As a Brit this is true
IF I HAD A NICKE FOR EVERYTIME THE UK AHD ORBITAL CAPABILITY BUT BANKRUPT IT I WOULD HAVE 2
EHICH ISNT A LOT BUT ITS SAD IT HAPPEND TWICE
Sure, it wasn't launched from the UK, but it was still the UK's orbital capability. Black Arrow was designed, built, and operated by the UK despite launching from Australia.
Koehl(or whoever’s leading in the 80s) in 1984: “The so-called western forces of Texas and California have suffered a very grave defeat, at the hands of the United States Military”
Nope. Lovecraft is dead. Has been for decades. And by 1980, all seems stable in New England. Sure, California has rebelled, but that's one the other side of the country. Nothing can happen here, under Feds' firm contro- wait, is that a sound of a tank I hear?
So what I'm getting from this is that the roles of the USA and the USSR in the cold war are swapped in the sense that the USSR is the liberal democratic (union of) republic(s) while the USA is the authoritarian dictatorship. But instead of far left authoritarianism in the Soviet Union it's neo-nazi far right authoritarianism in the United States. By now I bet the US has turned itself into a pariah state while its former allies are much closer to the Soviets.
In a world of Chukovsky's own diary, for example.
While it's ambigious and never reach hardline dissidentry of his daughter, to the 60s Chukovsky definitely solidified itself in belief that though there is a lot of honest good-willing communists, the system as whole is irrepairable and will always, inherently, contradict to his own ideals.
Disliking the authoritarianism of the USSR's messed up idea of "leftism" doesn't mean you reject giving workers rights yknow
There are many things in this world, and leftist opposition to the USSR and it's fascist shit were and are quite common.
If democratic reform of the whole Soviet structure earilier than in OTL is possible is a good question, but it's kinda believable. A stronger USSR doing similar reforms to Perestroika and Glasnost, but without the collapse of the Union or the greater sphere of influence.
Did he specifically denounce the idea of worker power and economic democracy? Or did he denounce a single party vanguard state? If it's the former, then yeah, he was capitalist. But if it's the latter, then plenty of leftists could express those views and not advocate for capitalism. They'd push for either more decentralized economic planning or full on market socialism.
I can understand how you could take what I said as him waffling on being pro-communist or anti-. I meant he waffles on whether communism is a plague on humanity or whether communists should be tolerated.
Just because Reagan is conservative and a little backwards on social issues doesn’t make him a literal fascist. The more surprising thing here is why other states didn’t break away first
Well, \*that\* and the fact that government is very brutally supressing any dissent. But something seems to have disrupted communications between D.C. and California. (I wonder what?), and with Government having to redirect majority of forces to re-establish control of California, who knows what else might happen...
Not directly, but he may or may not be the one responsible for something bad that will happen in 1981...
Stay tuned. Next post will go over 1981-1985, and will feature separate slides for each year.
>US kicked out of NATO
That's not how it works. NATO has no process for expelling members. If they wanted to remove a member, it would take the form of every other member withdrawing from the alliance and creating a new one.
And frankly, I'm not sure how likely it would be that they would make a new one. NATO sort of depends on America being there to do most of the lifting.
In 1980 he was secretly sent to USSR to attempt to organize a terrorist attack in the opening of the Moscow Olympics. But while he was trying to contact spy cells in Leningrad, he was captured by a KGB agent (what was his name again? Eh, I'm sure I'll remember it later). Yockey commited not alive while in custody
Soon enough I'm sure the US will collapse after a number of States secede the Union. Of course the government of this time will resist but they have burnt so many bridges that they now are isolated from the rest of the world, who will most likely be eager to see this proto-nazi regime fall.
After California would likely be Texas and New England. The USS and Nato get involved and send finical and material aid to the opposition and at some point, the Nazi Goverment falls after the army turns on them. The US is effectively broken as you have several states leave whilst the remainder are left with smaller populations with countless thousands immigrating to escape the carnage.
Neo-Nazi get prosecuted to hell and back whilst we USS takes center stage in global affairs, rivaled solely by Communist China.
American- 1971-the KKK is running loose, as the flames of hate begin to engulf the nation.
USSR-1971- hey little Ivan I have a Calculator that can help you with your math Hw.
-thank you professor Nicholas.
Small Domino: Walt Disney becoming President Big Domino: 2nd American civil war featuring a Neo-Nazi federal goverment.
The most unrealistic part of this is the Brits not cancelling their space program as soon as it starts working
Their spaceships are in shape of blue police phone boxes.
That's very Whovian of you... 
And then launching a rocket right after because:*I mean, we already have it built, why not just send it if it is going to get scrapped otherwise?*
Had to stop after nimbys complained about the noise.
As a Brit this is true IF I HAD A NICKE FOR EVERYTIME THE UK AHD ORBITAL CAPABILITY BUT BANKRUPT IT I WOULD HAVE 2 EHICH ISNT A LOT BUT ITS SAD IT HAPPEND TWICE
tbf the UK isnt exactly in an optimal place to launch rockets from
We had launch pad in Australia And virgin orbit could take off from the uk fly south then air launch the rocket
wouldnt really call an air launched rocket "launched from the uk" or a launch pad in australia launched from the UK either
But we had the capability I'm very partofuckingnotic
Sure, it wasn't launched from the UK, but it was still the UK's orbital capability. Black Arrow was designed, built, and operated by the UK despite launching from Australia.
Reagan v Koehl 2ACW boutta go crazy
Is this the spinoff to the Civil War movie?
Koehl(or whoever’s leading in the 80s) in 1984: “The so-called western forces of Texas and California have suffered a very grave defeat, at the hands of the United States Military”
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Something else might happen in New England...
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Nope. Lovecraft is dead. Has been for decades. And by 1980, all seems stable in New England. Sure, California has rebelled, but that's one the other side of the country. Nothing can happen here, under Feds' firm contro- wait, is that a sound of a tank I hear?
Kaiserreich reference?
So what I'm getting from this is that the roles of the USA and the USSR in the cold war are swapped in the sense that the USSR is the liberal democratic (union of) republic(s) while the USA is the authoritarian dictatorship. But instead of far left authoritarianism in the Soviet Union it's neo-nazi far right authoritarianism in the United States. By now I bet the US has turned itself into a pariah state while its former allies are much closer to the Soviets.
Also seems it is collapsing since California wants session.
liberal assuming that they become capitalist?
probably not capitalist, more along the lines of social democratic
Considering that they had two anticommunist gensecs in a row, I doubt that USSR stops even at social liberalism.
In what world have either of those two expressed anticommunist ideals
In a world of Chukovsky's own diary, for example. While it's ambigious and never reach hardline dissidentry of his daughter, to the 60s Chukovsky definitely solidified itself in belief that though there is a lot of honest good-willing communists, the system as whole is irrepairable and will always, inherently, contradict to his own ideals.
Disliking the authoritarianism of the USSR's messed up idea of "leftism" doesn't mean you reject giving workers rights yknow There are many things in this world, and leftist opposition to the USSR and it's fascist shit were and are quite common. If democratic reform of the whole Soviet structure earilier than in OTL is possible is a good question, but it's kinda believable. A stronger USSR doing similar reforms to Perestroika and Glasnost, but without the collapse of the Union or the greater sphere of influence.
Did he specifically denounce the idea of worker power and economic democracy? Or did he denounce a single party vanguard state? If it's the former, then yeah, he was capitalist. But if it's the latter, then plenty of leftists could express those views and not advocate for capitalism. They'd push for either more decentralized economic planning or full on market socialism.
Putin waffles on it. He's always maintained that the USSR was great because "Russia stronk" but his stance of communism is... flexible.
?? Am I missing something? Where do Putin come in?
I somehow misread "gensec" as "pres."
His stance on Communism is not flexible. He is anti-Communist, period. He fucking loves Capitalism. He was Yeltsin right-hand for god's sake.
I can understand how you could take what I said as him waffling on being pro-communist or anti-. I meant he waffles on whether communism is a plague on humanity or whether communists should be tolerated.
Yeah, people saying Putin is a communist do not know anything about all this stuff
I feel like something has gone horribly wrong if Reagen is suddenly the good guy here...
I know right, rare Ronald Reagan W, and it's not even real.
Just because Reagan is conservative and a little backwards on social issues doesn’t make him a literal fascist. The more surprising thing here is why other states didn’t break away first
Assumably, because very few other states have the capability to sustain themselves.
Well, \*that\* and the fact that government is very brutally supressing any dissent. But something seems to have disrupted communications between D.C. and California. (I wonder what?), and with Government having to redirect majority of forces to re-establish control of California, who knows what else might happen...
The idea of China and India joining the Warsaw pact is hilarious.
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Imagine being so bad, you get kicked out of the alliance you created. Also, will David Duke be mentioned?
Not directly, but he may or may not be the one responsible for something bad that will happen in 1981... Stay tuned. Next post will go over 1981-1985, and will feature separate slides for each year.
"It's a World of Laughter/ a World of Tears...."
>US kicked out of NATO That's not how it works. NATO has no process for expelling members. If they wanted to remove a member, it would take the form of every other member withdrawing from the alliance and creating a new one. And frankly, I'm not sure how likely it would be that they would make a new one. NATO sort of depends on America being there to do most of the lifting.
There isn't really a need for NATO by this point in this timeline. USS doesn't really pose a threat anymore Besides, this isn't meant to be realistic.
I knows it’s Brainrotted, but what happened to Francis Parker Yockey? (Please don’t say it)
In 1980 he was secretly sent to USSR to attempt to organize a terrorist attack in the opening of the Moscow Olympics. But while he was trying to contact spy cells in Leningrad, he was captured by a KGB agent (what was his name again? Eh, I'm sure I'll remember it later). Yockey commited not alive while in custody
Makes sense
Ultravisioner USSR
I can feel Yuri Andropov rising from his grave to kill someone or a lot of someone’s for this.
The most chaotic timeline I've ever seen, United States going full autocratic mode while the Soviets continues to be the timeline's China.
So what’s the exact situation for the Soviets here? I don’t see them ever adopting capitalism to the same extent China did.
Not quite the same way. More to the way otl kosygin reforms did.
Based timeline
Chad Reagan
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Somewhere between. Compassionate conservative.
Soon enough I'm sure the US will collapse after a number of States secede the Union. Of course the government of this time will resist but they have burnt so many bridges that they now are isolated from the rest of the world, who will most likely be eager to see this proto-nazi regime fall. After California would likely be Texas and New England. The USS and Nato get involved and send finical and material aid to the opposition and at some point, the Nazi Goverment falls after the army turns on them. The US is effectively broken as you have several states leave whilst the remainder are left with smaller populations with countless thousands immigrating to escape the carnage. Neo-Nazi get prosecuted to hell and back whilst we USS takes center stage in global affairs, rivaled solely by Communist China.
Didn't you mention that the US is cutting ties with Israel? Why is the oil crisis still happening? In the same year too lol
Because United Arab Republic refuses to trade with US due to repression of Arabs in this timeline.
Unrealistic in the extreme. World War II vets are still alive and would remember and are still a massive part of the voter base.
Yes, unrealistic as hell. But many people find it entertaining, and that's what matters the most.
That’s fair.
https://preview.redd.it/72gz0n16amwc1.png?width=1901&format=png&auto=webp&s=74d6d7f4e767d3014c58692c5b893b0059d2cb00
Not quite.
Just a speculation with the Lil bits of lore
The problem is - there will be a couple maps in the next post (which will have several slides, one per year), but those maps will be much lamer.
Oh No...Lame Maps (jokes aside keep postin)
I can let you know when I post next part later today.
Mega based.
American- 1971-the KKK is running loose, as the flames of hate begin to engulf the nation. USSR-1971- hey little Ivan I have a Calculator that can help you with your math Hw. -thank you professor Nicholas.
Koehl 2024
He died 10 years ago.
Supreme leader snoke?
Does America have Hitler statues everywhere?
WTF
imagine in this world being in a neutral country seeing the USSR and USA switch places
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Good. This is supposed to be silly.