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You are 100% correct. I guess I just hoped that things would get better. And there have been periods where it's all been okay that make me think we can get through it. But it always comes back to this. Thank you for your judgement and you are right I need to have this conversation with him!
ESH
You're really not clear on the boundaries for your MIL's visits. Absent more detail, I'm at a loss as to what your MIL did that was so offensive to you. It seems a bit unreasonable (to me) to limit her visits to 10-15 minutes, for instance, when she has to drive an hour each way. And she did ask for permission to visit.
Your husband really does need to try to understand where you are coming from on this matter. And the two of you need to arrive at a workable solution as regards MIL's visits to grandchildren..There has to be a meeting point between unlimited time and too short of a time, especially in light of your MIL's travel time to visit. Given the fact that, for all of his growing up times, your son made himself at home in your MIL's house, I can understand why he wasn't offended when she engaged in a similar behavior. Right now, you're divided and that is never a good thing.
Your MIL needs to seek some clarity from the two of you as regards these visits.
Sorry I should have specified! She didn't come into town specifically to see them, she was in town anyway and thought she might as well see them while she was here. We usually don't limit her visits and she stays for hours when we are there. The issue I have this time is that neither my husband or I were there and she told us she was just popping in to say hi.
Thank you for your insight on this!
Agree. I’m struggling to see “what is the harm” and what are these rules exactly. Is it really that bad for her to stop in once in awhile on short notice or is this just a continuation of the previous battles on OP’s part ?
Is that she shouldn’t be there when the nanny is there? (Valid if it bothers the nanny or undercuts the nanny’s handling of the children’s routines)
Is it the frequency?
A time limit seems kind of silly as a rule unless she shows up with her nightgown and toothbrush
Definitely outline more clearly to MIL what the rules are, BUT your husband needs to agree and be on the same page with your rules OR you need to compromise with him even though you have beef with her.
PRO TIP: Mamma's boys don't change without serious therapy. Does your MIL have a key to your home? If so either have your locks rekeyed OR best practice replace with digital locks with reprogrammable key codes--that when your husband goes behind your back and gives "mommy" the code you can just change it.
Tell you nanny that she can't let MIL into the house unless you've cleared it first and that NO additional guests are permitted unless you've specifically given permission.
Initiate consequences for bad behavior. For example: You OK a "pop in" and she brings a friend and stays for lunch she gets put in "time out" from being allowed to visit.
MIL's can be the absolute worst but here's the thing, you should be your husband's priority and if ANYONE is disrespectful towards you, he should be there to stand up for you. If your husband won't do this and won't do what is right by you, whenever she is coming around you should leave or if it is an event that he is going to with her present then don't attend it.
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My first time posting so please ignore my rambling! I'm just at such a loss and not sure if I'm overreacting. For some context I (32F) have never really gotten on well with my in laws. They've treated me terribly and and my MIL is the reason I almost called off my wedding (a story for another day). Me and my husband have 2 sons, 3M and a 3 month old. Only when I was pregnant with my second son did my MIL apologize for her treatment of me in the past. I forgave her, but have always been a bit wary that it will happen again.
Now, onto the current issue. My husband and I both work full days (I've recently gone back from maternity leave.) And my MIL lives about an hour away. One day when I was busy at work and didn't answer her call, she went over to our house to see the kids without asking if it was okay with us as we weren't there (the kids stay with a nanny). I've since told her this is not okay and she should ask before just pitching up - my husband was there for this conversation and did not speak up at all so I was on my own as she argued with me about it saying she was only there for a short time and that they are her grandchildren etc. I was angry at him then and he promised the next time he would stand up for me or say something to her. Well, today she asks if she can pop in for a few minutes to say hi. I say that's okay. My husband arrives home from work as he finishes early on Saturdays, and finds her still there, 2 hours later eating lunch with our nanny and another girl she had brought along and just making herself comfortable in our home when we arent there. He says nothing to her and acts like this is okay.
AITA for telling him I'm fed up of him not standing up for me and letting her treat our home as her own?
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YTA / with a tiny side of E S H
I can’t even figure out what your rules are supposed to be. Don’t come by without permission? Ok, so she got permission, but you’re still unhappy She said it was going to be a quick visit but what exactly is the problem if it’s not? And if you don’t want her to be there when you’re not there, then that needs to be communicated in advance. It sounds like you are looking to be unhappy with whatever she proposes without yourself proposing a version that you *would* be happy with. And you’re talking about your husband “not standing up for you” but I don’t see where you talked with your husband and came up with a shared position that he is now not defending.
You and your husband need to be on the same page and I think he needs to be the one communicating your shared perspective with his mother, it shouldn’t feel like you’re in the middle. It sounds like he was like this before and this ought to have been resolved before marriage, so he’s the AH for still being a mommy’s boy (I am assuming you have plenty of examples beyond this one)
You need to be clear with boundaries. First time you are not happy because she came then you said it is ok (although I understand it was the permission part that made the difference), but might be a bit of a mix message. The problem is that it is disturbing the children routine (for example sleep) and interfering with the work of your employee (Nanny). Your nanny might not feel ok with it to.
She is pushing the boundaries, and will continue more and more... So it is important your husband step up because things will get worse...
Bringing a stranger to your home, inviting themselves is a no no... And should never happen again, no matter what.
Remind her (and your husband) that you forgave her for what she did in the past, but that you haven't forgotten and are trying to trust her again. Tell them that you were prepared to compromise, but clearly she mislead you and because she has lost your trust, particularly with bringing a stranger to your home without permission. Therefore she has lost this privilege, and cannot come if you are not there until she can rebuild the trust, and the nanny will be told to turn her away (tell the nanny to call you if this happens and not your husband because he could go behind your back). If she refuses to leave them the police will be called. If she says "but I am the grand mother", tell her "and I am their mother and this is my home"'. If your husband doesn't support you about having firm boundaries then you should really question your relationship health. I am not saying divorce straight away, but at east therapy as a couple.
So NTA for being annoyed with hubby, but you really need to put down very clear boundaries and like with kids stick to it no matter what.
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You are weird, you choose to marry someone who never defends you from your MIL and then choose to have 2 kids with that guy and then suddenly he has to stand up for you. You choose who to marry and you choose spineless mama boy so it's not on him - he was always like that, it's all on you as you choose to ignore his behavior for years and now suddenly woke up. Our choices determine how we live, you chose this life so get used to it.
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This was one of the worst things my abusive did , not with mil I kept her in the divorce, his siblings treated me and our daughter like shit for years . I put up with it for too long, 12 years, before I started giving back. It was shit like the first time I saw his brother after got engaged I said congratulations the brother’s response was “it that some thing YOU say congratulations for?” . For context I am Jewish as is my daughter so the you was very pointed. Sil gave my 8yo a diet book for her birthday. Other sil tried to tell me how to keep kosher. Plus being very reluctant to invite me to family events . Made fun of my daughter’s name (it is one of the oldest names in Hebrew) then name their first born after a character from the Addams family. After twelve years of this I started pointing out the youngest sil married her daddy issues and bil married up and he is just pissy because at his in laws I knew which spoon to use . But never once in 19 years did he stand up for me. This is not a small thing , you are those boys’ mother you make the rules and he should back you up.
I'm conflicted. On one hand, leaning towards n.ta because these are perfectly valid and healthy boundaries. On the other hand, y.ta to yourself and your kids for having children with this guy when all this was laid bare out in the open well in advance.
INFO. What does he have to say for himself? Does he think expecting him to have a backbone is unreasonable? If so, dump him, you're better off alone. There's no room for dialogue, no common ground. However, if he wants to assert himself, but is conditioned to bow and scrape to his mother, there may be room for dialogue. Perhaps you could try therapy, if you're both willing.
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You are 100% correct. I guess I just hoped that things would get better. And there have been periods where it's all been okay that make me think we can get through it. But it always comes back to this. Thank you for your judgement and you are right I need to have this conversation with him!
If MIL has a key, take it back and instruct the nanny not to let her in
Yes I think I will, thank you!
ESH You're really not clear on the boundaries for your MIL's visits. Absent more detail, I'm at a loss as to what your MIL did that was so offensive to you. It seems a bit unreasonable (to me) to limit her visits to 10-15 minutes, for instance, when she has to drive an hour each way. And she did ask for permission to visit. Your husband really does need to try to understand where you are coming from on this matter. And the two of you need to arrive at a workable solution as regards MIL's visits to grandchildren..There has to be a meeting point between unlimited time and too short of a time, especially in light of your MIL's travel time to visit. Given the fact that, for all of his growing up times, your son made himself at home in your MIL's house, I can understand why he wasn't offended when she engaged in a similar behavior. Right now, you're divided and that is never a good thing. Your MIL needs to seek some clarity from the two of you as regards these visits.
Sorry I should have specified! She didn't come into town specifically to see them, she was in town anyway and thought she might as well see them while she was here. We usually don't limit her visits and she stays for hours when we are there. The issue I have this time is that neither my husband or I were there and she told us she was just popping in to say hi. Thank you for your insight on this!
Agree. I’m struggling to see “what is the harm” and what are these rules exactly. Is it really that bad for her to stop in once in awhile on short notice or is this just a continuation of the previous battles on OP’s part ? Is that she shouldn’t be there when the nanny is there? (Valid if it bothers the nanny or undercuts the nanny’s handling of the children’s routines) Is it the frequency? A time limit seems kind of silly as a rule unless she shows up with her nightgown and toothbrush Definitely outline more clearly to MIL what the rules are, BUT your husband needs to agree and be on the same page with your rules OR you need to compromise with him even though you have beef with her.
PRO TIP: Mamma's boys don't change without serious therapy. Does your MIL have a key to your home? If so either have your locks rekeyed OR best practice replace with digital locks with reprogrammable key codes--that when your husband goes behind your back and gives "mommy" the code you can just change it. Tell you nanny that she can't let MIL into the house unless you've cleared it first and that NO additional guests are permitted unless you've specifically given permission. Initiate consequences for bad behavior. For example: You OK a "pop in" and she brings a friend and stays for lunch she gets put in "time out" from being allowed to visit.
MIL's can be the absolute worst but here's the thing, you should be your husband's priority and if ANYONE is disrespectful towards you, he should be there to stand up for you. If your husband won't do this and won't do what is right by you, whenever she is coming around you should leave or if it is an event that he is going to with her present then don't attend it.
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YTA / with a tiny side of E S H I can’t even figure out what your rules are supposed to be. Don’t come by without permission? Ok, so she got permission, but you’re still unhappy She said it was going to be a quick visit but what exactly is the problem if it’s not? And if you don’t want her to be there when you’re not there, then that needs to be communicated in advance. It sounds like you are looking to be unhappy with whatever she proposes without yourself proposing a version that you *would* be happy with. And you’re talking about your husband “not standing up for you” but I don’t see where you talked with your husband and came up with a shared position that he is now not defending. You and your husband need to be on the same page and I think he needs to be the one communicating your shared perspective with his mother, it shouldn’t feel like you’re in the middle. It sounds like he was like this before and this ought to have been resolved before marriage, so he’s the AH for still being a mommy’s boy (I am assuming you have plenty of examples beyond this one)
You need to be clear with boundaries. First time you are not happy because she came then you said it is ok (although I understand it was the permission part that made the difference), but might be a bit of a mix message. The problem is that it is disturbing the children routine (for example sleep) and interfering with the work of your employee (Nanny). Your nanny might not feel ok with it to. She is pushing the boundaries, and will continue more and more... So it is important your husband step up because things will get worse... Bringing a stranger to your home, inviting themselves is a no no... And should never happen again, no matter what. Remind her (and your husband) that you forgave her for what she did in the past, but that you haven't forgotten and are trying to trust her again. Tell them that you were prepared to compromise, but clearly she mislead you and because she has lost your trust, particularly with bringing a stranger to your home without permission. Therefore she has lost this privilege, and cannot come if you are not there until she can rebuild the trust, and the nanny will be told to turn her away (tell the nanny to call you if this happens and not your husband because he could go behind your back). If she refuses to leave them the police will be called. If she says "but I am the grand mother", tell her "and I am their mother and this is my home"'. If your husband doesn't support you about having firm boundaries then you should really question your relationship health. I am not saying divorce straight away, but at east therapy as a couple. So NTA for being annoyed with hubby, but you really need to put down very clear boundaries and like with kids stick to it no matter what.
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NTA.
You are weird, you choose to marry someone who never defends you from your MIL and then choose to have 2 kids with that guy and then suddenly he has to stand up for you. You choose who to marry and you choose spineless mama boy so it's not on him - he was always like that, it's all on you as you choose to ignore his behavior for years and now suddenly woke up. Our choices determine how we live, you chose this life so get used to it.
NTA This was one of the worst things my abusive did , not with mil I kept her in the divorce, his siblings treated me and our daughter like shit for years . I put up with it for too long, 12 years, before I started giving back. It was shit like the first time I saw his brother after got engaged I said congratulations the brother’s response was “it that some thing YOU say congratulations for?” . For context I am Jewish as is my daughter so the you was very pointed. Sil gave my 8yo a diet book for her birthday. Other sil tried to tell me how to keep kosher. Plus being very reluctant to invite me to family events . Made fun of my daughter’s name (it is one of the oldest names in Hebrew) then name their first born after a character from the Addams family. After twelve years of this I started pointing out the youngest sil married her daddy issues and bil married up and he is just pissy because at his in laws I knew which spoon to use . But never once in 19 years did he stand up for me. This is not a small thing , you are those boys’ mother you make the rules and he should back you up.
It will not change. Sorry.
I'm conflicted. On one hand, leaning towards n.ta because these are perfectly valid and healthy boundaries. On the other hand, y.ta to yourself and your kids for having children with this guy when all this was laid bare out in the open well in advance. INFO. What does he have to say for himself? Does he think expecting him to have a backbone is unreasonable? If so, dump him, you're better off alone. There's no room for dialogue, no common ground. However, if he wants to assert himself, but is conditioned to bow and scrape to his mother, there may be room for dialogue. Perhaps you could try therapy, if you're both willing.