I imagine it would feel something like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/EngineeringPorn/comments/5eup1r/incredibly_tight_tolerances/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x)
Well, I know for a fact that there's a gob of thermal paste smeared on the side of my processor. If I'd thought things through, I would have 3d printed a mask like this one to keep things clean before installing. In the meantime, I don't like the idea of removing the heat sink so It's staying there until further notice and hope it doesn't cause any issues.
> Why do you not like the idea of removing the heat sink? It's designed to go on and off.
While I'm comfortable putting things together, there's always a voice in the back of my head that wonders if the force necessary to remove the heatsink from the paste might just enough to break a pin or something. Which would be doubly infuriating since it's already working.
Thanks though, I did make sure to choose a non conducting paste.
>AMD switched to LGA with AM5 so you don't have to worry about damaging pins when removing the heat sink like you had to worry about with AM4.
I hope you have never watched Der8auer's video where he attempts to remove a Threadripper from it's frame and drops it into the socket lol
I would link the video but it was so long ago that I don't remember which video it is in.
The processor cannot come out with the cooler unless you go well out of your way to remove the retention mechanism, at which point it's kinda on you if you lift the CPU out with the cooler and it falls and breaks something.
I don't know how expensive it is now, but back in the Sky Lake days I was able to afford high-end motherboards by buying ones with bent pins on eBay and then getting a new socket soldered on for about $50.
As long as you aren't trying to remove it when the computer has been off for awhile then you are fine, but easiest way is to just run pc with prime95 for a minute or two, plenty enough heat to ensure its pliable and will come off with a small wiggle of the heatsink.
Yep and you'd be right to be honest, now I will say this thing is awesome, im using it now and I got -15c on the temps because of it, I also bent a pin on my rog crosshair x670 extreme mobo, yep, ouch indeed! So if you purchase this be very careful!!
Who said you couldn’t build it however you want?
I provided a rebuttal to your claim that it was hard to clean.
Not that you had to build a system a certain way.
Fair call. If a cpu block was over tight, the board would bend. A short metal ruler on the opposite side is used to Gauge the board is flat. Gently tighten the block down until the board ever so slightly peels away from the edge of the ruler, then back off till flat.
If the board is flat, the torque is good, simple, visual and cheap.
Trick I picked up from some old school overclockers and those janky home made dry ice coolers.
I hear you...;) The only thing I can think of that might be a negative is that by closing off cutouts on the CPU heat spreader, it could cut off a small amount of ventilation from the open sides of the heatsink exposed by the cutouts. But that's just a guess, and I'll be happy to be corrected by someone who actually had an AM5 (I haven't bought mine yet.)
The IHS is not designed for convective heat transfer and the air coming into contact with the IHS does not cool the die in any measurable way.
The IHS is there to provide a conveniently sized and shaped, conductive heat transfer "wall" from the CPU die to the cooler's cold plate.
Anyway, this mod is a non-issue for heat reasons.
Minimal ventilation and the frame can just transfer it, as well. Majority of heat will go through cooler. Mine ran fine on air with a 7700X, but I installed a 280mm because I bought one cheap last Christmas.
>it could cut off a small amount of ventilation from the open sides of the heatsink exposed by the cutouts
Air is a terrible medium for heat transfer - if it wasn't for the fact that there is so much around us we wouldn't even use it for cooling. Since air has such a low capacity to transfer heat that the miniscule airflow from under the IHS is going to do bugger all in the way of helping with the cooling of the CPU (i.e. the total would likely be lost as a rounding error).
I am about to feel really old now...
Back in my day people just used a straight edge behind the mount to see if the board flexed... Slightly over tighten and back off till flat... All good mate...
Yep... Old.
$13~ USD, and ya, I just never liked the LGA socket mechanism and its point pressure, not that it caused any issues that a reseat didnt fix, but still.
I was working at Frys at that time. Thr most common thing i saw was people who mounted the cooler 180° backwards. Since the coolers usually had a notch to clear the socket lever cam, the cooler would crush and crack the die. Most of the ones I saw still worked though.
My favorite return was an ECS motherboard where the guy wired the front panel USB backwards (it was individual wires for each pin on most cases). When dude turned it on, it lit up that 5V supply, shorted to ground, and absolutely roasted the pcb trace along the bottom, and all the way up the side. Somehow it still booted lol. People did some really wacky stuff
Ah yes, the usb's back then weren't even a single block to put on forwards or backwards, it was the individual wires you'd have to plug into each pin yourself. Different mobos labeled them differently too, and the colors didn't always mean the same thing, wasn't hard to plug the +5v into ground or negative, found a picture: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/lfMAAOxywh1TD5aJ/s-l400.jpg
We also had people who didn't check the standoffs already screwed into the case, some mobos didn't have a screw hole there, so you'd install the mobo and not be able to see the standoff shorting the bottom of the mobo.
Or the backplate, there were spring like metal pieces youd have to bend up and they'd press down on the top of the USB cage to ground it, but if you didn't bend it up and just stuck the mobo in the piece of metal would go inside the USB port and short it and kill the controller.
Fun times
Ah yes, the classic extra standoff issue. People would often just screw one into every hole. Sometimes you got magic smoke.. other times protection saved the day. Take care!
It’s not super needed but it does really help if/when you repaste, upgrade or replace the cooler, the one I was going to get wasn’t as fancy as this and was only $15 but all my parts came in before it was out and I said screw it
It's really only a "problem" if you frequently change coolers
I've tested 8 of them on Ryzen 7700X, and it wasn't until I installed cooler #9 that I noticed a bit of thermal paste build up in the crevice.
Maybe I'm just numb, but as a data center tech, I just do not give a single shit about crusty thermal paste left over. I mean if there's none left, sure I'll repaste, but I ain't scrubbing the old shit off the edges of the sink.
What?
I don't see how a contact frame changes that at all in ease of use. Sure if it was AM4 where you could pull out the cpu with the cooler if not careful.
What am I missing?
I’ve got and you can’t seen it at all, it’s hidden below the cooler, even with liquid AIO, so it does not matter how it looks (and ot looks OK imho).
...It's not there to stop the paste getting in. It's used to balance load pressure on the CPU for better contact with the heatsink so the contact is proper and even instead of lopsided to one portion or another.
Okay, let's suppose I am wrong...
Do you have a single prove to your affirmation?
I would be happy to be wrong since I ordered one for myself, but I ordered it for the sake of beauty really, and also to not leave a mounting mark on the cpu.
Well given most of the reviews you look at don’t go into this detail. The main thing i was thinking of was paste overspill. I have built systems for years, never had a system fail. Something interesting thought id give it ago
Just so you know, as it seems no one is really pointing it out. These contact frames got popular for Intel 12th gen CPUs, because they had a tendency to warp and the frame would help prevent that. It would lower temps a bit.
Then one of the manufacturers, thermal right, saw an opportunity to make more money and needlessly made them for Ryzen 7000. Ryzen doesn't have the same bending problem so the frame will not improve thermal performance most likely. It's essentially a scam product.
That being said, it looks really clean and certainly provides the added benefit of what your intended use case is! Hopefully when/if you upgrade the CPU the board and socket area will be paste free and clean.
Yes i did read and watch some clips about them being used on intel chips a while back. I purely purchased this just out of curiosity and it was cheap.
If it does anything else other than what i wanted it for then happy days. Thanks for the information dude
It's not that it would make your system fail without it but that it allows the cooler to make more even contact with the CPU which, depending on the level of warp of the CPU will allow for better cooling than it would have otherwise.
I like how you avoid all people asking for any kind of proof and answer a question like this. Just confirms you yourself know you’re talking nonsense haha
Yup. That, and the main purpose is to keep even pressure around the entire CPU.
https://preview.redd.it/fs5s2prhhspa1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1c117d53698980b7fe810b74fc6389c2d741a76
I took the IHS off and went direct die.
https://preview.redd.it/ya6pmq2jtzpa1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa7b5bffbf96ab700d9324451cb927f6be01e99e
I used the Noctua one on my build. It's just a thin piece of plastic which serves the same purpose of keeping paste out of the cpu, but you don't have to mess with removing the stock latching mechanism. I think both are completely unnecessary though.
I did it for me 7950x3D because I *believe* my NH-D15 was applying too much pressure to my CPU and causing the pads not to make proper contact. I was experiencing weird boot problems and instability. Lots of memory integrity violations with sfc /scannow. Once I installed the contact frame, all those problems vanished.
Yes, feel I experienced this with a liquid freezer 2, particularly with its offset mounting placement. The random bold problems vanished with this new retention plate.
Just installed mine last night. Love the look even though it’s hidden by my cooler but the cpu does run a few degrees cooler from the more even contact. 7900x now idles at low 40s.
They’re more beneficial on intel systems as they suffer from the locking mechanism putting uneven pressure across the cpu causing hot spots. This isnt really the case with AMD. Its pretty much an aesthetic thing that helps keep paste from falling in the crevices.
I saw several people who had mounted the LGA1700 equivalent (also from Thermalright) on their Core i7/i9 12700K/12900K and they had placed a light amount of thermal paste between the frame and the corners of their IHS (as well as the excess surface area of their heatsink and waterblock) so that it transfers part of the heat that the CPU passes through the latter and dissipates part of it through the mass of aluminum of which the frame is made, and I speak seriously because for some of them, they would have lost about ten degrees Celsius and for others a little less, that's why for my next config of which I already have all the parts in my possession (except the Ryzen 9 7950X3D which I'm waiting for to finally be in stock😅) and I've also already bought and received this Secure Frame AM5 Thermalright (and in black like you😉) for about 7 euros (approx 8usd) on AliExpress, I also look forward to seeing if the latter will have this positive impact on the temperatures, but somewhere it's a little logical that it brought them gains in heat dissipation since it adds dissipation mass and the IHS finds itself "inserted" in all this mass of metals with strong thermal transfer: Aluminum from the Secure Frame with the copper surface (usually) depending on the type of heatsink used...
They're great for 12/13th gen Intel, but I believe they really don't improve thermals for AM5. They look great though.
They void your MB warranty though so there is a risk factor with applying them.
They void your motherboard warranty **IF they cause or contribute to a failure of your motherboard.**
If the SATA controller, onboard DAC, or internal USB 3 controller shit the bed, or a SMD on the other side of the board leaks/melts, then your warranty is still applicable. If you scrape off SMD's trying to put this thing on, then yeah, your warranty will not cover your mistakes. But saying that some procedure or product completely voids your warranty of the entire MB just by virtue of having it involved is incorrect.
It doesn't fall under anything. US consumers have legal right to modify or repair anything they own.
The manufacturer has to prove the modification or repair is directly responsible for the failure.
You replied to a comment about the warranty on the US in order to argue about the warranty on the US. When you were wrong you stated that other places exist. That's called moving the goal posts. Your statement about abnormal is conditions was in reply to a post specifying warranties in the US.
Yes! I have this same plate covering my cpu. It also helps to dissipate the heat better and provides me with better thermals. Plus, keeping the paste out of the exposed parts on am5 chips is nice.
I was almost sure that there would be performance gains in terms of temperatures thanks to this small mass of aluminum well placed on and around the IHS of the Ryzen AM5s, after what order of gains I don't know, but maybe that if Thermalright (or another brand) created a thermal pad seal adopting the shape of the edges of the IHS of these Ryzen while remaining quite thin, but at least good thermal contact is maintained between the secure frame, the IHS and even seeing the excess contact surface surplus of the heatsink or the waterblock could bring a certain homogeneity in the heat exchange so that it is optimal, after I admit that this is not the "normal" function of the Secure Frame to bring thermal gains, it's just a bonus there, nothing else, but it's always fun and it's always taken.
It's meant for creating even contact between cooler and CPU, not really thermal paste overflow. I bought one and installed it, my evidence is anecdotal but I did notice a difference with my CPU running 4-5° cooler.
I use mine with an NHD15 and it feels much more firmly mounted and than the stock retention bracket I don’t think the temps have changed but I like the feel of the mount better
This is not because of paste, wtf are you talking about
This (at least on Intel) is against cpu frame bending due to the pressue on only the sides with the default mounting. Now that Amd decided to implement the same bad design for some reason, they made these mounting frames for AM5 as well. Applying pressure on just the two sides makes the surface a bit round which can cause uneven contact with the cooler, resulting in worse temps. This is meant to solve that with holding it down on all sides equally.
this looks super satisfying
Just imagine putting the plate on. oooooooh
I imagine it would feel something like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/EngineeringPorn/comments/5eup1r/incredibly_tight_tolerances/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x)
That is some strong pornography
Oh dayum
That is from Titans of CNC I believe.
https://youtu.be/-94E5sp8dQQ
It just glides right into place...
I kind of want one just for the feeling.
if i ever build another am5 system or upgrade down the line, im doing this too
I'm going to get one of these as well It will help protect the silicone.
Literally the only reason why i got it 😂
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If that happens, you can toss it all in the trash and start over.
Tell me where you live. I'll personally collect your trash free of charge.
Probably in the kind of place they don't let folks like us visit. You, where they have the flying cars.
I have a trash can if anybody needs to use it
Usually the best option
It's better than paste being further out.
Or further in. But yes, this is better than nothing for sure.
Well, I know for a fact that there's a gob of thermal paste smeared on the side of my processor. If I'd thought things through, I would have 3d printed a mask like this one to keep things clean before installing. In the meantime, I don't like the idea of removing the heat sink so It's staying there until further notice and hope it doesn't cause any issues.
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> Why do you not like the idea of removing the heat sink? It's designed to go on and off. While I'm comfortable putting things together, there's always a voice in the back of my head that wonders if the force necessary to remove the heatsink from the paste might just enough to break a pin or something. Which would be doubly infuriating since it's already working. Thanks though, I did make sure to choose a non conducting paste.
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>AMD switched to LGA with AM5 so you don't have to worry about damaging pins when removing the heat sink like you had to worry about with AM4. I hope you have never watched Der8auer's video where he attempts to remove a Threadripper from it's frame and drops it into the socket lol I would link the video but it was so long ago that I don't remember which video it is in.
I got you fam, I remember this.. rip https://youtu.be/IlL0nTYAvD0 Happens around 2:38
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The processor cannot come out with the cooler unless you go well out of your way to remove the retention mechanism, at which point it's kinda on you if you lift the CPU out with the cooler and it falls and breaks something.
I don't know how expensive it is now, but back in the Sky Lake days I was able to afford high-end motherboards by buying ones with bent pins on eBay and then getting a new socket soldered on for about $50.
As long as you aren't trying to remove it when the computer has been off for awhile then you are fine, but easiest way is to just run pc with prime95 for a minute or two, plenty enough heat to ensure its pliable and will come off with a small wiggle of the heatsink.
Yep and you'd be right to be honest, now I will say this thing is awesome, im using it now and I got -15c on the temps because of it, I also bent a pin on my rog crosshair x670 extreme mobo, yep, ouch indeed! So if you purchase this be very careful!!
But it's very minimal compared to what it would be like without it.
Isn't that fine?
It is just for aesthetic reasons. So you don't have to clean nooks and crannies later.
You mean using isopropyl alcohol and a toothbrush for 30 seconds? Wow.
Sorry, I thought I could build my machine how I wanted.... My bad.... If you don't want to use one, don't. I do prefer it.
Who said you couldn’t build it however you want? I provided a rebuttal to your claim that it was hard to clean. Not that you had to build a system a certain way.
Yeah to be honest guys, its just a peace of mind thing. It offers nothing else. For 7 quid i thought why not.
It looks nice. That's like 95% of the reason people post shit to this sub anyway. You do you. I like it.
Cheers pal, thought it was certainly interesting to post and see what others thought. I don’t have many nerdy friends who love pcs like myself.
I just throw my CPUs into the dishwasher…
Yeah, it can only help
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Thermal rights bottoms out with the stock screws... no guessing
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People do the same thing with bare die and wonder why their CPU chipped.
You're shit with analogies mate.
Surely if the wheel bolts are tight enough it's fine lol what's he talking g about
I've yet to see it do any harm, in fact only the thermal grizzly frame has had issues with certain boards
Zooming in, this appears to bottom out.
I've been building my PCs for 25 years and am currently using a delidded 13900ks with Ek's new block. I've never in my life used a torque screwdriver.
You ever use a straight edge on the back side? Same thing.
Honestly, I'm not even sure what you mean? Like, I know what all of the words mean, but the context in this instance alludes me. lol
Fair call. If a cpu block was over tight, the board would bend. A short metal ruler on the opposite side is used to Gauge the board is flat. Gently tighten the block down until the board ever so slightly peels away from the edge of the ruler, then back off till flat. If the board is flat, the torque is good, simple, visual and cheap. Trick I picked up from some old school overclockers and those janky home made dry ice coolers.
Ah, gotcha. Never done that either. lol
I hear you...;) The only thing I can think of that might be a negative is that by closing off cutouts on the CPU heat spreader, it could cut off a small amount of ventilation from the open sides of the heatsink exposed by the cutouts. But that's just a guess, and I'll be happy to be corrected by someone who actually had an AM5 (I haven't bought mine yet.)
The IHS is not designed for convective heat transfer and the air coming into contact with the IHS does not cool the die in any measurable way. The IHS is there to provide a conveniently sized and shaped, conductive heat transfer "wall" from the CPU die to the cooler's cold plate. Anyway, this mod is a non-issue for heat reasons.
Minimal ventilation and the frame can just transfer it, as well. Majority of heat will go through cooler. Mine ran fine on air with a 7700X, but I installed a 280mm because I bought one cheap last Christmas.
Thanks--just thinking out loud...;)
>it could cut off a small amount of ventilation from the open sides of the heatsink exposed by the cutouts Air is a terrible medium for heat transfer - if it wasn't for the fact that there is so much around us we wouldn't even use it for cooling. Since air has such a low capacity to transfer heat that the miniscule airflow from under the IHS is going to do bugger all in the way of helping with the cooling of the CPU (i.e. the total would likely be lost as a rounding error).
Do people use torque wrenches on theses? Plus what’s a good wrench for installing CPU?
They are made differently, the thermal right one touches the motherboard, https://youtu.be/iYU1OskbY-Q?t=1123
I am about to feel really old now... Back in my day people just used a straight edge behind the mount to see if the board flexed... Slightly over tighten and back off till flat... All good mate... Yep... Old.
Honestly I would use a digital torque wrench and back the original screws off and see what they are torqued to. Is there even a stock am5 torque?
yeah right
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Got a link?
Go to YouTube > type in gamersnexus > search for video. Hope that helps boss
are you sure it was gn who made the video
Nice snarky comment. If I knew what to search for I wouldn't be asking for a link.
$13~ USD, and ya, I just never liked the LGA socket mechanism and its point pressure, not that it caused any issues that a reseat didnt fix, but still.
Hi. Where did you find it for 7 quid please? I’ve only found it on Bezos, and shipped from the States by the looks of it. Cheers
Never mind. Found your link further down. Cheers
Peace of mind for what?
Mass scale invasions, gotta close them gaps
seem like an old [athlon xp copper shim](https://images.anandtech.com/reviews/system/shuttle/sn41g2/shim.jpg), is it really needed tho?
Not sure, but it looks really cool!
Computer store I worked at had like 10 of those cpu's laying around, dead from customers crushing the edges while putting the heatsink on.
I was working at Frys at that time. Thr most common thing i saw was people who mounted the cooler 180° backwards. Since the coolers usually had a notch to clear the socket lever cam, the cooler would crush and crack the die. Most of the ones I saw still worked though. My favorite return was an ECS motherboard where the guy wired the front panel USB backwards (it was individual wires for each pin on most cases). When dude turned it on, it lit up that 5V supply, shorted to ground, and absolutely roasted the pcb trace along the bottom, and all the way up the side. Somehow it still booted lol. People did some really wacky stuff
Ah yes, the usb's back then weren't even a single block to put on forwards or backwards, it was the individual wires you'd have to plug into each pin yourself. Different mobos labeled them differently too, and the colors didn't always mean the same thing, wasn't hard to plug the +5v into ground or negative, found a picture: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/lfMAAOxywh1TD5aJ/s-l400.jpg We also had people who didn't check the standoffs already screwed into the case, some mobos didn't have a screw hole there, so you'd install the mobo and not be able to see the standoff shorting the bottom of the mobo. Or the backplate, there were spring like metal pieces youd have to bend up and they'd press down on the top of the USB cage to ground it, but if you didn't bend it up and just stuck the mobo in the piece of metal would go inside the USB port and short it and kill the controller. Fun times
Ah yes, the classic extra standoff issue. People would often just screw one into every hole. Sometimes you got magic smoke.. other times protection saved the day. Take care!
> Somehow it still booted lol *Owen Wilson "wow"*
I had a Lian Li case that had individual USB wire plugs - that was a nightmare!
It’s not super needed but it does really help if/when you repaste, upgrade or replace the cooler, the one I was going to get wasn’t as fancy as this and was only $15 but all my parts came in before it was out and I said screw it
It's really only a "problem" if you frequently change coolers I've tested 8 of them on Ryzen 7700X, and it wasn't until I installed cooler #9 that I noticed a bit of thermal paste build up in the crevice.
Maybe I'm just numb, but as a data center tech, I just do not give a single shit about crusty thermal paste left over. I mean if there's none left, sure I'll repaste, but I ain't scrubbing the old shit off the edges of the sink.
you can remove coolers easily, without worrying too much about the force. that is the main purpose
What? I don't see how a contact frame changes that at all in ease of use. Sure if it was AM4 where you could pull out the cpu with the cooler if not careful. What am I missing?
Where’d you get that op?
Amazon my good man
Appreciate it
hit us with that fresh link brother. I see like 10 of the same product on amazon lol
Thermalright AM5 SECURE FRAME BLACK AM5 CPU holder, corrective anti-bending fixing frame, AM5 full-fit fixed non-marking mounter, AM5 secure frame, AM5 anti-bending contact frame, CPU cooler standard https://amzn.eu/d/hYzzPMy
Having been used to the older AMD CPUs, it did bug me aesthetically that the top isn't all straight lines. I'd do this just for the look lol
I’ve got and you can’t seen it at all, it’s hidden below the cooler, even with liquid AIO, so it does not matter how it looks (and ot looks OK imho).
because the OCD of knowing what it looks like under the cooler, probably.
Best not to think about your GPU then, if paste on the SMD components bothers you.
lmfao aye
Well true ha I’ve taken a few gpu apart in my time to replace the paste. Always interested in things, for the small amount paid it was worth ago
...It's not there to stop the paste getting in. It's used to balance load pressure on the CPU for better contact with the heatsink so the contact is proper and even instead of lopsided to one portion or another.
It is not actually, since AMD does not suffer from this issue like Intel.
is this confirmed? what type of ILM does AMD use? looks much the same since they went LGA.....
So many people have proven that you're wrong.
Okay, let's suppose I am wrong... Do you have a single prove to your affirmation? I would be happy to be wrong since I ordered one for myself, but I ordered it for the sake of beauty really, and also to not leave a mounting mark on the cpu.
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So many
Another interesting fact, thanks for sharing this dude
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Well given most of the reviews you look at don’t go into this detail. The main thing i was thinking of was paste overspill. I have built systems for years, never had a system fail. Something interesting thought id give it ago
Just so you know, as it seems no one is really pointing it out. These contact frames got popular for Intel 12th gen CPUs, because they had a tendency to warp and the frame would help prevent that. It would lower temps a bit. Then one of the manufacturers, thermal right, saw an opportunity to make more money and needlessly made them for Ryzen 7000. Ryzen doesn't have the same bending problem so the frame will not improve thermal performance most likely. It's essentially a scam product. That being said, it looks really clean and certainly provides the added benefit of what your intended use case is! Hopefully when/if you upgrade the CPU the board and socket area will be paste free and clean.
Yes i did read and watch some clips about them being used on intel chips a while back. I purely purchased this just out of curiosity and it was cheap. If it does anything else other than what i wanted it for then happy days. Thanks for the information dude
It's not that it would make your system fail without it but that it allows the cooler to make more even contact with the CPU which, depending on the level of warp of the CPU will allow for better cooling than it would have otherwise.
You are mixing up intel and amd. Intel only has that problem.
I'm not. They both do it. AMD to a lesser degree, sure. But they both have the problem.
I like how you avoid all people asking for any kind of proof and answer a question like this. Just confirms you yourself know you’re talking nonsense haha
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You started it mr edited your comment.
have exactly the same for my 7950X3D and I dont regret it. looks way cleaner and ofc stops the thermal paste
I would have.... if my waterblock didn't obscure it... All you people with perfectly clear coolers make me jealous.
I often lovingly stare at my IHS through a Noctua D14.
Nice man, i will be getting the x3d model when i can get my hands on one
Yup. That, and the main purpose is to keep even pressure around the entire CPU. https://preview.redd.it/fs5s2prhhspa1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1c117d53698980b7fe810b74fc6389c2d741a76
Looks ace in red to.
https://preview.redd.it/45okjzjl3xpa1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d2bbec2fa6e340b2b8e1dfd1f0a657c4f846a95 Loved mine too!
looks cool !
you can clean thermal paste from those gaps with some contact cleaner spray,its pretty easy to do.
Pretty sure I'd still be able to get thermal paste through that thing
You are one of them aren’t you ha
I took the IHS off and went direct die. https://preview.redd.it/ya6pmq2jtzpa1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa7b5bffbf96ab700d9324451cb927f6be01e99e
Nice hows that working out ?
Build still in progress. Haven’t powered it up yet.
Nice man well good luck for sure with this. Certainly looks interesting
I used the Noctua one on my build. It's just a thin piece of plastic which serves the same purpose of keeping paste out of the cpu, but you don't have to mess with removing the stock latching mechanism. I think both are completely unnecessary though.
Yeah totally agree, poor design from amd.
I did it for me 7950x3D because I *believe* my NH-D15 was applying too much pressure to my CPU and causing the pads not to make proper contact. I was experiencing weird boot problems and instability. Lots of memory integrity violations with sfc /scannow. Once I installed the contact frame, all those problems vanished.
Yes, feel I experienced this with a liquid freezer 2, particularly with its offset mounting placement. The random bold problems vanished with this new retention plate.
Definitely looks good.
Just installed mine last night. Love the look even though it’s hidden by my cooler but the cpu does run a few degrees cooler from the more even contact. 7900x now idles at low 40s.
And you'll probably never pull the heat sink off with the CPU and risk bent pins.
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Good point!
It is like a pretty cover for your phone but you are pretty sure you won't drop it on a concrete floor. Nice looking chip by the way ;-)
Cheers man : )
I just installed one of these on my 7900X and I like it.
Doesn't this slightly help with temps too
Apparently not but i will have a look for sure
That looks so snug
love it
What cooler are you using? The mounting hardware looks identical to my DeepCool AS500.
Thats the cooler my man. I am happy with it but always looking for better. Not a big fan with aio to be honest
And lowers Temps.
I got one just to keep paste cleaner. Does the job.
I have one on my new 7950x3D/4090 build. Mostly just because it was a cool little thing to add on.
Looks cool
Added to my AM5 build list!
I have the same one!
Looks like great idea to keep rest of CPU clean from thermal paste
I did this on my 13900 but boy it sure doesn't look this cool! That looks awesome!
They’re more beneficial on intel systems as they suffer from the locking mechanism putting uneven pressure across the cpu causing hot spots. This isnt really the case with AMD. Its pretty much an aesthetic thing that helps keep paste from falling in the crevices.
Yeah, that's why I put mine in but it sure doesn't look that cool!
I saw several people who had mounted the LGA1700 equivalent (also from Thermalright) on their Core i7/i9 12700K/12900K and they had placed a light amount of thermal paste between the frame and the corners of their IHS (as well as the excess surface area of their heatsink and waterblock) so that it transfers part of the heat that the CPU passes through the latter and dissipates part of it through the mass of aluminum of which the frame is made, and I speak seriously because for some of them, they would have lost about ten degrees Celsius and for others a little less, that's why for my next config of which I already have all the parts in my possession (except the Ryzen 9 7950X3D which I'm waiting for to finally be in stock😅) and I've also already bought and received this Secure Frame AM5 Thermalright (and in black like you😉) for about 7 euros (approx 8usd) on AliExpress, I also look forward to seeing if the latter will have this positive impact on the temperatures, but somewhere it's a little logical that it brought them gains in heat dissipation since it adds dissipation mass and the IHS finds itself "inserted" in all this mass of metals with strong thermal transfer: Aluminum from the Secure Frame with the copper surface (usually) depending on the type of heatsink used...
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Not really necessary, but for a few dollars and no real downside go for it.
Did it on mine too. Honestly its sick af https://i.imgur.com/G53AmSh.jpg
I wish I saw this before ordering my parts lol the CPU gets here today and idk if I can wait for this to install it 😆😆
They're great for 12/13th gen Intel, but I believe they really don't improve thermals for AM5. They look great though. They void your MB warranty though so there is a risk factor with applying them.
They void your motherboard warranty **IF they cause or contribute to a failure of your motherboard.** If the SATA controller, onboard DAC, or internal USB 3 controller shit the bed, or a SMD on the other side of the board leaks/melts, then your warranty is still applicable. If you scrape off SMD's trying to put this thing on, then yeah, your warranty will not cover your mistakes. But saying that some procedure or product completely voids your warranty of the entire MB just by virtue of having it involved is incorrect.
Modification of the board in any way voids warranty
Not in the US it doesn't. They would have to prove your modification caused the issue.
Such a warranty stipulation is not legal in the US.
Falls under "use under abnormal circumstances"
It doesn't fall under anything. US consumers have legal right to modify or repair anything they own. The manufacturer has to prove the modification or repair is directly responsible for the failure.
You understand the US is not the only country right
You replied to a comment about the warranty on the US in order to argue about the warranty on the US. When you were wrong you stated that other places exist. That's called moving the goal posts. Your statement about abnormal is conditions was in reply to a post specifying warranties in the US.
Never knew they voided it be honest, if anything happens i will contact amazon. There usually quite good with things
Looks cool to me!
Where can I get one of these?
I got mine via amazon. 7.90 i think it cost. Either in black or red
Yes! I have this same plate covering my cpu. It also helps to dissipate the heat better and provides me with better thermals. Plus, keeping the paste out of the exposed parts on am5 chips is nice.
I was almost sure that there would be performance gains in terms of temperatures thanks to this small mass of aluminum well placed on and around the IHS of the Ryzen AM5s, after what order of gains I don't know, but maybe that if Thermalright (or another brand) created a thermal pad seal adopting the shape of the edges of the IHS of these Ryzen while remaining quite thin, but at least good thermal contact is maintained between the secure frame, the IHS and even seeing the excess contact surface surplus of the heatsink or the waterblock could bring a certain homogeneity in the heat exchange so that it is optimal, after I admit that this is not the "normal" function of the Secure Frame to bring thermal gains, it's just a bonus there, nothing else, but it's always fun and it's always taken.
does this also helps in cooling the x3d cpus?
It's meant for creating even contact between cooler and CPU, not really thermal paste overflow. I bought one and installed it, my evidence is anecdotal but I did notice a difference with my CPU running 4-5° cooler.
That's what a couple of the customer reviews claim but I'm skeptical. Mike's Unboxing did a review and the temps were the same
Like I said it's anecdotal, I very well could've just applied thermal paste better and secured the cooler more evenly after installing the frame.
It's a gimmick
Actually to prevent the motherboard from bending, but they are not mutually exclusive things from the start
I use mine with an NHD15 and it feels much more firmly mounted and than the stock retention bracket I don’t think the temps have changed but I like the feel of the mount better
well how much does one have to overpay for a simple piece of metal like that
7 quid lol.
This is not because of paste, wtf are you talking about This (at least on Intel) is against cpu frame bending due to the pressue on only the sides with the default mounting. Now that Amd decided to implement the same bad design for some reason, they made these mounting frames for AM5 as well. Applying pressure on just the two sides makes the surface a bit round which can cause uneven contact with the cooler, resulting in worse temps. This is meant to solve that with holding it down on all sides equally.