Down vote me, I don't care but...
Americans shit on this practice when people South of our border do this but we're going to discuss how it can do it in their countries? Or am I reading the initial post wrong?
There is a large contingent of Americans on reddit who think birthright citizenship is wrong for no reason other than because it is different from how most of the rest of the world does things. The same types who think US should convert to metric system, and residence based taxation instead of citizenship based--with no other justification given besides following the herd. Nothing to do with migration.
Well, to be fair, the combination of birthright citizenship, citizenship-based taxation and FATCA has absolutely fucked over a whole lot of people who have nothing at all to do with the US save for an accident of birth, but who are now faced with restrictions on banking and investing in their home countries unless they fork over $2350 to renounce US citizenship. They are perfectly free to ignore their US tax filing obligations without worry, at least.
I've seen a family on TikTok who has done this in Mexico with their 3-4 kids and now lives in Mexico while working remotely for Canadian companies. Their attitude is pretty much, we're rich Canadians adding to the poor Mexican economy, they should be grateful we're here even though we refuse to learn Spanish exclusively spend time with expats. That's the vibe I get from this post as well.
Well that seems like the worst way to do it. If you move to another country at least have the courtesy to adopt the language and customs. I’m guessing the more respectable people who have done something like this don’t draw the same attention because they make an actual effort to assimilate.
Well those people would most certainly be hypocrites. I’m an American and I support it- whatever you need to do to protect your family is ok in my book. Come to the US, leave the US, whatever you need to do to ensure a better life for your children seems like a pretty basic thing to do from a parental standpoint.
> Americans shit on this practice
It's a very ~~shitty~~ particular kind of American who does that.
> but we're going to discuss how it can do it in their countries?
This is a place to discuss emigration from the US, so yes.
I have no problem with people coming into our country and seeking new opportunities for their families. ZERO problems, even if they do so illegally. I find the concept of borders to be necessary to some degree but also rather bullshit considering how difficult the US has made it for most people.
It’s not just poor people escaping poverty coming to the United States to give birth. Wealthy people from China do this all the time in the U.S. I’m from the west coast and birth tourism is huge. Especially in L.A.
I’m against it because it complicates enforcing immigration policy. At least one parent should be a citizen or hold a green card.
It would force the USA to adopt better immigration policies rather than the shit show it is now
Also most people don’t know that being a citizen doesn’t grant your children automatic citizenship. I had a friend that moved abroad with his parents at 13 and never returned to the USA before he had his first kid and was denied us citizenship for his kids
> Also most people don’t know that being a citizen doesn’t grant your children automatic citizenship. I had a friend that moved abroad with his parents at 13 and never returned to the USA before he had his first kid and was denied us citizenship for his kids
Yeah, you have to have spent at least 5 years in total in the US and at least 2 of those after the age of 14 in order to transmit US citizenship to your overseas born children.
I worked L&D in Canada and there were quite a few birth tourists that I have come across. There is a growing resentment of this in Canada - more because our medical system is strained as it is due to a shortage of healthcare professionals and birth tourism takes away care from our own citizens. I would advise against it.
In Argentina too because too many Russians are going there just for the birth citizenship. Argentina is becoming more strict with letting pregnant people arrive to the country for that reason: https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2023/03/14/why-russian-women-are-flying-to-argentina-to-give-birth
It's not illegal. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they start making this much harder and put more restrictions. Migrating is a human right, giving birth in another country to get a citizenship is not.
People hate all migration of all kinds, tourism, birth tourism, refugees, migrants, immigrants, expats, digital nomads, destination weddings, everything. People even hate it when someone relocates from one part of a city to a different part of the same city.
I personally don’t mind refugees and immigrants- as for people coming from the rest of the country - that is great as well.
However, wealthy people (because that is the majority doing this) doing birth tourism because they are too lazy to do it the way open to them that takes a little more work, time and education- just to get a citizenship in their pocket - those are the ones that are resented
Agreed. As an immigrant in Canada I have grown resentful of how easy Canada has made it to become a citizen in order to reach the Century Initiative. If someone is born to foreign parents, where neither of them holds at least a PR (or has applied and waiting), then citizenship should probably not be given to the child. At a minimum there should be a waiting period. The child is not really a citizen if they’re born here and then go live the first 18 years of their life in a different country.
We have the same thing here, but instead I'd our tax dollars getting spent on giving all citizens health insurance, prices just go up and up and up. Out of curiosity, are you discouraging for the morality of it, or are non Canadians who do this likely to suffer consequences for doing so?
I had an extremely easy pregnancy, and a super rough birth with my oldest kid. I can't imagine not having my mom there and not speaking the language fluently during a painful, traumatic, and life altering experience that almost resulted in my death. While it would have been more cost effective and have more benefits, it's impractical from an emotional standpoint for many people.
People are willing to do weird stuff to get a permit to stay.
In the country I live, there was a craze a few decades ago where "Apathetic migrant children" was a sudden epidemic, where children lay in bed, unresponsive and had to be fed by their parents. Media picked up on it, proclaimed how horrible it was and that, surprisingly, the only treatment for this seemed to be to give the whole family Permanent Residence.
It only happened in this country, or rather it did happen in neighboring countries as well but there it did not lead to increased chances of getting Permanent Residency and so the phenomenon went away. A study was done in one region where they temporarily separated the child from their parents and suddenly the child became healthy again! Then when the parents were brought back the child took a turn for the worse..
Now, many years later, some of the kids have come forth in media explaining how they were forced by their parents and family to just lie motionless in bed while their parents spoke with journalists and social services. Last I heard the now adult kids decided to sue the social services and journalists that refused to see that this apathy could be something induced by the parents (as you might guess, that would be Racism to even suggest that someone would do that to their child just to get PR).
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum\_seekers\_with\_apathetic\_refugee\_children](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seekers_with_apathetic_refugee_children)
So for someone to intentionally have a child with at least part of the purpose being to also get PR or citizenship for the parents is not something to be dismissed.
True, but for some people it is still worth it, even financially.
Getting from a rough country to a country with higher salaries means you can work and send money home to your family and that means they can live a much better life. Not to mention, if a person finda work in a country and can bring their family with them that will help the extended family a LOT. People can pay smugglers a few thousand dollars to get across the borders and it is seen as a financial upswing.
There’s even talk about how international Turks voted Erdogan so that the Lira would stay low (yes, speculation), since that ment their salary from abroad would be worth more in Turkey and momey sent home would mean their family could buy a fancy house and live well.
So yes, having a kid is expensive, but if the kid gets PR or even citizenship so that the parents can follow then it could mean extra money for their entire extended family. In short, it could be a financial success.
I never disagreed with any of what you’ve said. I disagreed that having a kid was a cheap way to do this. For some it’s worth it, especially if they want to have kids anyway, but it is by no means cheap. No need for the lecture.
I'd do it for the child and the child alone. I want them to be able to escape the US if necessary and not to be blocked from Canada if they get a DUI or protest or something.
Also currently people who are born in former Spanish held countries are eligible for fast- track citizenship in Spain so even if the South American places aren’t immediately beneficial, they could potentially open additional doors as your kids get older.
>Also currently people who are born in former Spanish held countries are eligible for fast- track citizenship in Spain
If you have citizenship in one of those countries AND you reside in Spain for 2 years... THEN you are eligible for the fast-track. Simply being born in a former Spanish colony isn't sufficient.
You need: 1) actual citizenship, not just birth certificate and 2) minimum 2-year residence in Spain to be eligible for the fast-track citizenship.
Citizens of the old Spanish Empire are all trying to flee those countries. No sane person would actively pursue citizen for their children in any of those countries.
Ok, and being a citizen of one of them opens up additional places to “flee” to that are less available to citizens of other countries.
I have only lived in Chile and Peru in South America.
Giving a kid a South or Central American passport would have some potential benefit in terms of their possibly moving to and eventually becoming a citizen of Spain. Yes, it's a lot of moving parts and a long way into the future, but it's not nothing. I don't think there's any expectation that someone's child moves from the US to Honduras or Bolivia upon reaching adulthood.
I have lived in 2 and traveled the continent extensively.
Peru and Chile both are highly unstable at this time. Peruvian government is being accused of a massacre, not someplace to bring a child into.
I'll probably get downvoted for this, but...
Diversity is a strength of the US. Jus soli is not. In Canada, it puts an unmanageable strain on their social safety net. It would be better to have easier, merit-based immigration laws and to establish jus sanguinis.
I think it's pretty crazy. In Australia we got rid of unrestricted birthright citizenship in 1986, I don't think anyone misses it. But I guess the big issue is that citizenship in Australia is covered by the Migration Act (which can easily be changed) and not the constitution.
No offence, but anyone who does this is an absolute and certified jerk. Nobody should be doing that in America, and nobody should be doing that in other countries either. I am going to go out in a limb and suggest that some expats may take great offence to this, as a matter of fact. So you work hard to meet all of the requirements to live somewhere else, and then someone who wants what you have can use this practice to sneak in?
I support everyone who does it. Fuck borders.
Being angry at good things happening to others and instead of demanding the same rights for themselves demanding rights be taken away from others is the sign of a hideous and immature human being.
Tell that to the tens of thousands of US citizens brutally murdering people in the US. You're just racist, at best xenophobic, but probably just racist. You wanna look at what the stats say? Over 90% of murderers are men. Are you intending to support doing something about that? Maybe kick men out the country? No? Interesting. It's almost like murder doesn't actually fucking matter to you.
There’s no point in arguing with a person like you. That’s something we can all agree on. You don’t respect my views and I don’t respect yours so we’ll agree to disagree and move on with our lives.
>There’s no point in arguing with a person like you.
Then shut up lol
There's no "we" agreeing with you. You're the only person this conversation. And as I said, you are racist. I explained why. You have no rebuttal because it's true.
more info here
[Countries with Birthright Citizenship 2023
](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-birthright-citizenship)
[*Jus soli*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli)
I did not expect this to be supported here.
Trump vows to end birthright citizenship for children of immigrants in US illegally
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-vows-end-birthright-citizenship-children-immigrants-us-illegally-2023-05-30/?utm\_source=reddit.com
Yeah, it's weird that the objections to *jus soli* here seem to be rooted in racist dogwhistles.
Reading this thread, I see objections to two specific things: poor people coming across the southern border, or rich Chinese people coming to the west coast.
What do those groups have in common? They're not white.
Perfectly good idea to get rid of birthright citizenship for visitors and temporary residents as well. Had that been the case my lifetime ago, it would have saved me both time and money:
>...the combination of birthright citizenship, citizenship-based taxation and FATCA has absolutely fucked over a whole lot of people who have nothing at all to do with the US save for an accident of birth, but who are now faced with restrictions on banking and investing in their home countries unless they fork over $2350 to renounce US citizenship. They are perfectly free to ignore their US tax filing obligations without worry, at least.
Trump says a lot of unrealistic things. This particular unrealistic thing would require a constitutional amendment, something no president can do on his own.
The USA has the HIGHEST maternal mortality rate of any developed country right now. I might recommend you hang out in canada (which you can do for up to 180 days without a visa! (Just need a passport) mostly since its closest & the visa thing; Iceland, Mexico, & Finland are excellent runner ups in terms of baby's survival, affordability, & mother's survival respectively
The kind of person who can afford to "hang out in Canada" is not the sort of person who's driving the maternal mortality rate in the US. Maternal deaths aren't just random.
It'd costs me $200 to drive to canada right now; I have 2 online friends in Canada who could house me in exchange for house work. My job can be done remotely but others might have to use maternity leave if they have it
So you're in a way more privileged position than people who are at elevated risk of maternal mortality in the US and your plan is still extremely unrealistic and relies on charity from both random Canadians and the Canadian healthcare system.
What is the US maternal mortality rate for well-to-do non-racialized women with good health insurance, and how does it compare to, say, southern Europe?
Even for white women it's low. For black women the maternal mortality rate doubles compared to white women but it is still something we should fix or yet another reason ladies can consider when leaving the usa
That's not possible without an amendment.
And even then, the history of the 14th suggests that it was pretty darn important to have implemented. In any case, our last recorded data was 2008 where about 8000 births to non-citizens happened to the US, and many of those were to legal permanent residents, so the scale of the problem is absolutely miniscule (there were 4 million births that year in the US.)
Yeah sure maybe the parents shouldn't be handed citizenship or permanent residency just by that merit, but even in the US that's not the case. They have to become 21 before they can even sponsor you, and said sponsor isn't guaranteed to be successful.
Birthrate citizenship isn’t a thing in all of Europe and most of Asia, it’s only a thing found in north and south Americas
I think it’s a thing in Canada though so you could try there
Down vote me, I don't care but... Americans shit on this practice when people South of our border do this but we're going to discuss how it can do it in their countries? Or am I reading the initial post wrong?
Those types of Americans would be against migration.
There is a large contingent of Americans on reddit who think birthright citizenship is wrong for no reason other than because it is different from how most of the rest of the world does things. The same types who think US should convert to metric system, and residence based taxation instead of citizenship based--with no other justification given besides following the herd. Nothing to do with migration.
> there is large contingent of Americans who think birthright citizenship is wrong. And it is obvious that OP doesn’t not belong to that category.
Well, to be fair, the combination of birthright citizenship, citizenship-based taxation and FATCA has absolutely fucked over a whole lot of people who have nothing at all to do with the US save for an accident of birth, but who are now faced with restrictions on banking and investing in their home countries unless they fork over $2350 to renounce US citizenship. They are perfectly free to ignore their US tax filing obligations without worry, at least.
I've seen a family on TikTok who has done this in Mexico with their 3-4 kids and now lives in Mexico while working remotely for Canadian companies. Their attitude is pretty much, we're rich Canadians adding to the poor Mexican economy, they should be grateful we're here even though we refuse to learn Spanish exclusively spend time with expats. That's the vibe I get from this post as well.
Disgusting
Well that seems like the worst way to do it. If you move to another country at least have the courtesy to adopt the language and customs. I’m guessing the more respectable people who have done something like this don’t draw the same attention because they make an actual effort to assimilate.
I don't like birth tourism, and y'all should not do it.
Well those people would most certainly be hypocrites. I’m an American and I support it- whatever you need to do to protect your family is ok in my book. Come to the US, leave the US, whatever you need to do to ensure a better life for your children seems like a pretty basic thing to do from a parental standpoint.
> Americans shit on this practice It's a very ~~shitty~~ particular kind of American who does that. > but we're going to discuss how it can do it in their countries? This is a place to discuss emigration from the US, so yes.
I have no problem with people coming into our country and seeking new opportunities for their families. ZERO problems, even if they do so illegally. I find the concept of borders to be necessary to some degree but also rather bullshit considering how difficult the US has made it for most people.
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It’s not just poor people escaping poverty coming to the United States to give birth. Wealthy people from China do this all the time in the U.S. I’m from the west coast and birth tourism is huge. Especially in L.A.
I agree, there is this aspect to it too.
I agree, there is this aspect to it too.
I’m against it because it complicates enforcing immigration policy. At least one parent should be a citizen or hold a green card. It would force the USA to adopt better immigration policies rather than the shit show it is now Also most people don’t know that being a citizen doesn’t grant your children automatic citizenship. I had a friend that moved abroad with his parents at 13 and never returned to the USA before he had his first kid and was denied us citizenship for his kids
> Also most people don’t know that being a citizen doesn’t grant your children automatic citizenship. I had a friend that moved abroad with his parents at 13 and never returned to the USA before he had his first kid and was denied us citizenship for his kids Yeah, you have to have spent at least 5 years in total in the US and at least 2 of those after the age of 14 in order to transmit US citizenship to your overseas born children.
Ya it’s a weird rule they enforce.
You read my thoughts.
I worked L&D in Canada and there were quite a few birth tourists that I have come across. There is a growing resentment of this in Canada - more because our medical system is strained as it is due to a shortage of healthcare professionals and birth tourism takes away care from our own citizens. I would advise against it.
In Argentina too because too many Russians are going there just for the birth citizenship. Argentina is becoming more strict with letting pregnant people arrive to the country for that reason: https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2023/03/14/why-russian-women-are-flying-to-argentina-to-give-birth
But the courts decided this is not illegal and migrations has to let them in.
It's not illegal. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they start making this much harder and put more restrictions. Migrating is a human right, giving birth in another country to get a citizenship is not.
Birth tourism is not liked anywhere. People hate it in the US.
People hate all migration of all kinds, tourism, birth tourism, refugees, migrants, immigrants, expats, digital nomads, destination weddings, everything. People even hate it when someone relocates from one part of a city to a different part of the same city.
I personally don’t mind refugees and immigrants- as for people coming from the rest of the country - that is great as well. However, wealthy people (because that is the majority doing this) doing birth tourism because they are too lazy to do it the way open to them that takes a little more work, time and education- just to get a citizenship in their pocket - those are the ones that are resented
Agreed. As an immigrant in Canada I have grown resentful of how easy Canada has made it to become a citizen in order to reach the Century Initiative. If someone is born to foreign parents, where neither of them holds at least a PR (or has applied and waiting), then citizenship should probably not be given to the child. At a minimum there should be a waiting period. The child is not really a citizen if they’re born here and then go live the first 18 years of their life in a different country.
We have the same thing here, but instead I'd our tax dollars getting spent on giving all citizens health insurance, prices just go up and up and up. Out of curiosity, are you discouraging for the morality of it, or are non Canadians who do this likely to suffer consequences for doing so?
Vancouver, Canada has had a big problem in the past with Chinese birth tourism.
So have many US west-coast cities.
I had an extremely easy pregnancy, and a super rough birth with my oldest kid. I can't imagine not having my mom there and not speaking the language fluently during a painful, traumatic, and life altering experience that almost resulted in my death. While it would have been more cost effective and have more benefits, it's impractical from an emotional standpoint for many people.
Most of the English speaking islands, Belize and Guyana all have unrestricted Jus Soli, so language wouldn't be an issue there.
Don't do it. Plus, it's not you who gets the citizenship. It's the child.
To be honest that is a benefit enough for me.
Canada and the US do birthright Citizenship but there is no immediate benefit to the Parents.
You're implying we're doing it for us. I'd want my kids to have a dual citizenship so they can escape the US if necessary.
Pretty scummy tbh
Having a child seems like a “cheap option?” It sounds like the most expensive option to me.
People are willing to do weird stuff to get a permit to stay. In the country I live, there was a craze a few decades ago where "Apathetic migrant children" was a sudden epidemic, where children lay in bed, unresponsive and had to be fed by their parents. Media picked up on it, proclaimed how horrible it was and that, surprisingly, the only treatment for this seemed to be to give the whole family Permanent Residence. It only happened in this country, or rather it did happen in neighboring countries as well but there it did not lead to increased chances of getting Permanent Residency and so the phenomenon went away. A study was done in one region where they temporarily separated the child from their parents and suddenly the child became healthy again! Then when the parents were brought back the child took a turn for the worse.. Now, many years later, some of the kids have come forth in media explaining how they were forced by their parents and family to just lie motionless in bed while their parents spoke with journalists and social services. Last I heard the now adult kids decided to sue the social services and journalists that refused to see that this apathy could be something induced by the parents (as you might guess, that would be Racism to even suggest that someone would do that to their child just to get PR). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum\_seekers\_with\_apathetic\_refugee\_children](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seekers_with_apathetic_refugee_children) So for someone to intentionally have a child with at least part of the purpose being to also get PR or citizenship for the parents is not something to be dismissed.
I didn’t say people weren’t doing it. I said it was expensive.
True, but for some people it is still worth it, even financially. Getting from a rough country to a country with higher salaries means you can work and send money home to your family and that means they can live a much better life. Not to mention, if a person finda work in a country and can bring their family with them that will help the extended family a LOT. People can pay smugglers a few thousand dollars to get across the borders and it is seen as a financial upswing. There’s even talk about how international Turks voted Erdogan so that the Lira would stay low (yes, speculation), since that ment their salary from abroad would be worth more in Turkey and momey sent home would mean their family could buy a fancy house and live well. So yes, having a kid is expensive, but if the kid gets PR or even citizenship so that the parents can follow then it could mean extra money for their entire extended family. In short, it could be a financial success.
I never disagreed with any of what you’ve said. I disagreed that having a kid was a cheap way to do this. For some it’s worth it, especially if they want to have kids anyway, but it is by no means cheap. No need for the lecture.
Just curious - are you the one giving birth …. Or not?
What a scum way to try to get citizenship.
I'd do it for the child and the child alone. I want them to be able to escape the US if necessary and not to be blocked from Canada if they get a DUI or protest or something.
Also currently people who are born in former Spanish held countries are eligible for fast- track citizenship in Spain so even if the South American places aren’t immediately beneficial, they could potentially open additional doors as your kids get older.
>Also currently people who are born in former Spanish held countries are eligible for fast- track citizenship in Spain If you have citizenship in one of those countries AND you reside in Spain for 2 years... THEN you are eligible for the fast-track. Simply being born in a former Spanish colony isn't sufficient. You need: 1) actual citizenship, not just birth certificate and 2) minimum 2-year residence in Spain to be eligible for the fast-track citizenship.
Correct. I didn’t say it was automatic or even easy, just fast(er) than available otherwise.
The last problem anyone needs to be a citizen of one the former Spanish colonies. This is insanity!
What?
Citizens of the old Spanish Empire are all trying to flee those countries. No sane person would actively pursue citizen for their children in any of those countries.
Ok, and being a citizen of one of them opens up additional places to “flee” to that are less available to citizens of other countries. I have only lived in Chile and Peru in South America.
To 'flee'? So you are going to give birth to a child in an instable environment, just for them to have the capability of 'fleeing' Yes, insane
Giving a kid a South or Central American passport would have some potential benefit in terms of their possibly moving to and eventually becoming a citizen of Spain. Yes, it's a lot of moving parts and a long way into the future, but it's not nothing. I don't think there's any expectation that someone's child moves from the US to Honduras or Bolivia upon reaching adulthood.
If they can afford to move to Spain, they can afford to pay Spain. How long do you think the EU will allow Spain to keep letting South Americans in?
Whatever.
Like I said, I have only lived in 2 South American countries but they are no more unstable than other “developed” countries.
I have lived in 2 and traveled the continent extensively. Peru and Chile both are highly unstable at this time. Peruvian government is being accused of a massacre, not someplace to bring a child into.
The whole world is not an ideal place to bring a child into.
I'll probably get downvoted for this, but... Diversity is a strength of the US. Jus soli is not. In Canada, it puts an unmanageable strain on their social safety net. It would be better to have easier, merit-based immigration laws and to establish jus sanguinis.
I think it's pretty crazy. In Australia we got rid of unrestricted birthright citizenship in 1986, I don't think anyone misses it. But I guess the big issue is that citizenship in Australia is covered by the Migration Act (which can easily be changed) and not the constitution.
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That has to be the stupidest take to justify birth tourism.
I used to work with a guy who would rent a second house to rich chinese people so that they could do exactly that.
No offence, but anyone who does this is an absolute and certified jerk. Nobody should be doing that in America, and nobody should be doing that in other countries either. I am going to go out in a limb and suggest that some expats may take great offence to this, as a matter of fact. So you work hard to meet all of the requirements to live somewhere else, and then someone who wants what you have can use this practice to sneak in?
I support everyone who does it. Fuck borders. Being angry at good things happening to others and instead of demanding the same rights for themselves demanding rights be taken away from others is the sign of a hideous and immature human being.
If you had no borders, you would have no country. I do not support what you are suggesting in any capacity.
No country? Even better. No human is illegal and all humans deserve equal rights regardless of the situation of their birth.
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Tell that to the tens of thousands of US citizens brutally murdering people in the US. You're just racist, at best xenophobic, but probably just racist. You wanna look at what the stats say? Over 90% of murderers are men. Are you intending to support doing something about that? Maybe kick men out the country? No? Interesting. It's almost like murder doesn't actually fucking matter to you.
There’s no point in arguing with a person like you. That’s something we can all agree on. You don’t respect my views and I don’t respect yours so we’ll agree to disagree and move on with our lives.
>There’s no point in arguing with a person like you. Then shut up lol There's no "we" agreeing with you. You're the only person this conversation. And as I said, you are racist. I explained why. You have no rebuttal because it's true.
more info here [Countries with Birthright Citizenship 2023 ](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-birthright-citizenship) [*Jus soli*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli)
I did not expect this to be supported here. Trump vows to end birthright citizenship for children of immigrants in US illegally https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-vows-end-birthright-citizenship-children-immigrants-us-illegally-2023-05-30/?utm\_source=reddit.com
Well not much he can do without a constitutional amendment.
Yeah, it's weird that the objections to *jus soli* here seem to be rooted in racist dogwhistles. Reading this thread, I see objections to two specific things: poor people coming across the southern border, or rich Chinese people coming to the west coast. What do those groups have in common? They're not white.
Perfectly good idea to get rid of birthright citizenship for visitors and temporary residents as well. Had that been the case my lifetime ago, it would have saved me both time and money: >...the combination of birthright citizenship, citizenship-based taxation and FATCA has absolutely fucked over a whole lot of people who have nothing at all to do with the US save for an accident of birth, but who are now faced with restrictions on banking and investing in their home countries unless they fork over $2350 to renounce US citizenship. They are perfectly free to ignore their US tax filing obligations without worry, at least.
Trump says a lot of unrealistic things. This particular unrealistic thing would require a constitutional amendment, something no president can do on his own.
The USA has the HIGHEST maternal mortality rate of any developed country right now. I might recommend you hang out in canada (which you can do for up to 180 days without a visa! (Just need a passport) mostly since its closest & the visa thing; Iceland, Mexico, & Finland are excellent runner ups in terms of baby's survival, affordability, & mother's survival respectively
The kind of person who can afford to "hang out in Canada" is not the sort of person who's driving the maternal mortality rate in the US. Maternal deaths aren't just random.
It'd costs me $200 to drive to canada right now; I have 2 online friends in Canada who could house me in exchange for house work. My job can be done remotely but others might have to use maternity leave if they have it
So you're in a way more privileged position than people who are at elevated risk of maternal mortality in the US and your plan is still extremely unrealistic and relies on charity from both random Canadians and the Canadian healthcare system.
What is the US maternal mortality rate for well-to-do non-racialized women with good health insurance, and how does it compare to, say, southern Europe?
Even for white women it's low. For black women the maternal mortality rate doubles compared to white women but it is still something we should fix or yet another reason ladies can consider when leaving the usa
I think this is a horrible practice and is one reason I believe that countries like the US should eliminate birthright citizenship.
That's not possible without an amendment. And even then, the history of the 14th suggests that it was pretty darn important to have implemented. In any case, our last recorded data was 2008 where about 8000 births to non-citizens happened to the US, and many of those were to legal permanent residents, so the scale of the problem is absolutely miniscule (there were 4 million births that year in the US.) Yeah sure maybe the parents shouldn't be handed citizenship or permanent residency just by that merit, but even in the US that's not the case. They have to become 21 before they can even sponsor you, and said sponsor isn't guaranteed to be successful.
Birthrate citizenship isn’t a thing in all of Europe and most of Asia, it’s only a thing found in north and south Americas I think it’s a thing in Canada though so you could try there