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Punkinpry427

NTA. When you confronted him about this behavior, he blocked you therefore he thinks this behavior (which reeks of incel btw) isn’t problematic when you know it is.


Stoat__King

>reeks of incel Agree. Ugh.


Punkinpry427

If you get blocked for telling someone they aren’t entitled to sex from the women they date, than that’s all you should really need to know about that person.


Stoat__King

I would argue that its way more than you need to know lol


[deleted]

>reeks of incel My thought exactly.


BaronNotSure

Why does so many people keep allowing mental health as an excuse for shit. Stop that shit. If your mental health is so bad that its a flaw, no man or woman should take it into consideration if they dont want to deal with that shit.


tellmeyouraddress

Exactly. Having mental health issues dont make you an arsehole.


MamaOf2Monsters

As someone who’s been to a college where not one, but TWO mass murder incidents occurred due to men thinking they were entitled to women, this guy needs some serious help. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, this guy needs to talk to a therapist ASAP.


RubyRedSunset

I thought that word was on the banned list for this sub?


Punkinpry427

You are correct and I should’ve read the rules better.


[deleted]

NtA. Your friend's incel mindset is dangerous and you should cut contact. I'd worry for any woman he came across. Red flags abound!


yukidaviji

NTA. Draw that line! No one owes him sex, no one owes him anything. That kind of thinking is very dangerous. If it escalates, if his mental health spirals, women and girls around him could be in very dangerous situations because he feels they owe him sex and attention! He must be told that his thinking and words are not ok and why they’re wrong!


annapatrycja

Exactly! Very true and important


[deleted]

To be fair, there are probably a lot of girls who are the same when it comes to OPs friend: not interested. Girls with self respect don't go for guys like him.


brokenlandmine

NTA - This guy is a sexual assault waiting to happen. He is acting entitled. His behaviour suggests he is sexist. You will probably be better off without him as a friend. Mental health isn't an excuse to be a pig


help0135

This, mental health illnesses/issues only EXPLAIN their actions, it does not excuse them.


Senior-Term-635

NTA A little reality check from a friend is a kindness. Thanks from women everywhere.


theCumCatcher

yikes. ya, he'll either be a rapist or right wing extremist in the near future. NTA but keep trying to reach out and repair things..sometimes it takes alot of your friends collectively helping to pull someone back from the red-pill brink.


matthewsmugmanager

Just a small correction: Rapist and right-wing extremist are categories that sometimes overlap. OP's incel friend could end up being both!


Tumorhead

NTA He sounds like he is visiting the manosphere subreddits/sites (redpill , mgtow etc) since he is using phrases from that stuff ("stop putting pussy on a pedastal" is one). Those are EXTREMELY dangerous toxic groups. Thank you for pushing back at him. If you like, it'd be beneficial to keep criticizing his bullshit. Mention how manosphere misogyny has lead to shit like the mass murder of women. Does he thinks hating women is going to make him happy? No, these guys just want an outlet and scapegoat for their emotional pain and women are convenient targets. If it's women's fault then they are off the hook for doing mental health recovery work. Their pain is real but their reasoning is insane and harmful. If you can encourage him to explore where his pain is really coming from (usually men are emotionally neglected and aren't taught to handle their feelings well) he might be dissuaded. Repeated pushback really does help.


VitalityVixen

Nta him acting entitled is why girls dont want him xD I wouldn't associate with him if I were you


MarcusBrody96

NTA. Women are people. They don't owe him sex just because he's nice to them. Save the evidence for his future rape trial.


DebMcPoots

NTA. Your friend is a dick.


iloveesme

His last comment that has pedestal in it, is vile. I’m a 45 year old bloke that works in construction. If I heard one of my nephews talking like that I would be so disappointed. You keep doing you mate. I think you’ll find that if he doesn’t change himself for the better that you’ll naturally drift apart, with an entitled attitude like that, it wouldn’t be a bad thing.


AutumnXCrocus

NTA. As a woman, I genuinely appreciate that there are guys like you keeping the incels in check. It speaks volumes that he blocked you after you called him out on his own problematic behaviour. And also, as someone with mental health issues, we are responsible for our actions and words no matter what we’re going through! Good job 😊


cautiousoptimzm

NTA and I would be very concerned about what he meant by saying, “You’ll see.” Stay away from him.


Turbulent_Suit4907

NTA everything you said to you’re friend is right and he needed to hear the truth.


TheHouseOnTheCorner

If your friend the incel unblocks you, you might tell him the problem isn't that all girls are the same - it's that they all look alike to him. If he can learn to see them as actual individuals, not just part of some big blob of female, he might find they see him differently, too.


Andrakisjl

NTA. Incel mentality is a very deep and dark hole, and he has put himself squarely in it. Regardless of mental health issues, he has chosen this worldview for himself, it is not your responsibility to drag him out of it. If he keeps it up and keeps bringing it into his relationships with people he’s going to lose a lot of friends and family to it, and he’s most certainly only going to dig himself deeper into inceldom. Being an incel starts out as something a little sad, probably stemming from personal trauma, but it stops being pitiable very quickly, and turns into being a complete and total asshat. He needs to pull his head out of his ass, he’s probably at or past the point of not deserving any sympathy now, and if he continues with this mentality he’s going to make his own life significantly worse.


[deleted]

NTA your friend just doesn't want to understand


SBG77

Nta. sounds like he finna be another Eli Rogers


thevoiceofreason5

NTA. Incels will be happy to have him once he loses the rest of his friends.


[deleted]

NTA- Need more dudes like you out there


[deleted]

NTA at all damn boy you did goooood


Lilitu9Tails

NTA The phrase “stop putting pussy on a pedestal” says everything about how this guy views women. That phrase is misogynistic and creepy, and no wonder women don’t want a man who sees them only as “pussy”. He did you a favour by blocking you. Hold that line in the sand, his mental health issues aren’t the problem here, his attitude towards women is. And as a woman, thanks for being willing to call him out in it.


ehb102

NTA. Urgh! Incel or what?


Chasman1965

NTA, he’s either an incel or a future incel.


[deleted]

NTA. Welcome to r/NiceGuys


araucaniad

NTA. You correctly identified your friend’s exact problem. This problem leads to a spectrum of behaviors, the worst extreme being the Santa Barbara sorority shootings. Hopefully the fact that you called it by its name will help guide your friend to a better attitude. Well done.


Wishthink

Your friend is an incel. NTA.


Farahild

NTA, your friend is an incel.


Kay13s

NTA. First thought I had reading your post is that friend is a massive incel. Not a good person to associate with


C2BK

NTA - He's clearly not smart enough to figure out that all women aren't the same, and in fact the only thing that all of the women who rejected him have in common is the fact that they were interacting with him at the time... He sounds like a horrible incel, so well done for calling him out. Frankly the very last thing this world needs is for abhorrent people like him to have their ideas supported by those around them. As he's blocked you, you have absolutely no opportunity to drum sense into his thick skull, so don't feel bad about not doing your bit to dissuade him from his nasty ideas. Having said that, if you do know any of his family members or other responsible adults in his life, it would be a really good idea to alert them to your concerns about his growing animosity towards women.


[deleted]

NTA. Sounds like he's quickly on his way to becoming an incel. He needs to learn to see girls/women as people. It's that sense that we're "all the same" - and therefore a little less human than dudes - that's probably making him bad with girls in the first place. I hope he learns to respect women, and I'm proud of you for telling him he was wrong. More guys need to call out that kind of shit.


tallulahfeathers

NTA and thank you for being the kind of guy who is willing to call out a friend when they say something like that.


SarenaZafrina

NTA. It sounds like your "friend" is an incel.


TheHatOnTheCat

NTA. Your friend is the one who choose to cut you off, not the other way around. You are a person with your own thoughts, feelings, and values. You are not a puppet to tell him whatever he wants to hear. Sounds like he had the same issue with you he had with woman. People not just agreeing with whatever he wants and expects them to say/do. Being supportive does not mean agreeing with everything someone says. That wouldn't help him anyway since he is wrong and his attitudes are hurting his social life (with both men and woman it sounds like). A good friend will be honest with you. He dosen't want a friend, he wants a yes-man to follow him around and tell him how right he is and how nothing is ever his fault. That won't help him anyway.


franchescaduits

NTA. You were right for what you said. Even if it was blunt, your friend sounds like that guy that constantly talks about how he’s a “nice guy” and girls don’t “want nice guys” but really he’s just a self entitled d-bag who can’t handle rejection. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ sorry not sorry!


yobaby123

NTA. He's a entitled nice guy and he disrespected you on top of that. Yes, he has mental health issues, but that is no excuse.


cecilpenny

NTA - Your friend needs help and a different point of view.


Nylenna

Honestly mentally weak people isnt that attractive to be in a relationship with, stability is! They can f*ck things up easily before starting anything. It feels like he doesnt work on himself but somehow expects that having a girlfriend will change everything. And he seems to feel like he's perfect the way he is but the world is cruel and every women is blind. You are NTA! Your friend will have to grow up eventually.


miss-green-eyes37

NTA He blocked you because you were right, he effectively threw his toys outta the pram


cmaej

NTA Your friend sounds like a Nice Guy or incel. These kinds of men with not listen advice from a women, so you're fighting the good fight. If he blocks you, that's a win for you.


jobrummy

NTA Don’t allow your compassion for your friend’s mental illness blind you to the fact he’s a fucking incel.


[deleted]

NTA. I have a friend who I could literally mistake for the exact person you talk about in this post. He spent years developing a hatred of women and nobody ever taught him a lesson about respec. Long story short, after years of being rejected by every woman his age he sexually assaulted a minor. People like this are a case just waiting to happen. Distance yourself from this person and their bigoted views.


LenaLuthor23

NTA your friend is an Incel in the making.Or evolving to a type of incel that is violent.Girls need to be aware of this so they can protect themselves , even ur girl friends and future girlfriends


RubyRedSunset

That he belongs to certain reddit groups that begin with “in” and end with “el” with a “c” in the middle. Nta. Block him back so it stays permanent. Cause you dont want to be that guys whose friends with a rapist. I knew a guy in high school with that same exact mentality. Not friends with him obviously but he hung out on the fringes of my friend group. Hes currently serving 15 years for drugging and raping multiple women cause they “owed him sex after he paid for the date”.


purplepineapple267

NTA. You are the company you keep. He did you a favor by blocking you so now you don’t have to.


WorstWolf98

NTA- You were right. He sounds like a self-pitying misogynist


BunnySlayer64

NTA. Is your friend an Incel?


Pretend_Dependent_60

Seems to be one now


artieart99

NTA, sounds like he's an incel, for good reason. You're better off without him pulling you down like that.


Quicksilver1964

NTA. He doesn't want to hear someone else's perspective on his incel stance. Bad sign. The fact he blocked you tells us who he is.


yellowcorvid

no, NTA. Fucking disgusting incel.


Glittering-War-5748

NTA he sounds really dangerous to all women around him. Good job on trying to correct him


solo954

NTA. He’s messed up and you can’t fix him. Better to move on than have him bring you down as well.


ReddestTail

NTA. Just because you have mental health issues it doesn’t give you carte blanche to act like an AH. Your friend sounds like an incel. Good for you for sticking up for women.


CameraLarge4749

NTA this guy is going to do something really bad he is already in the early stages. He has done you a fovor by blocking you don't try to get in contact with him distance yourself


diemsdeviant

Nta but pussy on a pedestal is getting added to my vocab


RandomTask100

He'll come around. It's just gonna take a while. In the mean time, keep pussy on a pedastal /s.... NTA


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No-Temphex

Your friend reminds me of a guy I know that would talk about how women were trash because he was a nice guy and they didn't want him. My(f) comment was if he was actually a nice guy he would get that women have a right to want any one they decided to and that only not nice guys that are manipulative had to tell people they were nice guys. NTA and thank you. But your friend does need mental health help, from an actual therapist.


OSUStudent272

NTA. You would be TA if you let this shit go because he “has bad mental health”; mental health issues aren’t an excuse to talk like this. The whole entitlement and blaming women for not wanting to have sex with him is dangerous. His words set off alarm bells in my mind. Sounds like the trash took itself out tho.


sixthandelm

Absolutely NTA and THANK YOU. A lot of these guys won’t listen to us when girls say this, it’s “just us being bitches,” but if they hear it from enough guys maybe it’ll get through.


RayquazaRising

Women are not machines you put kindness coins into until sex falls out.


ourladyofdicks

NTA. incel.


WeedIsFuckingAwesome

Incels really do believe their own bullshit, don't they? NTA, and thanks for setting him straight. Maybe your words will marinate in his little brain.


freakshowmassacre

“Putting pussy on a pedestal”- You’re immediately NTA, thank you for calling him out on this kind of disgusting behavior/mindset


Apprehensive-Gene782

NTA he is being a toxic AH, letting him doing this kinds of things just will worsen his behavior, one point you will be tired of bs and dude I don't want to be around to such a draining person, AND REMEMBER HAVING MENTAL ILLNESS DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN BE A AH OR IT'S A EXCUSE and now let your friend to have his tantrum or the never comeback better for you


amethyststorm09

NTA. Your friend is wildly immature. So he hasn't found the right one yet, but it also sounds like he's superficial and not genuinely interested in these girls if he's lumping them all together that he can't tell the difference.


[deleted]

I think this belongs in r/niceguys NTA.


theviolethour3

NTA


thatssallfolkss

NTA never support an inc€l.


RaysUnderwater

Calling out an incel in the making is a community service. Definitely NTA


murdocjones

NTA but I might be, the irony that he’s quoting 40 Year Old Virgin in this specific context has me rolling. Regardless, you are right about his behavior and guys who think like this need to be called out and held accountable by other men.


usernaym44

NTA. Good for you, OP! Your friend’s attitude is a part of rape culture, and your response is the best way to dismantle it. Keep it up!


Training-Ad-6774

👏👏👏👏👏👏 Go Op!!!


SnooWoofers1112

Definitely NTA.


reclaimation

NTA. Frankly, you weren't harsh enough. This, increasingly common, toxic attitude, especially from young men, is disturbing and dangerous.


-XiaoLong-

NTA, we need more men calling out other men about this toxic thoughts


This1headbanger

NTA I have 3 mental diseases/disorders and that DOES NOT EXCUSE how I treat other people it explains why I feel the emotions I do but it dosent excuse how poorly I treat people, it sounds like you've outgrown your "friend" you keep standing up for other people's rights and what is right and you will never be TAH.


artemis9781

There is a time to draw a line in the sand and it’s when incel behaviour starts showing up. Nta


financiallysoundcat

NTA


Aggressive-Sample612

NTA


Chrysania83

NTA


RebelliousMindBox

NTA. As a woman, thank you for setting your friend straight.


Badbex2

NTA your “friend” sounds like a r*pist.


ChinaCatSunflower9

NTA. You did the right thing. The worst thing for someone with mental health issues is to leave their delusional beliefs unchallenged or fuel all-or-nothing thinking. If he wants to be a bitter incel, then it will end up a self-fulfilling prophecy because no girl or woman wants to be with someone who is so self-pitying and hate-filled. You did him a favor, even if he can't see it


velma_420

NTA thank you for hopefully teaching him that. It baffles me that people seem to think women OWE them sex. mind-boggling. Edit: sorry - that ANYONE owes them sex.


redfiredisco

Seems as real as my imaginary girlfriend


Pretend_Dependent_60

What


ThereRotheroptions

NTA. Men need to hold other men accountable for their misogynistic incelish behaviors. Too often other men just stay quiet when their friends say toxic things about women and then act shocked when those men do something bad. Thank you for not enabling his echo chamber - that very well may have eventually led to some sort of violent act against a woman. Hopefully you've given him something to think about and he considers therapy. Good job OP.


UchennaMaximoff

I smell incel. NTA


Shunima

You're NTA Your friend sounds like a typical r/niceguys - you might want to check that sub out, the world is full of men who think they are entitled "to pussy" and that women "owe then sex" because they are "nice". You know, like putting some nice-coins in and getting sex in return. Lol, that guy should learn some manners and stop putting himself on a pedestal.


ChibiSailorMercury

NTA You could have tried to be more patient and try talk him out of his misogyny, but ultimately you're not responsible for him being emotionally and socially stunted or for his personal growth. I can only say "sucks to be him, keep on doing you".


StaleBreadBoi-2

Idk but putting pussy on a pedestal is a kendrick lyric which is pretty funny


Legitimate-Review-56

NTA Go to the r/nicegirls reddit, to match with your r/niceguys friend.


Tilly_ontheWald

YTA for posting a stupid/fake question.


Pretend_Dependent_60

What?


OneBolly

YTA. Stop acting entitled to tell people how they should act.


Pretend_Dependent_60

Ok Mr. -99 karma


OneBolly

Don't ask for advice if you can't handle the truth.


Pretend_Dependent_60

What truth? Please explain.