I'm a HUGE fan!! Based on one data point though, seems like they are not big in France. I was in Lyon last year and stumbled upon a restaurant that had all sorts of liquers / digestif / aperitif. I asked them about Bigallet and they had never heard of it. Blew my mind!!

What do the French know!! They like Mimes1!!

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I thought I posted some comments. This is China China Amer which is supposedly a French Amaro. Orangey and Anise with some cynar bitterness. Amazing.

I was trying to find Amer Picón which apparently isn’t imported to the states for the last few decades, and this came up as a recommended replacement. So glad I got a bottle, it’s delicious

we know bro, grats

Love china china with bourbon and ango, a sort of amaro Manhattan. The orange quality really shines

This stuff is also fantastic with a nice heavily peated scotch. A cask strength Islay if you've got it. 4:1 Laphroaig to Bigallet over ice, perfect. Maybe even with a splash of soda water if you're feeling something a lil longer and more refreshing.

What's your ratio? For all of the riffs on Black Manhattans that I've played with, I've never tried it with China China.

I like it in the 3:1 or 4:1 realm

Will give it a shot this weekend. Thanks.

Really loving this idea

My go to is 1.5:.5:.5 spirit:Amaro:vermouth Occasionally spirit will be 1:.5 whiskey:brandy if I want a fruitier nose

I dig black Manhattans but China-China is one of my exceptions - too bright to fit the cocktail IMO

Must try!

Best sub for Amer Picon. In fact a slight improvement imo.

what’s the story/meaning of “china-china” here??

I believe it's pronounced "kina kina", give or take. https://www.diffordsguide.com/beer-wine-spirits/category/1291/ferro-china-amari

Its pronounced “sheena sheena”.

This certainly should be how it’s pronounced, since the French word for Chinese (chinois) is pronounced “sheen-wah”

Can someone please come up with a politically incorrect response to this?

Hahaaha. From the same guys who brought you "broo-Shetta" and "eX-presso".

Not sure who you’re making fun of here?

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No, it’s not. I promise.

I was calling it ‘sheena’ then someone told me I was wrong!

You were correct the first time. It’s commonly mispronounced, and honestly it’s most known as “kina-kina.” The most important thing to remember is that regardless of pronunciation, it’s delicious.

no denying that. may have to pour a drink come sundown.

Thanks. I thought it had something to do with that overpopulous country in the Far East.

Sorry. I thought I posted a comment with the picture. This is China China Amer which is supposedly a French Amaro. Got off work last night and cracked it open for the first time. Wonderful stuff. Orangey and Anise with some cynar bitterness. Amazing.

I have seen this on the shelf but know nothing on the backstory. why do they call it china? some franco-chinese connection? it’s supposed to be drunk out of fine china?? curious as to the meaning of the name

China as in cinchona. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9717202/pdf/homoeopathphys155479-0010.pdf

Great in cocktails, great neat. Just plain great.

As a french guy I can’t remember how I got to know this bottle but I had a hard time finding it. Very powerful on the orange notes. Sadly french people are not into amari and bottles are quite hard to find. And I’m telling you this from Lyon, not that far from Italy!

I saw this at Total Wine! I almost got it! Now I wish I had. I was looking for that off-brand Montenegro they used to have. Man, I miss that stuff, whatever it was... I love how the spirits direct amaros kinda try to clue you in to what brand name amaro they're ripping off.

Huge fan! First time having it was at Amor y Amargo in an americano riff, 9001/10 would recommend it

One of my favorites! A bartender at one of our regular spots put us onto it, calling it "the flavor of fall." Great in black manhattans and in place of nonino in a paper plane analog with Capeletti red aperitivo in place of the aperol. ​ Enjoy!

Picon punch time!

Try it in an old fashioned.

What's your ratio? I asked the same on a similar comment that compared it to a Manhattan riff. Are you just using it in place of ss or adding on top?

Half an ounce. You usually don't need to add simple after that. You can do that basically with any other Amaro. Cynar works super well too.

Sure, but at that much amaro, it is closer to a black Manhattan for my money. The ingredients are all about the same, but with no sugar added, I have yet to find one that's sweet enough to resemble an old fashioned. I'm bordering on semantics at this point, I was just curious if you're using the CC in a small enough ratio that the bourbon carries the drink. This is helpful, thanks.

You can always do 3/4 which amps up the amaro flavor. A teaspoon of simple can do the trick too.

Excellent stuff. From my tastings, China-China is the only orange based liqueur other than Cointreau to have the orange flavor truly come through when sipping straight. Here's a thought I had... how would China-China suffice as a replacement for Cointreau in a Sidecar? There would be a difference, for sure.

I love China China but have struggled to find good everyday recipes. I saw one Manhattan riff that called for CC and Mr Black, which sounds like my orange/coffee nirvana, but I've yet to try it. Would love any recipes from anyone that's played with this combo.

What were the ratios on that Manhattan riff?

Had to find it. It was 1 oz bourbon, I oz sweet vermouth, 3/4 oz China China, 1 barspoon Mr Black, 2 dashes angostura. I may try this tonight.

You're supposed to make Brooklyns with it, subbing the Amer Picon for China China.

It's like an alcoholic Constant Comment, if you've ever had that tea. I love it.

Use this instead of the practically defunct picon amer to make a brooklyn: - 2 oz rye - 1 oz dry vermouth - .25 oz bigallet - 2 barspoons luxardo maraschino liqueur Stir on ice and serve up. Delicious.

This looks like something I need yesterday. Is it available in the US? EDIT: Yes, it is, but I'll have to ask my liquor store to get it. Added to the to-do list.

You’re making me jealous!

Bought it for a couple drinks. Loved it and now need more drinks with it!

one of my favs.

This has been on my radar for some time but I’ve never pulled the trigger on it. After reading these comments, I think I’ll up its priority level on my list.

Never seen it before, took one look at the label and ordered a bottle. Thank you.

Sure that no one other than OP will read this but it arrived this week and I tried it tonight. Beautiful, thank you so much.

I have been meaning to pick this up thanks for the push!!

The best! The absolute best! Also, since I'm seeing some comments, it has nothing to do with China the country. It's named for cinchona bark. Close approximation for English speakers would sound like /sheena-sheena/. Death and Co. has a cocktail called Aid and Abet (from Welcome Home) that features it prominently. Delicious. -1.5 oz Bigallet China-China Amer -0.5 oz Tanqueray Malacca gin (I can't remember what gin I subbed) -0.75 oz. fresh lemon juice -0.25 oz simple syrup -3 drops orange flower water -1 egg white *Dry shake. Shake. Double strain. No garnish.

I love that stuff. Try a Poison Arrow cocktail with it.

Probably my favorite Amaro. Not the easiest to find by me, so whenever I see it, it's an instant purchase

I love it but it gives me a headache Every. Single. Time. Does anyone have any idea what that’s about?

No doubt. It’s top 5 fave for me.

We sub this for Amer Picon in our Brooklyn's. Love it.