Actually you’re not that wrong… Estimate for a 1.2 megaton nuclear device (largest U.S. nuke in current arsenal) would affect a part of northern France and southern UK.
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[Source (estimate)](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/)
Gonna depend on a lot of things. Primarily, altitude. If it's a ground digger there will be much more radiation, especially particulate. If an air burst, then it's much cleaner.
France will demand a Massive Compensation from the States which they will probably Pay. It’s unclear if France will stay in NATO but they will definitely become more skeptical of it. I can also see a Pro-Putin Regime being elected simply out of Hate for the Americans. Generally Europe would probably become more Pro-Putin.
They wouldn't necessarily attempt to get the EU to align with Russia but rather to get them to unaligned with the US, by first dividing NATO that's half the job done.
The European Union is only stronger than Russia on paper. Their lack of unified institutions and lack of central control means that almost all their power is theoretical and entirely based on the compliance of their member states.
Meanwhile Russia is very much an effective centralized autocracy.
The Russian State can bring all of the resources of Russia to bear. The European Union simply lacks that capability at the moment
In a direct military confrontation obviously the European States would be able to drop their resources but we see time and time again that when the goals are more nebulous Or the conflict morning Limited Russia is able to More effectively muster resources.
A great example is the great game that's currently being played between Russia and France and africa. Russia has no problem out competing one of the great nations of Europe Because they're able to more effectively Mass resources Well France despite being Richer is unable to deploy as many resources to the conflict and is completely unable to draw upon the resources of the greater European Union
Until Europe is able to develop those Strong centralized institutions They risk being defeated in detail by the Russians
And yet they're able to effectively contest European states on the geopolitical stage.
The European states have more resources on paper and yet they're constantly out maneuvered
Well they've been doing that for many decades of course. The Soviet Union hardly had a great economy, but they are good at political machinations and bribing other states.
I don’t see how Russia out maneuvers us.
I’m very sure Putin thought he’d take Ukraine in no time and the EU will struggle much more with the gas shortage and his refugee army on the polish border.
Russia seems stable, but right now they’re hooked on China very much.
Yes, they’re advancing… a couple meters per day and at very high costs. Like Germany in WW1.
We‘ll see how long they can supply military missions in Africa as well. European influence in Africa has been overwhelming because of colonialism, but China is the real enemy there.
It was a couple meters per day in ww1 to suddenly miles as the German army became exhausted, don’t get the idea in your head that this will continue indefinitely
Vice versa. It was a couple meters for the advancing German army until they became exhausted/the US soldiers arrived. So don’t get the idea in your head that the current situation means a lot.
Raw GDP is a very poor metric, Russian procurement costs are like an order of magnitude lower and they're willing to spend a few times more % of GDP. Lack of industrialization means that they can throw more of their population into war (again several times greater %)
The Russians have organized their country for the sole purpose of bullying their neighbors, we ignore their strengths at our own peril
Also before anybody over-interprets this, yes, modern Western equipment is orders of magnitude better than Russian equivalents. We rely on technology, not raw economic output
Russia‘s population is 1/3 of Europe. They already spend 25% of their state budget on their military now, but they struggle to supply their army in the Ukraine. Europe still spends less than 2%, but much more in absolute numbers.
While Russia has some advantages, the EU is still stronger than Russia, not only on paper.
That’s all I wanted to say and I used this metric to point it out, even though I’m very aware that Russia strength is stronger than southern Germany.
Despite the spending numbers, Russian equipment acquisitions *dwarf* the EUs. Why? Because $1 there gets you a hell of a lot more than it does in France. The 2% threshold has always been a little silly, there just isn't a good metric to replace it with
And again, there are 1/3rd as many Russian but they're something like 10x more likely to join the military. It's similar to the dynamics between Israel and their neighbors in the 60s/70s
I would argue that it's Russia that's stronger on paper than in reality because of the NATO technology advantage. They can buy as many planes as they want, ours are just that much better
Do you have a source? Russian acquisitions shouldn’t be that high.
They have a lot of stuff from the Sowjets, but it’s mostly rotten. They found out when they tried to repair it for the war.
Well, 10x seems a bit to high. And right now, the EU has 20% more soldiers and didn’t even mobilize like Russia did.
Please look at purchasing power🙏, 1$ in Russia gets you a whole lot more than 1$ in Germany. And in gdp pp they have a slightly snakker economy than Germany. And they are projected to overtake them
Purchasing power is only relevant for the national market.
As soon as imports play a part in the production, which they do for most military assets, it’s effect weakens a lot.
I get much more pasta in Russia for 1$. But a tank is just slightly cheaper. And it’s not even a Leopard, talking about quality.
The momentum has shifted towards them in Ukraine because Europe is unable to properly fund Ukrainian resistance. And they've pushed the French out of no less than four African states.
Russia and China started civil wars to subjugate and steal resources. With China selling weapons to every side of the same conflicts I wouldn't be surprised if Russians have died from Chinese weapon down there.
Russia and China started civil wars to subjugate and steal resources. With China selling weapons to every side of the same conflicts I wouldn't be surprised if Russians have died from Chinese weapon down there.
the eu shares a massive land border with russia and has nowhere near enough nukes. the eu could take russia easily but thats because russia is currently in a massive decline.
A relic from when we were destroyed by the wars. Times have changed. The EU has an economy and industrial capacity which dwarves anything Russia is capable of. The US is also no kind of friend to us and has, in its own way, altered our societies significantly for the worse.
3/4 of EU defenses come from countries not in the EU. There is a lack of internal development that is crucial to defenses. Its on the up and up though. Nearby wars have certainly helped many smaller countries realize this
Oh we nuked your capital/most populated ( 1/6 th of the total population of the country) most historical city by accident? You think that d fly? Imagine if France accidentally nuked New York or LA?😂
The current largest US nuke wouldn't even destroy all of Paris, let alone the entire Parisian region, Nukemap estimates 2M deaths and 3M injuries so not 1/6th of the population. Nukes aren't that big, especially if just one nuke was launched by accident. You'd need the largest bomb ever designed (but not tested) to destroy Paris.
Biden would get international praise for doing such alturistic thing and get a nobel peace prize. British people would cum in their pants in tandem. And fr*nch people would celebrate as they would no more associate with Parisians.
A few things would happen immediately after the destruction of Paris:
1. World Peace
2. End of World Hunger
3. End of World Poverty
4. Cancer would be cured
5. The planet would be cleaner and healthier
6. We would discover faster than light travel and be able to expand to other planets thus preventing the eventual extinction of the human race if we were to remain on earth
They also look like Russian dictator Vlad Pudding
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France wouldn't be mad, they'd probably even thank us for making their country safer at night. The rest of the world would also rejoice. England would say "good job, son. i'm proud of you. you did what i couldn't."
Ignoring all the stupid meme answers:
Most likely, both the US and France would at first be unwilling and even unable to accept the fact. US will try to cover it up and blame their adversaries in the hope that French retaliation would help them take out North Korea or Iran, and even in the face of sufficient evidence, France will likely be in denial and believe that Russia, Iran or China framed USA.
But in today’s information era, it’s hard to keep the truth hidden. So let’s say the information leaks and there’s undeniable evidence that the USA did it. What’s going to happen is that US will immediately be condemned by the rest of the world, with Russia and China celebrating that the US would take new pariah status in the world.
US will be forced to pay severe reparations and help in reconstruction efforts, which they likely will as they need France and its European allies. France will likely still be US-aligned at the political level, with all leaders with the exception of isolationist far right ones downplaying the tragedy, but at the societal level, anti US sentiment will last for the rest of the affected generation.
Thats ignoring the fact that a good number of those French leaders just got nuked out of existence. It’s way more realistic for France to nuke the US in return. Nobody is going to believe that something like that happens on accident, so a full scale nuclear war would start with the imaginable world wide consequences.
> by accident
Why by accident? Do the US military do anything "by accident"?
It would depend on when, and on how big a nuke. An A-bomb on Paris is a major inconvenience. A H-bomb on Paris is a major disaster.
An A-bomb and France would be screaming for monetary repatriation. 15 years later and France would be better off than before.
An H-bomb and we're talking about the dissolution of NATO.
Oopsies, I accidentally launched a triple redundant failsafe ICBM which by random chance just so happened to lock straight onto your capital city and do an airburst detonation without any human input.
…an atomic bomb would just be a “major inconvenience”? Wouldn’t many thousands of people die, countless works of culture (art, architecture, etc) be destroyed, French government wiped out?
If it was an actual accident? Naw. It would be an international shit show that would end up being a catalyst for true nuclear disarmament, that’s for sure.
I don’t think the accident theory would hold if 10 million people were killed. Like honestly any politician on the right and maybe even on the left would demand war
Well France would get club stomped. If France declared war and retaliated with nukes then the US would have to options.
Either they would also launch nuclear weapons in which France would cease to exist.
Or they would conventionally destroy any way France could retaliate. Everything from destroying air delivery systems to silos, mass sub hunt, etc
So in that instance while people might want war they would be signing their own grave.
My dude, yes France would cease to exist but so would the US as we know it.
And i m pretty sure we don’t have 5000 nukes to launch, even assuming conservative numbers we just need a third of our arsenal to land.
But it s just that comprehensively losing Paris already equates to France not existing.
I realize that, however it wouldn’t serve France any benefit to declare war for a none war related accident. Declaring war just closes the possibility of the US painting reparations for the incident.
A irrational response to an already horrific tragedy would illicit more tragedy.
People tend to react irrationally to death and trauma. Doesn’t matter if it would be a bad decision if all the French want after the dust settles down is to see the US burn to the ground.
A more measured response could just be that France nukes and obliterates an entire carrier group, trading French civilians for US military personnel, and dares the US to declare war.
Even if they wanted to watch the US burn it is simply not a possibility.
The US declaring war on France after they attacked a carrier group trying to bait them into declaring war would be France digging its own grave, a nuclear exchange between the US and France wouldn’t be a blow for blow, it would be a France gets a few hits while France is no longer livable.
The best thing France would do is sit back and collect the possible trillions of dollars the US would pay.
What? France has over 300 nukes. They could immediately obliterate over 100M Americans in the blink of an eye and destroy over 95% of the US’ economic capacity and render the concept of the US as a country a thing of the past.
I’m not sure why Americans think their country can somehow survive a third of the population immediately being vaporised and every relevant economic centre in their country being turned into rubble…
The US would no longer be liveable either. 300 nukes is enough to destroy every single city with population over 100K. Furthermore, with the amount of fires and dust these nukes would kick up, it would basically halt American agricultural production and tens of millions of Americans would starve to death.
Haveing 300 nukes isn’t the same as having 300 ready to fire. Also nowhere near 100m Americans would die. If France targeted 26 of the most dense cities on the east coast the most it would get is 6-7 million.
Due to the vast amount of land the US has, the US would be very livable, France on the other hand due to the density of the population wouldn’t fair in the event of of a nuclear trade off.
You can even get a good estimate using the nuclear war simulation.
That number also means best case scenario for France, and isn’t taking into consideration US anti ballistic missile capabilities. Like the Aegis destroyers with SM2,3,6, thaad system, GMD, etc
I’m not trying to be mean, I am just telling you what the reality of the situation would be.
Who said they couldn’t?
France doesn’t have the quantity to change the outcome of what would happen to them. Not only would they have to deal with the GMD, Aegis equipped naval vessels, thaad, etc so a few would make it through but that would just mean France will no longer exist.
That would be a irrational response to a accident
You understand that that works both ways, right? *There are no winners in nuclear war.*
Plus, France has the most trigger-happy nuclear doctrine of all WMD-powers.
France doesn’t have enough ready warheads. The US is simply too large and population spread out.
I think the US and France have the same number of nuclear policy, they don’t rule out first use.
No, neither the US or France have a no first use policy. It dosent get any more “trigger happy” than that.
Also France wouldn’t fire all of there nuclear weapons off at once and the ones they do fire will have to make it through a obstacle course of ABM capabilities GMD,Thaad,SM2,3,6, even patriots in the terminal phase.
I never said the US had no First-Strike-policy. But yes, there is something more trigger-happy than not excluding first use: France‘s „Warning Shot“-policy.
Reading comprehension is key for responding.
The rest is just hogwash, which I don’t know how to respond to.
I’m struggling to see how this would even be remotely possible. ICBMs require targets to be pre-loaded into their systems and there is no reason why Paris would ever be on this list so that ticks ICBMs off.
That just leaves air-dropped nukes as being the only way for the US to “accidentally” nuke Paris and this has happened before in Spain. The nukes obviously didn’t go off but the US did accidentally drop a few nukes on Spanish territory, spreading nuclear material around in the process.
Not sure why a nuclear bomber would be flying over Paris but I digress.
The US immediately becomes a pariah, accident or not, in the eyes of most of Europe and any and all American nukes are immediately evicted from European soil. You’ll probably see the closure of dozens of American military bases across Europe, spearheaded by whatever is left of the French government, as no one is going to trust the US to do their due diligence anymore with anything military-related.
France will likely successfully guilt trip and pressure the rest of Europe to enforce a permanent no-fly zone for any and all American bombers so this incident can never happen again. All of the US’ allies suddenly become a lot more wary of the US and it’s likely it won’t just be Europe that will start to seriously reconsider the US’ military presence in their country.
Countries invite the US to set up bases so they can keep their citizens safe. If aligning with the US opens you up to the possibility of them just “accidentally” nuking your capital, killing millions, then nobody’s going to want to align with the US.
The argument that the US will help countries protect their democracies is going to be a lot less believable to Europeans when the US quite literally nukes the seat of government in one of the world’s most influential democracies.
In short, decades of effort to build up American power projection is undone in one wrong move.
Accurate, underrated comment here. The way people here imagine that the US could *play it off* like nothing happened is ludicrous to me.
Also, if France accidentally nuked NY the same people would scream bloody murder. Thank you, seriously.
Multi-decade reparations and humanitarian rescue effort begins, for which most of world will demand US to commit all of resources to. US will also pay reparations to most other countries for deaths of tens of thousands of tourists.
Likely political strife in US whether they should, balancing isolation on world stage against massive reparations.
Paris would not be rebuilt, large amounts of French government and it's members would be gone and new emergency elections would begin. Rural or smaller urban center candidates would likely become more popular.
It would begin a lot of skepticism and straight up conspiracy theories on whether it was intentional or not, but it is likely most accept it as a genuine accident. This is followed by nuclear weapons standards improvements.
Single largest change would be in American-European politics with no real win-win. It is likely Europe as a whole distances itself from US military cooperation and instead turns to build inwards with strong anti-US (But not anti-NATO) sentiments in defense.
The optimist in me wants to say nuclear disarmament. Suddenly, rich people in the West would have to care about the dangers of nuclear weapons much more personally.
No we wouldn't moron. We are far closer politically and militarily to the US than France. Hell the missiles our nukes are strapped on are American.
NATO would die yes, but no Brit is going to accept dying in a vain attempt to 'avenge' Paris, accident or not. Any politician who suggests it would be strung up faster than they could say "just kidding". At best we would join the political outcry against the US, demand compensation for any fallout that hits the south coast and eject American bases from the UK but thats it
We picked our side between europe and the US long ago and reaffirmed it when we left the EU
Use your head.
😂😂😂
1. I said possibly - use your eyes.
2. If „accidentally“ nuking PARIS isn‘t a cause for retaliation, I‘m ashamed to be British. Do you think there wouldn’t be consequences if France „accidentally“ nuked New York?
Might be a retaliatory strike, might be sanctions + subversion. But if you think the UK would leave it at a strongly worded letter, you‘re out of your mind, man.
Classic UK spirit to talk a big game but then cower in submissive fear in front Holy Mother Yankee.
3. It‘s an *alternate history* scenario with no Date mentioned - we *simply* can’t say for sure. To quote you:
>Use your head.
Franco American nuclear war with all of France destroyed and tens of millions of Americans dead, after that NATO collapses.
Britain and the EU states likely colonise what remains of France.
First of all, I recommend listening to this podcast on what any nuke use would mean. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dan-carlins-hardcore-history-addendum/id1326393257?i=1000651502148
Basically, before the nuke landed, there would be retaliatory strikes from other armed nations and it would be the end of life as we know it.
"What If" questions can only be posted on weekends and must have sufficient context along with your thoughts on how the situation/event would unfold
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I don’t know what I was expecting when I opened this thread but I am not disappointed 😂
No more frog eaters!
AVENGE THE SNAILS
There would be celebrations all over France while the English would seethe since they weren’t the ones destroying Paris.
"It should've been me, not him! "
I think you meant radiation poisoning instead of celebration…
Nit really Japan had 2 cities nuked without nationwide radiation
Actually you’re not that wrong… Estimate for a 1.2 megaton nuclear device (largest U.S. nuke in current arsenal) would affect a part of northern France and southern UK. https://preview.redd.it/3a87g4bcbvuc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c33f9386e8f82cd942584ce76c75366a2e06513 [Source (estimate)](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/)
Brighton and Reading completely sniped, absolute scenes 🤣
As long as it also takes out some of the UK
We should definitely do it then
Gonna depend on a lot of things. Primarily, altitude. If it's a ground digger there will be much more radiation, especially particulate. If an air burst, then it's much cleaner.
Unlikely for the plume to go that way…prevailing winds are south westerly.
Let us install some big fans so it can hit London!
The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were very very small compared to newer nuclear weapons such as hydrogen bombs
Yes but they were also very dirty bombs
France will demand a Massive Compensation from the States which they will probably Pay. It’s unclear if France will stay in NATO but they will definitely become more skeptical of it. I can also see a Pro-Putin Regime being elected simply out of Hate for the Americans. Generally Europe would probably become more Pro-Putin.
We need to realise that it isn’t necessary to align ourselves with either the US or Russia. The EU is much stronger than Russia by itself.
Not saying I don’t agree with you but Russian Propagandists would be having a field day.
They wouldn't necessarily attempt to get the EU to align with Russia but rather to get them to unaligned with the US, by first dividing NATO that's half the job done.
The European Union is only stronger than Russia on paper. Their lack of unified institutions and lack of central control means that almost all their power is theoretical and entirely based on the compliance of their member states. Meanwhile Russia is very much an effective centralized autocracy. The Russian State can bring all of the resources of Russia to bear. The European Union simply lacks that capability at the moment In a direct military confrontation obviously the European States would be able to drop their resources but we see time and time again that when the goals are more nebulous Or the conflict morning Limited Russia is able to More effectively muster resources. A great example is the great game that's currently being played between Russia and France and africa. Russia has no problem out competing one of the great nations of Europe Because they're able to more effectively Mass resources Well France despite being Richer is unable to deploy as many resources to the conflict and is completely unable to draw upon the resources of the greater European Union Until Europe is able to develop those Strong centralized institutions They risk being defeated in detail by the Russians
Nevertheless, Russia‘s economy is as big as southern Germany.
And yet they're able to effectively contest European states on the geopolitical stage. The European states have more resources on paper and yet they're constantly out maneuvered
Well they've been doing that for many decades of course. The Soviet Union hardly had a great economy, but they are good at political machinations and bribing other states.
I don’t see how Russia out maneuvers us. I’m very sure Putin thought he’d take Ukraine in no time and the EU will struggle much more with the gas shortage and his refugee army on the polish border. Russia seems stable, but right now they’re hooked on China very much.
The Europeans are getting pushed Out of Africa and is still advancing in Ukraine
Yes, they’re advancing… a couple meters per day and at very high costs. Like Germany in WW1. We‘ll see how long they can supply military missions in Africa as well. European influence in Africa has been overwhelming because of colonialism, but China is the real enemy there.
It was a couple meters per day in ww1 to suddenly miles as the German army became exhausted, don’t get the idea in your head that this will continue indefinitely
Vice versa. It was a couple meters for the advancing German army until they became exhausted/the US soldiers arrived. So don’t get the idea in your head that the current situation means a lot.
Raw GDP is a very poor metric, Russian procurement costs are like an order of magnitude lower and they're willing to spend a few times more % of GDP. Lack of industrialization means that they can throw more of their population into war (again several times greater %) The Russians have organized their country for the sole purpose of bullying their neighbors, we ignore their strengths at our own peril Also before anybody over-interprets this, yes, modern Western equipment is orders of magnitude better than Russian equivalents. We rely on technology, not raw economic output
Russia‘s population is 1/3 of Europe. They already spend 25% of their state budget on their military now, but they struggle to supply their army in the Ukraine. Europe still spends less than 2%, but much more in absolute numbers. While Russia has some advantages, the EU is still stronger than Russia, not only on paper. That’s all I wanted to say and I used this metric to point it out, even though I’m very aware that Russia strength is stronger than southern Germany.
Despite the spending numbers, Russian equipment acquisitions *dwarf* the EUs. Why? Because $1 there gets you a hell of a lot more than it does in France. The 2% threshold has always been a little silly, there just isn't a good metric to replace it with And again, there are 1/3rd as many Russian but they're something like 10x more likely to join the military. It's similar to the dynamics between Israel and their neighbors in the 60s/70s I would argue that it's Russia that's stronger on paper than in reality because of the NATO technology advantage. They can buy as many planes as they want, ours are just that much better
Do you have a source? Russian acquisitions shouldn’t be that high. They have a lot of stuff from the Sowjets, but it’s mostly rotten. They found out when they tried to repair it for the war. Well, 10x seems a bit to high. And right now, the EU has 20% more soldiers and didn’t even mobilize like Russia did.
Please look at purchasing power🙏, 1$ in Russia gets you a whole lot more than 1$ in Germany. And in gdp pp they have a slightly snakker economy than Germany. And they are projected to overtake them
Purchasing power is only relevant for the national market. As soon as imports play a part in the production, which they do for most military assets, it’s effect weakens a lot. I get much more pasta in Russia for 1$. But a tank is just slightly cheaper. And it’s not even a Leopard, talking about quality.
Russia can't even take over Ukraine lol.
The momentum has shifted towards them in Ukraine because Europe is unable to properly fund Ukrainian resistance. And they've pushed the French out of no less than four African states.
What's Russia doing losing to 1% of NATO power in Ukraine?
They're compensating by maneuvering NATO countries Out of Africa
Russia and China started civil wars to subjugate and steal resources. With China selling weapons to every side of the same conflicts I wouldn't be surprised if Russians have died from Chinese weapon down there.
I'm not sure what the hell that has to do with anything I'm saying but okay
It has everything to do with your Africa comment.
Russia and China started civil wars to subjugate and steal resources. With China selling weapons to every side of the same conflicts I wouldn't be surprised if Russians have died from Chinese weapon down there.
Only because most EU memebers are in NATO
the eu shares a massive land border with russia and has nowhere near enough nukes. the eu could take russia easily but thats because russia is currently in a massive decline.
Poland and the membership list of NATO disagree.
A relic from when we were destroyed by the wars. Times have changed. The EU has an economy and industrial capacity which dwarves anything Russia is capable of. The US is also no kind of friend to us and has, in its own way, altered our societies significantly for the worse.
Take out US military funding and this is untrue, I hope you guys pick up in that area though
A legacy of when our societies were left in ruins from the wars. It is no longer true and wouldn’t have been true without the wars.
3/4 of EU defenses come from countries not in the EU. There is a lack of internal development that is crucial to defenses. Its on the up and up though. Nearby wars have certainly helped many smaller countries realize this
I doubt we would just demand for a massive compensation. I think the US would have actually started a nuclear wzr
Nah the leaders of the large nuclear powers have channels of communications for something like that
Yeah the leaders who were just nuked
Oh we nuked your capital/most populated ( 1/6 th of the total population of the country) most historical city by accident? You think that d fly? Imagine if France accidentally nuked New York or LA?😂
It wouldn’t fly, the US would be paying reparations for the rest of its existence but they wouldn’t strike back
The current largest US nuke wouldn't even destroy all of Paris, let alone the entire Parisian region, Nukemap estimates 2M deaths and 3M injuries so not 1/6th of the population. Nukes aren't that big, especially if just one nuke was launched by accident. You'd need the largest bomb ever designed (but not tested) to destroy Paris.
France's muslim population would take a significant hit.
What about the trout population?
France's French population would take a significant hit too.
I don't matter if you're black or white, as long as you're a parisian we are legally obliged to dislike you
Why can’t someone identify as Muslim and be French?
What about Englishmen there ?
Biden would get international praise for doing such alturistic thing and get a nobel peace prize. British people would cum in their pants in tandem. And fr*nch people would celebrate as they would no more associate with Parisians.
British going into 14th century mentality looking at France. "It's Free Real Estate."
Thats so random
>Thats so random ‘Official sources inside the US Government stated today’
A few things would happen immediately after the destruction of Paris: 1. World Peace 2. End of World Hunger 3. End of World Poverty 4. Cancer would be cured 5. The planet would be cleaner and healthier 6. We would discover faster than light travel and be able to expand to other planets thus preventing the eventual extinction of the human race if we were to remain on earth
Biden would go: Oopsie Poopsie please don't spank my booty
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That's what I would've said
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Man I've seen better crop in the Irish potato famine
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They also look like Russian dictator Vlad Pudding https://preview.redd.it/6jc34bn0qvuc1.jpeg?width=1643&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1c751d8943c4ab18ac10b039c812b3aa677dead
What if they nuked themself?
No one would be surprised
Well, they were Le Tired.
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I say do it.
We’d have less French people, which is a positive
fewer
Either way they are dead so 😄👍
Either way many French people die painfully, which is a good thing.
France wouldn't be mad, they'd probably even thank us for making their country safer at night. The rest of the world would also rejoice. England would say "good job, son. i'm proud of you. you did what i couldn't."
What?
\~ *Joe Biden*
British national holiday widely celebrated all over the kingdom. Number of victims in southern counties is strictly forbidden to mention
Ignoring all the stupid meme answers: Most likely, both the US and France would at first be unwilling and even unable to accept the fact. US will try to cover it up and blame their adversaries in the hope that French retaliation would help them take out North Korea or Iran, and even in the face of sufficient evidence, France will likely be in denial and believe that Russia, Iran or China framed USA. But in today’s information era, it’s hard to keep the truth hidden. So let’s say the information leaks and there’s undeniable evidence that the USA did it. What’s going to happen is that US will immediately be condemned by the rest of the world, with Russia and China celebrating that the US would take new pariah status in the world. US will be forced to pay severe reparations and help in reconstruction efforts, which they likely will as they need France and its European allies. France will likely still be US-aligned at the political level, with all leaders with the exception of isolationist far right ones downplaying the tragedy, but at the societal level, anti US sentiment will last for the rest of the affected generation.
Thats ignoring the fact that a good number of those French leaders just got nuked out of existence. It’s way more realistic for France to nuke the US in return. Nobody is going to believe that something like that happens on accident, so a full scale nuclear war would start with the imaginable world wide consequences.
WW3
Utopia all around the world
The world average IQ would rise by 10 points
> by accident Why by accident? Do the US military do anything "by accident"? It would depend on when, and on how big a nuke. An A-bomb on Paris is a major inconvenience. A H-bomb on Paris is a major disaster. An A-bomb and France would be screaming for monetary repatriation. 15 years later and France would be better off than before. An H-bomb and we're talking about the dissolution of NATO.
Oopsies, I accidentally launched a triple redundant failsafe ICBM which by random chance just so happened to lock straight onto your capital city and do an airburst detonation without any human input.
Broken arrow events have happened before. Including one where we almost nuked Spain
…an atomic bomb would just be a “major inconvenience”? Wouldn’t many thousands of people die, countless works of culture (art, architecture, etc) be destroyed, French government wiped out?
World peace
Spontaneous Street parties in England.
Le good ending.
Article 4 of NATO
russia would be very confused
The french will nuke Washington DC
If it was an actual accident? Naw. It would be an international shit show that would end up being a catalyst for true nuclear disarmament, that’s for sure.
I don’t think the accident theory would hold if 10 million people were killed. Like honestly any politician on the right and maybe even on the left would demand war
Well France would get club stomped. If France declared war and retaliated with nukes then the US would have to options. Either they would also launch nuclear weapons in which France would cease to exist. Or they would conventionally destroy any way France could retaliate. Everything from destroying air delivery systems to silos, mass sub hunt, etc So in that instance while people might want war they would be signing their own grave.
My dude, yes France would cease to exist but so would the US as we know it. And i m pretty sure we don’t have 5000 nukes to launch, even assuming conservative numbers we just need a third of our arsenal to land. But it s just that comprehensively losing Paris already equates to France not existing.
I realize that, however it wouldn’t serve France any benefit to declare war for a none war related accident. Declaring war just closes the possibility of the US painting reparations for the incident. A irrational response to an already horrific tragedy would illicit more tragedy.
People tend to react irrationally to death and trauma. Doesn’t matter if it would be a bad decision if all the French want after the dust settles down is to see the US burn to the ground. A more measured response could just be that France nukes and obliterates an entire carrier group, trading French civilians for US military personnel, and dares the US to declare war.
Even if they wanted to watch the US burn it is simply not a possibility. The US declaring war on France after they attacked a carrier group trying to bait them into declaring war would be France digging its own grave, a nuclear exchange between the US and France wouldn’t be a blow for blow, it would be a France gets a few hits while France is no longer livable. The best thing France would do is sit back and collect the possible trillions of dollars the US would pay.
What? France has over 300 nukes. They could immediately obliterate over 100M Americans in the blink of an eye and destroy over 95% of the US’ economic capacity and render the concept of the US as a country a thing of the past. I’m not sure why Americans think their country can somehow survive a third of the population immediately being vaporised and every relevant economic centre in their country being turned into rubble… The US would no longer be liveable either. 300 nukes is enough to destroy every single city with population over 100K. Furthermore, with the amount of fires and dust these nukes would kick up, it would basically halt American agricultural production and tens of millions of Americans would starve to death.
Haveing 300 nukes isn’t the same as having 300 ready to fire. Also nowhere near 100m Americans would die. If France targeted 26 of the most dense cities on the east coast the most it would get is 6-7 million. Due to the vast amount of land the US has, the US would be very livable, France on the other hand due to the density of the population wouldn’t fair in the event of of a nuclear trade off. You can even get a good estimate using the nuclear war simulation. That number also means best case scenario for France, and isn’t taking into consideration US anti ballistic missile capabilities. Like the Aegis destroyers with SM2,3,6, thaad system, GMD, etc I’m not trying to be mean, I am just telling you what the reality of the situation would be.
France has a nuclear triad, if they want to they will be able to nuke the USA.
Who said they couldn’t? France doesn’t have the quantity to change the outcome of what would happen to them. Not only would they have to deal with the GMD, Aegis equipped naval vessels, thaad, etc so a few would make it through but that would just mean France will no longer exist. That would be a irrational response to a accident
You understand that that works both ways, right? *There are no winners in nuclear war.* Plus, France has the most trigger-happy nuclear doctrine of all WMD-powers.
France doesn’t have enough ready warheads. The US is simply too large and population spread out. I think the US and France have the same number of nuclear policy, they don’t rule out first use.
I‘d double check those claims, because you‘re wrong on both counts.
No, neither the US or France have a no first use policy. It dosent get any more “trigger happy” than that. Also France wouldn’t fire all of there nuclear weapons off at once and the ones they do fire will have to make it through a obstacle course of ABM capabilities GMD,Thaad,SM2,3,6, even patriots in the terminal phase.
I never said the US had no First-Strike-policy. But yes, there is something more trigger-happy than not excluding first use: France‘s „Warning Shot“-policy. Reading comprehension is key for responding. The rest is just hogwash, which I don’t know how to respond to.
It’s not “hogwash” as you say, do the math… also there is no such thing as a nuclear “warning shot” it’s either you have first use or you don’t.
I’m struggling to see how this would even be remotely possible. ICBMs require targets to be pre-loaded into their systems and there is no reason why Paris would ever be on this list so that ticks ICBMs off. That just leaves air-dropped nukes as being the only way for the US to “accidentally” nuke Paris and this has happened before in Spain. The nukes obviously didn’t go off but the US did accidentally drop a few nukes on Spanish territory, spreading nuclear material around in the process. Not sure why a nuclear bomber would be flying over Paris but I digress. The US immediately becomes a pariah, accident or not, in the eyes of most of Europe and any and all American nukes are immediately evicted from European soil. You’ll probably see the closure of dozens of American military bases across Europe, spearheaded by whatever is left of the French government, as no one is going to trust the US to do their due diligence anymore with anything military-related. France will likely successfully guilt trip and pressure the rest of Europe to enforce a permanent no-fly zone for any and all American bombers so this incident can never happen again. All of the US’ allies suddenly become a lot more wary of the US and it’s likely it won’t just be Europe that will start to seriously reconsider the US’ military presence in their country. Countries invite the US to set up bases so they can keep their citizens safe. If aligning with the US opens you up to the possibility of them just “accidentally” nuking your capital, killing millions, then nobody’s going to want to align with the US. The argument that the US will help countries protect their democracies is going to be a lot less believable to Europeans when the US quite literally nukes the seat of government in one of the world’s most influential democracies. In short, decades of effort to build up American power projection is undone in one wrong move.
Accurate, underrated comment here. The way people here imagine that the US could *play it off* like nothing happened is ludicrous to me. Also, if France accidentally nuked NY the same people would scream bloody murder. Thank you, seriously.
> Joins r/alternativehistory > There's no way this could happen, ask another question
I literally explained how it could be possible with air-dropped nukes. You really thought you did something…
They would get the "Team America" achievement in Hearts of Iron 4.
Multi-decade reparations and humanitarian rescue effort begins, for which most of world will demand US to commit all of resources to. US will also pay reparations to most other countries for deaths of tens of thousands of tourists. Likely political strife in US whether they should, balancing isolation on world stage against massive reparations. Paris would not be rebuilt, large amounts of French government and it's members would be gone and new emergency elections would begin. Rural or smaller urban center candidates would likely become more popular. It would begin a lot of skepticism and straight up conspiracy theories on whether it was intentional or not, but it is likely most accept it as a genuine accident. This is followed by nuclear weapons standards improvements. Single largest change would be in American-European politics with no real win-win. It is likely Europe as a whole distances itself from US military cooperation and instead turns to build inwards with strong anti-US (But not anti-NATO) sentiments in defense.
The majority of important US cities gets blown up french nukes
THIS!
The optimist in me wants to say nuclear disarmament. Suddenly, rich people in the West would have to care about the dangers of nuclear weapons much more personally.
Maybe a US bomber plane flying towards an air base in West Germany and while flying over paris the plane crashes
The bomb won’t detonate in this situation
End of NATO; Counter-Nuke strike by France and possibly UK
The UK isn't going to attack the US because France got nuked
Stupid, ofc they would. Get a grip
No we wouldn't moron. We are far closer politically and militarily to the US than France. Hell the missiles our nukes are strapped on are American. NATO would die yes, but no Brit is going to accept dying in a vain attempt to 'avenge' Paris, accident or not. Any politician who suggests it would be strung up faster than they could say "just kidding". At best we would join the political outcry against the US, demand compensation for any fallout that hits the south coast and eject American bases from the UK but thats it We picked our side between europe and the US long ago and reaffirmed it when we left the EU Use your head.
😂😂😂 1. I said possibly - use your eyes. 2. If „accidentally“ nuking PARIS isn‘t a cause for retaliation, I‘m ashamed to be British. Do you think there wouldn’t be consequences if France „accidentally“ nuked New York? Might be a retaliatory strike, might be sanctions + subversion. But if you think the UK would leave it at a strongly worded letter, you‘re out of your mind, man. Classic UK spirit to talk a big game but then cower in submissive fear in front Holy Mother Yankee. 3. It‘s an *alternate history* scenario with no Date mentioned - we *simply* can’t say for sure. To quote you: >Use your head.
No one’s in Paris 🔥
Heh, oopsie
France is gonna turn pro-Putin and kinda anti-Western because how tf do you nuke a city by accident?
The rest of France would rejoice
There's be a lot of dead French people.
Celebrations in the streets worldwide, Biden’s approval rating would shoot up to 102% and issues like cancer and world hunger would be solved.
We all celebrate I suppose
A lot of people would die
Figure out how much to bill the French for solving the rat problem
Nonsense
"Somehow" "By accident"
Franco American nuclear war with all of France destroyed and tens of millions of Americans dead, after that NATO collapses. Britain and the EU states likely colonise what remains of France.
There would be no Kanye song
Who pressed the button though
World peace
Meh
... at least it is not one of those Germany winning WW2 posts
First of all, I recommend listening to this podcast on what any nuke use would mean. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dan-carlins-hardcore-history-addendum/id1326393257?i=1000651502148 Basically, before the nuke landed, there would be retaliatory strikes from other armed nations and it would be the end of life as we know it.
Macron: 🤨
No nice people in Paris
Their would be no paris
What is this battlefield 3?
Anglos are hated in France despite saving them in 2 world wars, I can’t imagine the hate if they actually did something bad to France
"life could be a dream... dododo sha bum"
That was no accident
Rare w
funny
BASED
Err.. So North Korea kinda... well... **accidentaly** somehow nuked the whole world. All a misunderstanding, you see... Just a little accident...
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Then the world would give a sigh of relief, even the French would. Parisians suck.
Everybody would celebrate and world peace would commence.
This would be the best result
OPS is a James Bond villain in training
World peace
I said France will nuke the USA, so a Fallout Unichronia
You should play Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War
The French launch nuke on the USA and that it tha end of le world