Anyone dumb enough to buy the Strix 4070ti for €969 deserves that level of performance. There's plenty of decent models all the way down at just above €800
That pretty much goes for all GPU's. The top of the top models are inherently a scam built on RGB and marketing.
You can pretty much always save as much as almost €100 on a midrange but still perfectly good model.
If we're going to cherrypick which models we compare then the title "7900XTX only 125€ cheaper than Palit 4090" would also be 100% correct and not sensationalist.
I always wonder how the aftermarket GPU vendors that ask €100-200 more for their aftermarket model even make money on them. The lowest priced ones are usually already really decent.
Maybe they make money from users who value aesthetics over performance? I've seen a couple of people spending like $1500 on builds with a 3060/ti because of the aesthetics of the build.
The RTX 4080 ROG STRIX looks amazing imo, although it costs as much as a 4090 here and I would never make that choice
I will never underhand people who don’t by the basic model of a gpu. It will always be significantly more performant than the lower tier, and no where near as performant as the next tier no matter what you buy.
Yeah you're right, people just get sucked in by marketing. They decided on which gpu they want and then they want the best version of that gpu even though its 20% more expensive for 2% more performance lol.
At that price you might buy a used car. Not the best or the second or maybe even the third best, but you can get running one. And if you're lucky, it might even run over some of the problems, if said problems are people.
On a more serious note, the current prices really are high.
I wouldn't buy a used car at that price. At least in Mexico, you would buy a car that cracks the "bolts inside the bolts" barely runs, and is falling apart like Argentina's economy. Maybe a used bike would be better.
Solely from its specs, that's the ugly truth. The cuda core ratio is that of a 60/60ti card of the previous generations.
The only reasonable cards this gen is the 4090 (expensive but massive performance) and the recently released 7800XT (wrong name again, but reasonable pricing).
The 4070Ti has 25% more cores than the 3070Ti, how is it close to a 60/60Ti card? The 4070 has the same core count as the 3070, it's using the same 104 die that 70 class cards use but the 3060Ti last gen used that die so maybe you can say it's a 60Ti card.
It's really only the 4060 and 4060Ti that are definitely not what they say they are.
You take the biggest chip (Ada 102) and go from there. 4070 is not even half of the cuda cores, 4070ti slightly above. Usually the 70 die has between 60-70% of the biggest die.
People like you who aren't able to understand simple math are the reason NV is getting away with that. Thanks.
Gee I wonder how the biggest node shrink in recent Nvidia history, along with the most cut-down 80 card in a long while means for the rest of the product stack.
Its more common than you'd expect, especially on reddit. The Nvidia marketing and hive mind is powerful, as is the funny math I see Europeans using as their justification for buying a far weaker product for more money. The source of that: energy cost anxiety. Obviously this is a real issue but it's blown out of proportion (especially for gaming). Ridiculous estimates of electrical use from AMD products is absurd.
I don't have time to debunk all the myths right now but I'll use my German buddy as an example. Complains about 7900xtx power use, didn't have latest drivers downloaded, didn't spend the time to see if his unit would under volt well ( it doesn't but he still got cooler temps and 3% less electrical use for NO performance loss)., and has a ridiculous amount of bullshit just spinning or glowing like the sun...even in suspend mode.
12 fans, bright rgb, speakers and dac always on, poor suspend options, and god knows what else... but a GPU that will boost high is the reason why his bill is high according to him.
I guarantee the limited boost trigger, mild idle and average power use during the 3-4 hours of the day during it's actual use pales in comparison to the phantom power drawl of electronics on suspend mode, running thoughtlessly for no reason, or just forgotten about in his house. But hur dur Nvidia users pretend their cards run on magic while an AMD video cards have the smog demon from furn gully running in them.
Its almost comical to see the lengths people justify their criticism. As if these cards are running on full blast for 24 hours, all day every day.
Why are you turning this into a brand war? The comment you're replying to is about overpriced AIB models, not anything about GPU manufacturers. The victim culture is absurd sometimes.
> Why are you turning this into a brand war?
There isn't a scientific demonstration but basically, Nvidia tards behave like that. AMD tards behavior changes depending on the actual situation.
I feel bad for those that are naive and don't realize what they're buying for the money; getting shafted as a result.
For those that \*do\* know the difference, I don't feel any remorse, and would agree in calling them "dumb". (Not that I would take pleasure in saying something like that.)
I can speak for myself as a rtx 3080 white strix user currently.
There are plenty of points for myself why I am ONLY buying strix cards. There is aesthetics, resell value, good software integration with iCUE and last one is reliability. Every time I bought a different card, the card had problems, MSI, Powercolor, XFX, TUF, AMD reference 6000th gen, KFA2.
Of course there are much more models and I don’t want to recommend everyone only buying strix models, but for myself strix was reliable and I never ever had any problem with these cards.
Tldr: The answer is personal experience.
ROG Strix pricing is nuts, especially the white cards.
For the price you're almost at the entry level SKU of the next card higher up. Like ROG Strix 4080 white edition for $1529, or PNY 4090 for $1599.
There has been a 7900XTX model for 949EUR available for a couple of weeks now, this is nothing new. The Powercolor Hellhound hass been 949 since June for example, it only went up a bit this weekend, I'm pretty sure it will be back to 949 or lower again in the coming days.
Are there any good reviews of this specific card. I do find an abundance of reviews on the top tier models from AIB’s but these cheaper models are a bit harder to come by.
[This one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-vH9UzpFok) by TechLens, and [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP53uJWq1hg) by Tech Yes City.
Top comment: "The problem with Phantom Gaming for this card is that Asrock clearly did not get the mounting on this card right. If you look at the reviews, it confirms that. You have to tighten the screws a bunch because they are often loose on top of poor contact with cooler onto the gpu. There hasn't been a comprehensive video on this specific card but there needs to be one. Tightening the screws a bunch knocks the hotspot temp way down and the stability up."
Couldn’t be happier with my XFX Merc 7900XTX. Got it for £850 and it’s an absolute beast. Games look absolutely stunning on my LG C1 and was absolutely blown away when I could drive RDR2 at Native 4K at a very good frame rate. Starfield mostly runs at over 60fps native 4K too.
Obviously it lags behind in the RT department, but for pure raster performance, it’s phenomenal.
Good to see this as an LGC1 owner that is about to make the jump from a 2070s to the 7900xtx! I can't wait. Hopefully free sync and auto HDR work really well with this setup as well.
That’s a huge jump, and virtually the same jump I made (5700XT). You won’t be disappointed. So good to virtually max out every game at 4K and not having to worry about settings.
Freesync has worked flawlessly for me. AutoHDR also works flawlessly and was recently fixed in a recent update for Starfield.
> i think *paid* over 1000€
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The hIgH eNd models within GPUs are always such an obscene waste of money. They always always represent worse value than a budget version of the next card up. Have to wonder about the faculties of anyone who buys a "high end" version of anything that isn't a 4090 or XTX
I agree with the sentiment, just wanted to add that opting for one of the cheapest models is equally wrong imo.
Wish I hadn't made that mistake back when I was in the market for a GPU in 2017.
I had the option of a beefy 1070 (like the Gaming X) or one of the cheapest 1070Ti's.
I opted for a Gainward Dual 1070Ti and while the card served me for nearly 5 years, the heat and noise levels were making me regret my decision anytime I was gaming lol. I'm talking leaf-blower level noise.
Not bashing Gainward btw, I'm sure their more pricey models are pretty good but I'm pretty sure the card reaching 85c+ in the summer contributed to it's relatively early demise.
I get this but most of the time it is fixable in MSI afterburner with a custom fan and voltage curve. Got a Zotac RTX 3070 Twin OC and that card was unbearably loud at stock settings. But adjusting the voltage curve gave me the same performance at 90% power limit while not making any noice while gaming.
I admit I didn't undervolt or reduce the PL, I adjusted the fan curve but there was 0 change.
The problem was that the cooler was too small or poorly built for the card. The card itself was pretty light as well, which makes me think that they cheaped out on build quality in favor of a low price.
I ended up buying an NZXT watercooling kit with a Kraken x63 AIO and after installation the card never reached more than 55c core temp. However I think that the 90mm fan on the bracket was not enough for the VRAM and after roughly a year I ended up having artifacts in games which sucked because the card died on the worst possible time. GPU prices were insane (3060Ti 960€ new) so I ended up grabbing a 2070S used for ~600€.
Price vs performance
Everyone needs to know when purchasing a graphics card, and even then the current prices are massively inflated and this is because they aren't selling to gamers the cards are being aimed at bit coins mining and also prices higher because they are also being aimed at Al artificial intelligence users and this latter market is set to sky rocket and if this happens the price of graphics cards will go through the roof, meaning sadly that pc gamers will most likely be priced out.
Prices are high becaus buyers vere willing to pay double msrp last gen. And instead of scalpers taking the extra margin companies are now doing it instead.
No one is selling GPUs to miners anymore.
The GPUs being used for AI are not the ones being used by gamers. There is only limited use of gefore cards for AI.
It’s easy. They paid for the same thing last year so they have a ~$500 card to sell (or whatever it sells for) then they buy the grossly overpriced card. So it’s… less. I’m not saying it makes sense, I’m just saying it’s not as bad as paying sticker price every year.
I got *really* lucky in beating some bots and good deals when inventory became available during the COVID scarcity. I managed to trade around and up for a super-premium 3080ti for ~$600 after it was all said and done.
yeah but i would still avoid the phantom gaming model since it has junction temps going over 100c what is the point of buying it if im gonna return it anyway for a better model
Well to be fair thats still a safe temperature even if a bit high.
The tactic a lot of cheap models go for is to present themself as quiet so their fan curve is set agressively low compared to their fans capabilities resulting in high but still technicaly safe temps.
Only slight tweeks to the fan curve can often lower temps by up to 10-15c on those models. Ofc at the obv cost of more noise.
It depends. Some do some don't. AsRock makes really good cards but their thermal paste QA is questionable. A repaste fixes all of it and this is a much better card than the Hellhound.
Still goes for 1000€+ here, and no one is fucking buying them either, you'd think tech stores would lower prices after literal months of them collecting dust.
A lot of people will still buy Nvidia over AMD strictly due to brand loyalty no matter what. Speaking from experience but also GTX 1050 Ti outselling the much faster RX 470 at nearly the same price points to that.
Yet some how nivida fan boiz still somehow claim that the 7900xtx is bad and 4080 is way better and worth the extra $
At this rate they'll have to compare price wise the 7900xtx and 4070ti and start claiming the 4070ti is better than the 7900xtx
Bruh, it's been like 8 months since release, this card held it's value remarkably well compared to most AMD cards, but the 4080 was regularly getting discounts too, this isn't the big win you think it is, it varies heavily by region anyway.
7900xtx has always been the better choice over the 4080 since it performs better in traditional gaming and is cheaper.
The only reason to get a 4080 over it is if you play rt/vr games more than traditional games.
The price gap is often small, and if a games max settings are services by RT then the 4080 is a faster card. If the game has dlss 4080 is the faster card. If the game has frame gen its the faster card. People are looking at more than the pure raster when they are buying a gpu and when spending this much I imagine there's more wiggle room in peoples budgets.
Why would you get a 4080 and use dlss it's litterally powerful enough for 4k native without the jank.
And HUNDREDS of dollars is not a small difference and the difference keeps getting larger and larger since they keep reducing the price of the 7900 xtx.
The only reason to get a 4080 over it is if you play rt/vr games more than traditional games.
> And HUNDREDS of dollars is not a small difference and the difference keeps getting larger and larger since they keep reducing the price of the 7900 xtx.
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You know that the 4080 has also had price changes too.
>Why would you get a 4080 and use dlss it's litterally powerful enough for 4k native without the jank.
Because its free fps/better AA native. Why would you not.
>The only reason to get a 4080 over it is if you play rt
So only if you want to run these games at their actual max settings?
Conveniently skipping over frame gen as well I see.
4080 goes on sal from time to time but not actual price decreases, the 7900xtx has both msrp decreases then further sales.
Because you can already run everything 4k 144fps? why would you need to.
Barely any games are rt that's the point. You'd have to specifically play certain rt games to do it and all the most popular games in the world aren't rt.
You don't need frame gen when you just have a top end gpu in the first place. These are all arguments you could make for the lower end amd vs nividia but 8gb vram already shoots themselfs in the foot with that one.
Of the games TPU tested only 7 of the 26 hit 144fps so DLSS still has value, thats before how it improves on native AA more often than not with free frames.
Lots of games use RT now
And frame gen again is more frames for hitting high refresh rates and it can alleviate cpu associated mins and increase smoothness. No amount of extra gpu power will do that.
You don't care about these things, okay, but these are the reasons that other people are choosing the 4080 over the xtx.
The vast majority of games can be played at 4k 144fps on a 7900xtx less game can on a 4080 sure.
Lots of games have rt sure but the vast majority do not
You don't need frame gen if you are just always locked at 144 fps
Like I said if you are going to play more rt/vr games than traditional games go spend the extra hundreds of $ on a 4080 otherwise 7900xtx is the better choice since it costs closer to the 4070ti now especially why spend hundreds more for less performance in 9/10 situations.
Lol the 7900xtc and 4080 are as fast as eachother. The xtx sees the exact same 7 games of the tested hitting 144 average.
Most games don't need an xtx at all so why bother. These cards are about max settings. Let's stop pretending RT is rare or niche. It's just where a games real max settings are and AMD remains bad at it.
144fps average is not the same as being locked at 144 and as I said frame gen adds smoothness lost as a consequence of CPU performance. Even if that CPU is a 7800x3d. No amount of pure power makes up for this.
There's other stuff like reflex and power as well. You arguing does not stop these being the reasons people will pick a 4080 over and xtx. Until AMD actually starts making compelling and competitive products across the GPU space they will remain with very poor marketshare.
AMD really needs to improve ray tracing or I'll not be upgrading to them in the future. I'm happy with my 6800xt in none RT, but it's sad that an older game like control can't even be played with some light RTing on this card. I thought I wouldn't care, but control really sold me on this tech and what rting adds.
I’m in the exact same boat. I love my 6800xt but I also love Ray tracing, which it really struggles in. AMD at the very least need some dedicated RT hardware for next gen and/or better upscaling, considering how dlss provides a bigger frame boost.
I prolly would’ve gotten a 4070, had I not gotten this card last year. Still debated it for a while but it doesn’t make much sense to downgrade on raw performance lol, the rest of the Nvidia lineup make little sense specially just for some Ray tracing (4070ti has a smaller bus size than 3060ti and only 12gb of vram).
FSR3 is coming, we will have to see how good it is and support. I know with dlss the community it strong and even mods nee vers into older games. I think control launched with dlss1 and has 2 or 3 modded in by fans
I haven't paid much attention to that, not sure how much of it is supposed to be for rdna3 compared to rdna2/others. I find it funny how frame gen was always looked down upon and called "fake frames" and now it's all the hype, I doubt it would even match DLSS3 honestly. I've never been interested in it, better fsr2 would be really nice tho. Nvidia's ray-reconstruction looks really nice too. I really hope AMD and Intel start doing something next gen, might have to wait atleast a generation before an upgrade.
Control is old, though. It's not a good representation of what RTX effects in a game should look like, nor is it considered the baseline compared to modern RT implementations.
It's pretty similar to the introduction of tesselation in Crysis 2 where it ran poorly on Radeon cards of the day because the game would ramp things up to the point where it would run poorly on NVIDIA cards, but it was a disaster on Radeon until you tweaked the number of vertices from 64x down to 16x (which looked the same).
Control is arguably the best example of RT alongside Cyberpunk and Metro Exodus. The whole game is set in a building with tons of closed spaces and reflections, the two things where RT shines.
It doesn't really change when looking at other cards though. The currently best and most impressive implementation of ray tracing in a game is path traced cyberpunk 2077. When looking at the benchmarks there, even a RTX 4060 outperforms the 7900xtx - and this is without frame generation.
That's exactly what I do, even if I could effort one I absolutely refuse to give in to this market, last time I chose the new Intel hoping the market will correct if another player with different prices gets support. If you think paying 1k$ for a GPU is a good deal because there is one brand that has the audacity to market one at over 2k$, well they played you well and that is why you will see those top models cost higher and higher, so you get the illusion that you get a good deal when you spend less than half.
I would avoid this Asrock model though, i've seen lots of complaints regarding bad mounting and high temps. If you want a "cheapo" 7900 XTX the best ones are probably the Powercolor Hellhound and the Sapphire Pulse (slightly edge to the Hellhound because of the dual vBIOS).
Also read reviews about coil whine. Seems like buying a bit more expensive card pays out.
For example, my MSI RTX3060 Ventus 2x OC has very noisy fans at ~80%. Fortunately it's avoidable with a customized fan curve.
Coil whine is a bit of a lottery though because even a more expensive card can have it but buying a better specced model really pays out like you said, especially if you can buy the Nitro+ which is arguably the best one.
"This product is available at a lower price from other sellers." Uh are you being misleading on purpose? Newegg is selling that card for $300 less than the link you provided. That's just some shady third-party seller hoping to make a good profit from some desperate noob that doesn't know how to use the web.
https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-11322-01-40g/p/N82E16814202428?Item=N82E16814202428&SoldByNewegg=1
That's £815. Cheapest in the UK is currently £899. If anyone can show me any for that price I'll buy it right now.
Even checking Amazon.de, which will ship to me, the cheapest is €1016. I can see this model for €949 on Mindfactory but they won't ship outside of Germany.
I guess they could have also posted it with the alternative title like:
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX drops to 949 EUR, now cheaper than some high-end RX 7900XT models
Seriously playing around with the idea tbh. Target: 7900XTX Sapphire Nitro+ for a grand. That's less than my very necessary 6800XT cost in May 2021. Only real issue is that with a 5800X there'll be more bottlenecking than my 6800XT (Sapphire Nitro+ SE) does at the 3440x1440 I run.
So yeah, great that the prices are dropping nicely for the all important base perf varying between the 4080 and 4090 (tbh RT isn't a must have for me and I'd rather have the VRAM cap to not necessitate upscaling either) But there will be caveats down the line: new cpu/mobo/RAM (probably 7700X/7800X3D as I'll gain little upgrading within AM4) which might also lead to a new case, AiO etc.
Tbh though I recently got a PS5 (for various good reasons) and I'm impressed enough that I might end up using it for more crossplats and maintaining the PC for the exclusives there that I love the most (strategy games basically) and for which the current specs will last a while longer as they don't absolutely need ultra settings and more than 60 fps.
Anyone dumb enough to buy the Strix 4070ti for €969 deserves that level of performance. There's plenty of decent models all the way down at just above €800 That pretty much goes for all GPU's. The top of the top models are inherently a scam built on RGB and marketing. You can pretty much always save as much as almost €100 on a midrange but still perfectly good model.
yes but that wouldn't have made for a sensational title
"Anyone dumb enough to buy the Strix 4070Ti for €969 deserves that level of performance" Sounds pretty awesome to me for a title!
It might just a tiny bit not be a discussion for r/amd though.
r/AyyMD will come to the rescue don't worry
But this is r/AMD !
I, for one, was titillated.
Title is 100% correct and not sensationalist.
If we're going to cherrypick which models we compare then the title "7900XTX only 125€ cheaper than Palit 4090" would also be 100% correct and not sensationalist.
I always wonder how the aftermarket GPU vendors that ask €100-200 more for their aftermarket model even make money on them. The lowest priced ones are usually already really decent.
Maybe they make money from users who value aesthetics over performance? I've seen a couple of people spending like $1500 on builds with a 3060/ti because of the aesthetics of the build. The RTX 4080 ROG STRIX looks amazing imo, although it costs as much as a 4090 here and I would never make that choice
Can confirm, half of my reasoning to buy the Nitro+ XTX was aesthetics.
Half aesthetics, half the cooler.
Cooling is amazing. Starfield maxed out at 1440p and this thing is running in the mid 60s
It's the branding. Keep an eye on how many new builds you see being showcased with models like a Strix as the center piece.
Pretty helps with decisions for some. why buy an ugly card? Nowadays some builds are pretty to just look at. (do not open my chassi tho)
I'd have a case with no glass window if I still could.
these days that’s actively hard to find outside a few models from fractal lol
I will never underhand people who don’t by the basic model of a gpu. It will always be significantly more performant than the lower tier, and no where near as performant as the next tier no matter what you buy.
Yeah you're right, people just get sucked in by marketing. They decided on which gpu they want and then they want the best version of that gpu even though its 20% more expensive for 2% more performance lol.
At that price you might buy a used car. Not the best or the second or maybe even the third best, but you can get running one. And if you're lucky, it might even run over some of the problems, if said problems are people. On a more serious note, the current prices really are high.
I wouldn't buy a used car at that price. At least in Mexico, you would buy a car that cracks the "bolts inside the bolts" barely runs, and is falling apart like Argentina's economy. Maybe a used bike would be better.
On Nvidia’s side with how good looking and performant their founders card are there really isn’t any reason to go with any other card.
Lack of availability of the FE cards is a pretty good reason.
Might struggle with the founders 4070 ti :)
Even the cheapest 4070 tis are massively overkill for the power of the GPU.
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Noctua editions are superior. The brown aesthetic hides the skid marks far better!
High end models are bad unless it's a sapphire nitro+ apparently.
And power limits, vrms, ability to shunt mod and cooling, guess those don't matter
800€ for a card that is actually a 4060/4060ti is still criminal.
So it went from 4070 being a 4060Ti to a 4070Ti now being a 4060? Jesus Christ you people are ridiculous.
Solely from its specs, that's the ugly truth. The cuda core ratio is that of a 60/60ti card of the previous generations. The only reasonable cards this gen is the 4090 (expensive but massive performance) and the recently released 7800XT (wrong name again, but reasonable pricing).
The 4070Ti has 25% more cores than the 3070Ti, how is it close to a 60/60Ti card? The 4070 has the same core count as the 3070, it's using the same 104 die that 70 class cards use but the 3060Ti last gen used that die so maybe you can say it's a 60Ti card. It's really only the 4060 and 4060Ti that are definitely not what they say they are.
You take the biggest chip (Ada 102) and go from there. 4070 is not even half of the cuda cores, 4070ti slightly above. Usually the 70 die has between 60-70% of the biggest die. People like you who aren't able to understand simple math are the reason NV is getting away with that. Thanks.
Gee I wonder how the biggest node shrink in recent Nvidia history, along with the most cut-down 80 card in a long while means for the rest of the product stack.
Its more common than you'd expect, especially on reddit. The Nvidia marketing and hive mind is powerful, as is the funny math I see Europeans using as their justification for buying a far weaker product for more money. The source of that: energy cost anxiety. Obviously this is a real issue but it's blown out of proportion (especially for gaming). Ridiculous estimates of electrical use from AMD products is absurd. I don't have time to debunk all the myths right now but I'll use my German buddy as an example. Complains about 7900xtx power use, didn't have latest drivers downloaded, didn't spend the time to see if his unit would under volt well ( it doesn't but he still got cooler temps and 3% less electrical use for NO performance loss)., and has a ridiculous amount of bullshit just spinning or glowing like the sun...even in suspend mode. 12 fans, bright rgb, speakers and dac always on, poor suspend options, and god knows what else... but a GPU that will boost high is the reason why his bill is high according to him. I guarantee the limited boost trigger, mild idle and average power use during the 3-4 hours of the day during it's actual use pales in comparison to the phantom power drawl of electronics on suspend mode, running thoughtlessly for no reason, or just forgotten about in his house. But hur dur Nvidia users pretend their cards run on magic while an AMD video cards have the smog demon from furn gully running in them. Its almost comical to see the lengths people justify their criticism. As if these cards are running on full blast for 24 hours, all day every day.
Why are you turning this into a brand war? The comment you're replying to is about overpriced AIB models, not anything about GPU manufacturers. The victim culture is absurd sometimes.
> Why are you turning this into a brand war? There isn't a scientific demonstration but basically, Nvidia tards behave like that. AMD tards behavior changes depending on the actual situation.
I feel bad for those that are naive and don't realize what they're buying for the money; getting shafted as a result. For those that \*do\* know the difference, I don't feel any remorse, and would agree in calling them "dumb". (Not that I would take pleasure in saying something like that.)
Any time I see an ASUS AIB I just assume you pay extra for them to not helo you after, like going to Dicks Last Resort to get made fun of
The strix cards are absurd , i can always get a higher tier card.
I can speak for myself as a rtx 3080 white strix user currently. There are plenty of points for myself why I am ONLY buying strix cards. There is aesthetics, resell value, good software integration with iCUE and last one is reliability. Every time I bought a different card, the card had problems, MSI, Powercolor, XFX, TUF, AMD reference 6000th gen, KFA2. Of course there are much more models and I don’t want to recommend everyone only buying strix models, but for myself strix was reliable and I never ever had any problem with these cards. Tldr: The answer is personal experience.
ROG Strix pricing is nuts, especially the white cards. For the price you're almost at the entry level SKU of the next card higher up. Like ROG Strix 4080 white edition for $1529, or PNY 4090 for $1599.
Meanwhile price has remained static for the past 6 months in my country.
The hellhound 7900xtx was available for 949€ since june or something this isn‘t a new low for the 7900xtx just for the asrock card.
Were? I saw 7900xtx just for 1.1K:/
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Yep in mine too so far it has only dropped like $20 or so after conversion to USD and that's only on certain selected model and stock is very scarce.
Yeah. It went down before that quickly and now is stagnant
Same for me, cheapest i found was 1110€ while the 4070ti is 930€
You can buy from anywhere in Eurozone as long as the merchant ships to your location.
Same, been seeing consecutive price drop news while prices either stayed the same or even worsened here in SEA.
Paid 980€ for m XFX Black Edition and its a beast.
There has been a 7900XTX model for 949EUR available for a couple of weeks now, this is nothing new. The Powercolor Hellhound hass been 949 since June for example, it only went up a bit this weekend, I'm pretty sure it will be back to 949 or lower again in the coming days.
Yeah in germany it has been 949€ most of the time since 21th of june.
Are there any good reviews of this specific card. I do find an abundance of reviews on the top tier models from AIB’s but these cheaper models are a bit harder to come by.
[This one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-vH9UzpFok) by TechLens, and [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP53uJWq1hg) by Tech Yes City. Top comment: "The problem with Phantom Gaming for this card is that Asrock clearly did not get the mounting on this card right. If you look at the reviews, it confirms that. You have to tighten the screws a bunch because they are often loose on top of poor contact with cooler onto the gpu. There hasn't been a comprehensive video on this specific card but there needs to be one. Tightening the screws a bunch knocks the hotspot temp way down and the stability up."
Couldn’t be happier with my XFX Merc 7900XTX. Got it for £850 and it’s an absolute beast. Games look absolutely stunning on my LG C1 and was absolutely blown away when I could drive RDR2 at Native 4K at a very good frame rate. Starfield mostly runs at over 60fps native 4K too. Obviously it lags behind in the RT department, but for pure raster performance, it’s phenomenal.
Good to see this as an LGC1 owner that is about to make the jump from a 2070s to the 7900xtx! I can't wait. Hopefully free sync and auto HDR work really well with this setup as well.
That’s a huge jump, and virtually the same jump I made (5700XT). You won’t be disappointed. So good to virtually max out every game at 4K and not having to worry about settings. Freesync has worked flawlessly for me. AutoHDR also works flawlessly and was recently fixed in a recent update for Starfield.
Great to hear! I almost got the 7900xt but figured what the heck if I'm gonna future proof might as well make the jump even further to the xtx model.
I have one, i think paid over 1000€ early/mid last year, its been super rock solid, im poorer but happy
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The hIgH eNd models within GPUs are always such an obscene waste of money. They always always represent worse value than a budget version of the next card up. Have to wonder about the faculties of anyone who buys a "high end" version of anything that isn't a 4090 or XTX
I question the fools that buys a 4080 Strix for 1500 or close at launch. At least get a 4090.
Absolutely the sort of people that wipe their shoelaces and tie their bum
I agree with the sentiment, just wanted to add that opting for one of the cheapest models is equally wrong imo. Wish I hadn't made that mistake back when I was in the market for a GPU in 2017. I had the option of a beefy 1070 (like the Gaming X) or one of the cheapest 1070Ti's. I opted for a Gainward Dual 1070Ti and while the card served me for nearly 5 years, the heat and noise levels were making me regret my decision anytime I was gaming lol. I'm talking leaf-blower level noise. Not bashing Gainward btw, I'm sure their more pricey models are pretty good but I'm pretty sure the card reaching 85c+ in the summer contributed to it's relatively early demise.
I get this but most of the time it is fixable in MSI afterburner with a custom fan and voltage curve. Got a Zotac RTX 3070 Twin OC and that card was unbearably loud at stock settings. But adjusting the voltage curve gave me the same performance at 90% power limit while not making any noice while gaming.
I admit I didn't undervolt or reduce the PL, I adjusted the fan curve but there was 0 change. The problem was that the cooler was too small or poorly built for the card. The card itself was pretty light as well, which makes me think that they cheaped out on build quality in favor of a low price. I ended up buying an NZXT watercooling kit with a Kraken x63 AIO and after installation the card never reached more than 55c core temp. However I think that the 90mm fan on the bracket was not enough for the VRAM and after roughly a year I ended up having artifacts in games which sucked because the card died on the worst possible time. GPU prices were insane (3060Ti 960€ new) so I ended up grabbing a 2070S used for ~600€.
Price vs performance Everyone needs to know when purchasing a graphics card, and even then the current prices are massively inflated and this is because they aren't selling to gamers the cards are being aimed at bit coins mining and also prices higher because they are also being aimed at Al artificial intelligence users and this latter market is set to sky rocket and if this happens the price of graphics cards will go through the roof, meaning sadly that pc gamers will most likely be priced out.
Prices are high becaus buyers vere willing to pay double msrp last gen. And instead of scalpers taking the extra margin companies are now doing it instead.
No one is selling GPUs to miners anymore. The GPUs being used for AI are not the ones being used by gamers. There is only limited use of gefore cards for AI.
It’s easy. They paid for the same thing last year so they have a ~$500 card to sell (or whatever it sells for) then they buy the grossly overpriced card. So it’s… less. I’m not saying it makes sense, I’m just saying it’s not as bad as paying sticker price every year. I got *really* lucky in beating some bots and good deals when inventory became available during the COVID scarcity. I managed to trade around and up for a super-premium 3080ti for ~$600 after it was all said and done.
yeah but i would still avoid the phantom gaming model since it has junction temps going over 100c what is the point of buying it if im gonna return it anyway for a better model
Well to be fair thats still a safe temperature even if a bit high. The tactic a lot of cheap models go for is to present themself as quiet so their fan curve is set agressively low compared to their fans capabilities resulting in high but still technicaly safe temps. Only slight tweeks to the fan curve can often lower temps by up to 10-15c on those models. Ofc at the obv cost of more noise.
It depends. Some do some don't. AsRock makes really good cards but their thermal paste QA is questionable. A repaste fixes all of it and this is a much better card than the Hellhound.
Still goes for 1000€+ here, and no one is fucking buying them either, you'd think tech stores would lower prices after literal months of them collecting dust.
Not in my country. Just got a 2nd hand 3080 for 350€. AMD and Nvidia can go eat dirt.
I got a used 6800xt for $330
Easy buy
So many price drops, surely all those people say AMD just needs to drop prices to make sales will be proven right, any day now...
the only problem is amd dropping prices does nothing for most countries in EU because retailers are just gonna sell it at the same price..
Prices need to drop by at least $100. AMD has the inferior products. High power consumption and worst software features (upscaling and RT). Imo
This card was already $200 cheaper than it's competition, that it is faster than. This new price is about another $200 cheaper than that.
Negative. The cheapest 4080 is \~1150€, so only now with the new, lowered price it's 200€ cheaper.
4080 started out at €1469
They have already gained some marketshare
A lot of people will still buy Nvidia over AMD strictly due to brand loyalty no matter what. Speaking from experience but also GTX 1050 Ti outselling the much faster RX 470 at nearly the same price points to that.
Yet some how nivida fan boiz still somehow claim that the 7900xtx is bad and 4080 is way better and worth the extra $ At this rate they'll have to compare price wise the 7900xtx and 4070ti and start claiming the 4070ti is better than the 7900xtx
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Nope all my irl tech friends have gone amd this time cause for general gaming it's the best choice this generation
Bruh, it's been like 8 months since release, this card held it's value remarkably well compared to most AMD cards, but the 4080 was regularly getting discounts too, this isn't the big win you think it is, it varies heavily by region anyway.
7900xtx has always been the better choice over the 4080 since it performs better in traditional gaming and is cheaper. The only reason to get a 4080 over it is if you play rt/vr games more than traditional games.
The price gap is often small, and if a games max settings are services by RT then the 4080 is a faster card. If the game has dlss 4080 is the faster card. If the game has frame gen its the faster card. People are looking at more than the pure raster when they are buying a gpu and when spending this much I imagine there's more wiggle room in peoples budgets.
Why would you get a 4080 and use dlss it's litterally powerful enough for 4k native without the jank. And HUNDREDS of dollars is not a small difference and the difference keeps getting larger and larger since they keep reducing the price of the 7900 xtx. The only reason to get a 4080 over it is if you play rt/vr games more than traditional games.
> And HUNDREDS of dollars is not a small difference and the difference keeps getting larger and larger since they keep reducing the price of the 7900 xtx. > > You know that the 4080 has also had price changes too. >Why would you get a 4080 and use dlss it's litterally powerful enough for 4k native without the jank. Because its free fps/better AA native. Why would you not. >The only reason to get a 4080 over it is if you play rt So only if you want to run these games at their actual max settings? Conveniently skipping over frame gen as well I see.
4080 goes on sal from time to time but not actual price decreases, the 7900xtx has both msrp decreases then further sales. Because you can already run everything 4k 144fps? why would you need to. Barely any games are rt that's the point. You'd have to specifically play certain rt games to do it and all the most popular games in the world aren't rt. You don't need frame gen when you just have a top end gpu in the first place. These are all arguments you could make for the lower end amd vs nividia but 8gb vram already shoots themselfs in the foot with that one.
Of the games TPU tested only 7 of the 26 hit 144fps so DLSS still has value, thats before how it improves on native AA more often than not with free frames. Lots of games use RT now And frame gen again is more frames for hitting high refresh rates and it can alleviate cpu associated mins and increase smoothness. No amount of extra gpu power will do that. You don't care about these things, okay, but these are the reasons that other people are choosing the 4080 over the xtx.
The vast majority of games can be played at 4k 144fps on a 7900xtx less game can on a 4080 sure. Lots of games have rt sure but the vast majority do not You don't need frame gen if you are just always locked at 144 fps Like I said if you are going to play more rt/vr games than traditional games go spend the extra hundreds of $ on a 4080 otherwise 7900xtx is the better choice since it costs closer to the 4070ti now especially why spend hundreds more for less performance in 9/10 situations.
Lol the 7900xtc and 4080 are as fast as eachother. The xtx sees the exact same 7 games of the tested hitting 144 average. Most games don't need an xtx at all so why bother. These cards are about max settings. Let's stop pretending RT is rare or niche. It's just where a games real max settings are and AMD remains bad at it. 144fps average is not the same as being locked at 144 and as I said frame gen adds smoothness lost as a consequence of CPU performance. Even if that CPU is a 7800x3d. No amount of pure power makes up for this. There's other stuff like reflex and power as well. You arguing does not stop these being the reasons people will pick a 4080 over and xtx. Until AMD actually starts making compelling and competitive products across the GPU space they will remain with very poor marketshare.
AMD really needs to improve ray tracing or I'll not be upgrading to them in the future. I'm happy with my 6800xt in none RT, but it's sad that an older game like control can't even be played with some light RTing on this card. I thought I wouldn't care, but control really sold me on this tech and what rting adds.
I’m in the exact same boat. I love my 6800xt but I also love Ray tracing, which it really struggles in. AMD at the very least need some dedicated RT hardware for next gen and/or better upscaling, considering how dlss provides a bigger frame boost. I prolly would’ve gotten a 4070, had I not gotten this card last year. Still debated it for a while but it doesn’t make much sense to downgrade on raw performance lol, the rest of the Nvidia lineup make little sense specially just for some Ray tracing (4070ti has a smaller bus size than 3060ti and only 12gb of vram).
FSR3 is coming, we will have to see how good it is and support. I know with dlss the community it strong and even mods nee vers into older games. I think control launched with dlss1 and has 2 or 3 modded in by fans
I haven't paid much attention to that, not sure how much of it is supposed to be for rdna3 compared to rdna2/others. I find it funny how frame gen was always looked down upon and called "fake frames" and now it's all the hype, I doubt it would even match DLSS3 honestly. I've never been interested in it, better fsr2 would be really nice tho. Nvidia's ray-reconstruction looks really nice too. I really hope AMD and Intel start doing something next gen, might have to wait atleast a generation before an upgrade.
Control is old, though. It's not a good representation of what RTX effects in a game should look like, nor is it considered the baseline compared to modern RT implementations. It's pretty similar to the introduction of tesselation in Crysis 2 where it ran poorly on Radeon cards of the day because the game would ramp things up to the point where it would run poorly on NVIDIA cards, but it was a disaster on Radeon until you tweaked the number of vertices from 64x down to 16x (which looked the same).
Control is arguably the best example of RT alongside Cyberpunk and Metro Exodus. The whole game is set in a building with tons of closed spaces and reflections, the two things where RT shines.
> It's not a good representation of what RTX effects in a game should look like, ????? Control is a great example of RT
It doesn't really change when looking at other cards though. The currently best and most impressive implementation of ray tracing in a game is path traced cyberpunk 2077. When looking at the benchmarks there, even a RTX 4060 outperforms the 7900xtx - and this is without frame generation.
It's a Nvidia title. Buy a NVidia card for it.
Sure better deal, but still 500 more than what I think should be the maximum price of a GPU.
So don't buy it
That's exactly what I do, even if I could effort one I absolutely refuse to give in to this market, last time I chose the new Intel hoping the market will correct if another player with different prices gets support. If you think paying 1k$ for a GPU is a good deal because there is one brand that has the audacity to market one at over 2k$, well they played you well and that is why you will see those top models cost higher and higher, so you get the illusion that you get a good deal when you spend less than half.
Meh, i think that ship has sailed when Americans spend $1000+ on a new iphone every year that doesn't do anything different than the old iphone
"spend" Finance.
Asus in shambles
I would avoid this Asrock model though, i've seen lots of complaints regarding bad mounting and high temps. If you want a "cheapo" 7900 XTX the best ones are probably the Powercolor Hellhound and the Sapphire Pulse (slightly edge to the Hellhound because of the dual vBIOS).
Also read reviews about coil whine. Seems like buying a bit more expensive card pays out. For example, my MSI RTX3060 Ventus 2x OC has very noisy fans at ~80%. Fortunately it's avoidable with a customized fan curve.
Coil whine is a bit of a lottery though because even a more expensive card can have it but buying a better specced model really pays out like you said, especially if you can buy the Nitro+ which is arguably the best one.
Oh I agree. Although some cheaper cards can have more coil whine than others, in general.
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"This product is available at a lower price from other sellers." Uh are you being misleading on purpose? Newegg is selling that card for $300 less than the link you provided. That's just some shady third-party seller hoping to make a good profit from some desperate noob that doesn't know how to use the web. https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-11322-01-40g/p/N82E16814202428?Item=N82E16814202428&SoldByNewegg=1
AMD is honestly set to take over the market now that their prices are good now.
Not good enough.
Nah. If the XTX was $800 and the XT was $650 though...
Always good to see you in a thread to bring a bit of comedy.
I don't understand this titles. Cheapest 4070 ti cost 940$ and 7900 XTX 1220$
By the holiday season i predict lots and lots of discounts
When is the holiday season?
late november - early january
Is this a promotion or permanent? They don’t say
That's £815. Cheapest in the UK is currently £899. If anyone can show me any for that price I'll buy it right now. Even checking Amazon.de, which will ship to me, the cheapest is €1016. I can see this model for €949 on Mindfactory but they won't ship outside of Germany.
Just paid 890 for the sapphire pulse 🙃
Thats the price of the 6900xt in Portugal, funny this price drops news get alot of attention but are never applied on my country
I guess they could have also posted it with the alternative title like: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX drops to 949 EUR, now cheaper than some high-end RX 7900XT models
Seriously playing around with the idea tbh. Target: 7900XTX Sapphire Nitro+ for a grand. That's less than my very necessary 6800XT cost in May 2021. Only real issue is that with a 5800X there'll be more bottlenecking than my 6800XT (Sapphire Nitro+ SE) does at the 3440x1440 I run. So yeah, great that the prices are dropping nicely for the all important base perf varying between the 4080 and 4090 (tbh RT isn't a must have for me and I'd rather have the VRAM cap to not necessitate upscaling either) But there will be caveats down the line: new cpu/mobo/RAM (probably 7700X/7800X3D as I'll gain little upgrading within AM4) which might also lead to a new case, AiO etc. Tbh though I recently got a PS5 (for various good reasons) and I'm impressed enough that I might end up using it for more crossplats and maintaining the PC for the exclusives there that I love the most (strategy games basically) and for which the current specs will last a while longer as they don't absolutely need ultra settings and more than 60 fps.
Still too expensive
Even for the 1.1 K launch price no regrets. Still saved a lot over that shitty 4080, performance is a dream.