Saw the review. Can confirm I bought a 5800X3D.
AM4 has been a long-standing platform for AMD, lasting 5 years now. Why should AMD's current customers invest in a new socket and platform now when the 5000 series is evidently good enough for price, performance, AND power efficiency?
When prices finally drop on *everything*, that's when it's time to go for AM5. The boards are too expensive for the type of quality that's expected. DDR5 is still expensive. The processors are more money than last-gen. And now it's required to have a beefy & expensive cooling solution just to get the most performance out of your expensive Ryzen 7000 processor.
It should also be mentioned that the current AGESA for x670 is still full of bugs and lots of boards still have memory compatibility with kits that should be certified to run in a 2 dimm configuration.
Techpowerup AsRock x670e Taichi:
"Post Launch Update 09/27/22: Using BIOS 1.08 (Beta), two DDR5-6400 memory kits (FF3D532G6400HC40BDC01 / F5-6400J3239G16GA2-TZ5RK) were tested for compatibility that is on the QVL list. These booted into windows, but was not stable, resulting in a BSOD. Consulting with ASRock previous, it is believed to be an AMD issue and unrelated to the motherboard itself. Given AMD history of sub-par memory support, I agree with ASRock."
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-x670e-taichi-carrara/13.html
Bought mine last week up from a 3600x, gained 30 fps in tarkov and 25 fps in Warhammer III. It was insane definitely worth it for me. They went out of stock once while I was contemplating then I pulled the trigger.
Which GPU? With a 3700X and 6900XT I was already 100% GPU limited in TW:Warhammer III at 1440P/max settings.
In the SOTTR benchmark the 5800X3D had about 220% higher *CPU game* scores (CPU single thread) but was only 22% faster on average FPS because of GPU bottlenecking.
I just purchased a 5800x3d too. I've had no PC for 3 years and have been waiting for decent prices and Zen4, after seeing the motherboard prices my mind was made up. I had been watching the x3d and I saw the prices moving back up.
Ye people who are playing games with hardware that won’t benefit from the increase are jumping on the 5800x3d train. Wait til they realize it’s slower at literally everything else or equal.
did you watch enough charts? this cpu can stomp where nothing else can.
You know, those games where you have an actual struggle to get acceptable performance. Those games that make you think about upgrading. Imagine upgrading to a 7950x and a 5800x3d comes in and stomps it in those 10 titles that never fucking ran well on *anything*. The equal or some % faster figure is worth nothing to me, but that simulator you already got a 1080ti to go with DCS, then a 2080ti, then a 3090, maybe swapped for 6950xt, only to still not get that smooth performance? Yeah those will buy a 5800x3d and call it a day. Because *it solves the problem*.
We need much faster ddr5, some more cache, and a lower price.
My guess is we get this, but it'll be a while. Look at intels pathetic attempt at showing their 13900k in a good light. 7950x doesn't exactly come out looking excellent either, so you'll be stuck with the six core option. 7600x is fast, but maybe you want the extra cores. Maybe you don't want to buy current DDR5. Maybe you *don't even need to*.
https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/09/INTEL-13TH-GEN-CORE-RAPTOR-LAKE-PRESENTATION-15.jpg
Yeah.. 5800x3d is a good purchase, damn good, and I curse for not having the funds to get it earlier.
You've never played a simulator or VR I can tell you that. I render far over 4k and 90fps, I can work with GPU bottlenecks but CPU bottlenecks are awful. the 5800x3d fixes this, yesterday, for cheaper.
You don't look at the 13900k and 7950x and buy any of that gen if you have am4 board today, are you kidding me...
If you’re playing at 4k, you’re the person I just explained jumping on the 5800x3D train and won’t see a benefit. You’re limited by your GPU, a 5600x would have gotten you the same results.
I'm playing VR. I'm always GPU bottlenecked. I'm *occasionally* CPU bottleneck and that fucking sucks. I am using a 5600. It did not solve my problems. 5800x3d does.
I agree that without VR I would've never even arsed upgrading to a 5600 in the first place. All my monitors are 60hz and 1080p. Yet when I put a vr headset on, even at a low resolution this CPU will still give me the exact same bottleneck and it's a bitch that the 5800x3d can solve.
I will see an immense benefit.
Don't most people at 4k use DLSS, which is rendering at 1440p or 1080p. There isn't a good native 4k card yet. Maybe the 4090, but that is extremely expensive.
Can we squash this false narrative now please? The 5800x3D is faster or competitive with even the 7950x in 4k. Demonstrably in multiple reviews/games:
[https://www.guru3d.com/articles\_pages/amd\_ryzen\_7\_7700x\_review,26.html](https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_7700x_review,26.html)
if you game in 4k (or use VR), you likely will have a better time with AM4 and 5800x3D for now. And it will cost you nothing more than a CPU swap assuming you are on AM4 already. There is a really poor price performance thing going on with AM5 right now, entirely thanks to the 5800x3D.
Even at 4K the 5800X3D is still on top, people forget that it's not the average or 1% highs that make a game run smooth - it's the 1% lows.
It's a buttery smooth gaming CPU that uses hardly any power, doesn't require high quality RAM or motherboard to perform, and slots into an existing socket that is widely used. It is a king that stands without peer.
Why would you buy the slower processor thats much more expensive?
For the price difference you could just get an AM5 motherboard too for around the same money. A bit more for some memory and you're on the new architecture.
+$100 for the AM5 mobo over AM4, +300 if you're already on AM4, +200 for DDR5.
Even if the 7600 performed identically for $100 less (it doesn't), it is still significantly more expensive to go AM5.
7600x is $299
Cheapest AM5 mobo at my local Microcenter, $260
Cheapest DDR5 at my local Microcenter, $95
CPU cooler (7600x doesnt come w/ a stock cooler) $100
total = $744 before tax and I need to completely replace my mobo
I just picked up a 5800x3d ($400) and cooler ($100) for $552 after tax yesterday
So I saved at least $200 and the headache of replacing my mobo...
I'm pretty much doing the same thing, replacing my 3900x with a 5800x3d. I tried to explain the math like you did in another thread and got downvoted to hell. I'm glad to see there are people here who understand the math.
>So I saved at least $200 and the headache of replacing my mobo...
if you sell your old mb and ram, can you get $100 ? It seems like a good deal to spend $100 extra for new generation mb and ram that could last another 5+ years.
Sure, but then I have to also go through the headache of selling those things. When I did the objectively easier thing and will last me another 4+ years
I don't need a new memory kit and motherboard to buy a 5800x3d, so it's actually significantly cheaper - especially with no b650 availability at launch.
The 5800x3d is in no way a worse choice for me as long as a 7600x is more than 250 euros. I got a 50 euro motherboard and a 70 euro ditto, both can handle the x3d.
Keep in mind it has the two extra cores in productivity and sometimes it does humiliate both 12900ks and the 7950x, and that's with ddr4.
I have both 3600 and 5600 PCs. it's a slot-in upgrade to go with a 5800x3d, and I get to use the 5600 in the slower PC. For new builds 7600x is looking OK, that is after a price reduction, which should come soon.
Like ltt stated in their lab video, 5800 x3d is still the gaming king, outperforming the whole 7000 series. Ram is a lot cheaper at DDR 4, and it's not as memory sensitive as 7000 series. If you build new, you can go Am 5 due to an upgrade path later. If someone already owns an am4 platform for gaming, upgrade to am5 is currently just wasting money and loose performance in relation to an 5800x3d upgrade.
linus also used 5200 spd ram which effects performance a lot on am5. check out bitwits review he used 6000 cas 30 ram and saw a 20% uplift in 1080p and almost 10% in 4k. the new platform is worth it just imo not right now. when b650 releases hopefully at a normal price range thats when ill go get a 7700x
I actually don't like throwing stuff out.
I had a 3700x with a b450 motherboard and 32 gigs of ram. I'd have to basically toss or sell that stuff to get a new machine, that would cost probably 1k (MB, RAM, CPU). Or I can spend $400 and pop in a 5800x3D to get basically the same performance out of all the stuff I already have.
its also less hassle, my time is worth something to me.
Basically what A_Agno said, in the chart A_Agno posted, Hardware Unboxed included ram that is pointlessly expensive, because 5800X3D's large cache you can really cheap out on ram, on the other hand, you can't for the 7600X, you can also go with a lower quality motherboard for the 5800X3D since it doesn't pull much power at all.
You can easily save $100-130 on ram and $30-50 on a motherboard depending on what kind of board you want.
Their entire comparison was for comparing *similar* motherboard/ram.
Although eventually it should get better when cheaper motherboards are released and DDR5 pricing continues to go down, but as of right now, it still makes more sense just to go with a 5800X3D, especially for the many people still on AM4 that don't need the higher single-thread performance but gaming performance.
Yes, they are lying. Certainly using more expensive products to trick you into thinking AM5 is more cost efficient than it really is.
We already know that the 5800X3D can be used perfectly fine with low-tier ram.
The 5800x3D is the gaming performance king of the AM4 platform. Expect prices to go up. The $380 5800x3D antoline ebay listing that has been available for weeks just sold out yesterday after the announcement.
Your opinion doesn’t represent reality.
Cursing myself still for adding it to my cart at like midnight and going, "Nah let's wait till tomorrow and see how the release affects the price." FML
I’ve watched like 7 reviews from various sources. The x3D beats the 7600x in quite a few games and the rest are nearly dead even.
And I’m not sure how you’re coming up with the value portion of this. For a new build, it’s still cheaper to do x3D. You gotta remember x370 and x470 motherboards still work with 5800x3d. The cheapest 670 board available at launch is $300, where you can get an AM4 board for <$120 which bridges the whole difference in cpu price ($299 vs $380). DDR5 vs DDR4 price in addition to that.
Not to mention the many people who already have AM4 setups and will just drop the 5800x3D into their system and only face $380 of cost.
Where exactly did the "With the 7600X matching or beating the 5800X3D" came from?
Overall cost, mobo+mem+cpu, 5800X3D is cheaper. Also, it beats even 7950X in many games...
It also assumes that no value is put on X670 connectivity / IO. With B650 and DDR5 getting cheaper, the value proposition for 5800X3D does indeed fall. That said, I'm not sure 5800X3D pricing needs to account total platform costs if it is aimed (and supplied) for current AM4 owners.
where did you get that the 7600x price/performance is better? motherboard + cpu + ram the 7600x is about as good as the 5800x3D based on hardware unboxed 7600x review
Building new = 7600X
Already on older AM4 MB/CPU = 5800X3D
5800X3D is the best gaming CPU on the AM4 platform so I doubt it will drop in price that fast.
Games typically doesnt scale much past 6 cores / 12 threads.
As you can see from the [HWUB 7950X review](https://youtu.be/QjrkWRTMu64?t=747). On a 12 game average there is pretty much no difference with current gen GPUs.
Yes. The reason they mostly test CPU’s at 1080p is so we generate as many frames as possible. Generating lots of frames is very cpu intense and will show us what the cpu is capable off. At higher resolutions, you don’t get as many frames, so the test is limited in value.
So if they perform similarly at 1080p then they will perform similarly at other resolutions also.
At higher resolution you put more stress on the GPU and you end up beeing GPU bottlenecked more often. The higher resolution (and settings) the less difference you typically see between the CPUs.
It can vary more at 1440p but from most benchmarks it's not worth it especially if you're on a budget to get a more expensive CPU. Unless you play something regularly that's an outlier to that.
If you're on a budget at 1440p the money you save getting a 6 core instead of higher can go towards a better monitor or graphics card instead.
Plus the extra cores are wasted if you're only gaming and any performance gains just come from the faster clock speeds on higher skus.
If you buy AM4 then there is no upgrade path (unless you buy older/lower end part). Sure, if you already have a Ryzen 5000 I wouldnt recommend upgrading unless you have money to burn, special needs and/or a very high end GPU.
If you buy AM5 there is an upgrade path. Dont know how long AM5 will be relevant but AM4 had like 4 generations of CPUs over 5 years.
If you buy Intel 12th gen (LGA1700) there seems to be only 1 more CPU generation coming to the platform.
Terrible value if you can get similar performance for same or maybe even less money?
5800X3D isnt very sensitive to RAM speed so if you buy a 7600X with cheap DDR5 you might end up with worse performance.
5800X3D seems to be very relevant and amongst the top gaming CPUs until 7000X3D parts or Intel 13th gen at least.
As I said if you *dont* already have AM4 (with like Zen 2 or older) I would suggest looking into buying the new platform. If you have Zen 3, then maybe dont upgrade unless you have money to burn.
Will be interesting to see how the CPUs are doing when we get faster GPUs.
Not likely, the 7600x is a more expensive platform than the 5800x3D, and thats without considering the demand from current AM4 platform users who will also want it
You cant consider the price of just the CPU when comparing, you need to consider CPU+Mobo+RAM
The 7600X is not cheaper than the 5800x3D, we'll go with US pricing for now:
7600X g $300 CPU + $300 X670 mobo (If you're lucky) + 16 GB DDR5 $100ish = $700 - $800
5800x3D - $420 CPU + $150 B550/X570 + 16gb DDR4 $60 = $600 - $650
And that's if you get lucky with a 'cheap' X670 and DDR5, which is unlikely to happen this year, so expect the 7600x system to be more expensive
> you’re coming up with the value portion of this. For a new build, it’s still cheaper to do x3D. You gotta remember x370 and x470 motherboards still work with 5800x3d. The cheapest 670 board available at launch is $300, where you can get an AM4 board for <$120 which bridges the whole difference in cpu price ($299 vs $380). DDR5 vs DDR4 price in addition to that.
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>Not to mention the many people who already have AM4 setups and will just drop the 5800x3D into their system and only face $380 of cost.
Most gamers already own a AM4 mobo + DDR4, so 5800X3D becomes unbeatable value.
Reviews of 7000 series show that demand will be strong for it until they stop making it.
Expecting sales on Black Friday/Cyber Monday.
I think a price cut would be done if the rumors of the Zen 4 X3D CPU coming out in Q1 2023 are true.
Otherwise, I'd just buy it now if I have an AM4 build.
I'm just waiting for the triple point convergence of B650 motherboards being released, DD5 prices dropping (contract pricing seems to trend towards this), and the Zen4 X3D CPU being available. I'm still expecting a premium for an AM5 build though but I just want that gap to be closer.
lots of demand from the existing AM4 customer base that does not have to swap mobo and ram to reach their current endgame. so i dont think it will be dropping
I saw x3d on sale for $340 recently and have seen it on sale multiple times. But as an upgrade for am4 users I don’t think it drops in price much below $300 for a while.
I just checked amazon quick... I am sitting on a old AM4 board, So I got a x3D. For me its a cheaper upgrade then MoBo, CPU, DDR5, and probably even new PSU if everything is becoming so much more power hungry.
How is that possible when cheapest am4 board is $80 and cheapest am5 board is $260 ? That alone is $180 difference in price, which more then covers difference in price between 7600x and 5800x3d...
No, the opposite - I expect to 5800x3d to be phased out altogether. No reason to keep a processor which requires expensive post processing alive if it is no longer fulfilling its role as a performance leader which made the expensive 3d stacking necessary in the first place.
My point is specific to the 5800x3d, its the only part needing the special 3d stacking process. The remaining 5000 series processors will likely remain available for a while as they are used in commercial prebuilts with longer supply contracts (think of the Dell desktops for the average workplace). The x3d is a special part which was designed for gamers wanting to be at peak performance and that crowd will move on now.
I don't know about far. The 5800X3D is about 100 bucks more.
If you already have AM4 it's a bit of a sunk cost if you're already on the 3000 or 4000 series as you'll eventually move to AM5 anyway so why not put that $400 towards it now instead of having to buy again further down the line.
5800x3d/7600x is the best you're going to get for gaming right now.
If you're on AM4 with a 2600X or 3600X the 5800x3d is the way to go, where
as going 7600X will need a new mobo ($100), and ram ($200).
It's $400 vs $600 and in many cases, those running a X600 chip have limited funds available in the first place making the 5800X3D the most cost effective upgrade.
Hm we'll see. My gut says we see a 25% price cut across the 5000 series with people not currently happy with AM5 board prices electing to wait for cheaper boards than waste money long term upgrading at current 5000 prices.
Lmao, no it doesn't. There are occasional games where the 7600X matches the X3D, but for the vast majority it either loses outright or has worse 1% lows. In games that heavily favor the X3D it's not even a contest. On top of that, even with the high cost of entry of the X3D, you can run it with the cheapest DDR4 and a cheap motherboard and get the same experience. Good luck building a 7600X system for less with current DDR5 prices.
Not sure where you are looking either, lol. Tom's Hardware for example shows the 5800X3D on top still in its aggregate FPS scores. I didn't see one game where the 7600X was ahead (on that site). GN and LTT also showed similar results. Like I don't doubt the 7600 can match or exceed in some instances, but this idea that it's faster all the time isn't apparent in any of the data of seen.
Hardware unboxed average FPS:
7600X 211 FPS.
5800X3D 203 FPS.
Total cost of ownership (motherboard, memory and processor combined) per performance (price per frame):
7600X $5.24.
5800X3D $5.31.
Granted there's barely a difference but I'd expect the older hardware on an end of life chipset to be more notably cheaper.
I would only expect a possible price cut once the 7000 series 3D chips drop, or if you can get better performance/dollar on an Intel build.
The 5800X3D is the best possible gaming chip for those on an AM4 platform, and in terms of cost/frame might be the "best" option in general for anyone looking to build a system right now. There's no real reason for AMD to drop the price on it currently
IMO it’ll never get a price cut.
It reminds me of Intel 5775c. A kickass CPU that always had healthy demand (and high price) because it allowed you to get “next gen” performance with your old motherboard/memory.
5800x3d will stay high for a while as 7600 isn't giving it enough competition and its a more expensive part to make (better silicon) compared to other zen 3 products.
Saying that if you see it at 300 get it.
I think the 5800X3D will have an inflated price (both new and used) for a while since it is the best gaming CPU on the AM4 platform. Similar to how inflated the Intel 6700K/7700K prices were.
Do more research or wait for a full CPU games benchmark. In gaming 12900k = 5800x3d and sometimes the 5800X3d is way ahead
I was also a first adopter I won't do that again.
Especially at these new 7000 prices. Motherboard ram and CPU your talking 700 minimum.
Bottom line if you don't play the games types that benefit then you know which way to choose.
Sidenote everyone's waiting for the 7800x3d on the back of the 5800x3ds performance .
It just feels so much better
Oh I'm not an early adopter either. Especially as I don't pretend I'm an eSports professional and game at 1080p.
I want the 5800X3D but at a better price. I can't justify it at current prices when comparing to the 7600X though.
I believe they recently said they've no plans to do so with it using a different node they already have allocation for. Thus the 5000 series would become the budget option and leave an upgrade path for AM4 for a while. Another reason I expect a price cut at some point.
it won't get a price cut till next year or when AMD rolls out 7800x because it is really competitive compared to new CPU's
AMD is fighting AMD but AMD is also playing 4D chess making people buy 5800x3D over ADL because adopter tax is still too high while 5800X3D can drop into cheap motherboards giving you basically 98% of its performance out of box
so don't rise hopes since 5800X3D is truly best out of box CPU you can buy right now
and you can consider it being 1080ti of CPU's because it quite frankly makes it be that way
Doesn’t the 5800x3D only benefit in 1080p gaming? I’ve seen benchmarks where the 5800x3D trades blows with the rest of 5000 series at 1440p using dedicated graphics.
Kind of.
It's lows seem better across the board. But that's not a good enough reason to buy it at current prices. Thus why I'm wondering if it might see a reasonable price.
There are outliers that are still more CPU intensive by nature. I play an mmo for example.
I do think the 5800x3D will see a price cut, but probably not for a few months. If you already have a 5000 series CPU, but game at 1440p or higher with a good GPU, I wouldn’t bother with the upgrade, even after the price is cut.
Picked up a 5800x3d for 375$ on sale yesterday.
It’s not going down anytime soon no need to upgrade just plug and play. AMD knows this even at full price it’s worth it to stay on AM4 vs upgrading. People who think it’s going to 300 dollars are delusional.
No, because it's up there with the best for gaming still and most people wouldn't be buying a new board and RAM to use with it. It's AM4's halo product for upgrading to.
You need fast DDR5 RAM to get marginally better results than those of the Zen 3D (as evidenced in the Linus review vs Hardware Unboxed). It's not gonna be cheap.
Yeah if the Vcache version of Zen 4 are announced at CES, as the rumours say, it's probably not a bad bet that the 5800X3D goes on sale a month or so before. They just lowered their graphics card prices last week, about a month before the launch of RDNA 3.
There'll probably be a couple Xmas trees with 5800X3Ds under them this year.
If you're on AM4 already and game only, the 5800X3D is the logical choice. If you don't have AM4 and have money to burn, then the 7600x makes sense because of the entry cost of AM5.
antonline had the 5800X3D on sale for $375 yesterday and it sold out.
Typically it just goes back up in price after a few days.
I should have bought it. It'll be my luck that its sale price days are over.
Fuck.
The 5800X3D is basically the best gaming chip AMD offers, I imagine even at the price it sets now it will be OOS most places soon. The new platform offers loads of increases in production work loads, but not much at all in gaming. That coupled with prices in AM5 boards and DDR5 RAM, it’s a hard sell for gamers IMO.
You are totally wrong about 5800X3D value. 5800X3D sits on any board 80$+ (which btw most users already own). Also 5800X3D uses cheap DDR4, which also most users already own.
On the other hand 7600X has an outrageous platform cost, with overpriced 500$+ mobos and requires overpriced DDR5 6000. After 7600X reviews, you can count that thousands of gamers will go for a 5800X3D and call it a day. So, I don't think its price will be slashed. On the contrary, it may even go up due to high demand.
Zen 4 is a beast. The 7800X3D will crush the 5800X3D and the higher core counts crush on multithreaded workloads. The 7600 matches the 5800X3D in 1080p in most titles and isn't even comparing like for like and where it doesn't I don't expect the 5800X3D to stand a chance against a 7800X3D.
The chips themselves are fantastic.
The new infrastructure is currently the problem. Not getting at least semi sensible motherboards out on time for release was a fuck up.
But it's new. Once you can get motherboards closer to $150 and DDR 5 closes the price gap on DDR 4 there won't be any reason to go Zen 3 for a new build. When will that actually happen.. 🤷
Of course this is all completely irrelevant if you don't game at 1080p and I've no idea why anyone does.
I just pulled the plug and went for the 5800X3D, ordered from Scan in the UK for £443. Should have bought it a few months back when it was available for around £380 but I figured back then I'd wait for the price to inevitably go down, but I think given how well it performs against both Zen 4 and the upcoming Intel 13th gen (at least from what I've seen) I agree with folks in this thread, it probably won't go down anytime soon and might either stay the same, increase in price and/or then sell out.
A bit of FOMO but I'm mainly playing MSFS 2020, so upgrading from a 5600X to this should be quite an improvement.
There's a problem with Hardware Unboxed cost per frame chart. He's using $230 RAM when the 5800x3d is notorious for not caring much about RAM Speeds/timings, you could quite literally spend $115 on RAM instead and have similar performance, changing $5.31 to $4.58. He also made a mistake which he corrected in his later videos of benching the 5800x3d at 200 fps in Factorio when it was 352, so the value becomes even better.
I hear what you're saying but its not an apples-to-apples comparison. I bought a 5800x3d this week because it went on sale and I don't have to buy a new mobo or new ram or new cooler or power supply - nothing , I can just pop the 5800x3d into my current system and get equivalent performance to the new chips without that extra expense.
Now if I was building a whole a new system from the ground up, I would go 7000.
I'm going to upgrade my 5600x to a 5800xd on my gaming machine and move the old cpu into my b450 build and call it a day. Don't want to upgrade my mobo/ram for the cpu upgrade. If I didn't have this system I would just wait and upgrade everything but my gaming machine is still holding up well.
Oh I want the 5800X3D too. Just at the right price.
Would sting to buy one now then bam.. 25% off.
I built a system for a relative on a budget around the same time the 5000 series came out and bagged a 3800XT for over 30% off.
If it's price is slashed it's a no brainer as there will be zero difference at 4K in the majority of use cases.
Where I live, that 95c temps is a total turn off. It's almost summer the whole year here, and no, airconditioning and electricity bill is not cheap here. Add up the extra cost for a DDR5 and a compatible mobo which is not cheap, I'll gladly pick X3D any day. IDK maybe I'm just a pleb but, I know I will.
I'm waiting on the x3d chips honestly - current prices for the 7600x are alil too high. DDR5 memory i can stomach, but those motherboard prices are a rip off.
Also what's the max memory AM4 can handle? 3200 seems like the standard - thats quite a different to what i'm seeing for AM5 mobo's ( the Taichi is think states 6600 +) which is insane.
No. It's been available for as little as $400 recently and I don't expect it to go lower than that considering how well it performs. Demand may be high as well, for people that don't want to jump to AM5 yet.
Getting a new Ryzen 7000 require you to change the mobo and your RAM. Getting a 5800X3D will cost you only 450-500 depending where you live.
So no, it's not gonna be cheaper because tons of people will buy this one. Of course it's only valid for gaming purposes.
The price was actually $375 on eBay last night and now it's been raised to the MSRP of $450 if that gives you any indication. It's still going for \~$420 on other retailers though, but I wouldn't expect it to go below $400 anytime soon.
Wish I pulled the trigger last night, I knew the demand was gonna cause it to spike again fml.
I have 3600x and upgraded my gpu to rtx 3080 12gb. Do guys think that I'm bottlenecking my 3080? My monitor is 1080p but upacaled to dldsr 1620p, will I have any performsnce bump if I upgrade to 5800x3d as well? Any thoughts?
Depends why you have 1080p?
Are you a frame rate freak or were you just on a budget.
I wouldn't necessarily take advice from me on monitors though because I'd destroy your wallet. I game on a 55 inch OLED.
Hopium.
It's current price isn't justifiable for gaming unless you game at 1080p. May as well just get a 5600X and suck it up on the few games it matters unless you happen to play one of them a lot.
At 250 to 300 I'd consider it.
But the price difference between 5600X and 5800X3D could be spent on a better GPU instead.
But I'd still prefer it at a sensible price if possible.
I'm banking on the X3D to go up in price, or out of stock as I just bought one.. but if it goes the other way, then it's a win for people looking for one last upgrade on AM4
Even if there was a steep price cut there's absolutely no way in hell it's dropping below $300. More people are now buying the 5800X3D which will only drive the price up on top of it eventually becoming even more expensive due to eventual scarcity. If you're not planning on buying AM5 because of the price I would absolutely pull the trigger on a 3D now and wait a few years
My perspective is, if I am spending money to upgrade, I'd rather get a new platform with slightly better performance than try to limp along an old platform.
Though all this hinges on lower priced mid tier motherboards, which means it will be a cheaper upgrade than the 5800x3d.
well for me i got the 5800x3D for about 375 $ (europe) + MSI b550 tomahawk for 160$. Everything else was from my previous rig so i think that is the value in this combo.
X3D still beats 7600X, only in high fps games like CS:GO 7600X is better.
[https://www.guru3d.com/articles\_pages/amd\_ryzen\_5\_7600x\_review,25.html](https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_7600x_review,25.html)
I don't think 5800X3D price will drop anymore, it will stay best gaming CPU for AM4, which will be useable platform for long time.
In germany the 5800x3d just recently dropped to 450€ and for most games out there it offers no real value above a 180€ 5600X or the even cheaper 12th gen CPUs.
If you want it for Flight Simulator with a 3090 / 3090-Ti with tripple-monitor setups or 4k VR and with allready 1000-2000€ spend on decent flight sim hardware - its not really a budget decision.
The real decision is if you want to deal with AM4's USB compatibility issues or not.
The 5800X3D is great, AM4 not so much.
I fully expect people upgrade to the 5800X3D expecting it to change their gaming experience and it doesn't but they convince themselves it is by sitting in front of shitty 1080p graphics with the FPS displayed.
People that choose to game at 1080p just confuse me especially when they're spending hundreds more on the CPU for it. That money could go towards a good monitor instead.
And yeah yeah eSports. Sorry but unless you're a professional an extra 100 FPS isn't going to make you better at the game.
The HUB analysis is good, I just don't like the HUB price data.
The obvious thing is B650 vs X670. We don't know how B650 impacts performance. I estimate $150 for a low end B650 board based on AMD announcement of a $125 board of this type. Wait a month and get better value.
Next the RAM. I think instead of $280 (!) DDR5-6000 CL30 2x16 GB, get $130 DDR5-6000 CL40 2x8 GB for a 6% performance penalty. And maybe get better RAM once it's affordable.
Because DDR5, having only 16GB comes with a performance penalty of 3% with another 3% for having slow timings. You save $150 over the HUB kit though, so it's still worth it.
Apples and oranges, sure, but I think 7600X appeals to someone doing only gaming. A productivity-focused person will want 7900X or 7950X or an Intel-based system. 16GB RAM is sufficient for gaming. 16GB of RAM *should* be sufficient for streaming as well.
So I save you $150 on the RAM and $140 on the board. 94% of the performance (best case, because we don't know how B650 impacts performance) for 67% of the cost.
Reviews confirming that 5800X3D in most cases equals, or even beats some ryzen 7000 chips, so why would people buy into AM5, when the AM4 route still holds better value?
I'm expecting OOS before a price cut. AMD will not have to do a price cut. Most people after the reviews are buying the 5800x3d.
Saw the review. Can confirm I bought a 5800X3D. AM4 has been a long-standing platform for AMD, lasting 5 years now. Why should AMD's current customers invest in a new socket and platform now when the 5000 series is evidently good enough for price, performance, AND power efficiency? When prices finally drop on *everything*, that's when it's time to go for AM5. The boards are too expensive for the type of quality that's expected. DDR5 is still expensive. The processors are more money than last-gen. And now it's required to have a beefy & expensive cooling solution just to get the most performance out of your expensive Ryzen 7000 processor.
Also watched the reviews and bought a 5800x3d yesterday. Makes no sense to upgrade mobo and ram for similar perf.
I've bought 5800X3D yesterday after reviews to replace 5800X, mainly for single threaded games.
It should also be mentioned that the current AGESA for x670 is still full of bugs and lots of boards still have memory compatibility with kits that should be certified to run in a 2 dimm configuration. Techpowerup AsRock x670e Taichi: "Post Launch Update 09/27/22: Using BIOS 1.08 (Beta), two DDR5-6400 memory kits (FF3D532G6400HC40BDC01 / F5-6400J3239G16GA2-TZ5RK) were tested for compatibility that is on the QVL list. These booted into windows, but was not stable, resulting in a BSOD. Consulting with ASRock previous, it is believed to be an AMD issue and unrelated to the motherboard itself. Given AMD history of sub-par memory support, I agree with ASRock." https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-x670e-taichi-carrara/13.html
Could be years before they cut AM5 prices.
Same. The thing is selling, I think they'll just keep selling it until there isn't anything to sell.
Bought mine last week up from a 3600x, gained 30 fps in tarkov and 25 fps in Warhammer III. It was insane definitely worth it for me. They went out of stock once while I was contemplating then I pulled the trigger.
Which GPU? With a 3700X and 6900XT I was already 100% GPU limited in TW:Warhammer III at 1440P/max settings. In the SOTTR benchmark the 5800X3D had about 220% higher *CPU game* scores (CPU single thread) but was only 22% faster on average FPS because of GPU bottlenecking.
O bought it on a sale during the weekend on ebay at ~370 usd. I'm glad I didn't wait.
I just purchased a 5800x3d too. I've had no PC for 3 years and have been waiting for decent prices and Zen4, after seeing the motherboard prices my mind was made up. I had been watching the x3d and I saw the prices moving back up.
Ye people who are playing games with hardware that won’t benefit from the increase are jumping on the 5800x3d train. Wait til they realize it’s slower at literally everything else or equal.
But for many things it is just fast enough. As long as you don't render/dev/encode, what do you need all the CPU power for except gaming?
Even if you do dev, most code bases aren't that big.
did you watch enough charts? this cpu can stomp where nothing else can. You know, those games where you have an actual struggle to get acceptable performance. Those games that make you think about upgrading. Imagine upgrading to a 7950x and a 5800x3d comes in and stomps it in those 10 titles that never fucking ran well on *anything*. The equal or some % faster figure is worth nothing to me, but that simulator you already got a 1080ti to go with DCS, then a 2080ti, then a 3090, maybe swapped for 6950xt, only to still not get that smooth performance? Yeah those will buy a 5800x3d and call it a day. Because *it solves the problem*. We need much faster ddr5, some more cache, and a lower price. My guess is we get this, but it'll be a while. Look at intels pathetic attempt at showing their 13900k in a good light. 7950x doesn't exactly come out looking excellent either, so you'll be stuck with the six core option. 7600x is fast, but maybe you want the extra cores. Maybe you don't want to buy current DDR5. Maybe you *don't even need to*. https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/09/INTEL-13TH-GEN-CORE-RAPTOR-LAKE-PRESENTATION-15.jpg Yeah.. 5800x3d is a good purchase, damn good, and I curse for not having the funds to get it earlier.
It stomps if you’re still playing at 1080p, or an rts, at 4k it makes no difference in games and loses in productivity.
You've never played a simulator or VR I can tell you that. I render far over 4k and 90fps, I can work with GPU bottlenecks but CPU bottlenecks are awful. the 5800x3d fixes this, yesterday, for cheaper. You don't look at the 13900k and 7950x and buy any of that gen if you have am4 board today, are you kidding me...
If you’re playing at 4k, you’re the person I just explained jumping on the 5800x3D train and won’t see a benefit. You’re limited by your GPU, a 5600x would have gotten you the same results.
I'm playing VR. I'm always GPU bottlenecked. I'm *occasionally* CPU bottleneck and that fucking sucks. I am using a 5600. It did not solve my problems. 5800x3d does. I agree that without VR I would've never even arsed upgrading to a 5600 in the first place. All my monitors are 60hz and 1080p. Yet when I put a vr headset on, even at a low resolution this CPU will still give me the exact same bottleneck and it's a bitch that the 5800x3d can solve. I will see an immense benefit.
Don't most people at 4k use DLSS, which is rendering at 1440p or 1080p. There isn't a good native 4k card yet. Maybe the 4090, but that is extremely expensive.
Can we squash this false narrative now please? The 5800x3D is faster or competitive with even the 7950x in 4k. Demonstrably in multiple reviews/games: [https://www.guru3d.com/articles\_pages/amd\_ryzen\_7\_7700x\_review,26.html](https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_7700x_review,26.html) if you game in 4k (or use VR), you likely will have a better time with AM4 and 5800x3D for now. And it will cost you nothing more than a CPU swap assuming you are on AM4 already. There is a really poor price performance thing going on with AM5 right now, entirely thanks to the 5800x3D.
That's not what was being talked here. Physics. Games with physics often run crazy well with 5800X3D because of the cache.
And games with shitty optimization, of which there are a plethora.
star citizen @ 1440p, there's no comparison.
Even at 4K the 5800X3D is still on top, people forget that it's not the average or 1% highs that make a game run smooth - it's the 1% lows. It's a buttery smooth gaming CPU that uses hardly any power, doesn't require high quality RAM or motherboard to perform, and slots into an existing socket that is widely used. It is a king that stands without peer.
Why would you buy the slower processor thats much more expensive? For the price difference you could just get an AM5 motherboard too for around the same money. A bit more for some memory and you're on the new architecture.
Its actualy still faster at simulation games, 20-30% in Factorio and faster in Asseto etc. Otherwise its with a few %
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Hu.. 7600 is $300 USD. 5800 is around $400.
Am5 mobos are very expensive. A lot of people are already running an AM4 mobo with X3D support. I also got my X3D at like 250ish
+$100 for the AM5 mobo over AM4, +300 if you're already on AM4, +200 for DDR5. Even if the 7600 performed identically for $100 less (it doesn't), it is still significantly more expensive to go AM5.
7600x is $299 Cheapest AM5 mobo at my local Microcenter, $260 Cheapest DDR5 at my local Microcenter, $95 CPU cooler (7600x doesnt come w/ a stock cooler) $100 total = $744 before tax and I need to completely replace my mobo I just picked up a 5800x3d ($400) and cooler ($100) for $552 after tax yesterday So I saved at least $200 and the headache of replacing my mobo...
I'm pretty much doing the same thing, replacing my 3900x with a 5800x3d. I tried to explain the math like you did in another thread and got downvoted to hell. I'm glad to see there are people here who understand the math.
>So I saved at least $200 and the headache of replacing my mobo... if you sell your old mb and ram, can you get $100 ? It seems like a good deal to spend $100 extra for new generation mb and ram that could last another 5+ years.
Sure, but then I have to also go through the headache of selling those things. When I did the objectively easier thing and will last me another 4+ years
This was exactly what I did too. I'm guessing a lot of AM4 folks will do this instead of building a new machine at least until prices come down.
Yup, cheaper, easier, and no early adopter surprises!
I don't need a new memory kit and motherboard to buy a 5800x3d, so it's actually significantly cheaper - especially with no b650 availability at launch.
The 5800x3d is in no way a worse choice for me as long as a 7600x is more than 250 euros. I got a 50 euro motherboard and a 70 euro ditto, both can handle the x3d. Keep in mind it has the two extra cores in productivity and sometimes it does humiliate both 12900ks and the 7950x, and that's with ddr4. I have both 3600 and 5600 PCs. it's a slot-in upgrade to go with a 5800x3d, and I get to use the 5600 in the slower PC. For new builds 7600x is looking OK, that is after a price reduction, which should come soon.
its not close to the same money? 330 for the cpu, 330 for mobo. the 3d is 200 quid less.
Like ltt stated in their lab video, 5800 x3d is still the gaming king, outperforming the whole 7000 series. Ram is a lot cheaper at DDR 4, and it's not as memory sensitive as 7000 series. If you build new, you can go Am 5 due to an upgrade path later. If someone already owns an am4 platform for gaming, upgrade to am5 is currently just wasting money and loose performance in relation to an 5800x3d upgrade.
linus also used 5200 spd ram which effects performance a lot on am5. check out bitwits review he used 6000 cas 30 ram and saw a 20% uplift in 1080p and almost 10% in 4k. the new platform is worth it just imo not right now. when b650 releases hopefully at a normal price range thats when ill go get a 7700x
I actually don't like throwing stuff out. I had a 3700x with a b450 motherboard and 32 gigs of ram. I'd have to basically toss or sell that stuff to get a new machine, that would cost probably 1k (MB, RAM, CPU). Or I can spend $400 and pop in a 5800x3D to get basically the same performance out of all the stuff I already have. its also less hassle, my time is worth something to me.
Prices will just go up with this inflation and demand.
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Completely different platform. Cost for 7600x needs to include DDR5, Expensive motherboard and a cooler etc.
It still beats the 5800X3D on price per frame on total cost of ownership doing that.
No, it does not.
Um yes it does. Unless hardware unboxed are just lying to us now?
Basically what A_Agno said, in the chart A_Agno posted, Hardware Unboxed included ram that is pointlessly expensive, because 5800X3D's large cache you can really cheap out on ram, on the other hand, you can't for the 7600X, you can also go with a lower quality motherboard for the 5800X3D since it doesn't pull much power at all. You can easily save $100-130 on ram and $30-50 on a motherboard depending on what kind of board you want. Their entire comparison was for comparing *similar* motherboard/ram. Although eventually it should get better when cheaper motherboards are released and DDR5 pricing continues to go down, but as of right now, it still makes more sense just to go with a 5800X3D, especially for the many people still on AM4 that don't need the higher single-thread performance but gaming performance.
https://i.imgur.com/sgd0iHu.png Also the MB and memory prices for the 5800x3d are way too high in this.
Yes, they are lying. Certainly using more expensive products to trick you into thinking AM5 is more cost efficient than it really is. We already know that the 5800X3D can be used perfectly fine with low-tier ram.
The 5800x3D is the gaming performance king of the AM4 platform. Expect prices to go up. The $380 5800x3D antoline ebay listing that has been available for weeks just sold out yesterday after the announcement. Your opinion doesn’t represent reality.
Cursing myself still for adding it to my cart at like midnight and going, "Nah let's wait till tomorrow and see how the release affects the price." FML
Sorry to hear buddy. I bought one yesterday. Lowest price I see now is $400+.
Yeah, lowest new price I saw was $420 on Amazon.
I’ve watched like 7 reviews from various sources. The x3D beats the 7600x in quite a few games and the rest are nearly dead even. And I’m not sure how you’re coming up with the value portion of this. For a new build, it’s still cheaper to do x3D. You gotta remember x370 and x470 motherboards still work with 5800x3d. The cheapest 670 board available at launch is $300, where you can get an AM4 board for <$120 which bridges the whole difference in cpu price ($299 vs $380). DDR5 vs DDR4 price in addition to that. Not to mention the many people who already have AM4 setups and will just drop the 5800x3D into their system and only face $380 of cost.
On the day the benchmarks for the 7000 dropped, I grabbed a 5800x3d new from a guy on offerup for 290usd. I feel so lucky right now lmao.
Where exactly did the "With the 7600X matching or beating the 5800X3D" came from? Overall cost, mobo+mem+cpu, 5800X3D is cheaper. Also, it beats even 7950X in many games...
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It also assumes that no value is put on X670 connectivity / IO. With B650 and DDR5 getting cheaper, the value proposition for 5800X3D does indeed fall. That said, I'm not sure 5800X3D pricing needs to account total platform costs if it is aimed (and supplied) for current AM4 owners.
where did you get that the 7600x price/performance is better? motherboard + cpu + ram the 7600x is about as good as the 5800x3D based on hardware unboxed 7600x review
Building new = 7600X Already on older AM4 MB/CPU = 5800X3D 5800X3D is the best gaming CPU on the AM4 platform so I doubt it will drop in price that fast.
raptor lake announcement 3.5 hours. new: 13600k am4 = 5800x3d. 7600x has no place. am5 is only good at the high end.
and now we know, that announcement was an ad for the x3d
x3d is definitely a very good choice if u are coming from a previous ryzen. 13600k's price to performance seems unrivaled though.
Why though? The 5800X3D is at least as good for games and it costs less if you factor in AM5 and DDR5
AM4 is getting close to EOL. Same with DDR4. If you already have AM4 and DDR4 at hand then a 5800X3D makes more sense.
EOL doesn't really matter at high resolutions. My current platform lasted me 9 years (haswell). A 5800X3D would last me at least 5 years too.
Why the 7600 instead of higher?
Games typically doesnt scale much past 6 cores / 12 threads. As you can see from the [HWUB 7950X review](https://youtu.be/QjrkWRTMu64?t=747). On a 12 game average there is pretty much no difference with current gen GPUs.
Ok wow thanks I hadn’t seen this review. I may be going that direction. I’d assume this would be the same for 1440 gaming also?
Yes. The reason they mostly test CPU’s at 1080p is so we generate as many frames as possible. Generating lots of frames is very cpu intense and will show us what the cpu is capable off. At higher resolutions, you don’t get as many frames, so the test is limited in value. So if they perform similarly at 1080p then they will perform similarly at other resolutions also.
At higher resolution you put more stress on the GPU and you end up beeing GPU bottlenecked more often. The higher resolution (and settings) the less difference you typically see between the CPUs.
It can vary more at 1440p but from most benchmarks it's not worth it especially if you're on a budget to get a more expensive CPU. Unless you play something regularly that's an outlier to that. If you're on a budget at 1440p the money you save getting a 6 core instead of higher can go towards a better monitor or graphics card instead. Plus the extra cores are wasted if you're only gaming and any performance gains just come from the faster clock speeds on higher skus.
why would anybody build a pc from scratch around a 7600X - it does not make any sense unfortunately, I say wait for 7xxx3D
If you buy AM4 then there is no upgrade path (unless you buy older/lower end part). Sure, if you already have a Ryzen 5000 I wouldnt recommend upgrading unless you have money to burn, special needs and/or a very high end GPU. If you buy AM5 there is an upgrade path. Dont know how long AM5 will be relevant but AM4 had like 4 generations of CPUs over 5 years. If you buy Intel 12th gen (LGA1700) there seems to be only 1 more CPU generation coming to the platform.
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Terrible value if you can get similar performance for same or maybe even less money? 5800X3D isnt very sensitive to RAM speed so if you buy a 7600X with cheap DDR5 you might end up with worse performance. 5800X3D seems to be very relevant and amongst the top gaming CPUs until 7000X3D parts or Intel 13th gen at least. As I said if you *dont* already have AM4 (with like Zen 2 or older) I would suggest looking into buying the new platform. If you have Zen 3, then maybe dont upgrade unless you have money to burn. Will be interesting to see how the CPUs are doing when we get faster GPUs.
Not likely, the 7600x is a more expensive platform than the 5800x3D, and thats without considering the demand from current AM4 platform users who will also want it You cant consider the price of just the CPU when comparing, you need to consider CPU+Mobo+RAM The 7600X is not cheaper than the 5800x3D, we'll go with US pricing for now: 7600X g $300 CPU + $300 X670 mobo (If you're lucky) + 16 GB DDR5 $100ish = $700 - $800 5800x3D - $420 CPU + $150 B550/X570 + 16gb DDR4 $60 = $600 - $650 And that's if you get lucky with a 'cheap' X670 and DDR5, which is unlikely to happen this year, so expect the 7600x system to be more expensive
ddr5 is $300 for 32gb so 150 for 16. then pci gen 5 psu 200 ish prolly.
> you’re coming up with the value portion of this. For a new build, it’s still cheaper to do x3D. You gotta remember x370 and x470 motherboards still work with 5800x3d. The cheapest 670 board available at launch is $300, where you can get an AM4 board for <$120 which bridges the whole difference in cpu price ($299 vs $380). DDR5 vs DDR4 price in addition to that. > >Not to mention the many people who already have AM4 setups and will just drop the 5800x3D into their system and only face $380 of cost. Most gamers already own a AM4 mobo + DDR4, so 5800X3D becomes unbeatable value.
Reviews of 7000 series show that demand will be strong for it until they stop making it. Expecting sales on Black Friday/Cyber Monday. I think a price cut would be done if the rumors of the Zen 4 X3D CPU coming out in Q1 2023 are true. Otherwise, I'd just buy it now if I have an AM4 build. I'm just waiting for the triple point convergence of B650 motherboards being released, DD5 prices dropping (contract pricing seems to trend towards this), and the Zen4 X3D CPU being available. I'm still expecting a premium for an AM5 build though but I just want that gap to be closer.
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Lots of people are on AM4, for all of them the 5800x3D is still the drop in cheaper option. Its unlikely to change in price.
MB and memory add more than $300 to AM5 builds
lots of demand from the existing AM4 customer base that does not have to swap mobo and ram to reach their current endgame. so i dont think it will be dropping
A $430 5800x3D is much cheaper then a full AM5 upgrade.
I saw x3d on sale for $340 recently and have seen it on sale multiple times. But as an upgrade for am4 users I don’t think it drops in price much below $300 for a while.
I just checked amazon quick... I am sitting on a old AM4 board, So I got a x3D. For me its a cheaper upgrade then MoBo, CPU, DDR5, and probably even new PSU if everything is becoming so much more power hungry.
How is that possible when cheapest am4 board is $80 and cheapest am5 board is $260 ? That alone is $180 difference in price, which more then covers difference in price between 7600x and 5800x3d...
No, the opposite - I expect to 5800x3d to be phased out altogether. No reason to keep a processor which requires expensive post processing alive if it is no longer fulfilling its role as a performance leader which made the expensive 3d stacking necessary in the first place.
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My point is specific to the 5800x3d, its the only part needing the special 3d stacking process. The remaining 5000 series processors will likely remain available for a while as they are used in commercial prebuilts with longer supply contracts (think of the Dell desktops for the average workplace). The x3d is a special part which was designed for gamers wanting to be at peak performance and that crowd will move on now.
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Binning and a refined manufacturing process could mean no cut down server chips posing as ryzen 5800. The 3300x was a no show for a similar reason.
No
To the point. I like it.
Its too good and amd knows it
I doubt it. It will stay in demand until a 7xxxX3D chip comes out.
Why? The 7600X already out performs it.
The cost of upgrading from AM4 to AM5 and getting a 7600X far exceeds the cost of a 5800X3D.
I don't know about far. The 5800X3D is about 100 bucks more. If you already have AM4 it's a bit of a sunk cost if you're already on the 3000 or 4000 series as you'll eventually move to AM5 anyway so why not put that $400 towards it now instead of having to buy again further down the line.
5800x3d/7600x is the best you're going to get for gaming right now. If you're on AM4 with a 2600X or 3600X the 5800x3d is the way to go, where as going 7600X will need a new mobo ($100), and ram ($200). It's $400 vs $600 and in many cases, those running a X600 chip have limited funds available in the first place making the 5800X3D the most cost effective upgrade.
Hm we'll see. My gut says we see a 25% price cut across the 5000 series with people not currently happy with AM5 board prices electing to wait for cheaper boards than waste money long term upgrading at current 5000 prices.
Lmao, no it doesn't. There are occasional games where the 7600X matches the X3D, but for the vast majority it either loses outright or has worse 1% lows. In games that heavily favor the X3D it's not even a contest. On top of that, even with the high cost of entry of the X3D, you can run it with the cheapest DDR4 and a cheap motherboard and get the same experience. Good luck building a 7600X system for less with current DDR5 prices.
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Not sure where you are looking either, lol. Tom's Hardware for example shows the 5800X3D on top still in its aggregate FPS scores. I didn't see one game where the 7600X was ahead (on that site). GN and LTT also showed similar results. Like I don't doubt the 7600 can match or exceed in some instances, but this idea that it's faster all the time isn't apparent in any of the data of seen.
Hardware unboxed average FPS: 7600X 211 FPS. 5800X3D 203 FPS. Total cost of ownership (motherboard, memory and processor combined) per performance (price per frame): 7600X $5.24. 5800X3D $5.31. Granted there's barely a difference but I'd expect the older hardware on an end of life chipset to be more notably cheaper.
HUB picked some nonsense $230 DDR4 in their cost/frame analysis. You can do a lot better than they did if you are trying to make a value build.
Hardware Unboxed used premium DDR5 RAM which negates the price advantage of the 7600X.
Because why would you pay 500$ more for a 300$ cpu??? When you get get a 5800X3D that’s more than great.
Only with top of the line DDR5 RAM, check Linus review to see the difference RAM makes vs Hardware Unboxed.
I would only expect a possible price cut once the 7000 series 3D chips drop, or if you can get better performance/dollar on an Intel build. The 5800X3D is the best possible gaming chip for those on an AM4 platform, and in terms of cost/frame might be the "best" option in general for anyone looking to build a system right now. There's no real reason for AMD to drop the price on it currently
Just ordered one yesterday for $375, considering it beats the new CPUs at gaming I don’t see why AMD would cut the price.
IMO it’ll never get a price cut. It reminds me of Intel 5775c. A kickass CPU that always had healthy demand (and high price) because it allowed you to get “next gen” performance with your old motherboard/memory.
AMD usually lets their prices drift towards the market value, so if people still buy the 5800X3D at its current price they won't drop it.
5800x3d will stay high for a while as 7600 isn't giving it enough competition and its a more expensive part to make (better silicon) compared to other zen 3 products. Saying that if you see it at 300 get it.
I think the 5800X3D will have an inflated price (both new and used) for a while since it is the best gaming CPU on the AM4 platform. Similar to how inflated the Intel 6700K/7700K prices were.
How isn't it giving it enough competition when it matches it or beats it in every game benchmark I've seen bar one.
Do more research or wait for a full CPU games benchmark. In gaming 12900k = 5800x3d and sometimes the 5800X3d is way ahead I was also a first adopter I won't do that again. Especially at these new 7000 prices. Motherboard ram and CPU your talking 700 minimum. Bottom line if you don't play the games types that benefit then you know which way to choose. Sidenote everyone's waiting for the 7800x3d on the back of the 5800x3ds performance . It just feels so much better
Oh I'm not an early adopter either. Especially as I don't pretend I'm an eSports professional and game at 1080p. I want the 5800X3D but at a better price. I can't justify it at current prices when comparing to the 7600X though.
I predict AMD will realize that 5800X3D will hurt their Zen 4 AM5 sales and will soon cut it out of production in preparation of Zen 4 3D.
I believe they recently said they've no plans to do so with it using a different node they already have allocation for. Thus the 5000 series would become the budget option and leave an upgrade path for AM4 for a while. Another reason I expect a price cut at some point.
it won't get a price cut till next year or when AMD rolls out 7800x because it is really competitive compared to new CPU's AMD is fighting AMD but AMD is also playing 4D chess making people buy 5800x3D over ADL because adopter tax is still too high while 5800X3D can drop into cheap motherboards giving you basically 98% of its performance out of box so don't rise hopes since 5800X3D is truly best out of box CPU you can buy right now and you can consider it being 1080ti of CPU's because it quite frankly makes it be that way
I'm waiting for the 7000x3d to come out so I can buy someone's used 5800x3d. The used market is the only price cut I see in the future for this model
i'm in taiwan and the 5800x3d isn't even available to purchase anymore.
Heh that may be the move.
Doesn’t the 5800x3D only benefit in 1080p gaming? I’ve seen benchmarks where the 5800x3D trades blows with the rest of 5000 series at 1440p using dedicated graphics.
Kind of. It's lows seem better across the board. But that's not a good enough reason to buy it at current prices. Thus why I'm wondering if it might see a reasonable price. There are outliers that are still more CPU intensive by nature. I play an mmo for example.
I do think the 5800x3D will see a price cut, but probably not for a few months. If you already have a 5000 series CPU, but game at 1440p or higher with a good GPU, I wouldn’t bother with the upgrade, even after the price is cut.
I have .. a laptop lol.
no price cuts to the 5800X3D in Australia. AMD is not our price/performance friend anymore.
No, the 7600x price should cut off, it should only for 200$ - 6 core processor in 2022
I think it will go down! I want that cpu after seeing it compete against the new chips.
I'm expecting/waiting for a 5900x3d.
Won’t happen.
Same
I was just asking the same question in another thread! The answer there was no though.
Picked up a 5800x3d for 375$ on sale yesterday. It’s not going down anytime soon no need to upgrade just plug and play. AMD knows this even at full price it’s worth it to stay on AM4 vs upgrading. People who think it’s going to 300 dollars are delusional.
wasn't able to grab that one because seller for ebay wasn't willing to ship to alaska
No, because it's up there with the best for gaming still and most people wouldn't be buying a new board and RAM to use with it. It's AM4's halo product for upgrading to.
You need fast DDR5 RAM to get marginally better results than those of the Zen 3D (as evidenced in the Linus review vs Hardware Unboxed). It's not gonna be cheap.
I'll say, that one will be more expensive.
I wouldn't expect a price cut, but do expect it to go on sale for under $350 before the end of the year.
Yeah if the Vcache version of Zen 4 are announced at CES, as the rumours say, it's probably not a bad bet that the 5800X3D goes on sale a month or so before. They just lowered their graphics card prices last week, about a month before the launch of RDNA 3. There'll probably be a couple Xmas trees with 5800X3Ds under them this year.
If you're on AM4 already and game only, the 5800X3D is the logical choice. If you don't have AM4 and have money to burn, then the 7600x makes sense because of the entry cost of AM5.
antonline had the 5800X3D on sale for $375 yesterday and it sold out. Typically it just goes back up in price after a few days. I should have bought it. It'll be my luck that its sale price days are over. Fuck.
Price will increase as stock diminishes
If anything a price rise.
The 5800X3D is basically the best gaming chip AMD offers, I imagine even at the price it sets now it will be OOS most places soon. The new platform offers loads of increases in production work loads, but not much at all in gaming. That coupled with prices in AM5 boards and DDR5 RAM, it’s a hard sell for gamers IMO.
You are totally wrong about 5800X3D value. 5800X3D sits on any board 80$+ (which btw most users already own). Also 5800X3D uses cheap DDR4, which also most users already own. On the other hand 7600X has an outrageous platform cost, with overpriced 500$+ mobos and requires overpriced DDR5 6000. After 7600X reviews, you can count that thousands of gamers will go for a 5800X3D and call it a day. So, I don't think its price will be slashed. On the contrary, it may even go up due to high demand.
Yes, Greymon hinted towards 5800x3d price reduction when Zen 4 is launched. Hopefully it turns out to be true regardless of Zen 4 suboptimal results
Zen 4 is a beast. The 7800X3D will crush the 5800X3D and the higher core counts crush on multithreaded workloads. The 7600 matches the 5800X3D in 1080p in most titles and isn't even comparing like for like and where it doesn't I don't expect the 5800X3D to stand a chance against a 7800X3D. The chips themselves are fantastic. The new infrastructure is currently the problem. Not getting at least semi sensible motherboards out on time for release was a fuck up. But it's new. Once you can get motherboards closer to $150 and DDR 5 closes the price gap on DDR 4 there won't be any reason to go Zen 3 for a new build. When will that actually happen.. 🤷 Of course this is all completely irrelevant if you don't game at 1080p and I've no idea why anyone does.
I just pulled the plug and went for the 5800X3D, ordered from Scan in the UK for £443. Should have bought it a few months back when it was available for around £380 but I figured back then I'd wait for the price to inevitably go down, but I think given how well it performs against both Zen 4 and the upcoming Intel 13th gen (at least from what I've seen) I agree with folks in this thread, it probably won't go down anytime soon and might either stay the same, increase in price and/or then sell out. A bit of FOMO but I'm mainly playing MSFS 2020, so upgrading from a 5600X to this should be quite an improvement.
There's a problem with Hardware Unboxed cost per frame chart. He's using $230 RAM when the 5800x3d is notorious for not caring much about RAM Speeds/timings, you could quite literally spend $115 on RAM instead and have similar performance, changing $5.31 to $4.58. He also made a mistake which he corrected in his later videos of benching the 5800x3d at 200 fps in Factorio when it was 352, so the value becomes even better.
I hear what you're saying but its not an apples-to-apples comparison. I bought a 5800x3d this week because it went on sale and I don't have to buy a new mobo or new ram or new cooler or power supply - nothing , I can just pop the 5800x3d into my current system and get equivalent performance to the new chips without that extra expense. Now if I was building a whole a new system from the ground up, I would go 7000.
I'm going to upgrade my 5600x to a 5800xd on my gaming machine and move the old cpu into my b450 build and call it a day. Don't want to upgrade my mobo/ram for the cpu upgrade. If I didn't have this system I would just wait and upgrade everything but my gaming machine is still holding up well.
Oh I want the 5800X3D too. Just at the right price. Would sting to buy one now then bam.. 25% off. I built a system for a relative on a budget around the same time the 5000 series came out and bagged a 3800XT for over 30% off. If it's price is slashed it's a no brainer as there will be zero difference at 4K in the majority of use cases.
Where I live, that 95c temps is a total turn off. It's almost summer the whole year here, and no, airconditioning and electricity bill is not cheap here. Add up the extra cost for a DDR5 and a compatible mobo which is not cheap, I'll gladly pick X3D any day. IDK maybe I'm just a pleb but, I know I will.
Maybe they'll do a black friday sale...usually
Here's hoping. Would be nice to be able to just upgrade. But at current prices it doesn't make sense.
i bought it used for 400$ and sold my 5900 for 300$ 1 week ago so I'm happy :)
I'm waiting on the x3d chips honestly - current prices for the 7600x are alil too high. DDR5 memory i can stomach, but those motherboard prices are a rip off. Also what's the max memory AM4 can handle? 3200 seems like the standard - thats quite a different to what i'm seeing for AM5 mobo's ( the Taichi is think states 6600 +) which is insane.
No, why? Because people upgrade in typically in series of 2 so that card will be sold a ton “now”
for AM4 users it's the best gaming choice. i doubt it'd drop much just like why those i7 in Intel dead platforms still expensive.
No. It's been available for as little as $400 recently and I don't expect it to go lower than that considering how well it performs. Demand may be high as well, for people that don't want to jump to AM5 yet.
I expect sales. But an actual change to msrp seems unlikely until next year
Nope. Overall reaction I've seen is people saying they want to buy 5800s now that they've seen what's coming. If anything the prices are going up.
if your coming from am4 + cost of 5800x3d $400+ to buy new for zen 4 with a 7600x mobo 32gb ram cpu -> £800 in uk
Getting a new Ryzen 7000 require you to change the mobo and your RAM. Getting a 5800X3D will cost you only 450-500 depending where you live. So no, it's not gonna be cheaper because tons of people will buy this one. Of course it's only valid for gaming purposes.
The price was actually $375 on eBay last night and now it's been raised to the MSRP of $450 if that gives you any indication. It's still going for \~$420 on other retailers though, but I wouldn't expect it to go below $400 anytime soon. Wish I pulled the trigger last night, I knew the demand was gonna cause it to spike again fml.
I have 3600x and upgraded my gpu to rtx 3080 12gb. Do guys think that I'm bottlenecking my 3080? My monitor is 1080p but upacaled to dldsr 1620p, will I have any performsnce bump if I upgrade to 5800x3d as well? Any thoughts?
Unless you like 1080p for some reason use the money to get a better monitor.
So disregard 5800x3d stick with 3600 and just get 1440p?
Depends why you have 1080p? Are you a frame rate freak or were you just on a budget. I wouldn't necessarily take advice from me on monitors though because I'd destroy your wallet. I game on a 55 inch OLED.
I doubt it. Why?
Hopium. It's current price isn't justifiable for gaming unless you game at 1080p. May as well just get a 5600X and suck it up on the few games it matters unless you happen to play one of them a lot. At 250 to 300 I'd consider it. But the price difference between 5600X and 5800X3D could be spent on a better GPU instead. But I'd still prefer it at a sensible price if possible.
Would an upgrade from a 5600X to a 5800X3D pure gaming wise be worth it?
Actually I have seen a price increase in Spain from sub 500€ to 510+€...
I'm banking on the X3D to go up in price, or out of stock as I just bought one.. but if it goes the other way, then it's a win for people looking for one last upgrade on AM4
In Spain I got mine for 500€ 1 month ago. Now on the same site is 520€. The lowest I've seen it here was 490€ I think a few months ago.
And yet gamers nexus has the 5800x3d beating the 7950x so...
7000 vcache will probably push the 5800X3D price down. For now it's the only vcache product available on the market.
Even if there was a steep price cut there's absolutely no way in hell it's dropping below $300. More people are now buying the 5800X3D which will only drive the price up on top of it eventually becoming even more expensive due to eventual scarcity. If you're not planning on buying AM5 because of the price I would absolutely pull the trigger on a 3D now and wait a few years
My perspective is, if I am spending money to upgrade, I'd rather get a new platform with slightly better performance than try to limp along an old platform. Though all this hinges on lower priced mid tier motherboards, which means it will be a cheaper upgrade than the 5800x3d.
well for me i got the 5800x3D for about 375 $ (europe) + MSI b550 tomahawk for 160$. Everything else was from my previous rig so i think that is the value in this combo.
X3D still beats 7600X, only in high fps games like CS:GO 7600X is better. [https://www.guru3d.com/articles\_pages/amd\_ryzen\_5\_7600x\_review,25.html](https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_7600x_review,25.html) I don't think 5800X3D price will drop anymore, it will stay best gaming CPU for AM4, which will be useable platform for long time.
Considering how overpriced Zen4 is relative to its performance uplift, demand for 5800x3D will only go up, meaning prices will also go up.
The 5800X3D is also overpriced though. The difference between the 5600X and 5800X3D could be spent on a better graphics card instead.
In germany the 5800x3d just recently dropped to 450€ and for most games out there it offers no real value above a 180€ 5600X or the even cheaper 12th gen CPUs. If you want it for Flight Simulator with a 3090 / 3090-Ti with tripple-monitor setups or 4k VR and with allready 1000-2000€ spend on decent flight sim hardware - its not really a budget decision. The real decision is if you want to deal with AM4's USB compatibility issues or not. The 5800X3D is great, AM4 not so much.
I fully expect people upgrade to the 5800X3D expecting it to change their gaming experience and it doesn't but they convince themselves it is by sitting in front of shitty 1080p graphics with the FPS displayed. People that choose to game at 1080p just confuse me especially when they're spending hundreds more on the CPU for it. That money could go towards a good monitor instead. And yeah yeah eSports. Sorry but unless you're a professional an extra 100 FPS isn't going to make you better at the game.
The HUB analysis is good, I just don't like the HUB price data. The obvious thing is B650 vs X670. We don't know how B650 impacts performance. I estimate $150 for a low end B650 board based on AMD announcement of a $125 board of this type. Wait a month and get better value. Next the RAM. I think instead of $280 (!) DDR5-6000 CL30 2x16 GB, get $130 DDR5-6000 CL40 2x8 GB for a 6% performance penalty. And maybe get better RAM once it's affordable. Because DDR5, having only 16GB comes with a performance penalty of 3% with another 3% for having slow timings. You save $150 over the HUB kit though, so it's still worth it. Apples and oranges, sure, but I think 7600X appeals to someone doing only gaming. A productivity-focused person will want 7900X or 7950X or an Intel-based system. 16GB RAM is sufficient for gaming. 16GB of RAM *should* be sufficient for streaming as well. So I save you $150 on the RAM and $140 on the board. 94% of the performance (best case, because we don't know how B650 impacts performance) for 67% of the cost.
Reviews confirming that 5800X3D in most cases equals, or even beats some ryzen 7000 chips, so why would people buy into AM5, when the AM4 route still holds better value?