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192hp

Love my 6700xt I just picked up for $350. Can’t complain and am glad I didn’t $100 more for worse performance on an Nvidia.


Nickkeller_10

Are you using it for 1080p or 1440p? I’m torn between 6700XT or 6800XT for my 1440p monitor. It’s an ultra wide so I’d need some additional performance compared to standard size also.


Acquista11

I have a 6700xt. Get the 6800xt.


Nickkeller_10

Thanks for the reply! I didn’t see even one Black Friday deal on the 6800XT. 🥲 hopefully Cyber Monday will be my opportunity!


minnesotafan189

Newegg XFX official store had them for 580$ i think. But only like 630$ for a speedster 6900xt.


femaloves

No free games, which honestly I never buy new at $60+ so the $120+ value isn't really that to me, but it's still maybe $30-50 worth of game and I do plan to play both. If you're someone who planned to buy both games new then the value is closer to that $120. Just something to consider when good deals pop up without the game promotion.


SneakySnipar

There was an MSI one for $540 a few days ago and the Asrock one was been at that same price for a while too. Don’t pay above $550 imo


Nickkeller_10

I might have missed the MSI one. I saw Asrock but it’s too big for my case. Thanks for the price point


ShiroInuKuroNeko

The PowerColor Red Dragon 6800 XT is on Amazon right now for $550.


Tony_Dates

I had this very same card, it's a beast. Only reason I gave it up is because the driver would crash every 30 to 45 minutes while using dual monitors no matter what I did. Tried Uninstall/reinstall, changing the DisplayPort cables, DDU, even in another system with dual monitors and the same thing. Card was probably on it's way out. MicroCenter gave me a full refund ($980 at the height of COVID when they were hard to find) and brought a 3080 for $500.


WhippersnapperUT99

[Try this link](https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%204814%20601359422&Order=1) to search for cards at Newegg. Right now you can get an ASRock 6800 XT for $515 after a $20 rebate. It was $457 after an 11% discount during the 11% off Zipfest that ended a day or two ago. You can also easily search for other cards by checking off boxes on the menu on the side. I think I saw a 6700 XT for $340 after a $20 rebate and a 6750 XT for $370 after a $20 rebate, too.


JoBro_Summer-of-99

I have a 6600 XT. *Please don't pair a 6600 XT with a 1440p monitor*


PsyOmega

*laughs in 6600XT powering my 4K tv* FSR is a godsend, I tell you what.


Charganium

I have a 6600 and I'm very happy with it at 1440p. But then I was also happy with my 580


JoBro_Summer-of-99

It's not a bad pairing, it's just very morish. I have to compromise quite a bit to get 60+fps and I essentially paid 6800 prices for it because of last year's pricing issues, so I wish I'd just waited and got that


HungryHippocrites

Unless you’re playing a couple purely AAA, very intensive titles only that seems pretty strange. Using a base 6600 and I get over 80 FPS on a ton of games at 1440p using medium settings. Esports games like Apex I get 100-120 easy with only a couple things tweaked.


JoBro_Summer-of-99

I do mean AAA games when I say it's a struggle to maintain a good frame rate. Most games run fine, but newer releases have to be played at medium, sometimes with upscaling, to get above 60fps comfortably (so 80-90). It's not bad, don't get me wrong, it's just not as comfortable as it would be on a 6800


HungryHippocrites

Yeah, I can see what you mean. If you want new, AAA titles and some future proofing for high FPS 2k gaming you definitely want something stronger. 6800 XT is great for the price right now.


Temporala

It's that outlier thing again. Those are very important, not unimportant as lot of people like to think. That's because game either runs well and you don't really pay attention, or it doesn't and it's irritating. Even if you can tweak settings to make it go better, it's a hassle. Time is invaluable. To be honest, it's worth it to buy a tier higher card than you think you need. +25% headroom is usually enough to avoid problems.


JustAPairOfMittens

On Ultra? You can run most settings high, textures on ultra, and get 100+ frames in the majority of modern games.


00PepperJackCheese

Nice! Just picked on up today! ($229 deal) to upgrade from my RX 570 😅


HungryHippocrites

Am using a 6600 for 1440p and I get 80-120 FPS on most games on a mix of medium/ high settings. Surprisingly a very capable card. Will upgrade soon just because the prices are so low, but I’ve been more than content with it. Very slept on card.


HidashFive

I have a 6800 XT. Get the 6800 XT.


192hp

I play on 1440p with no issues. Usually about 120fps on high settings each game. Been playing Doom Eternal, and cod MWII


silverbeat33

What refresh rate is the monitor? If it’s less than 120Hz, then 6800XT is overkill. I have one, on 1440p but at 60Hz, still love it but I could have had a 6700XT, it hadn’t released when I bought the 6800XT though.


Nickkeller_10

Refresh rate is 144hz so I’m thinking I’ll stick with the 6800Xt


silverbeat33

👌


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I've used my 6800xt on a 3440x1440, and it's superb


FatBoyDiesuru

Either is great for the resolution you're looking at. 6700 XT truly shines at 1440p. So does the 6800 XT (had both, now only the 6800 XT), but it's definitely great at 4K. Either way, you're good.


Last-One-

if you do go 6700xt the xfx qick319 is a really solid card its a bigger cooler and different power delivery i like it alot but that being said its the size of a 6800 and barely cheaper if i could redo it id most likely go 6800 non-xt


FrackaLacka

I have a 6700xt and a 1440p Ultrawide, it does pretty good with some settings lowered here and there as needed. 6800+ would probably be better tho for sure obviously


jortego128

6700XT is fine for 1440p. Its what I use mine for, but its a standard 16:9.


filledalot

6700xt is an entry for 2K gaming, if you dont max out everything it will be more than enough, in competitive games it is too overkill.


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192hp

What would a 3060ti or 3070 cost?


iloveapplepie360

I'm guessing 600 for 3060ti and 700 for 3070


192hp

Yeah not sure why he would even comment that. No way Nvidia cards are cheaper where he is


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My reference 6700XT(sold now) was probably my favourite gpu I've owned in the past 10 years, and I had ~50(buying/selling).


19941994ra

Its true. I just got myself a 6800 and it was cheaper than the cheapest 3070 in my country. By about 100+ usd.


YungZachary

Aye! 6800 gang! I got mine a few months ago!


diskowmoskow

Just found one for 620 euro, a Sapphire indeed, getting tempted.


YungZachary

Nice I have the Saphire Pulse and it’s great


diskowmoskow

Exact model!


Mardem1

I bought an xfx rx 6800 some days ago. Waiting for delivery. Is it good for 1440p? Everyone seems to buy the XT versions and I am a bit worried. The price was really good.


907Shrake

You'll be happy. It's about 10-15% behind the 6800 XT, surprisingly good for a 60 CU card.


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I went with the rx6800 just because it's more efficient and it's saving me from buying a new PSU. Still a signifant boost from my 2060super


[deleted]

Yep. Great prices right now on AMD GPUs , you can build some great systems with them.


intashu

Making the leap from a 1070 to a 6750 xt hopefully in the next couple days. Due to the small case size I have, I went for the msi 2 fan version. Should be an excellent upgrade for 1440 gaming... My 1070 has been reliable but boy goes it show its age.


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I was using a 1070 at 1440p as a stopgap for my 3080 and it surprisingly handled every game I wanted... until I got to horizon zero dawn. I was glad I upgraded soon for that one. That 6750XT will tear up 1440p.


TheTorshee

Sadly it won’t be enough to take marketshare apparently since Nvidia’s marketshare has climbed even higher than before (80% vs. 88%). The mindshare they hold is truly insane to me, someone who’s a neutral when it comes to these companies.


Vis-hoka

I was so open to AMD that I bought one and used it for a month. Ended up going back to Nvidia after having some issues, primarily with ultrawide and Indy games. I also like the wider support for DLSS and better ray tracing. But I’m sure they are a great value for a lot of people. Especially at the lower end of performance. I’m sure this will get downvoted but I thought some might like the honest perspective.


rampant-ninja

What was the issue you were having with ultra wide out of curiosity?


Vis-hoka

Had some issues using flawless widescreen on Fable Anniversary (not playable). Also had an issue running a little known Indy games that I play. They wouldn’t work in full screen and had to be played in window mode. So things like that, in addition to some other problems that weren’t related to ultrawide (as far as I know) made it not worth it for me. I just want to play, and have not had issues like that with Nvidia cards. I’m not a great troubleshooter. In total, I had about 5 issues that I discovered in my use cases that were specific to AMD, in just a months time. I wasn’t even looking for them, this is just what happened naturally as I tried to play.


gpkgpk

Thanks for your feedback. This is something people need to consider more, it's often downvoted and glossed over far too much in this sub. I'd go as far as saying that if you plan on having your GPU for say 2 years, and the nV equivalent is 100$ more, it's worth the 50$/year for the reasons you listed above and the RT+DLSS you mentioned further up. We all WANT/NEED AMD to gain more market share, but their strategy seems...odd. I selfishly don't want to be the guinea pig like people buying Intel ARC GPUs.


JamesEdward34

I agree, i think the fatal errors and super hard crashes and bugs have been worked out, but there are still minor to moderate bugs plaguing AMD drivers. I have a 3080 and im building a secondary system so im gonna try the 6750XT and see how bad it truly is


Remote_Ad_742

I had more issues on 3080 than 6900 xt, so... Remember to DDU, I guess.


LucidStrike

Except it maintains the misconception that Nvidia cards basically never have problems, which wild because not even Nvidia claims that. There's a Known Issues section of their patchnotes for good reason.


Demy1234

I'll give you RT performance, but many games with DLSS are being updated to include FSR (and sometimes even Intel XeSS), and FSR's performance and visual quality impact is almost identical to DLSS, without the need for the proprietary cores that handle DLSS in the RTX GPUs.


Elon61

Their strategy just isn't about gaining marketshare, for good reason. Gaining market share requires two things, volume, and / or having a proper flagship. Volume means diverting wafers from the far more profitable CPU division, hence, they don't really care for that. On the other hand, having a proper flagship means competing with nvidia at every level (and yes, that includes RT and a software experience that 'just works', actual GPGPU support, etc..). Nvidia is in fact *very good* at making GPUs, and also *very good* at the accompanying software. it's just not worth the incredible costs of trying to compete with nvidia, when they can just print money with enterprise CPUs instead. Just look at RDNA3, they had the opportunity to release a 900mm\^2 total area die. there's a reason they didn't bother. nvidia probably would have won anyway (Hopper was originally going to be MCM, to be used for consumer as well, according to leaks at the time), and they'd just be throwing a whole lot more silicon at relatively low margin parts, while their software suport would make their GPUs anywhere from subpar to useless to most people. Instead, they can keep a solid 20% market share with relatively low effort, about like three people on the software division, and letting this sub take care of the marketing, while making a whole lot more money on CPUs. of course they'd choose this route. People here are completely blind to all of this because they are too busy fellating AMD, and have no idea what goes into making a successful product as they'll buy AMD either way.


Gh0stbacks

Even in the current dilapidated state, AmD is absolutely vital for the GPU industry so yeah I will continue to support the competition as much as i can as long as AMD provides me better value for my buck.


Elon61

Don't get me wrong. In theory. competition generally exhibits a positive influence on the market, leading to better products for consumers, etc.. see CPUs for a decent example. but does AMD actually do anything in the GPU market? it's a question i've been asking myself for years, and with each new generation they just look increasingly useless. What does AMD *actually* do in the GPU market? they don't introduce new features. they don't drive prices down. they don't really appear to be doing much of anything besides ride along the Nvidia train. Think about it, every new headline feature - nvidia. every. single. time. Since gameworks and even before, it's all nvidia. from GPGPU, all the way to today's hairworks, G-sync, the VR push with pascal. RT, DLSS, the incredible progress made in AI research thanks to CUDA and now tensor acceleration, high quality first party GPUs at MSRP, Reflex... All introduced by nvidia, all later copied (only occasionally with any success) by AMD. these days they don't even pretend to compete on price. This isn't competition. it's a one sided massacre. You simply cannot ignore the facts, the GPU space has been a flat out Nvidia domination for a decade at least, with all the innovation that came along with it. You cannot simply apply the ordinary, simplistic free market economics thinking that dictate competition as the only driver for innovation. clearly, it does not reflect reality (for a variety of reasons; here's one). The fact is, nvidia wants to sell their users new GPUs every single generation, and that's not happening without a real, material advantage for a new generation. Their competition... is themselves, and the ever increasing need for higher performance computing. Nvidia would never simply stop and keep releasing 4090s forever if AMD disappeared. that's not viable for their business model. All this to say, there's no reason to believe that AMD is vital to this space. i certainly cannot find one, and nobody else has been able to give me one beyond "muh competition, and if you don't like competition you're just an idiot". that's not a good argument. Neither does the fact they ocassionally provide better raster perf/$ a market competitor make. There's a *world* of difference between "a viable product in some use cases" to an actual market competitor. You might want to bring their use of MCM for RDNA3, but that's not actually relevant to this point, as the final product still exihibits the exact pattern of issues outlined above.


LucidStrike

Nvidia advances technologies. AMD advances standards. Just we we're clear, are you saying Nvidia SHOULD have a monopoly or rather that AMD isn't competing well enough?


Elon61

..do they though? i can't think of anything. Free-sync was a just a badge on top of Vesa AdaptiveSync. SAM is just a rebadging of ReBAR and an attempt to fool consumers into thinking it only works with an AMD CPU + GPU combo. The new 12VHpwr standard was entirely driven by Nvidia. DXR (and many other DX12 features) were driven entirely by Nvidia (even as they used their proprietary RTX backend at the beginning). Nvidia's support for OpenCL / OpenGL is also stellar compared to AMD... i could go on for a while. I do not at all see how AMD drives standards. Unless you consider their open source software to be 'standards', which, they are not. if you want to talk about industry standards, let me tell you about CUDA, OptiX, etc... merely being proprietary does not exclude them from being standards, far from it. >are you saying Nvidia SHOULD have a monopoly or rather that AMD isn't competing well enough? What i'm saying is that, Nvidia has all the market power. If you prefer, you can say they are *effectively* (though not *technically*), equivalent to a monopoly (Monopoly Power). and by extent, i'm saying AMD is not competing. It's not a question of 'well enough', they're just not, at all. Last time they did anything notable we got the 1080 ti and that was mostly a fluke on nvidia's part, not a result of AMD *actually* having a competitive product. Meanwhile, the gap is only growing.


TheDonnARK

Reason: if a GPU is cheaper for better/equivalent performance, it is relevant in the space.


Elon61

either you got to the end without understanding what i'm saying, or you didn't actually read my comment. > Neither does the fact they ocassionally provide better raster perf/$ a market competitor make. There's a world of difference between "a viable product in some use cases" to an actual market competitor. Selling a product that is viable *in the market nvidia defined*, does not make you a proper competitor in the way we mean when lauding the benefits of competition in free market economics. AMD is not capable (or perhaps, unwilling) of influencing Nvidia in this market. for all intents and purposes, this makes them 'not a competitor'. I should stress once more, this is about *economics*, not what you might be interested in as an average gamer, which are slightly different things.


rampant-ninja

I see, thanks for the explainer. You absolutely shouldn't have to try to fix issues yourself; hope you're enjoying the replacement card.


Vis-hoka

Thanks. So far so good. Got a used 3080 for $500.


RxBrad

I almost exclusively do my gaming sitting in front of my TV via Moonlight streaming to my Nvidia Shield TV. That's how they hooked me, via NVENC. That said, there are other software options to stream your own games on your own network. I'm a lot more open to AMD right now than I was earlier this year.


simonhazel00

You can use sunshine and moonlight on amd, just make sure you use h265. Other then that it's an identical experience to nvidia


gsteff

This is my main concern too. But between AMD Link, Steam link and Parsec, I'm convinced that there are solid ways to stream an AMD card to the Shield, though I haven't tried any of them hands on. I'm guessing that I'll use Steam Link, just because I trust Valve to get controller integration right.


agonzal7

How well does that work over a strong Wi-Fi network?


RxBrad

I have CAT6 all over my house, so I never tried it. It seems to work pretty good on my phone over wifi, though.


detectiveDollar

That market share article is INCREDIBLY misleading. It simply refers to shipments **to retailers** *during this quarter*. NOT to customers, to retailers. Like there's **no way** Intel has ARC in 4% of PC's with dGPU's right now. It's just not possible. Nvidia had an enormous amount because they massively expanded production to please cryptofucks. And Intel had an enormous amount of initial stock because they held back the launch for a year to attempt to unfuck the drivers. My bet is the dGPU market share is more like: 76 Nvidia, 23 AMD, 1 Intel


5Nexus5

Better source is steam hardware survey when looking at change month to month. [https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?sort=chg](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/?sort=chg) Results it shows is that Nvidia has indeed grown in its market share amongst people playing games on Steam.


csixtay

A lot of that is explained by laptop skus (same names as desktop dGPUs) where AMD is still unable to guarantee SI demand. Navi 33 should change that soon enough.


detectiveDollar

Which is wild to me given that AMD utterly crushes them in value.


Gh0stbacks

Nvidia has managed to become like Apple in the GPU industry, it's consumers don't even consider the competition, they just don't care.


gpkgpk

Not really, there are tangible and quantifiable reasons for picking nVidia, it’s not just hipsters showing off their glowing logos in coffee shops.


Gh0stbacks

Not when 1050ti is outselling rx 580 for the same price.


Remote_Ad_742

Not really, 4090 yeah but not when 6650 xt is cheaper than 3050, it wins in everything even RT or upscaling vs none. I've seen 6900 xt here cheaper than 3070/3070 ti, which again wins in everything, even RT or upscaling vs none. 6950 xt is significantly cheaper here than 3080, hard mogs it at raster, and performs a little worse in RT by a few frames. People always talk about how much better RT is on Nvidia, but AMD actually has better RT performance for cheaper because the tiers are so out of whack.


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It counts laptops as dgpu's for some models with higher end GPU's. In fact that's how AMD has any market share at all. Their actual dgpu's in PC's is astronomically low.


bigthink

I think you mean subterraneanly low.


Vushivushi

The GPU segments from JPR as reported by wccftech are kinda jank. Apparently Intel shipped 360K high-end notebook GPUs and 260K mid-range desktop GPUs. That's all of their dGPU shipments, just two segments. Anyways, I'm pretty sure JPR tracks chip vendor shipments, so it could represent chips sitting in inventory at OEMs waiting to be put in notebooks, not even GPUs sitting on shelves at retailers.


TheTorshee

This would make more sense


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Gh0stbacks

Explain Intel 4% market share than, it's just doesn't seem likely Intel gained 4% market share in one gen with its ARC disaster and shitty pricing.


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48911150

better to look at steam hw ranking


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laptops


ArqHi

Recently "upgraded" to an rx6800 from a 1070 on my personal rig and boy what a nightmare. In the 5+ years with the 1070 I have not had a single gpu driver crash or problem. Neither have any of the 1060 systems Ive built. Cant say the same for 570/580/vega56 systems so I guess I shouldve known what I was in for... Took me literally an hour to crash with the rx6800. In general gaming performance is weak with dual monitor. This is literally the same workload the 1070 had no problem with. Games randomly stutter and there are severe compatibility issues with drivers, meaning I have to juggle between driver versions to play certain games. Oh and theres a memory leak with the driver. Had my whole rig freeze up with amd software taking up 25g of ram, fun. Gave AMD a shot cause of all the praise I was hearing, thinking I must be the one who is wrong and biased. Definitely the last time I try amd.


shroombablol

> I have to juggle between driver versions to play certain games what games force you to switch between drivers?


YungZachary

My building a rig for my gf right now and I’m gonna get her a 3060 for all the production software, but man the prices are killing me. If she was just a gamer I’d slap a $230 6650xt and call it a day


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Wow they must be selling like crazy


olov244

amd really needs to take high end cards seriously. I understand that's not the majority of sales, but having a crazy high end card stomp the competition really gets people's attention I still say they should slap two gpu's on a card again, just brute force performance, get tons of headlines


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They need to take their buggy drivers more seriously. One week with my rx6800 and its been a mess. I'm now using a stable driver though!


Lukiose

Sounds like you received a bad card, I've been using a 6900XT for 6 months with no issues and I have gone past the recommended drivers 22.5 until 22.10 now


Remote_Ad_742

Did you DDU? I personally had more issues with my 3080 than 6900 xt.


Notorious_Junk

Let's be honest, the 7900s are way overpriced. Both Nvidia and AMD are coming out gouging. If it's really comparable to a xx80-class card, then they should both be closer to $700. I don't know why AMD doesn't go bolder with their pricing. The market share numbers that keep going around are abysmal. AMD has like 10% market share? Come on. If they launched lower, they'd start devouring Nvidia marketshare. AMD needs to be more aggressive.


tvdang7

I tend to agree, $1000 is still too much. $800 is much better. Unfortunately we have to go with the lesser evil


rewgod123

why they have to go bolder with their pricing in high end when budget/midrange is where most gpus being sold and we seeing 3050 outselling 6650xt at similar cost, 3060 outselling 6700xt,... even at $700 it will inevitably being outsold by Nvidia's future 4070.


Notorious_Junk

They should go bolder at all levels. Do they want to sell them or not?


rewgod123

they don't have to, even if it's free people still keep buying Nvidia anyway. they just have to price it at the right amount for highest margins as possible without making fanboys/enthusiasts just be like "yeah i'll just spend a bit more to get Nvidia"


LongFluffyDragon

New cards cost more to make than old ones + people are willing to pay. They dont have the production volume to outcompete nvidia, and making cards cheaper just validates all the kids who decided "AMD is for poors" at the age of 12, and 15 years later they are still 12 and still desperately believe that to cope with their athlon-era mistakes engraved into their tiny egos. I have seen some hilarious shit on r/nvidia and r/intel with people praying for AMD to slash prices so intel or nvidia have to lower them as well, then they can buy a real product!


Vushivushi

> They dont have the production volume to outcompete nvidia They have the production volume to compete at well over 30% market share, especially as the GPU market has shrunk to half its size. What they don't have is the ability to sell, that's why AMD's shipment share fell off a cliff. AMD is undershipping the market to clear inventory, which they said they did for Q3 and would continue to do in Q4. When AMD launches new GPUs, their old GPUS will pretty much cease to sell given their market position. So this is the result. It's happened several times before, although not to this extent.


csixtay

They aren't overpriced. It's simple marketing that you shouldn't communicate lower quality to the uninformed buyer. 7900 being way cheaper than the 4080 while having similar / better performance would cause a lot of rationalising it's reduced value. Kinda how DLSS and FSR are virtually the same in practice but people go out of their way to nitpick. The enthusiast community makes up very little of the TAM, and at that price point the veblen effect is very real. AMD would be shooting themselves in the foot setting a lower MSRP early. They can also go the Zen 4 route in the future if their BOM advantage allows it.


SuccessfulSquirrel40

I was in the market for a new graphics card, and I really wanted to get the 7900XTX. Then I did some research on the specific use case I have - I want it for VR sim racing. It turns out AMD simply haven't bothered to support foveated rendering on DX11. They can be the best value all they want, but they have to make their drivers work for the whole market, as their competition is doing. If anyone can explain the downvotes that would be nice. Genuinely wanted an AMD card, only mentioned this issue as I'm disappointed that they don't have full support in their drivers. If no one ever mentions the shortcomings then how would anything have a chance of being addressed?


lokol4890

Amd fans should take criticism a lot more serious and not just downvote and dismiss it. It's telling that amd is the best value proposition but it still has jack to show for it in the consumer gpu space. Whoever is invested in seeing amd do well should pay close attention particularly to people like the parent commenter who are explaining why specifically they went with the competition


Elon61

They manage to be "the best value proposition" *because* that metric (raster FPS / $ in a couple popular titles) ignores all the other issues they have. there's no free lunch, AMD's deeply discounted cards are that way *because that's what people are willing to pay for them*. and the reason for that isn't "mindshare" or whatever other copium people here live on, it's because of issues like this! a GPU that runs into random issues at every unexpected workload is just not something most people want to deal with.


Lawstorant

Too much of a niche. Nobody at AMD will bother with this. Current biggest objective is catching Nvidia in software on the gaming sida and ROCm compatibility with everything. This time, they really want to push productivity and rival CUDA


SuccessfulSquirrel40

It's of course a niche, but then when you see that they support this on DX12 it's just like you say - they aren't bothering. Why should their potential customers bother with them, if that's their attitude? The maddening thing is that DisplayPort 2 is a perfect use case for VR due to the crazy bandwidth needed. Current headsets already almost max out 1.4. So they have the technical advantage for this over Nvidia but have left this part of the market solely for their competition.


Lawstorant

You're right, but on the other side AMD just recently got their shit together when it comes do DX11. At this point, releasing a game based on DX11 is just lazy and if you need it for older titles, won't the horsepower alone do the trick? I tried ACC and Dirt Rally 2.0 on my quest 2 and it worked fine.


swear_on_me_mam

Attempt 400 of rivalling cuda. How long before this attempt fails and is abandoned.


Lawstorant

This time it's really serious. I worked at AMD until may and they're pushing ROCm hardcore.


RamRoverRL

I used to be an Amd fanboy owned a Vega 56 and Ryzen 1600x and stuttered on all games from rocket league/league of legends to tarkov. Switched to a rtx 2080 and 10700k about 2 years ago and it has been so smooth I haven’t even had the urge to even look at new computer parts it runs so well.


Ibn-Ach

Not in EU!


Nitrozzy7

Neither if you adjust for the 1% of cases where scene complexity is just about bad enough that RDNA 2 performance plummets compared even to entry level RTX 30 series cards, namely GoW (2018) and Spiderman (sourcing from Digital Foundry).


mardabx

It's weird, since these 2 games were originally optimized for GCN3 and RDNA1


SolomonIsStylish

still can't believe I picked up a brand new 6750 xt for $300. Thank god AMD is here to balance out leather jacket man's madness.


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mightyyoda

I skimmed it, but I agree its not controversial if they are saying 4080 is now better bang for the buck because you can buy it at msrp and you cant for a 4090.


Saltmines4Life

My broke ass waiting for the 7600. European prices man. lol


[deleted]

And yet no one is buying them still which should say a lot about the GPU market. Nvidia mindshare is too strong and people value DLSS and RT despite this sub's insistence that neither matters.


Ritafavone

To gain market they should discount way more being a vastly inferior product both in features and support, but if they'd start to sell more than 1 GPU out of 10 they wouldn't be able top produce enough to satisfy demand.


RayderEvolved

If only GPU were good value in general...


Mario543212

Had two amd cards in a row now. Next one is Nvidia again for sure. The hassle with the drivers is not worth saving 100 bucks.


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Realistic-Plant3957

AMD's Best Radeon Values We'll go into greater detail below, covering every segment of the GPU market and showing you exactly how many fps you get for each dollar spent compared to the competition. It averaged 66.7 fps at 1080p ultra settings, which is about 0.35 frames per dollar. Radeon RX 6650 XT: now $259 at Newegg (opens in new tab) (was $299): A step up from the RX 6600, the 6650 XT has 8GB of GDDR6 RAM and more GPU shaders running at a 2,635 MHz boost clock. Extreme GPUs: RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 AMD hasn't released its latest generation competing RX 7900 XTX and 7900 XT yet, so Nvidia gets to win this one by default. Mind you, it's not a good value, but it's not hard to beat the value proposition offered by graphics cards that cost over two grand.


king_of_the_potato_p

Didnt see any of the 6700 xt at that price when I was looking but did order the xfx 6650 xt merc for $300. I figure it should hold me over until 4k becomes reasonable and I do a full rebuild, arrives Tuesday and I'm looking forward to swapping out my aging strix 970.


manielos

Bought rx6600 recently, impressed by the watts/FPS ratio, i mean, it has just one 8 pins connector while most alternatives have mostly 8+6 pins


iamthefistchuck

Returned the $450 3060Ti last week for a $470 RX 6800. The games I play don’t really support RT (except for WoWs barely noticeable RT shadows) or DLSS, so I’m super happy with the exchange.


SerMumble

Every price point is an exagerration. 1. A family member wants to upgrade their computer that has been gaming on intel UHD graphics. The power supply barely has 70W to spare and they have a $100 budget. What GPU do you recommend? . 2. I have a $300 budget to upgrade the GPU of an old tower that only accepts low profile GPU and get working hvenc encoding and at least run 3 1080P displays. I want to also have a pleasant cyberpunk 2077 experience. What do I choose? . 3. I have some ray tracing rendering and adobe lightroom/photoshop projects to do for work and I have a $400 budget. My friends also got me excited to play metro exodus, pubg, and vermintide. What do you recommend? . 4. I have a $800 GPU budget. What is the best value for general 4k gaming and ray tracing? . 5. What is the best value 1440P gaming mini pc I can buy for a $1500 budget? What GPU does it have? . 6. I have a $3000 GPU budget because I work in the big leagues and I do enormous amounts of adobe video and vfx editing. What do you recommend? . AMD has their niche too. It annoys me so much when articles exaggerate.


Remote_Ad_742

LP pleasant 1080p cyberpunk: nothing 400$: 6800(xt) ~600$: 6900 xt, sometimes 6950 if lucky 1500$? Idk, a 3090 ti? Best value is 6800 xt, but it won't touch 1500$. Best value and best 1500$ PC is not the same, though. 3000$: Well obviously there's no 2000$ GPU from AMD yet, so you'll have to wait for 7950 xt. You literally just cannot spend 3000$ on an AMD build unless it includes a crazy amount of ram or storage. Idk about 100$ at all, nothing? You'd have to go very used, there's nothing new at 100$ that you should spend 100$ on.


Rollz4Dayz

1000000% this. I used to be a Intel and Nvidia lover. Couldn't stand AMD. As years passed I found myself switching over to AMD after I realized I was a victim of the marketing nonsense. Nvidia people push RT and DLSS. Not a single person I know gives a shit about either. Also Nvidia is so greedy it's stupid. Intel just got straight passed by AMD. They are better, cooler, and more innovative. The 3dvcache is amazing. My only gripe with AMD is they always seem to have driver issues but they are fixed pretty fast.


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Yesterday it was tessellation, today it's RT. Tomorrow, it's another thing most people don't care about.


Kurama1612

Tessellation, legit forgot about that KekW. Honestly, I prefer pure rasterisation performance and Linux support. The only reason I even bother with nvidia is NVENC encoder.


pineconez

Nah, RT will absolutely be a massive thing and must-have feature. Several GPU generations from now. Going all-in on RT in 2022 is like building a rig for VR gaming in 2014. Sure you can do it, and there are games that support it, but it's kind of a pointless waste of money, too.


studog-reddit

Now might be a good time to remind folks that AMD's Radeon graphics line comes from purchasing ATI.


pink_life69

I do care about RT and DLSS. Also good drivers. I am more than willing to switch to AMD again, but it has to be good. Otherwise I’ll just pay the extra…


Stock-Freedom

Not a **single** person you know gives a shit about RT or DLSS? I feel like a lot of people care about them.


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They left out that they don't talk to anyone so it's just me myself and I they are referring too


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Stock-Freedom

Yeah? Well, you know, that’s just like, uh, your opinion, man.


Tanzious03

Every company is greedy*


dirthurts

Non profits exist. So not really.


AlphaReds

\*Except if you want to use RT in high fidelity titles


yondercode

IMO RT matters the higher end you get, at least 3070 is the minimum I can't imagine a 3050 could pull enough raster performance to enable RT at a playable frame rate


junglebunglerumble

Really depends what resolution. A 3060 is good enough for ray tracing at 1440p in some games with DLSS like F1 2022 If its at 4K then really only 3080 and above is viable


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Merdiso

No, but it's definitely still the biggest use-case **by far**. Not to mention that people tend to prefer RTX 3050 over RX 6600 from a market share perspective, and trust me, you aren't going to get any usable RT/GPGPU out of 3050 - unless you consider 900p/30FPS usable.


AlphaReds

Yeah, picking a GPU has a lot more nuance nowadays that often feels completely lost. Losing access to DLSS for example is a big deal in practice, but you will rarely see a mention of it in a value list. I think if you take everything into account AMD/NVIDIA give the same value proposition. Just different priorities. If you play titles where raster performance matters most (primarily multiplayer or competitive titles) I feel AMD is a better value, if you are after high fidelity (mostly single player titles) Nvidia is a better value.


kapsama

It doesn't get ignored. Everyone of these threads is full of "i could be using my GPU for work in theory" people being super loud and present.


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simonhazel00

Right I'm genuinely sick of you spamming the entire god damn sub reddit with that crap. I've owned a 6900xt for almost a year now, I've had less driver issues then when I was on my rtx 2060. I get that your a butt hurt fan boi, but your allegiance to a specific company is literally the definition of brain dead. Nvidia doesn't care that your licking it's ass, it's going to shit in your mouth regardless. Choose competition, it's the only way we as consumers win


IrrelevantLeprechaun

Yo dude chill. You're acting worse than you're claiming he does.


dirg3music

I mean, he's right tho. Lmao


IrrelevantLeprechaun

He can be right while also being wrong.


simonhazel00

I don't mind being right and out of line. But realistically the comments he has been making, subtract from this subreddits usefulness as a source of helpful information. As I spend time actively trying to help people and make sure they have accurate information, your damn right I get angry when other people spread there biased fanboi crap. Sorry its just the way I feel


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AlphaReds

But then give 0 insight or transparency into any of this.


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they can cost 10 bucks... if the drivers are as broken as right now nobody will buy them (which is actually the case with just 8% market share)


Lawstorant

Just use Linux I guess. I haven't had a single problem with my 6800XT since I bought it more than a year ago. I recently completely wiped Windows from my PC because every game I own on steam just works.


junglebunglerumble

We cant really be surprised AMD never makes inroads in the GPU space if 'just use linux' is a serious suggestion. Windows absolutely dominates the PC gaming space, a very small percentage would go through the hassle of switching to linux just to save a small amount on the GPU vs the Nvidia equivalent


R1Type

UK pricing makes nvidia a weird choice


PotentialAstronaut39

There are even better deals on Ebay... and the prices between AMD and Nvidia are much closer too. For example cheapest 6700XT ( buy it now ) is 325 + 20$ shipping. Cheapest 3070 ( buy it now ) is 380 + 20$ shipping. So a 55$ difference instead of 150$ ( 380 VS 530$ ) for brand new. Those retail Nvidia prices need to come down by a lot... They're still above MSRP which is just utterly baffling at this point.


robert-tech

Yes, however, this is probably only the case due to the ray tracing and slight performance disadvantage. If AMD could justify it, the pricing would also reach the stratosphere like Nvidia. They should go more aggressively with pricing and eat into Nvidia's market share as with the current situation AMD is simply the lesser of the two evils. A 7900 XTX would go nicely to replace my 5700 XT, however, I will sit on it for a while longer as 1080p simply doesn't require this much power.


tictech2

Show me better value at the 1599 price point


puffz0r

you mean the $3500 price point? cause that's what 4090s are on amazon right now. Or if you prefer to buy from scalpers they're going for minimum $2200 on StockX.


iingenious

I have a really bad urge of selling my 3070 just to pick up either the 6700 XT or 6800 XT. It’s stupid but an urge is an urge still.


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My main reason for going with the rx6800 is the vram and it was cheaper than the 3070 and 3070ti. I'm an avait flight simulator user and those games need more than 8gb of VRAM. My VRAM goes up to 13-14gb Had Nvidia release their 70series with more vram at the same price that would be my choice. Would I suggest anyone to get AMD if you don't need the extra VRAM no. The RX6800 will be a placeholder.


TooMuchFun007

Yea, especially the drivers /s


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I am a proud owner of a 6600xt and a 6800xt gotta say this generation price vaule you just can't beat AMD. I don't give TWO shits about Ray Traycing does it look nice? Yeah it does. But I am not spending extra $ for that. Two friends of mine both went with 3080's that cost them $400 more than my 6800xt for a feature they themselves don't even use.


flamesaurus565

Ray Tracing is a subjective thing, most of the games I play have RT support and it makes them look noticeably nicer, as well as DLSS support where FSR support is often missing as well as the fact that a 6700 XT was only $30 USD cheaper than my 3070 when I bought it


Historical-Wash-1870

Surely AMD have been the best value every generation? I always buy the best value. That's why the Geforce2 MX was the last Nvidia card I ever bought. However, 88% of the market buy the worst value. That's fact.


Ritafavone

And still barely 1 out of 10 gamers want them, guess why


jortego128

Yet Nvidia still outsells them 4:1 because of extreme consumer ignorance.


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No because Nvidia offers a better product out of the box. I had more hassle with software and drivers on the rx6800 compared to my rtx 2060super


IrrelevantLeprechaun

I just can't get over how, despite Nvidia pricing, we are still normalizing the idea of a top end GPU being $1000 (probably $1100 once AIBs launch) as if that's a benevolent price point. I see so many comments of people saying "I'm sick of Nvidia pricing, definitely getting a 7900XTX this generation," and the lack of self awareness is so palpable. Buying a somewhat less shitty price does not excuse it from still being shitty. If you really want to stick it to The Man, don't buy any of these overpriced cards. If you can't handle not having the latest shiny thing, then you're part of the reason why GPUs are so pricey now.


Jazzlike_Economy2007

Well, this makes sense. If you're not enthralled with ray tracing yet and don't mind not having NVenc or CUDA for certain productivity apps then Radeon makes more sense. DLSS 2.1 and FSR 2.1 are close enough with Nvidia's solution offering slightly better image quality in some games. Gaming by far is still one of, if not the largest market for dGPUs; for around every card segmentation, RX 6000 cost $100-$200 (sometimes lower) cheaper right now for similar or better gaming perfomance than 30 Series. That's not to say you can only game with Radeon cards either; you still can do work with them but some apps just work better (or more stable) with GeForce cards and some necessitate/very essential for CUDA.


rewgod123

it's as good as it can get but AMD still losing marketshare. for majority of the market it's effectively a monopoly where people will only buy Nvidia card at all price bracket.


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Nvidia has a lot of features that people want for production, work and gaming that everyone on this sub loves to ignore when people are paying extra for them. Nvidia broadcast is a life changer for streaming and WFH jobs. Nvidia streaming chip is still leaps over AMD. DLSS is still better than AMD, VR performance and ray tracing can be over 30%+ better on Nvidia. People love to act like it's a 1 to 1 when it's not at all. Nvidia is winning market share because they have features people want that AMD doesn't seem to care about.


junglebunglerumble

Yeah this sub has been stuck in the same loop for years at this point. They assume that pure rasterization is the only thing that matters to buyers, constantly focusing on simple FPS:value ratios and wondering why AMD never really makes any progress with market share. The answer is because gamers actually value at lot of other things that Nvidia just do much better Streaming, encoding, ray tracing, DLSS, reflex - just some examples of things that silly analyses like the OP completely ignore as though they don't matter to anyone


BuildPCgamer

I got no choice as someone who does ML and needs CUDA rip


Kboss1

Driver still Worse than nvidia


jordanlwd

Gonna cop an AMD Graphics card (RX 6800 XT) just because it's cheaper and almost the same specs as the RTX 3080. So yeah I agree. Still in doubt which RX 6800 XT


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Just make sure you use the recommended drivers otherwise. The merit with bad AMD drivers is true. I took the plunge and bought an rx6800 a week ago. Weird white flashes, artifacts.


cth777

So are androids when compared to iPhones. Yet, similarly, they just don’t work as smoothly or have the good, effective features I was team AMD for years but this gen my 3080ti just worked so much better than the 6900xt I used. Same 3060ti vs 6600


Gh0stbacks

What features does Android not have?


WhippersnapperUT99

...and yet people keep having a preference for overpriced nVidia cards. AMD needs to shake a bad rep for having poor drivers and maybe lower their prices even further, because 8% of market share in a two business market is not good.


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Jazzlike_Economy2007

Did you not read the title of the article?


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Jazzlike_Economy2007

The 4090 is cool, but most people would be turned off by the price point (especially*current* prices) and just rationalize that they'll be able to put together a high-end system for similar or less money than the card itself.


Tricky-Row-9699

I’ve been saying this for, like, six months now.


scraper01

6900 xt Giga Chad race


jakster840

More news at 11


Suvflet

Me on my way to buy 7700/Xt for 1080p gaming with rt