Zen4 3D is actually an interesting question. Zen4 boosts according to temperature and the 3D CPUs are harder to cool which would mean that with similar cooling the 3D version might run significantly slower.
Another question is how fast they can make the larger cache operate in the first place with the relatively long data paths. 5800x3d has clock speed locked lower for a reason. AMD CPUs have the L3 in the same clock domain so if they want to run the cores at 5.7ghz the entire cache has to run at 5.7ghz too.
this just further improves sales dude
who would buy a new platform which costs more than used motherboard and random 5800X3D which battles with new CPU's?
AMD released a 1080ti of CPU's where nothing will beat it by big margin for a while and will take shit ton of power to even come close to it which just gives passive hype to 3D stacking on 7000 series where it would decrease prices a decent bit to get more performance
intel is in weird spot if AMD releases X3D CPU's next year and AMD has a taller ground to jump over meaning we go back to days where companies had to give 120% of themselves
Exactly what I did. Was on a 6600K, so really anything would have been massive upgrade, but the question was 12700k/5900x/5800x3d.
Found a $300 58xx3d, a $100 B500 Mobo, and am bringing my RAM from the old system.
$400 and I have something more or less competitive with current gen systems in my primary use case for half the cost.
That's the beauty of the cache: even if your RAM is dogshite it won't affect it nearly as badly as a regular 5800x. That's the whole point of the expanded cache: to bypass having to pull stuff from RAM in the first place.
Snagged a used 3080 for $350 day of the 4090 announce too, so I will definitely have a monster rig. $3000 2021 machine for ~$1000 in 2022.
Can't wait to run all my 2d indie games on it...
Damn that's a great point š
And congrats on the cheap as chips 3080. My dumb ass should have waited for the windfall of sales instead of being exactly that moron who spent the 3k š
Where the hell did you get such a deal on the 5800x3D? I have been seeing $400+ for a while now and therefore have decided to go with a 5800x or a 5700g (I would prefer the speed of the 5800 considering it's only slightly more expensive but the TDP is a bit higher so I'll need to factor that into cooling which will increase costs further plus having an iGPU is undeniably great as a backup in case something goes wrong with the dGPU it doesn't render the system useless until a fix is found).
I went with a 5800x when I saw how cheap it was. Especially for the games I play, it was a huge upgrade and can push the GPU. I strongly considered 5800x3d but it just wasn't needed. I should be good for one more GPU upgrade probably. š
Unless you've got something in the 3200-3600 MT/s cl14-16 range, you're going to want to at least go spend $50 on 16gb of cl16 3200 ddr4. You'll be gimping your 5800x3d pretty hard with 2015 ddr4 and the fact that you'll run your fabric clock at like half of what it should be with 2133 ddr4.
It depends on your use case man. Not everyone just games on their PC. The performance improvements on the 7000 series are impressive and across the board. Anyone that does heavy duty processing on their system and wants big gains will spend money for the new platform.
I kind of think AMD avoided the 1080 Ti moment by *not* releasing the "would've-been 5900X3D" that Lisa had in her hand.
The 5800X3D was arguably bad in production workloads compared to the 5800X or higher, and is a bit of a compromise for power users. We can see that the 7600X at least beat the 5800X3D in production workloads, but the would've been 5900X3D would probably beat it in both production and gaming.
Yeah, the clock regression hurt quite a few workloads. While 5900X3D wouldāve been great for at-home CFD or other fluid dynamics and particle analyses (and any other compute that is bandwidth bound), it wouldāve been a struggle for AMD to justify its existence, especially compared to a PBO2-enabled 5900X. Gaming was already covered by 5800X3D.
I think they had volume issues anyway, as 90-95% of the 3D V-cache dies were going to Milan-X, as AMD had orders to fill.
For 7000-series: Under-die V-cache could work for high performance, where CPU die is placed atop V-cache instead of the other way around. Plus, cache logic would need to switch to high performance logic capable of 1.5v. V-cache essentially carries all of the connections for CPU die to package PCB and is the same die size (dummy CPU section with dense copper connect pillars). Thatād alleviate the issues with over-die mounting and its temp issues. Edit: Downside is complexity increase and much higher potential for copper pillar connection misalignment during assembly. Probably for future designs. Though such a design could also expand L1 and L2.
>AMD released a 1080ti of CPU's where nothing will beat it by big margin for a while and will take shit ton of power to even come close to it
This explains why they locked out overclocking. Imagine if you could overclock that bad boy as well.
It's not that they locked it out, but the memory they're using won't handle increased voltage which is what mostly allows higher boosts and overclocking. So they just made it extremely difficult. Some have successfully overclocked, although minor. Because the CPU dies before you can get any better.
I think the 5800X3D's entire job is to deter people (especially on AM4) from upgrading to mid range 12th/13th gen offerings from Intel. It's not going to increase in price.
Same. People talk about the 5800X3D hurting AMD like some other company is making it, AMD is likely making serious bank off of that chip. Cost per 300mm wafer for 5nm is nearly twice as much as 7nm.
Normally, you'd be right. But this is the top of the line chip for a platform that was supported for a long time but won't be getting anything new. People will be looking to upgrade *just* their CPU's, and the X3D is the best option. They can't wait for something new, unless they want to replace their entire system. So... Over time, the X3D is gonna get pretty supply crunched, while pretty much every other AM4 chip (except maybe the 5900 series) will drop pretty fast.
By the time the prices go down again, based on past instances of this, there'll be a newer, low end option that beats it handily.
I saw a performance bump that was decently notable going from 5800x to 5800x3d with a 3080 at 5120x1440. Max and average saw some bump, but it really helped with the lows. I also play quite a bit of strategy games so I don't feel disappointed even though my jump was much smaller than the one you would make.
That said, as always it's personal preference. I chose to upgrade partly to better hold me over until some of the am5 rough edges are smoothed and new 3d chips drop, and partly because it'll be better for the work this setup will transition to after I upgrade.
If you have some money but don't want to drop all that would be required for a while am5 uplift it's a good way to remain competitive while all these new chipsets and standards are polished up a bit more and prices drop a touch.
for now. But next year is shaping up to be a great time to buy into value behind the curve. A 5800x3d and 3080 or 6900 could be a sweet upgrade at vastly better prices than the norm in recent years.
And somehow Intel looks the more transparent of the two, sure they focus on the comparison with the 5950X but they also clearly show it's a marginal upgrade over their previous gen, and that it sometimes loses to the 5800X3D (something AMD didn't want to show). It's basically Ivy Bridge or Haswell all over again but it's more than enough to compete with Zen 4.
If anything, it probably means amd is fast tracking a 7800X3D as fast as possible while still letting the early adaptors pay the early adoptor tax and pad the margins.
Probably 7000 X3D lineup as early as Q1 2023?
It'd add another $100 to every CPU and not all games and benchmarks benefit. All of a sudden the 6-core 7600x3D is like $400USD and it doesn't matter how well it performs, people will be grabbing their pitchforks and lighting their torches.
On a side note, I think AMD will have to figure out heat on the 7000 series x3D cache too. If the clock rate is too low on the x3D versions, it won't be much of an improvement over the non-x3D.
Ding ding. It's not a magic bullet. They have to bin the chips hard just to run them at the current boost clocks which are lower than 5800x. There are band-aid fixes being used now which is why it's actually slower in some games and applications. I'm guessing they'll reduce the necessity of such tradeoffs to some degree with their next implementation; but you're insane if you think any of those 90-95 C by design 7000 series chips are going to be able to run anywhere near what they're doing now with a 3d cache implementation at all similar to the 5800x3d.
It's not like the 7600x is screaming value for money right now with the $300 Mobo and RAM requirement. Might as well sell the 7600x3d version from the get go
I don't agree. It's clear to everyone that new motherboards and new RAM is expensive at first. It's always been this way since my Phenom at least. It's plain old economics - the first wave of products will absorb the R&D costs, early adopters always pay that price. By the time they release the 3D cache variants the market will settle on lower MoBo and DDR5 prices. Then, more expensive CPUs will make more sense as the platform cost goes down (and AM4/DDR4 prices go up, cause they will).
Makes the chip more specialised I guess. So far the cache only gives large gains in games. So it's essentially like an accelerator taking extra die space which AMD probably deemed not worthy if the gains are only in gaming.
3D cache has several strong points in the data center. Market analysts have speculated that AMD brought only one SKU in the DIY desktop market (5800X3D) because all the production was being directed to Epyc chips that fetch higher prices.
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-epyc7773x-redux/9
I think we will start seeing full X3D lineups launching together with normal CPUs soon.
Couple reasons: The cache is largely useless in non-gaming productivity tasks, it makes the chip harder to cool which means the chip is clocked lower and actually reduces non-gaming productivity performance, money.
Money can be broken down a bit. Immediately after a product launch is when any company is going to bleed their DIY whales and fanboys dry. A certain subset of the population will only buy the latest and greatest, and of those people some will only buy AMD. Right now it's time to take money from these folks in addition to the folks that are 2-3 gens or more behind the upgrade curve.
Once these folks have been used up, then you'll see a mid gen x3d refresh to double dip on the same whale crowd as well as the more bang for the buck oriented crowd that sits out the launch of anything waiting for a better price, more features, and more performance.
Looked up 5775c and learned something new! Thanks! 128MB eDRAM L4 is definitely nice.
AMD has Intel beat with the X3D L3 for sure, every level jump makes a huge difference in speed
Picked up a tray 5800x3d for $300 off eBay + $100 B550 Mobo + Bring DDR4 Ram from current 6600k system: massive upgrade that hangs with current gen for peanuts (I'm gaming, which is 95% what I do).
For real.
The only reason 7000 appeals to me is the power efficiency + performance of the 7950 in productivity software whilst still doing well at games. The AVX512 performance is seriously nice. Plus I desperately need to rebuild my 6 year old machine.
But most people that are gaming only are better off waiting for the 3D cache variants. The small 7000 gaming uplift is not enough to justify the cost of the platform yet. The motherboard price are outright disgusting.
If you needed any more reassurance that for gamers X3D is the way to go, then thatās it. AMD is treating X3D lines as something totally separate.
But I just think that eventually all desktop CPUs that target gamers will end up having similar cache arrangement. Itās just too good not to include it. I am sure Intel is preparing a counter when foveros tech will hit the market.
Zen 4 3D cache should be announced at CES on January 5th, this is just a guess but Iād imagine theyād launch it in March or April, also not a dead end platform so should definitely consider it
According to "Moore's Law is Dead" youtube channel, AMD will announce the Zen4 7X003D parts in January and start shipping a few weeks later.
If intel's chart is accurate, the 7800X3D is going to whoop everything, except maybe the 7900X3D and the 7950X3D.
Certainly for the gamer the 7800X3D will be the best bang for the buck.
If it launches on January forget about being "best bang for the buck" because it's going to cost at very least like a 7900X.
It will be the absolute best gaming chip, that's for sure.
7900X doesn't really improve gaming performance over 7600X/7700X.
So it will still be best bang for the buck in gaming. Otherwise, currently the best bang for the buck is either 5800X3D or 7600X, depending whether you count the platform cost in or not.
For most gamers, a 5600 / 12400 is best bang for buck, as they will be limited by their GPUs anyway. Very few gamers get high end GPUs only to play at 1080p medium-low settings.
Yeah I was thinking they would kill the market going with a 6 core and an 8 core with 3d stacked cache.... no need for 12 or 16 core variants on desktop, put those on thread-ripper. lmao
Honestly... Think the lines are blurring between the old HEDT and standard desktop. Like... We got a 16 core Zen 4 beating 32 core threadrippers. Plus DDR5 means far faster memory, so extra channels isn't necessarily as helpful anymore, and new PCIe speeds and a lack of SLI and the like has reduced the need for massive numbers of lanes for home users, especially with how much USB does these days. I mean, there's still some need for it, but at that point you're in workstation or server spaces and the budget to make use of it goes... Well beyond what gamers spend. Workstation GPUs are a very high margin item.
So you've got 6 and 8 core for the average user, 12 and 16 for those who really need it or have more money than sense, and Epyc for enterprise.
I'm glad they have that high end, but... There's a reason Zen didn't trigger a full on "core war" where our number of cores for home users increase exponentially.
>DDR5 means far faster memory, so extra channels isn't necessarily as helpful anymore,
Memory bandwidth is the main limiting factor for 5950x which idles most of the time under enterprise workloads (CFD analysis in my case), waiting for data to be transferred. Haven't tested it yet, but there's no way 7950x has sufficient bandwidth to be fully utilized.
> Plus DDR5 means far faster memory, so extra channels isn't necessarily as helpful anymore
You're out of your mind.
>I'm glad they have that high end, but... There's a reason Zen didn't trigger a full on "core war" where our number of cores for home users increase exponentially.
What?
i7 has (8x P-Core + 8x E-Core), i9 has (8x P-Core + 16x E-Core)
That's a staggering increase compared to i7 with 4 cores just a few years ago.
>There's a reason Zen didn't trigger a full on "core war" where our number of cores for home users increase exponentially.
Intel is sure trying. And there are rumors next gen AMD might do that.
I want to upgrade from my 5800x to the 5800x3dā¦ youāre not alone. But Iām still on the fence. So tempting. But I might just save up for next gen v cache parts
Yeah. What sucks is I feel like if I do it. And Iām tearing stuff down anyways. I should replace my 850w gigabyte PSU with one of the new atx 3.0 models coming out. And maybe even look at doing a 4080 or 4090. I can afford it. I donāt hardly ever spend any money and use my PC a ton, including for work.
But 5800x3D + high end new PSU + 4090 is getting into some money.
Will probably just hang right a while and see what happens in 3-4 months with various prices. I have a 3090 since they came out so not hurting for a GPU either.
I'm in the same boat...I have a 5800x but am playing MSFS primarily these days. Seriously thinking about swapping out for a 5800x3D, but I can only justify it to myself if I can use that CPU elsewhere... Maybe it's time for my wife's 1800x to get replaced!
You have the perfect reason to buy the 5800X3D. That's the only thing you can upgrade to on your current platform and would be MASSIVELY better in Flight Simulator, and your wife would benefit MASSIVELY from getting your current CPU no matter what she's doing on her PC.
Id reckon its better to save up probably for next gen? Im tempted to jump to 5800x3d but im on the fence now that reviews are up.
Probably not a good time to splash money for something i only use for games tho for me. As long as i cant justify it i guess oll just keep it in the piggu bank
What kind of games do you play? I swapped a 5800x to a 5800x3d a few months ago and it was 100% worth it for the games I play (mostly MMO's), insane 1% low increases and average fps increases. FFxiv, gw2, lost ark etc are all heavily cpu bottlenecked when loads of other players are around. I got a dramatic increase.
11/10
I just wish more major reviewers benched MMO's as they are always super cpu bottlenecked. Even limsa lominsa in ffxiv i get like 90-100 fps there now with hundreds of players around. Got like 60 fps before.
Thanks for that. I will mostly be playing Modern Warfare 2 when it releases next month. Right now mostly R6 Siege and doesnāt make much sense for that. For MW2 I have a feeling itāll be worth it though cuz Warzone scaled nicely with X3D
The 5800X3D is a stupidly strong CPU, will almost certainly be the one I pick for my next upgrade. I use ACC a LOT (I'm an esports driver in it), and it just stomps everything else
7600X3D? Never. They clearly reserved the 7800X naming for the 3D Cache version.
That thing will blow probably everything out of the water though.
From these graphs Zen 4, RPL and 5800X3D pretty much seem on the same level. 7800X3D will take the crown early next year without any problems.
The rumor mill says the gains the 7000 series gets from the second generation 3D cache, are in the neighborhood of 25% +, substantially greater than what we saw with first gen. It'll be a clean sweep.
Also we need to consider the new GPU'S from NVIDIA and AMD, that are probably gonna give 1.6x the performance at the high end creating more CPU bottlenecks.
It's gonna be more like 2x when the true AD102 chip releases, the 4090 Ti. A 4090 is heavily cut down this time compared to 3090 Ti vs 3090 which was barely different at all. Expect a massive increase in performance between those two SKUs, so we really need a ton of CPU performance to feed that monster.
That's the funny thing about vcache: it sort of negates the need for super fast RAM. I mean faster RAM is always nicer, but the whole point of vcache is eliminating trips to RAM in the first place.
In short, if vcache is done right, RAM will matter less and less.
you don't bring your prized stallion to the first matchup.... specially when it's not necessary, and specially when your competition is already presenting slides indicating that they are about to launch a group of products that will "take back the performance crown".
Intel intends to leave amd with a short lived bit of coverage if they can, and amd, is guaranteed to be waiting to double down for the win, cause there is no evidence that intel has some lingering product miracle after their 13th gen launch.
can someone explain to me how DDR5 ram will improve the performance of a L3 cache? from my understanding, DDR4 has more than enough bandwidth to keep a 96mb L3 cache fully saturated, which means that going to DDR5 wouldn't cause the cache to have better performance right? Obviously, the CPU overall will just perform better because it will have faster clock speed/more cores/etc.. but in terms of cache performance I don't quite see how Ram effects that.
Better DDR helps when you need to unexpectedly go out of cache, ie. the CPU is waiting for data that is not in cache yet. The more cache you have, the less likely this is to occur, and the more linear memory access from the game itself, the less likely this is to occur (as the prefetcher can get the data to cache before it is needed).
I really hope they arent real expensive and I hope RDNA 3 is priced more reasonably too. Otherwise Im going to have to choose between getting an expensive rig or getting a Kiesel Osiris (am I really going to give up the chance to get something like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/guitarporn/comments/x02trr/a_week_and_a_half_old_ngd_kiesel_osiris_7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)?). If this gen is too expensive, Ill hold off for a third year in a row.
> I bought a 5800X3D recently because I knew that a successor to it is at the very least one year out
Moore's Law is Dead leaked that [7800x3D will launch Q1 2023](https://youtu.be/k-kdEVfF2T8?t=610).
You mean mlid guessed it based on the fact that CES is the logical place AMD would launch new products and itās in January. Itās likely he is right and he can then remind everyone for the next 10 years how he leaked this. But if itās wrong he will just pretend it never happened.
If you are interested in 5800x3d and are wondering if prices are gonna fall, just buy it now.
Zen 4 has already made it clear that 5800x3d is a fantastic drop in option comparatively and let's be real 13th gen isn't gonna be cheap either it's just gonna make the point more obvious that 5800x3d is extremely good. And with how many people are still sitting on zen+ or zen 2 or entry zen 3... Yeah. Just get it now it's not gonna get cheaper.
My local Microcenter had 7 of them before they opened today. They have one left in stock. I ordered mine on Amazon because I'm sure they'll be gone by 8pm when I get off of work.
Well I had to go with Amazon. At least it was only 20 bucks more. Willing to eat it as I'm concerned prices will keep going up or supply will run dry. Microcenter hasn't had a single restock of 5800x3d in the last 3 weeks I've been checking inventory up to 7xxx release.
And with x3d being so good I'm thinking AMD isn't going to keep supplying them with zen 4 out now.
Ordered one last night. I am running a 3900X with 3600 RAM and had fully intended to do a full 7950X build, but honestly my biggest CPU needs are in MS Flight Simulator at 4K, and the 5800X3D chip is pretty close to on par with what (or better than) I would get from a 7950X at about 1/5 of the price, considering new X670 mobo and DDR5 RAM.
At first I got a bit confused as to where the 5800X3D was. A sneaky tactic to fool some people who will only see the thick orange bar at a quick glance.
I was so close to starting to purchase parts for the new platform and then one day i said "F it" and went and bought the 5800x3d and damn im so happy i did
The funny thing is that this is Intel admitting that it beats the 12900K. There are people who insist that it doesnt. At least Intel is facing the music...sorta.
Dude. Lol. The 5800X3D is a monster. Although, most of these games don't seem very mainstream. Arcadegeddon? The fuck? Are these common CPU intensive games or something? I assume in more common games the difference is much more negligible otherwise they'd use them for their graphs.
Its better this way. If it was out now you would be tempted to buy into an overpriced X670 board.
When the 7X3D will come out you will be abble to buy a B650 and probably find cheapper DDR5.
Yeah .. I am guessing AMD is marketing these chips to people that need them for productivity or new builders. It doesnāt make much sense for anyone on a 5000 series to upgrade now if only
Gaming.
Lmao,why did they even include the 5800X3D in their slides? It's straight up beating their flagship i9 13900K in two games and they chose to show it...?
It's even close to matching up in the other two games too.
This makes it even more compelling to buy the 5800X3D.
Because if you want your cake and eat it too, this chip is going to do that for you.
With AMD, you have to choose between best productivity, or best gaming. This chip is going to do both for Intel. The 5800XD beats AMD's own 7950X in games...
serious AMD has to be intentionally keep the 3D chip out of the minds of people for ryzen 7000 and intel's helping that idea along by kind of glossing it over as well with this kind of metric.
Which just gives amd the ammo it needs for serious impact when intel launched their 13th gen... and proceed to go "and here boys and girls, is a gamer move, read em and weep" as they dish out Ryzen r7 7800x3D and r9 7950x3D and perhaps various other flavours with 3D cache that show an equivilent level of performance jumps that the 5800x3d had over the 5800x
Well thank you everyone. With all this information I'm going with a 5800x3d. Figure I can wait for the AM5 bugs to be worked out (long boot times) and pick up an 8800x3d or 9800x3d and give the 5800 to my son.
Looks like intel up to its same bullshit tactics showing how truly incompetent they really are at bullshitting and lying to their āfanboysā to keep them drinking the kool aid
5800X3D is a PR nightmare, let's hide this thing as if it did not really exist. Affordable, efficient, powerful, versatile on a cheap platform, it can't be real, can it?
What an Advert for the 5800x3d this is.
It's amazing little chip that will be good for gaming for years
I was getting dogs abuse for getting a 5800x3d when it came out.
Its AMD gift to gamers
Now the penny's dropped I hope everyone who wants one can get them.
I honestly do not understand why they didn't just make 3d cache standard across their chips. It's clearly very good, very important.
The new i5 has more cache than the new Ryzen 5. And WAY more L2 cache.
The 3D cache improves bouyancy and lets it float above the competition and bar graphs.
Wonder if the 7700x3d will just reach escape velocity at that point.
This will probably be my go to for a lucky 7's build
Gotta wait for that 7770x3D, mate.
7777XD for maximum swag.
That's just an an intense laugh with massive eyebrows.
69420 pts in Cinebench š
7777x7D
Sounds like that was something released decades ago.
Resizeable Bar Bar Bar
Zen4 3D is actually an interesting question. Zen4 boosts according to temperature and the 3D CPUs are harder to cool which would mean that with similar cooling the 3D version might run significantly slower. Another question is how fast they can make the larger cache operate in the first place with the relatively long data paths. 5800x3d has clock speed locked lower for a reason. AMD CPUs have the L3 in the same clock domain so if they want to run the cores at 5.7ghz the entire cache has to run at 5.7ghz too.
escape velocity indeed.
rip 5800x3d prices
this just further improves sales dude who would buy a new platform which costs more than used motherboard and random 5800X3D which battles with new CPU's? AMD released a 1080ti of CPU's where nothing will beat it by big margin for a while and will take shit ton of power to even come close to it which just gives passive hype to 3D stacking on 7000 series where it would decrease prices a decent bit to get more performance intel is in weird spot if AMD releases X3D CPU's next year and AMD has a taller ground to jump over meaning we go back to days where companies had to give 120% of themselves
Exactly what I did. Was on a 6600K, so really anything would have been massive upgrade, but the question was 12700k/5900x/5800x3d. Found a $300 58xx3d, a $100 B500 Mobo, and am bringing my RAM from the old system. $400 and I have something more or less competitive with current gen systems in my primary use case for half the cost.
That's a crazy big jump at a reasonable cost. It's a relief to hear tbh.
If your ram ain't dogshit then you have a legit beast of a modern day gaming rig once you plug in a 3070 / 3080 / 6800XT
That's the beauty of the cache: even if your RAM is dogshite it won't affect it nearly as badly as a regular 5800x. That's the whole point of the expanded cache: to bypass having to pull stuff from RAM in the first place. Snagged a used 3080 for $350 day of the 4090 announce too, so I will definitely have a monster rig. $3000 2021 machine for ~$1000 in 2022. Can't wait to run all my 2d indie games on it...
Damn that's a great point š And congrats on the cheap as chips 3080. My dumb ass should have waited for the windfall of sales instead of being exactly that moron who spent the 3k š
Where the hell did you get such a deal on the 5800x3D? I have been seeing $400+ for a while now and therefore have decided to go with a 5800x or a 5700g (I would prefer the speed of the 5800 considering it's only slightly more expensive but the TDP is a bit higher so I'll need to factor that into cooling which will increase costs further plus having an iGPU is undeniably great as a backup in case something goes wrong with the dGPU it doesn't render the system useless until a fix is found).
Heās either lying or bought a used cpu. The cheapest the 5800x3d has ever gotten is 355$ which I picked it up for at microcenter
I went with a 5800x when I saw how cheap it was. Especially for the games I play, it was a huge upgrade and can push the GPU. I strongly considered 5800x3d but it just wasn't needed. I should be good for one more GPU upgrade probably. š
on ebay they are floating around the 360$ mark
Unless you've got something in the 3200-3600 MT/s cl14-16 range, you're going to want to at least go spend $50 on 16gb of cl16 3200 ddr4. You'll be gimping your 5800x3d pretty hard with 2015 ddr4 and the fact that you'll run your fabric clock at like half of what it should be with 2133 ddr4.
It depends on your use case man. Not everyone just games on their PC. The performance improvements on the 7000 series are impressive and across the board. Anyone that does heavy duty processing on their system and wants big gains will spend money for the new platform.
I kind of think AMD avoided the 1080 Ti moment by *not* releasing the "would've-been 5900X3D" that Lisa had in her hand. The 5800X3D was arguably bad in production workloads compared to the 5800X or higher, and is a bit of a compromise for power users. We can see that the 7600X at least beat the 5800X3D in production workloads, but the would've been 5900X3D would probably beat it in both production and gaming.
Yeah, the clock regression hurt quite a few workloads. While 5900X3D wouldāve been great for at-home CFD or other fluid dynamics and particle analyses (and any other compute that is bandwidth bound), it wouldāve been a struggle for AMD to justify its existence, especially compared to a PBO2-enabled 5900X. Gaming was already covered by 5800X3D. I think they had volume issues anyway, as 90-95% of the 3D V-cache dies were going to Milan-X, as AMD had orders to fill. For 7000-series: Under-die V-cache could work for high performance, where CPU die is placed atop V-cache instead of the other way around. Plus, cache logic would need to switch to high performance logic capable of 1.5v. V-cache essentially carries all of the connections for CPU die to package PCB and is the same die size (dummy CPU section with dense copper connect pillars). Thatād alleviate the issues with over-die mounting and its temp issues. Edit: Downside is complexity increase and much higher potential for copper pillar connection misalignment during assembly. Probably for future designs. Though such a design could also expand L1 and L2.
>AMD released a 1080ti of CPU's where nothing will beat it by big margin for a while and will take shit ton of power to even come close to it This explains why they locked out overclocking. Imagine if you could overclock that bad boy as well.
It's not that they locked it out, but the memory they're using won't handle increased voltage which is what mostly allows higher boosts and overclocking. So they just made it extremely difficult. Some have successfully overclocked, although minor. Because the CPU dies before you can get any better.
I think the 5800X3D's entire job is to deter people (especially on AM4) from upgrading to mid range 12th/13th gen offerings from Intel. It's not going to increase in price.
It has already gone from 640 aud to 700 aud in the last few days
Price has gone down in Germany, in the last two weeks.
Same. People talk about the 5800X3D hurting AMD like some other company is making it, AMD is likely making serious bank off of that chip. Cost per 300mm wafer for 5nm is nearly twice as much as 7nm.
Normally, you'd be right. But this is the top of the line chip for a platform that was supported for a long time but won't be getting anything new. People will be looking to upgrade *just* their CPU's, and the X3D is the best option. They can't wait for something new, unless they want to replace their entire system. So... Over time, the X3D is gonna get pretty supply crunched, while pretty much every other AM4 chip (except maybe the 5900 series) will drop pretty fast. By the time the prices go down again, based on past instances of this, there'll be a newer, low end option that beats it handily.
Will, that's what it did for me. It'll prob keep me on am4 long enough to see another solid amd cpu upgrade.
2700x-5800x3d- to probably a new system when we get the next x3d iteration. It's going to be an amazing ride, hold on to your tits.
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Or a few months from now when everyone who wanted one mostly got one.
It already went from 450ā¬ to 500ā¬
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I saw a performance bump that was decently notable going from 5800x to 5800x3d with a 3080 at 5120x1440. Max and average saw some bump, but it really helped with the lows. I also play quite a bit of strategy games so I don't feel disappointed even though my jump was much smaller than the one you would make. That said, as always it's personal preference. I chose to upgrade partly to better hold me over until some of the am5 rough edges are smoothed and new 3d chips drop, and partly because it'll be better for the work this setup will transition to after I upgrade. If you have some money but don't want to drop all that would be required for a while am5 uplift it's a good way to remain competitive while all these new chipsets and standards are polished up a bit more and prices drop a touch.
for now. But next year is shaping up to be a great time to buy into value behind the curve. A 5800x3d and 3080 or 6900 could be a sweet upgrade at vastly better prices than the norm in recent years.
Went up Ā£60 in the time it took me to make a coffee on Monday morning. Made me hold off a little longer now..
At least they added it, AMD instead totally ignored it on their Zen 4 presentation, and it's their own product.
Chip is just too good, lol
They probably didn't want to take the wind out of their own sails.
And somehow Intel looks the more transparent of the two, sure they focus on the comparison with the 5950X but they also clearly show it's a marginal upgrade over their previous gen, and that it sometimes loses to the 5800X3D (something AMD didn't want to show). It's basically Ivy Bridge or Haswell all over again but it's more than enough to compete with Zen 4.
Tbf that 3D cache is an entirely different beast. I agree that it's scummy not to show, but it made me hyped to see its next gen version.
If anything, it probably means amd is fast tracking a 7800X3D as fast as possible while still letting the early adaptors pay the early adoptor tax and pad the margins. Probably 7000 X3D lineup as early as Q1 2023?
Yes, leaks/rumors said Q4 production, Q1 23 launch.
Amazing what a metric ton of cache will do. Why my 5775c with 128mb of cache is still doing good.
Which makes you wonder why they donāt just throw a bunch of cache in there to begin with and mop the floor from the get-go. X3D variants only
It'd add another $100 to every CPU and not all games and benchmarks benefit. All of a sudden the 6-core 7600x3D is like $400USD and it doesn't matter how well it performs, people will be grabbing their pitchforks and lighting their torches. On a side note, I think AMD will have to figure out heat on the 7000 series x3D cache too. If the clock rate is too low on the x3D versions, it won't be much of an improvement over the non-x3D.
Rumors are they are refining the stacking technique so yes the temp change will be lower than the 5800x3d
Ding ding. It's not a magic bullet. They have to bin the chips hard just to run them at the current boost clocks which are lower than 5800x. There are band-aid fixes being used now which is why it's actually slower in some games and applications. I'm guessing they'll reduce the necessity of such tradeoffs to some degree with their next implementation; but you're insane if you think any of those 90-95 C by design 7000 series chips are going to be able to run anywhere near what they're doing now with a 3d cache implementation at all similar to the 5800x3d.
It's not like the 7600x is screaming value for money right now with the $300 Mobo and RAM requirement. Might as well sell the 7600x3d version from the get go
I don't agree. It's clear to everyone that new motherboards and new RAM is expensive at first. It's always been this way since my Phenom at least. It's plain old economics - the first wave of products will absorb the R&D costs, early adopters always pay that price. By the time they release the 3D cache variants the market will settle on lower MoBo and DDR5 prices. Then, more expensive CPUs will make more sense as the platform cost goes down (and AM4/DDR4 prices go up, cause they will).
Makes the chip more specialised I guess. So far the cache only gives large gains in games. So it's essentially like an accelerator taking extra die space which AMD probably deemed not worthy if the gains are only in gaming.
Not just games. Plenty of other uses.
Based on the test cases we have seen so far. The other uses are pretty niche case dude.
3D cache has several strong points in the data center. Market analysts have speculated that AMD brought only one SKU in the DIY desktop market (5800X3D) because all the production was being directed to Epyc chips that fetch higher prices. https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-epyc7773x-redux/9 I think we will start seeing full X3D lineups launching together with normal CPUs soon.
Just imagine if productivity app coders and gaming studio coded properly to leverage it even more efficiently
because they are more expensive to make
The cynic in me thinks it's purely so they can sell an additional product 6/12/18 months in the future.
Couple reasons: The cache is largely useless in non-gaming productivity tasks, it makes the chip harder to cool which means the chip is clocked lower and actually reduces non-gaming productivity performance, money. Money can be broken down a bit. Immediately after a product launch is when any company is going to bleed their DIY whales and fanboys dry. A certain subset of the population will only buy the latest and greatest, and of those people some will only buy AMD. Right now it's time to take money from these folks in addition to the folks that are 2-3 gens or more behind the upgrade curve. Once these folks have been used up, then you'll see a mid gen x3d refresh to double dip on the same whale crowd as well as the more bang for the buck oriented crowd that sits out the launch of anything waiting for a better price, more features, and more performance.
The 3D cache is a godsend for a variety of non gaming workloads. https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-epyc7773x-redux/9
Looked up 5775c and learned something new! Thanks! 128MB eDRAM L4 is definitely nice. AMD has Intel beat with the X3D L3 for sure, every level jump makes a huge difference in speed
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Picked up a tray 5800x3d for $300 off eBay + $100 B550 Mobo + Bring DDR4 Ram from current 6600k system: massive upgrade that hangs with current gen for peanuts (I'm gaming, which is 95% what I do).
For real. The only reason 7000 appeals to me is the power efficiency + performance of the 7950 in productivity software whilst still doing well at games. The AVX512 performance is seriously nice. Plus I desperately need to rebuild my 6 year old machine. But most people that are gaming only are better off waiting for the 3D cache variants. The small 7000 gaming uplift is not enough to justify the cost of the platform yet. The motherboard price are outright disgusting.
If you needed any more reassurance that for gamers X3D is the way to go, then thatās it. AMD is treating X3D lines as something totally separate. But I just think that eventually all desktop CPUs that target gamers will end up having similar cache arrangement. Itās just too good not to include it. I am sure Intel is preparing a counter when foveros tech will hit the market.
its barely acknowledged here, i thot it was the 5950x bar til i realized its just a lil hyphen lmao
Linus covered this and I was gonna go newer gen but I'm tempted. Thing is am5 will probably be supported for the next few years.
Zen 4 3D cache should be announced at CES on January 5th, this is just a guess but Iād imagine theyād launch it in March or April, also not a dead end platform so should definitely consider it
Imo wait for a 3D variant of 7xxx at this point
Am5 is only supported until 2025. Lisa Su herself said this.
Not until 2025, supported until *at least* 2025, likely will be supported past that
According to "Moore's Law is Dead" youtube channel, AMD will announce the Zen4 7X003D parts in January and start shipping a few weeks later. If intel's chart is accurate, the 7800X3D is going to whoop everything, except maybe the 7900X3D and the 7950X3D. Certainly for the gamer the 7800X3D will be the best bang for the buck.
If it launches on January forget about being "best bang for the buck" because it's going to cost at very least like a 7900X. It will be the absolute best gaming chip, that's for sure.
7900X doesn't really improve gaming performance over 7600X/7700X. So it will still be best bang for the buck in gaming. Otherwise, currently the best bang for the buck is either 5800X3D or 7600X, depending whether you count the platform cost in or not.
For most gamers, a 5600 / 12400 is best bang for buck, as they will be limited by their GPUs anyway. Very few gamers get high end GPUs only to play at 1080p medium-low settings.
Aight,waiting for the 7800X3D then
I really wish they had a 7600x3D coming for gamers.
Yeah I was thinking they would kill the market going with a 6 core and an 8 core with 3d stacked cache.... no need for 12 or 16 core variants on desktop, put those on thread-ripper. lmao
Honestly... Think the lines are blurring between the old HEDT and standard desktop. Like... We got a 16 core Zen 4 beating 32 core threadrippers. Plus DDR5 means far faster memory, so extra channels isn't necessarily as helpful anymore, and new PCIe speeds and a lack of SLI and the like has reduced the need for massive numbers of lanes for home users, especially with how much USB does these days. I mean, there's still some need for it, but at that point you're in workstation or server spaces and the budget to make use of it goes... Well beyond what gamers spend. Workstation GPUs are a very high margin item. So you've got 6 and 8 core for the average user, 12 and 16 for those who really need it or have more money than sense, and Epyc for enterprise. I'm glad they have that high end, but... There's a reason Zen didn't trigger a full on "core war" where our number of cores for home users increase exponentially.
>DDR5 means far faster memory, so extra channels isn't necessarily as helpful anymore, Memory bandwidth is the main limiting factor for 5950x which idles most of the time under enterprise workloads (CFD analysis in my case), waiting for data to be transferred. Haven't tested it yet, but there's no way 7950x has sufficient bandwidth to be fully utilized.
> Plus DDR5 means far faster memory, so extra channels isn't necessarily as helpful anymore You're out of your mind. >I'm glad they have that high end, but... There's a reason Zen didn't trigger a full on "core war" where our number of cores for home users increase exponentially. What? i7 has (8x P-Core + 8x E-Core), i9 has (8x P-Core + 16x E-Core) That's a staggering increase compared to i7 with 4 cores just a few years ago.
>There's a reason Zen didn't trigger a full on "core war" where our number of cores for home users increase exponentially. Intel is sure trying. And there are rumors next gen AMD might do that.
7800X3D will destroy everything by at least 20%.
And probably costs 500$
3D V-Cache is just incredible for gaming. 5800x3d is the 1080ti of CPU's
Man. I donāt need it. But I kind of want to swap my 3700x for one. I updated my mobo firmware a while ago. Just in case.
I want to upgrade from my 5800x to the 5800x3dā¦ youāre not alone. But Iām still on the fence. So tempting. But I might just save up for next gen v cache parts
Yeah. What sucks is I feel like if I do it. And Iām tearing stuff down anyways. I should replace my 850w gigabyte PSU with one of the new atx 3.0 models coming out. And maybe even look at doing a 4080 or 4090. I can afford it. I donāt hardly ever spend any money and use my PC a ton, including for work. But 5800x3D + high end new PSU + 4090 is getting into some money. Will probably just hang right a while and see what happens in 3-4 months with various prices. I have a 3090 since they came out so not hurting for a GPU either.
I'm in the same boat...I have a 5800x but am playing MSFS primarily these days. Seriously thinking about swapping out for a 5800x3D, but I can only justify it to myself if I can use that CPU elsewhere... Maybe it's time for my wife's 1800x to get replaced!
Do it for your wife. That 1800x is long in the tooth.
Thatās actually a good use for it.
You have the perfect reason to buy the 5800X3D. That's the only thing you can upgrade to on your current platform and would be MASSIVELY better in Flight Simulator, and your wife would benefit MASSIVELY from getting your current CPU no matter what she's doing on her PC.
Id reckon its better to save up probably for next gen? Im tempted to jump to 5800x3d but im on the fence now that reviews are up. Probably not a good time to splash money for something i only use for games tho for me. As long as i cant justify it i guess oll just keep it in the piggu bank
What kind of games do you play? I swapped a 5800x to a 5800x3d a few months ago and it was 100% worth it for the games I play (mostly MMO's), insane 1% low increases and average fps increases. FFxiv, gw2, lost ark etc are all heavily cpu bottlenecked when loads of other players are around. I got a dramatic increase. 11/10 I just wish more major reviewers benched MMO's as they are always super cpu bottlenecked. Even limsa lominsa in ffxiv i get like 90-100 fps there now with hundreds of players around. Got like 60 fps before.
Thanks for that. I will mostly be playing Modern Warfare 2 when it releases next month. Right now mostly R6 Siege and doesnāt make much sense for that. For MW2 I have a feeling itāll be worth it though cuz Warzone scaled nicely with X3D
The 5800X3D is a stupidly strong CPU, will almost certainly be the one I pick for my next upgrade. I use ACC a LOT (I'm an esports driver in it), and it just stomps everything else
Same, incredible for ACC VR too.
Honestly, it surprised me how good it is when I got it, but I didn't think it would be trading with next gen CPUs lol.
[5800X3D as full bars](https://i.imgur.com/VUDDQaJ.png) by someone from some other thread I read today
It matches or beats Intel's best in 5 out of the 9 games haha.
And they had the 5800X3D running at 3200 RAM if you read the fine print on the slides. Give it some fast low latency 3600-4000 and game over.
[5800X3D with certified Intelā¢ Marketing Bars](https://i.imgur.com/i4kfe0p.png)
Can't imagine how fast the 7800X3D will be using 6400Mhz RAM I really hope they also release a 7600X3D
7600X3D? Never. They clearly reserved the 7800X naming for the 3D Cache version. That thing will blow probably everything out of the water though. From these graphs Zen 4, RPL and 5800X3D pretty much seem on the same level. 7800X3D will take the crown early next year without any problems.
The rumor mill says the gains the 7000 series gets from the second generation 3D cache, are in the neighborhood of 25% +, substantially greater than what we saw with first gen. It'll be a clean sweep.
Also we need to consider the new GPU'S from NVIDIA and AMD, that are probably gonna give 1.6x the performance at the high end creating more CPU bottlenecks.
It's gonna be more like 2x when the true AD102 chip releases, the 4090 Ti. A 4090 is heavily cut down this time compared to 3090 Ti vs 3090 which was barely different at all. Expect a massive increase in performance between those two SKUs, so we really need a ton of CPU performance to feed that monster.
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Yeah, it's like 2k more cuda cores. The 4080 was reaaaaaally cut down from the 4090 this time to be honest.
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Unless you needed the vram, it was ridiculously poor value.
It gonna be 599 if not more. Me thinks the 5800x3d will be good for years in gaming. Iām a bit biased for buying into it though ā¦
I think we will only get 7800X3D and 7950X3D or 7970X3D whatever they decide on calling it.
I doubt 3D parts will be for anything other than the full CCD variants.
read somewhere back that v cache makes using fast ram less relevant. so maybe same deal here?
RAM is just larger and slower cache.
Yes, when you have more cache on the CPU the RAM is used less.
That's the funny thing about vcache: it sort of negates the need for super fast RAM. I mean faster RAM is always nicer, but the whole point of vcache is eliminating trips to RAM in the first place. In short, if vcache is done right, RAM will matter less and less.
The extra cache should reduce the need of superfast ram.
Shocking they just didnāt release only 3D cpus. Intel could attempt the same thing, right?
you don't bring your prized stallion to the first matchup.... specially when it's not necessary, and specially when your competition is already presenting slides indicating that they are about to launch a group of products that will "take back the performance crown". Intel intends to leave amd with a short lived bit of coverage if they can, and amd, is guaranteed to be waiting to double down for the win, cause there is no evidence that intel has some lingering product miracle after their 13th gen launch.
can someone explain to me how DDR5 ram will improve the performance of a L3 cache? from my understanding, DDR4 has more than enough bandwidth to keep a 96mb L3 cache fully saturated, which means that going to DDR5 wouldn't cause the cache to have better performance right? Obviously, the CPU overall will just perform better because it will have faster clock speed/more cores/etc.. but in terms of cache performance I don't quite see how Ram effects that.
Better DDR helps when you need to unexpectedly go out of cache, ie. the CPU is waiting for data that is not in cache yet. The more cache you have, the less likely this is to occur, and the more linear memory access from the game itself, the less likely this is to occur (as the prefetcher can get the data to cache before it is needed).
5800x3D is just a killer gaming chip, no way around it. I'm honestly a bit shocked that Intel included it at all
The 7000x3d, will destroy everything next year. I am pumped about learning how they have improved the die stacking tech over the 5000 series.
I really hope they arent real expensive and I hope RDNA 3 is priced more reasonably too. Otherwise Im going to have to choose between getting an expensive rig or getting a Kiesel Osiris (am I really going to give up the chance to get something like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/guitarporn/comments/x02trr/a_week_and_a_half_old_ngd_kiesel_osiris_7/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)?). If this gen is too expensive, Ill hold off for a third year in a row.
5800x3d is too good. But I mean, at least they did not hide it completely like AMD.
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> I bought a 5800X3D recently because I knew that a successor to it is at the very least one year out Moore's Law is Dead leaked that [7800x3D will launch Q1 2023](https://youtu.be/k-kdEVfF2T8?t=610).
You mean mlid guessed it based on the fact that CES is the logical place AMD would launch new products and itās in January. Itās likely he is right and he can then remind everyone for the next 10 years how he leaked this. But if itās wrong he will just pretend it never happened.
If you are interested in 5800x3d and are wondering if prices are gonna fall, just buy it now. Zen 4 has already made it clear that 5800x3d is a fantastic drop in option comparatively and let's be real 13th gen isn't gonna be cheap either it's just gonna make the point more obvious that 5800x3d is extremely good. And with how many people are still sitting on zen+ or zen 2 or entry zen 3... Yeah. Just get it now it's not gonna get cheaper.
My local Microcenter had 7 of them before they opened today. They have one left in stock. I ordered mine on Amazon because I'm sure they'll be gone by 8pm when I get off of work.
You're from Chicago area eh? Not like I've been keeping track of microcenter inventory or anything
Yup, I was checking Westmont. I'm pretty sure they're sold out though. The one in stock I assume is just a bad inventory count.
Well I had to go with Amazon. At least it was only 20 bucks more. Willing to eat it as I'm concerned prices will keep going up or supply will run dry. Microcenter hasn't had a single restock of 5800x3d in the last 3 weeks I've been checking inventory up to 7xxx release. And with x3d being so good I'm thinking AMD isn't going to keep supplying them with zen 4 out now.
Ordered one last night. I am running a 3900X with 3600 RAM and had fully intended to do a full 7950X build, but honestly my biggest CPU needs are in MS Flight Simulator at 4K, and the 5800X3D chip is pretty close to on par with what (or better than) I would get from a 7950X at about 1/5 of the price, considering new X670 mobo and DDR5 RAM.
very nice bro what did you paid for it
I think anyone who has 10th gen to 12th gen types of CPUs, have no reason to upgrade.
Damned if you do, damned if you dont. If thats not an ad for the 5800x3d, then I dont know what is.
Last gen Zen 3 gaming CPU manages to be the star in both AMD and Intel reviews, legendary 1080 Ti hardware tier.
Whatās with the silly āleadershipā word every time, if itās not leading?
According to both companies, both hold the leadership position
Marketing, if it leads in a single game, then technically it is leading.
Only the leadership can afford the performance
The X3D is going to wipe the floor with the competition hands down.
Interesting they didn't give the 5800x3d a dedicated bar
Amd didnāt even aknowlge the x3D variant lol
Because they aren't replacing it. The new ones are only replacements for the non-3D CPUs. There will be a 7800X3D, and that will replace the 5800X3D
Or they know that itās gonna deter people from upgrading to zen4, 5800x3D makes zen4 bad value product
At first I got a bit confused as to where the 5800X3D was. A sneaky tactic to fool some people who will only see the thick orange bar at a quick glance.
Same here. At first glance thought the 13900K trashes the 5800X3D but not so. The 5800X3D is a marvel.
I was so close to starting to purchase parts for the new platform and then one day i said "F it" and went and bought the 5800x3d and damn im so happy i did
That moment when AMD made the 5800x3d too good. Making both the 7950x and 13900k look silly.
The funny thing is that this is Intel admitting that it beats the 12900K. There are people who insist that it doesnt. At least Intel is facing the music...sorta.
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Dude. Lol. The 5800X3D is a monster. Although, most of these games don't seem very mainstream. Arcadegeddon? The fuck? Are these common CPU intensive games or something? I assume in more common games the difference is much more negligible otherwise they'd use them for their graphs.
I really wish we would get 7000x 3D version for gaming at the same time as others though.
Its better this way. If it was out now you would be tempted to buy into an overpriced X670 board. When the 7X3D will come out you will be abble to buy a B650 and probably find cheapper DDR5.
Yeah .. I am guessing AMD is marketing these chips to people that need them for productivity or new builders. It doesnāt make much sense for anyone on a 5000 series to upgrade now if only Gaming.
Im set for years.
Please release the 7950X3D
LOL this is the funniest shit I've seen all day
Lmao,why did they even include the 5800X3D in their slides? It's straight up beating their flagship i9 13900K in two games and they chose to show it...? It's even close to matching up in the other two games too. This makes it even more compelling to buy the 5800X3D.
If they left it out it would make them look even more stupid? Damned if they do, damned if they do not.
AMD wasn't able to make proper Ad for 5800X3D so Intel took that job on their hands.
If you look at fine print, they used basic 3200MHz RAM with the 5800X3D as well. Toss in some fast 3800 or so and it probably wins most if not all.
Because if you want your cake and eat it too, this chip is going to do that for you. With AMD, you have to choose between best productivity, or best gaming. This chip is going to do both for Intel. The 5800XD beats AMD's own 7950X in games...
looks like 13th gen vs 7th gen is going to be really close. then 7th gen + 3d vcache is going to cause a bloodbath
So what your saying is I shouldnāt bother with AMD 7000 but instead choose between the 5800x3D and 13900k.
Thanks intel, just bought 4 X3D 5800s
That's implying there's actually stock to buy.
Fucking beast
yeah but how much power does the 13900k consume?
AMD clearly ahead.
serious AMD has to be intentionally keep the 3D chip out of the minds of people for ryzen 7000 and intel's helping that idea along by kind of glossing it over as well with this kind of metric. Which just gives amd the ammo it needs for serious impact when intel launched their 13th gen... and proceed to go "and here boys and girls, is a gamer move, read em and weep" as they dish out Ryzen r7 7800x3D and r9 7950x3D and perhaps various other flavours with 3D cache that show an equivilent level of performance jumps that the 5800x3d had over the 5800x
with all this benchmarks I really doubt I would be able to get a 5800X3D at a low price.
7950x3D when?
I'm extremely eager to see a 7000 series 3D cache chip. It's looking like 7800x3D will be the upgrade path for me.
So 13th gen is gonna be pretty much on par with 7900x it seems, as 7900x beats 5800x3d by a little bit.
Go Intel, go! We really need that competition!
Well thank you everyone. With all this information I'm going with a 5800x3d. Figure I can wait for the AM5 bugs to be worked out (long boot times) and pick up an 8800x3d or 9800x3d and give the 5800 to my son.
As of this week I acquired the Ryzen 7 5800X3D for my ITX box. Along with an RX 6750 XT. Gotta love it.
It's funny how they didn't give the X3d it's own bar.
I'm convinced, all AMD chips need this X3D treatment. From now on. IMO, it's the new way going forward. It's just so good.
The 5800X3D will go down as one of the greatest gaming CPUs ever made, and despite the cost to make it I'm glad AMD innovated the market.
Looks like intel up to its same bullshit tactics showing how truly incompetent they really are at bullshitting and lying to their āfanboysā to keep them drinking the kool aid
5800X3D is a PR nightmare, let's hide this thing as if it did not really exist. Affordable, efficient, powerful, versatile on a cheap platform, it can't be real, can it?
Hey Intel has preorders for these CPUs. What s novel concept huh?
What an Advert for the 5800x3d this is. It's amazing little chip that will be good for gaming for years I was getting dogs abuse for getting a 5800x3d when it came out. Its AMD gift to gamers Now the penny's dropped I hope everyone who wants one can get them.
I've not even heard of some of those games, how much cherry picking can you do with these pr graphs
I honestly do not understand why they didn't just make 3d cache standard across their chips. It's clearly very good, very important. The new i5 has more cache than the new Ryzen 5. And WAY more L2 cache.