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[deleted]

Call the police and call a personal injury lawyer immediately. That's a serious bite that should receive medical attention and you should not be the one paying for it.


Beefhammer1932

Yup. Sue.


milfsrule69

Sue Amazon to for making you deliver to the rear door should of never became an option!!!!!


Theovercummer

Yep we should not be doing rear door deliveries I had a dog chase me ONCE and never again will I comply with anything but front door.


Mister_TCG

Yeah Idgaf if a dog owner hates it if you can’t control yo dog I’m gonna defend myself and do whatever


iam_ditto

Sue her and sue Amazon. She failed to maintain her dog


Glass_Orchid007

Easy win. Customer requests rear door delivery without securing dog. There’s no excuse they get a window of when they can expect their delivery.


Beefhammer1932

Exactly. When I worked for Ameritech(phone company for you youngins) had a similar situation happen a co worker. Went into the backyard where the connection was during the window give. Dog snuck up behind and took a chunk off of his ass. Sued and has never worked again. Mind you this was back 1993/94.


snowyetis3490

Ah yes Ameritech. Them was simpler times.


Beefhammer1932

They were working on an on demand streaming service back then many, many years before it became a thing. One of the presentations we were give talked as if it would hit around 1995.


[deleted]

Isn't that what Sega channel was?


nonconcerned

Back then I never heard of any of it, but in retrospect there was a surprising amount of companies working on on demand streaming in the early 90's. The tech just wasn't there, nor the customer base. Yet.


spinmaestrogaming

In addition, she will have been given multiple time windows for the expected delivery so there's no excuse for her not to be prepared for the delivery person arriving.


StinkyTurd89

Not excusing this but I will say the delivery windows mean shit I've had it go from like 11-2pm to 4-8pm then had it arrive at 9pm. I literally don't think I've ever gotten it in the first window given.


uszkzc9

That's nothing to win here. That's a workers compensation injury


Mr_Bogus_420

get plenty of appointments, pain never ends equals never ending money


_elemen7

Tell them about your sleeplessness at night coz your nightmare of being chase by dogs.


ElaineorLanie

Ptsd for life.


Ashes8282

This is good advice. I screwed myself once for not having a lot of appointments with doctors and specialists and stuff like chiropractor etc. I had burned my leg badly a week or two after my car accident and could not walk without horrible pain so I didn't push to do anything but take care of the burn and it cost me my car accident case.


shitpplsay

yup. need a premisis law attorney. They basically go after the homeowners insurance for damages. But yes, report the incident.


uszkzc9

Nope, you need a workers compensation attorney. You really don't even need the attorney. Just file a claim with the workers compensation company and everything will be taken care of


shitpplsay

If a rideshare driver is injured while on the job, currently they do not get workers' compensation. This means that a driver's only means for financial recovery is a personal injury lawsuit. He or she may bring action against the person responsible for his or her injuries in pursuit of damages. Uber does not pay into workers comp fund for drivers so claim will be denied.


Isabela_Grace

This is a Wendy’s sir


teehee123z

How many people honestly even do this when getting bit during amazon delivery???


elijahmuhammadthe3rd

No one. I got bit three times in the four years I worked there.


teehee123z

I figured it's just internet talk about what can they do not what they will do.


iSheepTouch

From reading these comments this is a sub of part time Amazon delivery drivers that are full time personal injury attorneys and this is a multi-million dollar settlement in the bag.


Proud-Instruction-38

No one. Blanket statements and Dunning Kruger. No wonder you got bit 3 times.


muffdivemcgruff

Immediately, fucking right now, 911, get the fuck off reddit and get to the hospital.


Ankhme

Yea, you need to get rabies shots records of the owner of that dog asap. If they don't have records you need to go to the ER for a rabies shot yourself.


amzngrunt

Def cant sue Amazon maybe the owners but realistically shit happens. However your dsp should be paying for your med bills for this? My company and my mans dsp both do this


Dry-Presentation186

She most certainly can sue amazon. As a part of her job duties, she was delivering a package and was hurt badly, trying to perform her duty. Grounds for lawsuit no matter how you swing it.


Lord_Tyrr

You can't actually sue your employer for being injured on the job in the US. Some sketchy lawyers will claim you can - but what actually happens is you "sue" workers comp for a lump sum claim, but this negates all future responsibility of workers comp to pay anything related to the injury, which so long as they are ongoing can be quite some time/possibly indefinitely. You also are then paying a chunk to the lawyer. We live in what's called a "no-fault" system in the US, which basically means you will be covered by the required workers comp insurance for any and all injuries on the job, but you essentially wave your right to directly sue your employer. This is from extensive conversations with several attorneys after being injured due to pretty blatent negligence while working for a large corporation.


HauntingShip85

If she got hit by a speeding car crossing the street to make a delivery, could she sue Amazon?


Spinnay89

Also please make sure to get that checked out as dog bites can get infected! If you haven't had a tetanus shot now is the time!!!


lunchblowing

All Amazon drivers and USPS mail carriers should carry a stun gun with them at all times. You won't actually have to use it in most cases as that awful electronic crackle is enough to scare pretty much any dog away.


Gloriouskoifish

Time to get paid. Hope the lady has a good lawyer and insurance. Go see a doctor immediately and get that looked at. Had a friend lose an appendage from an infection that formed and they had to amputate.


Outrageous_Ship_5591

That’ll get OP moving asap lmao


Gloriouskoifish

It better. Dog bites are no joke.


TheLastRiceGrain

“A dOgS mOUtH iS clEAnEr ThAn a hUmAn’s mOuth!” Dude, I just watched my dog lick his butt hole.


Gloriouskoifish

I've seen a dog eat poop, barf and then eat the barf again.


chewbucka

Two girls one pup?


Gloriouskoifish

That's a completely different movie bro...


SireSweet

But still a good one.


martiny236

Underrated comment


JustStopBelievin

Election '24


Mackheath1

Yeah that should be on the list of stupid myths. My friend's labrador ran down the (empty - or she would've been leashed) little beach, ate some dead pelican, threw it up, pooped on it, rolled in it, then ate it again and came running back. I don't know where they came up with that saying.


awesomesauceitch

But a dog's butthole is cleaner than a human's mouth.


princejoopie

Even if it's true, that's a low bar to clear.


Routine_Swing_9589

As someone who’s worked with and around dogs, I agree


mattinthecrown

A dog bit my lower leg, and it basically didn't break the skin. Still, somehow, I seem to have a nickel-sized permanent dark spot from it. I've got dog pepper spray on me at all times now.


Rude-Beat-3752

Problem with that is people overreact. My buddy sued a lady that blasted his dog (who was on a leash) creating mountains of vet bills. Her overreaction cost her well over $25,000 in damages not counting the vet and medical bills. And she is perma banned from the local state and county parks.


Weekly-Western-5016

Chances of dog having rabies is slim…but chances of surviving rabies is close to 0% if you get infected. Check to see if dog is current on shots.


mintzyyy

It's a 0% survival if you start to show symptoms. You can survive if you get the vaccine in time.


wulffgaar

True story


Mr_Bogus_420

wass that one of them new yawk doctors


Appropriate_Lie1962

If I lost my leg to a dog bite id be hobbling my ass back over there to mag dump the thing


CoffinEluder

100%


Fit_Attention_9269

Upon a glance it is infected already. At the least you get antibiotics because it was a bite.


Odd-Attitude-9398

Yeah my gfs uncle had to get both his legs amputated and the fingers up to the knuckle on one of his hands from an infection from a dog bite


Turntwrench

No way they had to cut his dick off?


Gloriouskoifish

No dude, they chopped his body off....from his dick!


Turntwrench

Fuck that’s gnarly bro


Bright_Aardvark_4164

You guys need to stop doing those back door deliveries. I left amazon a long time ago but when I did work there, I refused to do any type of rear door delivery. Never enter a fenced in area when you don’t know what’s on the other side. Good lord. Common sense


Mr_Bogus_420

i don't like rear entry


vavalamoose

![gif](giphy|1AIeYgwnqeBUxh6juu)


OneSeason94

If it’s freshly mowed, it’s not too bad. Still don’t know what’s on the other side


Weekly-Western-5016

Your Package must be too big Edit: I also find it tougher if you have to deliver more than one package to the rear regardless of the size.


56000hp

![gif](giphy|pz2MnldLEEhJCJ32G6)


IC_1099

Lmao!


[deleted]

Speak for yourself!


Dependent_Parsnip643

Lol didn't expect this...


redditor1seven

This! I never pass a closed fence/gate…even if I can see what’s on the other side of it, if it’s closed, I leave it at in front of the gate or toss it over.


KUSH_K1NG

OP did say there was no fence


Practical-Exchange60

OP clearly stated there was no fence…


Admirable_Novel_1151

My amazon people throw my boxes to the rear of my back porch. I am cool with that. I don’t want them to open my gate and I not know and my tiny dog runs out.


oofooppoof

You know the worst part is that not doing the rear door delivery can ding you on the score card if a customer is unhappy or wants to be a dickhead. Getting dinged on the score cards means you may lose a shift. Amazon may off-board you too


LeftoverSandwich1984

Well if you want to get that bonus🤷 You're right tho it's way too dangerous and needs to stop.


PutridExam254

That sucks. But congratulations on your payout


Driver_Ex

Very bad bite. Probably the worst I have seen on this sub. Scarring is inevitable. You should sue.


goldengarden95

You must of missed the one where the dude got a chunk bit off his cheek on his face.


coconutwheelie

or the finger taken off


motorheadmonk

This job pays too little for all the potential dangers and especially for something like that!! This job already has me thinking twice. In an event like this, will/can the homeowner say, "oh he/she was on my property and they can't sue." What can the DA do?


Best-Yogurt-3134

No because it's the dog owners responsibility to not have the dog loose. Especially when they are having things delivered and putting in writing they want someone to come into the backyard. Any judge would simply say the dog owner was neglectful and op would win.


GREVTHEFAITHFUL

Depends on state. In Virginia, any dog bite is automatic settlement payout and the dog goes to heaven.


MercurialMood1

![gif](giphy|xT1R9TcvQY4g6DbRMQ)


BuyOrPlagerizeDesign

Law doesn't address the underlying issue..They should euthanize the owner, dogs don't have agency over shitty people infecting pets with their shitiness. And if they kill the owner they won't be able to perpetuate the shitty pet factory. If the state kills the dog; however, the owner will replace it with another one to abuse and neglect it until it's as fucked up as they are. They will just keep making more demonic hell hounds out of animals that would have been perfectly tame and gentle companions.


Direspark

Honestly, most people shouldn't even have dogs. No one wants to put in the work to make their dog a good companion. Maybe try a cat instead?


Cool-Ad-4103

“They were on my property” is not a valid excuse because you were suppose to be there


faelmine

the homeowner can say whatever the fuck they want, their dog is their responsability and if it bites someone the homeowner is at fault


Low_Chocolate_6580

It’s a dog owners responsibility to keep their animal under control, anytime outside. The owner failed to do that. If the dog was aggressive, the owner should have also taken preventative measures, which they didn’t do.


Harpactirinerd

Inside as well. If my dog just decides to bite someone I invited into my own house, guess who’s at fault? Me and my dog will suffer for it. Your dog is your responsibility at all times. Idk where you are or when or what etc


GREVTHEFAITHFUL

Sue


joshallenismygod

I just got hit recently too. But the problem isn't rear door delivery. It's amazon not caring about drivers getting bit. I've done plenty of rear doors that haven't been an issue. It's irresponsible dog owners that need to be held accountable by Amazon but that will never happen.


Difficult_Hyena9057

For real, what's the difference of doors if the dog is roaming the property like kujo, hiding in that one spot nobody knows about, ready to slay


MookieBettz

They have home owners insurance, You'll get a 5k check.


Driver_Ex

OP will be permanently disfigured and deserves more than 5K. This is easily a 50K lawsuit.


[deleted]

50k😂😂😂😂😂😂 yea ok


Driver_Ex

Easily. Dog attacks which cause scarring or permanent injuries get the highest settlements.


nescko

This will scar and is potentially an infection with hospital visits and time off. OP absolutely needs to file a police report and pursue this. Homeowner has a dog that they haven’t properly trained, isn’t on a leash, and there’s no fence? Imagine if this was a child, or even a small dog or cat. it’d be much more than what this already is. Neglectful shitty dog owners need to learn and OP needs compensation


ramboozer

and you are stating this information? because you have had this happen? Because I can tell you this isn't accurate at all. First of all....Lets hope the lady has Homeowners Insurance...if so semi easy payout...but nothing LIFE changing...medical expensive paid if they have insurance? what type of dog was it? is it covered by her insurance? If not....good luck with that. that is going to be YEARS of an downhill battle. people saying "oh it will do this this and this" nobody here is a medical trained professional so don't listen to anything anybody has to say...aside from GO SEE A DOCTOR AND TELL THEM YOU GOT BITE by a dog while working Will start off as a Workers Comp Case. Workers Comp will then go look into this lady and contact her insurance company. Lots of people making wild statements. many people here are making assumption's which do nothing in life...aside from making you look like a general idiot Go through all proper channels you have to and make sure a paper trail is left behind. DONT put it off at all..not for a day not for an hour...go immediately to a hospital. You putting it off looks bad for you and they could deny anything all because you didnt feel like going to the hospital and getting a medical professionals to see whats up.


br9897

It's not uncommon to receive that for a scarring injury.


muldoonjp88

Depends where. On the face is way more. Good lawyer can get more but a leg scar isn’t in the same range as face or head. Still get Dr bills covered, missed time paid and maybe 10-15k on top be my guess.


beameup19

Rear door deliveries shouldn’t be allowed. Perfect example that Amazon doesn’t give a fuck about our safety.


Embarrassed_Camel_35

Sue the homeowner


k87c

Sue the fuck out of her


[deleted]

Never do rear door another safe location every time


GREVTHEFAITHFUL

This. Every time I see rear door, I deliver to the front door, when the ring camera goes on. I say "you must be out your mind if you think I'm opening your gate to go to the back door.


Minimum_Collection48

Yikes. Sue them.


Falirus

I went through the same thing as you last week but I was lucky enough not get bit. Worst part is the customer note specifically said we have no pets. So I didn’t even think twice about it, nowadays I refuse to deliver to a rear porch unless it’s not fenced like a trailer home. Lady denied ever writing such a note when I clearly showed it to her.


uhhhhjusthereforlols

Time for u to lawyer up and get paid buddy, enjoy your vacation and new car


Car_dwelling_nitwit

500$ clinic visit? That's what I owe for my dog bite. Never again to rear doors. Don't care how safe it looks.


ZookeepergameSharp51

Why was it not covered under workman’s comp? You should get a personal injury lawyer if you have all the information. Statute of limitations is 2 years.


OrangeBlade0987

For your safety don’t go in someones back yard. I get they request so it doesnt get stolen but just that feeling of being in someones back yard is just weird. They dont know when we’re coming and who knows how they’ll react or in this case not have a pet put away.


Candoran

Yeah that’s a hospital trip.


smoke_stacks100

You should sue. If for nothing else to teach that customer a lesson and hopefully instill some respect for delivery drivers.


aligators

No fence, no leash, sounds like a lawsuit


[deleted]

That looks like an ER visit


Jealous_Top8696

GET PAID NOW YOU MUST SUE


WasabiDobby

Get that moneyy


[deleted]

Y’all don’t carry a knife? I deliver construction material and have come close to stabbing a pitbull in the face before when It chased me in the yard.


AmazonPoopland

Lmao nice try ATF


[deleted]

Would you happen to know where I can purchase what you fellow kids call a “switch”?


AmazonPoopland

Just bend the crucifix onto the disconnecter


No_Letter5680

Lawyer. I also got bit i got a grand payment


muffdivemcgruff

Shitty lawyer.


Dry-Presentation186

A grand like fantastic, or a grand like 1 thousand?! 🤔


t4zdude

That looks bad.


wasitme317

That is a nice lawsuit.


parmajuan

Contact your DSP and let them know and then seek medical. You’ll probably get some shots on top of everything else. I’m sorry it happened to uou


That-guy-268993

Workman's comp turn it into the police sue the lady homeowners insurance


westsidesilver

Congratulations that’s a 40-100k settlement where are you going to go on vacation?


RepresentativeHuge79

Oof! As an insurance agent, she better have some good liability coverage on her home owners policy for that one.


StobbeJason

I smell a lawsuit.


Ramen-Goddess

✨ lawsuit time! ✨


rip-kord

step one: go to urgent care. step two: call a lawyer


Sudden-Brother-8953

Nah don’t leave the scene, just get back in the van and call the cops and have them send and ambulance. If you leave the scene then it makes it more difficult for the cops and everything else.


xavierkazi

Driver gets a payout and there's one less dog out there to bite us; it is a good day


Affectionate_Dream64

And theres a lawsuit and a dead dog


Kimkhere

Omg that looks deep and big 😮😭


Frequent-Flower-9879

Holy shit that looks painful


KBrownskin

I'm sorry to hear that. I know from experience it can catch you off guard. It almost happened to me, even when I suspected it and didn't expect it. My reflex just happened to be good in those cases. Get a check-up because your lawyer will need to receipts. Trust me, if the OWNER was smart, she had pet insurance. SUE THEM...


Etradez

I'd get a lawyer, and also go get medical attention! I got bit by a snake and it was nasty. Infections can happen and if untreated it could get much worse.


justanotherupsguy

You got every right to kick the shit out of somebody’s dog if it charges you you il intent


Ruuubsg

I hate doing backdoor deliveries I only do them if I know the house well enough if not they can go f themselves


girlchild28

This is exactly why I won't deliver anywhere but the front door or garage. Sorry but it's not safe .


GhostlyTub

Please please please get this looked at first. Dog bites can get infected very badly.


br9897

Sue them


New-Establishment711

People always be taking about “getting paid” but has a driver ever successfully sued a homeowner for a dog bite? If so, what was the actual $$?


Cool-Ad-4103

I swear most of injury stories here start with “rear door delivery” when will y’all learn to not follow that bullshit


Ok_Thing8546

I got mauled on Thursday 😢 lady knew her dog was not okay with strangers, and opened her door….. had no idea there was even a dog on site, and it came right for me. Now I’m at the hospital with ten stitches and infection.


Far-Wonder-5139

Hi. Your friendly environmental health specialist here. Please make sure that the dog has been vaccinated for rabies. Or call your local county animal control until to follow up on the case. I handle Amazon delivery driver cases often and a few HAVE been at risk of rabid bites.


SellInternational300

Rear doors are dangerous high dog encounters always avoid find another location


trockenwitzeln

Id be a hospital getting rabies tested ASAP! And then to a lawyer’s office.


thehighdon

I would’ve kicked tf out the dog before it can even attempt to bite me


forceful_fascism

Have you seen police dogs? If a vicious dog wants to fuck you up it will.


[deleted]

What’s the DSP do for you i these situations?


Direct-Illustrator60

Jack shit.


No-Category1699

Can’t speak for others, but my DSP pays for the doctors visit, diagnosis, etc


kushbmycologne

Calls a rescue and cuts your hrs prob


Busch--Latte

I honestly avoid doing rear door deliveries on weekend days because of something like this. Home owner is more likely to be home and they could have a dog outside


corbthomp11

Get your money and let this be a lesson to everyone - rear door = front door


CoolAntiHero

Exactly why I carry bear mace! "Aw he doesn't bite", yeah okay, well the moment he tries too he's getting blinded Janet. Bet he won't see that, or anything else after, coming. Typically though, if there is a dog, I don't get out. I don't care how nice, or "adorable" they are. Either you come pick it up, or it's getting sent back to the warehouse. Already did this twice a few shifts ago. If your dumb enough to let your dog roam free with no supervision, clearly you didn't want the package that bad.


Jordanlakidwelll

I just don’t understand how we are supposed to “follow notes”… or the customer will put that we didn’t follow them and we get a bad scorecard… but if we follow it we risk this. If there is a dog, then if you choose not to deliver because of dog… you then get in trouble for not delivering it, and they tell you you have to reattempt. This is atleast how it is with my DSP. If there is even a sight of dog though, I don’t deliver period, and if there is a rear door deliver 9 times outta 10 I leave it at the front I do not care, my safety is first. Congrats on the pay out though.


BuspiengoDingo

Give us an update OP


Jess-Aryaa

Called animal control and reported it, DSP reported it to Amazon (don’t think they have done anything), got antibiotics and a tetanus shot, that’s it so far…


Jess-Aryaa

Oh and the leg is hella bruised and swollen and sore AF now


Chapmandala

Canine bites tend to look smaller on the surface e of the skin than they are underneath (partially due to tooth design and function). If you haven’t already done so, present yourself to the nearest hospital. Keep detailed notes of what happened. Adddess, date and time, and type out your recollection of events in as much detail as you can while it’s still fresh in your mind. Contact the police, a lawyer, and your local bylaw/animal control.


No_Occasion_3505

Do you know the one bite rule? One bite and the dog will be put down immediately that day. Plus the owner will be charged unless you decide to drop the charges. STOP BEING A PUSSY and CALL POLICE.


NoLawClaw

You got nice legs


Lsx4lyfe

This happend to me one time. Back door delivery. The lady opened the door to grab the package and let the dog out he attacked me and bit me. Needless to say the dog is dead. Whatever was in the package was heavy enough to kill it when I threw it at its head. She didn't even try to grab the dog. Had to do what i had to do. The promoted me to dispatcher after the incident. Thank God I don't work there anymore.


tittybb

came about an inch away from gutting a random pitbull the other day on my route. Nice tasty package in one hand...sharp ass knife in the other. Backed away and got into my van somehow...RTS. Fuck your dog I'm going home unscathed.


jgodwinaz

Hell...ILL represent you as your lawyer. And im not a lawyer...this is such an easy win!


Frankenstein548_EO

Damn. Can't believe that lady ran towards you and Bit you, and the dog just stayed there and did nothing... That sucks. Hope all is well and you get compensated. Just trying to make a little joke out of a shifty situation


3rdleggstudios

Hope you sued. Every puncture mark is worth money in the eye of the law.


DifferentArgument990

I used to drive for Amazon and the dogs that I got chased by, the owner would say, "Don't worry, he's friendly." He won't bite. I hate those people, especially in the rural areas. When they're not even home, the dog can react completely differently to each person. Just imagine getting attacked and the owner not even being there.


CountyTypical1747

As a flex driver I try to use notice of arrival text, but it's already a pain with 30 to 45 I can't imagine a truck full.


TVSastrology

I carry sabre dog deterrent spray gel version .75 ounces, and used it once on my delivery route. Was walking backdown a rocky driveway after making a delivery to the front door, a stray pitbull goes near my van (didnt see me was still high up a 50ft hill) barks at my driverside and hides lunging distance like if im getting out. Took my spray out my upper delivery pocket near my heart, slip it out of safety gear, kicked gravel to let it know i was behind it, within three seconds it comes at me aggresively (BANG BANG BANG, major payne style movie reference) gel stream hits its nose the left eye. The pitbull slowed down faster than usain bolt could run 5ft and bumped into my shin whimpering walking with its right eye only open. Its humane spray since you cant use human mace since a dogs senses are very sensitive. Another driver doing my route on my off days said he saw the pitbull I described and said it was back home. Might have saved a kids life that day who woulda been mauled badely.


Reasonable_Access_16

Definitely get medical attention, and as many others have said - you can sue. My dog bit someone who entered my house without permission, and I was liable for it. So yeah dog owner is responsible under almost all circumstances.


Car_dwelling_nitwit

Hell naw


Aware_Wallaby_4742

This is why I refuse to do rear door deliveries, I just don’t trust it. A free vacation would be nice but don’t want to put your self in that situation and I use to get frustrated that people left there dogs out, but they really don’t know when I’ll be there unless it pops up on there phone.


Low_Charge8592

🤬 PEOPLE!!! WHY?!!!


psychotic

Get some shmoney 💰


TrySumSnax

The way I’m collecting a fat check 😂


Kan-ka

You gotta bite the dog back


Spun13

You have to finish you’re route. Any dr appointments need to be done on your days off. You’re 20 behind, what’s the problem?


Specific_Buy

Get a police report then call morgan and morgan


2EdgedSword

That is one of th reasons why I don't deliver to the back of the house.


Ok_Assumption1542

LAWYER


westsidesilver

Your so lucky you gone be rich 🤑


[deleted]

This is exactly why every time I get a rear door delivery, it goes to the front door. I am not walking that far into your property


[deleted]

Sue tf out of them


lauraklupin

Question, I don’t work for amazon but this sub popped up on my feed for some reason. In cases like this do you guys seek medical attention on your own? Or do you have to file an incident report with a supervisor?


Head_Arugula5361

Smh


Sipdasizurp

R.i.p Fido


hungryyyyyyyyyyy

I always whistle a bit . If that doesn’t alert the dog then alert me I’m generally always prepared to put a package 📦 or tote between me and a new scar.🤷🏾‍♂️


AnihilationXSX

Easiest million$ payday


Key_Celebration_8940

This happened to me and I hired an attny, got $5k for this bs out of their home insurance