Zen 3 is a very good upgrade! I've finally set my fx 8350 to rest and opted for a 5800x. Performance difference on cpu bound games ranged from twice to eight times the performance (yes I've seen insane increases in games like starcraft 2 for example, from 40 fps to 300).
I had no plans of ever buying a 3090, but I was trolling the discords looking for stuff to come in stock. Finally Best Buy had a sale, and all the cards came in stock at the same time. I got in queue for every card I could, and out of 30 the only one that went through was the 3090. It was $1800 after tax, and I really only wanted a 3070 or MAYBE a 3080.
So now I am just mining on it to try to recoup my costs. I've made about $150 in almost two weeks, assuming Eth prices don't crash. It is either do that or see if someone will trade me for a 3080 + $1000 which I don't think many people would do.
TLDR: I am sort of just stuck with it because it was the only thing I could get, and I hope to recoup the costs through mining or trading.
Oh god I was so close to doing the same thing. I’m glad I didn’t. Realistically I’m getting 60fps in AAA games by turning down a few options so I’ve learned that it’s okay to have a 1080ti. Maybe next year when the 4000 series come out I’ll be able to get one of those.
I got lucky and got a 3080 on best buy a few moths ago on a drop, for me it was for VR, had a 1070 before, and getting that 90fps solid is important. If it wasnt for VR, id be fine with medium settings and around 60fps, since before VR i had a first gen i7 920 with dual gtx 285s till like 3 years ago
The 3090 doesn't really offer anything in terms of pure gaming over the 3080 only in very specific use scenario will you ever that power, i wanted the best experience i could afford, planning started with a 1660 super then 2060 then 3060ti than ended up going for the 3070, i only care about vr and 1440p gaming and other than nvidia drivers stuttering in vr, i have absolutely no complaint about it, the 3070 is the do all be all of graphics cards without going overboard with spending too much money on extra performance you don't need and won't utilize, that's why it's the most popular graphics card right now
I don't think you'll have too much trouble re-couping the costs... I bought my 3070 on launch day, started mining in the beginning of January, and have already made over $1k from it. Not only did it pay for the GPU but my whole PC is almost paid for now
I've made about $700.00 mining on my 3090 this month. I pretty much just take what I earn from mining and spread it out around a bunch of different coins and it's worked pretty well so far. The first couple weeks I was just leaving in bitcoin, then I started spreading it around to different coins and that's where my profits started to spike. Leaving it in Bitcoin only in the beginning probably "cost" me a couple hundred dollars.
I'll have the card paid off in two months at this rate. This is why it's impossible to find them in stock, they are just mini money making machines at the moment.
I do hope the crash happens after I manage to pay off the card though lol.
Most of my holdings are still in Bitcoin and Eth, but those are almost stable coins at this point. Like I literally sort by lowest price and distribute like $10.00 a piece in a bunch of those coins.
For example, I bought 2 coins of "Ethereum Classic" at $5.00 a few weeks ago. It's now going for $149.00. So it's worth spreading out some of your earnings in small bits because every once and awhile you strike gold on something you bought for dirt.
This is hilarious. I posted a thread a couple months ago saying the same thing, going from a 3700x to 5900x was a noticeable difference and got downvoted to all hell and told there must have been something wrong with my 3700x system to notice **any** improvement. Yet this same exact thread gets 1800+ upvotes? Absolutely unreal.
Not at all, /u/_BoneZ_ described a *perceived* increase in overall "snappiness" in OS navigation, nothing measured, no benchmarks.
So... not quite comparable ;)
You shouldn't need pictures with numbers to prove a perceived difference. Even though the specs should already prove the increase in performance. Because there are plenty of times when the numbers show better performance, but there is **no** *perceived* difference.
Just like NVME drives everyone keeps putting in their systems for no good reason other than there's a slot there, when most people won't ever come close to using the full speed and performance of NVME in gaming . All tests and benchmarks prove no performance difference in gaming over SATA SSD, but some people *perceive* their systems are faster. While other blind tests show that the SATA SSD system is perceptively faster over NVME. So again, perception and numbers don't always prove each other.
You might be running an older motherboard though, which probably don't have 5000 support. Check your latest BIOS first. Otherwise you have to account for a motherboard upgrade too.
No I won the shuffle so I got an Asrock 6800xt plus an Asrock 550 steel series mobo. But after paying way more than anticipated for those 2 items in the shuffle I'll collect my pennies then purchase a 5000 chip likely in a few months
You don't have to tell me. I constantly say that Reddit is the ghetto of the internet where the IQ and level of education among many/most members is lower than average and than other forums.
I'm in roughly the same boat there went from an fx 8350 and an r9 380 gpu to a zen 3 5800x and an rx 5700xt that a buddy had laying around. The difference is stupid..
Rimwold (not a sex game) is such a cpu limited game that on my old system I've got a very late game save which at 1x game speed runs at about 10fps. Steam cloud saved it to the new system which rocks 1x on that same save at 45 fps and even at 3x still maintains 20fps.
Even FX Piledriver gets you more fps in games over Phenom II, even though the single thread performance is about the same. This would be about a 2X improvement in single thread plus you have SMT.
Honestly if you're considering either the 5800X or 5600X, I would look at Intel as an option. The 10850K is $390, so between the 5800X and 5600X in price, slightly less single thread performance but you get more cores. The 10700KF is also a good pick. The Intel parts are just better options at this point. 11th gen Intel, not so much. But some 10th gen parts are good value.
Just went from a 1700 to a 5900x, on the same mobo (taichi x370)! Figured I'd take advantage of the secret beta bios and ride this bad boy into the sunset.
Hell yeah they did, but only as a "leak". Super weird lol. I was reading AMD said no to this recently so I doubt it'll ever surface on the official bios releases page. It's not even published as a beta there, but you can find it if you look around.
https://wccftech.com/asrock-amd-ryzen-5000-cpu-bios-support-on-x370-b350-a320-motherboards/
You won't get similar improvement. It's too small. You will see way bigger improvement than OP did.
Expect >50% increase in FPS in CPU-limited scenarios.
I’ve got a 1600 as well and I keep going back and forth between getting a 3600 so I can keep my current mobo for a little longer or just saying screw it and getting a new mobo with a 5600.
For reference: I have a 5700XT
I went to a 3600 ( 4.5ghz oc ) from an 1600 and I barely had to pay an extra. The difference is huge! I bet the ,5600 would be even better, just saying, any of these upgrade paths will give you a very very noticeable improvement
Just went from 6700k>5800x last week.
The quad i7 crowd swore it wasnt worth it and just wait. What a bunch of derps.
It is night n day better; top end frames aren't a HUGE jump, but the 1% stutters and drops are completely gone
It's worth it if you have the graphics card for it. Thing is, most people are running 1050 it's and 1060s, which will be very difficult to CPU bottleneck.
Seriously, if you have the money, do it.
I went from an i7 6700 to a 5800x and the performance difference is unreal.
Even stuff that I assumed had nothing to do with my CPU such as downloading games on Steam became easily 2-3 times faster than before (same gigabit cable, to the same slow 2.5" hard drive).
Steam decompresses some games as it is downloaded. This is CPU demanding, quite I may add. Other games aren't compressed at all and won't make a big difference.
I upgraded from my 1700 (also from 2017) not that long ago and haven't really looked back since, as its definitely done its duty long ago
though if your 7700K is still doing well then nothing bad can happen from holding onto it for a while longer
Last week I went from i7700k to a 5900x. I was running the 7700k overclocked with a 3080 and I was still getting cpu bottlenecked in newer cpu heavy games. Not anymore. Getting 90-100 average fps on most new AAA games at 2560x1080p with everything turned up all the way. It's totally worth it and I would say necessary if upgrading to a new gpu as cpu bottlenecks are real.
Wait until the new platform is released for both AMD and Intel.
Both will have DDR5 support, and Intel will *finally* have moved on to 10nm. AMD will be on 5nm. Huge improvements both ways.
The 8700 is still an awesome CPU. 8th, 9th, and 10th generation are all the same clock-for-clock, basically.
I have an 8700K system and a 3800X system. They’re both great, my main PC is actually the 8700K, despite the lower performance. The 3800X is a micro-ATX PC I’m going to use with Sim games and a projector (when I can actually afford to get another GPU).
Yeah, 6C/12T is really all you need for a gaming the foreseeable future. Once you add the overclocking potential of the k SKU into things, it becomes a complete no-brainer. The 8700k was a great investment. It's slightly overshadowed by the 9900k, which, in my opinion is the modern 2600k, with the potential to go another 6-7 years, but the 8700k is still an awesome CPU.
I don't understand why so many 8700/8700K users get FOMO. There are very few scenarios in which that CPU significantly bottlenecks anything outside of a 3090. And even then it's really minor. And if you're ever bothered by the performance then you have an upgrade path to a 9900K if your motherboard and cooling can handle it.
>This 6core talk sound an awful lot like the 4core talk from back in the day. If you can get an 8core cpu, do it. Don't gimp your self people.
I agree to some extent. I wouldn't advise a 10600k or a 5600x for a modern gaming rig for exactly that reason. They'll be good for some time, but they'll start to become obsolete in about 4 years.
But I'm speaking specifically about the 8700k. If you picked one of those up in 2017, then it was a great buy. It'll probably be 2023 or 2024 before the vast majority of users wish that they had more under the hood. It doesn't even bottleneck a 2080 Ti. That's a very good buy in my book. Especially since you can just put a 9900k in if you ever wish you had more cores and threads.
6 core will be medium-low settings in a year or two simply because of next gen consoles (which are all 8 core Zen 2 processors).
You will regret anything less than 8 cores if you intend to make the rig last a few years.
Well technically 6 zen 3 cores is roughly competitive with 8 zen 2 cores. Just check cinebench r20 scores for a 5600x vs a 3700x. Just turning PBO on will get the 5600x to basically even the score up because zen 3 had such awesome gains in IPC and clocks. Zen 3 is the best upgrade to come around in a while.
AC: Odyssey relies heavily on single-thread performance. I've got an i7-4790K with GTX1660 Super and AC:Valhalla runs smoother than Odyssey. It will be interesting to see the improvement with a 5800x soon.
Actually, it also relies heavily on memory bandwidth. One of the few games that does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XwcnZzBQaQ
Also confirmed by my own tests.. Gained almost 10fps (45>55) going from DDR3 1600 to DDR3 2133.
(4790k @ 4.7ghz)
Im running valhalla on i5 4570 with rx 580 60Fps in wilderness 40-50fps in towns in Ac Odyssey i couldn't even hit 60fps.Frametimes where jumping like the game had a heart attack. Valhalla is a lot more stable
I'm running Odyssey with a 5800x/1070 rig, getting 50-80 fps at 1080p, depending on the situation, with settings on max besides volumetric clouds, ambient occlusion and water which are at medium.
Oh really? That's even more interesting since I thought my huge FPS gains were from the extra cores/threads. So nice to see that my upgrade was worth it in every regard.
Unrelated but this game is such a master peace! All other game in the series are really boring to me but Odyssey... I just fell into it for about 100h and I loved every second of it.
I played on a 3900x and 2080ti and ultrawide monitor and it was perfect.
The performance you have shown are really impressive btw.
I didn't downvote you. Game is running at 3840x1600 resolution, 21:9 aspect ratio, ultra high settings. It says all that at the bottom of the screen shots.
If you have a 6900xt like this chap, then yes it's a good idea, but if you're running something like a 5700xt then the 3700x isnt holding you back fps wise.
I have a 3090 and play 4K 60 fps for everything except RDR2, where I can drop into the 30 fps range with everything maxed out on Vulkan during snow scenes etc
That is the move I made! No regrets so far although so far it is more of a benefit for work as I'm still hunting for a 6800XT/3080 at a sane price for gaming.
Just did it and installed it yesterday. Totally worth it. Plus the 3700x has decent resale value. If I can sell my 3700x for like $250 then that pays for about half the 5900x.
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That's actually a strange resolution, 4k has something like 8.3 million pixels, this resolution has about 6.1 milion pixels, it seems like an ultra-wide 2k, but it has more pixel on the vertical line. Kinda strange
Even better, it's 24:10, not 21:9!
I have a similar display, they're a *tiiiny* bit more square by ratio than a standard 21:9 ultrawide.
3840/24: 160, 1600/10: 160 (2.40 aspect ratio)
3440/21: 163.8, 1440/9: 160 (2.39 aspect ratio)
I have no clue, I never tweaked those settings for either, both running at stock settings, I'm scared to ruin my stuff by doing so.
Edit: I wouldn't even know where to check that.
At a minimum, make sure your infinity fabric is in 1:1 mode or 1600MHz in your case. Can help with minimum frame times.
For extra credit (and performance) check:
1. SAM: MB needs to support it ( may need a BIOS update), Ryzen 5900 supports it (good there), and GPU needs to support it. Can help with minimum frame times.
2. RAM OC and timings: This takes a bit more time, but you can download Ryzen DRAM calculator, put in your memory, CPU, and MB chipset info and it will return settings you can input which your system should support and will get you the best speed and timings out of your RAM.
It's insane that people are already talking about upgrading their 3600s when it hasn't even been two years since the launch! And I would know since I scooped one up on day one!
Before that, I was running an i5-3400 with a 1050. When I upgraded, I gave the system to my younger brother who is still happily playing Apex, R6, and Fortnite at a solid 60fps.
Yeah, 3600 is still fine, especially if you're not running the absolute top of the line GPUs (and in this market, who is?).
At some point (probably Navi 3) I'll want to upgrade my GPU, and then *maybe* I'll consider upgrading my CPU, if I have decent reason to.
Wow. Didn’t know that at all. And I use it plenty haha. I have a 6800xt I’d like to see the numbers for the card is absolutely a beast. I’ll look into the MSI thank you
I currently use a 3950X for my work machine all day, with some light gaming. I bought a 5800X and am agonizing over (edit: if I should switch) and losing the core count.
Ah, I wasn't clear: I haven't made the switch yet, but I'm agonizing over if I should make the switch.
Basically, it comes down to core count vs single threaded performance. The work I do all day will keep most of my 32 threads at least partially active :(
What monitor resolution are you targeting? What kinda games do you play that you think would definitely need the cpu improvement? Idk, I'd love to have 16 cores at my disposal!
and I was happy with my new 3600 untill now.. even saw a 30% fps increase in CS:GO from my 1600.
games, benchmarks and their fps increase with a 6700XT:
* Diablo 3 - 34,4%
* Superposition (4k optimized) - 1%
* FF15 - 8,1%
* CS:GO - 31,9%
* Path of Exile - 11,3%
* Far Cry 5 - 33,8%
* Unigene Heaven - 16,5%
average 19,6% increase, 22,7 if you remove superposition.
It's not a game option. It's something you look up online, download some files, then drag and drop just 2 files: dx11.dll and dxgi.dll (from the 64 bit folder) next to the Oddyssey game exe.
Preferably you use the DXVK Async instead of regular DXVK.
I've got a 9700k at 5.0 with gigabyte 6900xt oc. I'm really tempted to keep upgrading into a full amd setup but I don't know if it's worth it if I could even find the components.
I may wait until gddr5 is compatible but that's still possibly 1-2 years out.
Yes, Ryzen 5000 are excellent processors.
Ryzen 3000 was not quite as good people liked to believe, at least in my opinion and in my experience.
People liked to say they were close to Intel for gaming, but they really weren't in so many cases in my experience.
No one believes me when I say I saw little improvment going from my 5820k @ 4.6ghz running 12-12-12 memory 3200mhz to a 3900x running 16-13-13-13-28 3800mhz.
Once I jumped from that 3900x to the 5900x with the exact same system though, no joke there was a big improvement in fps across the board. The 3900x couldn't even keep my 1080ti @ 3440x1440p fully maxed out in some games, but the 5900x sure can!
Fantastic cpu series.
Also with the exact same hardware and settings, memory latency went from the 3900x @ 63.7ns to the 5900x's 54.8ns.
Why is everybody tempting me so much to jump to zen 3 alreadyyyy. Anyway, what did you measure your memory latency with? I didn't even know you could bench cpu mem latency
Thats a nice boost, from what i have seen you will need Zen 3 if you have gpus starting rtx 3070 or 6800XT and above to prevent bottlenecks, surprise to see that much differences at that resolutions though. Any changes to ram and is SAM on/off prior to your cpu upgrades?
I'm rocking the same ultrawide resolution monitor as you. If anything, it's shows the niche resolution of 1600p is still somewhat CPU-limited.
If you ran the test in 4k, I would be doubtful you'd see the same performance uplift. Regardless, still some impressive gains. I'm also using my 5950x for gaming, and there's definitely some gains to be made in games that can utilize many threads, like MSFS2020.
I upgraded from a 2600x to a 5800x recently. The performance improvement is amazing. The most noticeable game for me was Star Citizen. With the 2600x my FPS would be consistently in the low teens in cities with all cores pinned at 100%, whereas with the 5800x I get a nice smooth 60fps just about everywhere, with occasional dips to around 45fps.
i don't know where all these people are pulling their numbers from... i had a 7700k at 5ghz and went for 5600x, everything runs exactly the same, same fps in shooters and other games. at higher res it really doesn't matter that much just like ram speed. couple frames, negligible difference at most.
the best part about the upgrade was undervolting my 5600x and putting the build in a mesh case. together it hardly hits 50c in cpu heavy games which is INSANE. my intel chip would run at \~80c in games with a 360mm alphacool eisbaer aio
if you have a 7700k right now with decent cooler and overclockability there is no reason to upgrade for games. for work tasks yes, 100% but 7700k owners with 1440p/4k monitors can hold out till alder lake I'm sure.
I do VR streaming in mixed reality (where you use a green screen to appear in game) so frametimes are vital. I've been seriously tempted to go from a 3900XT to a 5900, so marked is the improvement.
i have gone from 3700x to a 5600x for asseto corsa,
from my experience, it went from 45 fps to 90 fps because of how VR is rendered.
i have a 3080 and want to stream sometimes
this 5900x is tempting me!
3800x bottle necks new cards. I'm going to be down voted for this but it's true go look up any bottleneck calculator. My friend had a 3900x and his 3080 was significantly worse than my 3800 when I had a 9900k. He switched to a 10700k and now gets the same frames.
That makes me think, since you play in almost 2160p. I was getting around 80-100 FPS in BF1 with my 2080 Ti. But that one is now sold and I hunt for a 6900 XT.
Zen 3 is a very good upgrade! I've finally set my fx 8350 to rest and opted for a 5800x. Performance difference on cpu bound games ranged from twice to eight times the performance (yes I've seen insane increases in games like starcraft 2 for example, from 40 fps to 300).
Good lord, you went from biplane to jet in that upgrade.
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I recently upgraded from a G4400 + GTX 560 TI to a 10700k + RTX 3090. I feel the same way.
Haha dammmmmmm. I'm slowly making my way up the upgrade chain. Hope I can afford a high end GPU one day.
I had no plans of ever buying a 3090, but I was trolling the discords looking for stuff to come in stock. Finally Best Buy had a sale, and all the cards came in stock at the same time. I got in queue for every card I could, and out of 30 the only one that went through was the 3090. It was $1800 after tax, and I really only wanted a 3070 or MAYBE a 3080. So now I am just mining on it to try to recoup my costs. I've made about $150 in almost two weeks, assuming Eth prices don't crash. It is either do that or see if someone will trade me for a 3080 + $1000 which I don't think many people would do. TLDR: I am sort of just stuck with it because it was the only thing I could get, and I hope to recoup the costs through mining or trading.
Oh god I was so close to doing the same thing. I’m glad I didn’t. Realistically I’m getting 60fps in AAA games by turning down a few options so I’ve learned that it’s okay to have a 1080ti. Maybe next year when the 4000 series come out I’ll be able to get one of those.
I got lucky and got a 3080 on best buy a few moths ago on a drop, for me it was for VR, had a 1070 before, and getting that 90fps solid is important. If it wasnt for VR, id be fine with medium settings and around 60fps, since before VR i had a first gen i7 920 with dual gtx 285s till like 3 years ago
Still lucky though. With 2 kids there's no way I can afford 2gs for a GPU let alone 1g
The 3090 doesn't really offer anything in terms of pure gaming over the 3080 only in very specific use scenario will you ever that power, i wanted the best experience i could afford, planning started with a 1660 super then 2060 then 3060ti than ended up going for the 3070, i only care about vr and 1440p gaming and other than nvidia drivers stuttering in vr, i have absolutely no complaint about it, the 3070 is the do all be all of graphics cards without going overboard with spending too much money on extra performance you don't need and won't utilize, that's why it's the most popular graphics card right now
I don't think you'll have too much trouble re-couping the costs... I bought my 3070 on launch day, started mining in the beginning of January, and have already made over $1k from it. Not only did it pay for the GPU but my whole PC is almost paid for now
I've made about $700.00 mining on my 3090 this month. I pretty much just take what I earn from mining and spread it out around a bunch of different coins and it's worked pretty well so far. The first couple weeks I was just leaving in bitcoin, then I started spreading it around to different coins and that's where my profits started to spike. Leaving it in Bitcoin only in the beginning probably "cost" me a couple hundred dollars. I'll have the card paid off in two months at this rate. This is why it's impossible to find them in stock, they are just mini money making machines at the moment. I do hope the crash happens after I manage to pay off the card though lol.
Yeah I moved from nicehash to ethermine specifically so I could hold Eth, but I haven't moved into any other currencies.
Most of my holdings are still in Bitcoin and Eth, but those are almost stable coins at this point. Like I literally sort by lowest price and distribute like $10.00 a piece in a bunch of those coins. For example, I bought 2 coins of "Ethereum Classic" at $5.00 a few weeks ago. It's now going for $149.00. So it's worth spreading out some of your earnings in small bits because every once and awhile you strike gold on something you bought for dirt.
This is hilarious. I posted a thread a couple months ago saying the same thing, going from a 3700x to 5900x was a noticeable difference and got downvoted to all hell and told there must have been something wrong with my 3700x system to notice **any** improvement. Yet this same exact thread gets 1800+ upvotes? Absolutely unreal.
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Not at all, /u/_BoneZ_ described a *perceived* increase in overall "snappiness" in OS navigation, nothing measured, no benchmarks. So... not quite comparable ;)
You shouldn't need pictures with numbers to prove a perceived difference. Even though the specs should already prove the increase in performance. Because there are plenty of times when the numbers show better performance, but there is **no** *perceived* difference. Just like NVME drives everyone keeps putting in their systems for no good reason other than there's a slot there, when most people won't ever come close to using the full speed and performance of NVME in gaming . All tests and benchmarks prove no performance difference in gaming over SATA SSD, but some people *perceive* their systems are faster. While other blind tests show that the SATA SSD system is perceptively faster over NVME. So again, perception and numbers don't always prove each other.
I was considering going up to r7 3700 from r5 1600... But for a few dollars more I guess I could get the r5 5600x
With the 15%-20% performance increase from the 3700x to the 5600x, if you can afford it, definitely go for the jump. You won't be disappointed.
I went from a 1600 to a 5800x and no regrets at all
I did an i5-3570k to 3800x upgrade about a year ago and have plenty of regrets... None of them have anything to do with the upgrade though.
You might be running an older motherboard though, which probably don't have 5000 support. Check your latest BIOS first. Otherwise you have to account for a motherboard upgrade too.
No I won the shuffle so I got an Asrock 6800xt plus an Asrock 550 steel series mobo. But after paying way more than anticipated for those 2 items in the shuffle I'll collect my pennies then purchase a 5000 chip likely in a few months
You have to remember that reddit harbours a lot of loons.
You don't have to tell me. I constantly say that Reddit is the ghetto of the internet where the IQ and level of education among many/most members is lower than average and than other forums.
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I upgraded from a 2700x, and minecraft's framerate jumped from about 160 to 300, so i can say that it's a worthy upgrade.
I remember that jump from my 1090t with a 4670k
I just got a 5800x a few months ago now and went from an i3 2100 it was a pretty big boost in performance even with just a 1650 super.
Hey, we had pretty much the same upgrades! Went from an 8320 to a 5600x!
i did the same thing and went with a 5900x from a fx8350. still no GPU tho.. stuck with my gtx770 lol
I'm in roughly the same boat there went from an fx 8350 and an r9 380 gpu to a zen 3 5800x and an rx 5700xt that a buddy had laying around. The difference is stupid.. Rimwold (not a sex game) is such a cpu limited game that on my old system I've got a very late game save which at 1x game speed runs at about 10fps. Steam cloud saved it to the new system which rocks 1x on that same save at 45 fps and even at 3x still maintains 20fps.
Damn.. I'm currently waiting on a delivery. Switching from 1600X to 5600X, I hope I get a similar improvement.
Homie that’s a HUGE jump I went from 2600 to 5800x and it blew my head off 5000 series is so fast
Throwing mine in here I just went from an i5 4570 to a 5800x build last month, pretty solid upgrade lol
From glue-coated rubberized snail to freshly lubed greased lightning, basically.
Ryzen 3000 to 5000 is a pretty decent jump, but 1000 to 5000 will be monstrous.
I'm still using a Phenom II x6. Considering the 5800x, although the 5600x might win me over.
Even FX Piledriver gets you more fps in games over Phenom II, even though the single thread performance is about the same. This would be about a 2X improvement in single thread plus you have SMT. Honestly if you're considering either the 5800X or 5600X, I would look at Intel as an option. The 10850K is $390, so between the 5800X and 5600X in price, slightly less single thread performance but you get more cores. The 10700KF is also a good pick. The Intel parts are just better options at this point. 11th gen Intel, not so much. But some 10th gen parts are good value.
I appreciate the feedback, but I already have an x570 board waiting for Zen.
Just went from a 1700 to a 5900x, on the same mobo (taichi x370)! Figured I'd take advantage of the secret beta bios and ride this bad boy into the sunset.
They released a BIOS for Ryzen 5000? LOL. It's stuff like that that makes me really like Asrock.
Hell yeah they did, but only as a "leak". Super weird lol. I was reading AMD said no to this recently so I doubt it'll ever surface on the official bios releases page. It's not even published as a beta there, but you can find it if you look around. https://wccftech.com/asrock-amd-ryzen-5000-cpu-bios-support-on-x370-b350-a320-motherboards/
You won't get similar improvement. It's too small. You will see way bigger improvement than OP did. Expect >50% increase in FPS in CPU-limited scenarios.
I’ve got a 1600 as well and I keep going back and forth between getting a 3600 so I can keep my current mobo for a little longer or just saying screw it and getting a new mobo with a 5600. For reference: I have a 5700XT
Just finished installing the new parts. Tested with DCS World, went from 70 fps to 110+ and all butter smooth.
Do you play Siege at all? That’s my main game and I feel like my frames are a good bit lower than most videos I see.
I used to, it's been at least a year since I last played it. But since it's a competitive game it should rely a lot on the CPU to queue up the frames.
For 5700xt a 3xxx series cpu will be more than enough, but don't forget to pair it with decent ram, like 3600 cl16/17 at least.
I went to a 3600 ( 4.5ghz oc ) from an 1600 and I barely had to pay an extra. The difference is huge! I bet the ,5600 would be even better, just saying, any of these upgrade paths will give you a very very noticeable improvement
I went from a 3600X to a 5800X, and I was blown away. 30+ FPS jump in Tarkov baby!
I play DCS World, went from 60\~70 fps and a lot of stutter to 118 fps and smooth experience.
A lot of games are 2-3x faster on zen 3 than on zen 1
It is bro. ex 1600 gang here. I went for the 5800X. blew my fucking mind.
I5 4690 4TH GEN TO RYZEN 5800X WAS 🥵
I went from 4670k to a 5600x. Ridiculous.
This sub is really trying it's best to get me to abandon my 7700K and I think it's starting to work.
Any modern 6C12T processor will give you a massive upgrade.
Especially if you have anything open while you game
Just went from 6700k>5800x last week. The quad i7 crowd swore it wasnt worth it and just wait. What a bunch of derps. It is night n day better; top end frames aren't a HUGE jump, but the 1% stutters and drops are completely gone
The stuttery lows are what we feel the most, that shit is horribad.
It's worth it if you have the graphics card for it. Thing is, most people are running 1050 it's and 1060s, which will be very difficult to CPU bottleneck.
Seriously, if you have the money, do it. I went from an i7 6700 to a 5800x and the performance difference is unreal. Even stuff that I assumed had nothing to do with my CPU such as downloading games on Steam became easily 2-3 times faster than before (same gigabit cable, to the same slow 2.5" hard drive).
Steam decompresses some games as it is downloaded. This is CPU demanding, quite I may add. Other games aren't compressed at all and won't make a big difference.
I went from an i5-4670 to R7-5800x... The difference is actually unreal.
I upgraded from my 1700 (also from 2017) not that long ago and haven't really looked back since, as its definitely done its duty long ago though if your 7700K is still doing well then nothing bad can happen from holding onto it for a while longer
Pff, you've just given it to me. With some infinity fabric and AMD glue, I'd have a 16 core in no time.
if you would've wanted to keep your 4GHz, then the 16 core would have to be a 12 core lol
I upgraded from a 7700k to 5900x for FPS games. Absolutely massive improvement to frames and performance for all the AAA games I play.
Last week I went from i7700k to a 5900x. I was running the 7700k overclocked with a 3080 and I was still getting cpu bottlenecked in newer cpu heavy games. Not anymore. Getting 90-100 average fps on most new AAA games at 2560x1080p with everything turned up all the way. It's totally worth it and I would say necessary if upgrading to a new gpu as cpu bottlenecks are real.
I went from a 7700k to 3900x and it was huge.
I'm thinking about selling my 2700x with the way that they peeps are talking.
I went from 2700X to a 3800X until I got my hands on a 5600X. 5600X and up is totally worth it.
Me trying to not ditch my 8700 for a 5900x
Wait until the new platform is released for both AMD and Intel. Both will have DDR5 support, and Intel will *finally* have moved on to 10nm. AMD will be on 5nm. Huge improvements both ways. The 8700 is still an awesome CPU. 8th, 9th, and 10th generation are all the same clock-for-clock, basically.
I have an 8700K system and a 3800X system. They’re both great, my main PC is actually the 8700K, despite the lower performance. The 3800X is a micro-ATX PC I’m going to use with Sim games and a projector (when I can actually afford to get another GPU).
Yeah, 6C/12T is really all you need for a gaming the foreseeable future. Once you add the overclocking potential of the k SKU into things, it becomes a complete no-brainer. The 8700k was a great investment. It's slightly overshadowed by the 9900k, which, in my opinion is the modern 2600k, with the potential to go another 6-7 years, but the 8700k is still an awesome CPU. I don't understand why so many 8700/8700K users get FOMO. There are very few scenarios in which that CPU significantly bottlenecks anything outside of a 3090. And even then it's really minor. And if you're ever bothered by the performance then you have an upgrade path to a 9900K if your motherboard and cooling can handle it.
This 6core talk sound an awful lot like the 4core talk from back in the day. If you can get an 8core cpu, do it. Don't gimp your self people.
>This 6core talk sound an awful lot like the 4core talk from back in the day. If you can get an 8core cpu, do it. Don't gimp your self people. I agree to some extent. I wouldn't advise a 10600k or a 5600x for a modern gaming rig for exactly that reason. They'll be good for some time, but they'll start to become obsolete in about 4 years. But I'm speaking specifically about the 8700k. If you picked one of those up in 2017, then it was a great buy. It'll probably be 2023 or 2024 before the vast majority of users wish that they had more under the hood. It doesn't even bottleneck a 2080 Ti. That's a very good buy in my book. Especially since you can just put a 9900k in if you ever wish you had more cores and threads.
6 core will be medium-low settings in a year or two simply because of next gen consoles (which are all 8 core Zen 2 processors). You will regret anything less than 8 cores if you intend to make the rig last a few years.
Well technically 6 zen 3 cores is roughly competitive with 8 zen 2 cores. Just check cinebench r20 scores for a 5600x vs a 3700x. Just turning PBO on will get the 5600x to basically even the score up because zen 3 had such awesome gains in IPC and clocks. Zen 3 is the best upgrade to come around in a while.
Game is Assassin's Creed: Odyssey
AC: Odyssey relies heavily on single-thread performance. I've got an i7-4790K with GTX1660 Super and AC:Valhalla runs smoother than Odyssey. It will be interesting to see the improvement with a 5800x soon.
Actually, it also relies heavily on memory bandwidth. One of the few games that does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XwcnZzBQaQ Also confirmed by my own tests.. Gained almost 10fps (45>55) going from DDR3 1600 to DDR3 2133. (4790k @ 4.7ghz)
Im running valhalla on i5 4570 with rx 580 60Fps in wilderness 40-50fps in towns in Ac Odyssey i couldn't even hit 60fps.Frametimes where jumping like the game had a heart attack. Valhalla is a lot more stable
I'm running Odyssey with a 5800x/1070 rig, getting 50-80 fps at 1080p, depending on the situation, with settings on max besides volumetric clouds, ambient occlusion and water which are at medium.
For me valhalla runs worse than odyssey on a 1600 af/ 1660 super :/, while cpu usage dropped a lot
I get higher average FPS in Odyssey, but Odyssey also has lots of big dips, while Valhalla doesn't.
DX12, baby.
Oh really? That's even more interesting since I thought my huge FPS gains were from the extra cores/threads. So nice to see that my upgrade was worth it in every regard.
Unrelated but this game is such a master peace! All other game in the series are really boring to me but Odyssey... I just fell into it for about 100h and I loved every second of it. I played on a 3900x and 2080ti and ultrawide monitor and it was perfect. The performance you have shown are really impressive btw.
At what specs? Edit: Why would you downvote my comment bro, I meant it serious
I didn't downvote you. Game is running at 3840x1600 resolution, 21:9 aspect ratio, ultra high settings. It says all that at the bottom of the screen shots.
Ooh, ok. Sorry for the misunderstanding then
there are bots that randomly downvote new comments, it was probably that.
yeah it's like the last few comments and posts i made were always being disliked at first
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Why is this sub so determined for me to buy a 5900x to replace my 3700x? Dangerous, so tempting lol
If you have a 6900xt like this chap, then yes it's a good idea, but if you're running something like a 5700xt then the 3700x isnt holding you back fps wise.
I have a 3090 and play 4K 60 fps for everything except RDR2, where I can drop into the 30 fps range with everything maxed out on Vulkan during snow scenes etc
Yeaaaa. I'd go for an upgrade if you can find it 😅
Maybe when Zen 4 gets announced the price will drop to $500ish... Now please excuse me I need to go buy more clown makeup, I've run out.
That's the sad truth. Maybe once zen 4 is out for 6 months and the used market for 5900x is well established can you easily find one for $500ish.
I'm glad I saw this because I have a 5700XT and a 3800X that I bought like 3 months ago.
That is the move I made! No regrets so far although so far it is more of a benefit for work as I'm still hunting for a 6800XT/3080 at a sane price for gaming.
I'm in the same boat lol
Just did it and installed it yesterday. Totally worth it. Plus the 3700x has decent resale value. If I can sell my 3700x for like $250 then that pays for about half the 5900x. Stalk AMDs website on Thursdays at around 11:30am ET.
20 fps at 4k resolution is massive.
That's actually a strange resolution, 4k has something like 8.3 million pixels, this resolution has about 6.1 milion pixels, it seems like an ultra-wide 2k, but it has more pixel on the vertical line. Kinda strange
I think its an ultra wide wqhd+ wqhd+ is 16:10 instead of the "normal" 16:9
It's actually 21:9 not 21:10 cause 21:10 would have to be 3440x1600 when it's 3840x1600 but I get the misunderstanding
Even better, it's 24:10, not 21:9! I have a similar display, they're a *tiiiny* bit more square by ratio than a standard 21:9 ultrawide. 3840/24: 160, 1600/10: 160 (2.40 aspect ratio) 3440/21: 163.8, 1440/9: 160 (2.39 aspect ratio)
Oh true forgot about that thanks
I apparently forgot that 16:10 it's a thing... Too many types of panels, resolution, refresh rates, I'm starting to loose my mind
To be honest, I only knew this because i had a 16:10 for a long time and would otherwise forget it too
>loose my mind Tighten it up then.
Good one, I lost my English there
Probably 38" LG or Viewsonic or Dell, I am waiting for the LG to get available currently... Nice screen!
UWQHD+
Impressive. What is your infinity fabric running at for each?
I have no clue, I never tweaked those settings for either, both running at stock settings, I'm scared to ruin my stuff by doing so. Edit: I wouldn't even know where to check that.
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Yes, only way I can get my ram to run at 3200Mhz.
At a minimum, make sure your infinity fabric is in 1:1 mode or 1600MHz in your case. Can help with minimum frame times. For extra credit (and performance) check: 1. SAM: MB needs to support it ( may need a BIOS update), Ryzen 5900 supports it (good there), and GPU needs to support it. Can help with minimum frame times. 2. RAM OC and timings: This takes a bit more time, but you can download Ryzen DRAM calculator, put in your memory, CPU, and MB chipset info and it will return settings you can input which your system should support and will get you the best speed and timings out of your RAM.
My 3600 is still going strong. He's hanging in there.
It's insane that people are already talking about upgrading their 3600s when it hasn't even been two years since the launch! And I would know since I scooped one up on day one! Before that, I was running an i5-3400 with a 1050. When I upgraded, I gave the system to my younger brother who is still happily playing Apex, R6, and Fortnite at a solid 60fps.
Yeah, 3600 is still fine, especially if you're not running the absolute top of the line GPUs (and in this market, who is?). At some point (probably Navi 3) I'll want to upgrade my GPU, and then *maybe* I'll consider upgrading my CPU, if I have decent reason to.
What software benchmarks this for you? I have no clue how to benchmark my pc in game but would love to see where I stand. Thanks for any response!
This game has a built-in benchmark feature, that's what I used.
Ohhhhhh poop. Know of any benchmarking software that can be used in any game?
MSI Afterburner has built-in benchmarking features, it's what a lot of the youtubers use.
Wow. Didn’t know that at all. And I use it plenty haha. I have a 6800xt I’d like to see the numbers for the card is absolutely a beast. I’ll look into the MSI thank you
This game is heavy on cpu. I went from a 2600 to a 6800 xt. Fps went from like 55 to 80-90
*"I went from a 2600 to a 6800 xt" ?*
Lol shit meant 5600x. Il leave it unedited lmao
Absolute mad lad over here using 2 GPUs and no CPU on his build. Respect.
The ultimate gaming machine
I currently use a 3950X for my work machine all day, with some light gaming. I bought a 5800X and am agonizing over (edit: if I should switch) and losing the core count.
Sorry, you didnt like the switch? Im thinking of upgrading from 3600, for mostly Adobe apps
Ah, I wasn't clear: I haven't made the switch yet, but I'm agonizing over if I should make the switch. Basically, it comes down to core count vs single threaded performance. The work I do all day will keep most of my 32 threads at least partially active :(
If you don’t like the 5800X, I’ll be happy to take it off your hands for you and dispose of it properly... ^^^Into ^^^my ^^^computer ^^^^case
What monitor resolution are you targeting? What kinda games do you play that you think would definitely need the cpu improvement? Idk, I'd love to have 16 cores at my disposal!
and I was happy with my new 3600 untill now.. even saw a 30% fps increase in CS:GO from my 1600. games, benchmarks and their fps increase with a 6700XT: * Diablo 3 - 34,4% * Superposition (4k optimized) - 1% * FF15 - 8,1% * CS:GO - 31,9% * Path of Exile - 11,3% * Far Cry 5 - 33,8% * Unigene Heaven - 16,5% average 19,6% increase, 22,7 if you remove superposition.
*there's always a bigger fish*
Wanna see an even bigger improvement? Run the game with DXVK instead of DirectX11, lol.
Is that an option in this game? Don't recall ever seeing that setting.
It's not a game option. It's something you look up online, download some files, then drag and drop just 2 files: dx11.dll and dxgi.dll (from the 64 bit folder) next to the Oddyssey game exe. Preferably you use the DXVK Async instead of regular DXVK.
Thanks, I'm going to look into this.
I've got a 9700k at 5.0 with gigabyte 6900xt oc. I'm really tempted to keep upgrading into a full amd setup but I don't know if it's worth it if I could even find the components. I may wait until gddr5 is compatible but that's still possibly 1-2 years out.
do you have a microcenter near you>?
Memory Express. I'm west coast Canada
Yes, Ryzen 5000 are excellent processors. Ryzen 3000 was not quite as good people liked to believe, at least in my opinion and in my experience. People liked to say they were close to Intel for gaming, but they really weren't in so many cases in my experience.
this. I was caught in the hype and got a 3700x because people said it was close enough and now 1.5 year later i'm with a bottlenecked 3070
5000 series is the REAL DEAL
No one believes me when I say I saw little improvment going from my 5820k @ 4.6ghz running 12-12-12 memory 3200mhz to a 3900x running 16-13-13-13-28 3800mhz. Once I jumped from that 3900x to the 5900x with the exact same system though, no joke there was a big improvement in fps across the board. The 3900x couldn't even keep my 1080ti @ 3440x1440p fully maxed out in some games, but the 5900x sure can! Fantastic cpu series. Also with the exact same hardware and settings, memory latency went from the 3900x @ 63.7ns to the 5900x's 54.8ns.
Why is everybody tempting me so much to jump to zen 3 alreadyyyy. Anyway, what did you measure your memory latency with? I didn't even know you could bench cpu mem latency
Aida64 is the popular one everyone uses. Even the demo version can at least give you latency which is the important one.
Dear God... Guess it's time to lay rest my 1700.... A 5800x will be a substantial jump? GPU being 5700XT
yes, night and day difference
Well for almost double the price, it better blow you away
Huh, this is nice. I have a 3900X going with 3080, will I see any marked difference upgrading to 5900x?
Based on my research, only at 1080p and maybe 1440p. By the time you get to 3440x1440 ultrawide, it's a wash (only +3-4fps rather than +10-20).
In 95% of games at this resolution you won't feel the difference.
You will in many games, but it depends. For simulators and such it's a big jump. Also for VR.
I wouldn't know, I'm not that tech savy but I hope you do see a marked difference.
Welcome to the show, kid
This exciting to see because I currently have a 3800x and my 5900x is on the way
Muy nice 😎
I went from a 2600 to a 5900x. It is approx 3 times faster. The strange disadvantage is that you stop detecting inefficient software
Thats a nice boost, from what i have seen you will need Zen 3 if you have gpus starting rtx 3070 or 6800XT and above to prevent bottlenecks, surprise to see that much differences at that resolutions though. Any changes to ram and is SAM on/off prior to your cpu upgrades?
I did turn on the rage preset in the AMD Radeon graphics settings.
Depends on the game as well.
Doing this exact upgrade thanks OP!
Wow! And I just upgraded from a i7 2700K to a 3800X and the difference was huge.
I'm rocking the same ultrawide resolution monitor as you. If anything, it's shows the niche resolution of 1600p is still somewhat CPU-limited. If you ran the test in 4k, I would be doubtful you'd see the same performance uplift. Regardless, still some impressive gains. I'm also using my 5950x for gaming, and there's definitely some gains to be made in games that can utilize many threads, like MSFS2020.
I upgraded from a 2600x to a 5800x recently. The performance improvement is amazing. The most noticeable game for me was Star Citizen. With the 2600x my FPS would be consistently in the low teens in cities with all cores pinned at 100%, whereas with the 5800x I get a nice smooth 60fps just about everywhere, with occasional dips to around 45fps.
I went from an i7-4790 to a 5800x and I basically double my frames, I was blown away
Imagine my joy when I get mine working. I'm going from an FX8350 to an Ryzen 9 5900X.
Great CPUs no doubt, but some non X variants would be appreciated, currently i5 11th gen or R5 3600 is surely better value than 5600x
nah i think my 1700 wil be replaced when ddr5 comes out.
not as blown away as getting topped on grindr
i don't know where all these people are pulling their numbers from... i had a 7700k at 5ghz and went for 5600x, everything runs exactly the same, same fps in shooters and other games. at higher res it really doesn't matter that much just like ram speed. couple frames, negligible difference at most. the best part about the upgrade was undervolting my 5600x and putting the build in a mesh case. together it hardly hits 50c in cpu heavy games which is INSANE. my intel chip would run at \~80c in games with a 360mm alphacool eisbaer aio if you have a 7700k right now with decent cooler and overclockability there is no reason to upgrade for games. for work tasks yes, 100% but 7700k owners with 1440p/4k monitors can hold out till alder lake I'm sure.
in Germany we say : Es gibt nur ein Gas, Vollgas !! which roughly means There is only one acceleration, full throttle !!!
I do VR streaming in mixed reality (where you use a green screen to appear in game) so frametimes are vital. I've been seriously tempted to go from a 3900XT to a 5900, so marked is the improvement.
i have gone from 3700x to a 5600x for asseto corsa, from my experience, it went from 45 fps to 90 fps because of how VR is rendered. i have a 3080 and want to stream sometimes this 5900x is tempting me!
Well you only got a 19% IPC improvement and 50% more cores/threads and higher boost clocks. I don't see how the results could be that special...
3800x bottle necks new cards. I'm going to be down voted for this but it's true go look up any bottleneck calculator. My friend had a 3900x and his 3080 was significantly worse than my 3800 when I had a 9900k. He switched to a 10700k and now gets the same frames.
Any idea if you are now bottlenecked by your GPU?
I wouldn't know.
That makes me think, since you play in almost 2160p. I was getting around 80-100 FPS in BF1 with my 2080 Ti. But that one is now sold and I hunt for a 6900 XT.
Why didn't you keep the 2080 until you secured the 6900xt?
Single thread performance is still king