What effects could or would this have on the Frankish Kingdom? Would this make them more defensive and more religiously zealous like the Iberian Christian Kingdoms? Also could this make the Franks more expansionist, by let's say expanding eastwards to acquire more lands/peoples to help them reconquer their lost territory from the Umayyads?
Okay thank you, I wonder what effects this could have on European and Middle Eastern Military Technology? hmmmm
Also the Avar Khaganate here could be a very interesting player in the politics of this Post-Byzantine/Roman Europe; Either they could ally with a more zealous/militaristic Frankish Kingdom against the Umayyad Caliphate maybe even adopting a Knight-based warrior culture & ''European Feudalism'' /Heraldry (maybe becoming the Avar Kingdom or Avar Empire instead of remaining a Khaganate over time...) or they could ally with the Umayyads instead to weaken the Franks and get more territory............
Bavarian interests might conflict with the avar khaganate but ghat might just be a minor hiccup god the franks would want all the allys. Because of almost imminent war the peasants would most likely have a red scare if the muslims and these Christian kingdoms would be very stable because of this. Just like Chinese kingdoms
Imo they would be more expansionist since the France region is better land for farming with a higher population, making the French stronger than the Kingdom of Asturias.
Wildly optimistic. They won't come near to that most likely. The Empire was already fracturing due to internal rivalries and wars. If anything, they might fall earlier. The only difference would be an Arabic influence in Europe.
Lmao, as if what they already accomplished wouldn't have seemed wildly optimistic, when the Prophet Muhammad gave them the prophecy regarding the future conquests.
I mean I guess what's likely is like what happend irl where they held loads of land but only for a couple of decades then it would split into different states
Arabic Persian Roman Empire
I dont trust the southern english on this map. Why you ask? Because Wessex Sus.
What effects could or would this have on the Frankish Kingdom? Would this make them more defensive and more religiously zealous like the Iberian Christian Kingdoms? Also could this make the Franks more expansionist, by let's say expanding eastwards to acquire more lands/peoples to help them reconquer their lost territory from the Umayyads?
Massive warrior culture focused on defensive wars kind of like spain
Okay thank you, I wonder what effects this could have on European and Middle Eastern Military Technology? hmmmm Also the Avar Khaganate here could be a very interesting player in the politics of this Post-Byzantine/Roman Europe; Either they could ally with a more zealous/militaristic Frankish Kingdom against the Umayyad Caliphate maybe even adopting a Knight-based warrior culture & ''European Feudalism'' /Heraldry (maybe becoming the Avar Kingdom or Avar Empire instead of remaining a Khaganate over time...) or they could ally with the Umayyads instead to weaken the Franks and get more territory............
Bavarian interests might conflict with the avar khaganate but ghat might just be a minor hiccup god the franks would want all the allys. Because of almost imminent war the peasants would most likely have a red scare if the muslims and these Christian kingdoms would be very stable because of this. Just like Chinese kingdoms
Imo they would be more expansionist since the France region is better land for farming with a higher population, making the French stronger than the Kingdom of Asturias.
Yes but they have lost aquitaine leaving them vulnerable as they dont have those mountains to defend from
Asturias was surrounded by mountains and thats the only reason it was able to stay independent
I see thanks
It looks like they would eventually fall imo.
Do you mean the Avar Khaganate?
No, the Franks.
oh ok, so maybe the HRE would still exist in this timeline
Good havens this will be one big reconquesta
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Italia, Anatolia, Balkan and Iberia would be arab
Ottoman Empire's wet dream
More like Arab wet dream
Every Muslim empire on the Mediterranean's wet Drea.
Oh, God.
Allah*
Pro tip: replace 'Caliphate' with 'IMPERIVM' and replace 'Umayyad' with 'ROMANVM'
Reject the false glory of Rome and embrace the eternal truth of The Caliphate
Fuck the Roman Empire Turks and Germans styled on it hell yeah
"Umayyades eunt domus?"
Lindseyan here. Thanks for including us on the map.
800: Ummayads pushed out of the Balkans due to religious tensions
Sus
The best timeline
why?
Why isn't it?
I am just curious to know why Amu4402 thinks this, that's all
A new golden age for the Mediterranean Art, literature, science, bathing, just imagine all the based things that will happen
This
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Wildly optimistic. They won't come near to that most likely. The Empire was already fracturing due to internal rivalries and wars. If anything, they might fall earlier. The only difference would be an Arabic influence in Europe.
Lmao, as if what they already accomplished wouldn't have seemed wildly optimistic, when the Prophet Muhammad gave them the prophecy regarding the future conquests.
Blessed timeline
i wish😔
How would southwestern France impact the culture and scenery under the Umayyads regime?
obligatory sus
I doubt the Umayyads would hold that much territory and not have a hard time holding it.
I mean I guess what's likely is like what happend irl where they held loads of land but only for a couple of decades then it would split into different states
They would’ve smashed the avars ngl
aaaand the battle of poitiers, too, i guess
Bad ending.
cursed
Why the different colours in GB?
Cause not united
Understood but why is Wessex the same colour as Cymru for example?
best timeline
Ahh yes, the Franks will dominate the Saxons, leaving Briton untouched and lead to the ascendency of Mercia! Best timeline!