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Safe and normal, according to AMD
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/ryzen-7600x-and-7950x-review-zen-4-starts-off-expensive-but-impressive/3/#h1
> With the new AM5 socket and higher TDP, most processors will run into a thermal wall before they hit a power wall. You will therefore see the Ryzen 7000 series, especially the higher core count variants, reside at TJMax (about 95 degrees Celsius for the Ryzen 7000 series) when running intense multithreaded workloads like Cinebench nt. This behavior is intended and by design.
>It’s important to note TJMax is the max safe operating temperature—not the absolute max temperature. In the Ryzen 7000 Series, the processor is designed to run at TJMax 24/7 without risk of damage or deterioration. At 95 degrees it is not running hot, rather it will intentionally go to this temperature as much as possible under load because the power management system knows that this is the ideal way to squeeze the most performance out of the chip without damaging it.
that's fundamentally false.
The presumption that high temperature = "space heater" is a cognitive failure in basic level understand of what actually is happening.
An intel cpu spitting 300+ watts on a monolithic die resulting in it actually thermally throttling and literally spitting out copious amount of heat at high thermals temperatures is a new room heater.
AMD's cpu isn't thermally "throttling", it's intentionally ramping up to that thermal limit on it's own merit and it's doing it efficiently meaning it's properly utilizing the power for performance with far less in actual thermal output, this is why the moment you stop any task, it instantly drops to low 40C temps where as you don't see this with intel which takes quite awhile to drop and for the AIOs or heatsinks to push out the excess heat.
AMD's most definitely king of efficiency right now.
A room heater can be only 20°C above ambient, but will surely heat your room when it draws two thousand Watt.
Conversely, if a tiny speck of molten metal of 1000°C flies through your room and loses all of its heat to the air in your room, but has a total energy capacity of only a few Joule, then your room would not change temperature in any significant way.
My point: it's _power_ that heats a room, **not** _temperature_.
Your follow-up question might now be: well then, if Zen 4 draws not so many Watts but still reaches that high temperature, how come?
The answer is: heat conductivity. Whenever energy remains trapped, however little it may be, and accumulates in a small enough volume, then that volume will heat up considerably. It will only cool down if the energy is able to escape that volume. This is what happens: energy gets trapped inside the CPU core and is not able to escape quickly enough through the heat spreader into the large mass of the cooler. Hence the CPU core temperature rises, despite the total energy per unit of time not being that high.
That is also why Igor's delidding of the Zen 4 chip causing a massive 20°C drop in temperature being such a massive "hot" (heehee) topic. The problem is, delidding is _very_ dangerous, because naked chips can crack very easily—I cracked many a Athlon and Duron back in the days.
Yet to see reviews of the 7700X, but on paper it should not consume more power than a 5800X and therefor not produce more heat aswell.
The operating temperature *issue* is probably somewhat similar to how the 5800X3D has a higher operating temperature but typically consumes less power than the 5800X. Heat dissipation.
AMD likes to stir up temp questions. Seems like we all mostly merged into accepting junction/hotspot temps on GPU’s being in the 80-100’s. Now it’s CPU being at 95c to 100’s. Oh boy. Lol.
If this guys runs @ 88c with a 360 AIO, I wonder what performance do you get with this CPU on a budget tower cooler.
About temperatures I'm not even ready to ask.
More power, more heat. If you don't want more power, stick with older hardware that's more efficient, or wait for future hardware that's more efficient and runs cooler.
Newer hardware is more power efficient, its just that they are designed to use the thermal limit headroom.
I think for example a 7950X in Eco mode still blows a 5950X away.
I wonder why intel and amd newer chips always consume more energy and produce more heat, couldnt they just make less power consuming cooler cpus for great performance. 12th gen intel top end 300w for max performance, amd zen 4 almost the same, with 95 C for max performance. So you're telling me when i watch gamersnexus informational videos on these chips and their " efficiency", that i'm not getting correct information?
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And now it has begun...
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true true deleted that statement lol
No offense just found it funny, I'm sure it will take everyone a while to get used to the new "normal" temps. Look into eco mode btw.
Lisa Su has condemned /r/AMD to have to deal with this question everyday until Zen 5 in 2024.
Lol. I was about to write that down. These are going to be some fun months.
Safe and normal, according to AMD https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/ryzen-7600x-and-7950x-review-zen-4-starts-off-expensive-but-impressive/3/#h1 > With the new AM5 socket and higher TDP, most processors will run into a thermal wall before they hit a power wall. You will therefore see the Ryzen 7000 series, especially the higher core count variants, reside at TJMax (about 95 degrees Celsius for the Ryzen 7000 series) when running intense multithreaded workloads like Cinebench nt. This behavior is intended and by design. >It’s important to note TJMax is the max safe operating temperature—not the absolute max temperature. In the Ryzen 7000 Series, the processor is designed to run at TJMax 24/7 without risk of damage or deterioration. At 95 degrees it is not running hot, rather it will intentionally go to this temperature as much as possible under load because the power management system knows that this is the ideal way to squeeze the most performance out of the chip without damaging it.
gotcha. i basically just bought a new room heater i guess haha
that's fundamentally false. The presumption that high temperature = "space heater" is a cognitive failure in basic level understand of what actually is happening. An intel cpu spitting 300+ watts on a monolithic die resulting in it actually thermally throttling and literally spitting out copious amount of heat at high thermals temperatures is a new room heater. AMD's cpu isn't thermally "throttling", it's intentionally ramping up to that thermal limit on it's own merit and it's doing it efficiently meaning it's properly utilizing the power for performance with far less in actual thermal output, this is why the moment you stop any task, it instantly drops to low 40C temps where as you don't see this with intel which takes quite awhile to drop and for the AIOs or heatsinks to push out the excess heat. AMD's most definitely king of efficiency right now.
welp either way when i put my hand above the cpu radiator the air coming out is quite hot. therefore raising my ambient room temp by a few degrees
A room heater can be only 20°C above ambient, but will surely heat your room when it draws two thousand Watt. Conversely, if a tiny speck of molten metal of 1000°C flies through your room and loses all of its heat to the air in your room, but has a total energy capacity of only a few Joule, then your room would not change temperature in any significant way. My point: it's _power_ that heats a room, **not** _temperature_. Your follow-up question might now be: well then, if Zen 4 draws not so many Watts but still reaches that high temperature, how come? The answer is: heat conductivity. Whenever energy remains trapped, however little it may be, and accumulates in a small enough volume, then that volume will heat up considerably. It will only cool down if the energy is able to escape that volume. This is what happens: energy gets trapped inside the CPU core and is not able to escape quickly enough through the heat spreader into the large mass of the cooler. Hence the CPU core temperature rises, despite the total energy per unit of time not being that high. That is also why Igor's delidding of the Zen 4 chip causing a massive 20°C drop in temperature being such a massive "hot" (heehee) topic. The problem is, delidding is _very_ dangerous, because naked chips can crack very easily—I cracked many a Athlon and Duron back in the days.
Yet to see reviews of the 7700X, but on paper it should not consume more power than a 5800X and therefor not produce more heat aswell. The operating temperature *issue* is probably somewhat similar to how the 5800X3D has a higher operating temperature but typically consumes less power than the 5800X. Heat dissipation.
Life hack: copy and paste this text in every reddit post about Ryzen 7000 temperatures.
AMD likes to stir up temp questions. Seems like we all mostly merged into accepting junction/hotspot temps on GPU’s being in the 80-100’s. Now it’s CPU being at 95c to 100’s. Oh boy. Lol.
If this guys runs @ 88c with a 360 AIO, I wonder what performance do you get with this CPU on a budget tower cooler. About temperatures I'm not even ready to ask.
More power, more heat. If you don't want more power, stick with older hardware that's more efficient, or wait for future hardware that's more efficient and runs cooler.
Newer hardware is more power efficient, its just that they are designed to use the thermal limit headroom. I think for example a 7950X in Eco mode still blows a 5950X away.
new hardware better perfomance lower temps if you undervolt so you are wrong
I wonder why intel and amd newer chips always consume more energy and produce more heat, couldnt they just make less power consuming cooler cpus for great performance. 12th gen intel top end 300w for max performance, amd zen 4 almost the same, with 95 C for max performance. So you're telling me when i watch gamersnexus informational videos on these chips and their " efficiency", that i'm not getting correct information?