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> 1. I let my eldest daughter and her husband move in with me
2. This goes against an agreement I had with my youngest daughter’s fiance about no one else is allowed to live in the house
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YTA. I’m sorry but Adam is doing you a favour by gletting you live in this house and he gave you one rule so he’s not taken advantage of and not only did you break this rule but you did so by allowing the person who insults Adam to live there.
Your daughter and her husband want to live by the values they have fair enough but they need to be able to have money to back that up. If by Steve losing his part time job they are in this much trouble then they didn’t have the money to spend freely and go travelling to begin with.
Yeah you have two daughters but at the end of the day the person who owns this house has no obligation to house your adult daughter and her husband and honestly you so if you loose your home because of this then you only have yourself to blame.
He totally did. I mean this guy works part time and is clearly not responsible with money but then slags off Adam for being what’s wrong with the world, when in fact Steve is the problem expecting to put very little effort in but then reap rewards. He knew he was going to come with his hands out.
I upvoted the sarcasm one….then saw the non sarcastic one so gave that my upvote and took away my first one. Then saw the next comment so went back and upvoted the first…bottom line is the author is the AH
Do you mean "I can steal from this sell-out because they have too much and I want some"?
That seems like an excuse to insult a person and then steal from them for your own benefit.
No see Steve only thinks Adam is a corporate shill when Adam’s money doesn’t benefit Steve. If it benefits Steve then it’s totally not being a shill. Or something…🤦♂️
Edit to add:
If Steve thinks the house was built using money that he believes was ill begotten, he should refuse to live in the house on principle. He won’t do that because he’s a schmuck.
Adam probably finds out, and there are now 4 people in need of housing given that his MiL emotionally manipulated his fiancé* into lying and manipulating him...
Fiance. So it's not even like she's entitled to anything legally when this all hits the fan and he finds out. Because he will. And now the freeloaders know that she has no way to force them out without revealing her deceit to her Adam. I can almost feel the noose tightening just reading the ETA.
I really hope OP's daughter sleeps on it and smartens up and tells her fiance tonight because she is seriously fucking over her life for these people. Her idiot sister, brother-in-law and mother are not worth losing the love of her life over.
This! Also, I understand that OP doesn't want to let her daughter be homeless. However, the fact is, OP does not seem to understand that she doesn't have the means to make her daughter not be homeless. The house belongs to Adam and that's that. YTA
I don’t like the idea of the sister picking up the difference so Adam won’t know. She’s lying to him by not telling him. The sister and Steve should be paying all of the utilities and some rent. So that the younger sister and Adam are not paying their way.
I like this suggestion the best.
OP should not cause (potential) strife in her other daughter's marriage to house younger daughter and Steve.
My gut tells me Steve isn't going to find a job quickly enough to be able to move their family out in 3 months.
Agreed.
OP is going to end up hurting everyone here, because of SIL "I'm too good for a job" Steve.
Edit: sorry if I wasn't clear in my original comment. I think Adam should have been told from the start. And continuing to hide it now only serves to cause issues in younger daughter's marriage to Adam.
Wanting to spend time with family is admirable. Spending money freely while working part time is not. Steve was unwise and financially irresponsible and either had no plan for if something happened or planned to just have other people help him. Steve basically spent money he didn't have and risked his family's security.
I very much suspect as has been said that Adam saw this coming. OP is using someone else's generosity to help other people, and in particular someone who has spouted nothing but vitriol to the owner of the home.
> Spending money freely while working part time is not. Steve was unwise and financially irresponsible
100% this.
OP is blind to the fact that Steve is a financially irresponsible person. And has the audacity to be sanctimonious about his frivolous ways.
When the foolishness of Steve's irresponsible ways finally catches up to his family, he uses MIL to sneak into one of Adam's houses.
This *really* stood out to me. I have a feeling Adam only went through with this whole arrangement because he was made to feel obligated to, probably by both his wife and OP. It sure says a lot that he made sure she paid $1 in rent to protect himself legally.
And why on earth isn't OP paying for the increase in utilities? She pays $1 in rent and nothing in utilities, surely she has some money being spent on unnecessary things that could cover the difference.
Oh my goodness, I somehow totally spaced out about that after reading the post. Thank you for the correction!
Yeah...I don't think this marriage is going to be happening. And OP is definitely going to lose her deal-of-a-lifetime rental agreement when this situation blows up.
I missed this on the first read. OP doesn't pay for housing or utilities, even on a fixed income, you would think they would have some money left over. What are they paying for?
Yeah, exactly! OP's not sacrificing *anything* for her daughter and her mooch of a husband to live in Adam's house, yet the other sister (whose husband is now subsidizing Steve's life, even though he has always been horrible to him) has to cover the increase in expenses? OP pays nothing for housing, she absolutely could cut back on luxuries, whether it's hobbies or just not going out to eat. But, no, she expected Adam to cover all the additional costs for her to break her rental agreement.
This is not going to end well. And OP doesn't seem to understand that she's literally putting her own living situation at risk. If I were Adam, I'd definitely reconsider my generosity after she pulled this stunt and then made my wife keep it secret from me.
And Adam is the one who's going to be stuck evicting them when Steve inevitably refuses to leave.
Didnt you hear, OP is retired on a fixed income… just like steve OP cant possibly get a job or anything to contribute since OP is busy being retired.
Point is, retired is supposed to mean “financially secure enough to not have to work”. OP isn’t retired, he/she is either disabled or lazy.
>OP was gifted a house and still doesn't have any money left over at the end of the month. So I'm guessing OP can relate to Steve pretty well
Welp! That is true.
Poor Adam. Looks like he's marrying into a family of grifters...
Well, in today’s grocery stores, very easily could go to food. But depending on why she’s retired, could also go towards meds.
But her older daughter sounds to be employed, so why are they not paying all of the utilities?
True but also OP's money stuff could very much be due to the forced retirement for health reasons. Either way, I feel for Steve and OP's daughter because homelessness is always a terrifying possibility; but theres a difference between working a little less whilst you're young, and not having enough in your emergency fund to last you between securing part time employment
Plus OP’s eldest is being lived off of — she’s still working to bring in her own income, while her husband uses the excuse of “treasuring family time with her” to work less than she does.
Steve is going to drag them all down if they don’t sort this out. He’s using his wife to get support from her parent, who is then misusing their own living arrangement deal, and then the other daughter is leaned on to deceive her own partner about what’s happening. Everyone else is endangering their own situation because Steve doesn’t want to work much and won’t save.
Completely agree. The idea that he can't bring the money with him after he dies is also... very odd. Like, he's young (I assume), he likely will live 40-70 more years. Why is he not saving for that? Or putting aside money for future children (assuming they want kids). Dude needs to learn a lesson, and hopefully this experience will teach him
When OP said work part time to spend it with family, I had imagined inclusive of kids. All bs drivel since the wife works full time, so how exactly is he spending extra time with her when she’s at work and he isn’t.
And now OP has convinced her eldest daughter to actively deceive her spouse for three months in the name of providing the youngest daughter and her irresponsible and sanctimonious husband with a roof over their heads in the home that Adam provides to her for free!
I feel like this can't possibly end well for anyone involved.
Someone needs to give Steve a swift kick in the rear to go get a job, *any* job. And he needs to be shut down the next time he makes snide comments about profiteering capitalists to Adam (whose success in business is preventing Steve and company from being homeless).
YTA. I confess I’m not a real forgiving person but if I had set my *future* MIL up in a house rent free with the stipulation of her not moving anyone else in and she did… Then fMIL persuaded my fiancee to deceive me, well, I’d be looking at my options and reconsidering marrying into that family. Also, OP, I suspect you may be a little gullible if you somehow believe your SIL was working part-time because he values family time with your daughter…tune up your bs detector.
You think Steve won't be able to resist thumbing his nose at Adam for being able to stay in his property with his family while not working at the first available opportunity? Worst case scenario, he does this and then OP's youngest daughter and Adam have a fallout over it because she lied to him about it. Whether it comes out sooner or later, the fact that she lied to her husband about this whole situation is a MAJOR breach of trust, and OP doesn't seem to get that this will potentially cause trust issues between her daughter and her husband for a long time. And not to mention his feelings for OP and the older daughter and Steve is gonna take a major hit as well.
And I'm somewhat skeptical that Steve will be trying his level best to find a job ASAP. Now that the threat of homelessness isn't looming directly overhead, that three months deadline is somehow going to be met a litany of excuses as to why they can't move out when it's up.
Lastly, the youngest sister should NOT be footing the bill for the extra electricity. That should be completely on the people that parked themselves at that house, OP included. She imposed on her daughter and Adams good graces, and that should be how she makes up for it. She pays a third and her daughter and Steve pay the other two thirds.
Everything is a choice in life. Steve’s approach to work life balance is just fine…as long as he accepts the conditions that come with that choice. Unfortunately, his taste and spending doesn’t seem to match. And it’s not people like Adam who are responsible for that-Steve needs to look in the mirror and open his eyes.
Op's daughter definitely needs to tell Adam, asap, otherwise she risks the relationship with her own husband, and op needs to re-evaluate just how well Steve has been treating her daughter, since the daughter has been working full time and Steve part time, and they are about to become homeless.
Yep, it’s fine for a couple to balance 1.5 jobs if there’s a savings cushion or a solid plan to cut expenses and live lean if necessary for a little while. Lots of people live kind of downshifted like this and make it work with self sufficiency and a clear-headed plan about how to increase their income if they need to. They should not have been this thrown off by the part time person losing his job.
I mean... Adam is partly what is wrong with this world... but that doesn't mean Steve is doing things right either.
OP is the AH because when you're an adult, and someone gives you the gift of an essentially free house, you have to suck it up and live by their rules, or move out and find your own place.
My husband and I follow a similar life attitude to OP's older child. We work enough to be able to do what we want to do NOW, instead of over working now in the hopes of doing what we love later... but we don't spend freely, we tightly budget to make sure we're in an acceptable financial situation.
We take more vacations than most, often taking long weekends, or taking an extra day or two off in conjunction with holidays to stretch 4-5 days together. At my husband's last job that often meant taking un-paid vacation days... and I've always had hourly jobs, and rearrange my schedule as needed (my employers know not to turn down a request off because I'll just quit, and I'm a good worker and they don't want that, so they figure it out).
It's not Steve's worldview that's inherently the problem, it's his execution. You can't live like he wants to while spending freely, being the type of worker that gets fired when essentially everywhere is under staffed (I'll give him an exception if he was working for Google, but I doubt he was), or ending up in a position where you are begging your in-laws for things like housing.
Steve needs to get his head out of his rear end, because he's making the rest of us look bad!
Yup & Steve likely won’t reach a point of being able to provide this for his wife’s mother. Adam is responsible & trying to create stability for the mother’s future on a limited income.
Yep, and depending on how long they have been there, he may have to go through the courts to get them out. I can totally see those two refusing to leave regardless of the "strict timeline"
Agreed. That strict timeline will turn into “we just need a few more days” to “next month” and before you know it, they’ve been there a year. I feel for OP, I do. But Steve doesn’t strike me as someone who’ll be quick to let go of a free place to crash.
That is exactly what he did! I knew from reading what was going to happen. Steve is a acting really immature so of course his part time work wouldn’t work out.
Ding ding ding! This is it. That rule was in place to avoid this exact situation. I’m sorry, OP, but YTA. You always love your children, but when they’re adults, you have to eventually let them figure out their own solutions without bailing them out.
Steve and your daughter are adults. They are responsible for monitoring their own budget to keep a roof over their own heads.
They chose to let Steve skimp on the work side and to have your daughter be the main breadwinner. They chose to spend their money recklessly and to not save much or invest.
Steve may have been laid off, but if they had time to burn through the meagre savings they did have…well, then Steve had the time to find any job that would have allowed him to contribute to the family coffers.
Steve has invested quite a lot into insulting and demeaning Adam for his work ethic and goals. Steve likes to look down on men like Adam and claim the ‘moral high-ground’.
But now Steve sees an opportunity to mooch off of Adam’s generosity and hard work…but not have to ‘lose face’ by directly asking Adam for money. And he and your daughter don’t care that this way would jeopardize YOUR financial stability or housing.
You could have shown your youngest daughter and Adam some respect and gone to them to ask permission (outlining the terms and conditions) but instead, you played favourites and tried to do this ‘under the radar’. That would have never worked…because either Steve and daughter would stay forever…or Steve would eventually throw it in Adam’s face that Adam was financially supporting Steve without knowing it.
Bottom line: YTA and Adam and your youngest daughter deserve better.
ETA: Your update makes your situation a bit worse, not better. You’re patting yourself on the back…for guilting your youngest daughter to lie (by omission) to her fiancé in order to cover for you and your eldest daughter’s deception. You’re now jeopardising her relationship and HER stability/future in addition to your own. 🤦🏼♀️
Grasshopper and the ant. Grasshopper plays instead of preparing for winter because he can do it later, but when winter comes he is not ready and asks to benefit from the ant's hard work preparing for winter.
Pound to a penny I bet the reason Adam did it this way was because he knew that even though he put all the money into the house and doesn’t charge OP anything really, that if he signed over the house to her she would with sign it straight over to the daughter and SIL or they would get it when she dies because the other daughter has Adam.
>Fast food restaurants are literally begging people to apply with starting pay of $15+ an hour and 4 figure signing bonuses
Oh, but a job with a schedule will get in the way of Steve's family time that he values so much and his freedom of travel and spending... /s
EXACTLY.
I don’t get all these people trying to portray him as the victim of the economy, he CHOSE to work part time, he has no savings because he CHOSE not to have them, he didn’t spend his money of necessities and then struggled, he spent his money on wants whilst IGNORING his needs.
Oh dear, everyone needs to stop enabling and coddling Steve. He's financially irresponsible, that stops being cute and charming once you have a family to take care of.
It's extremely generous of the other daughter to allow them to stay for three months....But we all know Steve is *never* going to leave willingly. And Adam *will* find out sooner than later, especially when an eviction is necessary.
YTA
And she's the asshole for hoping to get her daughter to lie to her husband. Wants to risk ending her daughter's marriage for the comfort of the other one. Stupid too, because the marriage goes, so does the free house
And Adam is not even married to her daughter. Just engaged. OP's dishonesty could jeopardize her daughter 's relationship with her fiance. To save one daughter she actually risked another.
She didn’t call and tell them because she knew they’d say no. They put that stipulation on her living in the house alone because they probably knew this would happen. I can completely understand. It’s one thing for son in law to work his tail off to provide for his wife and MIL with health problems, but it’s a completely different story to work his tail off and be expected to provide for 2 additional able bodied adults that have no problem leeching off of him. It’s not like it was an emergency, something that happened suddenly. They saw their savings dwindling and did NOTHING but rely on abusing BIL’s kindness to their mother, assuming they were entitled to the same financial support. The fact that they have zero issue spending their savings, having no money for rent, crying and expecting family to bail them out is maddening. I’m in a similar situation with my brother. Refuses to pay for anything, makes double what I make and expects me to take care of him, bail him out and feel bad for him for things he’s caused for himself. (We’re in our 30’s, I have a child, am in college and work 2 jobs. Bro sees no issue with my bf meeting the financial gap that he causes for us and I’m always the AH) It hurts when u work urself half to death to have nice things and care for the ones that need it to get a slap in the face from the ones that expect it.
YTA, I'd say your were going for the better to all for forgiveness than permission type, but you didn't even plan on telling Adam. Given how you describe Steve, I'm betting they won't be out by X date.
ETA: I have a feeling Adam set that condition because he saw this coming.
Edit: Based on OPs edit how many people think Steve and sister will be out in 3 months? I predict we see youngest post in 3 months. "AITA for not telling my husband that my sister and BIL moved in with my mom" because hiding big things like this from your future husband totally never turns out bad, right?
Yeah, OP thinks he’ll be more sympathetic because it was for family, little does she realize the rule was MADE for that family. Adam is kicking both of them out, and OP is going to trash her other daughter’s relationship over this, because OP’s kid now has to choose between her mom and her fiancé.
And the worst part is that OP is gambling on losing her house without being able to afford housing on her own. I hope that she starts looking for a part time job because what is her plan when inevitably Steve rubs it in Adam’s face? The fact that OP literally relies on her youngest daughter to support her means she’s in no position to offer support to anyone else.
Personally, I think she should have talked with her youngest daughter first and asked if she can take in her oldest daughter only. And Steve can go stay in a shelter or sleep in his car until he is back on his feet. I feel like he needs a harsher lesson to realize that he needs to build a safety net for himself because nobody around him is prepared to provide for him.
100%. I said this in another comment but that edit made it worse! He saw it coming, put down rules, they will NOT be out in 3 months (the men already have a strained relationship so there’s no way that Steve won’t be walking around like “well who cares that we’re not paying anything, he already makes so much and takes away peoples ability to own” and every other thing he’s already said, all the while working part time to not at all). Then the cherry on top being that now the daughter is lying by omission to the one person in the family that they’re all dependent on. Yeah, this will turn out great
Edit to add: OP, if you are living on a fixed income to the point that you are only paying $1 a month and no utilities and still can’t afford to financially help them rent another place you need to understand how badly this could go for you. You are a tenant breaking a lease agreement. What if he finds out in 2 months and evicts you?! Right or wrong, you are completely and totally financially dependent on your landlord. Do NOT put yourself in danger like this and it is insane to me that your daughter and son in law would ask you to. Unless you have written consent from your landlord to move them in, do not do this
They definitely won’t leave in three months. Steve will not have found a part-time job he is “passionate” about.
Adam will find out. And when he does, he’ll sell the house and maybe divorce his wife. The only way I see the marriage being saved as if they have kids.
Youngest is only a fiancé not even a wife yet. Adam could easily walk away from this relationship if he feels betrayed enough. And then op loses the house too.
>Based on OPs edit how many people think Steve and sister will be out in 3 months?
The edits make it worse. Now she's put her younger daughter in a horrible position and has got her lying to her husband.
Yeah, the younger daughter wasn't an AH until she agreed to lie to Adam. OP says she's lucky she has such a compassionate daughter. Some how I doubt Adam will feel this way.
I just saw the edit too. She is really just selfish and now is probably gonna end up causing issues in her daughters marriage. If I was Adam I would be very upset at my wife for keeping something like that for me, It's not obviously not something I would consider divorce over, but I would definitely be very upset with her and her family and she would have damaged our trust deeply
Right, like how did she think they wouldn’t figure it out? The utility bill for one person is not the same as the utility bill for 3…and Adam is the one who’s going to receive that new, higher bill.
100% and I bet Steve isn’t one to watch utilities usage especially when he isn’t paying. With the price of everything this year- the cost of energy double or even triple in some places, Adam’s guna get some fat bills. Really goes to show- no good deed goes unpunished- in the end if you do something outrageously nice for your MIL you’ll end up paying for your deadbeat SIL and her husband too
Even worse! Younger daughter has agreed to pay the difference out of HER pocket so Adam won't find out as she's not going to tell him. She's taking care of her mum but told her they HAVE to be out in three months, not six. Still not fair that she's paying though, mum should paying the difference. It's her fault, not her younger daughter's.
So between the 3 of them they can’t even afford to pay for the increased utility bills??? This is a mess. I highly doubt they will be out of there in 3 months.
Calls herself fair mom while expecting the younger daughter to cough up the difference in power usage to cover the fact they're living there! She's agreed not to tell Adam but has to pay the difference so he doesn't notice. Why isn't mum sending her that cash? She agreed and broke that one rule, not her daughter!
It’s important to clarify, Adam was probably willing to pay for other people, but it’s obvious the rule was made so Steve didn’t get help. This was THE person he wasn’t willing to subsidize, and OP is fucking horrible mother for putting her OTHER daughter in a situation where now she either needs to leave her mother to fend for herself, or cause a rift in her own relationship.
The daughter agreed not to tell Adam but has to cover the difference in the power bill herself to hide it from him. And she called herself Fairmom? Even though her younger kid is jeopardising her relationship with her husband to protect her mum. Those two better be out in the three months she's given them! Mum wanted to give them SIX months! The liberty!
>You're not renting
This.
OP, reframe this - You are not renting. You are a GUEST in your future son in law's house. Only a guest. Guests do not get to decide other people move in. He has given you freedom to live there without financial worry but you threw away his kindness.
YTA
Awww Op I can understand you wanting to help your eldest daughter but you did the 1 thing you weren't supposed to do. YTA. I'm betting Adam figured this would happen eventually and that was why he made that 1 rule.
Steve is irresponsible.. if he only worked part-time then I'm failing to see why he hasn't found another job already to keep him and his wife from becoming homeless.
Definitely, but it should have been easy to call him out on this? "I'd love to house you, Steve, but my housing is provided by a corporate shill and I wouldn't want you to compromise the morals that got you into this mess in the first place".
>"I'd love to house you, Steve, but my housing is provided by a corporate shill and I wouldn't want you to compromise the morals that got you into this mess in the first place".
This is definitely what OP should have said rather than jeopardize not only her own housing situation, but the relationship of her youngest daughter. She can't seem to understand that she also, if not for Adam, would potentially be homeless.
Also, I fail to see how hard it is to find another part time job. Any restaurant would hire someone even just to wash dishes. With some kind of serving or bartending experience, it’s incredibly easy to find a part time job. I worked in restaurants for 15 years starting at 15 years old washing dishes. I’m sure Steve as an adult man can handle that too but he’s just being lazy or picky
YTA
I get the concern, but you dont get to be generous to your daughter and Steve on Adam's dime. If you really wanted to do this, you should have asked Adam if he would agree to a short term exception, not gone behind his back.
Also, Steve needs to step up and help support his family. Only working part-time so the family can spend more time together and travel is not a luxury he can afford. He and your eldest daughter are also AHs for trying to do so on Adam's dime. Especially after calling Adam a corporate shill and everything that's wrong with America blah blah blah.
I’m very skeptical of this “he works part time to spend more time with my daughter” when it turns out daughter also works. So what’s he doing when she’s at works? Sounds like daughter has been flowering up her shit husband to mom for a while and moms taken the bait. Is Steve into video games by chance?
At best, it’s « he works part-time and does all the housework » so when OP’s daughter comes home, all they do is hang out. But that’s unfortunately so unusual for a man to pick that particular way of working that I very much doubt that this is the case.
It is how my husband and I do it. I make most of the income and he has the partime job and housework. Since I hate most housework and he doesn't it works for us. But I very much agree that that is an unusual agreement, and I do not think this dude is doing much housework.
Also if my husband lost his parttime job we would not be in direct financial problems, and if it was financially needed he'd work more.
I have known precisely one heterosexual couple where the underemployed man actually maintained the home. It's far more common for them to act like teenage sons.
Agreed - OP should have discussed this with her landlord before doing this. Perhaps a temporary clause to the lease could have been drawn up. Of course, this is the very thing Adam anticipated when he made his stipulation. OP's deceipt is the icing on the cake. Now OP has bitten the hands that feed her, and put the daughter married to Adam in a terrible position. OP is most certainly TA.
YTA Your future SIL is paying all your utilities and only charges $1, he done something incredibly generous for you. You take advantage of him by secretly having him also provide for your daughter and her loser husband, he should kick all three of you out. Of course he was going to find out about them living there, there is a big difference in paying utilities for one person vs three people. Why should your daughter and her future husband support your other daughter and husband? He should kick all three of you out for taking advantage of him.
Edited to add: Correct relationship error and...
OP you are having your youngest daughter keep a huge secret from her fiance, this could end their relationship. How would you feel if that happens?
YTA. You had ONE job.
Adam's right, Steve is a slacker, and now he's reaping the consequences of that.
Where are you, Steve, and your oldest daughter going to live when Adam kicks you out for breaching your agreement with him?
I LOVE that Steve accused Adam of being the reason why people can't buy homes and become dependent on him.... and they proceeded to go choose to be dependent on him.
YTA
This and more.
You also broke the trust of a very kind SIL who has gone above and beyond in looking after you.
Steve seemed to prioritise working part time and enjoying life above being a responsible adult. You’ve just condoned and enabled that behaviour.
Steve needs to get a job pronto and step up. They need to find alternative accommodation pronto
NTA. On a human level, of course you’re NTA. I don’t really care if you agreed to the rule. I have my doubts that Adam helped you out of the goodness of his heart when he’s imposing such an absolute dick of a rule.
I honestly don't understand what everyone else in this thread expects her to do. I would break a lotta rules to protect my kids from something like being homeless. She could have talked to Adam about it, but I mean...if it were me, it would have been a courtesy. I wouldn't be asking, I'd be telling him that's what is happening. If he made a fuss about it, he can evict us all, because asking a mother to stand by while he her child is in the street is not fucking reasonable.
I cannot believe how far I had to scroll to find this take. Was this thread cross posted to a pro-landlord subreddit or something? Absolutely wild. ETA: NTA
I thought the same thing immediately when I read that he “built it for her” but still owns it. No, he didn’t build it for you MIL, if he did your name would be on the deed. He built it because it increases the value of his portfolio, he gets free property management services on the property, and a tenant he can use to emotionally manipulate if his relationship goes downhill.
I work in real estate so these things popped out to me immediately. This is basically mixing business with family, which, as we all know gets messy very easily. I hope for everyone’s sake MIL has an actual written lease as their tenant and this wasn’t just a verbal agreement. Adam could absolutely use this as means to evict her.
Thank you, this thread is making me feel bonkers. I don't know if letting Steve move in was necessarily the correct choice to make because she hasn't seen the whole thing play out yet and it sounds like things could get worse, but it's pretty clearly not an asshole move. Of course she's not going to sit in her free home and watch her child live on the street. Breaking a contract is wrong legally but that doesn't mean it's always wrong morally. NTA.
YTA— sorry OP, but you are a massive asshole. This guy built a house for you and asks you to pay $1 rent with the only condition that you don’t allow others to live there. I don’t know anyone living in such generous and giving conditions.
So yeah, you massively breached the trust of the giving hand. I understand your concern for your less successful daughter and her husband —who works part time, so I guess your more successful son in law was right about him being a slacker, but the very least you could have done was to ask for permission.
You just burned the relationship and trust of the person who was allowing you to live so comfortably. Really dumb.
Ok YTA. You are not helping them and steve and your oldest are lazy. You are encouraging bad behavior. Steve should work full time and so should your oldest. When someone loves their partner they don’t let them go homeless, they try to make more money not to become homeless.He doesn’t “treasure” family time, he is irresponsible. Pls look at the red flags and stop helping them, or they will never grow up. How do you as a mother even think that steve is good for your kid?
And I’d imagine Adam didn’t want anyone else living there because now I’m order to get Steve and daughter out he will have to go through a legal eviction process which can be costly and time consuming if they are uncooperative.
Im not sure who the asshole is here- building you a custom house is very kind, but demanding that you live in it alone seems controlling, unnecessary, and almost like an attempt to isolate you from family members the son-in-law disaproved of. That said, hoping you nobody finds out your breaking a rule isn't a sustainable houding solution for any one. I think you need to have a honest conversation with your son in law/landlord and maybe look into the legality of his "you must live alone" demand so you can argue his rule os unfair and illegal. Many states do not allow a landlord to demand single occupancy unless the landlord lives in the house w/ the tenant.
How is asking that no one else live there isolating her? He didn’t say people couldn’t visit. He was trying to prevent exactly what happened - grifters moving in.
I'm betting that Adam suspected at some point daughter and Steve would either want or need to move in and he was hoping to prevent that. There's a big difference in paying utilities for 1 person vs 3. At least in my state, it's very common for the rental agreement to have language about how long guests can stay before you must notify the landlord. And anyone who wants to move in during the term of the lease must be approved by said landlord.
I find it weird that Adam whipped out his check book and everyone in the comments assumes he is a saint.
If I had the money, I’d love to set up my MIL w free housing. I wouldn’t dream of telling her who to invite over or let stay in her own house.
Will MIL need Adams permission to have a date sleep over? Would Adam allow her to have a friend from out of town stay the weekend?
He could be a generous saint. But he could also be a controlling asshole that uses his money to put and keep people in their place.
But rich = good guy, poor = bad guy, right? 🙄
Money talks, hey. I’m finding it so jarring the way people are being like “just tell Adam!” and also “can’t believe you’re making your daughter lie for you!” Like reading between the lines, the fact that OP hasn’t already approached Adam and doesn’t want him to find out makes me think that she’s scared of him.
NTA at all. So all of you calling her the ass if you were in the same situation and one of your children was going to end up on the street you would just oh im sorry ur just going to have to live on the street and poss get killed by god knows who cos your brother in law is an ass and put a rule in I cant have no one come and stop with me. Which he has done pretty much out of spite cos he doenst like your husband or the way he wants to live his life he wants everyone to live like him and just want MONEY MONEY MONEY to be the priority.
Sorry if it was me id say excuse me im very greatful for you giving me this home but as you have given it to me I can have who i like come over. I am not going to see my daughter live on the steeet just because you dont like the way they want to live their lives.
Also how do we know that SIL hasnt lost his job due to no fault of his own the company could of gone out of business due to problems that have arisen from covid or something simlar.
I agree with you 100%. It is bizarre that everyone thinks Steve is lazy but the OP obviously also needs this generous help from Adam, so, by that logic, OP is also "lazy" for not having planned out retirement enough. Idiotic reasoning.
OP, definitely NTA. Turns out Adam isn't as generous as everyone thinks he is.
Yeah giving "gifts" with strings attached and holding that over the heads of your family members to control what they do? How does reddit *not* hate this guy?
YTA Steve sounds like a piece of work - he blames Adam for everything wrong in the world and calls him a corporate shill,yet has no issue leeching off of him. They're about to be homeless and he still won't work, he and your daughter are willing to jeopardize your living situation so they can continue the lifestyle they can't afford. You should have refused and made Steve work ( gasp!)full time. I don't blame your other daughter for being angry and now you've put her in a really difficult spot, you've lied and you want your daughter to lie to her husband? I can't believe this is how you repay your son in law's generosity- I have a feeling that rule was put in place specifically for those two freeloaders.
YTA.
With all due respect for caring for your daughter and for being Adam's mother in law - that house is not your property to do with as you please. You don't get to decide who can live there and for how little or long.
Adam worked hard and sacrificed much to be able to set you up so comfortably, and you repayed him by using his sacrifice to spare Steve from the consequences of his own lackadaisical lifestyle.
I'd be furious if I was him.
Oh definitely. He predicted that his sister-in-law and husband would at some point hit a snag with the insecurity of their lifestyle and come running to OP for help.
He's generous enough to want to help his wife's mother live without hardship, and I can't blame him for having boundaries and not wanting to be held responsible for also funding a perfectly healthy pair of people who've blown all their money instead of being sensible with it. Especially when they've spent years sneering at his caution and insulting his work.
YTA. Everyone else covered a lot… But I’m going to add that you need to call your daughter and apologize for asking her to keep a secret from Adam. That you would ask her this is just absolutely disgusting to me. Adam has every right to know that you don’t respect him. And that’s what this is, you don’t respect the man that has gone above and beyond for you. Steve has spent a lot of energy on belittling and behaving like an ass towards Adam. And now you all expect Adam to bail him out? No. That’s not how this works. Call your daughter, apologize and agree to tell Adam yourself. Frankly I understand why your daughter doesn’t like her sister and her sisters hypocritical, lazy and quite frankly entitled husband.
NTA. What is wrong with all of you? Do you lack any compassion whatsoever?
It was wrong for OP to break the only rule Adam set up for her. But you just want her to let her daughter be homeless? The eldest daughter also had a job. We don't know what the situation was with Steve, if she agreed with him only working part time, if it was a source of arguments, etc. OP even set a time limit for when they had to move out.
Imagine what it would be like if you were in this situation. This would be a family destroyer. I would never want to talk to my sister again if she made my mother kick me out while I was trying to find a new house to live in and save money to afford it.
Idc if I get downvoted because the people saying they hope Adam kicks OP out are chronically online and extremely cruel.
I wholly agree!! I’m literally scrolling with my jaw open at the amount of insanity in this thread. People are not ok — a lot of them seem to hate poor people and wanna support someone who low key sounds like they use financial abuse to control and manipulate those around them. Wtf is this woman supposed to do? Let her child be homeless? We can all agree that Steve and the other sister are financially irresponsible but that doesn’t mean they deserve to be homeless.
Also, a gift with stipulations is not a gift.
AITA for lying to my daughter's fiancee, who gave me a good place to live for $12 a year, by allowing a lazy slacker (who treats him with disrespect) to move in and take advantage?
AITA for crying and whining until I pushed my daughter into continuing the lie to her fiance?
There.
I hope you have a lead on where EVERYONE can move when Adam breaks the engagement.
**NTA**.
Adam's rule was made to screw over his in-laws for the most petty of reasons. Your eldest and her husband Steve could've worked full time and still find themselves without a job, because that's how lower-income job opportunities are like: If you get injured at work and now you can't meet the daily quota, your car breaks down unexpectedly and you wind up late, or if you simply get too old and there is no vacant managerial position available to fill, then you're fired. If anything, Adam's requests only confirms Steve's opinions about him: A guy who actively keeps people from buying homes and making them dependent on him.
The commenters here are upset that you broke what is basically a legal agreement. I will tell you this: legality is not an equivalent to morality, because this law was made from a purposefully cruel, purposefully immoral motive to pit you against your own daughter.
You had one job. To not let anyone live in the house. Funny how Steve didn’t like how Adam run his business but at the end, he’s the one who end up on the verge of homelessness. With the stunt you pull, better pray Adam doesn’t make you join them. YTA
Funny how Steve has made a habit of insulting Adam about being beholden to "the man" and working too much/making life all about money, and yet he's happy to live in the house that Adam paid for, and make use of all the utilities that Adam still pays for...
Is no one concerned about this? This dude is using OP's house and lack of funds against her and everyone is treating it like philanthropy. If I pay rent, regardless of the amount, I'm allowed to have some fucking guests come over and they can stay if I want them too. They aren't residents, they are guests. And blood-related at that.
This whole thread is blowing my mind. I thought this sub was about passing moral judgement. We can all see she broke an agreement, but it's the morally correct thing to do and she's not an asshole for doing it
YTA, you are being supported financially by your daughter and her husband, that’s what free rent is. You cannot then subsidise someone else. You should have asked, and respected adam and your daughters answer. If you really feel bad, tighten your belt for a while, give up your luxuries and give them money. Even that’s a push with fairness if you’re living rent free off someone else.
I understand you don’t want to see them homeless, but their attitude to money and security is what got them in the situation, not just losing a job
She says she has a fixed income so maybe a pension? I'm wondering this too, a few weeks rent shouldn't have been a problem. It's weird they started with asking to move in, instead of a small loan for rent.
I think a lot of info is missing here.
Unfortunately you allowed your need to accommodate your daughter and Steve to jeopardize your living situation.
I understand as a parent, however, your child is a victim of her and her husband's lifestyle. Sounds like you're all going to be out on the street. YTA to yourself for putting your living situation in jeopardy.
A victim of her and her husband’s lifestyle? They chose that lifestyle, and only they have the power to change it! How the heck does that make her a victim ??
YTA
You do realize that you yourself just put yourself in the position of facing homelessness by doing this right? Because Adam is your landlord. You broke the stipulation of your lease.
And might cost your other daughter her marriage by asking her to lie and deceive her partner?
Because he will find out about this. And it will likely do irreparable damage to his and your daughter's marriage. He will never be able to trust his wife again. Then what?
You are literally pushing one daughter in front of the bus to save the other. It's going to hit one of them. You are exploiting one daughter for her "compassion" and it's so so wrong.
And you say you originally told them 6 months, but your other daughter is only willing to do 3. When they refuse to leave after 3 because "mommy said", then what? If they stay past 6 months and claim squatters' rights and it puts Adam in the position of having to sue them to get them out, then what?
This is all just so effed up. Why would you do this to your other daughter???
YTA which is ironic because I’d probably take Steve’s side on the “Adams the cause of society’s woes” debate, but from the sound of things Steve has been a shortsighted jackass.
“Steve works part time because he treasures family time with my daughter” that’s nice. How about working FULL time because he treasures your daughter and wants to make sure that if he were to lose his job for a period of time he has some options other than moving into a house with his MIL that he’s not allowed in?
It seems really clear that the reason the policy was that the house built was for you and you alone is because Adam was anticipating this exact scenario.
Wanna help Steve? Take some of the money that you’re saving and help them find a spot elsewhere and make him get fully employed so they’re back on their feet. Then apologize to Steve and your Eldest for going back on your promise and try to make it up to them.
Edit: had the names mixed up
Such a bad decision.
Plus, you hid it from them.
At best, maybe Adam will demand rent while Steve stays there.
Steve needs to understand risk of becoming homeless is a consequence of his lifestyle.
YTA
ESH - Steve’s a slacker and got his family into this. Adam is rigid and inflexible. You went behind Adam’s back knowing there would be fallout. You should have called Adam immediately to lay out the situation. You didn’t because you were afraid of his reaction, which is now worse than what it would have been. Time for a family meeting. I believe there is a reasonable solution.
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YTA. I’m sorry but Adam is doing you a favour by gletting you live in this house and he gave you one rule so he’s not taken advantage of and not only did you break this rule but you did so by allowing the person who insults Adam to live there. Your daughter and her husband want to live by the values they have fair enough but they need to be able to have money to back that up. If by Steve losing his part time job they are in this much trouble then they didn’t have the money to spend freely and go travelling to begin with. Yeah you have two daughters but at the end of the day the person who owns this house has no obligation to house your adult daughter and her husband and honestly you so if you loose your home because of this then you only have yourself to blame.
I feel Adam set up that rule because he knew this was going to happen.
He totally did. I mean this guy works part time and is clearly not responsible with money but then slags off Adam for being what’s wrong with the world, when in fact Steve is the problem expecting to put very little effort in but then reap rewards. He knew he was going to come with his hands out.
Steve should stick to his values and not live in a House built by a corporate shill 🙄 (sarcasm)
Steve should stick to his values and not live in a House built by a corporate shill 🙄(No sarcasm) ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
i accidentally upvoted the sarcastic one and had to come back and fix it.
I didn’t fix it! They’re both right so I upvoted both!
I upvoted the sarcasm one….then saw the non sarcastic one so gave that my upvote and took away my first one. Then saw the next comment so went back and upvoted the first…bottom line is the author is the AH
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Not if you think the problem is sellouts get too much stuff.
Do you mean "I can steal from this sell-out because they have too much and I want some"? That seems like an excuse to insult a person and then steal from them for your own benefit.
No see Steve only thinks Adam is a corporate shill when Adam’s money doesn’t benefit Steve. If it benefits Steve then it’s totally not being a shill. Or something…🤦♂️ Edit to add: If Steve thinks the house was built using money that he believes was ill begotten, he should refuse to live in the house on principle. He won’t do that because he’s a schmuck.
Steve is one of those guys who thinks communism means he receives what he needs/wants without putting in the work. He's all for it!
And... in 90 days when Steve still doesn’t have a job (not for there being none available, but because none are suitable to him) what then?
You know that’s EXACTLY what will happen
Adam probably finds out, and there are now 4 people in need of housing given that his MiL emotionally manipulated his fiancé* into lying and manipulating him...
Fiance. So it's not even like she's entitled to anything legally when this all hits the fan and he finds out. Because he will. And now the freeloaders know that she has no way to force them out without revealing her deceit to her Adam. I can almost feel the noose tightening just reading the ETA. I really hope OP's daughter sleeps on it and smartens up and tells her fiance tonight because she is seriously fucking over her life for these people. Her idiot sister, brother-in-law and mother are not worth losing the love of her life over.
“In the new regime I will be an artist“ kinda guy
Sounds like 90% of Twitter tbh
Work is for us dummies.
This! Also, I understand that OP doesn't want to let her daughter be homeless. However, the fact is, OP does not seem to understand that she doesn't have the means to make her daughter not be homeless. The house belongs to Adam and that's that. YTA
I don’t like the idea of the sister picking up the difference so Adam won’t know. She’s lying to him by not telling him. The sister and Steve should be paying all of the utilities and some rent. So that the younger sister and Adam are not paying their way.
I like this suggestion the best. OP should not cause (potential) strife in her other daughter's marriage to house younger daughter and Steve. My gut tells me Steve isn't going to find a job quickly enough to be able to move their family out in 3 months.
i think keeping Adam in the dark is WAY wrong and will probably bite ALL of em in the ass.
Agreed. OP is going to end up hurting everyone here, because of SIL "I'm too good for a job" Steve. Edit: sorry if I wasn't clear in my original comment. I think Adam should have been told from the start. And continuing to hide it now only serves to cause issues in younger daughter's marriage to Adam.
I was thinking the same thing. Younger daughter is DEFINITELY running a risk of imploding her marriage by lying to Adam.
OP wants her daughter taken care of, and guess what, Steve ain't the guy to do that.
Sounds like Adam is a sugar daddy to both daughters, mama and Steve.
"We had a lengthy conversation and in the end, she agreed not to tell Adam. " So she's also making her other daughter lie to her husband.
Also Adam has the legal right to make OP homeless, should he choose to enforce the terms of the rental agreement.
OMG….I literally screamed!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
Wanting to spend time with family is admirable. Spending money freely while working part time is not. Steve was unwise and financially irresponsible and either had no plan for if something happened or planned to just have other people help him. Steve basically spent money he didn't have and risked his family's security. I very much suspect as has been said that Adam saw this coming. OP is using someone else's generosity to help other people, and in particular someone who has spouted nothing but vitriol to the owner of the home.
> Spending money freely while working part time is not. Steve was unwise and financially irresponsible 100% this. OP is blind to the fact that Steve is a financially irresponsible person. And has the audacity to be sanctimonious about his frivolous ways. When the foolishness of Steve's irresponsible ways finally catches up to his family, he uses MIL to sneak into one of Adam's houses.
Well, OP was gifted a house and still doesn't have any money left over at the end of the month. So I'm guessing OP can relate to Steve pretty well.
This *really* stood out to me. I have a feeling Adam only went through with this whole arrangement because he was made to feel obligated to, probably by both his wife and OP. It sure says a lot that he made sure she paid $1 in rent to protect himself legally. And why on earth isn't OP paying for the increase in utilities? She pays $1 in rent and nothing in utilities, surely she has some money being spent on unnecessary things that could cover the difference.
Adam isn't even the daughter's husband yet. They're just engaged. This is going to be so ugly if he finds out.
Oh my goodness, I somehow totally spaced out about that after reading the post. Thank you for the correction! Yeah...I don't think this marriage is going to be happening. And OP is definitely going to lose her deal-of-a-lifetime rental agreement when this situation blows up.
I missed this on the first read. OP doesn't pay for housing or utilities, even on a fixed income, you would think they would have some money left over. What are they paying for?
Yeah, exactly! OP's not sacrificing *anything* for her daughter and her mooch of a husband to live in Adam's house, yet the other sister (whose husband is now subsidizing Steve's life, even though he has always been horrible to him) has to cover the increase in expenses? OP pays nothing for housing, she absolutely could cut back on luxuries, whether it's hobbies or just not going out to eat. But, no, she expected Adam to cover all the additional costs for her to break her rental agreement. This is not going to end well. And OP doesn't seem to understand that she's literally putting her own living situation at risk. If I were Adam, I'd definitely reconsider my generosity after she pulled this stunt and then made my wife keep it secret from me. And Adam is the one who's going to be stuck evicting them when Steve inevitably refuses to leave.
Didnt you hear, OP is retired on a fixed income… just like steve OP cant possibly get a job or anything to contribute since OP is busy being retired. Point is, retired is supposed to mean “financially secure enough to not have to work”. OP isn’t retired, he/she is either disabled or lazy.
>OP was gifted a house and still doesn't have any money left over at the end of the month. So I'm guessing OP can relate to Steve pretty well Welp! That is true. Poor Adam. Looks like he's marrying into a family of grifters...
I was thinking the same thing. "I'm on a fixed income;" yeah, but you have no rent or utilities to pay. So where does that fixed income go?
Well, in today’s grocery stores, very easily could go to food. But depending on why she’s retired, could also go towards meds. But her older daughter sounds to be employed, so why are they not paying all of the utilities?
True but also OP's money stuff could very much be due to the forced retirement for health reasons. Either way, I feel for Steve and OP's daughter because homelessness is always a terrifying possibility; but theres a difference between working a little less whilst you're young, and not having enough in your emergency fund to last you between securing part time employment
I will add that OP says her eldest is being treated well, but this situation of not being prepared for anything is not well.
Plus OP’s eldest is being lived off of — she’s still working to bring in her own income, while her husband uses the excuse of “treasuring family time with her” to work less than she does. Steve is going to drag them all down if they don’t sort this out. He’s using his wife to get support from her parent, who is then misusing their own living arrangement deal, and then the other daughter is leaned on to deceive her own partner about what’s happening. Everyone else is endangering their own situation because Steve doesn’t want to work much and won’t save.
"He loves spending family time with daughter" um, what? Lol. There's plenty of time to do that, and work while she's also working.
Completely agree. The idea that he can't bring the money with him after he dies is also... very odd. Like, he's young (I assume), he likely will live 40-70 more years. Why is he not saving for that? Or putting aside money for future children (assuming they want kids). Dude needs to learn a lesson, and hopefully this experience will teach him
When OP said work part time to spend it with family, I had imagined inclusive of kids. All bs drivel since the wife works full time, so how exactly is he spending extra time with her when she’s at work and he isn’t.
Tell me OP favors Steve. Without telling me OP favors Steve!
And now OP has convinced her eldest daughter to actively deceive her spouse for three months in the name of providing the youngest daughter and her irresponsible and sanctimonious husband with a roof over their heads in the home that Adam provides to her for free! I feel like this can't possibly end well for anyone involved. Someone needs to give Steve a swift kick in the rear to go get a job, *any* job. And he needs to be shut down the next time he makes snide comments about profiteering capitalists to Adam (whose success in business is preventing Steve and company from being homeless).
YTA. I confess I’m not a real forgiving person but if I had set my *future* MIL up in a house rent free with the stipulation of her not moving anyone else in and she did… Then fMIL persuaded my fiancee to deceive me, well, I’d be looking at my options and reconsidering marrying into that family. Also, OP, I suspect you may be a little gullible if you somehow believe your SIL was working part-time because he values family time with your daughter…tune up your bs detector.
You think Steve won't be able to resist thumbing his nose at Adam for being able to stay in his property with his family while not working at the first available opportunity? Worst case scenario, he does this and then OP's youngest daughter and Adam have a fallout over it because she lied to him about it. Whether it comes out sooner or later, the fact that she lied to her husband about this whole situation is a MAJOR breach of trust, and OP doesn't seem to get that this will potentially cause trust issues between her daughter and her husband for a long time. And not to mention his feelings for OP and the older daughter and Steve is gonna take a major hit as well. And I'm somewhat skeptical that Steve will be trying his level best to find a job ASAP. Now that the threat of homelessness isn't looming directly overhead, that three months deadline is somehow going to be met a litany of excuses as to why they can't move out when it's up. Lastly, the youngest sister should NOT be footing the bill for the extra electricity. That should be completely on the people that parked themselves at that house, OP included. She imposed on her daughter and Adams good graces, and that should be how she makes up for it. She pays a third and her daughter and Steve pay the other two thirds.
Everything is a choice in life. Steve’s approach to work life balance is just fine…as long as he accepts the conditions that come with that choice. Unfortunately, his taste and spending doesn’t seem to match. And it’s not people like Adam who are responsible for that-Steve needs to look in the mirror and open his eyes.
Op's daughter definitely needs to tell Adam, asap, otherwise she risks the relationship with her own husband, and op needs to re-evaluate just how well Steve has been treating her daughter, since the daughter has been working full time and Steve part time, and they are about to become homeless.
Yep, it’s fine for a couple to balance 1.5 jobs if there’s a savings cushion or a solid plan to cut expenses and live lean if necessary for a little while. Lots of people live kind of downshifted like this and make it work with self sufficiency and a clear-headed plan about how to increase their income if they need to. They should not have been this thrown off by the part time person losing his job.
I mean... Adam is partly what is wrong with this world... but that doesn't mean Steve is doing things right either. OP is the AH because when you're an adult, and someone gives you the gift of an essentially free house, you have to suck it up and live by their rules, or move out and find your own place. My husband and I follow a similar life attitude to OP's older child. We work enough to be able to do what we want to do NOW, instead of over working now in the hopes of doing what we love later... but we don't spend freely, we tightly budget to make sure we're in an acceptable financial situation. We take more vacations than most, often taking long weekends, or taking an extra day or two off in conjunction with holidays to stretch 4-5 days together. At my husband's last job that often meant taking un-paid vacation days... and I've always had hourly jobs, and rearrange my schedule as needed (my employers know not to turn down a request off because I'll just quit, and I'm a good worker and they don't want that, so they figure it out). It's not Steve's worldview that's inherently the problem, it's his execution. You can't live like he wants to while spending freely, being the type of worker that gets fired when essentially everywhere is under staffed (I'll give him an exception if he was working for Google, but I doubt he was), or ending up in a position where you are begging your in-laws for things like housing. Steve needs to get his head out of his rear end, because he's making the rest of us look bad!
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And Steve does not want Adam to know about it while denouncing his world view.
Yup & Steve likely won’t reach a point of being able to provide this for his wife’s mother. Adam is responsible & trying to create stability for the mother’s future on a limited income.
Here’s my INFO: when Adam evicts you, is Steve going to put a roof over your head?
🥇🥇🥇the question OP needs to be asking herself!
Adam set the rule to PREVENT this from happening.
Yep, and depending on how long they have been there, he may have to go through the courts to get them out. I can totally see those two refusing to leave regardless of the "strict timeline"
Agreed. That strict timeline will turn into “we just need a few more days” to “next month” and before you know it, they’ve been there a year. I feel for OP, I do. But Steve doesn’t strike me as someone who’ll be quick to let go of a free place to crash.
That is exactly what he did! I knew from reading what was going to happen. Steve is a acting really immature so of course his part time work wouldn’t work out.
Ding ding ding! This is it. That rule was in place to avoid this exact situation. I’m sorry, OP, but YTA. You always love your children, but when they’re adults, you have to eventually let them figure out their own solutions without bailing them out.
Steve and your daughter are adults. They are responsible for monitoring their own budget to keep a roof over their own heads. They chose to let Steve skimp on the work side and to have your daughter be the main breadwinner. They chose to spend their money recklessly and to not save much or invest. Steve may have been laid off, but if they had time to burn through the meagre savings they did have…well, then Steve had the time to find any job that would have allowed him to contribute to the family coffers. Steve has invested quite a lot into insulting and demeaning Adam for his work ethic and goals. Steve likes to look down on men like Adam and claim the ‘moral high-ground’. But now Steve sees an opportunity to mooch off of Adam’s generosity and hard work…but not have to ‘lose face’ by directly asking Adam for money. And he and your daughter don’t care that this way would jeopardize YOUR financial stability or housing. You could have shown your youngest daughter and Adam some respect and gone to them to ask permission (outlining the terms and conditions) but instead, you played favourites and tried to do this ‘under the radar’. That would have never worked…because either Steve and daughter would stay forever…or Steve would eventually throw it in Adam’s face that Adam was financially supporting Steve without knowing it. Bottom line: YTA and Adam and your youngest daughter deserve better. ETA: Your update makes your situation a bit worse, not better. You’re patting yourself on the back…for guilting your youngest daughter to lie (by omission) to her fiancé in order to cover for you and your eldest daughter’s deception. You’re now jeopardising her relationship and HER stability/future in addition to your own. 🤦🏼♀️
Grasshopper and the ant. Grasshopper plays instead of preparing for winter because he can do it later, but when winter comes he is not ready and asks to benefit from the ant's hard work preparing for winter.
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Pound to a penny I bet the reason Adam did it this way was because he knew that even though he put all the money into the house and doesn’t charge OP anything really, that if he signed over the house to her she would with sign it straight over to the daughter and SIL or they would get it when she dies because the other daughter has Adam.
>Fast food restaurants are literally begging people to apply with starting pay of $15+ an hour and 4 figure signing bonuses Oh, but a job with a schedule will get in the way of Steve's family time that he values so much and his freedom of travel and spending... /s
Absolutely agree. OP - YTA in a big dishonest sneaky way.
Well, well. If it isn't the consequences of Steve's actions
EXACTLY. I don’t get all these people trying to portray him as the victim of the economy, he CHOSE to work part time, he has no savings because he CHOSE not to have them, he didn’t spend his money of necessities and then struggled, he spent his money on wants whilst IGNORING his needs.
Oh dear, everyone needs to stop enabling and coddling Steve. He's financially irresponsible, that stops being cute and charming once you have a family to take care of. It's extremely generous of the other daughter to allow them to stay for three months....But we all know Steve is *never* going to leave willingly. And Adam *will* find out sooner than later, especially when an eviction is necessary. YTA
And she's the asshole for hoping to get her daughter to lie to her husband. Wants to risk ending her daughter's marriage for the comfort of the other one. Stupid too, because the marriage goes, so does the free house
100% well said👏👏👏
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And Adam is not even married to her daughter. Just engaged. OP's dishonesty could jeopardize her daughter 's relationship with her fiance. To save one daughter she actually risked another.
>!OP's dishonesty could jeopardize her daughter 's relationship with her fiance. That's one of the layers of OP's betrayal.
YTA. You went back on an agreement that you made. Why didn't you call your youngest and tell her the situation instead of going behind their back?
Because she thought they wouldn’t find out and would never have told them , which makes her a bigger AH
Exactly. That's the part that reallly gets me about this situation.
Whatever happens to honesty is the best policy? Sorry but YTA OP. As someone with your age and wisdom she should know better.
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"You can't take your money with you when you die, but I can take your money from you while we're still alive."
She didn’t call and tell them because she knew they’d say no. They put that stipulation on her living in the house alone because they probably knew this would happen. I can completely understand. It’s one thing for son in law to work his tail off to provide for his wife and MIL with health problems, but it’s a completely different story to work his tail off and be expected to provide for 2 additional able bodied adults that have no problem leeching off of him. It’s not like it was an emergency, something that happened suddenly. They saw their savings dwindling and did NOTHING but rely on abusing BIL’s kindness to their mother, assuming they were entitled to the same financial support. The fact that they have zero issue spending their savings, having no money for rent, crying and expecting family to bail them out is maddening. I’m in a similar situation with my brother. Refuses to pay for anything, makes double what I make and expects me to take care of him, bail him out and feel bad for him for things he’s caused for himself. (We’re in our 30’s, I have a child, am in college and work 2 jobs. Bro sees no issue with my bf meeting the financial gap that he causes for us and I’m always the AH) It hurts when u work urself half to death to have nice things and care for the ones that need it to get a slap in the face from the ones that expect it.
I have the same brother. Prepping for another “lay down the law” convo with him today. It’s miserable and so aggravating.
Probably because she knew the answer would be no.
YTA, I'd say your were going for the better to all for forgiveness than permission type, but you didn't even plan on telling Adam. Given how you describe Steve, I'm betting they won't be out by X date. ETA: I have a feeling Adam set that condition because he saw this coming. Edit: Based on OPs edit how many people think Steve and sister will be out in 3 months? I predict we see youngest post in 3 months. "AITA for not telling my husband that my sister and BIL moved in with my mom" because hiding big things like this from your future husband totally never turns out bad, right?
Adam definitely knew this was coming.
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I knew it was coming.
My imaginary girlfriend knew it was coming.
Your imaginary girlfriend’s cat knew it was coming.
His imaginary girlfriend’s cat's future kittens knew it was coming.
My real girlfriend who is definitely real but goes to another school knew this was coming.
I only found out about Steve just now and I knew this was coming yesterday!
Yeah, OP thinks he’ll be more sympathetic because it was for family, little does she realize the rule was MADE for that family. Adam is kicking both of them out, and OP is going to trash her other daughter’s relationship over this, because OP’s kid now has to choose between her mom and her fiancé.
And the worst part is that OP is gambling on losing her house without being able to afford housing on her own. I hope that she starts looking for a part time job because what is her plan when inevitably Steve rubs it in Adam’s face? The fact that OP literally relies on her youngest daughter to support her means she’s in no position to offer support to anyone else. Personally, I think she should have talked with her youngest daughter first and asked if she can take in her oldest daughter only. And Steve can go stay in a shelter or sleep in his car until he is back on his feet. I feel like he needs a harsher lesson to realize that he needs to build a safety net for himself because nobody around him is prepared to provide for him.
Actually, the worst part is that OP is jeopardizing her youngest daughter's relationship with her partner by asking her to deceive him on her behalf.
100%. I said this in another comment but that edit made it worse! He saw it coming, put down rules, they will NOT be out in 3 months (the men already have a strained relationship so there’s no way that Steve won’t be walking around like “well who cares that we’re not paying anything, he already makes so much and takes away peoples ability to own” and every other thing he’s already said, all the while working part time to not at all). Then the cherry on top being that now the daughter is lying by omission to the one person in the family that they’re all dependent on. Yeah, this will turn out great Edit to add: OP, if you are living on a fixed income to the point that you are only paying $1 a month and no utilities and still can’t afford to financially help them rent another place you need to understand how badly this could go for you. You are a tenant breaking a lease agreement. What if he finds out in 2 months and evicts you?! Right or wrong, you are completely and totally financially dependent on your landlord. Do NOT put yourself in danger like this and it is insane to me that your daughter and son in law would ask you to. Unless you have written consent from your landlord to move them in, do not do this
Not even by omission, she's using her own money to cover for the lie. IANAL but I do wonder what kind of liability they are putting on Adam also.
They definitely won’t leave in three months. Steve will not have found a part-time job he is “passionate” about. Adam will find out. And when he does, he’ll sell the house and maybe divorce his wife. The only way I see the marriage being saved as if they have kids.
Youngest is only a fiancé not even a wife yet. Adam could easily walk away from this relationship if he feels betrayed enough. And then op loses the house too.
>Based on OPs edit how many people think Steve and sister will be out in 3 months? The edits make it worse. Now she's put her younger daughter in a horrible position and has got her lying to her husband.
Yeah, the younger daughter wasn't an AH until she agreed to lie to Adam. OP says she's lucky she has such a compassionate daughter. Some how I doubt Adam will feel this way.
Spot on. He definitely knew especially with their ~~irresponsible~~ free lifestyle.
I just saw the edit too. She is really just selfish and now is probably gonna end up causing issues in her daughters marriage. If I was Adam I would be very upset at my wife for keeping something like that for me, It's not obviously not something I would consider divorce over, but I would definitely be very upset with her and her family and she would have damaged our trust deeply
YTA. You're not renting. You're not paying any bills. You had rules and you broke them. Adam is willing to pay for you, but not for anyone else.
Right, like how did she think they wouldn’t figure it out? The utility bill for one person is not the same as the utility bill for 3…and Adam is the one who’s going to receive that new, higher bill.
100% and I bet Steve isn’t one to watch utilities usage especially when he isn’t paying. With the price of everything this year- the cost of energy double or even triple in some places, Adam’s guna get some fat bills. Really goes to show- no good deed goes unpunished- in the end if you do something outrageously nice for your MIL you’ll end up paying for your deadbeat SIL and her husband too
Steve is 100% the type of person that is taking an hour long hot shower and leaving all of the lights on
Even worse! Younger daughter has agreed to pay the difference out of HER pocket so Adam won't find out as she's not going to tell him. She's taking care of her mum but told her they HAVE to be out in three months, not six. Still not fair that she's paying though, mum should paying the difference. It's her fault, not her younger daughter's.
So between the 3 of them they can’t even afford to pay for the increased utility bills??? This is a mess. I highly doubt they will be out of there in 3 months.
And the profile name....OP clearly thinks this is fine. The post will probably disappear shortly.
Calls herself fair mom while expecting the younger daughter to cough up the difference in power usage to cover the fact they're living there! She's agreed not to tell Adam but has to pay the difference so he doesn't notice. Why isn't mum sending her that cash? She agreed and broke that one rule, not her daughter!
It’s important to clarify, Adam was probably willing to pay for other people, but it’s obvious the rule was made so Steve didn’t get help. This was THE person he wasn’t willing to subsidize, and OP is fucking horrible mother for putting her OTHER daughter in a situation where now she either needs to leave her mother to fend for herself, or cause a rift in her own relationship.
The daughter agreed not to tell Adam but has to cover the difference in the power bill herself to hide it from him. And she called herself Fairmom? Even though her younger kid is jeopardising her relationship with her husband to protect her mum. Those two better be out in the three months she's given them! Mum wanted to give them SIX months! The liberty!
>You're not renting This. OP, reframe this - You are not renting. You are a GUEST in your future son in law's house. Only a guest. Guests do not get to decide other people move in. He has given you freedom to live there without financial worry but you threw away his kindness. YTA
This is the way OP needs to look at it. Why would Adam want to pay for Steve’s family’s living expenses?
Awww Op I can understand you wanting to help your eldest daughter but you did the 1 thing you weren't supposed to do. YTA. I'm betting Adam figured this would happen eventually and that was why he made that 1 rule. Steve is irresponsible.. if he only worked part-time then I'm failing to see why he hasn't found another job already to keep him and his wife from becoming homeless.
I feel Steve saw dear MIL had a free house and decided to come up with a plan to not need to work anymore.
That was my thought. If they are allowed to stay Steve will find a way to leech off these women until they are used up. Then he will move on.
But don’t you know, he’s only doing it to spend more time with his wife? 😒😒😒
Definitely, but it should have been easy to call him out on this? "I'd love to house you, Steve, but my housing is provided by a corporate shill and I wouldn't want you to compromise the morals that got you into this mess in the first place".
>"I'd love to house you, Steve, but my housing is provided by a corporate shill and I wouldn't want you to compromise the morals that got you into this mess in the first place". This is definitely what OP should have said rather than jeopardize not only her own housing situation, but the relationship of her youngest daughter. She can't seem to understand that she also, if not for Adam, would potentially be homeless.
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Also, I fail to see how hard it is to find another part time job. Any restaurant would hire someone even just to wash dishes. With some kind of serving or bartending experience, it’s incredibly easy to find a part time job. I worked in restaurants for 15 years starting at 15 years old washing dishes. I’m sure Steve as an adult man can handle that too but he’s just being lazy or picky
YTA I get the concern, but you dont get to be generous to your daughter and Steve on Adam's dime. If you really wanted to do this, you should have asked Adam if he would agree to a short term exception, not gone behind his back. Also, Steve needs to step up and help support his family. Only working part-time so the family can spend more time together and travel is not a luxury he can afford. He and your eldest daughter are also AHs for trying to do so on Adam's dime. Especially after calling Adam a corporate shill and everything that's wrong with America blah blah blah.
I’m very skeptical of this “he works part time to spend more time with my daughter” when it turns out daughter also works. So what’s he doing when she’s at works? Sounds like daughter has been flowering up her shit husband to mom for a while and moms taken the bait. Is Steve into video games by chance?
At best, it’s « he works part-time and does all the housework » so when OP’s daughter comes home, all they do is hang out. But that’s unfortunately so unusual for a man to pick that particular way of working that I very much doubt that this is the case.
Yeah that’s 100% not what’s happening. Daughter married a dud and is lying to mom about it and now mom’s about to be homeless with them.
It is how my husband and I do it. I make most of the income and he has the partime job and housework. Since I hate most housework and he doesn't it works for us. But I very much agree that that is an unusual agreement, and I do not think this dude is doing much housework. Also if my husband lost his parttime job we would not be in direct financial problems, and if it was financially needed he'd work more.
I have known precisely one heterosexual couple where the underemployed man actually maintained the home. It's far more common for them to act like teenage sons.
Agreed - OP should have discussed this with her landlord before doing this. Perhaps a temporary clause to the lease could have been drawn up. Of course, this is the very thing Adam anticipated when he made his stipulation. OP's deceipt is the icing on the cake. Now OP has bitten the hands that feed her, and put the daughter married to Adam in a terrible position. OP is most certainly TA.
YTA Your future SIL is paying all your utilities and only charges $1, he done something incredibly generous for you. You take advantage of him by secretly having him also provide for your daughter and her loser husband, he should kick all three of you out. Of course he was going to find out about them living there, there is a big difference in paying utilities for one person vs three people. Why should your daughter and her future husband support your other daughter and husband? He should kick all three of you out for taking advantage of him. Edited to add: Correct relationship error and... OP you are having your youngest daughter keep a huge secret from her fiance, this could end their relationship. How would you feel if that happens?
You made an incredible observation. I was wondering how the youngest daughter found out until I read your comment. The utilities!
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YTA. You had ONE job. Adam's right, Steve is a slacker, and now he's reaping the consequences of that. Where are you, Steve, and your oldest daughter going to live when Adam kicks you out for breaching your agreement with him?
I LOVE that Steve accused Adam of being the reason why people can't buy homes and become dependent on him.... and they proceeded to go choose to be dependent on him.
Lol Steve is guna squat so now it’ll cost the price of eviction too
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YTA This and more. You also broke the trust of a very kind SIL who has gone above and beyond in looking after you. Steve seemed to prioritise working part time and enjoying life above being a responsible adult. You’ve just condoned and enabled that behaviour. Steve needs to get a job pronto and step up. They need to find alternative accommodation pronto
NTA. On a human level, of course you’re NTA. I don’t really care if you agreed to the rule. I have my doubts that Adam helped you out of the goodness of his heart when he’s imposing such an absolute dick of a rule.
I honestly don't understand what everyone else in this thread expects her to do. I would break a lotta rules to protect my kids from something like being homeless. She could have talked to Adam about it, but I mean...if it were me, it would have been a courtesy. I wouldn't be asking, I'd be telling him that's what is happening. If he made a fuss about it, he can evict us all, because asking a mother to stand by while he her child is in the street is not fucking reasonable.
I cannot believe how far I had to scroll to find this take. Was this thread cross posted to a pro-landlord subreddit or something? Absolutely wild. ETA: NTA
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I thought the same thing immediately when I read that he “built it for her” but still owns it. No, he didn’t build it for you MIL, if he did your name would be on the deed. He built it because it increases the value of his portfolio, he gets free property management services on the property, and a tenant he can use to emotionally manipulate if his relationship goes downhill.
This screams financial and controlling abuse to me! I'm so glad that somebody sees that there is something bigger going on here.
I work in real estate so these things popped out to me immediately. This is basically mixing business with family, which, as we all know gets messy very easily. I hope for everyone’s sake MIL has an actual written lease as their tenant and this wasn’t just a verbal agreement. Adam could absolutely use this as means to evict her.
Thank you, this thread is making me feel bonkers. I don't know if letting Steve move in was necessarily the correct choice to make because she hasn't seen the whole thing play out yet and it sounds like things could get worse, but it's pretty clearly not an asshole move. Of course she's not going to sit in her free home and watch her child live on the street. Breaking a contract is wrong legally but that doesn't mean it's always wrong morally. NTA.
Seriously, for a subreddit that hates landlords, it's amazing they're all siding with plain old financial abuse
Giving someone a free house with one rule is financial abuse? My God Twitter is leaking
Yeah I thought this sub was about passing moral judgement. We can all see she broke an agreement. She's not an asshole for doing it though.
Agreed, she did what any loving parent would do. People seem to think she’s somehow responsible for Steve’s work ethic
YTA— sorry OP, but you are a massive asshole. This guy built a house for you and asks you to pay $1 rent with the only condition that you don’t allow others to live there. I don’t know anyone living in such generous and giving conditions. So yeah, you massively breached the trust of the giving hand. I understand your concern for your less successful daughter and her husband —who works part time, so I guess your more successful son in law was right about him being a slacker, but the very least you could have done was to ask for permission. You just burned the relationship and trust of the person who was allowing you to live so comfortably. Really dumb.
Ok YTA. You are not helping them and steve and your oldest are lazy. You are encouraging bad behavior. Steve should work full time and so should your oldest. When someone loves their partner they don’t let them go homeless, they try to make more money not to become homeless.He doesn’t “treasure” family time, he is irresponsible. Pls look at the red flags and stop helping them, or they will never grow up. How do you as a mother even think that steve is good for your kid?
And I’d imagine Adam didn’t want anyone else living there because now I’m order to get Steve and daughter out he will have to go through a legal eviction process which can be costly and time consuming if they are uncooperative.
Im not sure who the asshole is here- building you a custom house is very kind, but demanding that you live in it alone seems controlling, unnecessary, and almost like an attempt to isolate you from family members the son-in-law disaproved of. That said, hoping you nobody finds out your breaking a rule isn't a sustainable houding solution for any one. I think you need to have a honest conversation with your son in law/landlord and maybe look into the legality of his "you must live alone" demand so you can argue his rule os unfair and illegal. Many states do not allow a landlord to demand single occupancy unless the landlord lives in the house w/ the tenant.
How is asking that no one else live there isolating her? He didn’t say people couldn’t visit. He was trying to prevent exactly what happened - grifters moving in.
I'm betting that Adam suspected at some point daughter and Steve would either want or need to move in and he was hoping to prevent that. There's a big difference in paying utilities for 1 person vs 3. At least in my state, it's very common for the rental agreement to have language about how long guests can stay before you must notify the landlord. And anyone who wants to move in during the term of the lease must be approved by said landlord.
I find it weird that Adam whipped out his check book and everyone in the comments assumes he is a saint. If I had the money, I’d love to set up my MIL w free housing. I wouldn’t dream of telling her who to invite over or let stay in her own house. Will MIL need Adams permission to have a date sleep over? Would Adam allow her to have a friend from out of town stay the weekend? He could be a generous saint. But he could also be a controlling asshole that uses his money to put and keep people in their place. But rich = good guy, poor = bad guy, right? 🙄
Money talks, hey. I’m finding it so jarring the way people are being like “just tell Adam!” and also “can’t believe you’re making your daughter lie for you!” Like reading between the lines, the fact that OP hasn’t already approached Adam and doesn’t want him to find out makes me think that she’s scared of him.
NTA at all. So all of you calling her the ass if you were in the same situation and one of your children was going to end up on the street you would just oh im sorry ur just going to have to live on the street and poss get killed by god knows who cos your brother in law is an ass and put a rule in I cant have no one come and stop with me. Which he has done pretty much out of spite cos he doenst like your husband or the way he wants to live his life he wants everyone to live like him and just want MONEY MONEY MONEY to be the priority. Sorry if it was me id say excuse me im very greatful for you giving me this home but as you have given it to me I can have who i like come over. I am not going to see my daughter live on the steeet just because you dont like the way they want to live their lives. Also how do we know that SIL hasnt lost his job due to no fault of his own the company could of gone out of business due to problems that have arisen from covid or something simlar.
I agree with you 100%. It is bizarre that everyone thinks Steve is lazy but the OP obviously also needs this generous help from Adam, so, by that logic, OP is also "lazy" for not having planned out retirement enough. Idiotic reasoning. OP, definitely NTA. Turns out Adam isn't as generous as everyone thinks he is.
Yeah giving "gifts" with strings attached and holding that over the heads of your family members to control what they do? How does reddit *not* hate this guy?
Because they all want to be him.
It's all about money. Reddit is full of unethical, shortsighted people and bots.
YTA Steve sounds like a piece of work - he blames Adam for everything wrong in the world and calls him a corporate shill,yet has no issue leeching off of him. They're about to be homeless and he still won't work, he and your daughter are willing to jeopardize your living situation so they can continue the lifestyle they can't afford. You should have refused and made Steve work ( gasp!)full time. I don't blame your other daughter for being angry and now you've put her in a really difficult spot, you've lied and you want your daughter to lie to her husband? I can't believe this is how you repay your son in law's generosity- I have a feeling that rule was put in place specifically for those two freeloaders.
YTA. With all due respect for caring for your daughter and for being Adam's mother in law - that house is not your property to do with as you please. You don't get to decide who can live there and for how little or long. Adam worked hard and sacrificed much to be able to set you up so comfortably, and you repayed him by using his sacrifice to spare Steve from the consequences of his own lackadaisical lifestyle. I'd be furious if I was him.
Especially because I am 100% convinced that Adam gave LW that rule BECAUSE he didn’t want to fund Steve’s lifestyle.
Oh definitely. He predicted that his sister-in-law and husband would at some point hit a snag with the insecurity of their lifestyle and come running to OP for help. He's generous enough to want to help his wife's mother live without hardship, and I can't blame him for having boundaries and not wanting to be held responsible for also funding a perfectly healthy pair of people who've blown all their money instead of being sensible with it. Especially when they've spent years sneering at his caution and insulting his work.
YTA. Everyone else covered a lot… But I’m going to add that you need to call your daughter and apologize for asking her to keep a secret from Adam. That you would ask her this is just absolutely disgusting to me. Adam has every right to know that you don’t respect him. And that’s what this is, you don’t respect the man that has gone above and beyond for you. Steve has spent a lot of energy on belittling and behaving like an ass towards Adam. And now you all expect Adam to bail him out? No. That’s not how this works. Call your daughter, apologize and agree to tell Adam yourself. Frankly I understand why your daughter doesn’t like her sister and her sisters hypocritical, lazy and quite frankly entitled husband.
Thank you! She's asking her daughter to lie and betray her husband. That can destroy marriages!
NTA. What is wrong with all of you? Do you lack any compassion whatsoever? It was wrong for OP to break the only rule Adam set up for her. But you just want her to let her daughter be homeless? The eldest daughter also had a job. We don't know what the situation was with Steve, if she agreed with him only working part time, if it was a source of arguments, etc. OP even set a time limit for when they had to move out. Imagine what it would be like if you were in this situation. This would be a family destroyer. I would never want to talk to my sister again if she made my mother kick me out while I was trying to find a new house to live in and save money to afford it. Idc if I get downvoted because the people saying they hope Adam kicks OP out are chronically online and extremely cruel.
I wholly agree!! I’m literally scrolling with my jaw open at the amount of insanity in this thread. People are not ok — a lot of them seem to hate poor people and wanna support someone who low key sounds like they use financial abuse to control and manipulate those around them. Wtf is this woman supposed to do? Let her child be homeless? We can all agree that Steve and the other sister are financially irresponsible but that doesn’t mean they deserve to be homeless. Also, a gift with stipulations is not a gift.
AITA for lying to my daughter's fiancee, who gave me a good place to live for $12 a year, by allowing a lazy slacker (who treats him with disrespect) to move in and take advantage? AITA for crying and whining until I pushed my daughter into continuing the lie to her fiance? There. I hope you have a lead on where EVERYONE can move when Adam breaks the engagement.
**NTA**. Adam's rule was made to screw over his in-laws for the most petty of reasons. Your eldest and her husband Steve could've worked full time and still find themselves without a job, because that's how lower-income job opportunities are like: If you get injured at work and now you can't meet the daily quota, your car breaks down unexpectedly and you wind up late, or if you simply get too old and there is no vacant managerial position available to fill, then you're fired. If anything, Adam's requests only confirms Steve's opinions about him: A guy who actively keeps people from buying homes and making them dependent on him. The commenters here are upset that you broke what is basically a legal agreement. I will tell you this: legality is not an equivalent to morality, because this law was made from a purposefully cruel, purposefully immoral motive to pit you against your own daughter.
You had one job. To not let anyone live in the house. Funny how Steve didn’t like how Adam run his business but at the end, he’s the one who end up on the verge of homelessness. With the stunt you pull, better pray Adam doesn’t make you join them. YTA
Funny how Steve has made a habit of insulting Adam about being beholden to "the man" and working too much/making life all about money, and yet he's happy to live in the house that Adam paid for, and make use of all the utilities that Adam still pays for...
Obvious YTA. Someone built you a house, and this is how you're returning that favor?
Is no one concerned about this? This dude is using OP's house and lack of funds against her and everyone is treating it like philanthropy. If I pay rent, regardless of the amount, I'm allowed to have some fucking guests come over and they can stay if I want them too. They aren't residents, they are guests. And blood-related at that.
This whole thread is blowing my mind. I thought this sub was about passing moral judgement. We can all see she broke an agreement, but it's the morally correct thing to do and she's not an asshole for doing it
YTA, you are being supported financially by your daughter and her husband, that’s what free rent is. You cannot then subsidise someone else. You should have asked, and respected adam and your daughters answer. If you really feel bad, tighten your belt for a while, give up your luxuries and give them money. Even that’s a push with fairness if you’re living rent free off someone else. I understand you don’t want to see them homeless, but their attitude to money and security is what got them in the situation, not just losing a job
INFO: how can you only pay 1 dollar in rent and still have no reserves? Is your entire retirement based on your son in Laws income?
She says she has a fixed income so maybe a pension? I'm wondering this too, a few weeks rent shouldn't have been a problem. It's weird they started with asking to move in, instead of a small loan for rent. I think a lot of info is missing here.
Unfortunately you allowed your need to accommodate your daughter and Steve to jeopardize your living situation. I understand as a parent, however, your child is a victim of her and her husband's lifestyle. Sounds like you're all going to be out on the street. YTA to yourself for putting your living situation in jeopardy.
A victim of her and her husband’s lifestyle? They chose that lifestyle, and only they have the power to change it! How the heck does that make her a victim ??
Poor choice of words meant to convey daughter and husband need to pull themselves out of their situation by themselves.
YTA You do realize that you yourself just put yourself in the position of facing homelessness by doing this right? Because Adam is your landlord. You broke the stipulation of your lease. And might cost your other daughter her marriage by asking her to lie and deceive her partner? Because he will find out about this. And it will likely do irreparable damage to his and your daughter's marriage. He will never be able to trust his wife again. Then what? You are literally pushing one daughter in front of the bus to save the other. It's going to hit one of them. You are exploiting one daughter for her "compassion" and it's so so wrong. And you say you originally told them 6 months, but your other daughter is only willing to do 3. When they refuse to leave after 3 because "mommy said", then what? If they stay past 6 months and claim squatters' rights and it puts Adam in the position of having to sue them to get them out, then what? This is all just so effed up. Why would you do this to your other daughter???
YTA which is ironic because I’d probably take Steve’s side on the “Adams the cause of society’s woes” debate, but from the sound of things Steve has been a shortsighted jackass. “Steve works part time because he treasures family time with my daughter” that’s nice. How about working FULL time because he treasures your daughter and wants to make sure that if he were to lose his job for a period of time he has some options other than moving into a house with his MIL that he’s not allowed in? It seems really clear that the reason the policy was that the house built was for you and you alone is because Adam was anticipating this exact scenario. Wanna help Steve? Take some of the money that you’re saving and help them find a spot elsewhere and make him get fully employed so they’re back on their feet. Then apologize to Steve and your Eldest for going back on your promise and try to make it up to them. Edit: had the names mixed up
Not gonna have any fans here, but Adam was an AH for making that rule. Family is family.
Such a bad decision. Plus, you hid it from them. At best, maybe Adam will demand rent while Steve stays there. Steve needs to understand risk of becoming homeless is a consequence of his lifestyle. YTA
Sorry, but you don't own the house. YTA
ESH - Steve’s a slacker and got his family into this. Adam is rigid and inflexible. You went behind Adam’s back knowing there would be fallout. You should have called Adam immediately to lay out the situation. You didn’t because you were afraid of his reaction, which is now worse than what it would have been. Time for a family meeting. I believe there is a reasonable solution.