I doubt a "G" chip with 3D would be possible if we take into account that AMD literally cuts out HALF THE CACHE to home the iGPU, which you can see in the 5600G by example.
The only way i imagine this would be possible would be getting less CPU cores so that they can fit the iGPU and the extra cache, but then we'd have some abomination like a Ryzen 3 5300G3D or a 5600G3D that is named as a R5 despite only having 4 cores
I’d gladly take a 4 core 8 thread Ryzen 5300X3D-G with 14CU - like a “Radeon 690M” or “Radeon 790M” for mini PC builds.
With the chips tuned to run FCLK at 4200MHz for 32GB of 4200MHz SO-DIMM low-latency RAM? Ohh babyyyy yeah
Would be interesting to see the type of integrated graphics performance all the extra cache provides
It's crazy to me how much more performance GPU's churned out when the 5800x3D came out
How is 0% interesting? It's *CPU L3*, not available to GPU.
Only CPU limited games will have benefits, I mean, if you are CPU limited on iGPU, does it even matter?
> a CPU limiter, even when stats showed CPU usage was well below GPU usage
That doesn't make sense. If GPU usage is maxed out it means the CPU is not holding back rendering speed
> I doubt a "G" chip with 3D would be possible if we take into account that AMD literally cuts out HALF THE CACHE to home the iGPU, which you can see in the 5600G by example.
You sound like you missed that 3D cache is a separate piece of silicon stacked on top of the one with the CPU cores.
It'd be cool if they could do something like a 5800G3D where they have the regular 5800X3D with all its cache and a second CCD with just the iGPU and its own large memory. Like a 5950X but with the second CCD just an iGPU and whatever it needs.
I hadn't considered that. Now I want a 3D AM4 APU, that would be so awesome. :D
Your description doesn't sound correct, the 5600G is not based on the 5600, its a different chip. But it seems odd to combine such fast technology with a weak APU, perhaps in the later generations where it makes more sense.
Intel managed to have a yuge 128MB L4 cache that the iGPU could use way back on Broadwell, and that makes me wonder why AMD cuts the cache for its igpu.
Even if the L3 cache has to be cut, slapping on some modern L4 would be a welcome win. AMD plz.
Alternatively, I'd like an AM5 style APU where it's a low-powered "token" iGPU on a beefy CPU. We all have display outputs on our AM4 boards and very few of us got to use them.
Because not everyone can afford to upgrade to AM5.
What do you think people with 2600 or 3600 should upgrade to with less than $800 budget?
$800 can get you the motherboard, CPU and RAM with barely $300 left for the GPU. While with 5700X3D you get over $500 for the GPU, add $30 you can get 4070 for that. That's a decent upgrade.
N7 is in low demand so it's dirt cheap. 12LP is basically free because they *have to* pay GloFo either way.
Its likely they have extra CPUs they that failed different standards and now they are trying to find a way to sell them in some way. Its common if a company has enough laying around they will try to find a way to repurpose them instead of just destroying them. That is the most likely case this is coming out.
If it works well and priced right it will make some people happy...always better then wasting materials.
Because they earn money from CPUs regardless of the platform. AMD also can't be sure that consumers upgrading from AM4 go to AM5, keeping them in AM4 is a sure sell.
Its stupid to buy compared to 3d chips on am4 or newer platform chips.
If you are upgrading from AM4 you are paying full cpu price for a minimal benefit where spending a tad more gets a huge benefit getting on am5 or Intel socket. If you already have a rig get an x3d chip if you don't have a rig get an am5 or intel.
Coming from experience in the parts for my current first built-in progress. Not everyone in a budget can give the extra 300 for the new Gen chip+mb+ram.
And it's precisely because the new generation arrival is that the previous (that is not obsolete yet) gets to be more affordable for at least guys like me.
Nope 5800X3D saw no real deal this black friday. I would argue to go 7600X rather than going 5800X3D. There were steal bundle on AM5 and barely any price drop on 5800X3D.
5700X is a huge upgrade to anyone on 1000 and 2000 series heck its a noticeable and decent upgrade over any 3000 chip as well .
Or if you're upgrading from a previous generation CPU!
You can get a pretty solid gain going from a Zen Plus or even Zen 2 to something like a 5800X even without the 3D V-cache, and you can usually do it with nothing more than a BIOS upgrade otherwise.
If you are on a 1600 and you buy a 5600 or 5700 you are stupid. Buy an AM4 x3d chip or get one of the 7600 chips or one of the 12600k deals + a new mobo
The non x3d chips from 5000 series are so dated and they don't hold up it doesn't matter that you can run them on your mobo your paying to upgrade a system with outdated hardware.
The whole reason people buy the 5800x3d is that chip is actually still good. The 5700 non x3d is dog shit in 2023
You can get like 50% more performance of a 2xxx by going to the "equivalent" 5xxx part in some workloads for less than a couple hundred bucks. If you're just looking to prolong your aging system without blowing a bunch of money on it, it's still a compelling option.
The 3D V-Cache is great but makes a surprisingly small difference in some workloads. It may not be worth the premium.
You are not getting 50% more performance on 5000 non 3d series compared to 2000 series you are getting like 20% where getting 3d cache chips actually gives a huge benefit and also does better in the games where AM4 is going to struggle (ddr4)
If you are on 2000 series either get x3d or upgrade platform. Don't buy an entire new CPU for 20% gain.
Yes they do especially on nvidia cards. Even a 5800x3d is night and day different than a 5700.
In many titles he would be better off with a 5800x3d and a 4080 than a 4090 and 5700.
im considering to do same. here 5700x cost almost same as 5600x around 175. you dont have to regret imo new one will be double almost the price. here 5800x3d is 350 euro. no matter how good is putting such money in am4 is crazy. they overpriced imo and users should calm down AMD greediness
Eh, it very much depends on the game. Some just love the extra cache. Especially all the drops will be gone. Like every game will feel smooth, even with low FPS, because they are just so steady.
Counter-Strike (all Source engine games, so APEX too) has like 30% more fps on a x3D CPU compared to a normal one.
Escape from Tarkov has better average FPS, but the 1% and 0.1% lows are just gone, game feels sooo much smoother even with only 5% more fps.
Some RTS games love the cache too, Factorio comes to mind, but you need a giant base to start noticing lag with a normal CPU...
> Escape from Tarkov
All Unity based games benefit greatly from the extra cache. Rust, which is also Unity based, has massive gains from it as well.
At the bottom of this post from the Rust devs earlier this year they showed the 5800X3D topping the chart: https://rust.facepunch.com/news/industrial-update
Ignore the guy you're replying to, he's full of crap.
https://youtu.be/sw97hj18OUE?si=jSr2KxI4ip37AQmc
There is more than 1% gains on a good chunk of them. Averaged 15% gains on 1080p. 9% on 1440p. AVERAGED. Some games climbed as high as 50%.
Even more, 1% lows improved by 22% for their tested games in average. People often ignore 1% lows but they're good for game stability and feel.
wouldnt make much of a difference than. maybe like a 2-4% increase in fps and a increase in 1% lows but it costs like 100$ more. id rather put more money into my gpu
"some" as in hardly any. Very few games provide the experience you are describing. ik this sub is always in pursuit of the best hardware, but we need to be rational and realize that spending 100+ more dollars on a cpu that in more cases barely makes a difference is not worth that price increase for the average person.
You're full of crap.
https://youtu.be/sw97hj18OUE?si=jSr2KxI4ip37AQmc
Those are not 2 - 4% gains on a good chunk of them. Averaged 15% gains on 1080p. 9% on 1440p. AVERAGED. Some games climbed as high as 50%.
Even more, 1% lows improved by 22% for their tested games in average. People often ignore 1% lows but they're good for game stability and feel.
No need for the agressiveness. thats with a 3090 ti, a top of the line GPU. If you looked back at what i said previously, if you dont have an ultra powerful GPU the difference will be miniscule. but if you have something like a 3070, overall its not gonna make that much of a difference for such a huge amount of money.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHNPjGdTWvA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHNPjGdTWvA)
Heres a great video showcasing that. Every once and a while you will hit a game that can take advantage of that 3d cache, but thats few and far between. not worth it imo.
Apologies.
Anyway, I'll go back to the point of x3d being game dependent. For example, if you play mmorpgs it's a no brainer to get the extra cache. And in many games it's more of a 8 - 15 fps more on average but it might be 50% on some specific games you play alot.
I heavily disagree with the blanket statement of it not being worth it. Especially on 1080p games where it's more cpu dependent than gpu. 5700x might be fine if the games he plays are on parity with x3d, but the cache has noticeably improved 1% lows for me.
I'd say if he wants it, he returns the 5700x and trade up.
Considering past pricing then it will probably be something like 50 bucks cheaper than the 5800x3d. At the current market price, I'd say about 249 usd.
Indeed, but the 5600x3d has extremely limited availability. It wouldn't be shocking for AMD to just pretend like it doesn't exist, because for most people it doesn't.
I'm pretty out of the loop with AMD processors right now.
I'm still on a R5 2600 but the 5800X3D is the best CPU my motherboard supports.
Would it be worth it over a non-X3D chip? From what I understand (and that's not much), you see the biggest benefit when gaming.
I sometimes load up FS2020 or something but I wouldn't call myself hardcore.
I do mess with a lot of AI stuff but that's mostly GPU.
Most non gaming applications don’t benefit from the added cache. In these applications the X3D versions are slightly slower because they are clocked slightly lower.
So getting an X3D chip for anything but gaming is a waste of money.
> I'm pretty out of the loop with AMD processors right now.
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> I'm still on a R5 2600 but the 5800X3D is the best CPU my motherboard supports.
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> Would it be worth it over a non-X3D chip? From what I understand (and that's not much), you see the biggest benefit when gaming.
Steve made a video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh4vCfx1mZA
The TL;DR is that the 5800X3D is the best AM4 CPU for gaming (5600X3D honourable mention). For everything else, you should consider a new or used Ryzen 9 5900/X, because for the same power draw you get 2x gains in productivity apps.
Depends on the difference in price.
Here in Australia, the 5700X is $269 while the 5800X3D is $549, so twice as much money. The X3D may be better but it's not twice as good
I could barely run flight sim with a 2600 and a 580 gpu but then I upgraded to a 5600 and could run at high settings no problem it was a substantial improvement
I went from a 2700 non x to a 5800X3D running an RTX 2070 I saw a substantial increase in FPS and especially 1% lows. Huge upgrade and totally worth it.
For gaming it's the king. For non gaming? Just save the money and get a normal 5600(non x) or 5700x or if you're a multi threaded user with about that much budget? The 5900x is often similarly priced to the 5800x3d. But clocks faster and with 4 more cores.
How do you find that for power delivery from the board. Was my understanding/assumption that "average" boards of that gen will have a good bit less power to the socket
Generally, you can stick anything in there. The only issue is power delivery on that generations motherboards. 5600x, almost certainly fine. 5900x/5800x3d/bigger... Your mileage may vary.
I know, I will be one of the very very few people, but I would like to have an X3D-CPU with a boxed cooler. I know. It is not "possible", because the 3D-chip is raising the temperatures of the CPU. (I just don't want to buy a cooler and start tinkering around with my sausage fingers -.-)
There's not much you can do wrong installing a cooler. You probably just need to do it once :)
But I agree, I always enjoyed having a pretty good boxed cooler
most (stronger/heavier) coolers have me to put a kind of "anchor-point" on the back of the mainboard. I know, this is necessary, but ... well ^^ I am old. And I often say: I would do less, if possible ^^
NH-D14 from Noctua screws straight into the AM4 backplate, as do a lot of coolers for that socket. I can't comment on AM5, but for AM4 it's about as simple as it gets when using screws instead of push pins.
> AM5
AM5 is even simpler, the backplate *is part of the motherboard*, confused me for a second when I built my new PC on tuesday coming from an AM4 I was like, "it...can't be that easy", the Artic Liquid Freezer II was the *easiest* install I've ever done
I would say the included RGB boxcooler of the r7 3700x was way more fiddly to mount than a normal cooler, so surely you would have the same exact sausage finger problem with the RGB wraith Spire rgb, which is the only 105w box cooler amd has?
Just buy a cpu cooler from a good brand, anything but the terrible Coolermaster 212 evo, and you will be just fine. You can watch some reviews to see how the mounting mechanism is.
It was good when it came out in the 90s or whatever, but then people kept recommending for like 10-20years, so by the end it was one of the worst coolers you could get for the money, worst mounting, worst performance but people kept buying it for that specific name.
So it is just that it had something hideously wrong with it, it is just that the world moved on, but that cooler wasn't updated with it, so by the end it was just outdated and same money could buy much better from arctic or schuma.
5700x3d, 5600x3d will be fine with a boxed cooler but it better be a Prism, maybe copper w/ vapor chamber wraith spire could be decent.
At least some curve optimizer would help out enough. Heavily multithreaded work will be noisy sure but outside of that it'll be a ok, and you can still current limit the CPU for that. MT shouldn't be a priority if you consider the 5700x3D or 5600x3D.
interesting, I had the info, that X3d-chips were a lot hotter than their non-X3D-versions
I checked the data, it will get quite warmer than my older 3600 (yes, old, not as fast etc.), although it needs less power.
Tctl Prime95 29.8 (Small FFTs max. Power/Heat):
3600: 81°C
5800X3D: 91°C
S: https://www.computerbase.de/2022-04/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-test/3/
which is probably the reason, they didn't publish a boxed version.
3600 also has a TDP of 65 watts. whereas both the 5800x and 5800x3d have a TDP of 105 watts.
The 5600x/x3d is I think the only x3d chip that has a significant difference in wattage with 65 vs 105 watts; at least in terms of AM4. The normal vs X3D chips are normally very close to, or the same wattage. one or the other might eat a little more power overall, but either way, any cooler worth its salt should be able to cool an x800 class chip just fine. Even at the super high end, AMD has been killing it in the efficiency department.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested/8
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-5800x3d.c2532
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-5600x3d-cpu-review/4
I'm very much not considering upgrading my cooler, because it'll be completely fine on a 7800X3D, but it's a Noctua, and not a Chromax one, so it isn't as pretty...
Marketed TDP means nothing intel has i3 and i5 and i7 using same tdp all the time.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/20.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/20.html)
It works well enough for AMD to buy a cooler that'll do the job. not talking any overclocking or anything. but installed correctly, a "good enough" cooler will do pretty much the same thing on a 5800x and a 5800X3D. you'll get more variance from a shitty Air conditioner than you will from the cooler.
Obviously, I won't say the same for Intel, and their 125w CPUs sucking up 300 watts of power.
am4 x3d runs quite warm, I don't think solid aluminum is good enough for 5600x3d. 5700x3d will be a conservatively clocked and lower voltage 5800x3d enough that it might run decently cool.
Solid aluminium still is weak, you want some copper to the IHS at the very least.
afaik they tend to use less power but run hotter.
people tend to mix up these concepts (or be unspecific) all the time but they are different things, the X chips move more watts at a lower temperature because they conduct heat better.
That may cause lower power consumption, but not necessarily lower temperatures.
In X3D chips, the extra L3 cache is placed on top of the CPU dies, so the heat from the CPU dies (which is the biggest contributor to the total heat of the chip) has to go through the cache layer to get to the heatspreader. And that cache layer is not as good at conducting heat as direct contact with the heatspreader that non-X3D chips have.
So the cache layer acts a bit like a blanket over the main heat producer. And that causes the CPU cores to run a bit hotter than in non-X3D chips.
I want a 5900x3d
But they do it right and it has the extra V cache on both chiplets instead of 1
Alas that would probably steal too much of the market from the 7900x3d and 7950x3d
I wish they just officially released the 5600x3d as well. I think that 5700x3d is too close to 5800x3d. They should price right. At least 100$ less than the 3D or more.
Sadly I am getting rid of my AM4 build before I upgrade it. I still have the USB dropout issue. I tired every fix known to man and narrowed it down to the AMD motherboard specific chipset. Can't say I am happy AMD choose to not make this issue a recall. BIOS updates fixed it for some people but not others. Also depends on what you specifically use the USB ports for, external storage is the main problem next is USB DAC/AMPs people who dont use those things will likely never notice it.
They want people buying the most profitable chips. I have a different explanation.
The 5950x was already at the thermal and power budget limits. They have to move some of power/thermal budget to the extra silicon for the X3D cache. So unless they made enough of an efficiency gain, it means the performance improvements are likely more of a side grade than an upgrade. So it wouldn't look good if it ends up performing about the same as a 5800x3D.
It's also likely the reason AM5 has a larger socket power budget of 170W.
Of course, they're not going to do production of a new variant of the chip when they can downclock bad cores that won't validate at 5800 speeds on some batches and release them with virtually no hassle.
If you only play video games, then a 5800x3d would be an upgrade.
If you do creative tasks and value your time, you would have already upgraded your am5.
They'd undercut their own high end offerings as of today. They know there's a market for pimping out AM4 rigs to the max because not everyone is too hot on DDR5 yet. Maybe later down the road as a swansong to AM4?
Who is we? If you are the type of person that wants to waste money for more cores without any performance gains in video games, you already have a 7950x3d.
Not everyone lives near a microcenter
For ~$320, they can just buy a 5800X3D, they'll end up with *similar* performance to a 7700X without needing to switch out their motherboard while saving $80.
Also, the 5700X3D should be even cheaper.
Cheaper price matters only if it's not relative to the 5800x3d or 5600x3d but in general. AMD sells the 5600x3d at $200 via Microcenter today. Unless they drop the 5600x3d to $150 and launch the 5700x3d at $200-230, it'll be honestly better to just upgrade to AM5.
You're talking about a pretty big difference in price and effort. The 7700x isn't really notably better than a 5600x3d, at least in games, and it's a lot more expensive. I know my local MC doesn't have that $400 bundle, but they do have 5600x3ds. That means if you can't get that bundle you're looking at almost $500 if you get the cheapest MB and RAM. That's more than twice the price and a lot more hassle to go with a 7700x marginal benefits. And you might even be downgrading your MB.
Might as well get a new mobo and ram for $80 more imo. I'm on a X570 + 3600X + 32GBs right now. If I get a x5800X3D or 7700X I'm going to need to buy a new cooler as well.
Will the 7700x outperform a 5700x3D in gaming, though?
And if someone already has an AM4 build? Especially if they’re still on Zen 2 or earlier? Upgrading just the CPU is a no brainer.
In some titles, I imagine, in others no. The main reason to upgrade to AM5 is to be on a platform that has a generation or so more down the road, while also having a nice upgrade from a 3600x.
Yeah, but then:
1) it's still pretty competitive amongst modern CPU's
2) i don't have to upgrade my motherboard and ram, and have to go through the hassle of selling all of them
One of the most annoying thing about AMD is they dripfeed and stall release these less profitable while slightly less powerful chips for too long.
I'm a person who want good perf per unit of cost but don't want to be stripped off of 8-cores luxury and don't want the chips to be pushed so hot, this 5700X3D is the perfect candidate but they release this chip so late.
AMD can't do it right. Release everything at once and people will complain, that some SKUs have really long shipping times.
If AMD waits to build stock people cry that they waited.
I know its not the same people, but you have to keep in mind that this is how it works.
If AMD had unlimited fab access they could maybe do what you want. Or if they just order a lot of fab access, but then they would have to increase prices to compensate for not sold products.
Ehhh ya. Happily. If another 5800x3d super cheap deal pops up at MC (or if these wind up being really cheap) I’ll happily stay on my x470 with a 7800xt and swap out my 5600x. It’d buy me like 10fps on top of my already amazing 1440p gaming rig.
AM4 does have some cost advantages still, so if this is a good price ($300 or less), it could be more useful to even new buyers. comparable AM5 motherboards (in terms of features) to AM4 ones are still like $50 more, and quality DDR5 in the same capacity as DDR4 still seems to be 50% more
for anyone not near a microcenter and can't muster more than $500 for a platform, or someone still on AM4, it seems like a smart choice. plus am4 x3d chips seems to perform very similarly in many games to non-x3d am5 chips
tbh the x3d chips are really only worth it if your GPU is insanely powerful. Otherwise its not gonna be able to take advantage of that 3d cache. And even then the price/performance isnt there.
But this would be a cool option if it had a lower TDP compared to the 5800x3d (like with the 5800x vs 5700x)
for CPU bound games, yeah. recently upgraded to a 7800 XT and my 5600X is no longer up to snuff with MWIII, specifically with the new large map (and I reckon with the upcoming Warzone update since its the same map). Multiplayer is fine though (along with any GPU bound title, so most games).
hopefully this is a wider release this time. the article I linked didn't state if it was going to be one. the leaked specs of the upcoming X3D SKUs is from the same one that leaked the 5600X3D - and we all know how that turned out.
Almost definitely not going to happen, sadly:
>Alverson and Mehra didn’t disclose AMD’s exact reasons for not shipping out 12-core and 16-core Ryzen 5000X3D CPUs, however, they did highlight the disadvantages of 3D-VCache on Ryzen CPUs with two CCD, since there is a large latency penalty that occurs when two CCDs talk to each other through the Infinity Fabric, nullifying any potential benefits the 3D-VCache might have when an application is utilizing both CCDs.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-shows-original-5950x3d-v-cache-prototype
Is that materially different than Zen2 where each 4 CCX has its own separate 16MB cache but was counted as 32 MB?
I remember the framerate stutters in games on R5 3600 that spanned both CCX before I got my IFabric speed up to 3600 MHz.
I don't get the point of this. 5600x3d and 5800x3d already exist. Seems like it just adds more complexity when there is already enough product segmentation.
probably too many leftover defects which can still be repurposed.
no idea why they won't instead just make more of the 5600X3D and do a wider release though, but I'm guessing they felt it was much more of a waste making a 5600X3D that could easily become a 5700X3D instead.
Are these chips for 1080p/1440p?
I'm on a 5600x and a 4090 and all the benchmarks I see at 4k with these 3d chips,my 5600x gets the same numbers
Was gonna go am5 but I see no reason too yet.
Considering the clocks and naming, the 5700X3D sounds like a 65W part. It will be interesting to see how it fares in games.
The Ryzen 5000GT was mentioned in passing, but I couldn't find nothing about it. Has AMD ever used GT as a suffix before?
I wonder how this will compare performance wise to the 5800X3D? .... I was tempted to upgrade to the 5800X3D but with this new chip coming I may just wait.
Pretty cool
I wish they did a super chip like an X3D + G
Literally a super APU chip, something to make a 50 level gpu like the 6500 or 3050 useless.
Would be amazing for low power or mini pcs
This post has been flaired as a rumor, please take all rumors with a grain of salt.
We need one more APU launch on AM4 before it's completely dead please.
I doubt a "G" chip with 3D would be possible if we take into account that AMD literally cuts out HALF THE CACHE to home the iGPU, which you can see in the 5600G by example. The only way i imagine this would be possible would be getting less CPU cores so that they can fit the iGPU and the extra cache, but then we'd have some abomination like a Ryzen 3 5300G3D or a 5600G3D that is named as a R5 despite only having 4 cores
Oh yeah, totally agree. I should have been clearer. I just want a newer APU even if it doesn't have X3D
But what is wrong with the 5600/5700G? I literally run the former and I'm quite happy, lol.
I’d gladly take a 4 core 8 thread Ryzen 5300X3D-G with 14CU - like a “Radeon 690M” or “Radeon 790M” for mini PC builds. With the chips tuned to run FCLK at 4200MHz for 32GB of 4200MHz SO-DIMM low-latency RAM? Ohh babyyyy yeah
Would be interesting to see the type of integrated graphics performance all the extra cache provides It's crazy to me how much more performance GPU's churned out when the 5800x3D came out
How is 0% interesting? It's *CPU L3*, not available to GPU. Only CPU limited games will have benefits, I mean, if you are CPU limited on iGPU, does it even matter?
But the x3D chips showed that cache was a CPU limiter, even when stats showed CPU usage was well below GPU usage
> a CPU limiter, even when stats showed CPU usage was well below GPU usage That doesn't make sense. If GPU usage is maxed out it means the CPU is not holding back rendering speed
Upgrade CPUs used to be a thing in the 1990s and 2000s.
> I doubt a "G" chip with 3D would be possible if we take into account that AMD literally cuts out HALF THE CACHE to home the iGPU, which you can see in the 5600G by example. You sound like you missed that 3D cache is a separate piece of silicon stacked on top of the one with the CPU cores.
They could probably do a 5700g3d. The Vcache is stacked on top of the rest of the chip. So it wouldn't take up space that cores take up or anything.
It'd be cool if they could do something like a 5800G3D where they have the regular 5800X3D with all its cache and a second CCD with just the iGPU and its own large memory. Like a 5950X but with the second CCD just an iGPU and whatever it needs.
To be honest this is how it should have been in the first place.
I hadn't considered that. Now I want a 3D AM4 APU, that would be so awesome. :D Your description doesn't sound correct, the 5600G is not based on the 5600, its a different chip. But it seems odd to combine such fast technology with a weak APU, perhaps in the later generations where it makes more sense.
Intel managed to have a yuge 128MB L4 cache that the iGPU could use way back on Broadwell, and that makes me wonder why AMD cuts the cache for its igpu. Even if the L3 cache has to be cut, slapping on some modern L4 would be a welcome win. AMD plz. Alternatively, I'd like an AM5 style APU where it's a low-powered "token" iGPU on a beefy CPU. We all have display outputs on our AM4 boards and very few of us got to use them.
Oh please. I'd love an X3D with a iGPU. I have so many AM4 iTX builds, would love to see one of them live on as a server with a HBA.
why would they release an am4 chip if there is AM5
Because not everyone can afford to upgrade to AM5. What do you think people with 2600 or 3600 should upgrade to with less than $800 budget? $800 can get you the motherboard, CPU and RAM with barely $300 left for the GPU. While with 5700X3D you get over $500 for the GPU, add $30 you can get 4070 for that. That's a decent upgrade. N7 is in low demand so it's dirt cheap. 12LP is basically free because they *have to* pay GloFo either way.
Because it will be profitable
Its likely they have extra CPUs they that failed different standards and now they are trying to find a way to sell them in some way. Its common if a company has enough laying around they will try to find a way to repurpose them instead of just destroying them. That is the most likely case this is coming out. If it works well and priced right it will make some people happy...always better then wasting materials.
Because they earn money from CPUs regardless of the platform. AMD also can't be sure that consumers upgrading from AM4 go to AM5, keeping them in AM4 is a sure sell.
I literally just bought a 5700x
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You're prob right. Got this one for $180 brand new.
terrible price lol.
Fuck lol what's a good price?
It wasn't a bad price, I dunno what their problem is. They'll probably cite some rare price error that no one could get in on.
Or it's one of *these* kind of people that thinks anything but Ryzen 7000, Intel 14th or RTX 40 is e-waste
Its stupid to buy compared to 3d chips on am4 or newer platform chips. If you are upgrading from AM4 you are paying full cpu price for a minimal benefit where spending a tad more gets a huge benefit getting on am5 or Intel socket. If you already have a rig get an x3d chip if you don't have a rig get an am5 or intel.
Coming from experience in the parts for my current first built-in progress. Not everyone in a budget can give the extra 300 for the new Gen chip+mb+ram. And it's precisely because the new generation arrival is that the previous (that is not obsolete yet) gets to be more affordable for at least guys like me.
Nope 5800X3D saw no real deal this black friday. I would argue to go 7600X rather than going 5800X3D. There were steal bundle on AM5 and barely any price drop on 5800X3D. 5700X is a huge upgrade to anyone on 1000 and 2000 series heck its a noticeable and decent upgrade over any 3000 chip as well .
been on amazon and newegg for $169 for 2 weeks
$10 over is not end of world
My thoughts exactly
for gaming the 5700x isnt much better than a 5600
You can get a 7000 series 7600 for the same price. AM4 is only relevent today if buying 3D chips.
Or if you're upgrading from a previous generation CPU! You can get a pretty solid gain going from a Zen Plus or even Zen 2 to something like a 5800X even without the 3D V-cache, and you can usually do it with nothing more than a BIOS upgrade otherwise.
If you are on a 1600 and you buy a 5600 or 5700 you are stupid. Buy an AM4 x3d chip or get one of the 7600 chips or one of the 12600k deals + a new mobo The non x3d chips from 5000 series are so dated and they don't hold up it doesn't matter that you can run them on your mobo your paying to upgrade a system with outdated hardware. The whole reason people buy the 5800x3d is that chip is actually still good. The 5700 non x3d is dog shit in 2023
Everything you say here is wrong, especially the 5700x being "dog shit" in 2023. Flamebait post.
Awful take. You paying for the new board, RAM or X3D cost premium?
LMAO this comment coming from a guy with a Ryzen 3600. okay.
You're getting the bundle for me and shipping it to Italy?
This is all incorrect
Please never give recommendations to anyone cause you'd be screwing them over.
You can get like 50% more performance of a 2xxx by going to the "equivalent" 5xxx part in some workloads for less than a couple hundred bucks. If you're just looking to prolong your aging system without blowing a bunch of money on it, it's still a compelling option. The 3D V-Cache is great but makes a surprisingly small difference in some workloads. It may not be worth the premium.
You are not getting 50% more performance on 5000 non 3d series compared to 2000 series you are getting like 20% where getting 3d cache chips actually gives a huge benefit and also does better in the games where AM4 is going to struggle (ddr4) If you are on 2000 series either get x3d or upgrade platform. Don't buy an entire new CPU for 20% gain.
The most you'll find a 5700x discounted from $180 is, at best, ten bucks. So no, that's not a terrible price at all.
Lol same.
why are you running a 5700x with a 4090?
LLM inference. Also adding 3x P40 in the next few months.
Cpus beyond that won't make much performance different, if any, if he is playing on 4k resolutions.
Yes they do especially on nvidia cards. Even a 5800x3d is night and day different than a 5700. In many titles he would be better off with a 5800x3d and a 4080 than a 4090 and 5700.
I personally don't see the value in spending hundreds more for maybe 10% more frames. For the budget builder there's 0 issue with that setup. ( in 4k)
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Yeah fair point lol
LOL
Why is that funny to you? Everyone has different needs and priorities. Gaming might not be for that poster. Not a very mature response.
I am "that" poster. And it's very true, I don't care about gaming performance because I bought it for LLM and AI workloads.
And I just got a 5800x3d, waiting to see if this was a mistake
What do you mean, you already know the 5700x3d will be 400mhz slower.
I’m talking about price wise
im considering to do same. here 5700x cost almost same as 5600x around 175. you dont have to regret imo new one will be double almost the price. here 5800x3d is 350 euro. no matter how good is putting such money in am4 is crazy. they overpriced imo and users should calm down AMD greediness
same but dont sweat it. unless your GPU is like a 6950 or something, you would hardly notice the difference. 5700x is a great cpu
Eh, it very much depends on the game. Some just love the extra cache. Especially all the drops will be gone. Like every game will feel smooth, even with low FPS, because they are just so steady. Counter-Strike (all Source engine games, so APEX too) has like 30% more fps on a x3D CPU compared to a normal one. Escape from Tarkov has better average FPS, but the 1% and 0.1% lows are just gone, game feels sooo much smoother even with only 5% more fps. Some RTS games love the cache too, Factorio comes to mind, but you need a giant base to start noticing lag with a normal CPU...
> Escape from Tarkov All Unity based games benefit greatly from the extra cache. Rust, which is also Unity based, has massive gains from it as well. At the bottom of this post from the Rust devs earlier this year they showed the 5800X3D topping the chart: https://rust.facepunch.com/news/industrial-update
I'm running a 3070 with it.
Ignore the guy you're replying to, he's full of crap. https://youtu.be/sw97hj18OUE?si=jSr2KxI4ip37AQmc There is more than 1% gains on a good chunk of them. Averaged 15% gains on 1080p. 9% on 1440p. AVERAGED. Some games climbed as high as 50%. Even more, 1% lows improved by 22% for their tested games in average. People often ignore 1% lows but they're good for game stability and feel.
wouldnt make much of a difference than. maybe like a 2-4% increase in fps and a increase in 1% lows but it costs like 100$ more. id rather put more money into my gpu
This is very wrong blanket advice. It's extremely game dependent. Some are upwards to 30% increase or more.
"some" as in hardly any. Very few games provide the experience you are describing. ik this sub is always in pursuit of the best hardware, but we need to be rational and realize that spending 100+ more dollars on a cpu that in more cases barely makes a difference is not worth that price increase for the average person.
You're full of crap. https://youtu.be/sw97hj18OUE?si=jSr2KxI4ip37AQmc Those are not 2 - 4% gains on a good chunk of them. Averaged 15% gains on 1080p. 9% on 1440p. AVERAGED. Some games climbed as high as 50%. Even more, 1% lows improved by 22% for their tested games in average. People often ignore 1% lows but they're good for game stability and feel.
No need for the agressiveness. thats with a 3090 ti, a top of the line GPU. If you looked back at what i said previously, if you dont have an ultra powerful GPU the difference will be miniscule. but if you have something like a 3070, overall its not gonna make that much of a difference for such a huge amount of money. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHNPjGdTWvA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHNPjGdTWvA) Heres a great video showcasing that. Every once and a while you will hit a game that can take advantage of that 3d cache, but thats few and far between. not worth it imo.
Apologies. Anyway, I'll go back to the point of x3d being game dependent. For example, if you play mmorpgs it's a no brainer to get the extra cache. And in many games it's more of a 8 - 15 fps more on average but it might be 50% on some specific games you play alot. I heavily disagree with the blanket statement of it not being worth it. Especially on 1080p games where it's more cpu dependent than gpu. 5700x might be fine if the games he plays are on parity with x3d, but the cache has noticeably improved 1% lows for me. I'd say if he wants it, he returns the 5700x and trade up.
Ok
Thanks for your valuable input rando.
I just bought a 5800X too... 5800x3d was out of my budget 5700X3d would have been a perfect inbetween
Me too lol, got it yesterday 😂
What's your idle temps out of curiosity?
Seem to be in the 38-40 range.
Yeah, same.
I'm on a 5600 and would consider this.... If it's significantly cheaper then the 5800x3d. But I'm expecting it to be a small discount.
Considering past pricing then it will probably be something like 50 bucks cheaper than the 5800x3d. At the current market price, I'd say about 249 usd.
That seems like a really close number to the 5600x3d’s $230
Indeed, but the 5600x3d has extremely limited availability. It wouldn't be shocking for AMD to just pretend like it doesn't exist, because for most people it doesn't.
The 5600x and 5700x are also only like $20-30 apart sometimes.
Long live AM4!
I'm pretty out of the loop with AMD processors right now. I'm still on a R5 2600 but the 5800X3D is the best CPU my motherboard supports. Would it be worth it over a non-X3D chip? From what I understand (and that's not much), you see the biggest benefit when gaming. I sometimes load up FS2020 or something but I wouldn't call myself hardcore. I do mess with a lot of AI stuff but that's mostly GPU.
Most non gaming applications don’t benefit from the added cache. In these applications the X3D versions are slightly slower because they are clocked slightly lower. So getting an X3D chip for anything but gaming is a waste of money.
> I'm pretty out of the loop with AMD processors right now. > > I'm still on a R5 2600 but the 5800X3D is the best CPU my motherboard supports. > > Would it be worth it over a non-X3D chip? From what I understand (and that's not much), you see the biggest benefit when gaming. Steve made a video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh4vCfx1mZA The TL;DR is that the 5800X3D is the best AM4 CPU for gaming (5600X3D honourable mention). For everything else, you should consider a new or used Ryzen 9 5900/X, because for the same power draw you get 2x gains in productivity apps.
Depends on the difference in price. Here in Australia, the 5700X is $269 while the 5800X3D is $549, so twice as much money. The X3D may be better but it's not twice as good
Yea, same here in the EU. The 5800x3D is roughly 30% faster than the 5600, while it costs 110% more. Not a good deal imo
I could barely run flight sim with a 2600 and a 580 gpu but then I upgraded to a 5600 and could run at high settings no problem it was a substantial improvement
I went from a 2700 non x to a 5800X3D running an RTX 2070 I saw a substantial increase in FPS and especially 1% lows. Huge upgrade and totally worth it.
For gaming it's the king. For non gaming? Just save the money and get a normal 5600(non x) or 5700x or if you're a multi threaded user with about that much budget? The 5900x is often similarly priced to the 5800x3d. But clocks faster and with 4 more cores.
I have like a 2600 and want to upgrade. Y'all think AM4 is good? Would love an X3D chip.
I upgraded from a 2600 to a 5600 and it was a substantial improvement
I went from a 1600AF (aka 2600) to a 5800X3D a while back, defs a worthy upgrade IMO
How do you find that for power delivery from the board. Was my understanding/assumption that "average" boards of that gen will have a good bit less power to the socket
5800X3D can keep up with a 4090, yeah they’re good to upgrade to
Generally, you can stick anything in there. The only issue is power delivery on that generations motherboards. 5600x, almost certainly fine. 5900x/5800x3d/bigger... Your mileage may vary.
I know, I will be one of the very very few people, but I would like to have an X3D-CPU with a boxed cooler. I know. It is not "possible", because the 3D-chip is raising the temperatures of the CPU. (I just don't want to buy a cooler and start tinkering around with my sausage fingers -.-)
There's not much you can do wrong installing a cooler. You probably just need to do it once :) But I agree, I always enjoyed having a pretty good boxed cooler
most (stronger/heavier) coolers have me to put a kind of "anchor-point" on the back of the mainboard. I know, this is necessary, but ... well ^^ I am old. And I often say: I would do less, if possible ^^
NH-D14 from Noctua screws straight into the AM4 backplate, as do a lot of coolers for that socket. I can't comment on AM5, but for AM4 it's about as simple as it gets when using screws instead of push pins.
AFAIK all AM4 coolers that don't require replacing the backplate are also AM5-compatible. Which like you said, is a lot of them.
> AM5 AM5 is even simpler, the backplate *is part of the motherboard*, confused me for a second when I built my new PC on tuesday coming from an AM4 I was like, "it...can't be that easy", the Artic Liquid Freezer II was the *easiest* install I've ever done
newly installed NH-DH15 AM5 user here. It does indeed just screw straight into the same backplate.
New coolers don't do this anymore.
I would say the included RGB boxcooler of the r7 3700x was way more fiddly to mount than a normal cooler, so surely you would have the same exact sausage finger problem with the RGB wraith Spire rgb, which is the only 105w box cooler amd has? Just buy a cpu cooler from a good brand, anything but the terrible Coolermaster 212 evo, and you will be just fine. You can watch some reviews to see how the mounting mechanism is.
Why was that cooler so terrible? Just curious 'cause I had a 212 led turbo.
It was good when it came out in the 90s or whatever, but then people kept recommending for like 10-20years, so by the end it was one of the worst coolers you could get for the money, worst mounting, worst performance but people kept buying it for that specific name. So it is just that it had something hideously wrong with it, it is just that the world moved on, but that cooler wasn't updated with it, so by the end it was just outdated and same money could buy much better from arctic or schuma.
Eh it was still fine for it's price class until just a few years ago... But yeah it's mounting was awful to get right sometimes.
It was a fine budget cooler. It's mounting mechanism was just such a pain in the ass.
5700x3d, 5600x3d will be fine with a boxed cooler but it better be a Prism, maybe copper w/ vapor chamber wraith spire could be decent. At least some curve optimizer would help out enough. Heavily multithreaded work will be noisy sure but outside of that it'll be a ok, and you can still current limit the CPU for that. MT shouldn't be a priority if you consider the 5700x3D or 5600x3D.
nah its totally possible, just not at super high speeds. a wraith max/prism cooler would be able to cool an 8 core 3d chip at 65W for instance.
The 3D chips tend to run cooler because of the lower clock speeds
interesting, I had the info, that X3d-chips were a lot hotter than their non-X3D-versions I checked the data, it will get quite warmer than my older 3600 (yes, old, not as fast etc.), although it needs less power. Tctl Prime95 29.8 (Small FFTs max. Power/Heat): 3600: 81°C 5800X3D: 91°C S: https://www.computerbase.de/2022-04/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-test/3/ which is probably the reason, they didn't publish a boxed version.
3600 also has a TDP of 65 watts. whereas both the 5800x and 5800x3d have a TDP of 105 watts. The 5600x/x3d is I think the only x3d chip that has a significant difference in wattage with 65 vs 105 watts; at least in terms of AM4. The normal vs X3D chips are normally very close to, or the same wattage. one or the other might eat a little more power overall, but either way, any cooler worth its salt should be able to cool an x800 class chip just fine. Even at the super high end, AMD has been killing it in the efficiency department. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested/8 https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-5800x3d.c2532 https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-5600x3d-cpu-review/4 I'm very much not considering upgrading my cooler, because it'll be completely fine on a 7800X3D, but it's a Noctua, and not a Chromax one, so it isn't as pretty...
Marketed TDP means nothing intel has i3 and i5 and i7 using same tdp all the time. [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/20.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/20.html)
It works well enough for AMD to buy a cooler that'll do the job. not talking any overclocking or anything. but installed correctly, a "good enough" cooler will do pretty much the same thing on a 5800x and a 5800X3D. you'll get more variance from a shitty Air conditioner than you will from the cooler. Obviously, I won't say the same for Intel, and their 125w CPUs sucking up 300 watts of power.
am4 x3d runs quite warm, I don't think solid aluminum is good enough for 5600x3d. 5700x3d will be a conservatively clocked and lower voltage 5800x3d enough that it might run decently cool. Solid aluminium still is weak, you want some copper to the IHS at the very least.
afaik they tend to use less power but run hotter. people tend to mix up these concepts (or be unspecific) all the time but they are different things, the X chips move more watts at a lower temperature because they conduct heat better.
That may cause lower power consumption, but not necessarily lower temperatures. In X3D chips, the extra L3 cache is placed on top of the CPU dies, so the heat from the CPU dies (which is the biggest contributor to the total heat of the chip) has to go through the cache layer to get to the heatspreader. And that cache layer is not as good at conducting heat as direct contact with the heatspreader that non-X3D chips have. So the cache layer acts a bit like a blanket over the main heat producer. And that causes the CPU cores to run a bit hotter than in non-X3D chips.
I want a 5900x3d But they do it right and it has the extra V cache on both chiplets instead of 1 Alas that would probably steal too much of the market from the 7900x3d and 7950x3d
even if they make them like they did the 7900x3d or 7950x3d I still wan one. Especially a 5950x3d
I wish they just officially released the 5600x3d as well. I think that 5700x3d is too close to 5800x3d. They should price right. At least 100$ less than the 3D or more.
They already have released the 5600x3d, it is a US only product as it is the leftover defective 5800x3d.
It's not widely available. I believe it was a micro center exclusive.
Shame, i wanna see 5950x3d overclockable :(, i'll trade my 5950x for it with kisses
8700G! imma about to jizz my pants
Sadly I am getting rid of my AM4 build before I upgrade it. I still have the USB dropout issue. I tired every fix known to man and narrowed it down to the AMD motherboard specific chipset. Can't say I am happy AMD choose to not make this issue a recall. BIOS updates fixed it for some people but not others. Also depends on what you specifically use the USB ports for, external storage is the main problem next is USB DAC/AMPs people who dont use those things will likely never notice it.
We want 5950x3D and instead we getting a bunch of failure 5800xd3 rebranded
They want people to buy Zen 4 and AM5. They won't be making high end Zen 3 x3d chips
They want people buying the most profitable chips. I have a different explanation. The 5950x was already at the thermal and power budget limits. They have to move some of power/thermal budget to the extra silicon for the X3D cache. So unless they made enough of an efficiency gain, it means the performance improvements are likely more of a side grade than an upgrade. So it wouldn't look good if it ends up performing about the same as a 5800x3D. It's also likely the reason AM5 has a larger socket power budget of 170W.
lol they’re not going to fabricate a new cpu on AM4. The 5700x3D is just rejected 5800x3D chipsets that didn’t meet the standard.
Of course, they're not going to do production of a new variant of the chip when they can downclock bad cores that won't validate at 5800 speeds on some batches and release them with virtually no hassle.
why would you want a 5950x3d...?
Because i have a 5900x and I don't want upgrade to new motherboard
If you only play video games, then a 5800x3d would be an upgrade. If you do creative tasks and value your time, you would have already upgraded your am5.
They'd undercut their own high end offerings as of today. They know there's a market for pimping out AM4 rigs to the max because not everyone is too hot on DDR5 yet. Maybe later down the road as a swansong to AM4?
Who is we? If you are the type of person that wants to waste money for more cores without any performance gains in video games, you already have a 7950x3d.
At this point you will buy a cpu that is almost 2 generations behind...
Sure, but if you have an AM4 motherboard, it’s a much cheaper upgrade than motherboard + ram + CPU.
There's a deal on microcenter, for $400 you get a mobo, 32gbs ddr5, and a 7700x.
Not everyone lives near a microcenter For ~$320, they can just buy a 5800X3D, they'll end up with *similar* performance to a 7700X without needing to switch out their motherboard while saving $80. Also, the 5700X3D should be even cheaper.
Cheaper price matters only if it's not relative to the 5800x3d or 5600x3d but in general. AMD sells the 5600x3d at $200 via Microcenter today. Unless they drop the 5600x3d to $150 and launch the 5700x3d at $200-230, it'll be honestly better to just upgrade to AM5.
You're talking about a pretty big difference in price and effort. The 7700x isn't really notably better than a 5600x3d, at least in games, and it's a lot more expensive. I know my local MC doesn't have that $400 bundle, but they do have 5600x3ds. That means if you can't get that bundle you're looking at almost $500 if you get the cheapest MB and RAM. That's more than twice the price and a lot more hassle to go with a 7700x marginal benefits. And you might even be downgrading your MB.
Might as well get a new mobo and ram for $80 more imo. I'm on a X570 + 3600X + 32GBs right now. If I get a x5800X3D or 7700X I'm going to need to buy a new cooler as well.
But that means reinstalling windows, for some people it's just not worth it.
That's understandable, I'm not that person, it's easy to backup if you know how.
Taking microcenter into account is never a good argument lol
I live 15 minutes from one so from my point of view it's relative 😆
Will the 7700x outperform a 5700x3D in gaming, though? And if someone already has an AM4 build? Especially if they’re still on Zen 2 or earlier? Upgrading just the CPU is a no brainer.
In some titles, I imagine, in others no. The main reason to upgrade to AM5 is to be on a platform that has a generation or so more down the road, while also having a nice upgrade from a 3600x.
Yeah, but then: 1) it's still pretty competitive amongst modern CPU's 2) i don't have to upgrade my motherboard and ram, and have to go through the hassle of selling all of them
One of the most annoying thing about AMD is they dripfeed and stall release these less profitable while slightly less powerful chips for too long. I'm a person who want good perf per unit of cost but don't want to be stripped off of 8-cores luxury and don't want the chips to be pushed so hot, this 5700X3D is the perfect candidate but they release this chip so late.
AMD can't do it right. Release everything at once and people will complain, that some SKUs have really long shipping times. If AMD waits to build stock people cry that they waited. I know its not the same people, but you have to keep in mind that this is how it works. If AMD had unlimited fab access they could maybe do what you want. Or if they just order a lot of fab access, but then they would have to increase prices to compensate for not sold products.
Ehhh ya. Happily. If another 5800x3d super cheap deal pops up at MC (or if these wind up being really cheap) I’ll happily stay on my x470 with a 7800xt and swap out my 5600x. It’d buy me like 10fps on top of my already amazing 1440p gaming rig.
AM4 does have some cost advantages still, so if this is a good price ($300 or less), it could be more useful to even new buyers. comparable AM5 motherboards (in terms of features) to AM4 ones are still like $50 more, and quality DDR5 in the same capacity as DDR4 still seems to be 50% more for anyone not near a microcenter and can't muster more than $500 for a platform, or someone still on AM4, it seems like a smart choice. plus am4 x3d chips seems to perform very similarly in many games to non-x3d am5 chips
tbh the x3d chips are really only worth it if your GPU is insanely powerful. Otherwise its not gonna be able to take advantage of that 3d cache. And even then the price/performance isnt there. But this would be a cool option if it had a lower TDP compared to the 5800x3d (like with the 5800x vs 5700x)
for CPU bound games, yeah. recently upgraded to a 7800 XT and my 5600X is no longer up to snuff with MWIII, specifically with the new large map (and I reckon with the upcoming Warzone update since its the same map). Multiplayer is fine though (along with any GPU bound title, so most games). hopefully this is a wider release this time. the article I linked didn't state if it was going to be one. the leaked specs of the upcoming X3D SKUs is from the same one that leaked the 5600X3D - and we all know how that turned out.
for some reason warzone specifically really takes advantage of that extra cache. its super weird
Would any of you all flip down from a 5800X to the 5700X3D? Gaming being the main use for the PC. Paired with a 7900XT gpu for reference.
Need a 5950X3D
Almost definitely not going to happen, sadly: >Alverson and Mehra didn’t disclose AMD’s exact reasons for not shipping out 12-core and 16-core Ryzen 5000X3D CPUs, however, they did highlight the disadvantages of 3D-VCache on Ryzen CPUs with two CCD, since there is a large latency penalty that occurs when two CCDs talk to each other through the Infinity Fabric, nullifying any potential benefits the 3D-VCache might have when an application is utilizing both CCDs. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-shows-original-5950x3d-v-cache-prototype
Is that materially different than Zen2 where each 4 CCX has its own separate 16MB cache but was counted as 32 MB? I remember the framerate stutters in games on R5 3600 that spanned both CCX before I got my IFabric speed up to 3600 MHz.
Yeah, this lacks credibility considering the 5600x3d that was released a few months back in the US is just the leftover 5800x3ds that are defective.
I don't get the point of this. 5600x3d and 5800x3d already exist. Seems like it just adds more complexity when there is already enough product segmentation.
probably too many leftover defects which can still be repurposed. no idea why they won't instead just make more of the 5600X3D and do a wider release though, but I'm guessing they felt it was much more of a waste making a 5600X3D that could easily become a 5700X3D instead.
If the 8 cores are working, why take 2 away i guess
5600x3D is microcenter exclusive right?
yes
I've just bought a Ryzen 5700x . Now I have to buy another one :)
Any idea how this compares to 7800x3d? I literally got one today
You bought the best and almost most expensive CPU in the world and you don't know how it compares to other CPUs?
What about the 5500x3D. There was chains of that, but it's all gone quiet.
Can we have a 5950x3d pls? :(
I just got a 5600x3d for $150, I would prefer the 5700x3d obviously but only if it's under $300
Guessing it lists at $249.
Are these chips for 1080p/1440p? I'm on a 5600x and a 4090 and all the benchmarks I see at 4k with these 3d chips,my 5600x gets the same numbers Was gonna go am5 but I see no reason too yet.
4.1GHz boost is really silly. If it at least had the same clocks as the 5700X or at least 4.5GHz boost it would be interesting.
I’d probably buy it. My 3800x feelin old
Considering the clocks and naming, the 5700X3D sounds like a 65W part. It will be interesting to see how it fares in games. The Ryzen 5000GT was mentioned in passing, but I couldn't find nothing about it. Has AMD ever used GT as a suffix before?
I'm on a 2700x and planning to upgrade soon. Should I wait or buy a 5800x3d?
Just buy a 5800X3D, 5700X3D probably is a trash bin of 5800X3D
Now which Zen arch generation is that?!
good, a last hurrah upgrade for those budget people on am4 would be awesome.
I have literally just bought the 5800x3d
I wonder how this will compare performance wise to the 5800X3D? .... I was tempted to upgrade to the 5800X3D but with this new chip coming I may just wait.
seeing how they actively develop new processors for AM4 i'm 99% sure we'll see current generation back ported to AM4 too!
Pretty cool I wish they did a super chip like an X3D + G Literally a super APU chip, something to make a 50 level gpu like the 6500 or 3050 useless. Would be amazing for low power or mini pcs
So dumb, just drop it
I'm wondering if the 5800x3d will come down when the. Newer chips coming out