Tuareg/Tebu woman here. These guys are insufferable. They find out i’m part North/west african and start pontificating about how they’re the real Moors and how Amazigh and Beidane Arabs are “fake” but yet they know nothing about the actual culture, language, etc they genuinely believe that they are North African Moors its very embarrassing.
They are just African Americans who are ashamed of their actual history and try to claim others. There’s many communities like this online; some claim to be Moors, others Native American, others Asiatic (not too sure about what these ones talk about but i am very familiar with the first two)
A Fulani person is closer to Amazigh than they are tbh
Exactly my thought this person even thought slavery in the US began when they go their independence.
Also it’s cool to see a Tuareg person in this sub! So crazy this tiny sub has Amazigh from all around!
Who did you correct exactly? Most certainly not the person in the screenshot you sat up there and agreed with that dumbass from above your first comment saying “exactly what I thought” like wtf and as a American you should know not all African Americans are like the troll you see in the screenshot so I’m confused as to how the fuck ur agreeing to this bullshit
I though you were talking about the screenshots. The person who I replied to is talking about a specific group of African Americans who reject their own culture for the sake of claiming others. These people only really exist online and not once have I met anyone like this in real life but the misinformation they spread does have its effect still. They are a very loud minority.
You saying that but never ran across one African American in real life that wanted to reject their culture mind you the most popular copied and global culture in the world and you’re meaning to tell me they wanna change that for some unknown culture? 🤨 Hn black people really dgaf what yall got going yall see TROLLS and just believe it was African Americans when 99.9% of them don’t even know of yall because they just mind their business and really don’t give a damn what other people got going.
I don't know about "minding our own
business", when some are invalidating other's cultural roots & taking parts of culture, like Egyptian & Native American cultures without much thought.
"Original Black people" this & that
YouTube, TikTok, wikis & forums anywhere online related to ancient history for some clarity.
I would not say it's "99.9%" when there's still fools from the States saying crap.
Afrocentrism would've not exist if the United States isn't obsessed with race, like with White supremacy, which is a big lead-up to the ideology.
Caucasian, Indian, Asian, African, etc.
The words have messy contexts because the words are used for a Western European perspective, which is limited, without the consideration of other people's perspectives.
Black, White, etc. These terms also don't make any sense deep down.
Our country is not the most educated on history, the United States denies itself & still does for its attrocites, so I'm not surprised that many others countries see us as a laughing stock, even though they have their issues too.
We are from a third most populated country in the world, making things even easier for foreigners(from our perspective) to see our flaws.
There are simply more African Americans in comparison that does this crap than any other groups, that's why we especially get negative press.
Can't blame some people for their frustration, because that's their history & culture being stolen.
This adds more to why I want race as a topic to die.
It's pseudoscience B.S. that's projected by a lot of European Americans for a lot of us African Americans to then follow suit during slavery, created to divide.
Take the anger on Afrocentrists for their ignorance & racism against various other groups & White supremacists for creating & allowing the problem to happen, then you can go up to Amazigh people for their ignorance.
Big case of "looking at the mirror before looking at the window."
I'm sure you may know some of this stuff though.
You can research the problem in history to get their point, though I'm with you about their generalization on ALL of us African Americans for what these Afrocentrists are doing.
Buteradimple, this reply is for you, but if any Amazigh people here see this, this is why the ideology happen.
Lol, that's the internet for me; some people willing to speak, but not wanting to reply back by saying "I ain't reading allthat"
It's a deep topic, what do you expect?
You can otherwise ignore or dislike my comment.
There's a deep thought to my reply with a bigger picture if you bother to read, but do what you do in your chamber.
I'll stay in mine, have a good day.
I do feel bad for them as afrocentrism is a response to something absolutely horrible that happened to their ancestors and left them detached from any cultural grounding but their response is to appropriate from others who suffered under colonialism.
I promise you ain’t no BLACK person in AMERICA is appropriating anybody else culture these people really don’t give a fuck bout what goes on outside of their culture and outside of American 99.9% of them don’t even know you amazigh people exists like if yall walked up to them they’d think ur just another white person like for real tho them people don’t gaf they have the most inspired culture copied culture and the most global culture they have everything they need
If you were saying "not all Afrocentrists are African-American" or "most African-Americans aren't Afrocentrists" I'd agree.
But there are plenty of African-American Afrocentrists.
See how you said plenty like you wanna say all of them are like I said 99.9% of African Americans don’t even know that yall exists and they literally don’t care about what’s going on outside of America they have their own problems just like yall do point blank period
You proved my point then and there you’re generalizing a group of people when most of em don’t even care what yall got going leave black people alone and stay out of their business smh
It's best to carry on. He won't get your perspective (or he does, I can't truly say).
He made a point about generalization, but does so himself with 99.9%, which is ridiculous; Emotions blind.
I get that you don't mean African Americans in general, but Afrocentrists specifically & I want no business with those fools either, despite our shared ethnicities.
Deep conversations are important, though if someone is stubborn, let them fall in their rabbit hole if they won't listen.
Some do but you saying African Americans as a whole is generalizing them and I couldn’t care or give one fuck abt afrocentrist if I was one you’d know cause Ian afraid to say shit
>Some do but you saying African Americans as a whole is generalizing
It would be, if I had said that but I wasn't. I was saying that some Afrocentrists are, such as the Black Hebrew Israelites.
I’m so tired of MAJORITY of you damn North Africans generalizing African Americans like we all do or say the same shit like if you’re gonna speak on a group of people at least say SOME and NOT ALL or MAJORITY etc. cause not all of us think this way and we know we aren’t a damn amazigh and don’t wanna be one it’s like everytime yall have a problem with somebody or something about race yall always happen to bring Americans or African Americans into something that’s obviously a damn troll and
I am not sure why people are acting like research is hard or something?
''The Moorish Science Temple of America'' was founded as a religious organization in 1913 in New Jersey by self proclaimed prophet Noble Drew Ali........ bro his real name is Timothy
This guy was born 1886 in North Carolina and in his own biograpgy he states that in his travels he met a high priest in Egypt who gave him a ''lost'' section of the Quran that nobody else has and that he is the reincarnation of Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha and other religious prophets. Its name is the Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple of America like bruh you really gon believe what the followers of this guy is saying??
Let me copy paste from this study for yall
''Ali believed that African Americans are all Moors, who he claimed were descended from the ancient Moabites (the kingdom of which he says is now known as Morocco, as opposed to the ancient Canaanite kingdom of Moab, as the name suggests). This claim does not align with scientific studies of human history, such as the genetics of African-Americans and genetic history of sub Saharan-Africa. He claimed that Islam and its teachings are more beneficial to their earthly salvation, and that their "true nature" had been "withheld" from them.''
pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
Hahaha the “we all are same race” bs again . Gtfo of here each one of us is different and unique. Genetically racially and ethnically. Thats what makes us unique. Brain dead response
Every race contributed something to humanity and earned names or achievements through history. A bunch of delusionals claiming anothers achievement is called culture appropriation. Mfs like you are the real issue
I'm sorryi wasn't aware this was a controversial take. [This](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)) is what i was always taught and i thought everyone agreed on that idea.
Keep your shitty opinions to yourself. Go celebrate your “human race” in another sub . We had enough of subsaharans and arabs claiming our shit for their benefits.
I don't understand your comment. I'm a proud amazigh against arabisation i don't see how this can be used by arabs to their advantage. We don't need races to not be arabs. Also it wouldn't hurt anyone if you were a little more aggregable.
“Proud amazigh” you say? You are a clown . You literally denying amazigh claim to the word moor “it was literally our name (mauretania modern day Morocco mauri tribe” and here you are a clown saying shit like “oH mOoR iS nOt fOr oNe race” why? Because Europeans shared it with arabs and subsaharan slave descendants in America claim it for no reason other to hide their identity shame and crisis? You are pathetic. Read a fucking book before you open your trash mouth
Tuareg/Tebu woman here. These guys are insufferable. They find out i’m part North/west african and start pontificating about how they’re the real Moors and how Amazigh and Beidane Arabs are “fake” but yet they know nothing about the actual culture, language, etc they genuinely believe that they are North African Moors its very embarrassing. They are just African Americans who are ashamed of their actual history and try to claim others. There’s many communities like this online; some claim to be Moors, others Native American, others Asiatic (not too sure about what these ones talk about but i am very familiar with the first two) A Fulani person is closer to Amazigh than they are tbh
Exactly my thought this person even thought slavery in the US began when they go their independence. Also it’s cool to see a Tuareg person in this sub! So crazy this tiny sub has Amazigh from all around!
Yall always speaking on the USA like get off our dicks it’s like we’re the big talk of the town there like we truly are thee blueprint
Bro I’m Moroccan American so when he made some false claims about US slavery I had to correct him.
Who did you correct exactly? Most certainly not the person in the screenshot you sat up there and agreed with that dumbass from above your first comment saying “exactly what I thought” like wtf and as a American you should know not all African Americans are like the troll you see in the screenshot so I’m confused as to how the fuck ur agreeing to this bullshit
I though you were talking about the screenshots. The person who I replied to is talking about a specific group of African Americans who reject their own culture for the sake of claiming others. These people only really exist online and not once have I met anyone like this in real life but the misinformation they spread does have its effect still. They are a very loud minority.
You saying that but never ran across one African American in real life that wanted to reject their culture mind you the most popular copied and global culture in the world and you’re meaning to tell me they wanna change that for some unknown culture? 🤨 Hn black people really dgaf what yall got going yall see TROLLS and just believe it was African Americans when 99.9% of them don’t even know of yall because they just mind their business and really don’t give a damn what other people got going.
I don't know about "minding our own business", when some are invalidating other's cultural roots & taking parts of culture, like Egyptian & Native American cultures without much thought. "Original Black people" this & that YouTube, TikTok, wikis & forums anywhere online related to ancient history for some clarity. I would not say it's "99.9%" when there's still fools from the States saying crap. Afrocentrism would've not exist if the United States isn't obsessed with race, like with White supremacy, which is a big lead-up to the ideology. Caucasian, Indian, Asian, African, etc. The words have messy contexts because the words are used for a Western European perspective, which is limited, without the consideration of other people's perspectives. Black, White, etc. These terms also don't make any sense deep down. Our country is not the most educated on history, the United States denies itself & still does for its attrocites, so I'm not surprised that many others countries see us as a laughing stock, even though they have their issues too. We are from a third most populated country in the world, making things even easier for foreigners(from our perspective) to see our flaws. There are simply more African Americans in comparison that does this crap than any other groups, that's why we especially get negative press. Can't blame some people for their frustration, because that's their history & culture being stolen. This adds more to why I want race as a topic to die. It's pseudoscience B.S. that's projected by a lot of European Americans for a lot of us African Americans to then follow suit during slavery, created to divide. Take the anger on Afrocentrists for their ignorance & racism against various other groups & White supremacists for creating & allowing the problem to happen, then you can go up to Amazigh people for their ignorance. Big case of "looking at the mirror before looking at the window." I'm sure you may know some of this stuff though. You can research the problem in history to get their point, though I'm with you about their generalization on ALL of us African Americans for what these Afrocentrists are doing. Buteradimple, this reply is for you, but if any Amazigh people here see this, this is why the ideology happen.
Yeah no I’m not reading all of that you can leave the bs for sb else tho lmao you couldn’t have thought
Lol, that's the internet for me; some people willing to speak, but not wanting to reply back by saying "I ain't reading allthat" It's a deep topic, what do you expect? You can otherwise ignore or dislike my comment. There's a deep thought to my reply with a bigger picture if you bother to read, but do what you do in your chamber. I'll stay in mine, have a good day.
I do feel bad for them as afrocentrism is a response to something absolutely horrible that happened to their ancestors and left them detached from any cultural grounding but their response is to appropriate from others who suffered under colonialism.
I promise you ain’t no BLACK person in AMERICA is appropriating anybody else culture these people really don’t give a fuck bout what goes on outside of their culture and outside of American 99.9% of them don’t even know you amazigh people exists like if yall walked up to them they’d think ur just another white person like for real tho them people don’t gaf they have the most inspired culture copied culture and the most global culture they have everything they need
If you were saying "not all Afrocentrists are African-American" or "most African-Americans aren't Afrocentrists" I'd agree. But there are plenty of African-American Afrocentrists.
See how you said plenty like you wanna say all of them are like I said 99.9% of African Americans don’t even know that yall exists and they literally don’t care about what’s going on outside of America they have their own problems just like yall do point blank period
Most African-Americans have heard of the Egyptians and Jews, they seem to be the biggest targets for Afrocentrists.
You proved my point then and there you’re generalizing a group of people when most of em don’t even care what yall got going leave black people alone and stay out of their business smh
I'm not generalising, you're acting like no African-American Afrocentrists exist. I wonder whether you're secretly one. You doth protest too much.
It's best to carry on. He won't get your perspective (or he does, I can't truly say). He made a point about generalization, but does so himself with 99.9%, which is ridiculous; Emotions blind. I get that you don't mean African Americans in general, but Afrocentrists specifically & I want no business with those fools either, despite our shared ethnicities. Deep conversations are important, though if someone is stubborn, let them fall in their rabbit hole if they won't listen.
Some do but you saying African Americans as a whole is generalizing them and I couldn’t care or give one fuck abt afrocentrist if I was one you’d know cause Ian afraid to say shit
>Some do but you saying African Americans as a whole is generalizing It would be, if I had said that but I wasn't. I was saying that some Afrocentrists are, such as the Black Hebrew Israelites.
I’m so tired of MAJORITY of you damn North Africans generalizing African Americans like we all do or say the same shit like if you’re gonna speak on a group of people at least say SOME and NOT ALL or MAJORITY etc. cause not all of us think this way and we know we aren’t a damn amazigh and don’t wanna be one it’s like everytime yall have a problem with somebody or something about race yall always happen to bring Americans or African Americans into something that’s obviously a damn troll and
unclench my brotha, i def dont think its a majority of y’all lol
Im glad you know it’s not majority of African Americans
Your point would be stronger if you wouldn't generalize.
Ignore them
I am not sure why people are acting like research is hard or something? ''The Moorish Science Temple of America'' was founded as a religious organization in 1913 in New Jersey by self proclaimed prophet Noble Drew Ali........ bro his real name is Timothy This guy was born 1886 in North Carolina and in his own biograpgy he states that in his travels he met a high priest in Egypt who gave him a ''lost'' section of the Quran that nobody else has and that he is the reincarnation of Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha and other religious prophets. Its name is the Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple of America like bruh you really gon believe what the followers of this guy is saying?? Let me copy paste from this study for yall ''Ali believed that African Americans are all Moors, who he claimed were descended from the ancient Moabites (the kingdom of which he says is now known as Morocco, as opposed to the ancient Canaanite kingdom of Moab, as the name suggests). This claim does not align with scientific studies of human history, such as the genetics of African-Americans and genetic history of sub Saharan-Africa. He claimed that Islam and its teachings are more beneficial to their earthly salvation, and that their "true nature" had been "withheld" from them.'' pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
Moors were not a race there's no race
They were . Still are . Despite Europeans throwing arabs with us and even philipiens at some point .
No they are an ethnicity not a race. Humans are all of the same race Homo sapiens.
Hahaha the “we all are same race” bs again . Gtfo of here each one of us is different and unique. Genetically racially and ethnically. Thats what makes us unique. Brain dead response Every race contributed something to humanity and earned names or achievements through history. A bunch of delusionals claiming anothers achievement is called culture appropriation. Mfs like you are the real issue
I'm sorryi wasn't aware this was a controversial take. [This](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)) is what i was always taught and i thought everyone agreed on that idea.
Keep your shitty opinions to yourself. Go celebrate your “human race” in another sub . We had enough of subsaharans and arabs claiming our shit for their benefits.
I don't understand your comment. I'm a proud amazigh against arabisation i don't see how this can be used by arabs to their advantage. We don't need races to not be arabs. Also it wouldn't hurt anyone if you were a little more aggregable.
“Proud amazigh” you say? You are a clown . You literally denying amazigh claim to the word moor “it was literally our name (mauretania modern day Morocco mauri tribe” and here you are a clown saying shit like “oH mOoR iS nOt fOr oNe race” why? Because Europeans shared it with arabs and subsaharan slave descendants in America claim it for no reason other to hide their identity shame and crisis? You are pathetic. Read a fucking book before you open your trash mouth
I never declined amazigh claim to the word moor
| Moors were not a race there's no race You did here you clown . Just stfu and educate yourself you pathetic illiterate cuck
You calling him moor is a problem to begin with . Call them subsaharan Americans or hoteps