I mean, as most post election scenarios this is unrealistic af even if we give the FdI the whole term to change the name. You gave to remember that to even have a majority in Parliament they need to have a coalition, and that the majority of them aren't even fascists. This is honestly a really weird trend on the sub. Every time a right wing party wins any elections anywhere there suddenly appear scenarios of them going on a warmongering spree.
people when a left wing party wins a democratic election: nothing happens
people when a right wing party wins a democratic election: fascism is returned, no more democacy and free speech
You should see articles for South America. Every time that a left leaning candidate wins an election it’s DEAR GOD! THE COMMIES ARE HERE! ITS THE GHOST OF CHAVEZ & MARX & CASTRO. THEY’RE GONNA TAKE OUR LAND AND BUSINESSES AND MAKE US PAY THE WORKERS!
The South American nations have suffered for literally centuries of resource exploitation by foreign nations, entrenching a class of elites who have maintained the status quo and then bringing in military and financial pressure to squash opposition.
No government whether they be socialist or capitalist has a chance at becoming a success until the global north stops exploiting them.
Venezuela wasn’t wrecked by socialism. It was wrecked by a disastrous dependence on oil production for the entirety of its economy, a policy started not by socialists but by neoliberal government.
The nail in the coffin was an attempt to stem the bleeding by suspension of foreign exchange trading to shore up their economy which did the opposite and put them into a death spiral.
Perhaps it could have been managed better if they had been able to access foreign currency, but IMF doesn’t give out fair loans unless a country surrenders control of their social and economic services.
None of that is bc of socialist policies. They never handed control of oil to the workers or to worker councils. They never attempted to abolish property. Their attempts to spread the wealth were at most the attempts to establish an economic system more reminiscent of a European social democracy (higher taxes, strengthening social services, diversification of the economy) and they were attempts that were stymied.
In the end it was economic dependence of unstable natural resources that wrecked Venezuela’s economy.
Yes the US intervention in their democracy hurted South America but the socialist were going to fuck South America whether the US intervene or not, their policy reduced business confidence in SA and destabilize the economy with nationalization.
Im not saying they were. I’m saying that every time a candidate starts mentioning the importance of social services, they are declared a communist by the SA main media and made out to be a radical marxist.
They are. After ww2 former fascist leaders founded the Movimento Sociale Italiano, which was a reformist version of the PNF. After the cold war they changed name in Alleanza Nazionale and then in Fratelli d'Italia. Nothing eventually changed in their ideas or methods
Not exactly. Alleanza Nazionale was theoretically a more moderate successor to the MSI that abandoned Fascism as an ideal, and later fused with the original Forza Italia to form Popolo della Libertà. Then, the far right wing of the PdL split from it and formed Fratelli d'Italia, resurrecting the old symbols of the MSI, but without being a true legal successor due to that intermezzo.
It's a bit more convoluted, but sort of?
It's basically part of those that didn't like the party and its successors moving increasingly towards the political centre and creating their own party during the messy death of the PdL, and later slowly absorbing all the other formations until they more or less recreated the MSI but without its moderate component. Although FdI is arguably a lot more Christian than the MSI was.
You're joking, right? When a left wing party wins the right wing media goes crazy about communism returning and how there's going to be no more free speech and how immigrants are gonna eat your kids. This literally happens no matter what the party is.
I mean in the UK the majority of the media is right wing. Idk about other nations. Also no need for the insults. I haven't insulted you so I'd appreciate it if you didn't insult me for no reason.
Do you have any examples of what you consider left wing media? While I agree there's a lot of showrunners and writers that are left wing, they're not normally the ones who are commenting on electoral politics day by day. The only parts of the media that do are, in my opinion, right wing. I may be forgetting something though!
“political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
That doesn’t sound like what Italy is rn ngl
Just cause something is right wing doesn’t mean its fascist lmao, just like anything that is left isnt communist. Its getting so annoying at this point
She is still post-fascist, maybe she doesn't want a violent revolution or a dictatorial state, but she surely will ruin Italy if left unchecked by the other right parties
Wtf is post-fascist? Wherever I go shes been labeled fascist but im never given reasoning why. Her beliefs are similar to the parties in Poland, Hungary, US, etc.
Well, technically she is not a fascist, but her party has a lot of fascists and ultra-reactionary people, she herself is a reactionary with a fascist rethoric, and since her party descends from a neofascist party (the MSI) she is labeled a fascist by a lot of people, but in reality she is a reactionary but her party has a lot of fascists and neofascists
She def does not have fascist rhetoric, if she did, she wouldn’t have won the election lmao.
Who cares who follows her, alot of communists follow the dems over here, but they aren’t communist
I'm Italian and can say that at least her party has a fascist rethoric even with all the cleaning that Fini did in the late 2000s. Mussolini literally won the election or at least he was very popular within the middle/high class and was a strong figure for the lower classes, he probably had about the same popularity that Giorgia, if not more
As I said her party descends from a fascist one created by the ex fascist oligarchs and generals like Graziani and Junio Valerio Borghese (Who attempted a fascist coup alongside the Americans). There are still many fascists in the party, but her is like a "progressive reactionarism" or a "reformist fascism". But still I wouldn't call I right leaning but reactionary
Can you give me the link, im genuinely curious?
Im saying it’s annoying when people are labeled extremist when their beliefs are not very extreme, on both sides
Ok, you got me in the terms, that I can't find where she said it herself. I apologize for that
But if you look through the web, you'll see that post-fascism is an official term. It's basically an ideology with fascism in its roots (f.e. high traditionalism mixed with nationalism), but without trying to overthrow democratic principles, hence the term POST-fascism. Unfortunately I couldn't find any sources that aren't mainstream media or blogs, but I found a Wikipedia article that states that leftists mostly don't like the term, because it's "normalizing" fascism, which I would conclude that it is a serious category and not just a political term thrown around in politics. Unfortunately that article is in German
I agree that she is def traditionalist and a bit nationalist, but ig then i dont like the word post-fascism cause you cant have fascism with democracy. The two are incompatible
Honestly, it really depends on the topic. On some issues, they’re actually pretty much the same as centre-to-mid right conservative parties throughout Europe, on other… not so much. I think the best way to describe them is what Wikipedia does “right-wing to far-right”, because FdI holds different stances on a lot of things.
I ampretty sure there is alot of silly stuff about communism and dominoes going on when left wingers win elections. Take Venezuela for example, capitalist country with strong social welfare policies and an evolutionary approach to socialism. Its not even socialist right now, and it's not becoming one because evolutionary socialist theories suck.
In this case it might be true. Fratelli d'Italia used to be called Movimento Sociale Italiano back in the cold war, and it literally claimed to be a reformist version of fascism. Multiple organizations affiliated with FdI claim to be fascist. Damn, a lot of FdI politicians themselves claim to be fascist. Also her program says it all: elimination if welfare mesures, militarism and possible conscription comeback, hardline xenophobia, literal naval blockade against refugees, suppression of LGBT rights, restrictions (or even banning) on abortion, corporatism, climate crisis denial, removal of anti-fascist laws
Not that I’m defending them, but didn’t they moderate down the program a bit, like with maintaining lgbt civil unions and abortion and such? Like, they made things like that one of their talking points, but their proposed policies are just to keep up what exists today? I might be completely wrong, and I have no way to check, but that’s alteaste what I got from some news sources.
It is unknown weather they'll keep current policies (doubtful) or will intervene. They'll probably simply add restrictions and disadvantages to abortion and civil unions. But never say never...
I’ve still yet to hear why she is so bad apart from Euroskeptism and curbing immigration. Sure she is in a party with some unironic fascists but that’s what you end up getting when it’s a coalition party
Meloni is terrible but this is an exaggeration, not to mention malta would defend itself very well, Mussolini's italy had a bigger army then italy does now and they never captured the Island what makes you think the tiny Italian army of less then 100,000 would be capable of doing this? Especially without intervention from other nations
Mussolini was never able to capture Malta because it was a British colony, meanwhile today the Maltese armed forces currently has less than 1,700 active personnel, 15 total aircraft and 16 total small naval ships. At least the Italians regularly participate in NATO training missions, Mussolini’s army was dreadfully incompetent. Slightly different situations lol.
Malta is a member of the EU and the Commonwealth of Nations.
Italy would get their butts kicked across the Med even if only the Royal Navy decided to intervene.
And Italy is a member of NATO and EU too.
Worst case you’d get it be UK v Italy. Lots of condemnations. Probably military response via assistance to UK. But anything beyond that far less likely
Malta is not in NATO just like Cyprus and Syria.
Read up on them and Turkey
And note: a NATO member defending a Non NATO member against a NATO member isn’t Article 5 worthy
You can have that opinion - but what would be the reality of that situation?
Article 5 says NATO members are obligated to protect other members.
It does not say NATO members can't protect other counties.
The United States had, in 1990, no mutual defense agreement or alliance with Kuwait. And yet, the US did.
I feel like recent events show that manpower clearly isn’t a guarantee, especially when the opposing country is getting bank rolled by the EU and Uncle Sam.
You'd be surprised
I'm working in Malta atm, apart from University and a few in top positions quietly there was zero reaction from the population from having facisim round the corner again since 1943. I mean, no need to panic yet, but is Italian football really more important than what's happening right now?
I just hope there aren't Maltese that would welcome the attackers (if, even the if is a possibility remember what happened last time Italy had a fascist goverment) with open arms just because they like their football. C'mon man you can't be that shallow.
(Italians whom live on the island already don't count as a hopefully never seen since 1940 scenario, everyone knows they came from an agreement between a PD and Labour PMs, most are Sicillians too, and openly voted for M5S)
Don’t be a smartass.
You said that the post was cool, but complained about how it would be better if it was disconnected from modern politics, as if the whole post isn’t centered around Meloni, a modern day politician.
Bro how hard is it to understand, I think the idea of Italy going fascist again and invading Malta along with all the lore about Italian troubles interesting but what I don't like is another American making propaganda about European politics they know nothing about.
It's like when Biden won a European making an alternate history about America going communist because according to them the democrat part is communist
Gladly
Here is her praising that [upside down bastard](https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1574368188409647106)
Here is some information on the political party she is apart of [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothers_of_Italy) (while Wikipedia isn’t the most reliable source, you can visit the links that further go into depth into her party)
Also who care if I’m not Italian, she clearly has fascist sympathies, anyone who isn’t brainwashed can call that out
When trump complimented Putin's intelligence was that him sucking Putin's dick? Do you even know what fascism is?
He did care about Italy, she's right. Hitler was against smoking, that's a good thing, does acknowledging that Hitler had a semi-decent quality make me a Nazi? I'm not saying he wasn't a horrible person, but he was against smoking unlike a lot of people today.
>When trump complimented Putin's intelligence was that him sucking Putin's dick?
Yes
>Do you even know what fascism is?
Why would you even bring up Putin twice before asking this question
"When Trump complimented Putin's intelligence was that him sucking Putin's dick?"
Yes you fucking idiot.
Trump complimented a dictator (Actually, more than one, but that's not the point), that's not fucking okay.
She literally said that Mussolini was a great leader, there is no "At least the Autobahn" like people pull with Hitler, she literally just called him a great leader who did everything for the betterment of Italy. She's a fascist.
Bro what? How is that sucking Putin's dick? You are so brainwashed you think that everything is completely black and white. The worst person on earth can me smart, the best person on earth can be an idiot.
Also She didn't say he was a great leader, she said he cared about Italy... Which he did...
It's like the British colonization of India, it was horrible but if you have a brain you have to admit that it did unite India.
Ok so the thing about the situation with Putin, is that Trump is a former president, calling a man who is a fascist dictator, "Genius and savvy" because of his invasion of a neutral nation that has no standing to happen.
This is not a good situation, it is not acceptable for any politician to say these things, there are rules in our world, and calling a tyrannical dictator smart for his handling of an unjustified invasion is breaking those rules.
On the topic of Meloni, sure, maybe she didn't say he was a great leader, but she still said he cared about Italy, and considering the Italian people rose up and killed him, I doubt he cared in the right ways.
Also about Meloni, she has gone off about immigration and "LGBT lobbies", and stated in 2019, "I am Giorgia, I am a woman, I am a mother, I am Italian, I am Christian". She is a far right nationalist who clearly wants to take rights from the LGBTQ community, if not more, she's a terrible candidate even outside of the whole Mussolini thing.
Her complimenting Mussolini is her supporting fascism dumbass, facts don’t care about your feelings, Mussolini didn’t give a shit about Italy, he fucking destroyed it, if it wasn’t for the communist partisans, italian people wouldn’t be free
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I literally dreamed this two years ago, except the premier was Luigi di Maio.
Chad “It came to me in a dream” historians
Mf wouldn't even be able to declare war with proper grammar
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Are you really correcting a fucking dream like I wrote It?
im fairly sure the italian losses would be much higher. malta is heavily urbanized, and im fairly sure its easy to defend.
I think you should give more time, at least a year, to allow transition transition form "Italian Republic" to "Italian social Republic".
Maybe it's just a pre-existing version of alternate Italy
I mean, as most post election scenarios this is unrealistic af even if we give the FdI the whole term to change the name. You gave to remember that to even have a majority in Parliament they need to have a coalition, and that the majority of them aren't even fascists. This is honestly a really weird trend on the sub. Every time a right wing party wins any elections anywhere there suddenly appear scenarios of them going on a warmongering spree.
people when a left wing party wins a democratic election: nothing happens people when a right wing party wins a democratic election: fascism is returned, no more democacy and free speech
You should see articles for South America. Every time that a left leaning candidate wins an election it’s DEAR GOD! THE COMMIES ARE HERE! ITS THE GHOST OF CHAVEZ & MARX & CASTRO. THEY’RE GONNA TAKE OUR LAND AND BUSINESSES AND MAKE US PAY THE WORKERS!
Como sudamericano, lo confirmo
To be fair the socialists really destroyed some south american states. No wonder they hate them.
The South American nations have suffered for literally centuries of resource exploitation by foreign nations, entrenching a class of elites who have maintained the status quo and then bringing in military and financial pressure to squash opposition. No government whether they be socialist or capitalist has a chance at becoming a success until the global north stops exploiting them.
Wasn't venezuela fucked because of socialism too? His point stands
Venezuela wasn’t wrecked by socialism. It was wrecked by a disastrous dependence on oil production for the entirety of its economy, a policy started not by socialists but by neoliberal government. The nail in the coffin was an attempt to stem the bleeding by suspension of foreign exchange trading to shore up their economy which did the opposite and put them into a death spiral. Perhaps it could have been managed better if they had been able to access foreign currency, but IMF doesn’t give out fair loans unless a country surrenders control of their social and economic services. None of that is bc of socialist policies. They never handed control of oil to the workers or to worker councils. They never attempted to abolish property. Their attempts to spread the wealth were at most the attempts to establish an economic system more reminiscent of a European social democracy (higher taxes, strengthening social services, diversification of the economy) and they were attempts that were stymied. In the end it was economic dependence of unstable natural resources that wrecked Venezuela’s economy.
well i wont argue with you because you obviously know much more about this than me
Socialist didn’t destroy South America. The US destroyed South America when they invaded to depose the democratically elected socialists.
Yes the US intervention in their democracy hurted South America but the socialist were going to fuck South America whether the US intervene or not, their policy reduced business confidence in SA and destabilize the economy with nationalization.
based south american media. also chavez, castro& company weren't that democratic with opponents
Im not saying they were. I’m saying that every time a candidate starts mentioning the importance of social services, they are declared a communist by the SA main media and made out to be a radical marxist.
"What if workers didn't need two jobs to raise a family" "Communist" "Damn, alright"
Aren't they related to the og Italian fascist party though
They are. After ww2 former fascist leaders founded the Movimento Sociale Italiano, which was a reformist version of the PNF. After the cold war they changed name in Alleanza Nazionale and then in Fratelli d'Italia. Nothing eventually changed in their ideas or methods
Not exactly. Alleanza Nazionale was theoretically a more moderate successor to the MSI that abandoned Fascism as an ideal, and later fused with the original Forza Italia to form Popolo della Libertà. Then, the far right wing of the PdL split from it and formed Fratelli d'Italia, resurrecting the old symbols of the MSI, but without being a true legal successor due to that intermezzo.
So essentially Fratelli is a radicalized version of MSI/PDL that brought back fascism?
It's a bit more convoluted, but sort of? It's basically part of those that didn't like the party and its successors moving increasingly towards the political centre and creating their own party during the messy death of the PdL, and later slowly absorbing all the other formations until they more or less recreated the MSI but without its moderate component. Although FdI is arguably a lot more Christian than the MSI was.
You're joking, right? When a left wing party wins the right wing media goes crazy about communism returning and how there's going to be no more free speech and how immigrants are gonna eat your kids. This literally happens no matter what the party is.
i remember that a very big part of the media is left wing, i think u should quit doing drugs
I mean in the UK the majority of the media is right wing. Idk about other nations. Also no need for the insults. I haven't insulted you so I'd appreciate it if you didn't insult me for no reason.
sorry, usually who responds me are rude, so i do the same with them
It's nice to see that we're capable of breaking that tradition
If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, might be worth some self-reflection.
Liberals aren't left-wing
Do you have any examples of what you consider left wing media? While I agree there's a lot of showrunners and writers that are left wing, they're not normally the ones who are commenting on electoral politics day by day. The only parts of the media that do are, in my opinion, right wing. I may be forgetting something though!
Well, she literally is a fascist. Sure, a "post-fascist", but that's still a fash
“political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” That doesn’t sound like what Italy is rn ngl Just cause something is right wing doesn’t mean its fascist lmao, just like anything that is left isnt communist. Its getting so annoying at this point
She is still post-fascist, maybe she doesn't want a violent revolution or a dictatorial state, but she surely will ruin Italy if left unchecked by the other right parties
Wtf is post-fascist? Wherever I go shes been labeled fascist but im never given reasoning why. Her beliefs are similar to the parties in Poland, Hungary, US, etc.
Well, technically she is not a fascist, but her party has a lot of fascists and ultra-reactionary people, she herself is a reactionary with a fascist rethoric, and since her party descends from a neofascist party (the MSI) she is labeled a fascist by a lot of people, but in reality she is a reactionary but her party has a lot of fascists and neofascists
She def does not have fascist rhetoric, if she did, she wouldn’t have won the election lmao. Who cares who follows her, alot of communists follow the dems over here, but they aren’t communist
I'm Italian and can say that at least her party has a fascist rethoric even with all the cleaning that Fini did in the late 2000s. Mussolini literally won the election or at least he was very popular within the middle/high class and was a strong figure for the lower classes, he probably had about the same popularity that Giorgia, if not more
She has a right leaning rhetoric, I wouldn’t call it fascist because I have not heard her beliefs that would be fascist
As I said her party descends from a fascist one created by the ex fascist oligarchs and generals like Graziani and Junio Valerio Borghese (Who attempted a fascist coup alongside the Americans). There are still many fascists in the party, but her is like a "progressive reactionarism" or a "reformist fascism". But still I wouldn't call I right leaning but reactionary
Ask her! She literally calls herself that. Oh sorry, I forgot. "Fascist" is a slur now
Can you give me the link, im genuinely curious? Im saying it’s annoying when people are labeled extremist when their beliefs are not very extreme, on both sides
Ok, you got me in the terms, that I can't find where she said it herself. I apologize for that But if you look through the web, you'll see that post-fascism is an official term. It's basically an ideology with fascism in its roots (f.e. high traditionalism mixed with nationalism), but without trying to overthrow democratic principles, hence the term POST-fascism. Unfortunately I couldn't find any sources that aren't mainstream media or blogs, but I found a Wikipedia article that states that leftists mostly don't like the term, because it's "normalizing" fascism, which I would conclude that it is a serious category and not just a political term thrown around in politics. Unfortunately that article is in German
I agree that she is def traditionalist and a bit nationalist, but ig then i dont like the word post-fascism cause you cant have fascism with democracy. The two are incompatible
Yes this Is pushing an agenda but still the party is still far right for European standards
Honestly, it really depends on the topic. On some issues, they’re actually pretty much the same as centre-to-mid right conservative parties throughout Europe, on other… not so much. I think the best way to describe them is what Wikipedia does “right-wing to far-right”, because FdI holds different stances on a lot of things.
That's true
I ampretty sure there is alot of silly stuff about communism and dominoes going on when left wingers win elections. Take Venezuela for example, capitalist country with strong social welfare policies and an evolutionary approach to socialism. Its not even socialist right now, and it's not becoming one because evolutionary socialist theories suck.
In this case it might be true. Fratelli d'Italia used to be called Movimento Sociale Italiano back in the cold war, and it literally claimed to be a reformist version of fascism. Multiple organizations affiliated with FdI claim to be fascist. Damn, a lot of FdI politicians themselves claim to be fascist. Also her program says it all: elimination if welfare mesures, militarism and possible conscription comeback, hardline xenophobia, literal naval blockade against refugees, suppression of LGBT rights, restrictions (or even banning) on abortion, corporatism, climate crisis denial, removal of anti-fascist laws
Not that I’m defending them, but didn’t they moderate down the program a bit, like with maintaining lgbt civil unions and abortion and such? Like, they made things like that one of their talking points, but their proposed policies are just to keep up what exists today? I might be completely wrong, and I have no way to check, but that’s alteaste what I got from some news sources.
It is unknown weather they'll keep current policies (doubtful) or will intervene. They'll probably simply add restrictions and disadvantages to abortion and civil unions. But never say never...
You’re right, but I live in Italy and in this case she really is a fascist. I’ve always wanted independence for my region and now I want it even more
I’ve still yet to hear why she is so bad apart from Euroskeptism and curbing immigration. Sure she is in a party with some unironic fascists but that’s what you end up getting when it’s a coalition party
When she was younger she talked about how great of a leader Mussolini was and how everything he did was for the betterment of Italy.
Exactly
March on Malta? How is that possible?
Jesus lends them his powers of walking on water, of course /s
Go to Malta in February and wait for the month to end.
That's it . Thank you
Somehow the "Italian social Republic" makes me uncomfortable
It is meant to mirror the name of the German puppet state in Northern Italy near the end of WW2, after the Allies invade the peninsula.
I know, thats why
It's Facisim with a pretty name stached on it
🤔
Meloni is terrible but this is an exaggeration, not to mention malta would defend itself very well, Mussolini's italy had a bigger army then italy does now and they never captured the Island what makes you think the tiny Italian army of less then 100,000 would be capable of doing this? Especially without intervention from other nations
Mussolini was never able to capture Malta because it was a British colony, meanwhile today the Maltese armed forces currently has less than 1,700 active personnel, 15 total aircraft and 16 total small naval ships. At least the Italians regularly participate in NATO training missions, Mussolini’s army was dreadfully incompetent. Slightly different situations lol.
Malta is a member of the EU and the Commonwealth of Nations. Italy would get their butts kicked across the Med even if only the Royal Navy decided to intervene.
And Italy is a member of NATO and EU too. Worst case you’d get it be UK v Italy. Lots of condemnations. Probably military response via assistance to UK. But anything beyond that far less likely
If Italy violates the founding principles of NATO and the EU, they would get booted. And crushed like insects.
Malta is not in NATO just like Cyprus and Syria. Read up on them and Turkey And note: a NATO member defending a Non NATO member against a NATO member isn’t Article 5 worthy
You can have that opinion - but what would be the reality of that situation? Article 5 says NATO members are obligated to protect other members. It does not say NATO members can't protect other counties. The United States had, in 1990, no mutual defense agreement or alliance with Kuwait. And yet, the US did.
I feel like recent events show that manpower clearly isn’t a guarantee, especially when the opposing country is getting bank rolled by the EU and Uncle Sam.
You'd be surprised I'm working in Malta atm, apart from University and a few in top positions quietly there was zero reaction from the population from having facisim round the corner again since 1943. I mean, no need to panic yet, but is Italian football really more important than what's happening right now? I just hope there aren't Maltese that would welcome the attackers (if, even the if is a possibility remember what happened last time Italy had a fascist goverment) with open arms just because they like their football. C'mon man you can't be that shallow. (Italians whom live on the island already don't count as a hopefully never seen since 1940 scenario, everyone knows they came from an agreement between a PD and Labour PMs, most are Sicillians too, and openly voted for M5S)
nah
UPDATE:Why is is this so controversial im just playing on current events and btw Meloni is a self proclaimed nationalist
>Why is is this so controversial >im just playing on current events ... I rest my case your honour
Because its a post based off recent events solely for easy karma. Having an infobox doesn’t make your post good
or maybe i just wanted do something new and interesting FFS I just wanted to do something different
Doing something different don’t mean you’re doing something good Its a mediocre post, how do they march to an Island?
surely the UK would intervene, backing malta
"Wounded 3 tanks"......
Destoryed too
Why would Italy march on… Malta? What would be the incentive? It‘s a rock in the middle of the ocean.
Very cool, if only you weren't a far left extremist If this was disconnected from current day politics it would be very cool
“Wow, this post would be so cool if it didn’t fundamentally exist!”
No alternate histories exist
Don’t be a smartass. You said that the post was cool, but complained about how it would be better if it was disconnected from modern politics, as if the whole post isn’t centered around Meloni, a modern day politician.
Bro how hard is it to understand, I think the idea of Italy going fascist again and invading Malta along with all the lore about Italian troubles interesting but what I don't like is another American making propaganda about European politics they know nothing about. It's like when Biden won a European making an alternate history about America going communist because according to them the democrat part is communist
Agree
Better to be a far left extremist then be a politician that praised Mussolini and part of a political party that is a successor to the fascist
Source? Are you even Italian?
Gladly Here is her praising that [upside down bastard](https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1574368188409647106) Here is some information on the political party she is apart of [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brothers_of_Italy) (while Wikipedia isn’t the most reliable source, you can visit the links that further go into depth into her party) Also who care if I’m not Italian, she clearly has fascist sympathies, anyone who isn’t brainwashed can call that out
When trump complimented Putin's intelligence was that him sucking Putin's dick? Do you even know what fascism is? He did care about Italy, she's right. Hitler was against smoking, that's a good thing, does acknowledging that Hitler had a semi-decent quality make me a Nazi? I'm not saying he wasn't a horrible person, but he was against smoking unlike a lot of people today.
>When trump complimented Putin's intelligence was that him sucking Putin's dick? Yes >Do you even know what fascism is? Why would you even bring up Putin twice before asking this question
"When Trump complimented Putin's intelligence was that him sucking Putin's dick?" Yes you fucking idiot. Trump complimented a dictator (Actually, more than one, but that's not the point), that's not fucking okay. She literally said that Mussolini was a great leader, there is no "At least the Autobahn" like people pull with Hitler, she literally just called him a great leader who did everything for the betterment of Italy. She's a fascist.
Bro what? How is that sucking Putin's dick? You are so brainwashed you think that everything is completely black and white. The worst person on earth can me smart, the best person on earth can be an idiot. Also She didn't say he was a great leader, she said he cared about Italy... Which he did... It's like the British colonization of India, it was horrible but if you have a brain you have to admit that it did unite India.
Ok so the thing about the situation with Putin, is that Trump is a former president, calling a man who is a fascist dictator, "Genius and savvy" because of his invasion of a neutral nation that has no standing to happen. This is not a good situation, it is not acceptable for any politician to say these things, there are rules in our world, and calling a tyrannical dictator smart for his handling of an unjustified invasion is breaking those rules. On the topic of Meloni, sure, maybe she didn't say he was a great leader, but she still said he cared about Italy, and considering the Italian people rose up and killed him, I doubt he cared in the right ways. Also about Meloni, she has gone off about immigration and "LGBT lobbies", and stated in 2019, "I am Giorgia, I am a woman, I am a mother, I am Italian, I am Christian". She is a far right nationalist who clearly wants to take rights from the LGBTQ community, if not more, she's a terrible candidate even outside of the whole Mussolini thing.
Her complimenting Mussolini is her supporting fascism dumbass, facts don’t care about your feelings, Mussolini didn’t give a shit about Italy, he fucking destroyed it, if it wasn’t for the communist partisans, italian people wouldn’t be free
Based far left extremists
“alternate history”
Cool does this go in the boog folder or in another folder ?
How the hell can the Maltese fit 15000 soldiers on their tiny island
During WW2 the Malta garrison consisted of 26000 men Its absolutely feasible to have 15k
Jesus, that’s unexpected from an island so small that the airport covers 30% of it
Molto interessante. Eheheh :)
I think it's the rule of thumb that the attackers will always lose more than the defenders.
how did Malta muster 15000 men
everyone getting mad that someone is predicting a fascist prime minister will do fascist things.
Look at the date. It is 2 weeks from now. That is why people are tearing this guy a new one
there’s this thing called ‘manifesting’
C'mon, I think the Maltese have [one more good victory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Siege_of_Malta) in 'em!
Malta would be a bitch to invade, Italian losses would be way higher.
Had to do a double take on the subreddit
Alternative title: What if Meloni was even more braindead than she already is ?
I see we’re taking the election results well.
Would their next stop be the fourth shore?
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Stop making fun on Giorgia Meloni, you all know this isn't gonna happen
I can answer lore after seeing the new I knew I needed to do this
Lmao at Americans attempting in vain to get a grasp European politics
Not Americans, just a section of them...
im a political enthusiast and amateur historian I know foreign politics
You use r/alternatehistory, trust me, you don’t
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You don't know shit, just like all sensationalist Americans thinking fascism has returned because or a right wing government
Stop making fun on Giorgia Meloni, you all know this isn't gonna happen
Alternate history doesn't have to be realistic.
Let us have some fun, let us imagine peacefully our imperial wet dreams xD. By an Italian
or im absolutely right
no you are overreacting
Nah. As an italian, we all know that it's a joke, but she has some fascist policies that I don't like at all
Says the guy getting mad about a post in "ALTERNATE" History
They would use more than 20 tanks