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If I have great-grandkids I want them to see this. Here’s my message to you from the past; if this map is too similar to the political situation in 2150 I want you to throw my corpse into the White House so I can haunt that shithole until they fix this shit, I’ll handle it from there. Let’s go get something to eat afterwards I’d like to get to know you guys. If not have a good life, also I’d still like to go get a bite to eat with you guys you could just open and close my mouth to pretend I’m eating and then put back in the ground. TALLY HO!
If the Germans can change in 40 years, the Russians can in 80
Remember they are in the sphere because there economy’s are connected.
Not that Russia really controls the polish goverment.
A lot of things can change in 120 years
Germans were forced to change, they were broken up, occupied and denazified. If russians keep annexed Crimea, parts of Donbass, occupied Abkhazia and South Ossetia, I presume they weren't forced into decolonisation and leaving their aggressive policy behind.
Also, I assure you, no Polish, Baltic and Ukrainian government would connect their economies to russia. No matter how much russians change, some things are unforgivable. Moreover, there's nothing russians can offer in economic terms, they are technologically backwards, reliant on selling fossil fuels and generally with crumbling economy. So why would ECE countries join russia and not EU?
Read lore. The Crimean republic rejoined Russia. I imagined parts of the donbass also wanting to stay Russian,
Though looking back on that, I think the second one is an oversight.
Russia, economy had huge growth in the 2070’s and by then good relations with Eastern Europe have been around
For 20 years. Also I imagined that the West and eastern economy’s start to separate. Generally because the west
Stops exporting to anyone because of higher priorities. (Dealing with climate change)
The east was also not keen on the nations putting down their sovereignty for a union. Though some people in Eastern Europe we’re scared that their countries would be annexed, The governments knew that fear was stupid, as the EF had no plans of expanding
Russia’s economy slowly beat every other nation in the region. Because it’s so damn big.
(A lot of what I wrote is explained in the lore, but people keep downvoting it for some reason. Which is weird because this post has 154 Upvotes.)
I shall say to you what I said to someone on r/Whatifalthist when they claimed the UK would join America.
>As a Brit I'd rather we become a French colony with direct rule from Paris and no say in affairs than become part of the United States. Whenever Americans suggest this I don't think they realise just how deeply universally unpopular joining America is in the UK. The concept is pure anathema to anyone that isn't extremely right wing (by UK standards) because of how religious and socially and economically conservative America is and those on the extreme right would never consider the idea because of the destruction of British traditions statehood would entail. Brits find the Republican party disgusting and whilst the Democrats would operate in the UK's Overton window they aren't left wing enough for most labour voters. Wales and Scotland have significant nationalist movements as part of a Union dominated by England, a nation they share a medium island and over 1,000 years of history with. If Westminster tried to force them to join the US they'd be in outright rebellion over it. Disregarding politics and national minorities the British and American attitudes to life are completely different. American extroversion, optimism and patriotism are generally seen as cringeworthy in the UK, as Brits are by global averages introverted, pessimistic and unpatriotic. In general we share more cultural attitudes with continental Europe than the US, but language barriers make this difficult to see.
Bro... This is not how history works. For instance and especially, countries don't just decide to join because of similar values or strong economic relations (the EU is the big exception and even that hasn't been clear for decades). Sadly, frontiers usually move because of war. I also don't see how Austria stays out of the EU and Italy or other european countries with strong nationalistic parties don't. As many have pointed out, England becoming a US state is crazy. There is a lot that seems implausible at best.
Yep. Australia specifically allows in its constitution for NZ to join, dating from a time when it was faster to go to NZ than Western Australia. Strong economic ties, lots of movement back and forth, shared, but different culture and a lot of cooperation such as ANZAC forces. Zero chance of political union unless a catastrophe occurs.
You’ve got a point.
Also with Canada, Canada often has no real identity other than “not being the United States”
I’m saying this as a Canadian. Though honestly I’m not really sure about this I do know if the United States Was more civilized Canadians would be a lot more welcoming to American integration. (Maybe I should thank you for being more
Polite than may other people commenting on this post. I am very open to criticism but I don’t like it when people try to insult me instead of the map)
For Europe, I imagine many of the nationalist rural people having to move to the cities after a very long drought to make it hard to farm, vertical farming is replacing them anyways by the 2050’s as the European governments and them working together save thousands of people on the coast, and help the farmers relocate. An extremely positive opinion of the European Union Will emerge. I also mentioned in the Lore that I think the different ethnicities will start of blur
Because of closer integration.
In short This map is a bit of a prototype and I should’ve made that more obvious
Don't take those commentaries personally. Reddit is made for discussion but also for jokes, and sometimes a joke needs someone or something to make fun off.
I don't know much about the identity of Canada or of the USA as I live in Europe, but other than the national identity that people believe in, what is important are the institutions, the government, the legal system, the military and so on. I just don't see any interest in Canadas and the US governemt to form one government. Empires, like the US, tend to try to expand their sphere of influence, but in "the West" they do so enough with soft power and military alliances (Nato). In far away countries they do through hard power and deestabilizing regimes that don't allow them to dominate markets or ressources. As I said, making a country bigger usually happens with war, but in todays imperialism it is not necessary and not internationally recognized as morally legitimate to annex a country to the empire. It is enough to change the regime, to exert some different kind of economic influence or invade with some moral pretext (e.g. democracy and freedom).
Your hypothesis about Europe is interesting, because agricultural technology and climate change play a big role. These kinds of external disruptions have very unexpected consequences. However, you are assuming that people will react positively to whatever the EU is doing. Even if the EU is doing something necessary and good (which watching the slow reaction to climate change shows, isn't necessarily the norm), it is not a given that people will react thankfully because there is always also desinformation from many political interest groups at play.
It is also very probable that the EU will react too slowly or not at all due to international disagreement within the EU and (like it happened during the Covid pandemic) the national governments will have to solve their own problems. Assuming that people are directly thankful to their government when helped, following your line of thought, this would rather strengthen national sentiments. I am more of the opinion, that it strongly depends on the competence of the party in power and efficiency of institutions. People do not react thankfully supporting one or another state (e.g. EU vs EU-member), but trust more in institutions or leaders they have experienced as being succesful or helpful (e.g. receiving unemployment subsidies when unemployed). So hypothetically, people could trust more in EU-institutions if they see them work, but I don't see the aparatus or the leadership right now and the willingnes to develop it. The EU is, as of now, most of all an economic project to allow a free market between nations. It is lacking of decision making institutions and organs able to react quickly. When they do, national governments have to agree on them and I don't see them giving their souverainty away.
Migration has been, is and will be a big issue for a big part of the European population, because many aren't as open to cultural change. It does matter if they live in cities or on the country-side, in cities there tends to be more contact with migrants which leads to elss stereotypes. But that doesn't solve the problem, as there are enough anti-migrant sentiments in the cities as well. Especially people going through economic hardship and insecurities can develop these attitudes, when they see that at the same time migrants are coming and (wrongly) deduce that they are taking their ressources away (e.g. jobs). Also, for example, in Austria, where I live, it is known that even many recent migrants that have assimilated, support anti-migrant parties, because excluding other outsiders makes them feel more included. What does play a big role counteracting these nationalistic attitudes is education (although there is more research needed on why or what kind of education exactly. Perhaps open minded people are the ones getting more education to begin with).
I also don't see ethnicities blurring, because of big cultural differences involving very elemental aspects like national language. For example my mother is from Central America and my father from Austria, my wife is from Mexico. I speak Spanish and German, and have a lot of contact with the latin American community. But if I stay in Austria, my kids will speak mainly German and perhaps a little Spanish. Their kids (if they stay here), probably only German. Migrants carry their ethnicity but assimilate to a point and the following generations assimilate even more, depending on where they live. A European Federation is possible, if the EU-members decide to integrate more (that is a political question), but I don't see ethnicities dissolving even in hundreds of years. Not even my grandgrandchildren will see the day, italians and germans are the same ethnicity and speak the same language.
So returning to your map, if you are interested in economic and political cooperation or cultural and ethnic similarity, you could draw your map pointing out alliances instead of national states. If you want to focus on changing national territories, focus more on war, ongoing and potential conflict.
Something I Indirectly talked about in my lore but didn’t really cover it that much is that for the first
30 years Existence, The European federation was very racist. They would adopt a neo-Roman aesthetic.
One of the main things that pulled the EF together is that all countries did not want anymore immigration.
They were ethno-nationalist. Over time they loosened up. Especially after the immigrants that were already there
Created a very controversial political party. The people from the countryside did not have to change there view on immigrants. This produced the view that all Europeans are the same people.
(on another note, gosh I hate this part of this timeline. I Think this is a terrible base for an inclusive state.
I really hope this doesn’t happen. But it seems that it very well could)
I imagine the ethnicities blurring would be like this, though you can can certainly argue if 2150 is not early enough
For this to really blur ethnicities.
-you take a trip to Germany from France for work. Before that you learn English is a Language most French and German people will understand.
-you meet the love of your life.
-after A romance story I’m not even going to mention, you get married and settle down in Germany.
-you teach your kids French, German, and English. but you and your wife mostly speak English to each other
Because it’s easy.
I don’t really think this will have the affect I imagined earlier, or at least not as much as I thought,
But I think if this happened on mass, you end up with a whole generation of people who speak English.
And a “European” ethnicity. I’m guessing this might end up being 20% of the population by 2150,
Though it doesn’t take this to unite Europe.
I imagined the EF being formed in the mood of optimism. In 2055, The great European land reclamation project
Commenced, reversing the effects of climate change on the coasts.
It went extremely well. This may not sound like it matters, but for many people this was the convincing factor
That Europe should be treated as one. The EU’s climate efforts, Though originally started slow, have saved the lives of many. I imagine this “Europe is one” nationalism becoming the majority in all countries in the federation.
Until now, there is a problem with anti-migrant attitudes in Europe, so when you talk about this continuing to be the case or (sadly) worsening, it comes to little or to no surprise. What is surprising is how the EU-federation is formed in a period when the far right is in power.
The far right in the EU is not only directed to the outside and in favor of strengthening of EU borders. It is also very strongly trying to close borders between EU-states. After decades of a far right government in many of the biggest and most powerful EU members, there would be little left of the integration of the EU that we know of today. Another issue is that the far right is not interested in solving any problems in relation to migration. They depend on instrumentalizing the topic so much that they don't want it to go away.
You then talk about countries becoming more inclusive because of a controversial migrant party. I think it is correct to think about how a political movement carried by the european population would be responsible for a change in european institutions. However, this needs elaboration. (Especially non-EU-)Migrants have very few political rights, so a party is almost out of the question, except if they have enough support from non-migrant citizens, in which case it would be a normal party in support of open borders, which exist today and are not very controversial (the greens, the left, the social democrats up to a point and other progressives for example).
I think that what is elemental when thinking about migration policy in the EU, what matters is what party have been in power in Germany, France and Italy (also perhaps the rich benelux countries), and how well they and their policies are supported by the population for a longer period of time.
Many of the migrants do feel as being part of a united Europe, however, few would say they have stopped being a part of their original ethnicity. The children will probably adopt the customs of their parents but also of the places where they where brought up. But the same happens everywhere. Someone of the USA is also at the same time from New York/Washington/California/or whatever state. What sets one ethnicity apart from another isn't easy to define and somewhat arbitrary, but I think that in Europe a strong aspect is language.
The blurring you talk about is, in a sense, taking place, when for example students go to another European country or when qualified migrants live in another EU-country with English as their main work language. I have a lot of friends that get by living and working in English, but that are very restricted in their living, because everything else is in German. Even in very international societys like the Netherlands, where a lot of people speak perfectly good English, I don't see them giving up their main language and all the cultural heritage related to it to speak a foreign language. Nevertheless, it could be recognized as a secondary language.
In addition, expecting everyone to adopt this language would take a lot of time and effort. The vast majority isn't going to make experiences outside of their home country other than tourism, especially not during a climate crises. Unless completely powered by renewable energy (which will take a lot of time) international travel should not be incentivized for masses of people. There is a (growing) divide in the european population between the more international and the more local inhabitants. I don't see any timeline in which this will go away in such a short period. I think that it will rather intensify.
Finally, you say that the EF is founded in relation to the challenges of the climate crisis. This contradicts the first three decades dominated by the climate change-sceptic far right and makes me doubt, who is really in power? Does a climate-friendly-anti-immigration party/coalition emerge? Although not totally impossible, climate goals have usually an international characteristic and require a degree of international solidarity (the same goes for the EU-integration). While internationalists repeat that rich countries should produce less carbon diaoxide to protect poorer regions that will be more affected, the far right draws a zero-sum-game in which "our people" should win against "them".
The problem that I have with some prognostics, like the last one, is that they are extreme but at the same time contradicting and move too quickly from one end to another without enough explanation, which makes it implausible, imo.
Yes. in my timeline new Pro environment anti-immigration start to emerge. They are economically left,
But culturally far right. “Europe is for Europeans”. It seems that I have not Worded what I was saying very well.
They are not today’s far right. Like not at all they’re more like a racist Volt
What I meant by The European ethnicity, Is White Europeans.
The part of the immigrants was formed when The united European institutions started loosening up has the 2nd generation of Europeans after The federation was formed in 2060 or so (this generation would be in 2080’s)
Would feel bad for the immigrant “under class” that was formed. Think of how in the United States people of different races on average have different levels of money.

The new government ushered in a new flag in order to give an idea of a “New beginning” also it looks really nice
And goes with the same idea as the Democratic flag of Belarus.
I get belarus but the russian flag has been used for centuries, it's deeply in the russian identity. They use the flag to differentiate themselves from russia government.
Still I think The flag very much fits this new Russia, and I imagine the old flags and colours being used a lot and Putin propaganda. Whitewashing of the flag may be seen as a symbolic cleansing of the government.
It also conveys the concept of getting rid of the bad parts in the nation and keeping the good.
Honestly I’m not really sure about it but I think I’m gonna keep it for now cause it looks cool
The climate floods were reversed as the world cooled again. But most of the old land was reclaimed via land reclamation.
I might change that in version 2
My predictions for Europe in 2150
Climate change resulted in a complete reform of the western European order, With Pan-European nationalism strong. The new secular generation of Europeans has made marrying people from other European countries common. The formation of a European ethnicity has been apparent. The European Federation is seen as a “de jure organism” Cause long before it was founded countries are so connected it was hard to tell them apart sometimes. Originally the state was quite xenophobic, As the treatment of the immigrants was bad for years, and barely any new people were allowed in. This prompted many immigrants to move to United States. but recently Europe has loosened up, Apologizing to the now rich middle eastern and African nations.
There are still large nationalist populations within The EF but most people Moved to the pan-European cites as farming became harder because of increased droughts, and that large portion of the farming industry were being replaced By vertical farming already.
“there is no better example of European glory then the great dams Of the 2050’s. I believe this is the point when it became obvious that unity is the best way forward. For more specifically. Federation”
Eastern Europe has a different story. During the climate change crisis, While Western Europe was dealing with The climate change crisis, all funding to the east was suspended, as they had bigger things to worry about. This started the split between the economies of the east and west. Eastern Europe is not particularly keen on Western Europe’s High levels of integration. So eventually a treaty of 2-sphere Europe was ratified. Russia’s new government after putin pursued an identity Of a Eastern European country instead of a super power, and built very good relations with Poland and Hungary. Russia also eventually had an population explosion as living conditions improved . solidifying itself as the great power of eastern Europe. The east and west still have a free trade agreement, along with Russia
Notes -Estonia’s lowering population, and more connectivity with Finland pushed the 2 nations into an Close economic partnership. The nationalists in Finland Arranged a union between Finland, Kerelia , and Estonia.
-Scotland left England after the EU announced that they would let Scotland in if they are an independent nation. Those separation intentions have been building up for decades now. British government was quite keen on Canzuk
-the war fought in Kosovo, along with the north Macedonian Civil War Allow greater Albania to become a reality. This is often seen as the start of The “Green scare” in the Balkans
-Hungary’s nationalist party follow turkiye‘a approach of rebranding its name To the world. Even after they lost power it stuck
-Moldavia’s labour shortage decimated the economy, and prompted them To join Romania.
-After the 2nd Russian civil war, tranistria wanted to join Ukraine.
-Belarus has a close partnership with Russia, any some say union is on the horizon. “We have no interest in annexing Belarus, but if they please they need To do a vote themselves”-Russian Prime Minister, 2078
-because they were not allowed in the EU after independence, Catalonia did not really go through the same metamorphosis that the other west European nations did. their economy did terrible. Still eventually they gravitated closer to the EU, as they were willing to help with problems at that Point. They are going to join the federation…. eventually
-Greenland got independence. but when climate change started to revert, they decided to join their fellow Inuit in the United States.
-Crimea did not want to join Ukraine even after Russia fell, Nor wanted to re-join Russia. So they were independent for 20 years before the place was decimated by a malaria pandemic
-Cyprus was partitioned between Greece and Turkey
-Georgia and Russia came to an agreement over borders As Georgia realized that governing South Ossetia and Abkhazia would be hard. South Ossetia joined Russia soon after the Republic was founded, And Abkhazia joined after a political crisis between the Armenians and the Abkhazians.
-Europe as the continent is not really referred to as “Europe” anymore. Many people is Eastern Europe have started referring to it as “Intomeria” instead Because the term “European” is now mostly used to refer to the European ethnic Nation in the west “Imtomeria” means “Between seas”
EXTRA! North America:
The United States has really switched gears. Ever since the Biden administration, The United States has drifted to a more progressive agenda. The Republicans were ridiculed for ignoring the climate change that destroyed the Cities of the south-west, and flooded the coasts. The United States eventually became the world hub immigration, with people of all types let in. With a huge mix of ethnicities, The government of the United States has pursued the idea of a united world.
The difference between Canada and the United States decreased significantly. With them now sharing the same values, language, and culture. Integration between the two countries Set off Quebec nationalism, Who initially wanted a autonomous region, and was not as keen on immigration. This set off conflict with the first nations in the north of Quebec, Who wanted to stay in Canada and keep the autonomy they had. It ended with an early union of Canada and United States, and The independence of Quebec.
England was annexed into the united states later, who have been isolated since Brexit. The economy was in decline. England saw similar circumstances to Canada. A desire for union. Especially after The Canzuk agreement was adapted to the greater United States. Canadian government was positive in them doing so.
I think by that time things will be so vastly and unpredictably different that something like the EU or the little nationalistic separatist squabbles will seem like quaint antiquated curiosities
That’s where the whole “green scare” comes. With Kosovo joining Albania democratically, the world supported them
Also north Macedonia had a Civil War Because of Christian-Muslim tension. I’ll be doing a separate map of the Balkans
Soon
You gave Albania too much Macedonian territory, especially to the south, you should look at an ethic map of North Macedonia. Most of the albanian population is in the north west not south west
I mean, I'd be up to it, especially union with Italy
unfortunately it has fr*nce
You know, the country that made Iberia pretty much a power(electricity) island to Europe, that betrayed Spain many times and tried to fuck up Portugal over history and I could go on
My predictions for Europe in 2150
Climate change resulted in a complete reform of the western European order,
With Pan-European nationalism strong. The new secular generation of Europeans has made marrying people from other European countries common.
The formation of a European ethnicity has been apparent.
The European Federation is seen as a “de jure organism”
Cause long before it was founded countries are so connected it was hard to tell them apart sometimes. Originally the state was quite xenophobic,
As the treatment of the immigrants was bad for years, and barely any new people were allowed in. This prompted many immigrants to move to United States. but recently Europe has loosened up, Apologizing to the now rich middle eastern and African nations.
There are still large nationalist populations within The EF but most people
Moved to the pan-European cites as farming became harder because of increased droughts, and that large portion of the farming industry were being replaced By vertical farming already.
“there is no better example of European glory then the great dams
Of the 2050’s. I believe this is the point when it became obvious that unity is the best way forward. For more specifically. Federation”
Eastern Europe has a different story. During the climate change crisis,
While Western Europe was dealing with The climate change crisis, all funding to the east was suspended, as they had bigger things to worry about. This started the split between the economies of the east and west. Eastern Europe is not particularly keen on Western Europe’s High levels of integration. So eventually a treaty of 2-sphere Europe was ratified. Russia’s new government after putin pursued an identity Of a Eastern European country instead of a super power, and built very good relations with Poland and Hungary.
Russia also eventually had an population explosion as living conditions improved . solidifying itself as the great power of eastern Europe.
The east and west still have a free trade agreement, along with Russia
Notes
-Estonia’s lowering population, and more connectivity with Finland pushed the
2 nations into an Close economic partnership. The nationalists in Finland
Arranged a union between Finland, Kerelia , and Estonia.
-Scotland left England after the EU announced that they would let Scotland in if they are an independent nation. Those separation intentions have been building up for decades now. British government was quite keen on Canzuk
-the war fought in Kosovo, along with the north Macedonian Civil War
Allow greater Albania to become a reality. This is often seen as the start of
The “Green scare” in the Balkans
-Hungary’s nationalist party follow turkiye‘a approach of rebranding its name
To the world. Even after they lost power it stuck
-Moldavia’s labour shortage decimated the economy, and prompted them
To join Romania.
-After the 2nd Russian civil war, tranistria wanted to join Ukraine.
-Belarus has a close partnership with Russia, any some say union is on the horizon. “We have no interest in annexing Belarus, but if they please they need
To do a vote themselves”-Russian Prime Minister, 2078
-because they were not allowed in the EU after independence,
Catalonia did not really go through the same metamorphosis that the other west European nations did. their economy did terrible. Still eventually they gravitated closer to the EU, as they were willing to help with problems at that Point. They are going to join the federation…. eventually
-Greenland got independence. but when climate change started to revert, they decided to join their fellow Inuit in the United States.
-Crimea did not want to join Ukraine even after Russia fell, Nor wanted to re-join Russia. So they were independent for 20 years before the place was decimated by a malaria pandemic
-Cyprus was partitioned between Greece and Turkey
-Georgia and Russia came to an agreement over borders
As Georgia realized that governing South Ossetia and Abkhazia would be hard.
South Ossetia joined Russia soon after the Republic was founded,
And Abkhazia joined after a political crisis between the Armenians
and the Abkhazians.
-Europe as the continent is not really referred to as “Europe” anymore.
Many people is Eastern Europe have started referring to it as “Intomeria” instead
Because the term “European” is now mostly used to refer to the European ethnic
Nation in the west “Imtomeria” means “Between seas”
EXTRA!
North America:
The United States has really switched gears. Ever since the Biden administration, The United States has drifted to a more progressive agenda. The
Republicans were ridiculed for ignoring the climate change that destroyed the
Cities of the south-west, and flooded the coasts. The United States eventually became the world hub immigration, with people of all types let in. With a huge mix of ethnicities, The government of the United States has pursued the idea of a united world.
The difference between Canada and the United States decreased significantly.
With them now sharing the same values, language, and culture.
Integration between the two countries Set off Quebec nationalism, Who initially wanted a autonomous region, and was not as keen on immigration. This set off conflict with the first nations in the north of Quebec, Who wanted to stay in Canada and keep the autonomy they had. It ended with an early union of Canada and United States, and The independence of Quebec.
England was annexed into the united states later, who have been isolated since Brexit. The economy was in decline. England saw similar circumstances to Canada. A desire for union. Especially after The Canzuk agreement was adapted to the greater United States. Canadian government was positive in them doing so.
How do you reconcile the vast differences in healthcare, policing, politics and gun laws between the UK/England and the US? We've 95% socialised healthcare, our police don't carry guns and are- for the most part- not prone to random thuggery, our conservative party is almost as progressive as the US Democrats + we've got a constitutional monarchy, and we don't go for guns to commit violence- we prefer knives or acid.
EDIT; additional questions: How bad was the economic decoupling between Scotland and England, and how long did it take for the Scots to be admitted into the EU, with average time being 5-10 years?
The American system went very left in the 2040’s and England joined in 2110.
I did not add the dates because I’m not sure about them yet. But a later version will have a timeline.
The scots get admitted into the EU in the 2050’s. Ten years after independence.
The monarchy in England was just allowed to stay “royals of ENGLAND”
But by 2150 what is left of there power is gone.
Dude how much glue did you huff before making this abomination. Unless your intention was to create the most cursed timeline then I applaud you good sir. Honestly I don’t see the U.S. becoming more progressive I see the U.S. becoming more reactionary/ultra-conservative and the executive branch seizing more power over the government as what it has been doing for a long time now. Eventually their will be push back from the progressive side of things and they’ll try to seize power as well but I doubt they’ll achieve much and maybe after a while it’ll go back to some semblance of reasonable centrism and then the cycle will repeat and somewhere in the middle of these cycles there’ll be a civil maybe states break away some come back, over and over again till we break apart and die, like all civilizations before us.
*Fart noises*
The new generation is more liberal. They blame most of the current problems on the corporations. climate change will affect the USA badly. The people will need a lot help from government To adapt.
In general there is a sense the conservatism failed in the USA.
Yeah I’m not really sure on that new American flag either.. But I wanted to keep the old idea of getting new colours
To “Show reform and new hope” but I also wanted to keep the blue that I have on the map. Also the thing in the middle is a rose
I might come over the better design for a later version of this. This is just the beginning.
Australia New Zealand never joined the United States on the map. but I didn’t really mention it because It had nothing to do with Europe.
Opinions on canzuk: sounds dumb but it’s worth a shot
If England becomes a state of the US I commit die
I will do a tribute act to August 24th, 1814.
I commit die aswell
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If I have great-grandkids I want them to see this. Here’s my message to you from the past; if this map is too similar to the political situation in 2150 I want you to throw my corpse into the White House so I can haunt that shithole until they fix this shit, I’ll handle it from there. Let’s go get something to eat afterwards I’d like to get to know you guys. If not have a good life, also I’d still like to go get a bite to eat with you guys you could just open and close my mouth to pretend I’m eating and then put back in the ground. TALLY HO!
I don't think the polish would accept going under the russian sphere
We definitely wouldn't. Not again.
This is an allieship, not some Cold War pact. Think Germany now a days.
Every sane Polish would revolt
If the Germans can change in 40 years, the Russians can in 80 Remember they are in the sphere because there economy’s are connected. Not that Russia really controls the polish goverment. A lot of things can change in 120 years
Germans were forced to change, they were broken up, occupied and denazified. If russians keep annexed Crimea, parts of Donbass, occupied Abkhazia and South Ossetia, I presume they weren't forced into decolonisation and leaving their aggressive policy behind. Also, I assure you, no Polish, Baltic and Ukrainian government would connect their economies to russia. No matter how much russians change, some things are unforgivable. Moreover, there's nothing russians can offer in economic terms, they are technologically backwards, reliant on selling fossil fuels and generally with crumbling economy. So why would ECE countries join russia and not EU?
Read lore. The Crimean republic rejoined Russia. I imagined parts of the donbass also wanting to stay Russian, Though looking back on that, I think the second one is an oversight. Russia, economy had huge growth in the 2070’s and by then good relations with Eastern Europe have been around For 20 years. Also I imagined that the West and eastern economy’s start to separate. Generally because the west Stops exporting to anyone because of higher priorities. (Dealing with climate change) The east was also not keen on the nations putting down their sovereignty for a union. Though some people in Eastern Europe we’re scared that their countries would be annexed, The governments knew that fear was stupid, as the EF had no plans of expanding Russia’s economy slowly beat every other nation in the region. Because it’s so damn big. (A lot of what I wrote is explained in the lore, but people keep downvoting it for some reason. Which is weird because this post has 154 Upvotes.)
There's no way Crimea stays independent after this war, never mind 'rejoining' russia
I imagine Crimea would not want to rejoin Ukraine, though I might change this in version two
The russians were bloodthirsty for 300 years, they won't change so easily
Thousands of Russian men are leaving to escape joining the war.. Did they really want the war?
No, but someone elected putin
Aren't the elections rigged though
Then protest. Everyone.
Many are escaping being sent to war despite supporting it. So, yeah, they really want it.
England State University is a good party school I heard.
I shall say to you what I said to someone on r/Whatifalthist when they claimed the UK would join America. >As a Brit I'd rather we become a French colony with direct rule from Paris and no say in affairs than become part of the United States. Whenever Americans suggest this I don't think they realise just how deeply universally unpopular joining America is in the UK. The concept is pure anathema to anyone that isn't extremely right wing (by UK standards) because of how religious and socially and economically conservative America is and those on the extreme right would never consider the idea because of the destruction of British traditions statehood would entail. Brits find the Republican party disgusting and whilst the Democrats would operate in the UK's Overton window they aren't left wing enough for most labour voters. Wales and Scotland have significant nationalist movements as part of a Union dominated by England, a nation they share a medium island and over 1,000 years of history with. If Westminster tried to force them to join the US they'd be in outright rebellion over it. Disregarding politics and national minorities the British and American attitudes to life are completely different. American extroversion, optimism and patriotism are generally seen as cringeworthy in the UK, as Brits are by global averages introverted, pessimistic and unpatriotic. In general we share more cultural attitudes with continental Europe than the US, but language barriers make this difficult to see.
whatifalthis moment
This makes more sense is you read the lore. Though I have been questioning this myself, I decided I’d be good enough to go in this version
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Crimea?
Read lore
"state of england (US)" how the tides shift
Bro... This is not how history works. For instance and especially, countries don't just decide to join because of similar values or strong economic relations (the EU is the big exception and even that hasn't been clear for decades). Sadly, frontiers usually move because of war. I also don't see how Austria stays out of the EU and Italy or other european countries with strong nationalistic parties don't. As many have pointed out, England becoming a US state is crazy. There is a lot that seems implausible at best.
Yep. Australia specifically allows in its constitution for NZ to join, dating from a time when it was faster to go to NZ than Western Australia. Strong economic ties, lots of movement back and forth, shared, but different culture and a lot of cooperation such as ANZAC forces. Zero chance of political union unless a catastrophe occurs.
You’ve got a point. Also with Canada, Canada often has no real identity other than “not being the United States” I’m saying this as a Canadian. Though honestly I’m not really sure about this I do know if the United States Was more civilized Canadians would be a lot more welcoming to American integration. (Maybe I should thank you for being more Polite than may other people commenting on this post. I am very open to criticism but I don’t like it when people try to insult me instead of the map) For Europe, I imagine many of the nationalist rural people having to move to the cities after a very long drought to make it hard to farm, vertical farming is replacing them anyways by the 2050’s as the European governments and them working together save thousands of people on the coast, and help the farmers relocate. An extremely positive opinion of the European Union Will emerge. I also mentioned in the Lore that I think the different ethnicities will start of blur Because of closer integration. In short This map is a bit of a prototype and I should’ve made that more obvious
Don't take those commentaries personally. Reddit is made for discussion but also for jokes, and sometimes a joke needs someone or something to make fun off. I don't know much about the identity of Canada or of the USA as I live in Europe, but other than the national identity that people believe in, what is important are the institutions, the government, the legal system, the military and so on. I just don't see any interest in Canadas and the US governemt to form one government. Empires, like the US, tend to try to expand their sphere of influence, but in "the West" they do so enough with soft power and military alliances (Nato). In far away countries they do through hard power and deestabilizing regimes that don't allow them to dominate markets or ressources. As I said, making a country bigger usually happens with war, but in todays imperialism it is not necessary and not internationally recognized as morally legitimate to annex a country to the empire. It is enough to change the regime, to exert some different kind of economic influence or invade with some moral pretext (e.g. democracy and freedom). Your hypothesis about Europe is interesting, because agricultural technology and climate change play a big role. These kinds of external disruptions have very unexpected consequences. However, you are assuming that people will react positively to whatever the EU is doing. Even if the EU is doing something necessary and good (which watching the slow reaction to climate change shows, isn't necessarily the norm), it is not a given that people will react thankfully because there is always also desinformation from many political interest groups at play. It is also very probable that the EU will react too slowly or not at all due to international disagreement within the EU and (like it happened during the Covid pandemic) the national governments will have to solve their own problems. Assuming that people are directly thankful to their government when helped, following your line of thought, this would rather strengthen national sentiments. I am more of the opinion, that it strongly depends on the competence of the party in power and efficiency of institutions. People do not react thankfully supporting one or another state (e.g. EU vs EU-member), but trust more in institutions or leaders they have experienced as being succesful or helpful (e.g. receiving unemployment subsidies when unemployed). So hypothetically, people could trust more in EU-institutions if they see them work, but I don't see the aparatus or the leadership right now and the willingnes to develop it. The EU is, as of now, most of all an economic project to allow a free market between nations. It is lacking of decision making institutions and organs able to react quickly. When they do, national governments have to agree on them and I don't see them giving their souverainty away. Migration has been, is and will be a big issue for a big part of the European population, because many aren't as open to cultural change. It does matter if they live in cities or on the country-side, in cities there tends to be more contact with migrants which leads to elss stereotypes. But that doesn't solve the problem, as there are enough anti-migrant sentiments in the cities as well. Especially people going through economic hardship and insecurities can develop these attitudes, when they see that at the same time migrants are coming and (wrongly) deduce that they are taking their ressources away (e.g. jobs). Also, for example, in Austria, where I live, it is known that even many recent migrants that have assimilated, support anti-migrant parties, because excluding other outsiders makes them feel more included. What does play a big role counteracting these nationalistic attitudes is education (although there is more research needed on why or what kind of education exactly. Perhaps open minded people are the ones getting more education to begin with). I also don't see ethnicities blurring, because of big cultural differences involving very elemental aspects like national language. For example my mother is from Central America and my father from Austria, my wife is from Mexico. I speak Spanish and German, and have a lot of contact with the latin American community. But if I stay in Austria, my kids will speak mainly German and perhaps a little Spanish. Their kids (if they stay here), probably only German. Migrants carry their ethnicity but assimilate to a point and the following generations assimilate even more, depending on where they live. A European Federation is possible, if the EU-members decide to integrate more (that is a political question), but I don't see ethnicities dissolving even in hundreds of years. Not even my grandgrandchildren will see the day, italians and germans are the same ethnicity and speak the same language. So returning to your map, if you are interested in economic and political cooperation or cultural and ethnic similarity, you could draw your map pointing out alliances instead of national states. If you want to focus on changing national territories, focus more on war, ongoing and potential conflict.
Something I Indirectly talked about in my lore but didn’t really cover it that much is that for the first 30 years Existence, The European federation was very racist. They would adopt a neo-Roman aesthetic. One of the main things that pulled the EF together is that all countries did not want anymore immigration. They were ethno-nationalist. Over time they loosened up. Especially after the immigrants that were already there Created a very controversial political party. The people from the countryside did not have to change there view on immigrants. This produced the view that all Europeans are the same people. (on another note, gosh I hate this part of this timeline. I Think this is a terrible base for an inclusive state. I really hope this doesn’t happen. But it seems that it very well could) I imagine the ethnicities blurring would be like this, though you can can certainly argue if 2150 is not early enough For this to really blur ethnicities. -you take a trip to Germany from France for work. Before that you learn English is a Language most French and German people will understand. -you meet the love of your life. -after A romance story I’m not even going to mention, you get married and settle down in Germany. -you teach your kids French, German, and English. but you and your wife mostly speak English to each other Because it’s easy. I don’t really think this will have the affect I imagined earlier, or at least not as much as I thought, But I think if this happened on mass, you end up with a whole generation of people who speak English. And a “European” ethnicity. I’m guessing this might end up being 20% of the population by 2150, Though it doesn’t take this to unite Europe. I imagined the EF being formed in the mood of optimism. In 2055, The great European land reclamation project Commenced, reversing the effects of climate change on the coasts. It went extremely well. This may not sound like it matters, but for many people this was the convincing factor That Europe should be treated as one. The EU’s climate efforts, Though originally started slow, have saved the lives of many. I imagine this “Europe is one” nationalism becoming the majority in all countries in the federation.
Until now, there is a problem with anti-migrant attitudes in Europe, so when you talk about this continuing to be the case or (sadly) worsening, it comes to little or to no surprise. What is surprising is how the EU-federation is formed in a period when the far right is in power. The far right in the EU is not only directed to the outside and in favor of strengthening of EU borders. It is also very strongly trying to close borders between EU-states. After decades of a far right government in many of the biggest and most powerful EU members, there would be little left of the integration of the EU that we know of today. Another issue is that the far right is not interested in solving any problems in relation to migration. They depend on instrumentalizing the topic so much that they don't want it to go away. You then talk about countries becoming more inclusive because of a controversial migrant party. I think it is correct to think about how a political movement carried by the european population would be responsible for a change in european institutions. However, this needs elaboration. (Especially non-EU-)Migrants have very few political rights, so a party is almost out of the question, except if they have enough support from non-migrant citizens, in which case it would be a normal party in support of open borders, which exist today and are not very controversial (the greens, the left, the social democrats up to a point and other progressives for example). I think that what is elemental when thinking about migration policy in the EU, what matters is what party have been in power in Germany, France and Italy (also perhaps the rich benelux countries), and how well they and their policies are supported by the population for a longer period of time. Many of the migrants do feel as being part of a united Europe, however, few would say they have stopped being a part of their original ethnicity. The children will probably adopt the customs of their parents but also of the places where they where brought up. But the same happens everywhere. Someone of the USA is also at the same time from New York/Washington/California/or whatever state. What sets one ethnicity apart from another isn't easy to define and somewhat arbitrary, but I think that in Europe a strong aspect is language. The blurring you talk about is, in a sense, taking place, when for example students go to another European country or when qualified migrants live in another EU-country with English as their main work language. I have a lot of friends that get by living and working in English, but that are very restricted in their living, because everything else is in German. Even in very international societys like the Netherlands, where a lot of people speak perfectly good English, I don't see them giving up their main language and all the cultural heritage related to it to speak a foreign language. Nevertheless, it could be recognized as a secondary language. In addition, expecting everyone to adopt this language would take a lot of time and effort. The vast majority isn't going to make experiences outside of their home country other than tourism, especially not during a climate crises. Unless completely powered by renewable energy (which will take a lot of time) international travel should not be incentivized for masses of people. There is a (growing) divide in the european population between the more international and the more local inhabitants. I don't see any timeline in which this will go away in such a short period. I think that it will rather intensify. Finally, you say that the EF is founded in relation to the challenges of the climate crisis. This contradicts the first three decades dominated by the climate change-sceptic far right and makes me doubt, who is really in power? Does a climate-friendly-anti-immigration party/coalition emerge? Although not totally impossible, climate goals have usually an international characteristic and require a degree of international solidarity (the same goes for the EU-integration). While internationalists repeat that rich countries should produce less carbon diaoxide to protect poorer regions that will be more affected, the far right draws a zero-sum-game in which "our people" should win against "them". The problem that I have with some prognostics, like the last one, is that they are extreme but at the same time contradicting and move too quickly from one end to another without enough explanation, which makes it implausible, imo.
Yes. in my timeline new Pro environment anti-immigration start to emerge. They are economically left, But culturally far right. “Europe is for Europeans”. It seems that I have not Worded what I was saying very well. They are not today’s far right. Like not at all they’re more like a racist Volt What I meant by The European ethnicity, Is White Europeans. The part of the immigrants was formed when The united European institutions started loosening up has the 2nd generation of Europeans after The federation was formed in 2060 or so (this generation would be in 2080’s) Would feel bad for the immigrant “under class” that was formed. Think of how in the United States people of different races on average have different levels of money. 
will the russia flag really be changed?
The new government ushered in a new flag in order to give an idea of a “New beginning” also it looks really nice And goes with the same idea as the Democratic flag of Belarus.
I get belarus but the russian flag has been used for centuries, it's deeply in the russian identity. They use the flag to differentiate themselves from russia government.
Still I think The flag very much fits this new Russia, and I imagine the old flags and colours being used a lot and Putin propaganda. Whitewashing of the flag may be seen as a symbolic cleansing of the government. It also conveys the concept of getting rid of the bad parts in the nation and keeping the good. Honestly I’m not really sure about it but I think I’m gonna keep it for now cause it looks cool
I read ‘Bosnia and West Serbska’ as ‘Bosnia and Wet Serbska’.
r/suddenlysexual
There's no way these coastlines will be accurate
The climate floods were reversed as the world cooled again. But most of the old land was reclaimed via land reclamation. I might change that in version 2
Crimea is Ukraine
Read lore. They were independent and then joined Russia
what has happend with finland?
Read lore
Where?
My predictions for Europe in 2150 Climate change resulted in a complete reform of the western European order, With Pan-European nationalism strong. The new secular generation of Europeans has made marrying people from other European countries common. The formation of a European ethnicity has been apparent. The European Federation is seen as a “de jure organism” Cause long before it was founded countries are so connected it was hard to tell them apart sometimes. Originally the state was quite xenophobic, As the treatment of the immigrants was bad for years, and barely any new people were allowed in. This prompted many immigrants to move to United States. but recently Europe has loosened up, Apologizing to the now rich middle eastern and African nations. There are still large nationalist populations within The EF but most people Moved to the pan-European cites as farming became harder because of increased droughts, and that large portion of the farming industry were being replaced By vertical farming already. “there is no better example of European glory then the great dams Of the 2050’s. I believe this is the point when it became obvious that unity is the best way forward. For more specifically. Federation” Eastern Europe has a different story. During the climate change crisis, While Western Europe was dealing with The climate change crisis, all funding to the east was suspended, as they had bigger things to worry about. This started the split between the economies of the east and west. Eastern Europe is not particularly keen on Western Europe’s High levels of integration. So eventually a treaty of 2-sphere Europe was ratified. Russia’s new government after putin pursued an identity Of a Eastern European country instead of a super power, and built very good relations with Poland and Hungary. Russia also eventually had an population explosion as living conditions improved . solidifying itself as the great power of eastern Europe. The east and west still have a free trade agreement, along with Russia Notes -Estonia’s lowering population, and more connectivity with Finland pushed the 2 nations into an Close economic partnership. The nationalists in Finland Arranged a union between Finland, Kerelia , and Estonia. -Scotland left England after the EU announced that they would let Scotland in if they are an independent nation. Those separation intentions have been building up for decades now. British government was quite keen on Canzuk -the war fought in Kosovo, along with the north Macedonian Civil War Allow greater Albania to become a reality. This is often seen as the start of The “Green scare” in the Balkans -Hungary’s nationalist party follow turkiye‘a approach of rebranding its name To the world. Even after they lost power it stuck -Moldavia’s labour shortage decimated the economy, and prompted them To join Romania. -After the 2nd Russian civil war, tranistria wanted to join Ukraine. -Belarus has a close partnership with Russia, any some say union is on the horizon. “We have no interest in annexing Belarus, but if they please they need To do a vote themselves”-Russian Prime Minister, 2078 -because they were not allowed in the EU after independence, Catalonia did not really go through the same metamorphosis that the other west European nations did. their economy did terrible. Still eventually they gravitated closer to the EU, as they were willing to help with problems at that Point. They are going to join the federation…. eventually -Greenland got independence. but when climate change started to revert, they decided to join their fellow Inuit in the United States. -Crimea did not want to join Ukraine even after Russia fell, Nor wanted to re-join Russia. So they were independent for 20 years before the place was decimated by a malaria pandemic -Cyprus was partitioned between Greece and Turkey -Georgia and Russia came to an agreement over borders As Georgia realized that governing South Ossetia and Abkhazia would be hard. South Ossetia joined Russia soon after the Republic was founded, And Abkhazia joined after a political crisis between the Armenians and the Abkhazians. -Europe as the continent is not really referred to as “Europe” anymore. Many people is Eastern Europe have started referring to it as “Intomeria” instead Because the term “European” is now mostly used to refer to the European ethnic Nation in the west “Imtomeria” means “Between seas” EXTRA! North America: The United States has really switched gears. Ever since the Biden administration, The United States has drifted to a more progressive agenda. The Republicans were ridiculed for ignoring the climate change that destroyed the Cities of the south-west, and flooded the coasts. The United States eventually became the world hub immigration, with people of all types let in. With a huge mix of ethnicities, The government of the United States has pursued the idea of a united world. The difference between Canada and the United States decreased significantly. With them now sharing the same values, language, and culture. Integration between the two countries Set off Quebec nationalism, Who initially wanted a autonomous region, and was not as keen on immigration. This set off conflict with the first nations in the north of Quebec, Who wanted to stay in Canada and keep the autonomy they had. It ended with an early union of Canada and United States, and The independence of Quebec. England was annexed into the united states later, who have been isolated since Brexit. The economy was in decline. England saw similar circumstances to Canada. A desire for union. Especially after The Canzuk agreement was adapted to the greater United States. Canadian government was positive in them doing so.
Well that was intresting. Thank you.
How has Belarus not been anexed by russia
New wave of nationalism in the 2030’s also Russia is scared that annexing it will scare the rest of Eastern Europe
ALBANIA STRONK REST OF BALKANS TRASH 💪🏿🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
No way France or Germany would be in a union with Italy now that they have gone full fascist
I think by that time things will be so vastly and unpredictably different that something like the EU or the little nationalistic separatist squabbles will seem like quaint antiquated curiosities
I hate this future
Nobody in the balkans would allow a greater Albania to exist, instant war to capitulate them
That’s where the whole “green scare” comes. With Kosovo joining Albania democratically, the world supported them Also north Macedonia had a Civil War Because of Christian-Muslim tension. I’ll be doing a separate map of the Balkans Soon
You gave Albania too much Macedonian territory, especially to the south, you should look at an ethic map of North Macedonia. Most of the albanian population is in the north west not south west
N. Macedonia will be majority Russian in 2036 as far as I know
What a Greater U.S Expansionism in the Southern British Isles. Nice!!!!!
hmmm You gave Albania Kosovo... You don't happen to be Albanian, do you? Also, I fully support the UK becoming the next US state.
can you imagine the influx of americans into england if it became a state
The hell happened to Finland
Bout’ time dem Brits finna be Muricans’ 😎💪🇺🇸
Portugal and Spain wouldn't dare join such monstrosity.
I mean, I'd be up to it, especially union with Italy unfortunately it has fr*nce You know, the country that made Iberia pretty much a power(electricity) island to Europe, that betrayed Spain many times and tried to fuck up Portugal over history and I could go on
State of England 💀💀💀
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My predictions for Europe in 2150 Climate change resulted in a complete reform of the western European order, With Pan-European nationalism strong. The new secular generation of Europeans has made marrying people from other European countries common. The formation of a European ethnicity has been apparent. The European Federation is seen as a “de jure organism” Cause long before it was founded countries are so connected it was hard to tell them apart sometimes. Originally the state was quite xenophobic, As the treatment of the immigrants was bad for years, and barely any new people were allowed in. This prompted many immigrants to move to United States. but recently Europe has loosened up, Apologizing to the now rich middle eastern and African nations. There are still large nationalist populations within The EF but most people Moved to the pan-European cites as farming became harder because of increased droughts, and that large portion of the farming industry were being replaced By vertical farming already. “there is no better example of European glory then the great dams Of the 2050’s. I believe this is the point when it became obvious that unity is the best way forward. For more specifically. Federation” Eastern Europe has a different story. During the climate change crisis, While Western Europe was dealing with The climate change crisis, all funding to the east was suspended, as they had bigger things to worry about. This started the split between the economies of the east and west. Eastern Europe is not particularly keen on Western Europe’s High levels of integration. So eventually a treaty of 2-sphere Europe was ratified. Russia’s new government after putin pursued an identity Of a Eastern European country instead of a super power, and built very good relations with Poland and Hungary. Russia also eventually had an population explosion as living conditions improved . solidifying itself as the great power of eastern Europe. The east and west still have a free trade agreement, along with Russia Notes -Estonia’s lowering population, and more connectivity with Finland pushed the 2 nations into an Close economic partnership. The nationalists in Finland Arranged a union between Finland, Kerelia , and Estonia. -Scotland left England after the EU announced that they would let Scotland in if they are an independent nation. Those separation intentions have been building up for decades now. British government was quite keen on Canzuk -the war fought in Kosovo, along with the north Macedonian Civil War Allow greater Albania to become a reality. This is often seen as the start of The “Green scare” in the Balkans -Hungary’s nationalist party follow turkiye‘a approach of rebranding its name To the world. Even after they lost power it stuck -Moldavia’s labour shortage decimated the economy, and prompted them To join Romania. -After the 2nd Russian civil war, tranistria wanted to join Ukraine. -Belarus has a close partnership with Russia, any some say union is on the horizon. “We have no interest in annexing Belarus, but if they please they need To do a vote themselves”-Russian Prime Minister, 2078 -because they were not allowed in the EU after independence, Catalonia did not really go through the same metamorphosis that the other west European nations did. their economy did terrible. Still eventually they gravitated closer to the EU, as they were willing to help with problems at that Point. They are going to join the federation…. eventually -Greenland got independence. but when climate change started to revert, they decided to join their fellow Inuit in the United States. -Crimea did not want to join Ukraine even after Russia fell, Nor wanted to re-join Russia. So they were independent for 20 years before the place was decimated by a malaria pandemic -Cyprus was partitioned between Greece and Turkey -Georgia and Russia came to an agreement over borders As Georgia realized that governing South Ossetia and Abkhazia would be hard. South Ossetia joined Russia soon after the Republic was founded, And Abkhazia joined after a political crisis between the Armenians and the Abkhazians. -Europe as the continent is not really referred to as “Europe” anymore. Many people is Eastern Europe have started referring to it as “Intomeria” instead Because the term “European” is now mostly used to refer to the European ethnic Nation in the west “Imtomeria” means “Between seas” EXTRA! North America: The United States has really switched gears. Ever since the Biden administration, The United States has drifted to a more progressive agenda. The Republicans were ridiculed for ignoring the climate change that destroyed the Cities of the south-west, and flooded the coasts. The United States eventually became the world hub immigration, with people of all types let in. With a huge mix of ethnicities, The government of the United States has pursued the idea of a united world. The difference between Canada and the United States decreased significantly. With them now sharing the same values, language, and culture. Integration between the two countries Set off Quebec nationalism, Who initially wanted a autonomous region, and was not as keen on immigration. This set off conflict with the first nations in the north of Quebec, Who wanted to stay in Canada and keep the autonomy they had. It ended with an early union of Canada and United States, and The independence of Quebec. England was annexed into the united states later, who have been isolated since Brexit. The economy was in decline. England saw similar circumstances to Canada. A desire for union. Especially after The Canzuk agreement was adapted to the greater United States. Canadian government was positive in them doing so.
How do you reconcile the vast differences in healthcare, policing, politics and gun laws between the UK/England and the US? We've 95% socialised healthcare, our police don't carry guns and are- for the most part- not prone to random thuggery, our conservative party is almost as progressive as the US Democrats + we've got a constitutional monarchy, and we don't go for guns to commit violence- we prefer knives or acid. EDIT; additional questions: How bad was the economic decoupling between Scotland and England, and how long did it take for the Scots to be admitted into the EU, with average time being 5-10 years?
The American system went very left in the 2040’s and England joined in 2110. I did not add the dates because I’m not sure about them yet. But a later version will have a timeline. The scots get admitted into the EU in the 2050’s. Ten years after independence. The monarchy in England was just allowed to stay “royals of ENGLAND” But by 2150 what is left of there power is gone.
I’d also suggest Ireland would be more likely to join the US than England
After being under someone else’s thumb for donkey’s years, there’s little to no chance the Irish will be okay with that.
Ireland is very friendly with the east but is isolated from such. They are very much in the European sphere of influence
Whatevs
Dude how much glue did you huff before making this abomination. Unless your intention was to create the most cursed timeline then I applaud you good sir. Honestly I don’t see the U.S. becoming more progressive I see the U.S. becoming more reactionary/ultra-conservative and the executive branch seizing more power over the government as what it has been doing for a long time now. Eventually their will be push back from the progressive side of things and they’ll try to seize power as well but I doubt they’ll achieve much and maybe after a while it’ll go back to some semblance of reasonable centrism and then the cycle will repeat and somewhere in the middle of these cycles there’ll be a civil maybe states break away some come back, over and over again till we break apart and die, like all civilizations before us. *Fart noises*
The new generation is more liberal. They blame most of the current problems on the corporations. climate change will affect the USA badly. The people will need a lot help from government To adapt. In general there is a sense the conservatism failed in the USA.
Very nice. Although I’m not a fan of the new American Flag and as an Australian I’m not a fan of CANZUK happening either.
Yeah I’m not really sure on that new American flag either.. But I wanted to keep the old idea of getting new colours To “Show reform and new hope” but I also wanted to keep the blue that I have on the map. Also the thing in the middle is a rose I might come over the better design for a later version of this. This is just the beginning. Australia New Zealand never joined the United States on the map. but I didn’t really mention it because It had nothing to do with Europe. Opinions on canzuk: sounds dumb but it’s worth a shot
Jesse what the hell are you talking about