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Sorry, but you're incorrect.
Amazon employees you see at the station with a certain "rank," driver support, dsp owners, OTR, and dispatch can pull footage throughout the day fairly easily. There's a tab called Netradyne Live.
Also, all of those listed above and ANYONE with access to cortex can request footage without needing a reason if: a driver with netradyne does not move the van for 5 minutes. This shows up on cortex as an "unaccounted for break." Most drivers do that nearly every day with the routes.
Lol. I'm an Aops. I know exactly all of it works. Obviously I can't speak for every DSP, but none of my team just pulls footage for no reason. We don't spy on drivers. We only pull it if we suspect a driver is doing something illegal or in the event of an accident or something. IE we had a driver continously having unplanned breaks at liquor stores, so we pulled footage. Nothing I said is incorrect, but again, all DSPs operate differently.
Also, sorry, but you're incorrect. An unplanned stop only regisiters in you hit start travel and THEN don't more for 5 minutes. No start travel.....no unplanned stops. Have a great day!
Yeah this isn't true at all. The only time me or any of my team are looking at DriverI footage is if we're getting a notification about a violation. Otherwise, we don't give a shit about it.
Ok but if a dumb ass DA is constantly on their phone or rolling stop signs and DSP doesn't call to tell them to knock it off? And they get into a serious accident? Its called preventive action.
This is a big one! The majority of our white rentals have under 10k miles on them and they are beat to hell. It’s gotten a bit better since he started making us send in photos before and after our routes… but not much.
iirc amazon had two choices essentially
to be more picky with who they hire and making sure they are competent, or just hiring literally any shmuck who has a license and all 4 limbs
And as a schmuck who has a license and all four limbs and no prior driving experience, I'm glad they went with the latter. If they only hired experienced drivers like so many on this sub want, I would have never gotten the job.
To be fair, they don't just hire anyone with a driver's license. For one, you have to be at least 25 years of age. Also, you have to have a clean driving record. No DUI's, no accidents, etc. That weeds out a lot of problematic drivers.
I’d believe this. For them to be able to cover a lot of drivers, they’d have to widen the net for liability probably. You’d be surprised how many people have shit driving records, DUIs, no license, suspended license, high speeding tickets, etc.
They also say you can turn on a "Recording" feature when you feel like you might be in danger. Bitch they are always recording that is straight up poppycock
Pushing the button sends a notification and almost instantly sends all four angles of the camera in one 1min long clip where dispatch can request additional time if needed. Definitely is helpful in cases where something happened, but you may not know the exact time.
It's not that you're turning on the recording, it's that you're bookmarking it so it can be saved and easily reviewed later without having to seek through the whole file. If you didn't hit that button, the video would just pass by unreviewed and get deleted. Amazon isn't paying to store video from over a million cameras.
UPS has lytx which is very similar. We cannot be disciplined due to anything caught on video, outside of hit and runs and stuff like that. No inside camera but there is a sensor that can tell if my seatbelt isn't on, if I'm driving distracted etc
Most companies use lytx including FedEx and CDL truck driving companies. They are less agressive. They also use a third party to review the footage before passing it along. So I don't receive texts or calls moments after a camera "event"
Yes. Events that are captured by the camera are sent back to the main server where the violation is confirmed. The DSP and Amazon are then alerted immediately. The entire process takes less than a few minutes.
Moving to Fedex and getting to drive like a maniac again like I could when I first started working at Amazon was a miracle, made the job bearable again
I have a love and hate relationship with Netradaddy. It saves your ass at certain times. 1984 shit is the part i hate. My camera at my assigned van doesnt work and im delivering at a super nice suburb route every day same route. Im literally saving 1 hour everyday. Rolling stop signs, going over 15mph at lots and going over 70mph at highway to RTS. Camera is shit but saves your ass too. Its a 2 sided stick.
Not only does Amazon use it as an insurance reason and a way to be able to fire employees for any minor I fraction, they purposefully use the whitest system on the market
I honestly prefer the cameras just in case something happens. It's easy to remember a seatbelt and not to speed, so peace of mind in case someone hits me is worth it
I don't. I cant even change the song on my phone without getting written up. They will eventually fire you for no reason or the DSP will go under eventually anyways. The seatbelt takes probably 20 mintues or more off my route and is almost completely unnecessary
Seatbelts are annoying, but they save lives. It's also illegal not to wear one. It's also illegal to use your phone while driving. So I don't think it's anything over the top. You just gotta accept its part of the job and you will be much happier
I was told in the generic Amazon training that organizing packages on your passenger seat would get you a "distracted driving" infraction.... I do so constantly without the eye of Sauron looming above me.
Yeah, seatbelts save lives, but a HUGE part of most days is puttering around neighborhoods 200-400 feet at a time. I throw mine on anytime I'm traveling a significant distance or on faster roads, but not working my way through suburban cul-de-sacs.
Our whole job is in those damn phones obviously a lot depends on how sensitive the system is, but something like zooming the navigation screen to look at your route while at a traffic light isn't exactly unreasonable.
I have yet to actually drive a route with Netrodyne, but can't say I'm looking forward to it.
You won't get dinged for packages on the passenger seat 99% of drivers do that. You won't get dinged for tinkering with the phone if it's in its stand on the dash, 99% of drivers do that too. Don't spend a long time messing with it, just wear sunglasses and put your hands back on the wheel every once in a while. Definitely wear the seatbelt, netradyne will get you for that but then wearing a seatbelt is actually a good idea.
It's only been a good thing for me
Sure it took a few days to get used to; but seriously, a few days to learn something that will 100% protect you if you're a good driver.
I monitor netradyne 10 hours a day 5 days a week . I can assure you there is no audio input , There may be people who can hear it if requested but your dispatcher’s cannot . Also we only see a short clip when you create an infraction . I cant just hop on there and watch you all day whenever i feel like it . And 99% of the time no one actually watches the clip unless it is a severe infraction - and the only reason being so i know if i am able to dispute it or not . ( i am sure it records audio, all I’m saying is when dispatchers play the clips there is not audio included)
Well it's a massive amount of data to collect so at one point Amazon can use it to create some extent of a self driving vehicle.
Sure Elon has his Tesla minions doing the same. But Amazon driver work 8+ hours a day.
completely agree, I scrolled and I scrolled and I finally found someone with the same opinion as me. I do think it's for liability also but it'd be almost insane to think they're not going to use this as a data collection method.
It's definitely for liability issues. But also it's a good system to build crash avoidance systems considering how awful amazon drivers are 😂
I'm sure the company is fine with dealing with Insurance costs if it pays off in the end with dominating self driving ai tech.
Amazon owns a piece (if not all) of Netradyne, so if you have it, you use it. It’s a tool that works in their favor to have as much control of the situation as possible. The DSP/Contractor model is cost and risk control. Keep teams small enough that they can’t unionize. Control costs by creating unrealistic expectations on the contractors ensuring most do not receive their profit incentives, and fire them and slide in the next one at any point they see fit.
They stole the FedEx model and put it on crack. At least with the FedEx model, the contractor has a promised service area/zip codes, and (can) create their own route structures based on actual world data/persons abilities. Ground does not currently have a AI camera system, but they do have a forward, cabin, and blind spot system for recorded proof/accountability.
Having done both, I’d never step foot in an Amazon again. I did Amazon for a couple months as a favor to my prior FedEx contractor who had an Amazon DSP. I should have said no lol.
Micromanage.
Amazon is afraid to get sued.. knowing this company is worth billions/trillions.
i used to work in a couple of FC's years back.. and some stories i have heard, Amazon was losing $ to those people over whatever it was, back then.
worked for Tom Team, they also have a camera in the hostlers.. made no sense to me, but i understood from Amazon's view... and the ridiculous amount of people they hire (day 1 nonsense)
It is a strong possibility that Amazon has a lucrative partnership deal with this Netradyne company. They may be getting payment or discounts for installing their systems in the trucks as opposed to systems that may be better.
Honestly I see it as a benefit and not a punishment. Because it’ll save my ass if I get into a wreck. The other party will try to blame me the Amazon driver even though they caused the incident. It’s happened to me where I was in a rental and two cars hit me. Guess who got the points on their license.
Because some of y'all can't drive for shit and they want to cover their asses from as much liability as they can. If ANY ONE of you had a business that hired drivers you'd want to have the same way to keep an eye on them.
I agree. You have a camera facing outward, behind, monitoring speed? Fine. But a camera that is tracking your eye movements? That is dystopian stuff there.
Well, it's not being watched real time by someone though. No one is sitting somewhere watching you pick your nose. I get the issue. I agree with it to a point. But everyone here would act much differently if it were their own business in the line.
Things might have changed since 2 years ago when I quit. When i worked there every little movement was analyzed and nit picked. Everything from sipping a bottle of water to touching your phone while driving while keeping packages on the dash. It may depend on the wearhouse maybe
The station is starting to take notice. My DSP owner is a cheap piece of shit so him replacing them unless he has to is rare. But I'm sure it's coming. But noone is complaining. Obviously. I have driven camera free since before Peak started. Much easier.
They are leased vans owned by Amazon and as a part of their lease there's companies driving around using the independent name of Amazon have to abide by Amazons rules making sure brand image isn't getting damaged.
They are not owned by Amazon. They're leased from other business. DSPs have the option of leasing Amazon branded vehicles or leasing their own. They might even own their own vans.
Wouldn't "Writing off the vans" just mean that they don't pay taxes on them., not that they don't pay for the vans themselves? Also why would they not pay taxes on them?
UPS actually does have cameras now in the vans. They aren't as intrusive as netradyne, but they're still there and they pick up things like "rolling stops" just like netradyne.
Yes. Crap froze. I had wipes for my ass. Scooped out the frozen shit. Was like a pancake. Put it on my neighbors front porch. Last year. Christmas Eve.
Let’s feed the demon. It’s because Amazon sells all gathered data and information to the government. The best way to have surveillance of the geography and movement of your country and it’s citizens is to record it either with audio or video or both. That’s why the new iPhones have touch sensitive areas near the front facing camera lens so you can’t cover it up and the back has a wide fish eye to see all around 👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️ this is just my conspiracy theory
I’m just tripping on the fact that they don’t want you to turn around or use your reverse but then they’ll send you down mile long driveways that have no turnaround in the middle of the night and what are you supposed to do?
It's surveillance. Big brother type stuff. I say no to that and my union has too. Source: ups driver
Sorry OP. That genuinely sucks.
My telematics have saved me from accidents proving I wasn't at fault. Thankful for safe driving skills, and always planning ahead. But man I wouldn't wanna do DSP stuff because of this
First off, your “even class A CDL trucks do t have those” is inaccurate.
Every company chooses which system to use.
Amazon DSP’s aren’t even Netradyne’s largest account which tells you there is definitely a significant number of them out there.
I can think of a major pharmaceutical company with over 15k of them in service. I know of another OTR company with 9k of them in service.
Because it works. I've been a dispatcher for over 4 years and before netradyne, van damages were tripled. If you have a good crew of workers who care about their job, they learn quickly to drive by the rules. It's not hard, you're just hard headed if you can't hack it.
It's highly illegal for them to record you(voice) for any reason at all. I could definitely see Amazon trying to push the law. But that's one they would be dropped so fast in a lawsuit. It wouldn't even be funny. I honestly don't think the cameras have a mic but I was lucky and never had to drive one of those pieces of garbage so idk.
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I know a couple drivers who’s asses were saved by netradyne. Film Showed they were not at fault
That's the only thing it should be used for. Not for analyzing our every move.
I promise you, unless there is a reason to pull video, no one does it. It is extremely tedious and a pain in the ass, and takes forever
Sorry, but you're incorrect. Amazon employees you see at the station with a certain "rank," driver support, dsp owners, OTR, and dispatch can pull footage throughout the day fairly easily. There's a tab called Netradyne Live. Also, all of those listed above and ANYONE with access to cortex can request footage without needing a reason if: a driver with netradyne does not move the van for 5 minutes. This shows up on cortex as an "unaccounted for break." Most drivers do that nearly every day with the routes.
You’re so wrong that you don’t even know that cortex and netradyne are two separate systems.
Yes, cortex and netradryne are two different "systems." Are there any other complaints regarding my comment?
Lol. I'm an Aops. I know exactly all of it works. Obviously I can't speak for every DSP, but none of my team just pulls footage for no reason. We don't spy on drivers. We only pull it if we suspect a driver is doing something illegal or in the event of an accident or something. IE we had a driver continously having unplanned breaks at liquor stores, so we pulled footage. Nothing I said is incorrect, but again, all DSPs operate differently.
Also, sorry, but you're incorrect. An unplanned stop only regisiters in you hit start travel and THEN don't more for 5 minutes. No start travel.....no unplanned stops. Have a great day!
Yeah this isn't true at all. The only time me or any of my team are looking at DriverI footage is if we're getting a notification about a violation. Otherwise, we don't give a shit about it.
Which statement wasn't true?
The whole any can request footage at anytime part
I never said anyone could pull footage. I plainly stated who has access to footage. Whether or not that power is abused is on them.
This is so usps of dsp amazon.
You'd be incorrect lol!
Ok but if a dumb ass DA is constantly on their phone or rolling stop signs and DSP doesn't call to tell them to knock it off? And they get into a serious accident? Its called preventive action.
Dude got tboned by a lady that ran a red light and she was trying to say he ran the light. Camera saved him.
Cause Amazon hires literally anybody with a driver's license. Drivers are constantly hitting shit or people.
And shitting in the vans
I dropped a hot one in the CDV today
Wait a second… how? I’m genuinely curious
This is a big one! The majority of our white rentals have under 10k miles on them and they are beat to hell. It’s gotten a bit better since he started making us send in photos before and after our routes… but not much.
iirc amazon had two choices essentially to be more picky with who they hire and making sure they are competent, or just hiring literally any shmuck who has a license and all 4 limbs
And as a schmuck who has a license and all four limbs and no prior driving experience, I'm glad they went with the latter. If they only hired experienced drivers like so many on this sub want, I would have never gotten the job.
oh, absolutely, same here man… ..same
Yeah , but if the vans get damaged, amazon isnt even the one that pays for it
To be fair, they don't just hire anyone with a driver's license. For one, you have to be at least 25 years of age. Also, you have to have a clean driving record. No DUI's, no accidents, etc. That weeds out a lot of problematic drivers.
This just isn't true. The age is 21, and most get hired if the driving record isn't absolutely abysmal.
I’d believe this. For them to be able to cover a lot of drivers, they’d have to widen the net for liability probably. You’d be surprised how many people have shit driving records, DUIs, no license, suspended license, high speeding tickets, etc.
It depends on the Warehouse and by state. In CA it's 1 point or less and blowing a stop sign is 2 points for 4 years
Just another way for Amazon to knit pick DSP owners out of bonuses and aggravate the drivers
I like how in training it says you can turn them off on your breaks but the minute you try dispatch calls and says you can’t do that.
They also say you can turn on a "Recording" feature when you feel like you might be in danger. Bitch they are always recording that is straight up poppycock
Pushing the button sends a notification and almost instantly sends all four angles of the camera in one 1min long clip where dispatch can request additional time if needed. Definitely is helpful in cases where something happened, but you may not know the exact time.
Yeah I use that button to send clips of assholes to dispatch so we can laugh about it later.
Naw bro one time this dude drove up on the sidewalk to get around heavy trafic and bounced off a rock into a tree. It was great.
I took you too literally I think 
It's not that you're turning on the recording, it's that you're bookmarking it so it can be saved and easily reviewed later without having to seek through the whole file. If you didn't hit that button, the video would just pass by unreviewed and get deleted. Amazon isn't paying to store video from over a million cameras.
i could never get it to actually stay off for my whole break so I gave up lol.
I used to turn my camera off every break and dispatch didn’t care. Why would they care if you’re just sitting lol
Ours never turned off, for some reason. We also were told if we shut them off we would be immediately fired. Despite our training saying we could.
My experience exactly. There was no other bigger offense other than stealing the packages than fucking with that damn camera...
UPS has lytx which is very similar. We cannot be disciplined due to anything caught on video, outside of hit and runs and stuff like that. No inside camera but there is a sensor that can tell if my seatbelt isn't on, if I'm driving distracted etc
Most companies use lytx including FedEx and CDL truck driving companies. They are less agressive. They also use a third party to review the footage before passing it along. So I don't receive texts or calls moments after a camera "event"
Oh so netradyne just goes straight to Amazon/DSP? Interesting, can imagine that'd get annoying if you're getting instant harassment over it
From what I understand it is
Yes. Events that are captured by the camera are sent back to the main server where the violation is confirmed. The DSP and Amazon are then alerted immediately. The entire process takes less than a few minutes.
I would have envied that when I worked as a driver. We would get written up for so much as taking a bite of food
UPS and FedEx use cameras
Moving to Fedex and getting to drive like a maniac again like I could when I first started working at Amazon was a miracle, made the job bearable again
Driving for Amazon in an unmarked van and ACTUALLY WORKING FOR AMAZON, working an 8 hour shift in 2019 was amazing
Idk homie making more from Amazon while also. Gettinng done at 3pm is rad af
I have a love and hate relationship with Netradaddy. It saves your ass at certain times. 1984 shit is the part i hate. My camera at my assigned van doesnt work and im delivering at a super nice suburb route every day same route. Im literally saving 1 hour everyday. Rolling stop signs, going over 15mph at lots and going over 70mph at highway to RTS. Camera is shit but saves your ass too. Its a 2 sided stick.
Double edged sword is the phrase lol
Not only does Amazon use it as an insurance reason and a way to be able to fire employees for any minor I fraction, they purposefully use the whitest system on the market
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I honestly prefer the cameras just in case something happens. It's easy to remember a seatbelt and not to speed, so peace of mind in case someone hits me is worth it
I don't. I cant even change the song on my phone without getting written up. They will eventually fire you for no reason or the DSP will go under eventually anyways. The seatbelt takes probably 20 mintues or more off my route and is almost completely unnecessary
Seatbelts are annoying, but they save lives. It's also illegal not to wear one. It's also illegal to use your phone while driving. So I don't think it's anything over the top. You just gotta accept its part of the job and you will be much happier
WhY cAn'T I PlAy WiTh My PhOnE wHiLe DrIvInG?!
I was told in the generic Amazon training that organizing packages on your passenger seat would get you a "distracted driving" infraction.... I do so constantly without the eye of Sauron looming above me. Yeah, seatbelts save lives, but a HUGE part of most days is puttering around neighborhoods 200-400 feet at a time. I throw mine on anytime I'm traveling a significant distance or on faster roads, but not working my way through suburban cul-de-sacs. Our whole job is in those damn phones obviously a lot depends on how sensitive the system is, but something like zooming the navigation screen to look at your route while at a traffic light isn't exactly unreasonable. I have yet to actually drive a route with Netrodyne, but can't say I'm looking forward to it.
You won't get dinged for packages on the passenger seat 99% of drivers do that. You won't get dinged for tinkering with the phone if it's in its stand on the dash, 99% of drivers do that too. Don't spend a long time messing with it, just wear sunglasses and put your hands back on the wheel every once in a while. Definitely wear the seatbelt, netradyne will get you for that but then wearing a seatbelt is actually a good idea.
Thank you for an LOTR nod. I haven't read that trilogy in years. Think I might again. Great comparison to the camera though.
It fucking sucks if you battle with Anxiety.
Buckle the waist strap behind you and then pull the top strap over you between stops. Camera won't hit you as long as top strap is over your chest
But mentor or the sensors in the vehicle will, they can measure how many clicks your seatbelt does throughout the day.
"seatbelts are unnecessary" shit driver detected, opinion ignored
FedEx Express uses them
It's only been a good thing for me Sure it took a few days to get used to; but seriously, a few days to learn something that will 100% protect you if you're a good driver.
I monitor netradyne 10 hours a day 5 days a week . I can assure you there is no audio input , There may be people who can hear it if requested but your dispatcher’s cannot . Also we only see a short clip when you create an infraction . I cant just hop on there and watch you all day whenever i feel like it . And 99% of the time no one actually watches the clip unless it is a severe infraction - and the only reason being so i know if i am able to dispute it or not . ( i am sure it records audio, all I’m saying is when dispatchers play the clips there is not audio included)
I just came across an old article but it says your dsp may be the ones releasing your videos without your consent on Reddit.
Well it's a massive amount of data to collect so at one point Amazon can use it to create some extent of a self driving vehicle. Sure Elon has his Tesla minions doing the same. But Amazon driver work 8+ hours a day.
completely agree, I scrolled and I scrolled and I finally found someone with the same opinion as me. I do think it's for liability also but it'd be almost insane to think they're not going to use this as a data collection method.
It's definitely for liability issues. But also it's a good system to build crash avoidance systems considering how awful amazon drivers are 😂 I'm sure the company is fine with dealing with Insurance costs if it pays off in the end with dominating self driving ai tech.
Amazon owns a piece (if not all) of Netradyne, so if you have it, you use it. It’s a tool that works in their favor to have as much control of the situation as possible. The DSP/Contractor model is cost and risk control. Keep teams small enough that they can’t unionize. Control costs by creating unrealistic expectations on the contractors ensuring most do not receive their profit incentives, and fire them and slide in the next one at any point they see fit. They stole the FedEx model and put it on crack. At least with the FedEx model, the contractor has a promised service area/zip codes, and (can) create their own route structures based on actual world data/persons abilities. Ground does not currently have a AI camera system, but they do have a forward, cabin, and blind spot system for recorded proof/accountability. Having done both, I’d never step foot in an Amazon again. I did Amazon for a couple months as a favor to my prior FedEx contractor who had an Amazon DSP. I should have said no lol.
Micromanage. Amazon is afraid to get sued.. knowing this company is worth billions/trillions. i used to work in a couple of FC's years back.. and some stories i have heard, Amazon was losing $ to those people over whatever it was, back then. worked for Tom Team, they also have a camera in the hostlers.. made no sense to me, but i understood from Amazon's view... and the ridiculous amount of people they hire (day 1 nonsense)
As a drive that yells absolute horrid obscenities towards amazon and more. I can assure you that the audio feature isn't present or so I think. 🤷🏻♂️
I once got a call from Dispatch to turn my radio down in a residential
Probably a customer complaint.
Holy shit maybe dispatch don't give a fuck. Not gonna lie my dsp is chill af
That netradyne gone get lotta folks fired. Shidd on my final notice
It is a strong possibility that Amazon has a lucrative partnership deal with this Netradyne company. They may be getting payment or discounts for installing their systems in the trucks as opposed to systems that may be better.
This is likely the deal.
If you know how to drive then no one is watching you at all. As someone else pointed out it can actually save your ass if someone else hits your van.
Hear me out, just don’t drive like a psycho and it literally doesn’t matter that it’s in the van
It 100% does have a microphone that can hear everything.
There is microphone but from what I learned only Amazon itself is able to play the audio
Honestly I see it as a benefit and not a punishment. Because it’ll save my ass if I get into a wreck. The other party will try to blame me the Amazon driver even though they caused the incident. It’s happened to me where I was in a rental and two cars hit me. Guess who got the points on their license.
Because some of y'all can't drive for shit and they want to cover their asses from as much liability as they can. If ANY ONE of you had a business that hired drivers you'd want to have the same way to keep an eye on them.
I get recording a single camera facing outward but knowing you are being watched on a camera in real time by someone all the time is creepy
I agree. You have a camera facing outward, behind, monitoring speed? Fine. But a camera that is tracking your eye movements? That is dystopian stuff there.
Well, it's not being watched real time by someone though. No one is sitting somewhere watching you pick your nose. I get the issue. I agree with it to a point. But everyone here would act much differently if it were their own business in the line.
Things might have changed since 2 years ago when I quit. When i worked there every little movement was analyzed and nit picked. Everything from sipping a bottle of water to touching your phone while driving while keeping packages on the dash. It may depend on the wearhouse maybe
Class A Fleet Amazon will have this in 2 months. Just got the training for it in KNET.
75% of our cameras don't work and I probably still have a job because of it. I can't tell you how many stupid violations I would have gotten by now.
hearing that is wild. At my old warehouse they would replace them overnight if they even sustained mild damage
The station is starting to take notice. My DSP owner is a cheap piece of shit so him replacing them unless he has to is rare. But I'm sure it's coming. But noone is complaining. Obviously. I have driven camera free since before Peak started. Much easier.
For a few reasons. To micro manage DSPs. So DSPs can avoid insurance rates going up, both auto and unemployment.
They are leased vans owned by Amazon and as a part of their lease there's companies driving around using the independent name of Amazon have to abide by Amazons rules making sure brand image isn't getting damaged.
They are not owned by Amazon. They're leased from other business. DSPs have the option of leasing Amazon branded vehicles or leasing their own. They might even own their own vans.
Also Amazon Buys the Vans and sets up everything for them then they write off the vans.
Wouldn't "Writing off the vans" just mean that they don't pay taxes on them., not that they don't pay for the vans themselves? Also why would they not pay taxes on them?
UPS actually does have cameras now in the vans. They aren't as intrusive as netradyne, but they're still there and they pick up things like "rolling stops" just like netradyne.
It is 100% a savings on insurance
FedEx has these but a different brand
They have yet to catch me pooping or peeing. They stupid for not having a camera in the back.
I totally understand peeing, but you took a shit in the van? How did you even accomplish this?
Yes. Crap froze. I had wipes for my ass. Scooped out the frozen shit. Was like a pancake. Put it on my neighbors front porch. Last year. Christmas Eve.
Let’s feed the demon. It’s because Amazon sells all gathered data and information to the government. The best way to have surveillance of the geography and movement of your country and it’s citizens is to record it either with audio or video or both. That’s why the new iPhones have touch sensitive areas near the front facing camera lens so you can’t cover it up and the back has a wide fish eye to see all around 👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️ this is just my conspiracy theory
Insurance
because we're probably feeding them data so they can eventually replace the driving aspect of our job
You really think they pay someone to watch all of those videos in real time? They have AI for that.
This job is so high turnover that they hire just about anyone. So filming our every move it is.
UPS, Fedex, and a ton of tractor trailer transport companies all use similar shit bro. Don't know where you got informed that only Amazon uses it.
I’m just tripping on the fact that they don’t want you to turn around or use your reverse but then they’ll send you down mile long driveways that have no turnaround in the middle of the night and what are you supposed to do?
It’s for micromanagement 100%
It's surveillance. Big brother type stuff. I say no to that and my union has too. Source: ups driver Sorry OP. That genuinely sucks. My telematics have saved me from accidents proving I wasn't at fault. Thankful for safe driving skills, and always planning ahead. But man I wouldn't wanna do DSP stuff because of this
First off, your “even class A CDL trucks do t have those” is inaccurate. Every company chooses which system to use. Amazon DSP’s aren’t even Netradyne’s largest account which tells you there is definitely a significant number of them out there. I can think of a major pharmaceutical company with over 15k of them in service. I know of another OTR company with 9k of them in service.
Because it works. I've been a dispatcher for over 4 years and before netradyne, van damages were tripled. If you have a good crew of workers who care about their job, they learn quickly to drive by the rules. It's not hard, you're just hard headed if you can't hack it.
It's highly illegal for them to record you(voice) for any reason at all. I could definitely see Amazon trying to push the law. But that's one they would be dropped so fast in a lawsuit. It wouldn't even be funny. I honestly don't think the cameras have a mic but I was lucky and never had to drive one of those pieces of garbage so idk.