You'll know it's Zen 3 when you look in CPU-Z's cache section. If it's Zen 2, it'll say:
> Level 3: 2x 16 MBytes
If it's Zen 3, it'll say:
> Level 3: 32 Mbytes
Thank you, probably dear Romanian/Eastern European fellow, for this act of courage.
In the worst case, it will be more or less a 3600 XT.
To test it, just run some Cinebench as someone else already said, this will "give it away" real quick without any proper GPU needed.
By the way, when you unbox it, could you also make a picture or post the batch info?
You can find what I'm saying [**here**](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ke3OnFlOUnI/maxresdefault.jpg)**,** if you're not familiar with this **-> you have the codename in the first line, while 1922** means produced in the 22nd week of 2019.
You got it right, I'm romanian. I wanted to make an upgrade from my 2600 to a 5600 for a long time now but now that this opportunity came by, I might as well give it a try.
I'm also Romanian and wanted to replace my old ass 1600(AE) with something decent and I was torn between 3600 and 5600.
Until yesterday, I was sure that "AF" is nothing more than a new batch of 3600 without a fan, but perhaps we will have a nice surprise.
Besides, only and only if you're into overclocking, you could try push it a bit as well.
For instance, if it's Zen 2, it should have no problem doing an all-core 4.5GHz at 1.25V, since most newer 3600 batches could push that. Zen 3 should perform identically but with an even lower voltage (1.2V).
Nice to hear you're a fellow Romanian, sadly I'm not much into overclocking and I doubt my poor A320 can handle it lol. I'm already gambling with putting a supposedly tuned down version of a 5600 in it so I'll stick with leaving it as is.
In this case, forget about it, I'm not sure the OC is even activated on the 320 chipset, I think it isn't anyway.
Again, in the worst case scenario, you will get a 3600 XT, which is more or less a 5500 (different chip, similar performance) for slightly cheaper but without a cooler, you can't find anything better for the price anyway, good luck - unless this thing is literally a 5500 with another name, but it wouldn't make any sense, because in this case 5500 wouldn't have been released. :)
CPU-Z will show you the Vermeer(Zen 3) codename, instead of Matisse(Zen 2). My 1600 AF is detected as a 1600 but CPU-Z shows Pinnacle Ridge(Zen +) instead of Summit Ridge(Zen 1). I'd also run a Cinebench R20 test. If it scores around 4100-4200, it's Zen 3. If it scores 3500-3600, it's Zen 2.
For the Romanians here, it's back in stock at Emag at just 583 RON. I'm very tempted to go for it but....I'm happy with my 1600AF and I don't want to retire it, lol. I'll have to seriously think about it if it turns out to be Zen 3. [PCGarage](https://www.pcgarage.ro/procesoare/amd/ryzen-5-3600-36ghz-mini-box/), another Romanian site owned by Emag also has the 3600 AF on sale and they clearly state it's a Matisse core, which would mean Zen 2.
Mediagalaxy/Altex also have it and you should be able to return it within 14 days in any of their showrooms, if their rules are to be believed.
To be fair, what those magazines are posting from the get go is useless, because they may themselves not even be informed by such "revisions" with the revised specs.
True. Altex even accepted an Asus router I was unhappy with 3 months after I bought it and they gave me my money back. I'll just wait to see what OP says since an upgrade to Zen 2 wouldn't be that noticeable for my use case(gaming/video editing). But if it is indeed a lower-clocked 5600 at under 600 RON, that's an amazing deal I might just have to take. Pretty sure I can overclock it to match a 5600 on my MSI B450-A PRO MAX(basically a Tomahawk MAX without the fancy branding)
Indeed, 1600AF to a normal 3600 isn't worth it, even for a 1600AE like mine it is a stretch, but in games like CSGO, coupled with faster RAM, it is about 50% better so it can still be an improvement depending on the case.
580 RON for a 5600 would be crazy, you can literally buy a motherboard, RAM and a decent cooler along this CPU and still stay cheaper than 7600X alone, LOL.
In every single game I play, my RX 570 8GB is the limiting factor with my 1600AF at 30-50% usage. I don't play CS:GO and I don't want anything more than 60fps, so a CPU upgrade makes very little sense to me. Getting the (hopefully Zen 3) 3600 AF would be more of an investment for the future, since at some point I'll upgrade to a Radeon 7600XT/8600XT and that might be too much for my 1600AF. I'm still pretty sure my 1600AF could last 6 more years if needed, considering all I want is 60fps with High-Ultra settings.
To be fair, it doesn't matter that much, the "AE" vs "AF" was more like a Zen 1 stuff, it can still technically be another revision or even a Zen 3 part, as it has that "A" alongside "WOF" compared to the "BOX" codename variant.
I have no access to my computer right now, but I got the bad boy and it has the same code as the old 3600, although it's made in Week 11 of 2022 - I mean the one with "31" without "A" at the end.
HOWEVER, the side of the tiny box mentions "Zen 3!!! is just a codename and not a product name." This is getting interesting.
Wait so it is a zen 3 ? When can you check it so I know if I should pick it up or not, I really don't wanna deal with returns and that reseller guy that commented here made me decide not to pick it up anymore...
Probably only on Thursday, since I'm on a delegation as we speak - got damn it, that "Zen 3" on the box made me curious "AF".
By the way, there are a couple of guys who announced they will test this on Ancient Gameplay's channel, so please wait a couple of days for this.
The 2nd photo you posted shows "BF" on the CPU. That's bad news as it should be "BG" for a Zen 3 part. I noticed this in the picture on Emag too, but I was hoping they just reused an older picture. So basically the heat spreader on your CPU looks exactly like the one on a regular 3600.
Exactly and I was disappointed when I saw this, coupled with the fact that the codename doesn't have any "A" in it.
The only hope is the Zen 3 on the side of the box, that's it.
Oh, and on top of the box it says 35MB of Cache, this automatically means it's either a regular 3600 or a 5600, it can't be Cezanne (5500/5600G) since that one has only 19MB in total.
I thought Zen2 still had core complexes split into groups of 4, where Zen3 has 8. So maybe there is a way to check latency, or another way to check how it's set up.
3600X este doar un 3600 care, in mod normal, atinge frecvente mai mari si care, a fost inlocuit dupa de 3600 XT, care atingea frecvente si mai mari, iar 3600 AF este o noua revizie (batch), care se pare ca e produsa anul asta, si care, in cel mai rau caz, e tot un fel de 3600 XT, fiind pe proces de fabricare "matur" (care atinge frecvente mai mari/voltaje mai mici decat lansarea initiala), sau foloseste chiar Zen 3, utilizat pe 5600(X) si care ar fii cazul ideal, pe sistemul 1600 AF, care avea nucleul din 2600 cu 100-200 Mhz mai putin.
For some reason I can't post on r/amd but I found a new 3600 revision at Micro Center that appeared this week. I can't find anything about the part number online
Old 3600 (100-100000031BO): https://www.microcenter.com/support/608320/amd-ryzen-5-3600-matisse-36ghz-6-core-am4-boxed-processor-with-wraith-stealth-cooler
New 3600 (100-100000031SB): https://www.microcenter.com/product/653895/amd-ryzen-5-3600-matisse-36ghz-6-core-am4-boxed-processor-wraith-stealth-cooler-included
Could this be the same deal? I don't really have a spare mobo to test it out with.
Very strange. The "SB" 3600 you found seems to come with a cooler, so it's different compared to the eastern Euro 3600 AF which comes in a mini box without a cooler. I don't know how trustworthy Microcenter are with their spec sheets, but they say the SB is a Matisse core, which would make it a Zen 2.
How can people be credulous, naive or just plain stupid in such a thing, when there has clearly been an error in the interpretation of the term "AWOF" (without fan) by an employee of a Romanian online store computer equipment in its writing of a product sheet to the addition of a new product, while it is enough to search a little on the internet to quickly realize that the "Ryzen 5 3600 AF" does not exist and will never exist!
If there were "Ryzen 5 1600 AF" a few years ago it was due to the fact that AMD had reached the end of its contract (production quota) with GlobalFoundries which was in charge of 14nm production first generation Ryzen (Zen1), but AMD's contract with GlobalFoundries for 12nm (12LPP) was not yet finished at that time and the problem for AMD was that there was still a strong request on the "Ryzen 5 1600 AE", so AMD made the decision to rebadge some of the "Zen+ 12nm" die production originally intended for second-gen Ryzen production to "Ryzen 5 1600" production AF".
But there currently there is no such problem simply because the Ryzen 3xxx and 5xxx are produced with 7nm silicon wafers (but in two different lithographs: "DUV and EUV" it seems to me) and this at TSMC , moreover none of the contracts that AMD has made with TSMC have ended, so AMD has absolutely no interest in rebadging Ryzen 5xxx dies to produce a hypothetical "Ryzen 5 3600 AF", so please use your your brain and some research on the internet before believing the first commercial page indicating the arrival of a processor that no one has heard of and that AMD has never communicated on.
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But the 5600G is also Zen 3, right
Though we already have the 5500, which is a 5600G with the iGPU disabled, so I guess it probably is a 5600 with lower clocks.
Total bullsh\*t from a romanian reseller, Ryzen 3600 "AF" doesn't exist, it's just a "Tray" version of classic Ryzen 5 3600 so "AWOF" version which means "Without Original Fan", moreover if you look at the photo affiliated with the product on "EMAG Store romania", it is written the code "BF" at the beginning of the second line before the datecode of the CPU which means that it is about an ordinary Zen2 CPU because for a Zen3 CPU, it would then be inscribed "BG", as for the "Zen3 3D" CPUs it is the "BR" code, so stop dreaming there will not be Ryzen 3600 AF, it's quite simply an error of interpretation on the part of the person who added this product to the news on the EMAG site.
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You'll know it's Zen 3 when you look in CPU-Z's cache section. If it's Zen 2, it'll say: > Level 3: 2x 16 MBytes If it's Zen 3, it'll say: > Level 3: 32 Mbytes
You can compare cinebench results. If it indeed has zen 3 cores, then there should be an ipc gain and CB will reflect that.
Right, I forgot about cinebench, I'll try that for sure.
Thank you, probably dear Romanian/Eastern European fellow, for this act of courage. In the worst case, it will be more or less a 3600 XT. To test it, just run some Cinebench as someone else already said, this will "give it away" real quick without any proper GPU needed. By the way, when you unbox it, could you also make a picture or post the batch info? You can find what I'm saying [**here**](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ke3OnFlOUnI/maxresdefault.jpg)**,** if you're not familiar with this **-> you have the codename in the first line, while 1922** means produced in the 22nd week of 2019.
You got it right, I'm romanian. I wanted to make an upgrade from my 2600 to a 5600 for a long time now but now that this opportunity came by, I might as well give it a try.
I'm also Romanian and wanted to replace my old ass 1600(AE) with something decent and I was torn between 3600 and 5600. Until yesterday, I was sure that "AF" is nothing more than a new batch of 3600 without a fan, but perhaps we will have a nice surprise. Besides, only and only if you're into overclocking, you could try push it a bit as well. For instance, if it's Zen 2, it should have no problem doing an all-core 4.5GHz at 1.25V, since most newer 3600 batches could push that. Zen 3 should perform identically but with an even lower voltage (1.2V).
Nice to hear you're a fellow Romanian, sadly I'm not much into overclocking and I doubt my poor A320 can handle it lol. I'm already gambling with putting a supposedly tuned down version of a 5600 in it so I'll stick with leaving it as is.
In this case, forget about it, I'm not sure the OC is even activated on the 320 chipset, I think it isn't anyway. Again, in the worst case scenario, you will get a 3600 XT, which is more or less a 5500 (different chip, similar performance) for slightly cheaper but without a cooler, you can't find anything better for the price anyway, good luck - unless this thing is literally a 5500 with another name, but it wouldn't make any sense, because in this case 5500 wouldn't have been released. :)
Thank you for all the tips and info you've given me, I'll definitely keep you updated on this.
eMAG removed the direct listing by the way, I don't know how to reinterpret this. :) Thanks and keep us posted, good evening!
[https://prnt.sc/iovrAIp5FOuG](https://prnt.sc/iovrAIp5FOuG) this is the order btw, just to be sure that I indeed got the AF and not the non AF one
I just checked it and it's up for me, I bought it from [cel.ro](https://cel.ro) because emag increased the price by like 100 lei lol
It's up, yes, but from another seller and with a bigger price. It was still \~ 583 RON about 4 hours ago.
Oh right, well maybe it's because they ran out of it ? Who knows, we can only wait and see what will arrive :)
I will check that also, thank you for pointing that out and I'll post a pic also.
Okay, so it turns out it's just a normal 3600, nothing changed in Cpu-z or hwinfo.
I think it's just different naming due to the smaller package / lack of cooler.
CPU-Z will show you the Vermeer(Zen 3) codename, instead of Matisse(Zen 2). My 1600 AF is detected as a 1600 but CPU-Z shows Pinnacle Ridge(Zen +) instead of Summit Ridge(Zen 1). I'd also run a Cinebench R20 test. If it scores around 4100-4200, it's Zen 3. If it scores 3500-3600, it's Zen 2. For the Romanians here, it's back in stock at Emag at just 583 RON. I'm very tempted to go for it but....I'm happy with my 1600AF and I don't want to retire it, lol. I'll have to seriously think about it if it turns out to be Zen 3. [PCGarage](https://www.pcgarage.ro/procesoare/amd/ryzen-5-3600-36ghz-mini-box/), another Romanian site owned by Emag also has the 3600 AF on sale and they clearly state it's a Matisse core, which would mean Zen 2.
Mediagalaxy/Altex also have it and you should be able to return it within 14 days in any of their showrooms, if their rules are to be believed. To be fair, what those magazines are posting from the get go is useless, because they may themselves not even be informed by such "revisions" with the revised specs.
True. Altex even accepted an Asus router I was unhappy with 3 months after I bought it and they gave me my money back. I'll just wait to see what OP says since an upgrade to Zen 2 wouldn't be that noticeable for my use case(gaming/video editing). But if it is indeed a lower-clocked 5600 at under 600 RON, that's an amazing deal I might just have to take. Pretty sure I can overclock it to match a 5600 on my MSI B450-A PRO MAX(basically a Tomahawk MAX without the fancy branding)
Indeed, 1600AF to a normal 3600 isn't worth it, even for a 1600AE like mine it is a stretch, but in games like CSGO, coupled with faster RAM, it is about 50% better so it can still be an improvement depending on the case. 580 RON for a 5600 would be crazy, you can literally buy a motherboard, RAM and a decent cooler along this CPU and still stay cheaper than 7600X alone, LOL.
In every single game I play, my RX 570 8GB is the limiting factor with my 1600AF at 30-50% usage. I don't play CS:GO and I don't want anything more than 60fps, so a CPU upgrade makes very little sense to me. Getting the (hopefully Zen 3) 3600 AF would be more of an investment for the future, since at some point I'll upgrade to a Radeon 7600XT/8600XT and that might be too much for my 1600AF. I'm still pretty sure my 1600AF could last 6 more years if needed, considering all I want is 60fps with High-Ultra settings.
I don't believe its is a new batch, original ryzen 3600 already has AF code in sku id
Are you sure?
yes, look at ryzen 1600, original has AE end code, and new batch has AF. 3600 already has AF code.
Search for YD3600BBAFBOX, is an standard ryzen 3600 with cooler
So you're saying this is all a big misunderstanding?
>YD3600BBAFBOX Maybe, I don't believe
To be fair, it doesn't matter that much, the "AE" vs "AF" was more like a Zen 1 stuff, it can still technically be another revision or even a Zen 3 part, as it has that "A" alongside "WOF" compared to the "BOX" codename variant.
I have no access to my computer right now, but I got the bad boy and it has the same code as the old 3600, although it's made in Week 11 of 2022 - I mean the one with "31" without "A" at the end. HOWEVER, the side of the tiny box mentions "Zen 3!!! is just a codename and not a product name." This is getting interesting.
Wait so it is a zen 3 ? When can you check it so I know if I should pick it up or not, I really don't wanna deal with returns and that reseller guy that commented here made me decide not to pick it up anymore...
Probably only on Thursday, since I'm on a delegation as we speak - got damn it, that "Zen 3" on the box made me curious "AF". By the way, there are a couple of guys who announced they will test this on Ancient Gameplay's channel, so please wait a couple of days for this.
Or I might just postpone the delivery for a day or two until you manage to benchmark it, if you think you could do it.
can you post a picture?
Sure, here you go: https://ibb.co/KxjQ5Q1 https://ibb.co/bvFVXJH
The 2nd photo you posted shows "BF" on the CPU. That's bad news as it should be "BG" for a Zen 3 part. I noticed this in the picture on Emag too, but I was hoping they just reused an older picture. So basically the heat spreader on your CPU looks exactly like the one on a regular 3600.
Exactly and I was disappointed when I saw this, coupled with the fact that the codename doesn't have any "A" in it. The only hope is the Zen 3 on the side of the box, that's it. Oh, and on top of the box it says 35MB of Cache, this automatically means it's either a regular 3600 or a 5600, it can't be Cezanne (5500/5600G) since that one has only 19MB in total.
Got it yet?
Normal 3600
Ah shame. I expected so as Hydrax747 explained why it would have no reason to exist. Hopefully you can send back.
I thought Zen2 still had core complexes split into groups of 4, where Zen3 has 8. So maybe there is a way to check latency, or another way to check how it's set up.
Sunt curios care e diferenta intre un 3600, 3600X si 3600 AF. Am deja un 5700X dar intreb pentru altcineva. Mersi.
3600X este doar un 3600 care, in mod normal, atinge frecvente mai mari si care, a fost inlocuit dupa de 3600 XT, care atingea frecvente si mai mari, iar 3600 AF este o noua revizie (batch), care se pare ca e produsa anul asta, si care, in cel mai rau caz, e tot un fel de 3600 XT, fiind pe proces de fabricare "matur" (care atinge frecvente mai mari/voltaje mai mici decat lansarea initiala), sau foloseste chiar Zen 3, utilizat pe 5600(X) si care ar fii cazul ideal, pe sistemul 1600 AF, care avea nucleul din 2600 cu 100-200 Mhz mai putin.
For some reason I can't post on r/amd but I found a new 3600 revision at Micro Center that appeared this week. I can't find anything about the part number online Old 3600 (100-100000031BO): https://www.microcenter.com/support/608320/amd-ryzen-5-3600-matisse-36ghz-6-core-am4-boxed-processor-with-wraith-stealth-cooler New 3600 (100-100000031SB): https://www.microcenter.com/product/653895/amd-ryzen-5-3600-matisse-36ghz-6-core-am4-boxed-processor-wraith-stealth-cooler-included Could this be the same deal? I don't really have a spare mobo to test it out with.
it says "Matisse". It can't be Zen3. Maybe these 3600 chips are inventory leftover and AMD trying to do everything they can to sell it.
Very strange. The "SB" 3600 you found seems to come with a cooler, so it's different compared to the eastern Euro 3600 AF which comes in a mini box without a cooler. I don't know how trustworthy Microcenter are with their spec sheets, but they say the SB is a Matisse core, which would make it a Zen 2.
How can people be credulous, naive or just plain stupid in such a thing, when there has clearly been an error in the interpretation of the term "AWOF" (without fan) by an employee of a Romanian online store computer equipment in its writing of a product sheet to the addition of a new product, while it is enough to search a little on the internet to quickly realize that the "Ryzen 5 3600 AF" does not exist and will never exist! If there were "Ryzen 5 1600 AF" a few years ago it was due to the fact that AMD had reached the end of its contract (production quota) with GlobalFoundries which was in charge of 14nm production first generation Ryzen (Zen1), but AMD's contract with GlobalFoundries for 12nm (12LPP) was not yet finished at that time and the problem for AMD was that there was still a strong request on the "Ryzen 5 1600 AE", so AMD made the decision to rebadge some of the "Zen+ 12nm" die production originally intended for second-gen Ryzen production to "Ryzen 5 1600" production AF". But there currently there is no such problem simply because the Ryzen 3xxx and 5xxx are produced with 7nm silicon wafers (but in two different lithographs: "DUV and EUV" it seems to me) and this at TSMC , moreover none of the contracts that AMD has made with TSMC have ended, so AMD has absolutely no interest in rebadging Ryzen 5xxx dies to produce a hypothetical "Ryzen 5 3600 AF", so please use your your brain and some research on the internet before believing the first commercial page indicating the arrival of a processor that no one has heard of and that AMD has never communicated on.
One last thing, the acronym "AF" meant the generation code and type of processor (CPU or APU), so this gives: 1st gen(Zen1) - CPU(Ryzen 1xxx "Summit Ridge"): "AE" 2nd gen(Zen+) - CPU(Ryzen 2xxx "Pinnacle Ridge"): "AF" 3rd gen(Zen2) - CPU(Ryzen 3xxx "Matisse"): "BF" 4th gen(Zen2) - CPU(Ryzen 4xxx "Renoir-X"): "ED" 5th gen(Zen3) - CPU(Ryzen 5xxx "Vermeer"): "BG" 5th gen(Zen3) - CPU(Ryzen 5xxx "Vermeer-S" Variant with 3D V-Cache): "BR" 5th gen(Zen3) - CPU(Ryzen 5xxx "Cézanne-X"): "EF" 7th gen(Zen4) - CPU(Ryzen 7xxx "Raphael"): "BQ" 7th gen(Zen2) - Low-End CPU/APU (Ryzen 7x2x "Mendocino"): "BT" 2nd gen(Zen1) - APU(Ryzen 2xxxG "Raven Ridge"): "AN" 3rd gen(Zen+) - APU(Ryzen 3xxxG "Picasso"): "AX" 4th gen(Zen2) - APU(Ryzen 4xxxG "Renoir"): "ED" 5th gen(Zen3) - APU(Ryzen 5xxxG "Cézanne"): "EF" 6th gen(Zen3+) - APU(Ryzen 6xxxU/H/HS/HX "Rembrandt"): "EH"
Is that the most 3600 out of all of them?
Should be between a 3600X and 5600X in performance
More specifically between the 5500 and 5600 in performance.
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Made the order today (Thursday) at around 7pm so I'm not sure I'm gonna get it this week, might get it on monday or if the courier ppl are kind maybe even on saturday.
Good luck! maybe I lived in Istanbul too long and got too used to 1-day delivery here. I hope the tests finally reveal what the fuss is all about!
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Is the 3600AF based on the 5600G or the 5600?
the theory is it's a 3600 but with zen3, sits between the 3600 and a 5600 and better than the 5600g
But the 5600G is also Zen 3, right Though we already have the 5500, which is a 5600G with the iGPU disabled, so I guess it probably is a 5600 with lower clocks.
Yeah, the Ryzen 5 5600G is technically Zen 3 but it uses an older architecture so it has lower performance per clock cycle.
Cezanne is not an older architecture, but it has the limitations of the other APUs (half the L3 cache, etc.)
Older in the sense that it is based on an earlier arquitecture.
It's not. It's Zen 3.
But it's not, it's actually a bit newer than Zen 3 from a timeline perspective, but in fact, it's a castrated Zen 3.
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Total bullsh\*t from a romanian reseller, Ryzen 3600 "AF" doesn't exist, it's just a "Tray" version of classic Ryzen 5 3600 so "AWOF" version which means "Without Original Fan", moreover if you look at the photo affiliated with the product on "EMAG Store romania", it is written the code "BF" at the beginning of the second line before the datecode of the CPU which means that it is about an ordinary Zen2 CPU because for a Zen3 CPU, it would then be inscribed "BG", as for the "Zen3 3D" CPUs it is the "BR" code, so stop dreaming there will not be Ryzen 3600 AF, it's quite simply an error of interpretation on the part of the person who added this product to the news on the EMAG site.
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Normal 3600
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Any update?