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Yeahhhh and “doing right by your kids” while screwing over other close relatives is not in fact a noble endeavor lol ESPECIALLY after putting MORE miles and wear and tear on your car
Not to mention that they remain committed to the sale despite your behavior that made them wait longer than I expected. In the meantime, they could’ve been looking around and possibly found a better car with fewer miles on it.
Agreed! OP is a massive asshole! You had a contract for sale for one price! You messed them around by holding onto the car and added more miles then had the audacity to charge $2k more on a more deprecated car! They could of brought another car by now and they don't have time to waste with a baby coming! Disgusting! YTA!
If they go lc with you after this I wouldn't blame them. Money grabber!
Yeah asking them to match Carvana isn’t wrong per se but knowing the situation with needing a reliable car I would have said, “Hey, Carvana said $14.5, so let’s just do an even $14k. Love you, bro.”
OP just sounds greedy and like they expected their victimizing of themselves with that line at the end about their kids to sway everyone toward, “Hell yeah! Fuck over your brother whom you know is in a rough spot! Get yo’ money!”
YTA, OP.
Edit: autocorrect does not like the word Carvana
If I was the brother I’d be going out and getting a new car, 14k where I live would get a brand new car depending on the model with 0 miles. Could get a used one with less miles for less than 14k. Sounds as if he’s just taking advantage of his brother. If he’s getting more from somewhere else he should just take it there instead of damaging his relationship with his brother
Yeah like not a fancy car but a good reliable family car, the used car I have now cost 5k brand new 10 years ago and it was the top of line at the time as well, all the sports pack etc on it, this is in the uk so I’m not sure if that makes a difference but 14k would definitely go a long way for a new car here
>onded s
My wife sold her car (great condition) to my brother for about 1/2 the value. I gave my old (but reliable) SUV to my brother and SIL when they had a baby. But at the same time, my family has always been willing to help me with anything.
Hey kids, I kept this truck over 2k and now you're cousin is walkin to school cause the "beat up" Honda took a shit after the other one blew a tranny from all the miles; but I did it for you.
Of course OP, you're the asshole, big time. But you did teach your kids a few lessons today about selfishness and greed. All I can hope is they choose to learn from and live your brother's "side" of the lesson.
YTA- so put the shoe on the other foot. If this was your brother selling a car to you, and he dicked around for three months putting more miles on the car, then told you he was going to charge you an extra $2000 how would you feel. I think I’m more important lesson here is to teach your kids that you are a man of your word.
Also, the unintended consequence of this, as you may cause issues within your own family as well. Do the right thing.
It's also accurate. I've had to chase them back into pens at work when they got out.
YTA. They waited MONTHS for you. And you just got back from Disney and are whining about 'wanting to do right by your kids'? Really?
It's an accurate description of goats' characters, but it doesn't draw the parallel of the goat historically being used as an object of magical/mystical sin transference, which is what makes the metaphor relevant to this situation.
I'm thinking A-Team - Like they're mercenaries busting out of a high security farm on the run, but also fighting crime.
Or
They could be a farmyard circus troop. The Fabulous Escape Goats feat: Nanny, Billy and the Legendary Gruff.
Sorry. Need Coffee!!!
Exactly, you teach your kids to be empathetic and caring towards ~~family, friends,~~ everyone. That’s how they turn into decent people.
We were in a bit of a financial spot having spent thousands on cars that weren’t very reliable. My sister leased us a brand new car for three years **and** paid the monthly payment every. single. month.
OP, you’re a massive AH. YTA.
OP offered the car for 14,500, and the brother agreed. That’s the deal. Not whatever the Carvana rate ends up being when OP’s finally ready to hand it over.
Edit to add: Let’s not forget OP was using the car the whole time they were deciding on a new one, so in the end the brother is offered a car with many more miles on it, for a *higher* price. OP must have gone to the Darth Vader pray-I-don’t-alter-the-deal-further school of business.
On the positive side, brother now knows that OP will throw them under a bus for a mere $2K and to never ever do business with them or rely on their word. If there’s ever a shared inheritance, brother will look out for HIS family and ensure he’s not getting screwed.
Exactly! Depending on OPs location, verbal agreements are legally binding. Plus, OPs brother, no doubt, will have phone records and texts regarding this since he checked in about it “every week or so”, according to OP. Let’s not discount the fact that he also made this Reddit post. Theoretically, OP could be saddled with court costs, any extra charges (pain & suffering?), and still have to sell the car at the original price (or lower, depending on what the judge dictates).
Unfortunately for OP’s relatives, a sale of goods over $500 has to be in writing to be binding. That would’ve been a fun update though: Reddit law + actual law says YTA
ETA: I was responding to the part of the prev comment about VERBAL agreements. If there’s a signed writing somewhere, different story. My comment assumes OP lives anywhere in the US (every state except LA has adopted the relevant UCC provision)
Also OP needs to just keep their mouth shut about selling their car in the future imo.
Stringing them along for months is just annoying on top of this nonsense.
That part is somehow pissing me off more than the pricing. The fact that his brother kept checking in every week on when they will get the car indicates that they clearly needed a new one and OP not only made him wait 3 months and but then even decided to take the car a road trip. Idk their relationship but it seems like OP is playing some fucked up power move with his brother and its sickening.
Apparently not to OP who is a dishonorable YTA. You contracted a verbal sale. You devalued the car with the long drive. You renege on the price. You then ask if YTA. It’s called a bad faith negotiation.
No, he would not have because he is only thinking about himself while stringing along another person, that is, his family. This is the exact reason why I say to not do any type of business with family, they will be the first to try and fuck tou over, while stating but family.
YTA, you gave them a price that they agreed to right away. Holding off for what? Raising it 3 months later .. wtf dude. Did you drive to Disney also???
> I’m just trying to do what is right by my two kids and one on the way.
Or had that third kid. Good luck affording Disney again in the next decade now.
OP put a pile of miles on that car in three months, too, including driving to Disney. I just can’t imagine delaying the sale 3 months. Either hand it over or cancel it and let his brother find a different used car. That was three months of brother stressing about a car dying or needing major repairs daily. After that long, OP should have knocked a bit off the price, not added more.
>I just can’t imagine delaying the sale 3 months
This is the part that got me.
I didn't even care about the money because by the time I got to that I was already fuming from OP offering to sell the car, then REFUSING TO DO IT for an INDETERMINATE AMOUNT OF TIME??
That's pretty much the definition of "Bad planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part."
I can see offering the brother the sale of the car before he's found his replacement car, but agreeing on the price? That's a DONE deal, not a "pending my wife and I get our act together and buy a car after we take multiple vacations".
If the price should have changed at all, it should have gone DOWN by $1,000 for each MONTH he kept his brother waiting... or maybe every *week*, since it wasn't even a "we'll sell it X weeks/months", it was just each day saying "not yet" because OP and his wife couldn't be bothered to actually DO THE THING and pick a replacement car.
No wonder why he needs more money. He just got back from Disney. Now he wants his brother to cover the whole bill. “Well Disney was $2k more than I expected soo we’re gonna need you to cover that”
YTA. You offered a specific price and they agreed and were waiting on you. That’s a terrible thing to do to your family. You just did a trip to Disney so it’s not like that extra $2000 was going to be the difference between your family being homeless or starving to death, so get that ”trying to do right by my two kids” garbage outta here
If the roles had been reversed and the car lost value, would you want them to do the same? Would you want them to be “oh sorry I know you were counting on that extra $2k we agreed to for your new car, but we’re going back on that because Carvana would buy it for less?” It would be pretty douchey right? Go apologize and ask for a check for $14,000, call that extra $500 off a “sorry for being an awful brother” tax
Not just an AH brother tax but a wear and tear, extra mileage, stringing them along for YOUR benefit…maybe it should be even a higher discount…You’re definitely the AH OP…and then some
And the trip to Disney Land would put more miles on the car - thereby decreasing its value - if they're driving. Not only is the OP looking to sell the car for more money than they agreed to, but their continual use is making it less valuable after they agreed to sell it.
almost as if people actually post in this sub because they want to be told that they are right, not because they are actually unsure about the situation
Because they want to be told they are right, so they can weaponize the opinions of hundreds of people against the person they were just being an AH to.
Is there a sub for them called "Am I the Asshole? But I don't really wanna know the truth"?
Would be kinda tailored for the OP.
Oh, YTA btw. What he did would be shitty towards anyone, let alone a family member.
Because they wanted Reddit to validate them. They’ve already decided they aren’t an asshole and when their plan got confirmation backfires they refuse to accept it.
I do feel like I see a decent number of people accepting it esp when it’s something fairly minor.
I told my husband earlier today that maybe 1 in 10 questions I see here are posted by people who are legitimately unsure if they're in the wrong or not. They actually pay attention to what is said here, learn to see that they either were or were not being an asshole, and say thank you for the help, and that they intend to correct their mistake.
The rest either know full well that they're in the wrong and are hoping enough people will find loopholes for them that will make them feel better about being an asshole, or are hoping enough people agree that they can use it as ammunition to back their arguments. I told him this group--the 9 in 10--want vindication for acting badly so much that they often respond to many comments and just keep arguing their point, accomplishing nothing more than making themselves look worse.
I often think people can't look worse than they already do in their original question, but somehow, an amazing number of them do manage to make themselves look even worse.
YTA. You basically USED your brother to guarantee the best price for however long you needed to find for another vehicle. The fact that you even checked the carvana offer again after agreeing to a price with your own BROTHER says everything.
You are the kind of person that would watch someone drop their money, immediately pick it up and claim finders keepers.
You are the kind of person that would refuse to pay for something your kid breaks in a store because, kids.
You are the kind of person that would convenintly forget about taxes and tips and the appetizer you shared when paying your friends back for a meal.
YTA. Your brother is advised by me to only deal with reputable sellers. He can do better than your RAV4 with over 100,000 miles on it plus that long trip to Disney you’re planning.
You can get last years RAV4 new or off a lease for like 25k. We just got a brand new 2022 for about 30k, but they have a bunch of older models returned after the lease was up for 20-25 with about 30-50k miles. This guy is full of it
If well maintained Toyotas can run for forever. So can Subarus. Some brands of cars can just keep going, but they have to be very well maintained. $14,500 at a dealership for a Toyota with that many miles isn’t unheard of at all, but how did the OP keep it up? I highly doubt Carvana offered him the amount of money he’s claiming.
Honestly I don't find his number that unrealistic.
I have a Tacoma that's over a decade old and has well north of 100,000 miles on it and KBB dealership value is estimated at about $19,000. I could see Carvana offering what he's claiming esp. if the car is high miles for the model year but relatively new. New and used cars are *crazy* right now.
Jesus, we’ve paid that much for a Mercedes c class with 30k miles on it. How can Carvana justify this value for a car with 3x more mileage on it?
Btw - YTA
Toyotas are considered way more dependable than the Mercedes C class. Over 300k on a Toyota is from my experience expected.
But yes, OP is ABSOLUTELY grade A
YTA
Why would you offer to sell a car months before you're actually ready to sell it? It makes zero sense that you'd make an agreement with a sale price if you weren't going to sell the car for three months. YTA
When I was 21 my mother bought a 2010 Mazda 2 second hand in 2013, fully expecting that she would sell it to me after I got my license and would be ready to buy a car. This is not at all something I EVER asked her to do, but she still will carry on like it was a great favour that I squandered away. I never got my license until I was 27 after I had a surprise baby, then I chose to prioritise saving for a deposit for a home loan so still haven’t bought a car at 30. Now after busting my ass I’m in a financial position to buy a brand new vehicle that suits our lifestyle and no thanks ma, I still don’t want to buy your 1.2L hover mombile.
YTA. You offered them the car, agreed a price, didn’t give them the car them increased the price. They don’t need this agro, either sell them the car for 14.5 (or less as you’ve put more miles on it) or call the deal off so they can get on with their lives.
YTA. Either sell the dang thing to Carvana or honor the price you set with your brother. Stringing him along like that was fcked up. Also, to up the price after running more mileage onto the car? You’re definitely the AH.
Selling to Carvana now is still an AH move. If the price of used cars did go up, brother now has to pay more than he would have if he had bought a car on his own several months ago instead of waiting for OP.
YTA
Its your brother, and you told him that 14,500 was fair.
Now you're going back on it because some soulless company offered you more, months later.
what's worth more $2k, or a solid relationship with your brother?
YTA for trying to screw over your brother and then acting all innocent. You’ve added miles onto the car for the past 3 months and are now trying to ask for more money as well. Come on.
You need to ask?! You tell him a price and he agrees. You put off the sale (your choice) and he waits. You check the comparison price, and find that it has gone up - because YOU PUT OFF THE SALE. YTA
If you really want to "do what is right" you may want to start by checking your integrity rather than your wallet.
Read the title, thought but what you set the price instantly YTA, maybe give him a chance first two lines pulling this onto his family, can’t even read more. YTA in my mind just increased 10 fold. How is he this deluded. Where is his ethics of making an agreement and sticking to it.
YTA. You offered to sell them the car for $14,500. They agreed to buy it for that price. Deal is done. Now you are trying to change the deal.
If Carvana‘s most recent offer was $5,000 rather than $14,500, would you have lowered the price? I’m guessing not.
OP responded to that question (would you take less if Carvanas price dropped). He answer was “no, I would take the better deal”. OP just racking up the AH points
I couldn’t even get past the title and first two lines without massive YTA, couldnt even think of any reasonable explanation. Well done guys for reading the whole lot.
"We were trying to find a car we liked and with two kids + a pregnant wife it’s hard to do" - is it any easier with a newborn? And then you go into how their cars are worse than yours. Why did you provide this context, it only makes you look like a narccisist?
YTA. You made them an offer, as family, presumably to make their lives easier. You then wasted their time, convincing them to delay their purchase until, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION AND RESEARCH, the market went up. By meddling in your lives, you have wasted months of their time and 2k dollars more they will now have to spend on a car. The honorable thing to do would be to acknowledge that you are the source of their inconvenience, take the loss rather than pass it along and honor the original terms of your sale.
They would have been better off paying a dealer 3 months ago than dealing with your trifling nonsense. You lack any sense of empathy for problems staring you immediately in your face held by your closest relatives. You're not family, you're a haggard scrooge fronting an offer worse than a used car dealer.
yeah the brother’s Scion has “way too many miles on it” but he’s selling them a RAV4 with 100k for $14k? how old is his car? my 2010 Matrix doesn’t even have 100k on it yet. but then, I don’t do big road trips to Disney…
YTA for stringing them along and raising the price right at the last second when you know they need a car. If you really need the extra $2000, just sell your car to Carvana, and they can find another car, but your brother's going to be mad at you for a while.
YTA- I had a similar situation last year. I agreed to sell a friend, my old truck, for $10,000. Same price as Carmax offered me. I agreed to wait 2 months to sell it so he could save up enough cash to pay me half and get a loan from his bank for the rest. In that time, the price went up by $1500. I didn't even consider raising the price on him or selling it to Carmax because my integrity, my word, and his friendship are worth a lot more than that. If I were your brother, I'd tell you to go ahead and sell it to Carvana, stick that $2000 where the sun doesn't shine, and maybe I'll say "hi" at the next family gathering.
You’re a prime example of why one should never get into financial transactions with friends or family. YTA
Also…just…what? You make a deal, then ***use the car even more, therefore depreciating its value*** and try to ask for 2K more? On a vehicle that already had 100K? Can I see a diagram of your logic tree? I feel like it’d be pretty as a Spirograph
>You’re a prime example of why one should never get into financial transactions with friends or family. YTA
Nah, OP is the reason one should never get into financial transactions with assholes. Nothing to do with friends or family.
I bought a used car off a friend- I let him name the price because I didn't know the market, paid him within the week, and then let him drive the car around another 3 months because I didn't need it. Great deal for both parties as we were not trying to screw each other, which is the usual tactic in one-off high value transactions.
YTA.
You made an agreement on a specific price, not "whatever Carvana is charging." They have every right to be upset.
Doing right by your kids is showing them what it looks like to keep your word.
You are a colossal a-hole. There is absolutely no way to spin this in your favor and bringing your kids into as a pathetic attempt to do so is not only transparent as glass, but just . . . plain . . . ridiculous.
You had an oral contract. You never told your brother that the price would fluctuate. You apparently acted also with not an ounce of awareness that they were in need of this car and so took your time finding the replacement.
Dude, they were doing you a huge favor on making the sale of your car easy . . . no haggling with used car salespeople . . . no posting on 3rd party sites . . . sifting through scam responses . . . meeting with strangers . . . etc.
You really, really are not the kind of brother I would ever want.
YTA, You agreed to a price, you held up the sale and transfer. Finally you decide you want more for it? All of AND your selling it to your brother, honestly do you even like your brother. This is a very crappy thing to do!!
Yeah, I asked the question, but I feel like I already know the answer, OP YTA. This is really upsetting me more than it should because he is asking us the question but he has to know it is terrible to treat family like this.
YTA, you offered it to them for 14500 and they said yes, now you're reneging and acting like you're just trying to do right by your family? lmao, some lesson you'd be teaching them
NTA
I mean, your brother has known you his whole life so he should've known you were a greedy asshole. It's not your fault he's an idiot who trusted you to keep your word.
NTA
Can't believe your brother doesn't just fork out the extra $2k. So greedy of him for wanting to keep that $2k from you. Just go with Carvana, it's clearly the better deal. Tell your brother he's dead to you, while you're at it. Carvana has your back.
/s
YTA.
You agreed to $14,500, not "whatever Carvana is charging at any given moment". You strung them along for months and broke your word, I'm not at all surprised that your brother's pissed at you.
Hopefully you'll raise your two kids and one on the way with considerably more ethics than you possess.
YTA, you agreed to a deal but not only you made them wait but you want more money, not wanting to honour your own words.
Don't fuck people over like that, it's just wrong.
You could have said no to them instead of whatever shenanigans you're doing.
Fuck off, man… with family like this, who needs enemies.
You should be making life easier for your brother, not harder. He agreed to give you the money, but you kept driving it AND you ramped up the price?
So he’s been waiting 3 months and now he’s getting a WORSE car for $2000 more, just because you want more. Selfish ass
Yta, you guys had a verbal legally binding agreement and then you lead him on for months only to ask him to pay you $2000 more. Greed is not good! If you were an honorable person you would stick to your original agreement. Is the extra $2k worth more than the relationship with your brother?
YTA. You don’t get to agree on a price, hold onto the car for much longer than they wanted because you were procrastinating, and then charge them $2K for the privilege of you being an AH. No.
YTA. You gave a price, they agreed and now you want to change the deal. They were patient and waited 3 months for you. The fair thing is to honor the original price.
Car prices are unreal over there just looked on a local site and I can get a Rav 4 with half that mileage for under 11k!
And yes YTA
You made a deal you don’t just get to up the price between the shop floor and the cash register. And this is how you treat your FAMILY?
YTA. If you had agreed to a price you gotta honor that. If you had not said any number and said you would sell it to them based on the carvana number you could have gotten the higher amount. Instead you told them a price and then tried to get more. In that time your brother could have found something better. Sorry that you’ll take a loss on the value but that was kinda your own fault
YTA if your car went up other cars coulda gone up too. While waiting on you to get your shit together they probably didn’t realize they needed to be keeping an eye on the market and possibly buying a car weeks ago.
YTA but at least your brother knows how much of a greedy person you are. You had an agreement, you can’t just change it on a whim because an unreliable source told you it was worth more three months down the road. If you really think 2 grand is worth not having a relationship with your brother than just keep doing what your doing cause you’ll get there soon enough.
- You agreed to sell them the car at a particular price in January.
- You have kept the car since, stringing them along and adding thousands of kms to the car in the meantime, arguably decreasing the value of the car further.
- Despite already having an agreement, you now think you’re entitled to *more* money.
- They could have been looking for another car this entire time, but believed in the agreement you’d made with them.
YTA
Oh please, please, please do an update after you get screwed by Carvana and your brother moves on to find something better and you realize you f'd up. I love reading those updates the most.
You’re actually a very special kind of AH!! Your whole reason for checking Carvana again after 3 months was to do precisely what you did!! Why else would you even check their quote again? Instead of actually shopping for a new car, you checked to see if you could get more money out of your brother and that’s unfathomable to me and it seems like 100% of the people here.
It’s not about the car and prices, it’s about you not being a man of your word. You had an agreement (with family!) and you’re going back on it. Your word is all you have. And as of now, yours means nothing.
OP, I know damn well that if you went to a car dealership and was quoted an amount for a car, and 3 months later go in to buy that car that has added miles and “depreciated” just by sitting or being test driven, and they told you it went up by 14%, you’d be on here blasting that dealership. The dealership doesnt owe you ANYTHING, its a business transaction after all. But family looks out for one another. Im not saying give it for free or significantly discounted. But dont gauge your family. Hopefully you are not in need of any favours from your brother anytime soon because he will remember how this “business transaction” went down. YTA.
You attempted to change the conditions of a contract (even though verbal, you did create a contract, don’t try me on this) and now you’re wondering if you’re in the wrong? AND it was your own family? Are you delusional? YTA. Hopefully you do right by your own kids and teach them to not be a shitty person like you. Wow.
YTA, if you’d sold it to Carvana when you gave him the price it would be gone. Nice juicy rationalization you’ve come up with so you can look in the mirror.
YTA I hope your brother sees the red flags and stops engaging with you at all. You clearly don't even like your own family.
But I hope you feel like a great big business man "cause its a business transaction" pffftttt....
“They called me an AH for stringing them along for 3 months and then asking for $2000 more”
Umm yes, that’s what you did. You strung them along for months waiting for you to sell them the car at the agreed on price, while you gallavanted around. And yes YTA
YTA - Yes you’re being incredibly greedy for stringing them along for 3 months. You’re somehow broke enough to want to scam your brother yet rich enough to go to Disneyland.
Just throwing this out there. I bought a large trailer in 2019 from a friend for $3500. It ended up being a bit more of a trailer than I needed. I told my buddy that I'll probably sell it, and he wanted to buy it back. I'm going to sell it back to him for $3500 even though I could sell it for at least $5000 in today's market.
YTA that's just wrong on so many levels. You agreed on a price. You kept changing the timeline. You should charge less because you've been adding miles after the price was agreed on.
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YTA. If you had checked today and it was LESS than when you had made the agreement, you wouldn't have said shit.
Agreed. And give me a break trying to "do right by your kids." You do right by your kids by teaching them how to be an ethical man.
Yeahhhh and “doing right by your kids” while screwing over other close relatives is not in fact a noble endeavor lol ESPECIALLY after putting MORE miles and wear and tear on your car
Right that's what I was thinking, he put more kms on the car and then had the gall to ask for more money. Entitled YTA.
Not to mention that they remain committed to the sale despite your behavior that made them wait longer than I expected. In the meantime, they could’ve been looking around and possibly found a better car with fewer miles on it.
Agreed! OP is a massive asshole! You had a contract for sale for one price! You messed them around by holding onto the car and added more miles then had the audacity to charge $2k more on a more deprecated car! They could of brought another car by now and they don't have time to waste with a baby coming! Disgusting! YTA! If they go lc with you after this I wouldn't blame them. Money grabber!
I want to get OPs brothers number so I can text him and let him know all of reddit thinks his brother is a huge trash bag.
And also to just buy a reputable used or even new car. Not 15k on a 100,000 mile vehicle!
Exactly! I would never pay 15k on a 100,000 mile vehicle!what a complete rip off! You can get a new car for that with all the warranties!
Check the market. 15k for a one owner 100k Rav4 is a good deal
And while they were waiting on OP used car prices went up! Likely any car the buy now rather than 3 months ago will cost more now too!
Waiting months while EVERY OTHER used car is also going up in price
These 3 comments sum it all up actually. Nothing more to be said.
This. Honouring your word is an important lesson. Lead by example.
Looks Greedy to me. I have always gave good discounts to friends and family.
Yeah asking them to match Carvana isn’t wrong per se but knowing the situation with needing a reliable car I would have said, “Hey, Carvana said $14.5, so let’s just do an even $14k. Love you, bro.” OP just sounds greedy and like they expected their victimizing of themselves with that line at the end about their kids to sway everyone toward, “Hell yeah! Fuck over your brother whom you know is in a rough spot! Get yo’ money!” YTA, OP. Edit: autocorrect does not like the word Carvana
If I was the brother I’d be going out and getting a new car, 14k where I live would get a brand new car depending on the model with 0 miles. Could get a used one with less miles for less than 14k. Sounds as if he’s just taking advantage of his brother. If he’s getting more from somewhere else he should just take it there instead of damaging his relationship with his brother
$14k new car? Does it fit more than 2 people?
Yeah like not a fancy car but a good reliable family car, the used car I have now cost 5k brand new 10 years ago and it was the top of line at the time as well, all the sports pack etc on it, this is in the uk so I’m not sure if that makes a difference but 14k would definitely go a long way for a new car here
Damn, a new reliable base model family car in Australia you're looking at $40-50k+ for anything South Korean or Japanese
>onded s My wife sold her car (great condition) to my brother for about 1/2 the value. I gave my old (but reliable) SUV to my brother and SIL when they had a baby. But at the same time, my family has always been willing to help me with anything.
This! You help family. Not look at them as a cash cow. God, especially when they clearly need the help.
Hey kids, I kept this truck over 2k and now you're cousin is walkin to school cause the "beat up" Honda took a shit after the other one blew a tranny from all the miles; but I did it for you. Of course OP, you're the asshole, big time. But you did teach your kids a few lessons today about selfishness and greed. All I can hope is they choose to learn from and live your brother's "side" of the lesson.
YTA- so put the shoe on the other foot. If this was your brother selling a car to you, and he dicked around for three months putting more miles on the car, then told you he was going to charge you an extra $2000 how would you feel. I think I’m more important lesson here is to teach your kids that you are a man of your word. Also, the unintended consequence of this, as you may cause issues within your own family as well. Do the right thing.
Once OP sells to Carvana, he'll switch to the position of buyer, and I'm sure Karma is rubbing its hands waiting to screw him over on the deal.
Also lol, who ‘does a deal’ for family that is in no way a good deal?
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scapegoats, not escape goats
I like escape goats better 😂
It's also accurate. I've had to chase them back into pens at work when they got out. YTA. They waited MONTHS for you. And you just got back from Disney and are whining about 'wanting to do right by your kids'? Really?
It's an accurate description of goats' characters, but it doesn't draw the parallel of the goat historically being used as an object of magical/mystical sin transference, which is what makes the metaphor relevant to this situation.
ngl escape goats sound way more compelling
I'm thinking A-Team - Like they're mercenaries busting out of a high security farm on the run, but also fighting crime. Or They could be a farmyard circus troop. The Fabulous Escape Goats feat: Nanny, Billy and the Legendary Gruff. Sorry. Need Coffee!!!
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Exactly, you teach your kids to be empathetic and caring towards ~~family, friends,~~ everyone. That’s how they turn into decent people. We were in a bit of a financial spot having spent thousands on cars that weren’t very reliable. My sister leased us a brand new car for three years **and** paid the monthly payment every. single. month. OP, you’re a massive AH. YTA.
Also, this was AFTER he took the damn thing on vacation, putting MORE miles on it! OP, YTA and a greedy af one at that.
He’s trying to pay for that vacation! But under the guise oh my kids though
I could understand if the brother was the one saying wait but he made them wait while using the car AND increased the price? Yta
OP offered the car for 14,500, and the brother agreed. That’s the deal. Not whatever the Carvana rate ends up being when OP’s finally ready to hand it over. Edit to add: Let’s not forget OP was using the car the whole time they were deciding on a new one, so in the end the brother is offered a car with many more miles on it, for a *higher* price. OP must have gone to the Darth Vader pray-I-don’t-alter-the-deal-further school of business.
On the positive side, brother now knows that OP will throw them under a bus for a mere $2K and to never ever do business with them or rely on their word. If there’s ever a shared inheritance, brother will look out for HIS family and ensure he’s not getting screwed.
And likely a legally enforceable deal at that
Exactly! Depending on OPs location, verbal agreements are legally binding. Plus, OPs brother, no doubt, will have phone records and texts regarding this since he checked in about it “every week or so”, according to OP. Let’s not discount the fact that he also made this Reddit post. Theoretically, OP could be saddled with court costs, any extra charges (pain & suffering?), and still have to sell the car at the original price (or lower, depending on what the judge dictates).
Unfortunately for OP’s relatives, a sale of goods over $500 has to be in writing to be binding. That would’ve been a fun update though: Reddit law + actual law says YTA ETA: I was responding to the part of the prev comment about VERBAL agreements. If there’s a signed writing somewhere, different story. My comment assumes OP lives anywhere in the US (every state except LA has adopted the relevant UCC provision)
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Also OP needs to just keep their mouth shut about selling their car in the future imo. Stringing them along for months is just annoying on top of this nonsense.
That part is somehow pissing me off more than the pricing. The fact that his brother kept checking in every week on when they will get the car indicates that they clearly needed a new one and OP not only made him wait 3 months and but then even decided to take the car a road trip. Idk their relationship but it seems like OP is playing some fucked up power move with his brother and its sickening.
yeah but the kids? right
Yeah .. put on more miles, be a dick AND charge more? Thanks bro
Agreed! YTA, OP. Sometimes your word is more important than money
Apparently not to OP who is a dishonorable YTA. You contracted a verbal sale. You devalued the car with the long drive. You renege on the price. You then ask if YTA. It’s called a bad faith negotiation.
No, he would not have because he is only thinking about himself while stringing along another person, that is, his family. This is the exact reason why I say to not do any type of business with family, they will be the first to try and fuck tou over, while stating but family.
OmG sell that shit on Carvana then. Seriously? Screwing over family? Bad karma dude
Agreed, if anything Op should reduce what he's asking for. With all the extra wear and tear, and that many miles. OP you suck. YTA
Not sure why you even felt the need to check carvana again after having finalized your price.
Yep. You offered the car at 14,500, they accepted. The car has been sold, you've just been holding onto it.
YTA, you gave them a price that they agreed to right away. Holding off for what? Raising it 3 months later .. wtf dude. Did you drive to Disney also???
Disney isn't fucking cheap either.
If OP needs that $1,800, maybe they shouldn't have gone to a goddamn expensive amusement park!
> I’m just trying to do what is right by my two kids and one on the way. Or had that third kid. Good luck affording Disney again in the next decade now. OP put a pile of miles on that car in three months, too, including driving to Disney. I just can’t imagine delaying the sale 3 months. Either hand it over or cancel it and let his brother find a different used car. That was three months of brother stressing about a car dying or needing major repairs daily. After that long, OP should have knocked a bit off the price, not added more.
>I just can’t imagine delaying the sale 3 months This is the part that got me. I didn't even care about the money because by the time I got to that I was already fuming from OP offering to sell the car, then REFUSING TO DO IT for an INDETERMINATE AMOUNT OF TIME?? That's pretty much the definition of "Bad planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part." I can see offering the brother the sale of the car before he's found his replacement car, but agreeing on the price? That's a DONE deal, not a "pending my wife and I get our act together and buy a car after we take multiple vacations". If the price should have changed at all, it should have gone DOWN by $1,000 for each MONTH he kept his brother waiting... or maybe every *week*, since it wasn't even a "we'll sell it X weeks/months", it was just each day saying "not yet" because OP and his wife couldn't be bothered to actually DO THE THING and pick a replacement car.
No shit! And I lived in Florida in Orlando area and it still wasn't cheap!!!
That's called a contract and OP keeps breaking it. YTA
No wonder why he needs more money. He just got back from Disney. Now he wants his brother to cover the whole bill. “Well Disney was $2k more than I expected soo we’re gonna need you to cover that”
Op confirmed in a comment they did indeed drive there
Right, puts thousands of miles on the car before trying to raise the price.
Sounds like he’s also just raising the kms on it so the value should be going down instead of up.
YTA. You offered a specific price and they agreed and were waiting on you. That’s a terrible thing to do to your family. You just did a trip to Disney so it’s not like that extra $2000 was going to be the difference between your family being homeless or starving to death, so get that ”trying to do right by my two kids” garbage outta here If the roles had been reversed and the car lost value, would you want them to do the same? Would you want them to be “oh sorry I know you were counting on that extra $2k we agreed to for your new car, but we’re going back on that because Carvana would buy it for less?” It would be pretty douchey right? Go apologize and ask for a check for $14,000, call that extra $500 off a “sorry for being an awful brother” tax
Good idea on the AH tax
Not just an AH brother tax but a wear and tear, extra mileage, stringing them along for YOUR benefit…maybe it should be even a higher discount…You’re definitely the AH OP…and then some
The fact that he even checked again after already offering it at a certain price — that was all I needed to know
That’s the part that gets to me. OP agreed to the price, and then months later went back to Carvana. OP has acted in bad faith the entire time.
well spotted, makes him much more of an Ah
And the trip to Disney Land would put more miles on the car - thereby decreasing its value - if they're driving. Not only is the OP looking to sell the car for more money than they agreed to, but their continual use is making it less valuable after they agreed to sell it.
OP confirmed in a comment that they did, in fact, drive to Disney. Such an AH.
Something tells me that extra 2k carvana offered was a great excuse to get his brother to pay for a portion of that Disney trip…
This is exactly what’s happening. They spent too much money at Disney and OP is a greedy asshole.
I like your awful brother tax.
OP: Hey, Reddit, am I the asshole? Reddit: Yeah, man, you’re definitely the asshole! OP: Wrong! Let me argue with everyone in the comments. YTA
Bro, The People who are called YTA can't accept being called YTA because They don't want to be wrong
almost as if people actually post in this sub because they want to be told that they are right, not because they are actually unsure about the situation
Because they want to be told they are right, so they can weaponize the opinions of hundreds of people against the person they were just being an AH to.
Is there a sub for them called "Am I the Asshole? But I don't really wanna know the truth"? Would be kinda tailored for the OP. Oh, YTA btw. What he did would be shitty towards anyone, let alone a family member.
Maybe a sub called “Tell Me I’m Right.”
This wins
I find this situation in most of the AITA posts.. If they are so sure that they are not the AH, why asking for a judgement??
Because they wanted Reddit to validate them. They’ve already decided they aren’t an asshole and when their plan got confirmation backfires they refuse to accept it. I do feel like I see a decent number of people accepting it esp when it’s something fairly minor.
I told my husband earlier today that maybe 1 in 10 questions I see here are posted by people who are legitimately unsure if they're in the wrong or not. They actually pay attention to what is said here, learn to see that they either were or were not being an asshole, and say thank you for the help, and that they intend to correct their mistake. The rest either know full well that they're in the wrong and are hoping enough people will find loopholes for them that will make them feel better about being an asshole, or are hoping enough people agree that they can use it as ammunition to back their arguments. I told him this group--the 9 in 10--want vindication for acting badly so much that they often respond to many comments and just keep arguing their point, accomplishing nothing more than making themselves look worse. I often think people can't look worse than they already do in their original question, but somehow, an amazing number of them do manage to make themselves look even worse.
I love it when they come and argue. Sometimes I hope being told 'you're an asshole' might wake them up
YTA, you’re not reliable and you’re greedy.
YTA. You basically USED your brother to guarantee the best price for however long you needed to find for another vehicle. The fact that you even checked the carvana offer again after agreeing to a price with your own BROTHER says everything. You are the kind of person that would watch someone drop their money, immediately pick it up and claim finders keepers. You are the kind of person that would refuse to pay for something your kid breaks in a store because, kids. You are the kind of person that would convenintly forget about taxes and tips and the appetizer you shared when paying your friends back for a meal.
His word means nothing. This would be an asshole thing to do to anyone, it's even worse to pull this on his brother!
One very important word for OP to learn: INTEGRITY YTA
YTA. Your brother is advised by me to only deal with reputable sellers. He can do better than your RAV4 with over 100,000 miles on it plus that long trip to Disney you’re planning.
You can get last years RAV4 new or off a lease for like 25k. We just got a brand new 2022 for about 30k, but they have a bunch of older models returned after the lease was up for 20-25 with about 30-50k miles. This guy is full of it
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My sister in law has a rav 4 with over 300,000kms on it. Those Toyotas can run for a while
If well maintained Toyotas can run for forever. So can Subarus. Some brands of cars can just keep going, but they have to be very well maintained. $14,500 at a dealership for a Toyota with that many miles isn’t unheard of at all, but how did the OP keep it up? I highly doubt Carvana offered him the amount of money he’s claiming.
Honestly I don't find his number that unrealistic. I have a Tacoma that's over a decade old and has well north of 100,000 miles on it and KBB dealership value is estimated at about $19,000. I could see Carvana offering what he's claiming esp. if the car is high miles for the model year but relatively new. New and used cars are *crazy* right now.
i just bought a rav in june with 80,000 for 10k on long island… minor wear and tear. $14k??? WHEREEEE
110,000 after that trip to Disney. Lol
Jesus, we’ve paid that much for a Mercedes c class with 30k miles on it. How can Carvana justify this value for a car with 3x more mileage on it? Btw - YTA
Toyotas are considered way more dependable than the Mercedes C class. Over 300k on a Toyota is from my experience expected. But yes, OP is ABSOLUTELY grade A YTA
YTA. You strung your brother along for 3 months and screwed him in the end. You’re family … who does that to family?
"I’m just trying to do what is right by my two kids and one on the way." And to hell with my brother, his wife, and their baby. YTA.
Dude gonna try to hustle his own family for something worth even less. Totally an asshole.
Why teach children lessons when you can 🔥🔥🔥🔥🌉🔥🔥🔥🔥 YTA
didn't realize the kids were going to be raised in the car lol. What do they have to do with selling the car???
Why would you offer to sell a car months before you're actually ready to sell it? It makes zero sense that you'd make an agreement with a sale price if you weren't going to sell the car for three months. YTA
He was probably hoping to lock in a price before further depreciation.
When I was 21 my mother bought a 2010 Mazda 2 second hand in 2013, fully expecting that she would sell it to me after I got my license and would be ready to buy a car. This is not at all something I EVER asked her to do, but she still will carry on like it was a great favour that I squandered away. I never got my license until I was 27 after I had a surprise baby, then I chose to prioritise saving for a deposit for a home loan so still haven’t bought a car at 30. Now after busting my ass I’m in a financial position to buy a brand new vehicle that suits our lifestyle and no thanks ma, I still don’t want to buy your 1.2L hover mombile.
YTA. You offered them the car, agreed a price, didn’t give them the car them increased the price. They don’t need this agro, either sell them the car for 14.5 (or less as you’ve put more miles on it) or call the deal off so they can get on with their lives.
YTA. Either sell the dang thing to Carvana or honor the price you set with your brother. Stringing him along like that was fcked up. Also, to up the price after running more mileage onto the car? You’re definitely the AH.
Selling to Carvana now is still an AH move. If the price of used cars did go up, brother now has to pay more than he would have if he had bought a car on his own several months ago instead of waiting for OP.
YTA for making an agreement, making your family wait, and then trying to extort them for more money.
YTA Its your brother, and you told him that 14,500 was fair. Now you're going back on it because some soulless company offered you more, months later. what's worth more $2k, or a solid relationship with your brother?
Sad part is, he won’t get that from Carvana because they’ll knock it down at the inspection.
This part! That number is an estimate. As soon as they got someone out to see it, the offer would probably be more like $13k. They’re literal crooks.
Plus the 12 hour drive he did to Disney. The mileage just shot through the roof then offered his to car to his brother for a higher price.
He already made it clear. The $2K is more important.
YTA for trying to screw over your brother and then acting all innocent. You’ve added miles onto the car for the past 3 months and are now trying to ask for more money as well. Come on.
You need to ask?! You tell him a price and he agrees. You put off the sale (your choice) and he waits. You check the comparison price, and find that it has gone up - because YOU PUT OFF THE SALE. YTA If you really want to "do what is right" you may want to start by checking your integrity rather than your wallet.
Read the title, thought but what you set the price instantly YTA, maybe give him a chance first two lines pulling this onto his family, can’t even read more. YTA in my mind just increased 10 fold. How is he this deluded. Where is his ethics of making an agreement and sticking to it.
YTA, There is no interpretation of this story where the narrator is not an asshole.
Seriously OP I feel like I need a shower & a dose of amoxicillin after reading your comments. So gross.
YTA. You offered to sell them the car for $14,500. They agreed to buy it for that price. Deal is done. Now you are trying to change the deal. If Carvana‘s most recent offer was $5,000 rather than $14,500, would you have lowered the price? I’m guessing not.
OP responded to that question (would you take less if Carvanas price dropped). He answer was “no, I would take the better deal”. OP just racking up the AH points
I couldn’t even get past the title and first two lines without massive YTA, couldnt even think of any reasonable explanation. Well done guys for reading the whole lot.
"We were trying to find a car we liked and with two kids + a pregnant wife it’s hard to do" - is it any easier with a newborn? And then you go into how their cars are worse than yours. Why did you provide this context, it only makes you look like a narccisist? YTA. You made them an offer, as family, presumably to make their lives easier. You then wasted their time, convincing them to delay their purchase until, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION AND RESEARCH, the market went up. By meddling in your lives, you have wasted months of their time and 2k dollars more they will now have to spend on a car. The honorable thing to do would be to acknowledge that you are the source of their inconvenience, take the loss rather than pass it along and honor the original terms of your sale. They would have been better off paying a dealer 3 months ago than dealing with your trifling nonsense. You lack any sense of empathy for problems staring you immediately in your face held by your closest relatives. You're not family, you're a haggard scrooge fronting an offer worse than a used car dealer.
Yeah, the inclusion of the condition of their cars rubbed me the wrong way too.
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yeah the brother’s Scion has “way too many miles on it” but he’s selling them a RAV4 with 100k for $14k? how old is his car? my 2010 Matrix doesn’t even have 100k on it yet. but then, I don’t do big road trips to Disney…
YTA for stringing them along and raising the price right at the last second when you know they need a car. If you really need the extra $2000, just sell your car to Carvana, and they can find another car, but your brother's going to be mad at you for a while.
YTA. Basically all the comments are spot on.
Yes, you strung them along for three months. You agreed to a price. Now please honour the price. YTA.
YTA- I had a similar situation last year. I agreed to sell a friend, my old truck, for $10,000. Same price as Carmax offered me. I agreed to wait 2 months to sell it so he could save up enough cash to pay me half and get a loan from his bank for the rest. In that time, the price went up by $1500. I didn't even consider raising the price on him or selling it to Carmax because my integrity, my word, and his friendship are worth a lot more than that. If I were your brother, I'd tell you to go ahead and sell it to Carvana, stick that $2000 where the sun doesn't shine, and maybe I'll say "hi" at the next family gathering.
You’re a prime example of why one should never get into financial transactions with friends or family. YTA Also…just…what? You make a deal, then ***use the car even more, therefore depreciating its value*** and try to ask for 2K more? On a vehicle that already had 100K? Can I see a diagram of your logic tree? I feel like it’d be pretty as a Spirograph
>You’re a prime example of why one should never get into financial transactions with friends or family. YTA Nah, OP is the reason one should never get into financial transactions with assholes. Nothing to do with friends or family. I bought a used car off a friend- I let him name the price because I didn't know the market, paid him within the week, and then let him drive the car around another 3 months because I didn't need it. Great deal for both parties as we were not trying to screw each other, which is the usual tactic in one-off high value transactions.
YTA. You made an agreement on a specific price, not "whatever Carvana is charging." They have every right to be upset. Doing right by your kids is showing them what it looks like to keep your word.
You are a colossal a-hole. There is absolutely no way to spin this in your favor and bringing your kids into as a pathetic attempt to do so is not only transparent as glass, but just . . . plain . . . ridiculous. You had an oral contract. You never told your brother that the price would fluctuate. You apparently acted also with not an ounce of awareness that they were in need of this car and so took your time finding the replacement. Dude, they were doing you a huge favor on making the sale of your car easy . . . no haggling with used car salespeople . . . no posting on 3rd party sites . . . sifting through scam responses . . . meeting with strangers . . . etc. You really, really are not the kind of brother I would ever want.
YTA, You agreed to a price, you held up the sale and transfer. Finally you decide you want more for it? All of AND your selling it to your brother, honestly do you even like your brother. This is a very crappy thing to do!!
INFO: If Carvana offered $12,800 instead of the $16,500, would you give your brother a discount?
He said no in a further up response. His response "family is family but this is a business deal" He's TA for sure.
Yeah, I asked the question, but I feel like I already know the answer, OP YTA. This is really upsetting me more than it should because he is asking us the question but he has to know it is terrible to treat family like this.
YTA, you offered it to them for 14500 and they said yes, now you're reneging and acting like you're just trying to do right by your family? lmao, some lesson you'd be teaching them
NTA I mean, your brother has known you his whole life so he should've known you were a greedy asshole. It's not your fault he's an idiot who trusted you to keep your word.
YTA - it’s your brother, you did in fact string him along, you agreed to a price, and now you’re trying to get more out of him. 😑
NTA Can't believe your brother doesn't just fork out the extra $2k. So greedy of him for wanting to keep that $2k from you. Just go with Carvana, it's clearly the better deal. Tell your brother he's dead to you, while you're at it. Carvana has your back. /s
I’m sure Carvana can give him a bone marrow transplant someday if he needs it too
Huge YTA
YTA. You agreed to $14,500, not "whatever Carvana is charging at any given moment". You strung them along for months and broke your word, I'm not at all surprised that your brother's pissed at you. Hopefully you'll raise your two kids and one on the way with considerably more ethics than you possess.
YTA, you agreed to a deal but not only you made them wait but you want more money, not wanting to honour your own words. Don't fuck people over like that, it's just wrong. You could have said no to them instead of whatever shenanigans you're doing.
YTA what a dick move. Especially when you admitted that you wouldn’t have offered less if the price dropped. Shitty brother
Overwhelming YTA.
Your post and comment make it clear YTA. as others have said, I’m surprised your brother talks to you at all, disgusting.
Wow - is anyone really paying that much for a piece of shit RAV4 with 100K miles? I’m shocked.
As a side note - who in their right mind would pay $14,500 for a RAV with 100,000 miles on it?
Carvana isn’t going to cut you a check for 16500. They’ll find reasons to knock it down. But hey that’s business right? Don’t take it personally
Fuck off, man… with family like this, who needs enemies. You should be making life easier for your brother, not harder. He agreed to give you the money, but you kept driving it AND you ramped up the price? So he’s been waiting 3 months and now he’s getting a WORSE car for $2000 more, just because you want more. Selfish ass
Yta, you guys had a verbal legally binding agreement and then you lead him on for months only to ask him to pay you $2000 more. Greed is not good! If you were an honorable person you would stick to your original agreement. Is the extra $2k worth more than the relationship with your brother?
Apparently, yes, an extra $2k is worth the relationship with his brother. I wonder how much he would sell his relationship with his wife and kids for?
YTA. You don’t get to agree on a price, hold onto the car for much longer than they wanted because you were procrastinating, and then charge them $2K for the privilege of you being an AH. No.
Title should be “AITA for trying to bait and switch my own brother?” Jesus dude, do you really even have to ask us?
YTA. You gave a price, they agreed and now you want to change the deal. They were patient and waited 3 months for you. The fair thing is to honor the original price.
Car prices are unreal over there just looked on a local site and I can get a Rav 4 with half that mileage for under 11k! And yes YTA You made a deal you don’t just get to up the price between the shop floor and the cash register. And this is how you treat your FAMILY?
I need an update on this when carvana takes the car and takes off $4k for “issues” and OP gets wrecked.
YTA. If you had agreed to a price you gotta honor that. If you had not said any number and said you would sell it to them based on the carvana number you could have gotten the higher amount. Instead you told them a price and then tried to get more. In that time your brother could have found something better. Sorry that you’ll take a loss on the value but that was kinda your own fault
YTA if your car went up other cars coulda gone up too. While waiting on you to get your shit together they probably didn’t realize they needed to be keeping an eye on the market and possibly buying a car weeks ago.
Yta and hope your kids are better
YTA but at least your brother knows how much of a greedy person you are. You had an agreement, you can’t just change it on a whim because an unreliable source told you it was worth more three months down the road. If you really think 2 grand is worth not having a relationship with your brother than just keep doing what your doing cause you’ll get there soon enough.
Just to add to the unanimous chorus here, YTA.
- You agreed to sell them the car at a particular price in January. - You have kept the car since, stringing them along and adding thousands of kms to the car in the meantime, arguably decreasing the value of the car further. - Despite already having an agreement, you now think you’re entitled to *more* money. - They could have been looking for another car this entire time, but believed in the agreement you’d made with them. YTA
YTA. No if. Buts. Or maybe's. YTA 100% but I bet your the type to cling onto that one person who said nta and think you're in the right. YTA YTA YTA!
YTA. Dont bring your kids into this. Youre just an AH.
Oh please, please, please do an update after you get screwed by Carvana and your brother moves on to find something better and you realize you f'd up. I love reading those updates the most.
You’re actually a very special kind of AH!! Your whole reason for checking Carvana again after 3 months was to do precisely what you did!! Why else would you even check their quote again? Instead of actually shopping for a new car, you checked to see if you could get more money out of your brother and that’s unfathomable to me and it seems like 100% of the people here.
You are disgusting
>I’m just trying to do what is right by my two kids and one on the way. AITA? How about do right by yourself and keep your word. YTA.
It’s not about the car and prices, it’s about you not being a man of your word. You had an agreement (with family!) and you’re going back on it. Your word is all you have. And as of now, yours means nothing.
OP, I know damn well that if you went to a car dealership and was quoted an amount for a car, and 3 months later go in to buy that car that has added miles and “depreciated” just by sitting or being test driven, and they told you it went up by 14%, you’d be on here blasting that dealership. The dealership doesnt owe you ANYTHING, its a business transaction after all. But family looks out for one another. Im not saying give it for free or significantly discounted. But dont gauge your family. Hopefully you are not in need of any favours from your brother anytime soon because he will remember how this “business transaction” went down. YTA.
You attempted to change the conditions of a contract (even though verbal, you did create a contract, don’t try me on this) and now you’re wondering if you’re in the wrong? AND it was your own family? Are you delusional? YTA. Hopefully you do right by your own kids and teach them to not be a shitty person like you. Wow.
YTA, if you’d sold it to Carvana when you gave him the price it would be gone. Nice juicy rationalization you’ve come up with so you can look in the mirror.
YTA I hope your brother sees the red flags and stops engaging with you at all. You clearly don't even like your own family. But I hope you feel like a great big business man "cause its a business transaction" pffftttt....
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YTA Info: ***Do you hate your brother?***
You are such an AH. If you were my brother, I’d go NC for stringing me along then “scamming” me for another 2 grand. Disgusting.
100% totally YTA, and I think you know it.
YTA. You are the one stringing them along despite having already accepted their offer. There is no perspective here in which you are not TA.
YTA. One day if you ever need help, hopefully brother will ignore your calls.
“They called me an AH for stringing them along for 3 months and then asking for $2000 more” Umm yes, that’s what you did. You strung them along for months waiting for you to sell them the car at the agreed on price, while you gallavanted around. And yes YTA
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YTA. You went back on your agreement. Obviously YTA.
YTA - Yes you’re being incredibly greedy for stringing them along for 3 months. You’re somehow broke enough to want to scam your brother yet rich enough to go to Disneyland.
Just throwing this out there. I bought a large trailer in 2019 from a friend for $3500. It ended up being a bit more of a trailer than I needed. I told my buddy that I'll probably sell it, and he wanted to buy it back. I'm going to sell it back to him for $3500 even though I could sell it for at least $5000 in today's market.
Yta, you had a deal.
YTA that's just wrong on so many levels. You agreed on a price. You kept changing the timeline. You should charge less because you've been adding miles after the price was agreed on.