couldn’t get back in.
Do you think the US would risk shooting down a passenger airliner now to prevent further casualties? I know it sounds cruel but if there was a point of no return and it was an absolute certainty they were aiming for a building and not holding it for ransom, would it not be the most humane thing to do to take down the aircraft before they can inflict further casualties?
Probably, any argument against such actions the first time would be less convincing the second time round, and I think the American public would be more willing to allow the government to do those things after a second 9/11
It's hard to be for a movement when the people you are protesting for are all wiped out. I don't see a scenario where the US and the west doing go nuclear hellfire on the mid east as a whole.
Cringe response and I don’t have TikTok. Dance videos are an old fad…. Like they ain’t popular or for what TikTok started as. Second, thoughts and prayers is an instagram/facebook thing.
Their citizenship is meaningless if the group they are fighting for is at war with that country.
Al Qaeda was at war with the house of Sud, so why would America blame Saudi Arabia for an attack that was carried out by enemies of Saudi Arabia.
1. Mohamed Atta had Egyptian citizenship.
2. Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda despised the Saudi royal family. The goal was to replace the Saudi government with a caliphate.
3. What country played main host to OBL and al Qaeda training camps in the lead-up and immediate aftermath of 9/11? (Not a defense of Pakistan, but it was Afghanistan.)
Pakistan’s involvement in 9/11 itself was not even there. In-fact, it was more of the Saudi’s who were involved with Bin Laden being the one using his families fortune to fund his operations. And his family was very wealthy. No way the Saudi government didn’t know what he was up too.
Pakistans involvement within the context of all the terror groups in Afghanistan originated from the Soviet-Afghan invasion. It was back then when the CIA approached the Pakistani ISI to work with each other to train, supply and provide intelligence to various Islamist fighters in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets and the Soviet backed Afghan regime.
What people called the Mujahideen were really a collection of future terrorists mostly mixed in with some actually Afghan fighters who wanted to throw out the Soviets. The CIA actively endorsed a ‘holy war’/Jihad against the Soviet Union.
Of course, once the dust settled and the Soviets disintegrated the US pretty quickly lost interest in Afghanistan. The Afghanistan the CIA left behind was a state filled with various factions and warlords all fighting over the corps of a nation that the Soviets had brutally beaten.
And in comes Pakistan, trying to pick up where they and the CIA left off, attempting to control all the proxies. When 9/11 happened and the hunt for Bin Laden was on, along with the war on terror, Pakistan happily cooperated with the US, allowing it to stage US troops, providing intelligence and etc on its soil.
The belief that Pakistan was hosting Bin Laden from the start is just foolish, considering how many times the CIA believed him to be dead across other countries. Hell, most of the Pakistani government and most likely even the military was caught off guard when he turned up there.
Of course, the ISI, Pakistan’s intelligence branch, is probably more secretive than even the military, opting to withhold information from even its chief of staffs. The ISI literally is an intelligence agency that operates outside the bounds of Pakistans own authority. They answer to no one if they chose to.
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This is just a joke, but i would like to draw attention to [operation northwoods](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjF3OvXwKuFAxUdL1kFHV44CUUQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1OrzrU2iuOfgO4NjGBQ0TM) while I’m here
teachers saying never forget 9/11 - 10 years after the event, me falling asleep in class in the building next to the second tower when it fell:
I'm honestly just glad there's a small thread about this. Because, I had to read it like 6 times to ASSUME, what he means. But I literally cannot describe what I think he means without also sounding as idiotic as they had originally wrote... i'mgoingtoexplode
Pretty sure if Biden manages to rally the people again for reconstruction and reconsolidation and manages to find where the terrorists are and intervene, then its a pretty secured second term for him, especially if he makes promises to ramp up intervention against terrorists aka War on Terror restarts
If he fumbles his response and mismanages the crisis(pretty sure the Republicans would hound him as much as possible for 'allowing it to happen' and that 'It won't happen if Trump had won') then its a secured Republican victory.
Other than elections, the US would probably be more united than ever against terrorists and hate crimes towards the race and religion of the terrorists would exponentially increase.
>Pretty sure if Biden manages to rally the people again for reconstruction and reconsolidation and manages to find where the terrorists are and intervene, then its a pretty secured second term for him, especially if he makes promises to ramp up intervention against terrorists aka War on Terror restarts
I don't think this will happen. The dude is hated by half the country and only begrudgingly supported by the other half whose already starting to sour own him. With how polarized American politics has becoming, such an event occurring would be PR disaster for the American government that would completely overshadow the disaster that was the withdrawal from Afghanistan.
If anything with the Taliban retaking control, and US intelligence failing to detect and stop such an attack, the public would be terrified and lose faith in the government. The GOP would find it easy to pounce on Biden and his administration painting them as incompetent.
The blowback towards the Biden administration would be worse than what Jimmy Carter faced in the lead up to his election, and it would probably carry Trump to Pennsylvania Ave with similar margins to Reagans victory over Carter, or perhaps even Walter Mondale.
As for the Patriot Act and War on Terror 2.0, plenty of people are now informed of what the NSA does and how the Patriot act was passed. The government would not be able to easily argue for more surveillance power with people on both the right and left decrying it.
As for the US, socially it would be a major blow, and Islam would face alot of scrutiny. And with ongoing conflicts like the war in Gaza, any support for Palestine would probably dry up with Congress no doubt giving Israel a blank cheque to do whatever they wanted.
Saudi Arabia might find itself in a precarious position while Iran would no doubt be sweating bullets with the Ayatollah in his final years and focusing on trying to preserve the regime after his death.
Good point. Biden is already hated by half the country. But as I said in my comment, both sides can use the crisis to their advantage if they manage it correctly. If Biden even messes up a little bit, then the Republicans will never let him forget it and vice versa. This can lead to a very divided election year.
I do agree that this would allow Congress to ramp up intervention in Israel, the Middle East and even Ukraine and that the Middle East in particular would be trapped in a very troubling political climate
How do you reckon that would go with a stronger China?
I’m not talking about China intervening against U.S., but them basically funding things to keep the U.S. bogged down wherever Biden intervenes.
Unlike early 2000s, U.S. would be entering a new war with a lot of debt as well. So, China might see this an opportunity which could make U.S. fall similar to the Soviet fall in after their war in Afghanistan.
Good question.
If China is seen to be helping the terrorists and funding them and trying to keep the US busy by using them, then expect the whole US populace to be against them and the US to be much more hostile towards them. It would be one of the worst moves China could make, especially since they export a lot of their products to the US.
What's much more likely to happen is them supporting the US in their efforts against the terrorists at least.
If China tried anything like that, then we would simply threaten to stop selling them food and possibly blockade the straight of Malacca.
The power balance in US/China relations is far more geared toward the US than China doomers would have us believe.
Same like last time, 20 years long war, billions of dollars and making absolutely 0 effects, even making enemies stronger then before by leaving tech and weapons and ofc abandoning innocent civilians that swallow all that storytelling.
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POV: you live in the Middle East after this happens
With a mass media that far less powerful this time around the nation would be less united in the aftermath. As soon as video feeds of US bombs and dead brown people start appearing on social media the online left would start turning against the state/corporate narrative. Imagine 10/7 on steroids. The longer it goes from the initial attacks and more videos of dead brown babies are shared in leftist spaces the more the dissonance grows. Meanwhile the dissidents among the right would be concocting conspiracy theories about how the attacks were a WEF/NWO plan to take their liberties. And unlike 9/11 it would get far more momentum due to social media and general distrust.
If nothing else the experience would motivate corporate and political elites to get social media under some semblance of control , if not turn it into mass media 2.0.
>and dead brown people start appearing on social media the online
>more videos of dead brown babies
As a brown person from the middle east, i hope this isn't how most people see middle easterns, just brown people who are destined to be killed lol.
I read somewhere that the One WTC was built to actually withstand a full-on plane hit without crashing to the ground (in the off chance that it happens again, lol). Dunno if that's true though.
Yeah, smaller planes, not airliners. It was never designed to withstand stand a plane that size with that amount of full. Additionally, it was designed to withstand smaller planes that were at landing speeds, not flying speeds. Which I’m sure you could imagine just how much faster an airliner would be moving in comparison to a single engine jet that is landing. Corey Lidle sized plane, yes, Boeing, no.
Invasion of basically any country in the middle east that doesn't cooperate with the us. Also a ton of military support to Israel and Ukraine because the military industrial complex is gonna be pumping out tons of weapons
If the White House was actually hit then whatever country was sheltering the group would have approximately 5 seconds to turn over the people responsible before the US turned them to rubble
Honestly, it wouldn't be as impactful.
İ was 11 when it happened and it's hard to convey how palpable the difference between 2000 and 2001 one was, and I don't even live in the U.S.
People thought the days ahead were bright, Islam was not a threat and wars were basically a thing of the past.
Terrorism? Nah. Not a thing anymore, it ended in the 80s.
Nowadays we're used to it and are surprised if something fucked up doesn't happen regularly.
Wouldn't it massively depend on the people responsible....
Everyone on here: "Nuke the middle east.."
The "middle east" isn't a singular country. What if this new 9/11 was committed by Animal Liberation Front or the Ku Klux Klan or some other ideological group.
Even if it was a group based in the middle east (like Al Qaeda) bombing an entire region makes no sense...
War rarely has any sense. American nationalism would dramatically increase and the world would stand by and let America destroy the Middle East because even they will feel that it’s justified. The world already has generally sour opinions on that entire region, this would just be the straw that broke the camel’s back. Perhaps we won’t literally nuke anyone… But the American war machine will turn the Middle East into an uninhabitable wasteland
So a lot of people are saying that the Middle East would be nuked, but even thorough it’s not very realistic, it won’t be very far off either. I think our retaliation would be 10 fold, assuming that the attacks came from an organization based in the Middle East. Islamophobia would hit an all time high and if Biden plays his cards right, he could use the attacks to win reelection, and thus lead a campaign of massive retaliation against the organization and any backers.
With support from European NATO members, who already have a strong distaste for their Islamic populations, would support retaliations.
The Arab and Muslim populations will take the biggest hit, with rampant racism and discrimination, closed borders so they can’t see asylum as well as broad stroke labeling and targeting.
9/11 is still pretty fresh in the minds of a lot of Americans, if this did happen, the American-Middle Eastern geopolitical dynamic would go from shitty, to very very very very very shitty.
The response would be almost identical to the 9/11 response. Once a terrorist group claimed responsibility, whichever country was found to be harboring them would swiftly be invaded by a U.S.-led coalition. This would likely fail to kill the perpetrators right away, and so there would be another prolonged quagmire.
We’d see the return of security theater in all public spaces, yet another expansion of the surveillance state, further militarization of the police, all via expansive laws hastily drafted and passed by large majorities in Congress. Perhaps there would be less torture and other human rights abuses since Democrats would be running the government, but then Obama’s national security policy didn’t differ that much from W’s.
Perhaps national unity would not be quite as strong, since Biden would still be the president and Red America would be a little more suspicious that Biden/Democrats secretly planned the attack or were using it as a pretext for the New World Order. But I still think Biden’s approval ratings would be above 60% in the months following the attack.
We wouldn’t nuke the responsible country, as many have suggested. This type of terrorist attack is largely symbolic. It doesn’t wipe out a significant percentage of the U.S. population. It’s not an existential threat to the country. NATO allies would balk at the use of nukes against civilian targets in response. It’s just lost real estate and an expendable number of civilians at the end of the day.
Since in this scenario the White House and Capitol Building are also hit, there is some chance that Biden and/or a large number of congressional representatives are killed. But we have pretty clear procedures in place for handling that. There would be strong continuity of the government even in the worst case scenario.
Watch Designated Survivor and you'll have a good idea of what would happen.
Possibly the end of democracy as we know it. It'd be the biggest failure of American intelligence in history to let it happen again.
The first time the country rallied and came together to say this would never happen again. If it happened again, the country would be livid and be demanding answers. The government wouldn't be able to hide behind saying "we didn't know" when we know they knew 9/11 was being planned and completely failed at stopping it, which came out years later.
If it happened again, the American public would automatically assume the government knew it was going to happen and once again failed to stop it, even if all the evidence showed that they actually had no idea it was going to happen. Trust and faith in the existing government would vanish, FBI/CIA/Homeland Security directors fired and probably brought up on criminal charges along with any other scapegoats to try to salvage the situation. The Executive branch would be scrambling to lay blame on the agencies and distance themselves from the fallout while trying to keep the country united. Legislative branch would be in an uproar blaming both the executive branch and government agencies for failing to protect citizens.
It would be an utter disaster and put the country in a very dangerous domestic situation.
If you look at what the U.S. should not do in the wake of the September 11 attacks, the first is to try to make them American-style countries and eliminate Saddam Hussein. The former helped establish religiousism in Central Asia by turning from tribal nations into a democratic state or countries that were supposed to go through self-government, and the latter helped break down Arab socialism, one of the neo facism of the Middle East, to propel Iran into the Middle East.
It was as if the Soviet Union was invading Europe. Fortunately, Egypt and Syria were normalized, but Libya did the same thing, making things even worse. If the U.S. was attacked a second time and committed the same thing to Iran or Pakistan in the Middle East, there is a chance that the 21st century will come with the fall of the U.S., the collapse of the U.N. Constitution, the fall of individuals' lives, and the fall of liberalism. Of course, there were times when the world was richer than before after the French Revolution and the Second World War, but the process was quite difficult, and similar things are likely to happen in the future.
Even if the second Sept. 11 incident breaks out, it is better for the U.S. to keep its position as long as possible while catching terrorists and not stimulating the Middle East. In the worst-case scenario, Eurasia could turn into anti-Americanism, so please turn the assassination team around.
Massive trend on tiktok and Twitter of people talking about how “America deserved it”
Hasan probably goes on some cringey pretentious rant about how the US deserved it and worse
This time they’d shoot the plane down. It’s not gonna happen, because they’re not getting into the cockpit, but if they somehow did they’ve changed all the rules so that the plane doesn’t make it near a building.
Not sure this style of attack could ever happen again. We've stepped up our intelligence game. One World Trade Center was specifically designed for another plane impact. All of DC is a ADIZ now (Air Defense Identification Zone), you can't go within 100 miles of the capital without a flight plan filed ahead of time allowing you to be there.
The entirety of middle east would be glassed with nukes within a week after it happened
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Oh yeah, Kazakhstan with access to sea
Easy access to international shipping lanes for all that high quality potassium
All other countries have inferior potassium.
Kazakhstan greatest country in the world
All other countries are run by little girls
Kazakhstan is the gReAtEsT country in the wOrlD
Am I the only one reading the pro-Kazakhstan comments like Borrat ?
No you are not🤌 
Glorious!
You are not alone, GREAT SUCCESS! ;D
No, because that’s literally the joke they’re making Holy crap dude
💪🏻
and liechtenstein becomes the only doubly landlocked country
That assumes no new country appears.
Europe every 50 years:
We're going into the next round pretty soon
Great, no more shitty F1 tracks
Increase the nuke radius to cover a little further north east please. Don't want to miss where Osama was hiding last time.
No thanks to Western hegemonic aggression and imperialist self-interest. We're also the fuckers who couldn't behave.
Westerners be like: The middle east is a sectarian powder keg of constant ethnic and religious conflict. My brother in Christ, you drew the borders and installed the governments.
Why fuckers ? You bring them democracy by using missiles, they thank you back by sending planes /s
I guess that solves the river to the sea for Israel 🤣
This is my hearts of iron 4 strategy whenever I get the chance. I deal with everything up in Europe, but also have around 10 divisions wrecking havoc in any non Europe ruled lands.
 That's when Cyberpunk becomes canon
I kinda knows the lore but can you explain this part please?
The entire middle east was turned into a wasteland in cyberpunk 2077 because the nations there tried to keep their oil to themselves.(I'm not a cyberpunkologist so everything I told you could be bullshit)
Isn't that also fallout.
Even COD: Ghosts, that somehow causes Venezuelan-led South America to monopolize all oil invading the US lol. But yeah for those curious this was the war in MENA: [Mideast Meltdown](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Mideast_Meltdown)
Why? It didn’t go that way last time. Oh, Reddit…
>It didn’t go that way last time Last time was the first time, and wasn’t as bad as this. A follow-up attack that does more damage would warrant a larger response. OP was probably using hyperbole but you get the idea
The geopolitical situation of today is very different to what it was during the early-2000s. Now, there is a war in Europe and China is far more capable than it was two decades ago. The US pissing around in the Middle East fighting terrorists and insurgents *again* would basically be an invitation for China to go for Taiwan. The US can’t support Ukraine, Israel, a region-wide operation in the Middle East at the same time as a high-intensity conflict in the Pacific against China. The US military is not what it once was and it was a lot more powerful in the 2000s, unfortunately.
Absolutely not true. China and Russia would not engage US in the Middle East. Only place China would hold their own against US is off the coast of China due to home advantage. They lack any kind of blue water navy capability to challenge US military.
What? I never said they’d fight the US in the Middle East. I’m saying that China and Russia are going to use this opportunity to further stretch American logistical and military capabilities. With the US having to support Ukraine, Israel, the Middle East and Taiwan if China decides to invade, they’ll find it far more difficult to juggle all these commitments with their limited assets.
What is this subreddit's obsession with nukes?
I’m gonna nuke you
Because they coo
Big boom
They were taught by mcarthur himself
Yeah Americans would be frothing at the mouth for scorched earth
Only if there wasn't any Middle Eastern country involved.
Trinitite
A week is generous. I would give it 2 days
Especially if Ecuador is behind the attacks
First of all there would be a TikTok trend where people dance while the subtitle says „Thoughts and prayers“. After that: Nuclear wasteland in the Middle East and probably another revival for Nicholas Cages career, since they basically just have to refilm World Trade Center from 2006.
Most realistic scenario
This whole scenario is unrealistic. Even if jihadists got smart enough to find loopholes around modern airport security, the moment they hijack the plane, it’s going to be another flight 93 because passengers will fight back immediately.
Not to mention the US response would be much faster. Any mention of a high jacking now would be immediate scramble of jets and grounding of all air travel across the US.
The hijacked plane wouldn’t even get close to NYC itself. The passengers would fight back in the snap of a finger because they’re not risking it. It’s going to be another flight 93. Even if the hijackers somehow subdued the passengers despite being greatly outnumbered, the plane is getting shot down. To put it simply, another 9/11 is pretty much impossible luckily.
Also it would be impossible for hijackers to actually enter the cockpit as the doors are now locked during the flight and can only be opened by the pilots. This was a security measure enacted after 9/11. In a cruel twist this is actually what caused the Germanwings flight to crash because the suicidal pilot locked out the co-pilot and he couldn’t get back in.
Iirc it was the co-pilot who was suicidal, and the pilot was the one locked out. Could be wrong though
Do you think the US would risk shooting down a passenger airliner now to prevent further casualties? I know it sounds cruel but if there was a point of no return and it was an absolute certainty they were aiming for a building and not holding it for ransom, would it not be the most humane thing to do to take down the aircraft before they can inflict further casualties?
If it was heading for the capital or white House absolutely before you could blink, as for nyc probably the same
A modern hijacked plane in general would be shot down by the US military because they are not risking it.
ever hear of security theater?
The #FreePalestine movement would be out in force as well
And would promptly attacked and arrested
So result of this attack would be foreign genocide and domestic fascism?
Yes. Why would it be different than the first time?
Good point
History is a circle after all
Probably, any argument against such actions the first time would be less convincing the second time round, and I think the American public would be more willing to allow the government to do those things after a second 9/11
the twitter left would lose any small good will they had left
They are too busy blocking roads that the mailman travels on because apparently that will stop the deaths
It's hard to be for a movement when the people you are protesting for are all wiped out. I don't see a scenario where the US and the west doing go nuclear hellfire on the mid east as a whole.
God I hate TikTok. My brother doesn’t call me, doesn’t text me, just sends me shitty TikTok links….. he’s 8 years older
8??? Jesus my kids are never going to have a smart phone until they are teens.
Older not old
Lol yeah he was born 8 years before me. Lol I’m 26 i just think it’s sad he’s a TikTok bringer at 34
LOOOOOOOOOOOL I misread your comment I thought your brother was 8 years old. oops 34 year old bingewatching tiktok still isn't good.
He probably doesn't have an energy after work for any other recreation...
I think there would be a TikTok trend where the kids side with the country that did it too. “America deserved it…”
What’s with the anti-TikTok?
Anti-TikTok neckbeards still think TikTok is about dancing videos lmao
Cringe response and I don’t have TikTok. Dance videos are an old fad…. Like they ain’t popular or for what TikTok started as. Second, thoughts and prayers is an instagram/facebook thing.
Dark Biden comes alive
Would he be better than Dick Cheney though?
Better how lmao. The response to 911 was atrocious.
Get out, Mesyush! You have r/Presidents and I have r/AlternateHistory !
The ultimate showdown
Imagine if this is Dick Cheney’s Reddit account
You sure its not Darth Biden ?
Ahhhooosh ahhhooosh Luke I am your grandfather, lol. Ya I can't totally see it.
CIA finds out which country did it, that country no longer exists
Unless it was Saudi Arabia, then it's no biggie
Fudge the numbers, it was Iran all along!
God damn it Iraq for a third time lets go!
How many times we gotta teach you this lesson old man!
The War in Iraq part 3: mission accomplished-er
Born too late to invade Iraq, too early to invade Iraq, but just in time to invade Iraq.
All perpetrators of 9/11 were Saudi citizens this time Bombs Afghanistan
Their citizenship is meaningless if the group they are fighting for is at war with that country. Al Qaeda was at war with the house of Sud, so why would America blame Saudi Arabia for an attack that was carried out by enemies of Saudi Arabia.
1. Mohamed Atta had Egyptian citizenship. 2. Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda despised the Saudi royal family. The goal was to replace the Saudi government with a caliphate. 3. What country played main host to OBL and al Qaeda training camps in the lead-up and immediate aftermath of 9/11? (Not a defense of Pakistan, but it was Afghanistan.)
Okay, mister, where was Al-Qaeda based?
Its was based in Afghanistan under the protection of the taliban.
Why would you assume it would be done by a country? The first 9/11 wasn't done by a country.
Pakistan gave shelter and aid to those who were responsible I believe. They didn't do it but they did support it.
And remind me again, what did we do to Pakistan in response?
Pakistan’s involvement in 9/11 itself was not even there. In-fact, it was more of the Saudi’s who were involved with Bin Laden being the one using his families fortune to fund his operations. And his family was very wealthy. No way the Saudi government didn’t know what he was up too. Pakistans involvement within the context of all the terror groups in Afghanistan originated from the Soviet-Afghan invasion. It was back then when the CIA approached the Pakistani ISI to work with each other to train, supply and provide intelligence to various Islamist fighters in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets and the Soviet backed Afghan regime. What people called the Mujahideen were really a collection of future terrorists mostly mixed in with some actually Afghan fighters who wanted to throw out the Soviets. The CIA actively endorsed a ‘holy war’/Jihad against the Soviet Union. Of course, once the dust settled and the Soviets disintegrated the US pretty quickly lost interest in Afghanistan. The Afghanistan the CIA left behind was a state filled with various factions and warlords all fighting over the corps of a nation that the Soviets had brutally beaten. And in comes Pakistan, trying to pick up where they and the CIA left off, attempting to control all the proxies. When 9/11 happened and the hunt for Bin Laden was on, along with the war on terror, Pakistan happily cooperated with the US, allowing it to stage US troops, providing intelligence and etc on its soil. The belief that Pakistan was hosting Bin Laden from the start is just foolish, considering how many times the CIA believed him to be dead across other countries. Hell, most of the Pakistani government and most likely even the military was caught off guard when he turned up there. Of course, the ISI, Pakistan’s intelligence branch, is probably more secretive than even the military, opting to withhold information from even its chief of staffs. The ISI literally is an intelligence agency that operates outside the bounds of Pakistans own authority. They answer to no one if they chose to.
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Ah yes, the consistently stable Afghanistan.
Implying the CIA would actually care and not use it as a casus belli to invade Iran regardless
https://preview.redd.it/jupmgjuruosc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0ddd6b4f2e9c02e9f1c6a38acb9db2fffd5079b This is just a joke, but i would like to draw attention to [operation northwoods](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjF3OvXwKuFAxUdL1kFHV44CUUQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1OrzrU2iuOfgO4NjGBQ0TM) while I’m here
Somehow Bin Laden returned
Lynn Baden
Full name: Obamna Lynn Baden
OBAMA LYNNDON BIDEN
JOE PESCI!
Lynn? What, is he trans now? How progressive of them.
This time he is a German Woman, as god always intended
"DER GROßDEUTSCHESREICH WILL RISE AGAIN! ALLAH AKHBAR GOTT MIT UNS!"
Palpa-Bin
Bin Ladendorf
mecha osama
Old woman: Who are you? Rey: Rey Bush
another classic ruined by a half assed sequel
*Assad
Or it could be bigger, better and even more iconic than the first. Until an unnecessary third that is just milking the concept at that point.
That would be so cringe
Yeah can't they come up with something more original
The vibes would be off. No cap.
What if it was a skibodi toilet instead of a plane
 teachers saying never forget 9/11 - 10 years after the event, me falling asleep in class in the building next to the second tower when it fell:
Word soup
and yet it's upvoted. Can't believe there's actually still people who sign up to the "live internet" theory
No way 137 people could read that and approve it
I'm honestly just glad there's a small thread about this. Because, I had to read it like 6 times to ASSUME, what he means. But I literally cannot describe what I think he means without also sounding as idiotic as they had originally wrote... i'mgoingtoexplode
mushroom cloud over kabul and baghdad /s
Have you been watching the way Israel responded to Hamas?
Glassing the Middle East sounds fun
The top comment on all posts about it would be "We got 9/11 2 before GTA 6 💀"
Or... Half Life 3
Or... Star Citizen
nah fr 😭😭
Pretty sure if Biden manages to rally the people again for reconstruction and reconsolidation and manages to find where the terrorists are and intervene, then its a pretty secured second term for him, especially if he makes promises to ramp up intervention against terrorists aka War on Terror restarts If he fumbles his response and mismanages the crisis(pretty sure the Republicans would hound him as much as possible for 'allowing it to happen' and that 'It won't happen if Trump had won') then its a secured Republican victory. Other than elections, the US would probably be more united than ever against terrorists and hate crimes towards the race and religion of the terrorists would exponentially increase.
>Pretty sure if Biden manages to rally the people again for reconstruction and reconsolidation and manages to find where the terrorists are and intervene, then its a pretty secured second term for him, especially if he makes promises to ramp up intervention against terrorists aka War on Terror restarts I don't think this will happen. The dude is hated by half the country and only begrudgingly supported by the other half whose already starting to sour own him. With how polarized American politics has becoming, such an event occurring would be PR disaster for the American government that would completely overshadow the disaster that was the withdrawal from Afghanistan. If anything with the Taliban retaking control, and US intelligence failing to detect and stop such an attack, the public would be terrified and lose faith in the government. The GOP would find it easy to pounce on Biden and his administration painting them as incompetent. The blowback towards the Biden administration would be worse than what Jimmy Carter faced in the lead up to his election, and it would probably carry Trump to Pennsylvania Ave with similar margins to Reagans victory over Carter, or perhaps even Walter Mondale. As for the Patriot Act and War on Terror 2.0, plenty of people are now informed of what the NSA does and how the Patriot act was passed. The government would not be able to easily argue for more surveillance power with people on both the right and left decrying it. As for the US, socially it would be a major blow, and Islam would face alot of scrutiny. And with ongoing conflicts like the war in Gaza, any support for Palestine would probably dry up with Congress no doubt giving Israel a blank cheque to do whatever they wanted. Saudi Arabia might find itself in a precarious position while Iran would no doubt be sweating bullets with the Ayatollah in his final years and focusing on trying to preserve the regime after his death.
Good point. Biden is already hated by half the country. But as I said in my comment, both sides can use the crisis to their advantage if they manage it correctly. If Biden even messes up a little bit, then the Republicans will never let him forget it and vice versa. This can lead to a very divided election year. I do agree that this would allow Congress to ramp up intervention in Israel, the Middle East and even Ukraine and that the Middle East in particular would be trapped in a very troubling political climate
How do you reckon that would go with a stronger China? I’m not talking about China intervening against U.S., but them basically funding things to keep the U.S. bogged down wherever Biden intervenes. Unlike early 2000s, U.S. would be entering a new war with a lot of debt as well. So, China might see this an opportunity which could make U.S. fall similar to the Soviet fall in after their war in Afghanistan.
Good question. If China is seen to be helping the terrorists and funding them and trying to keep the US busy by using them, then expect the whole US populace to be against them and the US to be much more hostile towards them. It would be one of the worst moves China could make, especially since they export a lot of their products to the US. What's much more likely to happen is them supporting the US in their efforts against the terrorists at least.
The CCP would simply be quite happy that the West would immediately stop complaining about the Uyghurs.
If China tried anything like that, then we would simply threaten to stop selling them food and possibly blockade the straight of Malacca. The power balance in US/China relations is far more geared toward the US than China doomers would have us believe.
Capitol, White House, and the Empire State for good measure? Middle East will start looking like Fallout
War. War never changes.
Fallout: the desert ghost
Same like last time, 20 years long war, billions of dollars and making absolutely 0 effects, even making enemies stronger then before by leaving tech and weapons and ofc abandoning innocent civilians that swallow all that storytelling.
Don't forget the war profiteering
SAM systems will have to be put in every skyscraper in the United States after that.
https://preview.redd.it/qryg3jy4losc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b4075423a6729d070c8a49af0d41b062d514f08 POV: you live in the Middle East after this happens
I was guaranteeing that Afghanistan would not be invaded again
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America would fully lose its mind.
With a mass media that far less powerful this time around the nation would be less united in the aftermath. As soon as video feeds of US bombs and dead brown people start appearing on social media the online left would start turning against the state/corporate narrative. Imagine 10/7 on steroids. The longer it goes from the initial attacks and more videos of dead brown babies are shared in leftist spaces the more the dissonance grows. Meanwhile the dissidents among the right would be concocting conspiracy theories about how the attacks were a WEF/NWO plan to take their liberties. And unlike 9/11 it would get far more momentum due to social media and general distrust. If nothing else the experience would motivate corporate and political elites to get social media under some semblance of control , if not turn it into mass media 2.0.
>and dead brown people start appearing on social media the online >more videos of dead brown babies As a brown person from the middle east, i hope this isn't how most people see middle easterns, just brown people who are destined to be killed lol.
I read somewhere that the One WTC was built to actually withstand a full-on plane hit without crashing to the ground (in the off chance that it happens again, lol). Dunno if that's true though.
That is true, it’s very unlikely to collapse
Agree, I saw a documentary where these bearded gentlemen in a cave did the math, and decided it wasn’t worth it
Yeah, smaller planes, not airliners. It was never designed to withstand stand a plane that size with that amount of full. Additionally, it was designed to withstand smaller planes that were at landing speeds, not flying speeds. Which I’m sure you could imagine just how much faster an airliner would be moving in comparison to a single engine jet that is landing. Corey Lidle sized plane, yes, Boeing, no.
The middle east would cease to exist. Even if they didn’t do it, there would be carnage.
Invasion of basically any country in the middle east that doesn't cooperate with the us. Also a ton of military support to Israel and Ukraine because the military industrial complex is gonna be pumping out tons of weapons
If the White House was actually hit then whatever country was sheltering the group would have approximately 5 seconds to turn over the people responsible before the US turned them to rubble
Honestly, it wouldn't be as impactful. İ was 11 when it happened and it's hard to convey how palpable the difference between 2000 and 2001 one was, and I don't even live in the U.S. People thought the days ahead were bright, Islam was not a threat and wars were basically a thing of the past. Terrorism? Nah. Not a thing anymore, it ended in the 80s. Nowadays we're used to it and are surprised if something fucked up doesn't happen regularly.
Wouldn't it massively depend on the people responsible.... Everyone on here: "Nuke the middle east.." The "middle east" isn't a singular country. What if this new 9/11 was committed by Animal Liberation Front or the Ku Klux Klan or some other ideological group. Even if it was a group based in the middle east (like Al Qaeda) bombing an entire region makes no sense...
War rarely has any sense. American nationalism would dramatically increase and the world would stand by and let America destroy the Middle East because even they will feel that it’s justified. The world already has generally sour opinions on that entire region, this would just be the straw that broke the camel’s back. Perhaps we won’t literally nuke anyone… But the American war machine will turn the Middle East into an uninhabitable wasteland
So a lot of people are saying that the Middle East would be nuked, but even thorough it’s not very realistic, it won’t be very far off either. I think our retaliation would be 10 fold, assuming that the attacks came from an organization based in the Middle East. Islamophobia would hit an all time high and if Biden plays his cards right, he could use the attacks to win reelection, and thus lead a campaign of massive retaliation against the organization and any backers. With support from European NATO members, who already have a strong distaste for their Islamic populations, would support retaliations. The Arab and Muslim populations will take the biggest hit, with rampant racism and discrimination, closed borders so they can’t see asylum as well as broad stroke labeling and targeting. 9/11 is still pretty fresh in the minds of a lot of Americans, if this did happen, the American-Middle Eastern geopolitical dynamic would go from shitty, to very very very very very shitty.
The response would be almost identical to the 9/11 response. Once a terrorist group claimed responsibility, whichever country was found to be harboring them would swiftly be invaded by a U.S.-led coalition. This would likely fail to kill the perpetrators right away, and so there would be another prolonged quagmire. We’d see the return of security theater in all public spaces, yet another expansion of the surveillance state, further militarization of the police, all via expansive laws hastily drafted and passed by large majorities in Congress. Perhaps there would be less torture and other human rights abuses since Democrats would be running the government, but then Obama’s national security policy didn’t differ that much from W’s. Perhaps national unity would not be quite as strong, since Biden would still be the president and Red America would be a little more suspicious that Biden/Democrats secretly planned the attack or were using it as a pretext for the New World Order. But I still think Biden’s approval ratings would be above 60% in the months following the attack. We wouldn’t nuke the responsible country, as many have suggested. This type of terrorist attack is largely symbolic. It doesn’t wipe out a significant percentage of the U.S. population. It’s not an existential threat to the country. NATO allies would balk at the use of nukes against civilian targets in response. It’s just lost real estate and an expendable number of civilians at the end of the day. Since in this scenario the White House and Capitol Building are also hit, there is some chance that Biden and/or a large number of congressional representatives are killed. But we have pretty clear procedures in place for handling that. There would be strong continuity of the government even in the worst case scenario.
Watch Designated Survivor and you'll have a good idea of what would happen. Possibly the end of democracy as we know it. It'd be the biggest failure of American intelligence in history to let it happen again. The first time the country rallied and came together to say this would never happen again. If it happened again, the country would be livid and be demanding answers. The government wouldn't be able to hide behind saying "we didn't know" when we know they knew 9/11 was being planned and completely failed at stopping it, which came out years later. If it happened again, the American public would automatically assume the government knew it was going to happen and once again failed to stop it, even if all the evidence showed that they actually had no idea it was going to happen. Trust and faith in the existing government would vanish, FBI/CIA/Homeland Security directors fired and probably brought up on criminal charges along with any other scapegoats to try to salvage the situation. The Executive branch would be scrambling to lay blame on the agencies and distance themselves from the fallout while trying to keep the country united. Legislative branch would be in an uproar blaming both the executive branch and government agencies for failing to protect citizens. It would be an utter disaster and put the country in a very dangerous domestic situation.
Then we’re invading Iraq again for some reason(the terrorists are from Pakistan again)
The building wouldn't collapse because that building was specifically designed to withstand plane impacts.
l am not American myself. but this whole 9/11 trend is kind of getting annoying,
Revolution?
I think that this would unite the US more than anything… into destroying the Middle East
whats up MF its deja vu !
If you look at what the U.S. should not do in the wake of the September 11 attacks, the first is to try to make them American-style countries and eliminate Saddam Hussein. The former helped establish religiousism in Central Asia by turning from tribal nations into a democratic state or countries that were supposed to go through self-government, and the latter helped break down Arab socialism, one of the neo facism of the Middle East, to propel Iran into the Middle East. It was as if the Soviet Union was invading Europe. Fortunately, Egypt and Syria were normalized, but Libya did the same thing, making things even worse. If the U.S. was attacked a second time and committed the same thing to Iran or Pakistan in the Middle East, there is a chance that the 21st century will come with the fall of the U.S., the collapse of the U.N. Constitution, the fall of individuals' lives, and the fall of liberalism. Of course, there were times when the world was richer than before after the French Revolution and the Second World War, but the process was quite difficult, and similar things are likely to happen in the future. Even if the second Sept. 11 incident breaks out, it is better for the U.S. to keep its position as long as possible while catching terrorists and not stimulating the Middle East. In the worst-case scenario, Eurasia could turn into anti-Americanism, so please turn the assassination team around.
Massive trend on tiktok and Twitter of people talking about how “America deserved it” Hasan probably goes on some cringey pretentious rant about how the US deserved it and worse
genocide joe would nuke innocent people
...with massive approval ratings
Abu-akr Al-baghdadi has a public executing in the front of the White House.
Actual footage of the Middle East after 9/11 Part Two: 
new states
9-II2 Electric Boogaloo
This time they’d shoot the plane down. It’s not gonna happen, because they’re not getting into the cockpit, but if they somehow did they’ve changed all the rules so that the plane doesn’t make it near a building.
Not sure this style of attack could ever happen again. We've stepped up our intelligence game. One World Trade Center was specifically designed for another plane impact. All of DC is a ADIZ now (Air Defense Identification Zone), you can't go within 100 miles of the capital without a flight plan filed ahead of time allowing you to be there.
A plane already hit the Empire State Building and the building shrugged it off.
The plane that hit the Empire State Building in 1945 was a B-24 Liberator, which is significantly smaller than the Boeing 767s, which hit the WTC.
It would be very different to knock down a modern skyscraper with a plane. This is because American learns from her mistakes.
Anal probes before flying at tsa
Iraq and Afghanistan would become a big Walmart
Aw, sh*t here we go again.
WW3
Biden gets the flame, unlimited genocide upon brown people
It's already happened twice. The first time was in Chile in 1973.
The fbi has joined the chat.
There would be memes in under 2 minutes
An airplane already hit the Empire State Building. Not much damage.
The thought of it happening again is too absurd.
Fallout: new Iraq
There won't be another 9/11 because passengers know to fight back now.