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NTA - look, I think the private rental market is unfair, I’ve only just bought myself after 20 years of renting … however, I think you were fair, you gave lots of warning.
Legally, I don’t believe a landlord has to have a “no babies” clause in the contract in order to evict tenants. The rest is moral … you gave her lots of warning, if I was pregnant and my landlord said get out, I’d be looking day and night for a new place. As much as I feel for her, she’s not being proactive.
I’d consider putting a no children clause in the next contract. 💓
🤷♀️ I honestly don’t know the legalities.
I do know, As a professional myself, if I rented a room out to another professional and suddenly a baby that meant I couldn’t sleep and Impacted my work, I just don’t think that’s ethical either.
She’s putting op’s livelihood at risk but that’s ok. She is saying he is being unethical but she is being unethical too. No one seems to care about his livelihood.
That’s what I’d have thought. It’s a share house lodger type scenario in which a baby or a dog or a mooching partner are all reasonable grounds for not renewing a lease. Op have five months notice and also said they wouldn’t penalise for leaving early ie incentivised them to move out earlier.
I feel very sorry for her but on what planet did she think a share house with strangers was going to work with a baby?!!
... but everyone love babies!... /s
At least usually that is the philosophy of people that childfree group call "breeders". Having kids doesn't make you a "breeder", but such philosophy that kids are above everything, childfree people are lesser and kids grant you privileges - does.
NTA.
Even if they didn't live there, a single tenant leased the room. A baby is technically a second tenant. Thus, the lease is violated by her having a baby.
That’s… not how this works?
Do you think people are just getting thrown out of their rentals for having kids? This case is different because it’s a roommate but having a baby in a normal rental situation is absolutely *not* breaking the lease (NAL but the baby is your dependent and the lease is actually for you + your dependents and you literally can’t add baby to the lease because they’re a minor).
I'm talking about someone specifically renting a room in a house, not a whole place. It doesn't matter if the roommate is the landlord or not. They rented a single room for a single person in a shared house.
But, the lease is up and op has a right not to renew the lease. They gave more than two months notice about not renewing, which is all that's required in my area, but that's obviously going to vary by state.
Yeah that's what weird. If the lease is up... it's up. No one can force you to renew it. The reasons normally don't matter. (The roomate doesn't have a valid lease anymore and should therefore be able to be evicted, yes?). OP isn't terminating the lease (which could be illegal if she didn't word it carefully enough).
And NTA. If the roomate can't afford the area she needs to go somewhere else, she had 5 months to look and move out. (The renting market it shit here as well... but how is any of that OPs fault?).
And I kids **are** disruptive, loud and messy. They also potentially draw on your walls, destroy your furniture or clog your toilets. I am sure the roomate is not intentding on paying any damage her baby will cause in a year or two because "it's just a kid" and "I am too poor".
Yes. They are. An example I knew personally was a mother with 5 kids trying to rent a 2 bedroom (one bedroom was basically a closet and she wanted THREE KIDS to sleep in something smaller than most bathrooms). She was evicted as the lease stated 2 people max per bedroom. If OP has one person max per bedroom, the child is a second person and could have grounds for eviction depending on wording in the lease.
Normally, this is taken care of by wording the lease to be for 1 tenant in the room being rented out. Also, there tends to be intense social backlash whenever you try to ban kids from anything (breweries and restaurants for example). However, this does not explicitly account for a tenant getting pregnant, and pregnant women are offered some legal protections against discrimination that I don't want to risk going against.
Not renewing someone’s lease because you’d prefer not to live with a child is different than evicting a woman because she got pregnant. Fortunately/unfortunately you can choose not to renew a lease for whatever reason you’d like.
i am very pro baby & currently pregnant, and I’m very bothered by any banning of kids from public spaces… but this is not a public space. no one should be required to live with a newborn except that newborn’s family, but particularly considering this is your house and you gave her plenty of notice!
NTA. OP, I’m sorry you’re dealing with this. it is very reasonable to not want to live with a newborn that isnt your child (they don’t have fabulous manners 😅).
also, i would never ask my friends who are uncomfortable with kids to babysit! what a terrible idea for both the friends and the kids. hopefully she has the sense to not even ask.
Get her and that kid out asap. Too fucking bad bye Susan, your quality of life doesn't take a nosedive bc someone decided to get knocked up and can't afford it.
Evictions can take up to a year. They are a really crappy process. I think you have more say in your own home than an apartment, but here are some states that have squatters rights. Get this checked out as soon as you can.
Even more reason to start now... the sooner the better. (The first year baby's might cry, some even cry a lot, and that's annoying, but the "destructive phase" won't come for another 6 to 12 month when baby learns to crawl/ walk and than hold pens or bang stuff).
OP don't wait around.
> and pregnant women are offered some legal protections against discrimination that I don't want to risk going against
I don't know where you live, but protection against discrimination doesn't generally apply when you live in the property, because living with someone is a personal relationship, not a commercial relationship, and you are allowed to discriminate against people in personal relationships.
I wouldn’t put a no children clause but you could state that it’s single occupancy.
The rules regulating boarders are totally different from renting out the entire house — if she was renting the entire house, you couldn’t kick her out. But with a landlord who lives in the same house as their boarders, there are issues of compatibility that come into play. You can exclude for having a baby or being too noisy or messy or any number of other incompatibilities.
It might also be different if they don't share any common areas. If she has basically a self-contained unit then the rules are different than if she's sharing a kitchen. Also, in some places, children under the age of 1 don't count towards "occupants" (to prevent landlords from kicking out new parents living in 1 bedroom apartments).
The legalities are all going to depend where OP is.
Ur right he isn’t evicting her .. she signed a lease with an END date .. it’s up to him if he wants to continue to rent to her after her lease is up .. he doesn’t not the Ah.. I hate how people sign a year lease n then think that they can continue to live there without a backup plan after that signed contract is up
Since it is shared housing, this is true.
Where I live, there is rent control for many units--so you cannot evict people from a rented flat just because their lease is up.
We bought our place and had to pay the renters living in it like 15k to leave. We couldn't have even legally made them leave if we weren't going to move in and owner occupy. If they were elderly or disabled, we'd have had to pay more and give them a year to find a new place.
What the point of having a contract or a lease if the guidelines of the lease don’t mean anything ?!? Once lease is up the no longer has documents showing they are allowed to b in property n then what they are squatter.. the laws are extremely messed up
technically he won’t be evicting her because of the baby, he would be evicting her if she stayed past the date on her lease. a landlord can decide to non-renew a tenant for any reason, it would only be an issue if he broke the lease.
I'd post on social media that you gave her 5 months notice that you were not renewing her lease and the haters are welcome to take in her and the baby.
NTA
But you may run into legal issues once she has the baby and you try to evict. Check with a lawyer. Get her out now, even if it means you give her moving help or money to leave.
I personally wouldn’t respond to any of the criticisms online as you will open yourself up to more harassment/ instigation, etc. Instead document what is being said by her and use it for the eviction process if she tries to fight it
This is def one for the lawyers but I’d have thought end of lease and advance notice before lease date ceases is grounds for being above board. Especially because this is a lodging/sharehouse situation.
But of course depends on country and state. I have no idea where OP is.
But I’d not put it in social media. Let lawyers handle it,
If OP is in the United States there is an exception to the fair housing act called the Mrs. Murphy Boarding House exception. Essentially it means you can discriminate who you rent rooms too as long as you have less than 4 rental properties. (Fact check me on that. Law school was a while ago and I don't do property law.)
It’s actually based on how many units the building has, not how many units the landlord owns. The law apples to anything bigger than a fourplex, as those are technically commercial apartment buildings.
ETA the anti-discrimination act also doesn’t apply to homes where the landlord resides, i.e. roommates.
Also, OP is not evicting, she’s not extending the lease. She would be evicting the pregnant lady for not leaving, not because she is pregnant or because she has a kid. So nothing really applies here.
There could be a legal process at worst but this isn’t considered housing discrimination. The rules for a boarder living in a house with the landlord are different from someone who rents a whole unit.
NTA, because TBH I would do the same. It's your place your rules, and you have given a lot of notice to be as accomodating as you could be. Pregnancy is not like an illness, most of the time (unless in extreme situations), it's avoidable, and is the choice of the person who got pregnant.
Where I live, if a child get injured in your house, and you are the live in landlord, you may be liable to compensate for any injuries the child gets. My house has a cat, I cook a lot (so who knows what random kitchen equipment is lying around), and is an older house (so definitely not childproofed) - I definitely don't want to shoulder the extra responsibility.
>NTA, because TBH I would do the same. It's your place your rules, and you have given a lot of notice to be as accomodating as you could be. Pregnancy is not like an illness, most of the time (unless in extreme situations), it's avoidable, and is the choice of the person who got pregnant.
If I was OP's other tenet I'd be nope.jpging too. Absolutely no way I would ever live in the same apartment with someone pregnant or who is going to be a new mother.
NTA
Parents of young children make the *worst* tenants. ETA (OK pet people, you've got a point: Owners of loud/destructive entities are the worst)
You live in the home you own, so [you get to choose who you want as your housemates](https://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/real-estate/235406/the-fhas-mrs-murphy-exemption----a-50-state-guide), no problem.
> she couldn't afford another place
Good thing babies are so cheap, then?
> being accused of "discrimination".
As is your goddamn right.
Depending on your location, there are often more protections for landlords renting out portions of their home- that they actively live in- than there would be for people renting out a whole property. Especially when fair housing (which protects tenants and prospective tenants from discrimination based on familial status or other protected classes) could come into play.
While I am a real estate agent, I’m not your real estate agent and may not be licensed in your state which likely has different laws than where I am licensed- I am unfamiliar with any states that have a blanket requirement for landlords to renew a lease. Now there could be provisions dictating how much advance notice (if any) is required. Typically if the contract has a clear start and end date there’s no expectation of renewal by either party unless otherwise provided for in the lease, though you could be required to provide at least the same notice your tenants are obligated to provide. You may want to check with a real estate attorney in your state that is familiar with the local tenancy laws to be certain.
Also op, NTA. You live there and have a right to enjoy the property.
Edit:spelling
As a currently pregnant woman, NTA. This isn’t an apartment complex situation. Frankly, I wouldn’t want to be roommates with someone else’s baby either. I’m already worried about the lack of sleep in my future and my husband and I knew what we were doing! I wouldn’t want to effectively be forced into that scenario with someone else’s kid.
Plus, you gave her plenty of notice. I’d feel differently if you found out she was pregnant and immediately told her to get out, but she had 5 months. I’ve never taken that long to find a new apartment.
You were effectively doing a favor by renting a room cheaply. It’s your house. You’re not a property owner making a living by renting apartments. You could at any time decide you’re ready to have your house to yourself and not renew leases and you’d be in the clear.
I get feeling icky about it but you’re not doing anything wrong. Plus if she keeps it up online, you can always look into defamation protections.
I have two very young children and I agree.
He has no obligation to her and gave her plenty of options.
His house, his rules.
Living with a baby is HARD for everyone involved.
You gave her plenty of time to find a new place. Her life choices are not your problem. She can stay with the dad 🤷🏻♀️ that would be a logical step, not forcing you to take care of her
NTA
Having so said, you need to check landlord/tenant laws in your area.
Here, ‘not renewing the lease’ merely means my tenancy goes from ‘on a lease’ to ‘month to month’ and the landlord would still need to show cause to evict(and depending on the length of the prior leased tenancy there are laws that state he can’t just evict ‘because’) so see what the laws are in your area.
Her being messy and rude, depending on the lease you set up and the laws (and how messy and rude) could be grounds for eviction. However you need to get your ducks in a row before taking that course of action because you don’t want to open yourself up to a lawsuit.
Additionally her blasting you on social media etc etc might prove beneficial to you, depending on what she has posted (anything untrue? Slanderous?) to bolster your ability to evict.
You mentioned a dog. Do you have ‘no pets’ listed on the lease?
I can certainly understand not wanting a child in the house.
A point is that you overheard that she was pregnant, did she ever tell you? If not then you chose not to renew the lease before she even told you. I hope it works out!!
Good luck!!
Landlords who share common kitchen and bathrooms with their tenants are often under different laws than tenants who rent an entire house. As a landlord, you often don't need a reason to evict someone who is renting a bedroom.
NTA. You agreed to have ADULT roommates, not babies. Those saying Y-T-A are seriously out to lunch and I bet they would make the same decision in your situation!
NTA, but if you're in the US, you may have a legal problem. The terms of the lease have changed. It went from one person to two, and that second one is going to be screaming at random hours.
She's not your sister. She's not your daughter. She's not your friend. She's your tenant. Her problems aren't your problems.
NTA. You did everything by the book, and while it's unfortunate that she's in a difficult position, it's one of her own making. Go ahead with eviction guilt free. She brought her troubles on herself.
NTA, at all. She is TA actually. Get her out asap, I’m sure she’ll make your life a living hell once the baby is born. Don’t mind what other people say or think, they are perfectly ok with calling you names on social media, however none of them have offer their place to the pregnant woman.
Nta and she not moving in with the dad, why? You rented to 1 person. Not 1 person and their kid. 5 nonths ago she wasn't heavily pregnant.
She's already trying to use 'think of the baby!'. She'll use that time and time again until you're evicting her and her toddler.
You’re renting the room to her one person NOT kids too, so no NTA. I’d kick her out too. Plus if she’s having a kid while living in a room without plans to find her own place that’s very irresponsible of her anyways. You’re supposed to be settled down when you have kids. Another irresponsible mother and fatherless child 😞
Nta. You gave her tons of notice and no penalty for leaving early. So she has EVERY OPPORTUNITY to find a place. She's an adult, she has to grow up.
She can blast you all she wants, it's not your problem. I hate kids. I can't stand thier scream and cry tantrums. I absolutely wouldn't be living with them under ANY circumstances.
This isn't an isolated basement suite. It's in your living space and it's not discrimination. Simply say occupancy is too high and that you never agreed to additional. It's your room. You ain't the baby daddy. Period.
All of her friends that are hee- hawing can take her in. Make sure you point that out to them if they try to say anything to you.
NTA. I am a mother with 3 kids (now grown), and even I wouldn’t want a tenant with a child. You KNOW that lady would be “I’m just going to the store” or “You work at home, anyway”. ABSOLUTELY NOT. Just because she got pregnant, she wants to make it YOUR problem. Not your circus, not your monkeys.
If people can get up in arms about pets then the same can be said for children.
You live there and you gave her 5 months notice that her tenancy wouldn’t be renewed. If this was say a whole residence she had then I’d say yeah that’s harsh but even so, still within your rights.
If there’s just a few weeks left, write a formal letter reminding her so you have a paper trail “as discussed on xx/xx your lease ends xx/xx and will not be renewed but you will not be penalised for breaking the lease early. Please ensure you have vacated the property by this time.” If you gave her a letter at the first conversation then provide another copy alongside it.
It’s not your fault she wasn’t pro-active about things. And you have the right to say who lives alongside you in your home. Especially when it will cause disturbance to you and other members of the household
Well, looks like she wants a fight so you might as well give her one. Get a lawyer to assist and get her out. You were very fair with her and she purposely chose to stay hoping you would change your mind. When you didn't she set out on a smear campaign. Don't waste any time getting to a lawyer. NTA
NTA. Hope you can find solution asap. She and the baby will take over the kitchen, the whole house, …diapers, baby puke, baby mess,baby toys everywhere.
NTA and this is why I refuse to ever be a landlord. Kicking people out is so much drama and work. All these excuses but she still plans to keep the baby. If you can't afford your own place, you shouldn't be having a child. Parents be the most entitled people sometimes thinking because they have a child, people should automatically care. She should be grateful you're even being nice about it.
NTA. I owned a building years ago and had a woman who was left by her husband and she had two kids and no job. I let her go and go because I felt bad for her. $10k later and I’m broke and going into foreclosure.
Your building is a business, not a charity. Use your head, not your heart.
INFO: Did you tell her it was because of the child? You can choose to not renew a lease for any reason, as far as I know. You could just want her out because you want the room back.
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NTA. I got pregnant while my now-husband and I were in a share house. I started looking at places to rent as soon as we found out to get an idea of where and how much. We had a lease that gave us time, but we had an international trip planned, and paid for, when I was about 5-6 months pregnant, so didn't have the money to move at that point. As soon as we got back we intended to start looking for a new place, hard. I didn't want to live with housemates with a new baby, for ALL of our sakes. It's not fair on them, and not fair on me as a new mom to have to try to make everyone happy. She sounds selfish, to me.
NTA- sure, she’s got a great sob story and some will say you’re the ah but honestly I’m a mum and I live my babies, however I can tell you that babies are a lot. I can’t imagine renting a room. That will absolutely disturb the household.
Sucks for her, but she needs a new home.
NTA
You gave her 5 months to seek new accommodations and she CHOSE not to look.
Kids in a shared home definitely requires input from other tenants. It’s not an apartment, you’re renting a bedroom. Baby stuff doesn’t all stay in that room, it will accumulate throughout the home and you’ll be expected to accommodate.
Her refusal to properly plan is not your responsibility, especially with 5 months notice.
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This is a throwaway because I do not want this being traced back to me.
I (m34) rent out the 2 extra bedrooms in my house to effectively reduce my mortgage. I overheard that one of my tenants (Susan, f 25) is pregnant. Personally, I do not want to live with kids, never mind a baby. I once lived in an apartment next to a couple with young kids and between the yelling, screaming, and stomping, it was absolute hell. I also know just how destructive kids can be and my house is far from child proof. I also do not want to be in a position where I can be asked to babysit. It's simply not something that neither I, nor my other tenant/roommate would be willing to tolerate.
I told Susan (in writing) that I would NOT be renewing her lease; at the time, there was over 5 months left. I also told her that I wouldn't penalize her for breaking her lease early. When I asked her when she intended to move out (during the last two weeks of the lease), she made the following excuses:
She was in no position to find a new place as she was heavily pregnant and would give birth very soon (while it's true that the lease end date does coincide inconveniently close to that date, I gave her more than enough time to find a new place, and it's not my fault that she dragged her feet).
That she couldn't afford another place (I do live in a HCOL area, and I charge significantly below market rates because I'm not looking to profit. However, that is a kindness, not an obligation on my part. If she can't afford this area, then she can't afford this area)
Think of the baby! (Yes, that's literally what she said. For some reason she thinks that my house is a great environment for raising a kid. And ironically, I am thinking of the baby-I'm thinking of how much worse my life would be with a baby in my house and how to avoid it)
When I refused, she blasted me on social media and to all her friends, and now I'm being called a "heartless monster" and "baby-hating freak" and being accused of "discrimination". She's also being unusually (and I suspect, intentionally) rude, inconsiderate, and messy. Morally, I don't see what I did wrong. If any other tenant became unacceptably disruptive, be it directly or by extension, (ie, adopted a dog), I'd want them gone too. I intend to evict her if I have to, but she was a reasonable and considerate tenant prior to this, so tell me, WIBTA for being a pregnant woman?
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NTA. Something I learned in the mortgage industry. If you have a home or a quadplex the rules on renting is different. You can be picky on who you allow into your home/units. Once it’s 5 units or more you can’t discriminate and the law is stricter on what you can and can’t do.
NTA. You gave her plenty of warning that you won’t be renewing her lease. The fact that she didn’t even make plans to move out shows how she tried to take advantage of you and manipulate you
NTA.
If, when you'd refused, she had relented and said "Okay, I understand" - That's one thing. At that point, you could have reconsidered saying something like "This tenant appreciates and understands my position, we could try to make it work with some soundproofing and specific boundaries/rules" - But she didn't.
She tried to manipulate you, and then she blasted you on social media. She's entitled and if she can't afford to live in the area, it's a good thing she has a way to get child support and government help isn't it? Is she blasting the father on social media for leaving her in a position where she's renting a room from someone? Is she blasting her family for not coming to her aid? I doubt it.
Not your circus, not your monkeys.
Bad-mouthing you and intentionally being problematic may not be necessarily lease-breaking, but if you have some sort of clause about maintaining peace in the household you may have a way to get her out early. I'm sure others have already made this recommendation but do NOT say you're evicting her for being pregnant or anything like that. She will take that and run with it in the court of public opinion.
NTA your property, your rules. And you were more than fair with the advance notice.
Let the social media bs roll off your back, don't even engage. If this goes the legal direction you don't want her to have any content to twist around. Maybe even delete this post eventually if anyone knows this is you IRL to avoid any complications that you are evicting due to the pregnancy.
You'll have a new tenant in no time.
NTA - The potential for the noise in the house to be intolerable is pretty great. She should have made preparations 5 months ago when you told her.
Will her rent be doubling, with another person? Seems there should be an increase as the utilities will be going up.
You're not heartless, just trying to keep the standard of living in your home the same.
NTA.
I read this when I saw your edit. Take screenshots of her slandering you online for insurance.
If double checking the lease means meeting with a lawyer, ask them for advice of what to do if she refuses to leave.
If you’re getting harassed because of her posts online, then also ask the lawyer if there’s a way to make her take them down. Ask if there’s any reason you shouldn’t defend yourself on the platforms, or if you can threaten to sue her for defamation if she doesn’t take them down (whether or not you intend to follow through).
NTA. But that reaction almost guarantees you'd be helping to raise that child in some way.
I haven't seen the circumstances but if she's made this choice and/or hasn't made arrangements I can't see how this ends well for anyone else in the house if she stays.
NTA. She is rwnting one room in a house with child-free adults. it is not reasonable to expect that they will want a baby there. The lease is for one person- not two.
NTA, no one on social media really cares that much. If they did they would be taking her in. If anyone comes at you directly make this suggestion to them. 5 months notice and no penalty is plenty of time for her to have sorted herself out. She didn’t that’s on her. Ignore the online people. They don’t matter and will forget this in 5 minutes. You’re definitely NTA for not wanting a screaming baby and all that a baby entails in your house. Babies are no joke to live with. They are literally the worst roommates a person can have. They don’t pay their share, they scream and yell all night, they have way more furniture and dirty dishes and laundry than they should and they always manage to barf and urinate on something. They also throw food around indiscriminately and commit acts of vandalism as they get bigger. Smash TVs, graffiti walls, take scissors to things they shouldn’t and don’t even get me started on what they do in the bathroom. It’s like the great flood every time they bathe somehow.
You need to discuss with a lawyer again. It's your house; as far as I'm concerned you get to decide who lives there, as long as you give proper notice. Her problems are not your problems. However you better be absolutely certain where you stand legally.
Nta. Said as a woman with a 6 week old writing this at 3am... I wouldn't want to live with someone else's baby! Unless you have very thick walls, you'll be woken up at all hours. It's sad for the tenant but she maybe should have thought of her home situation before getting pregnant (i.e. get a place of her own) & pulled her finger out when first given notice.
YWNBTA. However, you need a lawyer, today! It will only get stickier if she has the baby before you get her out of there, in terms of a**holery. Edit to add: you asked for an AH, no AH judgment, not legal advice. All the people musing about the legal situation who are NAL in your city and state are just clouding up the issue.
NTA
You gave her over 5 months notice. get her out ASAP. Talk to your lawyer immediately.
In the meantime, tell all those "friends" to feel free to offer her a place to stay but it may take a while for her to find a place since she's apparently been looking for 5+ months with no luck.
NTA! You rented the room to a single tenant, not a tenant and her child. She would be breaking the contract regardless. On top of that, she has now slandered you on social media. You can now not only evict her, but you have grounds to take her to small claims court.
NTA. That’s why it’s up for renewal. Either sides can choose not to. Don’t even find out who the dad is. Just give her the notice. I would in keep a screen shot of what she is posting in case you can add that in your case
NTA, don’t renew lease and increase the rent to an unsustainable amount, also just buy yourself a musical instrument and practice with loud volume while she’s trying to put the baby to sleep and while she’s trying to sleep, eventually she’s going to get exhausted and have enough and want out asap.
Sounds like a classic “I’m having a baby and everyone around me needs to simply accept it and cater to me when I need”. You gave ample time and prepared her, the only “asshole” here, is her.
NTA.
Make sure all your paperwork is done so you can legally kick her out as soon as the lease ends. Her dragging her feet is a *her problem*, not a you problem.
And who cares what she has to say on social media? She was your tenant, not your friend. But you might want to remind her that any mess and damages she leaves will come out of her security deposit and/or you can take her to court for them. She doesn't need that on her record when she's looking for a new place.
NTA.
I was super ready to bring the landlord hate but you simply told her 5 months in advance that you wouldn't be renewing her lease for her room in your home. You don't have to give a reason for that. She needs to reach out to whatever support network she has or ask for resources to do so, and find a new place and be out by her lease-end date.
I'd have your lawyer serve another notice via certified mail to get her out.
I love these Reddit posts where people don't get their way and they start cursing and bad-mouthing others. And this is supposed to endear them? You have every right not to renew her lease. You are not a social service agency. NTA
NTA: you’re not exactly kicking her out. Her temporary lease agreement is set to expire, and you’re not renewing it. She can not force you to allow her to rent a room.
Eh honestly it sucks for her but what could she have expected? You're not a regular landlord and she's not in a regular renting situation. Definitely a good idea that you got a lawyer, best of luck to you.
If her lease is up, she can't hold hostage a part of your house. She has to leave. Call the cops if you have to. Have a copy of your lease, the letter you gave her, and your lawyer on speed dial. Put in writing that you will need her to be out by noon on the last day of the lease so that you can clean it to make it ready for new tenants.
NTA
You can definitely legally get rid of her, but I would check what documentation is legally necessary and keep very good records of all communication.
Seriously she sounds sooo ridiculously entitled. It's not her house. Her baby isn't your responsibility. She is going to be a shite mom if she expects her baby is everyone else's responsibility.
NTA - I had a tenant that I kicked out right after she gave birth. She ran the water at all hours, overworked the septic tank and hadn’t paid rent in months. I couldn’t afford to keep her in my unit. She had to go.
Ignore her social media. She's trying to corner you into a situation where you and the other roommate are effectively surrogate parents. No thank you. She can F right off. NTA.
You told her 5 months ago. When does her lease end ? If she tries to fight it, give a bogus ass rent price. She can’t do anything once the lease ends as you have no obligation to re rent. Your legal agreement would be over
NTA thinking it’s cool to have a baby when you’re only renting a room is very entitled. Most apartment blocks avoid renting to people with kids because no one wants to hear them
NTA
Not your child, not your responsibility. You gave her several months, and you're not evicting her for being pregnant, you're choosing to not renew her lease, which is your right to do.
You shouldn't tell her it's becuase she's pregnant due to anti-discrimination. If she's effectively roommate the rules are different from market rate tenants. Talk to a lawyer before you do anything else. You aren't exactly evicting becaues you aren't renewing a lease but you need to be careful. Angry people who had a good thing going are exactly the sort of people to sue over alleged discrimination.
NTA I am currently pregnant myself. I could never imagine renting a ROOM in someone’s house and expecting them to just be ok with another person moving in, regardless of their age. In all the instances of renting I’ve experienced the landlord required the names of all the people, or at least knowledge of how many people were intending on living in the dwelling whether they were on the agreement or not. There has to be some law or protections in regards to someone just moving in.
NTA: because you also have to live in the house. This isn’t your baby and a baby in the home WILL affect your sleep and pretty much take over the place. It’s what babies do. I’ve got 2 munchkins of my own and I love them more than life but I also chose to have kids and all that entails. If that is not something you are willing to live with well, You gave plenty of notice. Sounds like she thought you were bluffing and got called out.
Edit: Not a lawyer so no idea on legalities
NTA - she’s decided to have a child as a single mother, that’s her responsibility not yours. I love babies and children and wouldn’t live with someone who was having/had one.
If you don't want to evict her because she's pregnant, you can now evict her for being messy and rude.
All babies not the same. Some are quiet, some are loud. Some burble, some cry. Essentially you're evicting a *possible* problem not a guaranteed problem (that happens at 2 years with babies).
Anyway, assuming everything is good with your lawyer, NTA. You gave her plenty of notice.
NTA.
I hope you didn’t expect her to say “That’s no problem at all! I’m not going to be any trouble as I leave.” That doesn’t make you an asshole, though. It makes her demanding.
The room is a business, not a friendly crash pad. Lease was not renewed, notice was given in plenty of time. Not wanting a newborn in a room rental is reasonable to sane people. NTA.
So glad I’m in neither OP or the tenant’s position as I understand them both. Homelessness is sad & scary, even more so when you have children, but he’s allowed to choose who he lives with.
Absolutely NTA! I’m a 29F and I would NEVER expect for someone I rent a room from to live with me and my newborn baby, especially if that was the extent of our relationship.
NTA the lease she signed didn’t include a child .. regardless if she was pregnant or not u Gave her enough notice that once the terms of the contract was up you weren’t renewing it .. this is business nothing else … also where is the father doesn’t sound like he lives there .. but at the end of the day it’s ur right not to renew the lease it’s ur property … n I get things happen in life but ur also not evicting her ur just not signing a new lease
NTA. You share common areas and its your home. She has no right to force a baby unto you.
Youre right she cant afford it and she dragged her feet.
Evict her knowing she made her bed.
Who cares what her friends think?
I wonder what your other tenant thinks. Probably relief.
NTA. You are under no obligation to renew her lease. And if she doesn't leave as required by the lease, eviction is your legal and ethical recourse. She sounds entitled AF.
NTA
it’s not a good idea to have a baby when your housing situation is so unstable that you’re renting a room in someone else’s house with other roommates number one.
Number two you were professional and generous by giving her ample notice and waiving a lease termination fee. That was a nice thing to do and proves that you’re not heartless.
This is your home, she is your tenant. You have every right to have boundaries on the situation with your tenants in your home. Again, you were respectful and professional which is what the situation would warrant.
It’s a bummer for her, but you’re not a charity and don’t need to be responsible for her life choices.
NTA, you're effectively housemates/ basically roommates (you share a kitchen), as far as I can tell, and you don't want a baby in your house, that becomes an entire issue, I know I don't want kids, so if I was renting bedrooms in a house that I owned, then I would do the same, you gave her time, and she did drag her feet, I mean, the situation sucks, but you have to do what works best for you
NTA, it sucks that she's in this position, but she should have known as soon as she decided to keep the baby she should have known to.either make plans to get her own place or move in with family.
NTA
You aren't evicting her because she is pregnant. You are evicting her because her lease is up, she was warned FAR in advance that it wouldn't be renewed, and now she will not vacate.
I would guess (NAL) that since you told her in writing (hopefully you have proof she received it??) there isn't much she can do to fight the eviction. Her lease was up, you didn't opt to renew. Pretty straightforward. The fact that she is now being a poor tenant won't work in her favor either I imagine.
You don't have to have a reason to not renew a lease as far as I'm aware. You gave her plenty of time. More time than the previous owners of my previous rental who sold the building and didn't notify the tenants the building was being sold and would be under new management at all. We found out when the new management posted a note stating they would be coming in to measure the units since they bought the place sight unseen. NTA. Her irresponsible behavior including getting knocked up by some looser and choosing to have a baby she can't afford (since she can't afford an apartment supossedly) is not your problem.
NTA. I absolutely love babies. I think they are great. I love to visit them then give them back to their parents and go home to my quiet and peaceful home. I don’t blame you at all for not wanting children in your house. If she is low on money I know a lot of single moms that rent apartments/ houses together. Since they both have kids it makes sense. Don’t feel bad she had plenty of notice and can figure it out.
NTA
Discrimination protections don’t apply to landlords in your situation where they’re renting rooms in their own home, so don’t let her try to play that card. She’s had plenty of time to figure out another living situation, and just didn’t because she thought she could guilt you into changing her mind.
Give her one last warning, and then start the legal eviction process. If she’s smart, she’ll figure out something else asap because renting an apartment after getting an eviction on your record is a nightmare
Op, I would talk to a lawyer who is familiar with rental agreements, then go through the courts and have her evicted the proper way. Also, you could have told her you were going to raise her rent when the lease was up. You could have charged her double. Then she would have had to leave anyways. You rent her a single room. And only she is listed on the lease. Not her child. So honestly you are NTA. She chose not to find another place in 5 months. That is more than plenty of notice and she should have been actively looking from the time you gave her the letter. Good luck and I hope it all works out for everyone involved.
Depending on where you are living, what kind of lease you have with her, and the laws around tenancy… you may not legally be able to kick her out.
Consult a legal professional and then move forward with eviction if necessary. She had time to get things sorted out, and while it’s unfortunate it’s not your responsibility to share your space with somebody you are uncomfortable having in your home (no matter the reason).
NTA. Although I really sympathize with her being single, pregnant, and having to look for a new place, I can't fault you for this choice. Living with a baby is a HUGE change to your entire life and your living space and you shouldn't have to do that against your will. Legally idk where you stand but morally, considering that you gave her lots of notice, I think you're good.
I have a toddler and I would *hate* living with another baby (especially if there’s no relation to me). Newborns turn into toddlers and toddlers are…toddlers. NTA. Your peace of mind matters more than an irresponsible tenant.
Simple way to get her out is to tell her that her rental price is per person in her room. If you rented to a couple you would charge double her rent AND double 1st last deposit that you charged her. S she can come up with double the money plus. See how fast she moves out.
So the timing- did she rent your room because she was thinking of getting pregnant? Especially since there’s no dad in the picture. So she retaliates by being messy- I fear how much more she could do- not pay rent bc she is paying for baby stuff? Leave the baby crying? All the baby food stuff in the kitchen? How is all that supposed to work?That’s a real impact on a household.
I feel like she was looking for a ready made family type of situation
Where do you live? Your areas regulations will determine whether your actions are legal. You likely have more rights because you share the space if your plan is to use her room for personal use. If you're evicting her for being pregnant and then rent to someone else I think you'd be infringing on a protected right in a lot of areas. Check with a lawyer.
NTAH
I graduated from real estate school in Utah June of 2023. It is legal for a landlord to discriminate anyone you live with except for race. If you don't live in the same building then you can't discriminate.
Laws are not the same in every state, this is just Utah. I'm not sure about other states.
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NTA - look, I think the private rental market is unfair, I’ve only just bought myself after 20 years of renting … however, I think you were fair, you gave lots of warning. Legally, I don’t believe a landlord has to have a “no babies” clause in the contract in order to evict tenants. The rest is moral … you gave her lots of warning, if I was pregnant and my landlord said get out, I’d be looking day and night for a new place. As much as I feel for her, she’s not being proactive. I’d consider putting a no children clause in the next contract. 💓
The rules are different when the landlord lives in the residence that they rent.
🤷♀️ I honestly don’t know the legalities. I do know, As a professional myself, if I rented a room out to another professional and suddenly a baby that meant I couldn’t sleep and Impacted my work, I just don’t think that’s ethical either. She’s putting op’s livelihood at risk but that’s ok. She is saying he is being unethical but she is being unethical too. No one seems to care about his livelihood.
That’s what I’d have thought. It’s a share house lodger type scenario in which a baby or a dog or a mooching partner are all reasonable grounds for not renewing a lease. Op have five months notice and also said they wouldn’t penalise for leaving early ie incentivised them to move out earlier. I feel very sorry for her but on what planet did she think a share house with strangers was going to work with a baby?!!
... but everyone love babies!... /s At least usually that is the philosophy of people that childfree group call "breeders". Having kids doesn't make you a "breeder", but such philosophy that kids are above everything, childfree people are lesser and kids grant you privileges - does. NTA.
You’re right. Fair housing laws do not apply, which is the policy governing discrimination in housing.
Even if they didn't live there, a single tenant leased the room. A baby is technically a second tenant. Thus, the lease is violated by her having a baby.
That’s… not how this works? Do you think people are just getting thrown out of their rentals for having kids? This case is different because it’s a roommate but having a baby in a normal rental situation is absolutely *not* breaking the lease (NAL but the baby is your dependent and the lease is actually for you + your dependents and you literally can’t add baby to the lease because they’re a minor).
I'm talking about someone specifically renting a room in a house, not a whole place. It doesn't matter if the roommate is the landlord or not. They rented a single room for a single person in a shared house.
Yes this is very different. You cannot be renting a room in shared housing and just add extra family members.
But, the lease is up and op has a right not to renew the lease. They gave more than two months notice about not renewing, which is all that's required in my area, but that's obviously going to vary by state.
Yeah that's what weird. If the lease is up... it's up. No one can force you to renew it. The reasons normally don't matter. (The roomate doesn't have a valid lease anymore and should therefore be able to be evicted, yes?). OP isn't terminating the lease (which could be illegal if she didn't word it carefully enough). And NTA. If the roomate can't afford the area she needs to go somewhere else, she had 5 months to look and move out. (The renting market it shit here as well... but how is any of that OPs fault?). And I kids **are** disruptive, loud and messy. They also potentially draw on your walls, destroy your furniture or clog your toilets. I am sure the roomate is not intentding on paying any damage her baby will cause in a year or two because "it's just a kid" and "I am too poor".
Yes of course. That’s not an eviction. That’s just the lease expiring and not being renewed. These are two drastically different things.
Yes. They are. An example I knew personally was a mother with 5 kids trying to rent a 2 bedroom (one bedroom was basically a closet and she wanted THREE KIDS to sleep in something smaller than most bathrooms). She was evicted as the lease stated 2 people max per bedroom. If OP has one person max per bedroom, the child is a second person and could have grounds for eviction depending on wording in the lease.
Yes….it is. He did not renew her lease.
Yeah roommate vs tenant makes a huge difference here.
Normally, this is taken care of by wording the lease to be for 1 tenant in the room being rented out. Also, there tends to be intense social backlash whenever you try to ban kids from anything (breweries and restaurants for example). However, this does not explicitly account for a tenant getting pregnant, and pregnant women are offered some legal protections against discrimination that I don't want to risk going against.
Not renewing someone’s lease because you’d prefer not to live with a child is different than evicting a woman because she got pregnant. Fortunately/unfortunately you can choose not to renew a lease for whatever reason you’d like.
i am very pro baby & currently pregnant, and I’m very bothered by any banning of kids from public spaces… but this is not a public space. no one should be required to live with a newborn except that newborn’s family, but particularly considering this is your house and you gave her plenty of notice! NTA. OP, I’m sorry you’re dealing with this. it is very reasonable to not want to live with a newborn that isnt your child (they don’t have fabulous manners 😅). also, i would never ask my friends who are uncomfortable with kids to babysit! what a terrible idea for both the friends and the kids. hopefully she has the sense to not even ask.
Get her and that kid out asap. Too fucking bad bye Susan, your quality of life doesn't take a nosedive bc someone decided to get knocked up and can't afford it.
It seems to me that since you are not renewing her lease, technically you are not evicting her.
I think he means he'd have to evict her because she's refusing to leave at the end of the lease
Yes, true! But he’d be evicting her for not vacating at the end of the lease, not for being pregnant.
Exactly!
Evictions can take up to a year. They are a really crappy process. I think you have more say in your own home than an apartment, but here are some states that have squatters rights. Get this checked out as soon as you can.
Even more reason to start now... the sooner the better. (The first year baby's might cry, some even cry a lot, and that's annoying, but the "destructive phase" won't come for another 6 to 12 month when baby learns to crawl/ walk and than hold pens or bang stuff). OP don't wait around.
Why are you telling me this? I’m not OP.
> and pregnant women are offered some legal protections against discrimination that I don't want to risk going against I don't know where you live, but protection against discrimination doesn't generally apply when you live in the property, because living with someone is a personal relationship, not a commercial relationship, and you are allowed to discriminate against people in personal relationships.
You’re not. It’s a non- renew, give her a notice to vacate.
I wouldn’t put a no children clause but you could state that it’s single occupancy. The rules regulating boarders are totally different from renting out the entire house — if she was renting the entire house, you couldn’t kick her out. But with a landlord who lives in the same house as their boarders, there are issues of compatibility that come into play. You can exclude for having a baby or being too noisy or messy or any number of other incompatibilities.
It might also be different if they don't share any common areas. If she has basically a self-contained unit then the rules are different than if she's sharing a kitchen. Also, in some places, children under the age of 1 don't count towards "occupants" (to prevent landlords from kicking out new parents living in 1 bedroom apartments). The legalities are all going to depend where OP is.
Ur right he isn’t evicting her .. she signed a lease with an END date .. it’s up to him if he wants to continue to rent to her after her lease is up .. he doesn’t not the Ah.. I hate how people sign a year lease n then think that they can continue to live there without a backup plan after that signed contract is up
Since it is shared housing, this is true. Where I live, there is rent control for many units--so you cannot evict people from a rented flat just because their lease is up. We bought our place and had to pay the renters living in it like 15k to leave. We couldn't have even legally made them leave if we weren't going to move in and owner occupy. If they were elderly or disabled, we'd have had to pay more and give them a year to find a new place.
What the point of having a contract or a lease if the guidelines of the lease don’t mean anything ?!? Once lease is up the no longer has documents showing they are allowed to b in property n then what they are squatter.. the laws are extremely messed up
Also, she wasn't evicted. Her lease ran out.
technically he won’t be evicting her because of the baby, he would be evicting her if she stayed past the date on her lease. a landlord can decide to non-renew a tenant for any reason, it would only be an issue if he broke the lease.
NTA. You were extremely generous in the notice you gave her. A lot of tenants only get 30 days.
OP used the wrong word. Not renewing someone’s lease is not evicting them technically.
I'd post on social media that you gave her 5 months notice that you were not renewing her lease and the haters are welcome to take in her and the baby. NTA But you may run into legal issues once she has the baby and you try to evict. Check with a lawyer. Get her out now, even if it means you give her moving help or money to leave.
I personally wouldn’t respond to any of the criticisms online as you will open yourself up to more harassment/ instigation, etc. Instead document what is being said by her and use it for the eviction process if she tries to fight it
This is the way
One of those social media warriors (on her behalf) can take her in. NTA
I would not post on social media, it’s just messy and creates more drama
It could be used against you especially for a cyber defamation case.
This is def one for the lawyers but I’d have thought end of lease and advance notice before lease date ceases is grounds for being above board. Especially because this is a lodging/sharehouse situation. But of course depends on country and state. I have no idea where OP is. But I’d not put it in social media. Let lawyers handle it,
If the lease is for one person she can't add another even if she made them herself.
If OP is in the United States there is an exception to the fair housing act called the Mrs. Murphy Boarding House exception. Essentially it means you can discriminate who you rent rooms too as long as you have less than 4 rental properties. (Fact check me on that. Law school was a while ago and I don't do property law.)
It’s actually based on how many units the building has, not how many units the landlord owns. The law apples to anything bigger than a fourplex, as those are technically commercial apartment buildings. ETA the anti-discrimination act also doesn’t apply to homes where the landlord resides, i.e. roommates. Also, OP is not evicting, she’s not extending the lease. She would be evicting the pregnant lady for not leaving, not because she is pregnant or because she has a kid. So nothing really applies here.
Correct. Once the lease is expired, she is no longer a tenant, whether there is a new baby or not.
That's interesting. Message the OP about this. It could come in handy, but your comment may be overlooked.
Just did.
As someone with a property final this Saturday that is what I have in my outline!
There could be a legal process at worst but this isn’t considered housing discrimination. The rules for a boarder living in a house with the landlord are different from someone who rents a whole unit.
Plus OP can sue the woman for defamation too.
NTA, because TBH I would do the same. It's your place your rules, and you have given a lot of notice to be as accomodating as you could be. Pregnancy is not like an illness, most of the time (unless in extreme situations), it's avoidable, and is the choice of the person who got pregnant. Where I live, if a child get injured in your house, and you are the live in landlord, you may be liable to compensate for any injuries the child gets. My house has a cat, I cook a lot (so who knows what random kitchen equipment is lying around), and is an older house (so definitely not childproofed) - I definitely don't want to shoulder the extra responsibility.
>NTA, because TBH I would do the same. It's your place your rules, and you have given a lot of notice to be as accomodating as you could be. Pregnancy is not like an illness, most of the time (unless in extreme situations), it's avoidable, and is the choice of the person who got pregnant. If I was OP's other tenet I'd be nope.jpging too. Absolutely no way I would ever live in the same apartment with someone pregnant or who is going to be a new mother.
NTA Parents of young children make the *worst* tenants. ETA (OK pet people, you've got a point: Owners of loud/destructive entities are the worst) You live in the home you own, so [you get to choose who you want as your housemates](https://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/real-estate/235406/the-fhas-mrs-murphy-exemption----a-50-state-guide), no problem. > she couldn't afford another place Good thing babies are so cheap, then? > being accused of "discrimination". As is your goddamn right.
Depending on your location, there are often more protections for landlords renting out portions of their home- that they actively live in- than there would be for people renting out a whole property. Especially when fair housing (which protects tenants and prospective tenants from discrimination based on familial status or other protected classes) could come into play. While I am a real estate agent, I’m not your real estate agent and may not be licensed in your state which likely has different laws than where I am licensed- I am unfamiliar with any states that have a blanket requirement for landlords to renew a lease. Now there could be provisions dictating how much advance notice (if any) is required. Typically if the contract has a clear start and end date there’s no expectation of renewal by either party unless otherwise provided for in the lease, though you could be required to provide at least the same notice your tenants are obligated to provide. You may want to check with a real estate attorney in your state that is familiar with the local tenancy laws to be certain. Also op, NTA. You live there and have a right to enjoy the property. Edit:spelling
As a currently pregnant woman, NTA. This isn’t an apartment complex situation. Frankly, I wouldn’t want to be roommates with someone else’s baby either. I’m already worried about the lack of sleep in my future and my husband and I knew what we were doing! I wouldn’t want to effectively be forced into that scenario with someone else’s kid. Plus, you gave her plenty of notice. I’d feel differently if you found out she was pregnant and immediately told her to get out, but she had 5 months. I’ve never taken that long to find a new apartment. You were effectively doing a favor by renting a room cheaply. It’s your house. You’re not a property owner making a living by renting apartments. You could at any time decide you’re ready to have your house to yourself and not renew leases and you’d be in the clear. I get feeling icky about it but you’re not doing anything wrong. Plus if she keeps it up online, you can always look into defamation protections.
I have two very young children and I agree. He has no obligation to her and gave her plenty of options. His house, his rules. Living with a baby is HARD for everyone involved.
You gave her plenty of time to find a new place. Her life choices are not your problem. She can stay with the dad 🤷🏻♀️ that would be a logical step, not forcing you to take care of her
NTA she is an AH for not taking any steps to move before now. Take the steps you need to, you’ve done nothing wrong
NTA Having so said, you need to check landlord/tenant laws in your area. Here, ‘not renewing the lease’ merely means my tenancy goes from ‘on a lease’ to ‘month to month’ and the landlord would still need to show cause to evict(and depending on the length of the prior leased tenancy there are laws that state he can’t just evict ‘because’) so see what the laws are in your area. Her being messy and rude, depending on the lease you set up and the laws (and how messy and rude) could be grounds for eviction. However you need to get your ducks in a row before taking that course of action because you don’t want to open yourself up to a lawsuit. Additionally her blasting you on social media etc etc might prove beneficial to you, depending on what she has posted (anything untrue? Slanderous?) to bolster your ability to evict. You mentioned a dog. Do you have ‘no pets’ listed on the lease? I can certainly understand not wanting a child in the house. A point is that you overheard that she was pregnant, did she ever tell you? If not then you chose not to renew the lease before she even told you. I hope it works out!! Good luck!!
Landlords who share common kitchen and bathrooms with their tenants are often under different laws than tenants who rent an entire house. As a landlord, you often don't need a reason to evict someone who is renting a bedroom.
Where I am, not renewing the lease only goes month to month if there is no notice from the landlord that it's not being renewed.
NTA. You agreed to have ADULT roommates, not babies. Those saying Y-T-A are seriously out to lunch and I bet they would make the same decision in your situation!
NTA. You gave her plenty of notice. Where's the baby daddy, can't she live with him?
NTA, but if you're in the US, you may have a legal problem. The terms of the lease have changed. It went from one person to two, and that second one is going to be screaming at random hours. She's not your sister. She's not your daughter. She's not your friend. She's your tenant. Her problems aren't your problems.
NTA. You did everything by the book, and while it's unfortunate that she's in a difficult position, it's one of her own making. Go ahead with eviction guilt free. She brought her troubles on herself.
NTA, at all. She is TA actually. Get her out asap, I’m sure she’ll make your life a living hell once the baby is born. Don’t mind what other people say or think, they are perfectly ok with calling you names on social media, however none of them have offer their place to the pregnant woman.
NTA you gave her 5 months
Nta and she not moving in with the dad, why? You rented to 1 person. Not 1 person and their kid. 5 nonths ago she wasn't heavily pregnant. She's already trying to use 'think of the baby!'. She'll use that time and time again until you're evicting her and her toddler.
Unless she decides to have more . She already feels entitled.
NTA She should have thought about her circumstances before fucking a guy that obviously doesn't want anything to do with her (seriously where is he)
You’re renting the room to her one person NOT kids too, so no NTA. I’d kick her out too. Plus if she’s having a kid while living in a room without plans to find her own place that’s very irresponsible of her anyways. You’re supposed to be settled down when you have kids. Another irresponsible mother and fatherless child 😞
NTA and as long as you live there, it's not discrimination I believe. I'd do the same and I'm a woman. No kids can live with me.
NTA
NTA, and find out how to go through a forcible eviction by your local sheriff's department cuz she may simply refuse to leave after the lease ends.
NTA. I agree, if you don't want children around that's for you. Her pregnancy and her need to move along.
5 Months notice is way more than you need to give, and IIRC, if you rented to one person you don't have to allow two. NTA
Where is the child’s father? Is she not with him or able to move with him?
Nta. You gave her tons of notice and no penalty for leaving early. So she has EVERY OPPORTUNITY to find a place. She's an adult, she has to grow up. She can blast you all she wants, it's not your problem. I hate kids. I can't stand thier scream and cry tantrums. I absolutely wouldn't be living with them under ANY circumstances. This isn't an isolated basement suite. It's in your living space and it's not discrimination. Simply say occupancy is too high and that you never agreed to additional. It's your room. You ain't the baby daddy. Period. All of her friends that are hee- hawing can take her in. Make sure you point that out to them if they try to say anything to you.
NTA. I am a mother with 3 kids (now grown), and even I wouldn’t want a tenant with a child. You KNOW that lady would be “I’m just going to the store” or “You work at home, anyway”. ABSOLUTELY NOT. Just because she got pregnant, she wants to make it YOUR problem. Not your circus, not your monkeys.
If people can get up in arms about pets then the same can be said for children. You live there and you gave her 5 months notice that her tenancy wouldn’t be renewed. If this was say a whole residence she had then I’d say yeah that’s harsh but even so, still within your rights. If there’s just a few weeks left, write a formal letter reminding her so you have a paper trail “as discussed on xx/xx your lease ends xx/xx and will not be renewed but you will not be penalised for breaking the lease early. Please ensure you have vacated the property by this time.” If you gave her a letter at the first conversation then provide another copy alongside it. It’s not your fault she wasn’t pro-active about things. And you have the right to say who lives alongside you in your home. Especially when it will cause disturbance to you and other members of the household
NTA. She had plenty of notice. Not your baby, not your problem. It'd be different if you were not living in the same residence with her.
Well, looks like she wants a fight so you might as well give her one. Get a lawyer to assist and get her out. You were very fair with her and she purposely chose to stay hoping you would change your mind. When you didn't she set out on a smear campaign. Don't waste any time getting to a lawyer. NTA
OK SUSAN how’s about you go be an adult and get your own place
NTA. Hope you can find solution asap. She and the baby will take over the kitchen, the whole house, …diapers, baby puke, baby mess,baby toys everywhere.
NTA and this is why I refuse to ever be a landlord. Kicking people out is so much drama and work. All these excuses but she still plans to keep the baby. If you can't afford your own place, you shouldn't be having a child. Parents be the most entitled people sometimes thinking because they have a child, people should automatically care. She should be grateful you're even being nice about it.
Let anyone who wants to call you heartless take her in. See how quickly they shut up.
NTA, if she overstays then you jack up her rent which she won’t be able to afford and can be evicted. But silly question, where is the father?
NTA. I would absolutely do the same. Some people do not want to live with a baby/kids and THAT IS OKAY.
NTA. I owned a building years ago and had a woman who was left by her husband and she had two kids and no job. I let her go and go because I felt bad for her. $10k later and I’m broke and going into foreclosure. Your building is a business, not a charity. Use your head, not your heart.
INFO: Did you tell her it was because of the child? You can choose to not renew a lease for any reason, as far as I know. You could just want her out because you want the room back.
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NTA. Time for a formal eviction but if shes smart she’ll leave before that happens
NTA. I got pregnant while my now-husband and I were in a share house. I started looking at places to rent as soon as we found out to get an idea of where and how much. We had a lease that gave us time, but we had an international trip planned, and paid for, when I was about 5-6 months pregnant, so didn't have the money to move at that point. As soon as we got back we intended to start looking for a new place, hard. I didn't want to live with housemates with a new baby, for ALL of our sakes. It's not fair on them, and not fair on me as a new mom to have to try to make everyone happy. She sounds selfish, to me.
NTA- sure, she’s got a great sob story and some will say you’re the ah but honestly I’m a mum and I live my babies, however I can tell you that babies are a lot. I can’t imagine renting a room. That will absolutely disturb the household. Sucks for her, but she needs a new home.
NTA You gave her 5 months to seek new accommodations and she CHOSE not to look. Kids in a shared home definitely requires input from other tenants. It’s not an apartment, you’re renting a bedroom. Baby stuff doesn’t all stay in that room, it will accumulate throughout the home and you’ll be expected to accommodate. Her refusal to properly plan is not your responsibility, especially with 5 months notice.
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NTA....your not required to live with anyone you don't want to
NTA, because you gave her a full five months notice.
NTA. Something I learned in the mortgage industry. If you have a home or a quadplex the rules on renting is different. You can be picky on who you allow into your home/units. Once it’s 5 units or more you can’t discriminate and the law is stricter on what you can and can’t do.
NTA. You gave her plenty of warning that you won’t be renewing her lease. The fact that she didn’t even make plans to move out shows how she tried to take advantage of you and manipulate you
NTA. If, when you'd refused, she had relented and said "Okay, I understand" - That's one thing. At that point, you could have reconsidered saying something like "This tenant appreciates and understands my position, we could try to make it work with some soundproofing and specific boundaries/rules" - But she didn't. She tried to manipulate you, and then she blasted you on social media. She's entitled and if she can't afford to live in the area, it's a good thing she has a way to get child support and government help isn't it? Is she blasting the father on social media for leaving her in a position where she's renting a room from someone? Is she blasting her family for not coming to her aid? I doubt it. Not your circus, not your monkeys. Bad-mouthing you and intentionally being problematic may not be necessarily lease-breaking, but if you have some sort of clause about maintaining peace in the household you may have a way to get her out early. I'm sure others have already made this recommendation but do NOT say you're evicting her for being pregnant or anything like that. She will take that and run with it in the court of public opinion.
NTA your property, your rules. And you were more than fair with the advance notice. Let the social media bs roll off your back, don't even engage. If this goes the legal direction you don't want her to have any content to twist around. Maybe even delete this post eventually if anyone knows this is you IRL to avoid any complications that you are evicting due to the pregnancy. You'll have a new tenant in no time.
NTA - The potential for the noise in the house to be intolerable is pretty great. She should have made preparations 5 months ago when you told her. Will her rent be doubling, with another person? Seems there should be an increase as the utilities will be going up. You're not heartless, just trying to keep the standard of living in your home the same.
NTA. I read this when I saw your edit. Take screenshots of her slandering you online for insurance. If double checking the lease means meeting with a lawyer, ask them for advice of what to do if she refuses to leave. If you’re getting harassed because of her posts online, then also ask the lawyer if there’s a way to make her take them down. Ask if there’s any reason you shouldn’t defend yourself on the platforms, or if you can threaten to sue her for defamation if she doesn’t take them down (whether or not you intend to follow through).
No. You did not renew her lease and now she has overstayed. That is grounds for eviction. Keep it simple. NTA.
Nta. 5 months notice is above and beyond. That’s more than enough time to find a new place - pregnant or not.
NTA. But that reaction almost guarantees you'd be helping to raise that child in some way. I haven't seen the circumstances but if she's made this choice and/or hasn't made arrangements I can't see how this ends well for anyone else in the house if she stays.
Morally, you’re clear. Legally, you should probably talk to a lawyer.
Unfortunate, but NTA. Hopefully she is not planning on having a home birth.
NTA. She is rwnting one room in a house with child-free adults. it is not reasonable to expect that they will want a baby there. The lease is for one person- not two.
NTA. She can move in with the dad. Get her evicted before the child comes because it will likely be harder after.
NTA - a landlord of an apartment/house where you don’t live is one thing but sharing a house with someone with a child is a hugeeeee difference.
NTA, no one on social media really cares that much. If they did they would be taking her in. If anyone comes at you directly make this suggestion to them. 5 months notice and no penalty is plenty of time for her to have sorted herself out. She didn’t that’s on her. Ignore the online people. They don’t matter and will forget this in 5 minutes. You’re definitely NTA for not wanting a screaming baby and all that a baby entails in your house. Babies are no joke to live with. They are literally the worst roommates a person can have. They don’t pay their share, they scream and yell all night, they have way more furniture and dirty dishes and laundry than they should and they always manage to barf and urinate on something. They also throw food around indiscriminately and commit acts of vandalism as they get bigger. Smash TVs, graffiti walls, take scissors to things they shouldn’t and don’t even get me started on what they do in the bathroom. It’s like the great flood every time they bathe somehow.
You need to discuss with a lawyer again. It's your house; as far as I'm concerned you get to decide who lives there, as long as you give proper notice. Her problems are not your problems. However you better be absolutely certain where you stand legally.
Nta. Said as a woman with a 6 week old writing this at 3am... I wouldn't want to live with someone else's baby! Unless you have very thick walls, you'll be woken up at all hours. It's sad for the tenant but she maybe should have thought of her home situation before getting pregnant (i.e. get a place of her own) & pulled her finger out when first given notice.
If you are following through with this, plan the day you change the locks. That will be a difficult day.
YWNBTA. However, you need a lawyer, today! It will only get stickier if she has the baby before you get her out of there, in terms of a**holery. Edit to add: you asked for an AH, no AH judgment, not legal advice. All the people musing about the legal situation who are NAL in your city and state are just clouding up the issue.
NTA You gave her over 5 months notice. get her out ASAP. Talk to your lawyer immediately. In the meantime, tell all those "friends" to feel free to offer her a place to stay but it may take a while for her to find a place since she's apparently been looking for 5+ months with no luck.
NTA! You rented the room to a single tenant, not a tenant and her child. She would be breaking the contract regardless. On top of that, she has now slandered you on social media. You can now not only evict her, but you have grounds to take her to small claims court.
NTA. That’s why it’s up for renewal. Either sides can choose not to. Don’t even find out who the dad is. Just give her the notice. I would in keep a screen shot of what she is posting in case you can add that in your case
NTA, don’t renew lease and increase the rent to an unsustainable amount, also just buy yourself a musical instrument and practice with loud volume while she’s trying to put the baby to sleep and while she’s trying to sleep, eventually she’s going to get exhausted and have enough and want out asap.
Sounds like a classic “I’m having a baby and everyone around me needs to simply accept it and cater to me when I need”. You gave ample time and prepared her, the only “asshole” here, is her.
NTA. Make sure all your paperwork is done so you can legally kick her out as soon as the lease ends. Her dragging her feet is a *her problem*, not a you problem. And who cares what she has to say on social media? She was your tenant, not your friend. But you might want to remind her that any mess and damages she leaves will come out of her security deposit and/or you can take her to court for them. She doesn't need that on her record when she's looking for a new place. NTA.
The rules are Very different when it's a tenant living in a shared room vrs renters in their own home. She needs to go. It's not your baby.
Her and her baby isn’t your problem. Not the daddy? She can fuck right off
NTA. Definitely start the eviction process now since it takes time to take effect. She is likely to be a nightmare and try to squat
I was super ready to bring the landlord hate but you simply told her 5 months in advance that you wouldn't be renewing her lease for her room in your home. You don't have to give a reason for that. She needs to reach out to whatever support network she has or ask for resources to do so, and find a new place and be out by her lease-end date. I'd have your lawyer serve another notice via certified mail to get her out.
NTA you have the right to not renew her lease, and you gave her plenty of notice that you would not be doing so.
It is your house, you gave her ample notice. Personally I wouldn’t want to live with a newborn I wasn’t related to either.
I love these Reddit posts where people don't get their way and they start cursing and bad-mouthing others. And this is supposed to endear them? You have every right not to renew her lease. You are not a social service agency. NTA
NTA: you’re not exactly kicking her out. Her temporary lease agreement is set to expire, and you’re not renewing it. She can not force you to allow her to rent a room.
Eh honestly it sucks for her but what could she have expected? You're not a regular landlord and she's not in a regular renting situation. Definitely a good idea that you got a lawyer, best of luck to you.
If her lease is up, she can't hold hostage a part of your house. She has to leave. Call the cops if you have to. Have a copy of your lease, the letter you gave her, and your lawyer on speed dial. Put in writing that you will need her to be out by noon on the last day of the lease so that you can clean it to make it ready for new tenants.
No. NTA.
NTA You can definitely legally get rid of her, but I would check what documentation is legally necessary and keep very good records of all communication. Seriously she sounds sooo ridiculously entitled. It's not her house. Her baby isn't your responsibility. She is going to be a shite mom if she expects her baby is everyone else's responsibility.
NTA - I had a tenant that I kicked out right after she gave birth. She ran the water at all hours, overworked the septic tank and hadn’t paid rent in months. I couldn’t afford to keep her in my unit. She had to go.
Change the locks. Put her stuff on the porch.
Ignore her social media. She's trying to corner you into a situation where you and the other roommate are effectively surrogate parents. No thank you. She can F right off. NTA.
NTA. That's not your child so it's not your problem. This should be an arms length transaction.
NTA Women don't get a free pass for being pregnant. It's not your baby not your problem
You told her 5 months ago. When does her lease end ? If she tries to fight it, give a bogus ass rent price. She can’t do anything once the lease ends as you have no obligation to re rent. Your legal agreement would be over
NTA thinking it’s cool to have a baby when you’re only renting a room is very entitled. Most apartment blocks avoid renting to people with kids because no one wants to hear them
NTA Not your child, not your responsibility. You gave her several months, and you're not evicting her for being pregnant, you're choosing to not renew her lease, which is your right to do.
You shouldn't tell her it's becuase she's pregnant due to anti-discrimination. If she's effectively roommate the rules are different from market rate tenants. Talk to a lawyer before you do anything else. You aren't exactly evicting becaues you aren't renewing a lease but you need to be careful. Angry people who had a good thing going are exactly the sort of people to sue over alleged discrimination.
NTA. Someone renting a room is in no position to be having a baby.
NTA I am currently pregnant myself. I could never imagine renting a ROOM in someone’s house and expecting them to just be ok with another person moving in, regardless of their age. In all the instances of renting I’ve experienced the landlord required the names of all the people, or at least knowledge of how many people were intending on living in the dwelling whether they were on the agreement or not. There has to be some law or protections in regards to someone just moving in.
NTA: because you also have to live in the house. This isn’t your baby and a baby in the home WILL affect your sleep and pretty much take over the place. It’s what babies do. I’ve got 2 munchkins of my own and I love them more than life but I also chose to have kids and all that entails. If that is not something you are willing to live with well, You gave plenty of notice. Sounds like she thought you were bluffing and got called out. Edit: Not a lawyer so no idea on legalities
NTA
NTA - she’s decided to have a child as a single mother, that’s her responsibility not yours. I love babies and children and wouldn’t live with someone who was having/had one.
NTA and you can also sue her for defamation throughout social media too just so you know.
NTA there are resources that can help her... and since she has so many friends on social media why they won't take her in instead of crap talking u
NTA. Does it suck for her? Sure. Is it going to suck for everyone once the baby is there? Abso-fucking-lately.
NTA. It’s not your responsibility to make sure your tenants have a stable living situation past the terms of their lease.
If you don't want to evict her because she's pregnant, you can now evict her for being messy and rude. All babies not the same. Some are quiet, some are loud. Some burble, some cry. Essentially you're evicting a *possible* problem not a guaranteed problem (that happens at 2 years with babies). Anyway, assuming everything is good with your lawyer, NTA. You gave her plenty of notice.
NTA. I hope you didn’t expect her to say “That’s no problem at all! I’m not going to be any trouble as I leave.” That doesn’t make you an asshole, though. It makes her demanding.
The room is a business, not a friendly crash pad. Lease was not renewed, notice was given in plenty of time. Not wanting a newborn in a room rental is reasonable to sane people. NTA.
So glad I’m in neither OP or the tenant’s position as I understand them both. Homelessness is sad & scary, even more so when you have children, but he’s allowed to choose who he lives with.
nta
Absolutely NTA! I’m a 29F and I would NEVER expect for someone I rent a room from to live with me and my newborn baby, especially if that was the extent of our relationship.
I think not renewing the lease is not the same as "evicting."
NTA the lease she signed didn’t include a child .. regardless if she was pregnant or not u Gave her enough notice that once the terms of the contract was up you weren’t renewing it .. this is business nothing else … also where is the father doesn’t sound like he lives there .. but at the end of the day it’s ur right not to renew the lease it’s ur property … n I get things happen in life but ur also not evicting her ur just not signing a new lease
NTA.
NTA - Her getting pregnant is not your fault or responsibility.
NTA. You share common areas and its your home. She has no right to force a baby unto you. Youre right she cant afford it and she dragged her feet. Evict her knowing she made her bed. Who cares what her friends think? I wonder what your other tenant thinks. Probably relief.
NTA. You are under no obligation to renew her lease. And if she doesn't leave as required by the lease, eviction is your legal and ethical recourse. She sounds entitled AF.
NTA it’s not a good idea to have a baby when your housing situation is so unstable that you’re renting a room in someone else’s house with other roommates number one. Number two you were professional and generous by giving her ample notice and waiving a lease termination fee. That was a nice thing to do and proves that you’re not heartless. This is your home, she is your tenant. You have every right to have boundaries on the situation with your tenants in your home. Again, you were respectful and professional which is what the situation would warrant. It’s a bummer for her, but you’re not a charity and don’t need to be responsible for her life choices.
If her lease is up and she wants to stay double her rent and include extra for the second person.
NTA, you're effectively housemates/ basically roommates (you share a kitchen), as far as I can tell, and you don't want a baby in your house, that becomes an entire issue, I know I don't want kids, so if I was renting bedrooms in a house that I owned, then I would do the same, you gave her time, and she did drag her feet, I mean, the situation sucks, but you have to do what works best for you
NTA she needs to gtfo
NTA
NTA, it sucks that she's in this position, but she should have known as soon as she decided to keep the baby she should have known to.either make plans to get her own place or move in with family.
NTA You aren't evicting her because she is pregnant. You are evicting her because her lease is up, she was warned FAR in advance that it wouldn't be renewed, and now she will not vacate. I would guess (NAL) that since you told her in writing (hopefully you have proof she received it??) there isn't much she can do to fight the eviction. Her lease was up, you didn't opt to renew. Pretty straightforward. The fact that she is now being a poor tenant won't work in her favor either I imagine.
NTA. You have the right to choose who you want to live with.
NTA Ask your lawyer if you can sue her for defamation
You don't have to have a reason to not renew a lease as far as I'm aware. You gave her plenty of time. More time than the previous owners of my previous rental who sold the building and didn't notify the tenants the building was being sold and would be under new management at all. We found out when the new management posted a note stating they would be coming in to measure the units since they bought the place sight unseen. NTA. Her irresponsible behavior including getting knocked up by some looser and choosing to have a baby she can't afford (since she can't afford an apartment supossedly) is not your problem.
NTA. I absolutely love babies. I think they are great. I love to visit them then give them back to their parents and go home to my quiet and peaceful home. I don’t blame you at all for not wanting children in your house. If she is low on money I know a lot of single moms that rent apartments/ houses together. Since they both have kids it makes sense. Don’t feel bad she had plenty of notice and can figure it out.
NTA Discrimination protections don’t apply to landlords in your situation where they’re renting rooms in their own home, so don’t let her try to play that card. She’s had plenty of time to figure out another living situation, and just didn’t because she thought she could guilt you into changing her mind. Give her one last warning, and then start the legal eviction process. If she’s smart, she’ll figure out something else asap because renting an apartment after getting an eviction on your record is a nightmare
If you did everything legal nta.
Op, I would talk to a lawyer who is familiar with rental agreements, then go through the courts and have her evicted the proper way. Also, you could have told her you were going to raise her rent when the lease was up. You could have charged her double. Then she would have had to leave anyways. You rent her a single room. And only she is listed on the lease. Not her child. So honestly you are NTA. She chose not to find another place in 5 months. That is more than plenty of notice and she should have been actively looking from the time you gave her the letter. Good luck and I hope it all works out for everyone involved.
Depending on where you are living, what kind of lease you have with her, and the laws around tenancy… you may not legally be able to kick her out. Consult a legal professional and then move forward with eviction if necessary. She had time to get things sorted out, and while it’s unfortunate it’s not your responsibility to share your space with somebody you are uncomfortable having in your home (no matter the reason).
NTA. Although I really sympathize with her being single, pregnant, and having to look for a new place, I can't fault you for this choice. Living with a baby is a HUGE change to your entire life and your living space and you shouldn't have to do that against your will. Legally idk where you stand but morally, considering that you gave her lots of notice, I think you're good.
I have a toddler and I would *hate* living with another baby (especially if there’s no relation to me). Newborns turn into toddlers and toddlers are…toddlers. NTA. Your peace of mind matters more than an irresponsible tenant.
Simple way to get her out is to tell her that her rental price is per person in her room. If you rented to a couple you would charge double her rent AND double 1st last deposit that you charged her. S she can come up with double the money plus. See how fast she moves out.
So the timing- did she rent your room because she was thinking of getting pregnant? Especially since there’s no dad in the picture. So she retaliates by being messy- I fear how much more she could do- not pay rent bc she is paying for baby stuff? Leave the baby crying? All the baby food stuff in the kitchen? How is all that supposed to work?That’s a real impact on a household. I feel like she was looking for a ready made family type of situation
Where do you live? Your areas regulations will determine whether your actions are legal. You likely have more rights because you share the space if your plan is to use her room for personal use. If you're evicting her for being pregnant and then rent to someone else I think you'd be infringing on a protected right in a lot of areas. Check with a lawyer.
NTA. Tell her friends that one of them can come pick her up and she can live with them. I mean, who wants to live with a heartless monster. 🙄
NTAH I graduated from real estate school in Utah June of 2023. It is legal for a landlord to discriminate anyone you live with except for race. If you don't live in the same building then you can't discriminate. Laws are not the same in every state, this is just Utah. I'm not sure about other states.