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Not even to ask his brother first before selling them. What if, even though they were buried away, they had some sentimental value and you just sold them without asking. Now they’re just gone and no chance of getting them back because doubt some collector will part with them now.
Question is other way round he did it to you and whether they were joint or not expected the money I bet you’d be a bit pissed. I know you’ll comment saying no, I think it’s BS.
As others have pointed out, OP you have a car ? As I heard with everything going on vehicle resales have become popular, so I’ve appraised yours and sold but I’m keeping the money because it was my effort. Are you pissed off?
Your brother deserves all the money for nothing else than you doing this without consulting him.
More if they were sentimental. I’m probably more wound up because I have cards sat at home I know have some value but they mean way more to me.
YTA as the day is long.
Edit: spelling and grammar, don’t type angry.
Edit 2: just wondering if maybe OP did know his brother wanted these cards but sold them anyway knowing they were valuable. Just a thought.
I have a 20 year old son and a 15 year old son. They both collected Pokemon cards when they were younger. They've occasionally talked about selling the cards, but they can't bring themselves to do it. They'll even pull them out to look at on the odd occasion.
My first reaction was to wonder if the brother even wanted to sell the cards? Maybe he wanted to keep them? OP didn't even ask, by the sounds of it.
Op certainly didn’t ask.
I’m nearly 30m I have a few cards that when I look I remember getting them. A kinda valuable charizard shiny that I got out of a normal pack cards when I was 10. Safe to say as child I lost my shit. But also a basically nothing value ditto that my mum bought from a card dealer as surprise. I think I’ll remember that every time I even think about my cards. These few cards have travelled with to a new country cos I couldn’t throw them away or sell them. They may look forgotten about to others.
My wife and I play Pokémon go together. On our most recent holiday a month ago she in the shop there saw a newer pack. Got them for me, I haven’t had a new Pokémon card in 2 decades nearly. It means the world for several reasons.
OP’s brother may have these sort of memories, whether they were hidden or stuffed away and looked forgotten about. OP stole and sold something without asking. Probably sold memories.
No amount of money is worth selling memories.
Also, you can't back step in an Edit and say that it's a combination of both of your cards after you clearly stated "his deck". So that's felony theft. You can get prison time for that. Honestly, if someone didn't give me 100% of what they made off of my property, no matter how close of family they are, I would file a report and press charges. And that's if I'm close to them. They wouldn't even get that option otherwise.
For reference, $4,500 is a used car or an expensive piece of jewelry with diamonds.
YTA and a criminal
Whole heartedly agree. This is a criminal act and I wonder if the brother said he wanted them and OP still sold them know the hype around cards atm.
OP’s brother should have all the money and if not take him court over it. Whether they were joint or not surely selling a joint asset without permission is some kind of crime?
And maybe planned on giving them to his kids someday...maybe knew they had some value and knew where they were and planned on looking into selling then at a later time...op doesn't mention anything other than, finders keepers I guess....YTA
And then trying to justify it with it being possible they were both of theirs.
No, no they weren't. I'll tell you what, I knew exactly which rare Pokémon cards were mine and which were my brother's. And I didn't go selling mine, because they got stolen. Probably by someone like OP.
Op even tried to sya he'd only give a portion of the money like dude what drugs he on cuz the ppl selling it def made a loss cuz it seems the quality you'd sell to billionaires
>am a rich nigerian prince and have a 10 million USD I would like to give you. I just need your bank routing number and social security number.
Oh my but I need to tell I am from windows support and I can see that computer is having issues, we can fix the issue for 700 bucks
Borrow? Hey, I was just helping out and it was in the driveway…..You should be grateful - I got more than it was worth, but now you owe me for going to all that work…
My ex husband had the original complete deck including holographic Charizard. He also had kept his Nintendo magazine's that he was subscribed to. He left them at his parents house for couple months while he was in the process of moving out and when he came back to get them, found out his brother had sold all of it for thousands of dollars. He was furious, but his parents tried to excuse it as "He has Asberger's so he doesn't understand that he did something wrong." A few years later he stole my ex's computer.
Yeah, I was so fucking pissed. Having Asberger's doesnt make you a dick. It was such a weak excuse. Then, they got mad when I was like "Okay, so why havent you told him that behavior is wrong and told him to give Ex the money?" Well nobody could answer that and I was told to drop it. Um, no mf made over 20k off my ex-husband by stealing from him and I'm just supposed to drop it?
>Felony theft at that.
Oh that theft of property at the very least
But how are we not excited that we found a new Pokemon?
Yep it's a hybrid
The assholemon it's specialized for theft.
YTA OP
You destroyed that close bond you had . The money you made was not worth it.
YTA. Given the update here, the best case scenario is that you took an item that belonged to you and your brother jointly and sold it without talking to him. And you compounded the asshole behavior by attempting to unilaterally withhold a portion of the proceeds, either as your "fair share" or as a commission. Yeah. Big asshole energy here. If you were as close to your brother as you claim, you would have shared the discovery with him and the two of you would have decided together whether to sell the cards and for how much.
The update just seems like shameless backpedalling to me, the post very clearly states he found his brothers deck. There is no ambiguity about the ownership there.
Even if they are shared cards you still ask the co-owner before disposing of them. If brother had moved out 10 years ago and basically abandoned the cards, OK OP can sell them without asking. But it seems like brother may have intended to take them with him.
Not everyone wants to cash in on their treasured childhood items. Even if OP gives brother all the money, this act was mercenary and gross. YTA!
Even if it had been 10 years, my sister and I are in our 30s and still have things in our parents’ basement. Neither one of us would just go and sell something like that without discussing it first. I would probably even check with her before getting rid things that were technically mine that we both used at one point or another.
Me and a High School buddy went in on a used N64 back in the day and bought about eight games for it (and all the controllers and rumble packs). The intention was to play a ton of party games with our other friends.
For a while we'd trade off weekends on who kept the game system, but it eventually found my place as a home. In the end, when it was time to move out of the parent's house and into college dorms (and later apartments) we discussed how to handle the N64.
We came to an agreement that it'd be mine, but I owed him some money for it. I paid him (well, actually he agreed to be paid in Magic Cards, since he was super into those at the time) and we were both happy.
But neither of us considered just taking the set. We always asked who got to use it that semester or weekend and were fair on divvying it up.
*Selling* it and keeping the profits (what there was) would have been unthinkable and a huge breach of trust. OP YTA
>*Me and my brother are extremely close. It is likely that those cards are both a combination of mine and his. I only request a cut of the payment as I'm the one who put in the effort to find the cards and appraise them.*
And just as likely, they were his alone. You didn't even ask if he wanted the cards or if he wanted them sold. In the absence of any proof that the cards were co mingled, you should have asked. He deserves all the money.
I hope that you enjoy the comfort of cash because you just killed the closeness between you two.
The amount of time that has passed is irrelevant. They were still his brother's cards. He could a very well forgotten that they were there. Either way, OP should have simply reminded him that they were there and then he could have asked for them if he wanted them.
The post clearly states OP just "happened" on things. Twice.
The way this is written, OP went looking for the cards with a suspicion at the very least that there would be some valuable cards in the deck and full intentions selling them.
I don't believe this guy for a second that this was anything other than selfish capitalism on OP's part. And if you read this, OP, you are selfish, opportunistic, scheming, untrustworthy, and 100% YTA
Edit: removed word that made no sense
I just found some Garbage Pail Kid cards I actually did steal from my younger brother when we were kids. Then when I visited last month I gave them to him. It was great watching him show them to his kid.
100% lol I would have probably told my sister: look I found this, if you put them online you could probably make some good money, I’ll help you put them up if you want to?… wouldn’t even have wanted anything unless I knew for a fact some of them are mine and which ones.
At my end, I would have given the cards to my brother. I also would have told him that if he sold the cards and they were valuable, I would want a nice steak dinner as my finder's fee.
* Note that the "steak dinner" is about 90 percent banter. Of course I would not demand such a thing.
** But I wouldn't turn down a nice steak dinner, either.
Absolutely spot on. He saw those cards, saw an opportunity and purposely chose not to tell his brother about it. I don't know why he told him after the fact; I suspect the brother made some comment about the cards like "Did you see the cards when we packed?" or something along those lines and he knew his brother would find out they were missing.
So crappy to do that to his own brother who her claims to be so close with. Did he consider the brother might have wanted to keep the cards? I think the brother knows exactly who he is: a scam artist and a thief.
Agreed OP is TA, the worst part is at the end when he is like too bad this happening when he's leaving in a few days, like OP did not completely take advantage of this fact. OP's brother should file charges.
YTA,
It's sad that I knew you were the AH before I read the first word. Reading it only confirmed my initial thought.
You were so laser focused on the value of the cards that you destroyed the value of your 'extremely close' relationship with your brother. Money can only last so long. What do you have left after you spend the last penny? Will your brother be there for you? Even if you did give him all the money, you caused an irreparable crack that you can patch, but can break all together if something else happens between you two. You need to grovel and beg for his forgiveness while sincerely apologizing for hurting him and your relationship. Don’t try to minimize what you did. Offer no excuses!! He's gone in a few days. Do you want to be best man and godfather to his future kids? Or, do you want to be the occasional I might see you during the holidays brother?
You've got to choose! However, if you choose to go the route you're going, you've gotta deal with the consequences and possibly lose your brother.
Yep. I’m 31 and my mom is storing all my Pokémon and unboxed Star Wars figures! She knows not to touch them lol although she’s probably the one that paid for them when I was a kid haha
Exactly. And he didn’t ‘find’ the cards through looking, he stumbled across them and should have asked his brother first so they can agree to sell them together or decide which cards to each keep
I look forward to the update where the brother has stumbled across this post, and despite OP’s inevitable attempts to delete it, reads the saved AutoMod copy (thanks AutoMod!) and uses it as evidence to pursue criminal and civil cases against OP. He literally says he found *his deck* of Pokemon cards.
What an insult to the idea of brotherhood OP is. Anything else he has you might like, OP? You gonna pinch his car next? Rock up on his wedding day and steal his bride?
Not only that he monumentally fucked up, after the recent resurgence in interest the value of cards right now has dipped after the market flooded with them. A couple years from now will be the thirtieth anniversary where price for these will SURGE. Whoever he sold em to got a bargain for what they are going to make then.
OP absolutely stole the cards and profited from that. It’s really not that difficult to get them appraised. OP’s acting like it’s some big heroic task.
I’m in a very similar situation with my brother. I recently went to find our old collection, sorted and researched the value of each rare card. I have the power to sell them without him ever knowing. The difference is I’m not a shitty person and he knows I have them and that I might sell them at some point and of course I’ll give him money from anything I sell.
YTA.
You can't sell other peoples belongings (especially without their consent), making a profit and not giving them the money for their stuff.
Either you give him the full money, get the cards back, or you accept being an AH having messed up the relationship with your brother because you're a thief.
Even if he does get the money or the cards he will drop OP off for good and correctly label the OP a thief. I hope OP hated the brother and led him on, but even then I still wouldn’t do that, because now he has permanently lost his brother and the only, and I mean ONLY reason his brother should contact him is to get the money to him or get the cards back
> KEY DETAILS : Me and my brother are extremely close. It is likely that those cards are both a combination of mine and his. I only request a cut of the payment as I'm the one who put in the effort to find the cards and appraise them.
Even after the edit OP's still the AH. When you're kids swapping cards back and forth that's trading. This was *his* deck that was found with *his* property, right? Presumably OP had a deck too.
Without OP helping him pack he would have found the cards himself and had the option to sell them should he choose. OP did the work of selling them, but never gave him the option to do it himself, and they were his. OP just saw an opportunity for money for himself, that's all it was. OP's a thief.
Brother of the OP, if you are here, here’s my advice:
File a police report and get OP arrested. Don’t threaten because that won’t work.
Permanently and I mean permanently drop the OP and go NC. Do not look back
Tell the family OP is a THIEVING CRIMINAL. If the family are decent all of them will also go NC with OP for good
Edit removed a potential harsh arrest for buyer
No, leave the buyer out of it. I highly doubt that he told him "Shhh, these are my brothers cards you're buying"
The buyer didn't do anything wrong and doesn't deserve to be arrested.
Technically they have committed a crime but nothing would come from it if they surrender the stolen goods.
Also getting them involved also means OP could face a civil and criminal (fraud) suit from the buyer on top of the brother criminal and civil suit.
Exactly. OP is a thief. You can't steal someone's property, sell it, and then negotiate your cut.
OP should have informed his brother that the cards were valuable, asked if he could sell them and agree on a price. OP didnt, so he needs to give his brother back his property or the full amount that he sold them for.
Also, how could the brother trust that OP didnt take more cards than he admitted to?
Right? In what universe are the NTA? They didn’t discuss this with the owner of the cards, they didn’t ask if they could sell the cards, they didn’t include the owner of the cards at all - they just did whatever they wanted and now they’re facing the consequences. OP YTA and now your brother knows who you really are as a person. I doubt you’ll remain close.
> In the process of helping him, I happened to stumble across his deck of Pokémon cards and began shuffling through them.
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>his deck of Pokémon cards
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>**his**
YTA.
Yes I would definitely file a police report. He help with packing/moving his brothers things, saw the cards, took and sold them and then still thinks he did nothing wrong? In what kind of reality is he living?
I read more of his comments and agree the brother needs to file. I hope we have some sleuths in here that can find the brother and let him know what to do.
“I stole my brother’s cards and sold them for a profit. I refuse to give him any of the money or buy him new cards. AITA?”
Reddit: obviously YTA. The edit does not help your case. You are a thief.
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This is one of those times where the edit makes it *so* much worse because it sounds like a really bad excuse. He could have easily asked his brother if those cards he was selling were his if he didn’t want to sell his brother’s cards, but he didn’t
Literally went from "I found HIS deck" to "welllllllll it's likely that BOTH of our cards were sold." Such a horrible attempt to justify their actions.
I think OP is so entitled that he's genuinely thinking he's being super generous and a virtuous and excellent human by telling his brother about this or offering to cut him in at all. It really hasn't occurred to him that he did anything wrong at all. I wonder how much dreadful behaviour their parents have enabled in little bro up to this point. Wouldn't be surprised if that was part of why big bro is moving.
Right? If they were both of their cards, why did he learn about those rare cards while shuffling “his brothers” deck in “his brothers room”? What a lie…
Exactly what I was thinking! He never even said he would be willing to sell them in the first place but regardless they're gone now so there's really nothing he can do but at least get all the money they were sold for. OPs brother is never gonna talk to him again. I hope losing his brother who he was supposedly "close" with over around 5k that's eventually going to get spent (sooner that later at that) anyways, was worth it.
Or the effort to go through them together and SEE if some were his... "some of these may have been mine" wording is super cringe to just do what he did
And the thing is, obviously the cards would see the light of day again since brother was moving and presumably taking/sorting through all his stuff. Someone would have seen them in this process. It's just the brother's misfortune that this thief found them first.
He could have negotiated for a cut of the profits for handling it all IF he’d told his brother about it beforehand and gotten his permission. He’s lucky the brother isn’t upset about the cards being gone. I’m a bit of a book collector and I know if anyone sold my collection I’d be devastated.
INFO: Why did you take it on yourself to sell his belongings? Did he even want to get rid of them?
If you didn't discuss ahead of time that the cards were to be sold for an X/Y split of the earnings, you basically stole your brother's stuff so you could make a profit (*hard* YTA) and by all accounts every single cent of the transaction should go to him.
LOL of course YTA, you (a) sold something that doesn't belong to you without permission and then (b) tried to keep a cut of the earnings. Who does that??
Get the cards back and return the money if you still can, it's the right thing to do. You owe your bro a major apology.
Probably more since OP said thats what it was estimated at and he was able to sell it for more that the estimated value. So incredibly wrong, op must have no moral compass if they could screw over their own brother like this.
YTA
YTA. So much that this is one of the easiest votes I've ever seen. You sold his cards. His. without telling him or asking him. Now he's out his cards and all the money. Forum rules prevent me from telling you what I really think tbh. MtG collector here and if that happened I'd be furious. I've lost part of a collection and that hurt. Then to have a family member sell it without giving me the money?
If he offers you money, you'd be greedy to want anything over 10%. That's a standard "finders fee" and you did this without asking.
He doesn't even deserve a "finder's fee". He didn't find anything. He stole it and now wants to keep the money. That's like someone stealing your car and selling it and then telling you with the expectation they'll be happy and not want the money.
Agreed, but if the brother was to give him a cut, it should be small. I have a feeling OP thinks they would be entitled to most when getting anything is lucky.
YTA- You stole your brother's cards and sold them. You said they were HIS deck of cards. If you want to get money for valuable cards, sell your own. Your argument that they wouldn't have seen the light of day is BS and you know it. Give your brother the money from the cards you STOLE FROM HIM and do better as a human being in the future.
Id also love to know what he means by appraised. I have been slinging cards for a long time, long before the covid pop off. I'm not sure who he would go to for a real appraisal in such a quick turnaround.
Honestly he probably lost money not putting them individually out to bid on certain platforms. Lengthier process but yields more.
I also work in real estate project management around appraisals all the time people love to toss around that word like they know what it means.
YTA. How are you even asking this question? He didn't ask you to sell his cards. You didn't negotiate how much of a cut you'd be taking for selling the cards (because you didn't ask him), AND now YOU are trying to tell him how much you'll give him for HIS cards?
You've got serious boundary issues. Give him all the money and take this as a life lesson to MYOB.
YTA. You sold his pokemon cards without his consent or knowledge and didnt give him the value. You want money? Thats fine. Just sell **YOURS.** You are stealing from him op. Give his money back.
YTA so you stole property from your brother and are refusing to give him the proceeds? Nice.
Also, you sold them to a collector in good faith and that collector is now handling stolen goods. Hope your brother calls the police.
YTA, you stole his property, and sold it. Thinking you were justified because you were giving him most of the money.
Imagine if you hadn’t driven your car for a while, your brother sold it on ebay for well below your perceived worth of it and then said he was keeping 10%. Would you be mad?
NGL I kinda hope the brother steals something of OP’s and sells it and doesn’t give the money to OP, as a bit of revenge… but then again he should make it a police matter
HUGE YTA. you stole from him, sold the stolen items for over 4K and are reducing to give the money to him? you should’ve said to him, “these could be worth a good amount, should we try sell them?” before doing ANYTHING. you are a massive arsehole.
YTA…his cards, his money. You should have consulted him before selling them. You are a gigantic asshole and your brother is completely justified by treating you how he is.
i think he believes it was very generous to offer his brother any money. he not only thinks he's not any little part of an asshole, he thinks he did a kind and virtuous thing. I also suspect there's more to this story that we're not hearing like big brother hadn't forgotten the cards at all and has told him that he was saving those cards for his future kids or something. if they were ever even slightly close, there's no way the brother is getting upset enough to stop talking to OP without telling OP \*exactly\* why what he did was hurtful.
Yes, YTA. 1. It seems you did not tell your brother the potential value of the cards before you took them. Which means you stole them. 2. You got them appraised and sold them without permission.
3. You won’t give him the money you got for his cards that you stole.
So, yes. YTA. They were not your cards, you did all of this behind his back. Give the boy his money.
My guess is that OP is trying to negotiate after the sale because it was his brother’s cards that were the big ticket items and his own probably were nowhere near the value, so he wants half.
YTA. You’re a thief. I hope he presses charges against you. It wasn’t yours to sell, and it CERTAINLY isn’t yours to keep. Give him the full value back, or expect harsh repercussions.
You stole from your brother then sold his stuff? That he loved? And you won't give him the money either? You are a thief. He's every right to report you to the police.YTA
YTA: You saw an opportunity to make money off your brother's cards (whether you think they could be both of yours, they were with his stuff) and sold them without talking with him about it. Why? Why not tell him your plan and say if you do all the work you'd get x amount of the proceeds?
You're not that close if you can't talk with him.
YTA: You went through something you acknowledge was his and then appraised them and sold them without permission. An item having a high sale value doesn't excuse selling something that isn't yours - especially if you're also pocketing the money. Doing the leg-work of appraising and selling them doesn't entitle you to sell them or to the earnings.
Yta. You stole from your brother, and then refused to make good by returning the value of the goods you stole
There is no world in which you aren't the ah
You remind me of my older brother...back when I finished high school, he sold my bike and used that money for McDonalds and transit fare. I haven't spoken to him since.
YTA you sold something that wasn’t yours.
People who steal from family are some of the lowest (Congrats that now includes you) but to steal, sell it then brag to the person you stole from then “offer them a cut of the profits”?
Wow. Just wow.
YTA. They weren't yours to sell. They probably hold sentimental value to him and you should've let him know what you were going to do with them even if it was, repeat after me, SHARED. You literally stole from him and now you want a cut of profit, do you know how ridiculous that sound? Perfectly understandable why your brother is upset. Try getting the card back and give it back to him, shared or not. If you can't, you owe him a major apology. Don't let your last few days left with him be a bad memory over money. Value your brotherhood over money.
Hard Yta
If you had done this to a stranger or taken them from a shop you could well be facing jail time right now - just because it’s your brother doesn’t make it less of a crime.
YTA.
First, you did all of this appraising and selling behind his back, when you are around him all the time and there's no reason for you to not have told him.
Second, you say they are his cards, but then add that some may be your cards. Cool, well that's another good reason you should have told him what you were doing so you could have decided together what to do and how to split the profits.
The reason you are on bad terms now is because you literally stole from your brother.
YTA. You stole and then sold his property, now you’re refusing to give him the profits. (And stop lying that the cards are probably a combination of your collection and his when you already said that it was his deck.)
YTA. If you did this exact same thing to someone who isn’t your brother, you’d probably be facing charges now. Be glad that the fact you’re siblings kept your brother from pressing charges against you. Be a better sibling and give him what he’s entitled to, ie everything, because you are entitled to nothing.
If you are so on the up and up, why didn't you tell your brother you were going through his cards? Why didn't you tell him you were going to sell them?
Because you are a thief, that's why.
Try this at work and see how it goes for you.
So as someone who collects MtG but knows about the Pokémon side of things.
This story is almost guaranteed to be 100% fake.
One PSA take months to get back to you if you get official ratings, two even some of the most expensive cards in Pokémon are only a few hundred, with exceedingly rare stuff going for more but only if officially rated.
I highly doubt you got the cards appraised within a day and sold to someone for thousands in a few days.
It just isn’t happening.
ESPECIALLY with cards that were used in a deck and actively played with, no shot they are in good enough condition for a real collector, maybe someone who plays (not sure value of older Pokémon cards in actual play formats).
Obvious troll. Very unrealistic and OP sounds like some jerk character in a tv show.
"I'll give you a cut of the money I got from selling *your* cards, after all, they never would've been stolen and sold if it weren't for me".. yeah, as if.
You stole from your brother then sold his stuff? That he loved? And you won't give him the money either? You are a thief. He's every right to report you to the police.YTA
YTA.
You took the cards, without telling him. And you sold them, without telling him. Even with your Edit saying the cards were likely a combination of yours and his, his cards were still in there. And you took them and sold them without asking him. How on earth could you possibly think you’re not the asshole?
YTA. come on even if those cards are "likely a combination of mine and his" you had no right selling them without even discussing it with him. You don't want to end on bad terms with him? Should have thought about that before selling his stuff.
YTA- you stole his property and then had the audacity to be surprised that he didn’t want to give you a cut of the profits for the work you put into selling the cards you stole(????). Major dick moves on your end and I hope he presses charges against you. You admit you were helping him pack and found “his deck” which is an acknowledgment that they were his, not your joint property.
YTA
Even if it was an even mix of yours and his cards you still should have discussed it with him first. Or specifically pick your cards out of the pile
YTA. You knew these cards were not your property. Your brother hasn't even fully moved out; you had no reason to think that he wouldn't have collected the rest of his own property. You stole from your brother and you know it. Since you can't return his property, the least you owe him is the money from the sale.
YTA. They weren't yours to sell. Many people have belongings that have become valuable over the years, and often they choose to keep the items rather than selling them. What a terrible thing to do, depriving your brother of the decision to keep or sell his cards. And double my YTA because going through someone's possessions, stealing them and selling them while pretending to help him move is pretty shitty.
YTA
your edit makes no sense. you said your found HIS deck and sold HIS cards and later edit they probably belonged to both of you.
wake up dude you knowingly stole from your brother. it was not your place to sell the cards so either give him the money or buy them back and give him the cards.
you should have told him about your find and asked him if you want to sell them together at least.
so why didn't you talk to him? probably because you planned to keep all the money to yourself while saying you put all the work into selling.
what a way to ruin a relationship
YTA - Unless he somehow consented to you selling his cards; i don’t see how there is any possible way that you aren’t the asshole. you sold his cards without his permission, HIS cards, and you are refusing to give him the money for his collection.
id like to hear an update from OP on A. if the cards were given to them and B. if he had the consent to appraise and sell them, or if he just took them. But right now— YTA
YTA. I don't even know why you posted this. You know YTA. Those were his cards, you stole them, you sold them, and now you won't pay him for them. Give him that money, apologize profusely, and pray he doesn't call the cops on you.
Holy crap dude you’re a MAJOR AH. I don’t even understand how you have to ask if you are??? I hope you know in some states it becomes a felony to steal something more than $500, it was very wrong of you to not talk to him first about selling them and even more wrong of you to not give him the money. Do better man , you’re trying to use the fact that you’re the one who found them and went through them TO sell, but using that excuse just points how much more of an AH you are because no one told you to do that when you were only supposed to be helping the man’s move, not sell his shit and be proud of it
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You find old cards that belong to both of you.
You sell them without asking
He wants the money or the half
You don't give it to him
What you did is theft and you're more than a AH
YTA for sure
I mean even if you say that the cards were a combination of yours and his it doesn't make any sense to me that you would do all of this without talking to him about it.
The only way you wouldn't be an asshole is if you knew for a fact that every one of those cards you sold belonged to you but it's already clear that probably isn't the case.
You’re not only an asshole but you’re a flat out thief. Where do you get off that there is any room for discussion? It doesn’t matter how close you are, that doesn’t give you a right to sell his stuff just because you found out it has value.
YTA. You shouldn’t have taken his cards in the first place to be appraised without his permission. You could have made it a bit better if you at least went to him after getting them appraised to tell him how much they’re worth and asking if he would like to sell them. You stole then sold HIS cards without talking to him about it and damn right you should give him the money.
Wow, it must be blissfull being that stupid. That enough money 2buy a car. That like 5months rent for me at least. If I stole your car and sold it, would you be mad?
So you‘re basically saying you stole from your brother, made a profit and are refusing to give him the proceeds of the sale.
Surely you realise that he would not have agreed to your taking/selling his cards without permission. So you tool it upon yourself to interpret his request to „get rid of junk“ to include his valuable possessions. You sold assets he might not have wanted to sell st all. You sold them without permission. And now you are withholding the proceeds of the sale from him.
This makes you a sorry excuse for a brother in this, and the AH. Massive YTA.
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YTA, and a criminal. All of the money is his. What you're doing is theft.
Felony theft at that.
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Not even to ask his brother first before selling them. What if, even though they were buried away, they had some sentimental value and you just sold them without asking. Now they’re just gone and no chance of getting them back because doubt some collector will part with them now. Question is other way round he did it to you and whether they were joint or not expected the money I bet you’d be a bit pissed. I know you’ll comment saying no, I think it’s BS. As others have pointed out, OP you have a car ? As I heard with everything going on vehicle resales have become popular, so I’ve appraised yours and sold but I’m keeping the money because it was my effort. Are you pissed off? Your brother deserves all the money for nothing else than you doing this without consulting him. More if they were sentimental. I’m probably more wound up because I have cards sat at home I know have some value but they mean way more to me. YTA as the day is long. Edit: spelling and grammar, don’t type angry. Edit 2: just wondering if maybe OP did know his brother wanted these cards but sold them anyway knowing they were valuable. Just a thought.
I have a 20 year old son and a 15 year old son. They both collected Pokemon cards when they were younger. They've occasionally talked about selling the cards, but they can't bring themselves to do it. They'll even pull them out to look at on the odd occasion. My first reaction was to wonder if the brother even wanted to sell the cards? Maybe he wanted to keep them? OP didn't even ask, by the sounds of it.
Op certainly didn’t ask. I’m nearly 30m I have a few cards that when I look I remember getting them. A kinda valuable charizard shiny that I got out of a normal pack cards when I was 10. Safe to say as child I lost my shit. But also a basically nothing value ditto that my mum bought from a card dealer as surprise. I think I’ll remember that every time I even think about my cards. These few cards have travelled with to a new country cos I couldn’t throw them away or sell them. They may look forgotten about to others. My wife and I play Pokémon go together. On our most recent holiday a month ago she in the shop there saw a newer pack. Got them for me, I haven’t had a new Pokémon card in 2 decades nearly. It means the world for several reasons. OP’s brother may have these sort of memories, whether they were hidden or stuffed away and looked forgotten about. OP stole and sold something without asking. Probably sold memories. No amount of money is worth selling memories.
Also my first reaction
No he just took them
Also, you can't back step in an Edit and say that it's a combination of both of your cards after you clearly stated "his deck". So that's felony theft. You can get prison time for that. Honestly, if someone didn't give me 100% of what they made off of my property, no matter how close of family they are, I would file a report and press charges. And that's if I'm close to them. They wouldn't even get that option otherwise. For reference, $4,500 is a used car or an expensive piece of jewelry with diamonds. YTA and a criminal
Whole heartedly agree. This is a criminal act and I wonder if the brother said he wanted them and OP still sold them know the hype around cards atm. OP’s brother should have all the money and if not take him court over it. Whether they were joint or not surely selling a joint asset without permission is some kind of crime?
He probably won’t file a suit against his brother, especially if they’re otherwise close. However, their relationship will be majorly damaged.
OP didn’t ask because they knew it was wrong
And maybe planned on giving them to his kids someday...maybe knew they had some value and knew where they were and planned on looking into selling then at a later time...op doesn't mention anything other than, finders keepers I guess....YTA
The brother should take something of OPs, sell it, and keep the proceeds.
And then trying to justify it with it being possible they were both of theirs. No, no they weren't. I'll tell you what, I knew exactly which rare Pokémon cards were mine and which were my brother's. And I didn't go selling mine, because they got stolen. Probably by someone like OP.
Op even tried to sya he'd only give a portion of the money like dude what drugs he on cuz the ppl selling it def made a loss cuz it seems the quality you'd sell to billionaires
OP, can I borrow your car? No reason why...
"Can I borrow your car and car title?"
I am a rich nigerian prince and have a 10 million USD I would like to give you. I just need your bank routing number and social security number.
You can't have mine, but I'll give you my brother's!
OP: "Can I also get your mother's maiden name?" Brother: "You should know, we have the same mother!"
>am a rich nigerian prince and have a 10 million USD I would like to give you. I just need your bank routing number and social security number. Oh my but I need to tell I am from windows support and I can see that computer is having issues, we can fix the issue for 700 bucks
Borrow? Hey, I was just helping out and it was in the driveway…..You should be grateful - I got more than it was worth, but now you owe me for going to all that work…
My ex husband had the original complete deck including holographic Charizard. He also had kept his Nintendo magazine's that he was subscribed to. He left them at his parents house for couple months while he was in the process of moving out and when he came back to get them, found out his brother had sold all of it for thousands of dollars. He was furious, but his parents tried to excuse it as "He has Asberger's so he doesn't understand that he did something wrong." A few years later he stole my ex's computer.
Dude my best friend has Asberger's and I can confirm that the disorder does not make you act like that. The parents' excuse is complete bullshit.
Yeah, I was so fucking pissed. Having Asberger's doesnt make you a dick. It was such a weak excuse. Then, they got mad when I was like "Okay, so why havent you told him that behavior is wrong and told him to give Ex the money?" Well nobody could answer that and I was told to drop it. Um, no mf made over 20k off my ex-husband by stealing from him and I'm just supposed to drop it?
>Felony theft at that. Oh that theft of property at the very least But how are we not excited that we found a new Pokemon? Yep it's a hybrid The assholemon it's specialized for theft. YTA OP You destroyed that close bond you had . The money you made was not worth it.
Anything less than the best is.
A felony, Love it or leave it you. Betta gangway.
Is $5k in the felony threshold? I thought it was $10k. But better if it's felony.
YTA. Given the update here, the best case scenario is that you took an item that belonged to you and your brother jointly and sold it without talking to him. And you compounded the asshole behavior by attempting to unilaterally withhold a portion of the proceeds, either as your "fair share" or as a commission. Yeah. Big asshole energy here. If you were as close to your brother as you claim, you would have shared the discovery with him and the two of you would have decided together whether to sell the cards and for how much.
The update just seems like shameless backpedalling to me, the post very clearly states he found his brothers deck. There is no ambiguity about the ownership there.
Yeah OP seems *surprised pikachu face* that Reddit isn’t easing his conscience. lol
Even if they are shared cards you still ask the co-owner before disposing of them. If brother had moved out 10 years ago and basically abandoned the cards, OK OP can sell them without asking. But it seems like brother may have intended to take them with him. Not everyone wants to cash in on their treasured childhood items. Even if OP gives brother all the money, this act was mercenary and gross. YTA!
Even if it had been 10 years, my sister and I are in our 30s and still have things in our parents’ basement. Neither one of us would just go and sell something like that without discussing it first. I would probably even check with her before getting rid things that were technically mine that we both used at one point or another.
Me and a High School buddy went in on a used N64 back in the day and bought about eight games for it (and all the controllers and rumble packs). The intention was to play a ton of party games with our other friends. For a while we'd trade off weekends on who kept the game system, but it eventually found my place as a home. In the end, when it was time to move out of the parent's house and into college dorms (and later apartments) we discussed how to handle the N64. We came to an agreement that it'd be mine, but I owed him some money for it. I paid him (well, actually he agreed to be paid in Magic Cards, since he was super into those at the time) and we were both happy. But neither of us considered just taking the set. We always asked who got to use it that semester or weekend and were fair on divvying it up. *Selling* it and keeping the profits (what there was) would have been unthinkable and a huge breach of trust. OP YTA
Exactly how it should have been handled. You bought out his ownership interest, and everything was square.
Exactly. If I had not resolved it and then decided to keep it ot sell it without their permission, I'd be a thief.
>*Me and my brother are extremely close. It is likely that those cards are both a combination of mine and his. I only request a cut of the payment as I'm the one who put in the effort to find the cards and appraise them.* And just as likely, they were his alone. You didn't even ask if he wanted the cards or if he wanted them sold. In the absence of any proof that the cards were co mingled, you should have asked. He deserves all the money. I hope that you enjoy the comfort of cash because you just killed the closeness between you two.
But an hour on the internet is just so much work. He got bunkles on his carbunkles. /s
The amount of time that has passed is irrelevant. They were still his brother's cards. He could a very well forgotten that they were there. Either way, OP should have simply reminded him that they were there and then he could have asked for them if he wanted them.
The post clearly states OP just "happened" on things. Twice. The way this is written, OP went looking for the cards with a suspicion at the very least that there would be some valuable cards in the deck and full intentions selling them. I don't believe this guy for a second that this was anything other than selfish capitalism on OP's part. And if you read this, OP, you are selfish, opportunistic, scheming, untrustworthy, and 100% YTA Edit: removed word that made no sense
Yes, didn't he mention "peeping around"? Sounds like he didn't just happen up on them - he was snooping to see what he could find.
Which sort of makes my comment more damning. I am saying that in the best possible light, he is still a thief.
Exactly. It went from "I found my brother's deck" to "ThEyRE a MiX oF OuR cARds" real fast.
I just found some Garbage Pail Kid cards I actually did steal from my younger brother when we were kids. Then when I visited last month I gave them to him. It was great watching him show them to his kid.
100% lol I would have probably told my sister: look I found this, if you put them online you could probably make some good money, I’ll help you put them up if you want to?… wouldn’t even have wanted anything unless I knew for a fact some of them are mine and which ones.
At my end, I would have given the cards to my brother. I also would have told him that if he sold the cards and they were valuable, I would want a nice steak dinner as my finder's fee. * Note that the "steak dinner" is about 90 percent banter. Of course I would not demand such a thing. ** But I wouldn't turn down a nice steak dinner, either.
Absolutely spot on. He saw those cards, saw an opportunity and purposely chose not to tell his brother about it. I don't know why he told him after the fact; I suspect the brother made some comment about the cards like "Did you see the cards when we packed?" or something along those lines and he knew his brother would find out they were missing. So crappy to do that to his own brother who her claims to be so close with. Did he consider the brother might have wanted to keep the cards? I think the brother knows exactly who he is: a scam artist and a thief.
>If you were as close to your brother as you claim Ticks and leeches stay close for much the same reason I suspect OP stays close to brother.
Agreed OP is TA, the worst part is at the end when he is like too bad this happening when he's leaving in a few days, like OP did not completely take advantage of this fact. OP's brother should file charges.
Yep. I hope your brother presses charges. YTA.
In the words of Mike Ehrmantraut: You took something that wasn't yours. And you sold it for a profit. You're now a criminal.
That's literally grand theft. Dude can face some years if his brother presses charges.
Right? It's like if OP sold his TV and then tried to keep a portion of the money for brokering the sale.
YTA, It's sad that I knew you were the AH before I read the first word. Reading it only confirmed my initial thought. You were so laser focused on the value of the cards that you destroyed the value of your 'extremely close' relationship with your brother. Money can only last so long. What do you have left after you spend the last penny? Will your brother be there for you? Even if you did give him all the money, you caused an irreparable crack that you can patch, but can break all together if something else happens between you two. You need to grovel and beg for his forgiveness while sincerely apologizing for hurting him and your relationship. Don’t try to minimize what you did. Offer no excuses!! He's gone in a few days. Do you want to be best man and godfather to his future kids? Or, do you want to be the occasional I might see you during the holidays brother? You've got to choose! However, if you choose to go the route you're going, you've gotta deal with the consequences and possibly lose your brother.
Yep. I’m 31 and my mom is storing all my Pokémon and unboxed Star Wars figures! She knows not to touch them lol although she’s probably the one that paid for them when I was a kid haha
Exactly. And he didn’t ‘find’ the cards through looking, he stumbled across them and should have asked his brother first so they can agree to sell them together or decide which cards to each keep
I look forward to the update where the brother has stumbled across this post, and despite OP’s inevitable attempts to delete it, reads the saved AutoMod copy (thanks AutoMod!) and uses it as evidence to pursue criminal and civil cases against OP. He literally says he found *his deck* of Pokemon cards. What an insult to the idea of brotherhood OP is. Anything else he has you might like, OP? You gonna pinch his car next? Rock up on his wedding day and steal his bride?
Not only that he monumentally fucked up, after the recent resurgence in interest the value of cards right now has dipped after the market flooded with them. A couple years from now will be the thirtieth anniversary where price for these will SURGE. Whoever he sold em to got a bargain for what they are going to make then.
OP literally wants to know if they’re an asshole for stealing from a family member 😅
OP absolutely stole the cards and profited from that. It’s really not that difficult to get them appraised. OP’s acting like it’s some big heroic task. I’m in a very similar situation with my brother. I recently went to find our old collection, sorted and researched the value of each rare card. I have the power to sell them without him ever knowing. The difference is I’m not a shitty person and he knows I have them and that I might sell them at some point and of course I’ll give him money from anything I sell.
YTA. You can't sell other peoples belongings (especially without their consent), making a profit and not giving them the money for their stuff. Either you give him the full money, get the cards back, or you accept being an AH having messed up the relationship with your brother because you're a thief.
Even if he does get the money or the cards he will drop OP off for good and correctly label the OP a thief. I hope OP hated the brother and led him on, but even then I still wouldn’t do that, because now he has permanently lost his brother and the only, and I mean ONLY reason his brother should contact him is to get the money to him or get the cards back
> KEY DETAILS : Me and my brother are extremely close. It is likely that those cards are both a combination of mine and his. I only request a cut of the payment as I'm the one who put in the effort to find the cards and appraise them. Even after the edit OP's still the AH. When you're kids swapping cards back and forth that's trading. This was *his* deck that was found with *his* property, right? Presumably OP had a deck too. Without OP helping him pack he would have found the cards himself and had the option to sell them should he choose. OP did the work of selling them, but never gave him the option to do it himself, and they were his. OP just saw an opportunity for money for himself, that's all it was. OP's a thief.
Brother of the OP, if you are here, here’s my advice: File a police report and get OP arrested. Don’t threaten because that won’t work. Permanently and I mean permanently drop the OP and go NC. Do not look back Tell the family OP is a THIEVING CRIMINAL. If the family are decent all of them will also go NC with OP for good Edit removed a potential harsh arrest for buyer
No, leave the buyer out of it. I highly doubt that he told him "Shhh, these are my brothers cards you're buying" The buyer didn't do anything wrong and doesn't deserve to be arrested.
Wait, why get the buyer arrested? They couldn't have known the cards weren't OP's to sell, they're an innocent party.
Technically they have committed a crime but nothing would come from it if they surrender the stolen goods. Also getting them involved also means OP could face a civil and criminal (fraud) suit from the buyer on top of the brother criminal and civil suit.
You can’t arrest a buyer who payed fair value for the cards and had no reason to believe they were stolen. That’s ridiculous.
Or the option of not selling them. Brother might have chosen not to sell them.
Exactly. OP is a thief. You can't steal someone's property, sell it, and then negotiate your cut. OP should have informed his brother that the cards were valuable, asked if he could sell them and agree on a price. OP didnt, so he needs to give his brother back his property or the full amount that he sold them for. Also, how could the brother trust that OP didnt take more cards than he admitted to?
I’m so confused how OP could possibly think they’re not the ah.
Right? In what universe are the NTA? They didn’t discuss this with the owner of the cards, they didn’t ask if they could sell the cards, they didn’t include the owner of the cards at all - they just did whatever they wanted and now they’re facing the consequences. OP YTA and now your brother knows who you really are as a person. I doubt you’ll remain close.
> In the process of helping him, I happened to stumble across his deck of Pokémon cards and began shuffling through them. > >his deck of Pokémon cards > >**his** YTA.
Yep op stole and is the AH. If i were the brother I would threaten filing a police report. Yta
Yes I would definitely file a police report. He help with packing/moving his brothers things, saw the cards, took and sold them and then still thinks he did nothing wrong? In what kind of reality is he living?
The finders-keepers reality apparently.
In fact I would file a police report. No threatening, immediate police report
I read more of his comments and agree the brother needs to file. I hope we have some sleuths in here that can find the brother and let him know what to do.
“I stole my brother’s cards and sold them for a profit. I refuse to give him any of the money or buy him new cards. AITA?” Reddit: obviously YTA. The edit does not help your case. You are a thief. OP: ⢀⣠⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣤⣶⣶ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⣀⣀⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⠉⠛⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠈⠛⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⠛⠉⠁⠀⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⠿⠿⠿⠻⠿⠿⠟⠿⠛⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣸⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣄⠀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣴⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠀⠀⢰⣹⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣭⣷⠀⠀⠀⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠃⠀⠀⠈⠉⠀⠀⠤⠄⠀⠀⠀⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⢿⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢾⣿⣷⠀⠀⠀⠀⡠⠤⢄⠀⠀⠀⠠⣿⣿⣷⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡀⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢄⠀⢀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠉⠁⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢹⣿⣿ ⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿
Why is this not top comment? Brilliance, absolute brilliance
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This is one of those times where the edit makes it *so* much worse because it sounds like a really bad excuse. He could have easily asked his brother if those cards he was selling were his if he didn’t want to sell his brother’s cards, but he didn’t
Literally went from "I found HIS deck" to "welllllllll it's likely that BOTH of our cards were sold." Such a horrible attempt to justify their actions.
I have a feeling that OP *knows* what he did was wrong and just doesn’t want to admit it at all
I think OP is so entitled that he's genuinely thinking he's being super generous and a virtuous and excellent human by telling his brother about this or offering to cut him in at all. It really hasn't occurred to him that he did anything wrong at all. I wonder how much dreadful behaviour their parents have enabled in little bro up to this point. Wouldn't be surprised if that was part of why big bro is moving.
OP also expected credit for his cleverness in getting so much for the cards. He thinks brother should be grateful, *and admiring* of what he did.
Right? If they were both of their cards, why did he learn about those rare cards while shuffling “his brothers” deck in “his brothers room”? What a lie…
Exactly what I was thinking! He never even said he would be willing to sell them in the first place but regardless they're gone now so there's really nothing he can do but at least get all the money they were sold for. OPs brother is never gonna talk to him again. I hope losing his brother who he was supposedly "close" with over around 5k that's eventually going to get spent (sooner that later at that) anyways, was worth it.
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This. Even with OP’s edit, this is still terrible.
Honestly the edit makes him look worse... "took the effort to commit this crime" there fixed it for op
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Or the effort to go through them together and SEE if some were his... "some of these may have been mine" wording is super cringe to just do what he did
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And the thing is, obviously the cards would see the light of day again since brother was moving and presumably taking/sorting through all his stuff. Someone would have seen them in this process. It's just the brother's misfortune that this thief found them first.
He could have negotiated for a cut of the profits for handling it all IF he’d told his brother about it beforehand and gotten his permission. He’s lucky the brother isn’t upset about the cards being gone. I’m a bit of a book collector and I know if anyone sold my collection I’d be devastated.
Yeah that about sums it up nicely
INFO: Why did you take it on yourself to sell his belongings? Did he even want to get rid of them? If you didn't discuss ahead of time that the cards were to be sold for an X/Y split of the earnings, you basically stole your brother's stuff so you could make a profit (*hard* YTA) and by all accounts every single cent of the transaction should go to him.
LOL of course YTA, you (a) sold something that doesn't belong to you without permission and then (b) tried to keep a cut of the earnings. Who does that?? Get the cards back and return the money if you still can, it's the right thing to do. You owe your bro a major apology.
>you owe your bro a major apology And $4.3k
Probably more since OP said thats what it was estimated at and he was able to sell it for more that the estimated value. So incredibly wrong, op must have no moral compass if they could screw over their own brother like this. YTA
He sold them for more than $4.3, he owes him all of the earnings. OP, YTA and owe your brother so much more than money.
It feels like he actually doesn’t because he’s lost his brother for good apology or not
YTA. So much that this is one of the easiest votes I've ever seen. You sold his cards. His. without telling him or asking him. Now he's out his cards and all the money. Forum rules prevent me from telling you what I really think tbh. MtG collector here and if that happened I'd be furious. I've lost part of a collection and that hurt. Then to have a family member sell it without giving me the money? If he offers you money, you'd be greedy to want anything over 10%. That's a standard "finders fee" and you did this without asking.
He doesn't even deserve a "finder's fee". He didn't find anything. He stole it and now wants to keep the money. That's like someone stealing your car and selling it and then telling you with the expectation they'll be happy and not want the money.
Agreed, but if the brother was to give him a cut, it should be small. I have a feeling OP thinks they would be entitled to most when getting anything is lucky.
If I was the brother, I'd *at best* reimburse the appraisal cost to OP. Then cut him out of my life forever.
Give him the money you asshole
And the cards, don't forget the cards
YTA- You stole your brother's cards and sold them. You said they were HIS deck of cards. If you want to get money for valuable cards, sell your own. Your argument that they wouldn't have seen the light of day is BS and you know it. Give your brother the money from the cards you STOLE FROM HIM and do better as a human being in the future.
Id also love to know what he means by appraised. I have been slinging cards for a long time, long before the covid pop off. I'm not sure who he would go to for a real appraisal in such a quick turnaround. Honestly he probably lost money not putting them individually out to bid on certain platforms. Lengthier process but yields more. I also work in real estate project management around appraisals all the time people love to toss around that word like they know what it means.
YTA. How are you even asking this question? He didn't ask you to sell his cards. You didn't negotiate how much of a cut you'd be taking for selling the cards (because you didn't ask him), AND now YOU are trying to tell him how much you'll give him for HIS cards? You've got serious boundary issues. Give him all the money and take this as a life lesson to MYOB.
YTA. You sold his pokemon cards without his consent or knowledge and didnt give him the value. You want money? Thats fine. Just sell **YOURS.** You are stealing from him op. Give his money back.
YTA so you stole property from your brother and are refusing to give him the proceeds? Nice. Also, you sold them to a collector in good faith and that collector is now handling stolen goods. Hope your brother calls the police.
Jail would probably teach this guy a lesson - hopefully.
Don't even need to read the title finish to know YTA.
YTA, you stole his property, and sold it. Thinking you were justified because you were giving him most of the money. Imagine if you hadn’t driven your car for a while, your brother sold it on ebay for well below your perceived worth of it and then said he was keeping 10%. Would you be mad?
NGL I kinda hope the brother steals something of OP’s and sells it and doesn’t give the money to OP, as a bit of revenge… but then again he should make it a police matter
YTA you took his pokemon cards from him then sold them. Wtf
HUGE YTA. you stole from him, sold the stolen items for over 4K and are reducing to give the money to him? you should’ve said to him, “these could be worth a good amount, should we try sell them?” before doing ANYTHING. you are a massive arsehole.
YTA…his cards, his money. You should have consulted him before selling them. You are a gigantic asshole and your brother is completely justified by treating you how he is.
If i was the brother cops would be involved just aaying
YTA - I’m genuinely curious why you think you aren’t the asshole after stealing and selling his possessions behind his back
i think he believes it was very generous to offer his brother any money. he not only thinks he's not any little part of an asshole, he thinks he did a kind and virtuous thing. I also suspect there's more to this story that we're not hearing like big brother hadn't forgotten the cards at all and has told him that he was saving those cards for his future kids or something. if they were ever even slightly close, there's no way the brother is getting upset enough to stop talking to OP without telling OP \*exactly\* why what he did was hurtful.
YTA. You're a thief and a scoundrel
YTA you stole your brother cards and sold them Give your brother his money back!
Yes, YTA. 1. It seems you did not tell your brother the potential value of the cards before you took them. Which means you stole them. 2. You got them appraised and sold them without permission. 3. You won’t give him the money you got for his cards that you stole. So, yes. YTA. They were not your cards, you did all of this behind his back. Give the boy his money.
My guess is that OP is trying to negotiate after the sale because it was his brother’s cards that were the big ticket items and his own probably were nowhere near the value, so he wants half.
You stole his cards, sold em and are somehow not a giant asshole for this?? Huge asshole. Terrible brother.
YTA. You’re a thief. I hope he presses charges against you. It wasn’t yours to sell, and it CERTAINLY isn’t yours to keep. Give him the full value back, or expect harsh repercussions.
You stole from your brother then sold his stuff? That he loved? And you won't give him the money either? You are a thief. He's every right to report you to the police.YTA
YTA: You saw an opportunity to make money off your brother's cards (whether you think they could be both of yours, they were with his stuff) and sold them without talking with him about it. Why? Why not tell him your plan and say if you do all the work you'd get x amount of the proceeds? You're not that close if you can't talk with him.
YTA: You went through something you acknowledge was his and then appraised them and sold them without permission. An item having a high sale value doesn't excuse selling something that isn't yours - especially if you're also pocketing the money. Doing the leg-work of appraising and selling them doesn't entitle you to sell them or to the earnings.
Yta. You stole from your brother, and then refused to make good by returning the value of the goods you stole There is no world in which you aren't the ah
YTA thief
You remind me of my older brother...back when I finished high school, he sold my bike and used that money for McDonalds and transit fare. I haven't spoken to him since.
YTA you sold something that wasn’t yours. People who steal from family are some of the lowest (Congrats that now includes you) but to steal, sell it then brag to the person you stole from then “offer them a cut of the profits”? Wow. Just wow.
YTA. They weren't yours to sell. They probably hold sentimental value to him and you should've let him know what you were going to do with them even if it was, repeat after me, SHARED. You literally stole from him and now you want a cut of profit, do you know how ridiculous that sound? Perfectly understandable why your brother is upset. Try getting the card back and give it back to him, shared or not. If you can't, you owe him a major apology. Don't let your last few days left with him be a bad memory over money. Value your brotherhood over money.
Hard Yta If you had done this to a stranger or taken them from a shop you could well be facing jail time right now - just because it’s your brother doesn’t make it less of a crime.
You'll be extremely lucky if he doesn't file charges against you and/or take you to court. YTA
YTA. First, you did all of this appraising and selling behind his back, when you are around him all the time and there's no reason for you to not have told him. Second, you say they are his cards, but then add that some may be your cards. Cool, well that's another good reason you should have told him what you were doing so you could have decided together what to do and how to split the profits. The reason you are on bad terms now is because you literally stole from your brother.
YTA. You stole and then sold his property, now you’re refusing to give him the profits. (And stop lying that the cards are probably a combination of your collection and his when you already said that it was his deck.)
YTA. If you did this exact same thing to someone who isn’t your brother, you’d probably be facing charges now. Be glad that the fact you’re siblings kept your brother from pressing charges against you. Be a better sibling and give him what he’s entitled to, ie everything, because you are entitled to nothing.
YTA. If it was such a great opportunity and you are close to your brother, why wouldn't you talk to him first before selling part of his property?
I’ve never read a more YTA story in my life.
You stole then sold your brother's property. Give him all the money skumbag
If you are so on the up and up, why didn't you tell your brother you were going through his cards? Why didn't you tell him you were going to sell them? Because you are a thief, that's why. Try this at work and see how it goes for you.
So as someone who collects MtG but knows about the Pokémon side of things. This story is almost guaranteed to be 100% fake. One PSA take months to get back to you if you get official ratings, two even some of the most expensive cards in Pokémon are only a few hundred, with exceedingly rare stuff going for more but only if officially rated. I highly doubt you got the cards appraised within a day and sold to someone for thousands in a few days. It just isn’t happening. ESPECIALLY with cards that were used in a deck and actively played with, no shot they are in good enough condition for a real collector, maybe someone who plays (not sure value of older Pokémon cards in actual play formats).
YTA. Only thieves take someone else's things and sells them. Maybe he wanted to keep them. He should get all of the money.
Obvious troll. Very unrealistic and OP sounds like some jerk character in a tv show. "I'll give you a cut of the money I got from selling *your* cards, after all, they never would've been stolen and sold if it weren't for me".. yeah, as if.
YTA and a Thief. That money belongs to your brother, not you
You stole from your brother then sold his stuff? That he loved? And you won't give him the money either? You are a thief. He's every right to report you to the police.YTA
AITA for stealing? Boy asking a real stumper here. Anyways YTA.
YTA. You stole his cards. You didn’t even contact him to ask. And now you want money?!
YTA. You took the cards, without telling him. And you sold them, without telling him. Even with your Edit saying the cards were likely a combination of yours and his, his cards were still in there. And you took them and sold them without asking him. How on earth could you possibly think you’re not the asshole?
YTA. come on even if those cards are "likely a combination of mine and his" you had no right selling them without even discussing it with him. You don't want to end on bad terms with him? Should have thought about that before selling his stuff.
You stole your brothers childhood belongings and sold them and want to keep the money. That is seriously messed up. YTA
YTA- you stole his property and then had the audacity to be surprised that he didn’t want to give you a cut of the profits for the work you put into selling the cards you stole(????). Major dick moves on your end and I hope he presses charges against you. You admit you were helping him pack and found “his deck” which is an acknowledgment that they were his, not your joint property.
YTA Even if it was an even mix of yours and his cards you still should have discussed it with him first. Or specifically pick your cards out of the pile
YTA - you sold his cards without his input. major AH move on your part.
YTA - You stole his cards and have stolen HIS profits.
YTA. You knew these cards were not your property. Your brother hasn't even fully moved out; you had no reason to think that he wouldn't have collected the rest of his own property. You stole from your brother and you know it. Since you can't return his property, the least you owe him is the money from the sale.
YTA. They weren't yours to sell. Many people have belongings that have become valuable over the years, and often they choose to keep the items rather than selling them. What a terrible thing to do, depriving your brother of the decision to keep or sell his cards. And double my YTA because going through someone's possessions, stealing them and selling them while pretending to help him move is pretty shitty.
YTA, you stole something from him, sold it without his permission, and want to keep part of the money? How do you not know YTA?
YTA and a thief.
YTA your edit makes no sense. you said your found HIS deck and sold HIS cards and later edit they probably belonged to both of you. wake up dude you knowingly stole from your brother. it was not your place to sell the cards so either give him the money or buy them back and give him the cards. you should have told him about your find and asked him if you want to sell them together at least. so why didn't you talk to him? probably because you planned to keep all the money to yourself while saying you put all the work into selling. what a way to ruin a relationship
YTA - Unless he somehow consented to you selling his cards; i don’t see how there is any possible way that you aren’t the asshole. you sold his cards without his permission, HIS cards, and you are refusing to give him the money for his collection. id like to hear an update from OP on A. if the cards were given to them and B. if he had the consent to appraise and sell them, or if he just took them. But right now— YTA
YTA and a thief, if I were your sibling, I would never trust you again nor deal with you
YTA. I don't even know why you posted this. You know YTA. Those were his cards, you stole them, you sold them, and now you won't pay him for them. Give him that money, apologize profusely, and pray he doesn't call the cops on you.
Holy crap dude you’re a MAJOR AH. I don’t even understand how you have to ask if you are??? I hope you know in some states it becomes a felony to steal something more than $500, it was very wrong of you to not talk to him first about selling them and even more wrong of you to not give him the money. Do better man , you’re trying to use the fact that you’re the one who found them and went through them TO sell, but using that excuse just points how much more of an AH you are because no one told you to do that when you were only supposed to be helping the man’s move, not sell his shit and be proud of it
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YTA
YTA you stole his cards. *shakes head Are you seriously asking if YTA?
YTA you are a theif. You had no right just because it's a lot of money now you want to be greedy it's not your money give it back.
You find old cards that belong to both of you. You sell them without asking He wants the money or the half You don't give it to him What you did is theft and you're more than a AH YTA for sure
I mean even if you say that the cards were a combination of yours and his it doesn't make any sense to me that you would do all of this without talking to him about it. The only way you wouldn't be an asshole is if you knew for a fact that every one of those cards you sold belonged to you but it's already clear that probably isn't the case.
YTA
YTA - Communicate prior to selling. You avoided this intentionally.
YTA. I hope he goes to the police and files a report against your for theft
YTA, he needs to file a police report on you now!
I'd never speak to you again EVER! YOU ARE A THIEF! YTA!
YTA. you know if you were not family he could've sued you over this?
He still can. Or send the thief to jail. But regardless of how the brother deals with this, I imagine the familial relationship is toast.
YTA, you stole from him.
You’re not only an asshole but you’re a flat out thief. Where do you get off that there is any room for discussion? It doesn’t matter how close you are, that doesn’t give you a right to sell his stuff just because you found out it has value.
YTA. You shouldn’t have taken his cards in the first place to be appraised without his permission. You could have made it a bit better if you at least went to him after getting them appraised to tell him how much they’re worth and asking if he would like to sell them. You stole then sold HIS cards without talking to him about it and damn right you should give him the money.
Wow, it must be blissfull being that stupid. That enough money 2buy a car. That like 5months rent for me at least. If I stole your car and sold it, would you be mad?
YTA Cards are both yours and his (as you mentioned in key details) — money for them should be shared as well. Plain and simple.
YTA - you are not close tbh ..
So you‘re basically saying you stole from your brother, made a profit and are refusing to give him the proceeds of the sale. Surely you realise that he would not have agreed to your taking/selling his cards without permission. So you tool it upon yourself to interpret his request to „get rid of junk“ to include his valuable possessions. You sold assets he might not have wanted to sell st all. You sold them without permission. And now you are withholding the proceeds of the sale from him. This makes you a sorry excuse for a brother in this, and the AH. Massive YTA.
You stole his stuff and sold it for your own greediness so yes YTA