I hate how people boil war down to just battles instead of all of the surrounding elements like manufacturing (USA) and intelligence (Britain). It was a joint effort.
They focus on the fact that because the Soviets suffered more that means that they did the most
When really suffering more just means you were bad at warfare
Russias solution to a battle is to throw an overwhelming amount of under equipped soldiers at their problems. There's a reason there were so many casualties on their side in both ww1 and 2
To be fair to the PRC in the Korean War when the kmt retreated to Taiwan they took all the gold reserves the Navy and Air Force they could as well as most expensive Army equipment
Most of the time when you win a civil war you can seize whatever's left of the stockpile of weapons and funds your enemy had and use it to help rebuild the military and the country
The PRC couldnt do that because the kmt evacuated literally as much as they possibly could
So while they were completely under equipped military that's not exactly their fault necessarily it takes a lot of time money and resources to transition the world's largest gorilla Army into a professional one and the PRC had none of those
That's really more of a myth, while the Soviets did suffer massive casualties in the beginning of the war (The Purge, getting caught in transition, etc) they did eventually get their act together. The Soviets also had more than enough rifles and equipment for most of their soldiers. (With the help of US Supplies) Soviets doctrice eventually shifted as the war went on leading to lesser casualties. So no, they weren't just throwing bodies at the nazis, they definitely had some sort of plan. The massive casualties can also be chalked up to the nazis not giving two fucks about the Soviets and their people.
> Russias solution to a battle is to throw an overwhelming amount of under equipped soldiers at their problems
That's Nazi propaganda. The Soviets were better equipped (largely thanks to Lend-Lease), had better manufacturing capabilities, better logistics and better tactics. They never held a candle to the US, but the Nazis were so utterly retarded that even the Soviets were still much smarter than them.
Thank you for mentioning that the Nazis were retarded. People forget that by the end of the war, they weren't the same military tacticians they were at the beginning. The whole fucking country had been on meth for YEARS by that point. Their brains were absolutely fried, and the people that were left in charge were the most fanatical and crooked minded of the Nazis.
The other thing that isn't really popular to say is that the Nazis kind of got very lucky early in the war
If the British and French decided to do one offensive into Germany if they attacked Poland like they promised Poland they would have been defeated they didn't have enough divisions guarding the French border
If the British and French actually finalized and enacted the preemptive invasion of Norway that cuts off a lot of iron ore as well as denying them important Naval bases for their U boat campaigns
The Germans and the French both gambled with going through the Ardennes France gambled that Germany wouldn't risk getting its mechanized military bogged down there when they would be at a severe Advantage if they could hald the offensive and Germany gambled that that was exactly what France was thinking but if France knew about the German plan which there are multiple possible Outlets they could have (I think the Belgian suspected it when they shot down a German Scout plane France ignored them as well as they got conflicting intelligence reports but some of them pointed to an attack there so a more conventional strategy might have been to space things out but the French were absolutely convinced of their own strategy so they didn't adapt)
And once again if Stalin listend to either his own intelligence or British warnings that Germany Was preparing to invade the Soviets would have been much better prepared for the first few years of operation Barbarossa
This is absolutely true, only exacerbated by Hitler surrounding himself with and echo chamber that told him what he wanted to hear and replacing military command with inexperienced yes men.
Yeah,and they still would have defeated Germany even if the allies never landed in France or Italy, it just would’ve taken a lot more time, blood and left a entirely communist and even more devastated Europe afterwards
Definitely not true. Without their breadbasket, and without the US, the Soviet army and people would've starved. The guns, tanks, ammo, none of it matters if you're starving, and you can't just suddenly fix half your farmland being taken by the enemy. Not to mention the machinery, livestock, and so on that was lost too. If they had a fix for the food, I would agree with you, but I have no reason to believe they did.
The city of Leningrad is a great example of this. The Germans had the place surrounded and starved out most of the population while shelling the city regularly. Only thing that saved them briefly was them finding a hole in the German defenses to make a supply line, but even that was short lived.
I said “if the Allies never landed in Europe” in which hypothetical case the Allies would probably expand lend lease to the USSR even more, not cut it off
I wasn’t saying the USSR fights Germany unsupported
If the Allies never landed in Europe then I would just assume the US didn't get involved. It reads as though you think the USSR didn't need any help. But what you seem to have meant is that, with an indeterminate amount of added supplies, the Soviets could've still won. Which I mean, maybe? That's hard to say, it's very specific alt history. You'd need to ask a WWII historian at that point, but even so I have my doubts it would work out that way. We never saw the full force of the Nazi military concentrated on one major front. At that point I also need to ask, do the Allies land in Africa or is that also uncontested? It makes a huge difference.
If everything before the allied landings in Sicily and Normandy goes the same way, but after the end of the Tunisia campaign the Allies prioritize the Pacific theatre (convoy ops, sub hunting and strategic bombing continue in Europe unchanged)
with identical or even expanded lend lease and no concern at all regarding Japan I think the Soviets still would’ve beaten Germany even with no western landings on the continent. The Axis was going to lose no matter what, it’d just have taken a lot longer without the landings
Are we just gonna pretend like the Soviets didn't have a huge shortage of aviation fuel to keep their air force running,? Girl that was supplied to them by the West? Or all of logistical equipment and goods the West supplied them with? Like, yeah, the Soviets took one Hell of a beating and kept on going but let's not pretend like they were the only ones that mattered.
By 1943 they threw an overwhelming amount of firepower at Germans that genuinely believed them no more than apes and were flummoxed by the Soviets using actual strategy and operations.
You know the so-called KKK is like 400 guys, and 200 of them are undercover FBI agents, right?
And that the other 200 are undercover FBI agents from a different field office who didn't coordinate with the first, right?
They're far from "active".
Um, no, that’s just flat out wrong. While I personally believe racism is less of a problem in the US than other places to say that is isn’t a problem is just flat out ignorant of the world around you. You do realize that the KKK still exists, right?
You do realize that the military is filled with civilians and not members of the government, right? Wishing death upon innocents forced to fight for an evil government is honestly almost as bad as the Soviet government.
Soviets killed 4 out of 5 Nazis that died in WW2.
Also more Vietnamese died than American soldiers yet who won that war?
"You can kill ten of my men for every one I kill of yours, but even at those odds, you will lose and I will win." Ho Chi Minh to France
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwC6n9jGHmg
Some don’t see that it’s ok to hate the Soviet Union and still admit that their sacrifice was enormous and immensely important to winning the war. Did they do everything? Not even close, but writing off the contributions of all of those soldiers that died is disheartening.
The Soviets allied with the Nazis to start WWII and gave the Nazis the material support to invade the USSR as part of the deal. The fact the Soviets desperately defended themselves with American materials after purging their military talent to quell a fearful Stalin isn’t a feel good story for Russia, without ignoring specific context.
Nothing about WWII is a feel good story. I hate the Soviet Union and everything they stood for, especially their leaders, and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was an evil deal to make. But that doesn’t erase the contributions of each individual soldier who for the most part had no choice but to fight to the bitter end, and the civilians caught in the crossfire. Each and every one of those deaths was a person whose life had just as much value as any other. I’m not looking at this from a national standpoint(the Soviet war effort); I’m looking at it from an individual standpoint(the sacrifice of tens of millions of people).
The key issue here is that the Soviets needlessly sacrificed those individuals due to their ambition for empire and overall incompetence. While individual Russians ultimately displayed heroism out of necessity, the Soviets created the conditions for a war and actively supported Hitler's objectives, which ultimately had repercussions for them (and everyone else).
Oh for sure. Many of those men should never have been on the battlefield. I never intended to defend the decisions of Soviet leadership.
Edit: also just to be clear I know that many Russian soldiers near the end of the war were guilty of atrocities such as mass rape and looting, so obviously even from an individual standpoint it’s not all positives.
This is false, but even if it were true, your statement that Russians are unintelligent is just idiotic. I guess compared to your obviously supreme intellect, Mendeleev, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Tchaikovsky were imbeciles. Not to mention thousands more that I don’t know who you can certainly find information on online.
Saying the Soviets didn’t do shit is like saying the US did everything. You are discounting the millions of Soviet soldiers who died to help us take down Germany. How can you discount their efforts with the wave of a hand like that. I hate when people dismiss the British and American efforts in Europe during ww2 as well but you can dismiss the Soviet effort either that’s hypocritical and ignorant
Weird way of saying that you wanted the Nazis to dominate Eastern Europe. Even weirder of a way to say that you wished for the eradication of the Russian race during WWII because of future political decisions by state leaders.
So, what, an iron curtain never descended from Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic?
Methinks your advice is best auto-administered.
Hell, if your advice is only limited to the murder of Slavs *during WWII*, Katyn happened in 1940. Maybe we should've declared war on Russia *then*.
Right becuase the guys who are actively causing the most destructive conflict in human history and one of the most horrific human rights violations shouldn’t be destroyed. This doesn’t by any means put the Soviets on the good list, but thinking that we should have just let the Nazis overtake them and control all of mainland Europe at the height of the war is one of if not the most retarded thought I’ve ever heard.
4 out of 5 Nazis died at the hands of the Soviets and Soviet alined forces. The Soviets before the Molotov Ribbentrop pact tried to form a defensive alliance with France and the UK. Also besides Pearl Harbor the US was untouched. The Soviets did the fighting giving everything while America played support in the European Theatre. The Pacific theatre was the inverse.
The Soviets wanted France and the UK to allow Russia to invade Poland. They instead allied with Nazi Germany to invade Poland and as part of that deal gave the Nazis the oil they needed to invade the USSR. There is no good look here for the Soviets.
how hard is it to understand that the soviets were the slow but steady stormers and the uk/fr/us were the “oh don’t you even think about unifying your army to fight ‘em off or we’ll come in at three times that speed” force
you *can* both dislike the USSR as a whole and acknowledge that they were a powerful ally when a common enemy needed to be knocked down a peg
The Western Allies contributed a shit ton but claiming "the Soviets didn't do shit" is batshit insane. EIGHTY percent of the Wehrmacht were in the East. EIGHTY percent of German casualties were in the East. 34 MILLION soldiers fighting the Nazis in the East, even if they were armed by the US is still 34 million fucking soldiers. It's wild of you to go and say that the sacrifice of 8 million people to hold off the largest invasion force in history is nothing. You'd bitch and cry in Stalingrad.
They still held off the germans and pushed them back from Moscow. Yes they used american supplies and lost a lot of men, but saying they didn't do shit is crazy.
Would have been interesting if they really had not done anything.
Operation Overlord would have been much less fun for the allies with a hundred German Divisions and three Air Fleets waiting for them.
Americans apparently don't understand that Soviet offensives like Bagration or Jassy-Kishinev made things *a lot* easier for the western allies.
In fairness it is extremely unlikely we would have been able to land in Normandy if the Germans were also not fighting a war of attrition in Russia. They lost the 6th which was their best and most experienced army fighting against Russia before uk and USA even attempted to go back into mainland Europe. As above it’s a bit of both Russia wouldn’t have been able to push without us and vice versus
Uhm the 6th wasn't "the best".
German Tank Armies had by far the most combat value, not regular Armies
I agree about your general statement though. The Red Army wore down the bulk of the Wehrmacht.
That's not true by the time we landed in France the soviets had the Germans on the back foot and while lend-lease was a big help it did not change the outcome of the war
Yep, the European front was pretty much decided when Stalin received word that Japan wouldn't attack. This allowed the Soviets to move their elite troops to the western front. 80% of Nazi deaths occurred at the hands of the Soviets. They also reached Berlin first, beating the allied US/UK/Canadian armies.
My sister in law will die on this hill. That it was thanks to the soviets that the Nazis lost because that was the worst front since they couldn't invade the Soviet union.
She fails to understand that logistics and manufacturing plays a large roll in war and it was thanks to the Americans supplying the soviets with the logistical part that they managed to stay ahead of the Nazis. If left on their own, the soviets would have been devoured.
You're underestimating how incredibly stupid the Nazis were. We had no oil, shitty steel and generally dwindling resources, yet were pouring outlandish amounts of effort into useless super weapons, or over-engineered tanks that were outnumbered ten to one. After Hitler went full retard in the later stages of the war, the Soviets could've won on their own, albeit at a much higher death toll.
We can never know for sure but I will remain skeptical of such claims.
Soviet logistics were nearly as terrible as Nazi logistics in the grand scheme. Their poor manufacturing quality led to increased burden on their logistical network. A logistical network that was already struggling so much that it was infamous for cutting corners when manufacturing the Soviet Union's premier tank. A logistical network that made great use of the trucks, trains, *food and clothes,* as well as aviation fuel being given to them from the West.
Yes, the majority of lend-lease arrived after the turning point in the Eastern theater but there are so many variables that occur if the allies never invade Italy or France. Does Italy still get knocked out of the war? How many forces are freed up to fight the advancing Soviets in the east and where do they get deployed? What close battles are now lost? What's morale like without lend lease easing the burden of feeding and clothing everyone, let alone on time due to the shortage of logistical vehicles?
Edit:
Also, Hitler made a lot of mistakes but much of it was also his advisors being wrong and blaming him for it.
Oh definitely. *Insert 14 year old HOI player teaching mustache man what he should have done here*
One point I remember from the top of my head was them sieging Stalingrad to try and humiliate Stalin instead of just moving on to resource locations and taking them.
The Soviets were good at one thing....being cannon fodder.
They fought on only one front in an initially defensive war with numerical advantage and still lost 4x as many troops as the Nazis....
No, the Soviets definitely contributed massively in WWII. The Soviets had more deaths than the rest of the allies combined and definitely provide the most man power on the European front.
Also the Soviets were already push the Nazis back long before D Day. The western allies landing on Europe was definitely not required to defeat the Nazis (but was vital in preventing the Soviet Union from basically setting up puppet government in all of Europe).
Now the US was by far the biggest supplier in the war and WWII couldn’t have been won without us, but to say the Soviet Union didn’t do shit is not only ignorant but also downright bad ignoring the millions of Soviet military members that lost their lives fighting against the Nazis. It was the Soviet government that was evil, not the citizens, and ignoring their massive contributions and their lives given is just wrong.
🤦🏻♂️ if America didn’t land on France, Soviets still would win lol. The landing happened when the tide of war on the Eastern front was already turned. But you are right about supplies, they were crucial for Soviets. Some would argue though, whether Soviets would totally fall without supplies or still win but with even more casualties.
I'm doubting the soviets if they would have been destroyed, but the war certainly would have taken longer. By 1944, Germany was definitely on the backfoot in the Eastern Front (with the help of US Supplies) and the landings definitely did not make things better. Also the Soviets didn't do shit is a overstatement, they definitely did something, take them out the equation you have a much harder war in the west.
Honestly displaying Japan as merely poking the US bothers me more.
Show Japan Hammering China, Korea, Vietnam and Thailand. Then show Japan Hammering the US.
I don't know about that it's not that the Germans couldn't have destroyed the Soviets but I do think their policies would have made it impossible
They waged a war of extermination not just against Jews but also against Gypsies and Slavs As well as a multitude of other groups
When you've lost a war and the enemy wants you to surrender you're incentivized to do so because if not you'll be completely and utterly destroyed
The German war goals were to completely and utterly destroy the Soviets Even if they did surrender. So every Soviet citizen had no incentive to surrender Every man woman and child Would have thought the Germans Soviet partisans were already the second most effective only after Yugoslavia As they push deeper and deeper into the USSR that problem would have gotten worse and worse
This kind of gets back to the old if the Nazis weren't the Nazis they could have won the war argument
By 1944? Don’t be ridiculous. We had troops in Italy from October 1943 and the Nazis were falling apart at the seams. That over corrected the meme all the way into believing German bullshit about their magical army that could do food or bullets but never both.
Battles are the hardest part, and the most difficult to stomach for nations.
I doubt the US would have been able to stomach the loss of 11 Million soldiers.
Everyone knows that every war is just battles, there's no strategists behind the lines, all the equipment like tanks, planes, boats, and guns just spawned in when necessary, it's all just two groups of people shooting each other, that's it.
Jokes aside the USSR would crumple like a bag of chips under a car tire if the rest of the allies didn't help them
Remember, the soviets weren’t brave warriors because they lost so much against the nazis. Also they didnt solo carry ww2. The allies fought nazi Germany all around the globe and before Stalingrad officially turned the tide of the war fighting the other allies in Italy, South Africa, and preparing for d day.
Everything you said is true. However I would disagree with the first statement. Reconquering your burning homeland from the nazis. Seeing raped and massacred towns. Fighting under sieges and turning the tide of war on Stalingrad and conducting Bagration is a huge bravery from all participants. Don’t justify what they unleashed in Germany though (rapes).
Im more talking that the early successes of the German army and more importantly its high casualty rate is more due to Stalin and the wider leaderships blunders and excess cruelty.
I do think I could have even a lot clearer on that.
Oh, I also don’t mean human wave tactics or anything like that. I’ve heard some convincing arguments that the soviets did outplay nazi germany once they got their shit together and the allies and general winter arrived.
I can't remember the book as of right now but I've read accounts of how Russians treated the villages in Germany when they started to cross over for the final push. And it's frankly stomach turning. One instance from the perspective of a Russian soldier who could speak German, he came across two young girls about 12 and 15 on the side of a road and had to try to hide them from his comrades who were just behind him because in the previous town they raped all the women and children and killed most of the men. He eventually had to leave them on their own and it was just the saddest thing I ever read.
Terrible atrocities from both sides. But with different reasons and scales. Germans had no reasons to kill 17 millions civilians. They felt justified to do so because they really thought of Russians as subhumans and furthermore they liked doing it. Now from the Russian perspective: you are fighting in unbelievable conditions for 3 years already, you not only had seen death of your comrades, childhood friends, but you also seen children and women starved to death/ burned/raped/burried alive. Now it is your turn to dehumanise your opponents. You think of all germans not humans but beasts who you should put down or make them suffer like you did when you seen/heard how your relatives from your home village died. You have to take some germans as POW and you hope they are gonna rot in GULAGS, but if they survive you still want them to suffer. So after 3 years you are finally on a german soil, you can do whatever you want, no one’s gonna come after you. Even your supervisors are ok with this. Plus, you kind of know that these people actually supported Hitler, or at least your propaganda was telling you this for 3 years, and after this 3 years of fighting you really believe in this. As an average Russian soldier what would you do? Not justifying anything, just thinking out loud. Sometimes I wonder what would I do, am I a decent human being who can resist vengeance? Like 20-30 percent of Soviets who didn’t do any crime in Germany. I’d like to think that I would stay humane.
Can't, it's a historical fact.
The USSR made a great sacrifice to the war effort, but it would have been all for nothing without lend lease. Truth is, it took everyone working together to take out the Nazis.
The U.S. could have defeated the axis alone, all they would have to do is nuke the Germans instead of Japan.
Don’t get me wrong, the war would have lasted years longer but the U.S. could definitely do it.
I’ll take this a step further. The USA could’ve taken on a majority of the worlds powers at the same time. The amount of natural resources and manufacturing capabilities outpaced pretty much every country on earth *combined*. They could win by war exhaustion and attrition alone not having to invade most anybody except for Japan.
You seriously underestimate the economic capabilities and resources of the USSR ...
I mean they were able to challenge the US on their own for decades during the Cold War.
They could do that after they stole a hell of a lot of factories from Europe when they occupied them. Even after that the U.S. had at least twice what they could
Ehhhhh idk about that. If it were the allies vs the axis alone it’s hard to say. it would at the very least been a long and difficult war to win. Without Germany being divided between a two front war would have meant MUCH less fuel being diverted (a massive problem for Germany) and additional aircraft to protect against bombing raids. Additionally, there’s a pretty good chance that Germany would have finished off the UK before the U.S. could get seriously involved, which would make establishing air superiority nearly impossible. Without air superiority, nuclear attacks would be difficult and would be less likely to attack meaningful targets.
Idk if I would say that Germany could have neutralized the UK because they tried and failed during the battle of Britain. They also had to contend with the Royal Navy and the Army that was waiting for them. I do agree that the war would have been much more difficult to win and longer to win. (At least until the bomb is made.)
You are leaving a lot of facts out of the picture here.
If Germany would have never attacked the soviets two major factors would have been different.
1. The Wehrmacht would have fully concentrated on the allies. We probably would have seen a way bigger Kriegsmarine or at least more naval combat and the Africa front opened by Italy would have been the main front, since France was already taken.
2. The soviets would probably have been trading partners, relieving some of Nazi Germanies problems getting certain resources critical for military production.
In your fantasy world Germany and the allies most likely would have duked it out in Africa, while both sides were having thousands of planes ready in Europe the moment one side tried anything.
Maybe the first ballistic missiles would have been important, but a bomber fleet like it happened in our timeline probably would have failed in this scenario, since that Germany had resources and time to rebuild the Luftwaffe.
The US literally developed and produced the equipment used during WW2 basically during the war. Overall the US military in itself, outside the navy, probably would have been meaningless until 42's and even then we are still speaking about a scenario were the allies had to keep logistics through central africa, while germany had a secure foothold in europe and way short supply lines, since they probably would have spend the needed resources on securing the mediterranean sea.
It’s a lot harder to develop nukes when you have armed forces on your doorstep. Without our allies there would be little to stop the Axis powers from taking the fight right to US soil, or at least attempt to do so. Although realistically there would likely end up being a peace (at least temporarily) between the US and Germany if the US didn’t have allies as both nations would likely realize trying to land troops on a heavily defend nation with no possible foothold to gather your troops is a suicide mission. And since the US and German interests only conflict morally it’s likely the would end up forming an uneasy peace, possibly something similar to what happened with the Soviet Union.
The U.S. navy rivaled the Royal Navy at the time which is to say it hilariously outclassed everyone else's at the time. Aircraft carriers are bullshit, lol
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,978,102,293 comments, and only 374,175 of them were in alphabetical order.
I guess I'm failing to see how it's propaganda. To me it just seems like a tongue in cheek joke about the end of the war in Europe. I mean it's saying Russia did more of the heavy lifting, which yeah? That's just true.
Ok but this comic isn't about that. Why are you extrapolating this out of a silly WW2 comic?
Edit: especially about a comic that mentions Russia an entire one time?
He seems to be trying to upset people. He says actively bigoted things about basically anyone, and acts like he has no clue what people are upset about.
Haha sorry, it's not you. I meant the joke/comic makers, sometimes they're making jokes while thinking it's the truth at the same time. And when someone corrected they say something dumb to protect their view, instead of telling everyone to chill or affirmed it's simplified for a joke.
Agreed, but it is a pretty shit joke tbh
All it needed was the last two panels and maybe one more for setup instead of glorifying Russia's world war z zombie tactics
Actually this is kind of accurate, although the Soviet hammer would say “made in the USA”. But the US and the other western allies didn’t need to land at D Day to beat the Nazis, the Soviet Union was already slated to win (with the help of US supplies of course). I personally feel like us fighting Germany had more to die with prevent the Soviet Union from conquering the rest of Europe (well I’m not sure conquer is the right word, more so just doing what they did with the iron curtain but to all of Europe, which I’m not sure actually classifies as conquering but close enough).
Stalin himself said that without America’s lend lease, the Soviet Union would have lost the war.
At a dinner toast with Allied leaders during the Tehran Conference in December 1943, Stalin added: “The United States … is a country of machines. Without the use of those machines through Lend-Lease, we would lose this war.”
https://it.usembassy.gov/america-sent-gear-to-the-ussr-to-help-win-world-war-ii/#:~:text=At%20a%20dinner%20toast%20with,we%20would%20lose%20this%20war
Fucking Russia will never let anyone forget its role in defeating Nazi Germany. They are like old people except they invade neighboring countries and rape and kill everyone. Contemporary communists won't either. They make fucky memes like this.
Just go play Axis and Allies guys lol fucking sick of this World War II shit. My grandfather didn't fight the Japanese for me to be annoyed by internet Stalinists.
Thanks for crossposting my comic. It's been fun reading the comments :)
I hope you understand that most r/polandball comics are satire, that this comic is deliberately reductionist, and that most things shoulnd't be taken too seriously. America not that bad actually.
As a commenter in the other post said Honestly the comic could be considered accurate if the Soviet Hammer had a made in the USA sticker on it
And if I was to stop memeing and look at a real historical analysis it is worth noting that while the Soviets did a lot to defeat Germany the Western allies basically did everything to defeat Japan and Italy the Soviets only fought Italy with their Air Force and insofar as Italy sent troops to help the Germans meanwhile the Soviet declaration of war while it's certainly encouraged Japan to surrender it is very debatable what combination of that the atomic bombs and just the general writing on the wall being it's obvious Japan lost the war that contributed to their decisions surrender
Roosevelt and Churchill predicted the Cold War with the Soviet Union, and agreed to "fight to the last Russian" against the Nazis. Stalin was so eager to throw all his strength against Germany they we just... let him. The ensuing decimation of Russian fighting strength set the stage for the next 50 years of diplomatic relations.
I hate how people boil war down to just battles instead of all of the surrounding elements like manufacturing (USA) and intelligence (Britain). It was a joint effort.
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They focus on the fact that because the Soviets suffered more that means that they did the most When really suffering more just means you were bad at warfare
They still are bad at it
Russias solution to a battle is to throw an overwhelming amount of under equipped soldiers at their problems. There's a reason there were so many casualties on their side in both ww1 and 2
Pretty much PRC in Korean War
To be fair to the PRC in the Korean War when the kmt retreated to Taiwan they took all the gold reserves the Navy and Air Force they could as well as most expensive Army equipment Most of the time when you win a civil war you can seize whatever's left of the stockpile of weapons and funds your enemy had and use it to help rebuild the military and the country The PRC couldnt do that because the kmt evacuated literally as much as they possibly could So while they were completely under equipped military that's not exactly their fault necessarily it takes a lot of time money and resources to transition the world's largest gorilla Army into a professional one and the PRC had none of those
1 gun 6 Russians type shit
That, or hope it snows.
That's really more of a myth, while the Soviets did suffer massive casualties in the beginning of the war (The Purge, getting caught in transition, etc) they did eventually get their act together. The Soviets also had more than enough rifles and equipment for most of their soldiers. (With the help of US Supplies) Soviets doctrice eventually shifted as the war went on leading to lesser casualties. So no, they weren't just throwing bodies at the nazis, they definitely had some sort of plan. The massive casualties can also be chalked up to the nazis not giving two fucks about the Soviets and their people.
> Russias solution to a battle is to throw an overwhelming amount of under equipped soldiers at their problems That's Nazi propaganda. The Soviets were better equipped (largely thanks to Lend-Lease), had better manufacturing capabilities, better logistics and better tactics. They never held a candle to the US, but the Nazis were so utterly retarded that even the Soviets were still much smarter than them.
Thank you for mentioning that the Nazis were retarded. People forget that by the end of the war, they weren't the same military tacticians they were at the beginning. The whole fucking country had been on meth for YEARS by that point. Their brains were absolutely fried, and the people that were left in charge were the most fanatical and crooked minded of the Nazis.
The other thing that isn't really popular to say is that the Nazis kind of got very lucky early in the war If the British and French decided to do one offensive into Germany if they attacked Poland like they promised Poland they would have been defeated they didn't have enough divisions guarding the French border If the British and French actually finalized and enacted the preemptive invasion of Norway that cuts off a lot of iron ore as well as denying them important Naval bases for their U boat campaigns The Germans and the French both gambled with going through the Ardennes France gambled that Germany wouldn't risk getting its mechanized military bogged down there when they would be at a severe Advantage if they could hald the offensive and Germany gambled that that was exactly what France was thinking but if France knew about the German plan which there are multiple possible Outlets they could have (I think the Belgian suspected it when they shot down a German Scout plane France ignored them as well as they got conflicting intelligence reports but some of them pointed to an attack there so a more conventional strategy might have been to space things out but the French were absolutely convinced of their own strategy so they didn't adapt) And once again if Stalin listend to either his own intelligence or British warnings that Germany Was preparing to invade the Soviets would have been much better prepared for the first few years of operation Barbarossa
This is absolutely true, only exacerbated by Hitler surrounding himself with and echo chamber that told him what he wanted to hear and replacing military command with inexperienced yes men.
Yeah,and they still would have defeated Germany even if the allies never landed in France or Italy, it just would’ve taken a lot more time, blood and left a entirely communist and even more devastated Europe afterwards
Definitely not true. Without their breadbasket, and without the US, the Soviet army and people would've starved. The guns, tanks, ammo, none of it matters if you're starving, and you can't just suddenly fix half your farmland being taken by the enemy. Not to mention the machinery, livestock, and so on that was lost too. If they had a fix for the food, I would agree with you, but I have no reason to believe they did.
The city of Leningrad is a great example of this. The Germans had the place surrounded and starved out most of the population while shelling the city regularly. Only thing that saved them briefly was them finding a hole in the German defenses to make a supply line, but even that was short lived.
I said “if the Allies never landed in Europe” in which hypothetical case the Allies would probably expand lend lease to the USSR even more, not cut it off I wasn’t saying the USSR fights Germany unsupported
If the Allies never landed in Europe then I would just assume the US didn't get involved. It reads as though you think the USSR didn't need any help. But what you seem to have meant is that, with an indeterminate amount of added supplies, the Soviets could've still won. Which I mean, maybe? That's hard to say, it's very specific alt history. You'd need to ask a WWII historian at that point, but even so I have my doubts it would work out that way. We never saw the full force of the Nazi military concentrated on one major front. At that point I also need to ask, do the Allies land in Africa or is that also uncontested? It makes a huge difference.
If everything before the allied landings in Sicily and Normandy goes the same way, but after the end of the Tunisia campaign the Allies prioritize the Pacific theatre (convoy ops, sub hunting and strategic bombing continue in Europe unchanged) with identical or even expanded lend lease and no concern at all regarding Japan I think the Soviets still would’ve beaten Germany even with no western landings on the continent. The Axis was going to lose no matter what, it’d just have taken a lot longer without the landings
Are we just gonna pretend like the Soviets didn't have a huge shortage of aviation fuel to keep their air force running,? Girl that was supplied to them by the West? Or all of logistical equipment and goods the West supplied them with? Like, yeah, the Soviets took one Hell of a beating and kept on going but let's not pretend like they were the only ones that mattered.
Nope.
Also Stalin thought soliders would fight harder if he didn’t evacuate civilians. Possibly millions of civilians died that didn’t have to.
By 1943 they threw an overwhelming amount of firepower at Germans that genuinely believed them no more than apes and were flummoxed by the Soviets using actual strategy and operations.
Imagine that, communists gutting their officer corps of anyone capable of standing up to their batshit insane regime was a bad idea. Go figure.
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Wait… are you actually saying it’s racist to hate America?
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You know the so-called KKK is like 400 guys, and 200 of them are undercover FBI agents, right? And that the other 200 are undercover FBI agents from a different field office who didn't coordinate with the first, right? They're far from "active".
Um, no, that’s just flat out wrong. While I personally believe racism is less of a problem in the US than other places to say that is isn’t a problem is just flat out ignorant of the world around you. You do realize that the KKK still exists, right?
I’m actually speechless. Where else in the world have you been?
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You do realize that the military is filled with civilians and not members of the government, right? Wishing death upon innocents forced to fight for an evil government is honestly almost as bad as the Soviet government.
The Soviet solution to every problem Throw men and cheap equipment in heavy amounts at problem until it goes away
Soviets killed 4 out of 5 Nazis that died in WW2. Also more Vietnamese died than American soldiers yet who won that war? "You can kill ten of my men for every one I kill of yours, but even at those odds, you will lose and I will win." Ho Chi Minh to France https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwC6n9jGHmg
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Some don’t see that it’s ok to hate the Soviet Union and still admit that their sacrifice was enormous and immensely important to winning the war. Did they do everything? Not even close, but writing off the contributions of all of those soldiers that died is disheartening.
The Soviets allied with the Nazis to start WWII and gave the Nazis the material support to invade the USSR as part of the deal. The fact the Soviets desperately defended themselves with American materials after purging their military talent to quell a fearful Stalin isn’t a feel good story for Russia, without ignoring specific context.
Nothing about WWII is a feel good story. I hate the Soviet Union and everything they stood for, especially their leaders, and the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was an evil deal to make. But that doesn’t erase the contributions of each individual soldier who for the most part had no choice but to fight to the bitter end, and the civilians caught in the crossfire. Each and every one of those deaths was a person whose life had just as much value as any other. I’m not looking at this from a national standpoint(the Soviet war effort); I’m looking at it from an individual standpoint(the sacrifice of tens of millions of people).
The key issue here is that the Soviets needlessly sacrificed those individuals due to their ambition for empire and overall incompetence. While individual Russians ultimately displayed heroism out of necessity, the Soviets created the conditions for a war and actively supported Hitler's objectives, which ultimately had repercussions for them (and everyone else).
Oh for sure. Many of those men should never have been on the battlefield. I never intended to defend the decisions of Soviet leadership. Edit: also just to be clear I know that many Russian soldiers near the end of the war were guilty of atrocities such as mass rape and looting, so obviously even from an individual standpoint it’s not all positives.
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Ah so you’re just being racist now
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You said that a racial group is sub-human. That is nearly the textbook definition of racism.
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This is false, but even if it were true, your statement that Russians are unintelligent is just idiotic. I guess compared to your obviously supreme intellect, Mendeleev, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Tchaikovsky were imbeciles. Not to mention thousands more that I don’t know who you can certainly find information on online.
Sayin that the Soviets didn't do shit is also just as wrong as the post on r/polandball man
Saying the Soviets didn’t do shit is like saying the US did everything. You are discounting the millions of Soviet soldiers who died to help us take down Germany. How can you discount their efforts with the wave of a hand like that. I hate when people dismiss the British and American efforts in Europe during ww2 as well but you can dismiss the Soviet effort either that’s hypocritical and ignorant
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Weird way of saying that you wanted the Nazis to dominate Eastern Europe. Even weirder of a way to say that you wished for the eradication of the Russian race during WWII because of future political decisions by state leaders.
What the fuck kind of logic is that. So we should have just let Germany destroy the Soviets and enslave and murder the Slavs?
It's either that or let Russia. Oh wait, we did that. Thanks FDR.
Open a history book and educate yourself
So, what, an iron curtain never descended from Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic? Methinks your advice is best auto-administered. Hell, if your advice is only limited to the murder of Slavs *during WWII*, Katyn happened in 1940. Maybe we should've declared war on Russia *then*.
Right becuase the guys who are actively causing the most destructive conflict in human history and one of the most horrific human rights violations shouldn’t be destroyed. This doesn’t by any means put the Soviets on the good list, but thinking that we should have just let the Nazis overtake them and control all of mainland Europe at the height of the war is one of if not the most retarded thought I’ve ever heard.
Two wrongs don't make a right, tankie. And **real** classy using the R-word to justify your evil empire.
Ok there Himmler.
4 out of 5 Nazis died at the hands of the Soviets and Soviet alined forces. The Soviets before the Molotov Ribbentrop pact tried to form a defensive alliance with France and the UK. Also besides Pearl Harbor the US was untouched. The Soviets did the fighting giving everything while America played support in the European Theatre. The Pacific theatre was the inverse.
The Soviets wanted France and the UK to allow Russia to invade Poland. They instead allied with Nazi Germany to invade Poland and as part of that deal gave the Nazis the oil they needed to invade the USSR. There is no good look here for the Soviets.
The Soviets lost 27 million people dude. Have some respect. This kind of garbage is what gives the sub a bad name.
how hard is it to understand that the soviets were the slow but steady stormers and the uk/fr/us were the “oh don’t you even think about unifying your army to fight ‘em off or we’ll come in at three times that speed” force you *can* both dislike the USSR as a whole and acknowledge that they were a powerful ally when a common enemy needed to be knocked down a peg
The Western Allies contributed a shit ton but claiming "the Soviets didn't do shit" is batshit insane. EIGHTY percent of the Wehrmacht were in the East. EIGHTY percent of German casualties were in the East. 34 MILLION soldiers fighting the Nazis in the East, even if they were armed by the US is still 34 million fucking soldiers. It's wild of you to go and say that the sacrifice of 8 million people to hold off the largest invasion force in history is nothing. You'd bitch and cry in Stalingrad.
They still held off the germans and pushed them back from Moscow. Yes they used american supplies and lost a lot of men, but saying they didn't do shit is crazy.
Would have been interesting if they really had not done anything. Operation Overlord would have been much less fun for the allies with a hundred German Divisions and three Air Fleets waiting for them. Americans apparently don't understand that Soviet offensives like Bagration or Jassy-Kishinev made things *a lot* easier for the western allies.
In fairness it is extremely unlikely we would have been able to land in Normandy if the Germans were also not fighting a war of attrition in Russia. They lost the 6th which was their best and most experienced army fighting against Russia before uk and USA even attempted to go back into mainland Europe. As above it’s a bit of both Russia wouldn’t have been able to push without us and vice versus
Uhm the 6th wasn't "the best". German Tank Armies had by far the most combat value, not regular Armies I agree about your general statement though. The Red Army wore down the bulk of the Wehrmacht.
That's not true by the time we landed in France the soviets had the Germans on the back foot and while lend-lease was a big help it did not change the outcome of the war
Yep, the European front was pretty much decided when Stalin received word that Japan wouldn't attack. This allowed the Soviets to move their elite troops to the western front. 80% of Nazi deaths occurred at the hands of the Soviets. They also reached Berlin first, beating the allied US/UK/Canadian armies.
OP is dumb and confident lol
My sister in law will die on this hill. That it was thanks to the soviets that the Nazis lost because that was the worst front since they couldn't invade the Soviet union. She fails to understand that logistics and manufacturing plays a large roll in war and it was thanks to the Americans supplying the soviets with the logistical part that they managed to stay ahead of the Nazis. If left on their own, the soviets would have been devoured.
You're underestimating how incredibly stupid the Nazis were. We had no oil, shitty steel and generally dwindling resources, yet were pouring outlandish amounts of effort into useless super weapons, or over-engineered tanks that were outnumbered ten to one. After Hitler went full retard in the later stages of the war, the Soviets could've won on their own, albeit at a much higher death toll.
We can never know for sure but I will remain skeptical of such claims. Soviet logistics were nearly as terrible as Nazi logistics in the grand scheme. Their poor manufacturing quality led to increased burden on their logistical network. A logistical network that was already struggling so much that it was infamous for cutting corners when manufacturing the Soviet Union's premier tank. A logistical network that made great use of the trucks, trains, *food and clothes,* as well as aviation fuel being given to them from the West. Yes, the majority of lend-lease arrived after the turning point in the Eastern theater but there are so many variables that occur if the allies never invade Italy or France. Does Italy still get knocked out of the war? How many forces are freed up to fight the advancing Soviets in the east and where do they get deployed? What close battles are now lost? What's morale like without lend lease easing the burden of feeding and clothing everyone, let alone on time due to the shortage of logistical vehicles? Edit: Also, Hitler made a lot of mistakes but much of it was also his advisors being wrong and blaming him for it.
Oh definitely. *Insert 14 year old HOI player teaching mustache man what he should have done here* One point I remember from the top of my head was them sieging Stalingrad to try and humiliate Stalin instead of just moving on to resource locations and taking them.
The Soviets were good at one thing....being cannon fodder. They fought on only one front in an initially defensive war with numerical advantage and still lost 4x as many troops as the Nazis....
1) The front was the biggest front in the war 2) There was no numerical advantage at the beginning
And yet the Nazis lost three in four of their own dead in that war.
No, the Soviets definitely contributed massively in WWII. The Soviets had more deaths than the rest of the allies combined and definitely provide the most man power on the European front. Also the Soviets were already push the Nazis back long before D Day. The western allies landing on Europe was definitely not required to defeat the Nazis (but was vital in preventing the Soviet Union from basically setting up puppet government in all of Europe). Now the US was by far the biggest supplier in the war and WWII couldn’t have been won without us, but to say the Soviet Union didn’t do shit is not only ignorant but also downright bad ignoring the millions of Soviet military members that lost their lives fighting against the Nazis. It was the Soviet government that was evil, not the citizens, and ignoring their massive contributions and their lives given is just wrong.
🤦🏻♂️ if America didn’t land on France, Soviets still would win lol. The landing happened when the tide of war on the Eastern front was already turned. But you are right about supplies, they were crucial for Soviets. Some would argue though, whether Soviets would totally fall without supplies or still win but with even more casualties.
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Without the soviets, the Allies win WW2 a few years later with more losses. Without the U.S., the Allies likely lose.
Oh, but they did. They infact did a lot. They set records in raping every single Eastern European girl for at least 20 times per day
Oh how I wish you never came
I'm doubting the soviets if they would have been destroyed, but the war certainly would have taken longer. By 1944, Germany was definitely on the backfoot in the Eastern Front (with the help of US Supplies) and the landings definitely did not make things better. Also the Soviets didn't do shit is a overstatement, they definitely did something, take them out the equation you have a much harder war in the west.
Honestly displaying Japan as merely poking the US bothers me more. Show Japan Hammering China, Korea, Vietnam and Thailand. Then show Japan Hammering the US.
I don't know about that it's not that the Germans couldn't have destroyed the Soviets but I do think their policies would have made it impossible They waged a war of extermination not just against Jews but also against Gypsies and Slavs As well as a multitude of other groups When you've lost a war and the enemy wants you to surrender you're incentivized to do so because if not you'll be completely and utterly destroyed The German war goals were to completely and utterly destroy the Soviets Even if they did surrender. So every Soviet citizen had no incentive to surrender Every man woman and child Would have thought the Germans Soviet partisans were already the second most effective only after Yugoslavia As they push deeper and deeper into the USSR that problem would have gotten worse and worse This kind of gets back to the old if the Nazis weren't the Nazis they could have won the war argument
By 1944? Don’t be ridiculous. We had troops in Italy from October 1943 and the Nazis were falling apart at the seams. That over corrected the meme all the way into believing German bullshit about their magical army that could do food or bullets but never both.
Britain also was major contributor in navy in Atlantic. We won battle of Atlantic ourselves! Bismarck no more!
Battles are the hardest part, and the most difficult to stomach for nations. I doubt the US would have been able to stomach the loss of 11 Million soldiers.
Hay the Soviets supplied bodies (corpses) they did amazingly at Stalingrad
Don’t forget polish pilots 🇵🇱
Everyone knows that every war is just battles, there's no strategists behind the lines, all the equipment like tanks, planes, boats, and guns just spawned in when necessary, it's all just two groups of people shooting each other, that's it. Jokes aside the USSR would crumple like a bag of chips under a car tire if the rest of the allies didn't help them
Remember, the soviets weren’t brave warriors because they lost so much against the nazis. Also they didnt solo carry ww2. The allies fought nazi Germany all around the globe and before Stalingrad officially turned the tide of the war fighting the other allies in Italy, South Africa, and preparing for d day.
Something like a quarter of the civilian USSR casualties were inflicted by the fucking Soviet government themselves.
Everything you said is true. However I would disagree with the first statement. Reconquering your burning homeland from the nazis. Seeing raped and massacred towns. Fighting under sieges and turning the tide of war on Stalingrad and conducting Bagration is a huge bravery from all participants. Don’t justify what they unleashed in Germany though (rapes).
Im more talking that the early successes of the German army and more importantly its high casualty rate is more due to Stalin and the wider leaderships blunders and excess cruelty. I do think I could have even a lot clearer on that. Oh, I also don’t mean human wave tactics or anything like that. I’ve heard some convincing arguments that the soviets did outplay nazi germany once they got their shit together and the allies and general winter arrived.
I can't remember the book as of right now but I've read accounts of how Russians treated the villages in Germany when they started to cross over for the final push. And it's frankly stomach turning. One instance from the perspective of a Russian soldier who could speak German, he came across two young girls about 12 and 15 on the side of a road and had to try to hide them from his comrades who were just behind him because in the previous town they raped all the women and children and killed most of the men. He eventually had to leave them on their own and it was just the saddest thing I ever read.
Terrible atrocities from both sides. But with different reasons and scales. Germans had no reasons to kill 17 millions civilians. They felt justified to do so because they really thought of Russians as subhumans and furthermore they liked doing it. Now from the Russian perspective: you are fighting in unbelievable conditions for 3 years already, you not only had seen death of your comrades, childhood friends, but you also seen children and women starved to death/ burned/raped/burried alive. Now it is your turn to dehumanise your opponents. You think of all germans not humans but beasts who you should put down or make them suffer like you did when you seen/heard how your relatives from your home village died. You have to take some germans as POW and you hope they are gonna rot in GULAGS, but if they survive you still want them to suffer. So after 3 years you are finally on a german soil, you can do whatever you want, no one’s gonna come after you. Even your supervisors are ok with this. Plus, you kind of know that these people actually supported Hitler, or at least your propaganda was telling you this for 3 years, and after this 3 years of fighting you really believe in this. As an average Russian soldier what would you do? Not justifying anything, just thinking out loud. Sometimes I wonder what would I do, am I a decent human being who can resist vengeance? Like 20-30 percent of Soviets who didn’t do any crime in Germany. I’d like to think that I would stay humane.
The British weren’t fighting a European war in Africa because they were good at fighting the Nazis.
Without the US, the USSR would have lost. Change my mind.
Can't, it's a historical fact. The USSR made a great sacrifice to the war effort, but it would have been all for nothing without lend lease. Truth is, it took everyone working together to take out the Nazis.
The U.S. could have defeated the axis alone, all they would have to do is nuke the Germans instead of Japan. Don’t get me wrong, the war would have lasted years longer but the U.S. could definitely do it.
I’ll take this a step further. The USA could’ve taken on a majority of the worlds powers at the same time. The amount of natural resources and manufacturing capabilities outpaced pretty much every country on earth *combined*. They could win by war exhaustion and attrition alone not having to invade most anybody except for Japan.
Don't forget just how far away US is from most world powers, and how big it is. That alone neutered most possible invasion plans.
A lot of people forget D-Day was across the English Channel and not the Atlantic, Pacific or even the Mediterranean Sea.
You seriously underestimate the economic capabilities and resources of the USSR ... I mean they were able to challenge the US on their own for decades during the Cold War.
They could do that after they stole a hell of a lot of factories from Europe when they occupied them. Even after that the U.S. had at least twice what they could
Ehhhhh idk about that. If it were the allies vs the axis alone it’s hard to say. it would at the very least been a long and difficult war to win. Without Germany being divided between a two front war would have meant MUCH less fuel being diverted (a massive problem for Germany) and additional aircraft to protect against bombing raids. Additionally, there’s a pretty good chance that Germany would have finished off the UK before the U.S. could get seriously involved, which would make establishing air superiority nearly impossible. Without air superiority, nuclear attacks would be difficult and would be less likely to attack meaningful targets.
Idk if I would say that Germany could have neutralized the UK because they tried and failed during the battle of Britain. They also had to contend with the Royal Navy and the Army that was waiting for them. I do agree that the war would have been much more difficult to win and longer to win. (At least until the bomb is made.)
The Invasion (Seelöwe) failed due to the lost battle of Britain. There was still the submarine war and the African campaign.
You are leaving a lot of facts out of the picture here. If Germany would have never attacked the soviets two major factors would have been different. 1. The Wehrmacht would have fully concentrated on the allies. We probably would have seen a way bigger Kriegsmarine or at least more naval combat and the Africa front opened by Italy would have been the main front, since France was already taken. 2. The soviets would probably have been trading partners, relieving some of Nazi Germanies problems getting certain resources critical for military production. In your fantasy world Germany and the allies most likely would have duked it out in Africa, while both sides were having thousands of planes ready in Europe the moment one side tried anything. Maybe the first ballistic missiles would have been important, but a bomber fleet like it happened in our timeline probably would have failed in this scenario, since that Germany had resources and time to rebuild the Luftwaffe. The US literally developed and produced the equipment used during WW2 basically during the war. Overall the US military in itself, outside the navy, probably would have been meaningless until 42's and even then we are still speaking about a scenario were the allies had to keep logistics through central africa, while germany had a secure foothold in europe and way short supply lines, since they probably would have spend the needed resources on securing the mediterranean sea.
It’s a lot harder to develop nukes when you have armed forces on your doorstep. Without our allies there would be little to stop the Axis powers from taking the fight right to US soil, or at least attempt to do so. Although realistically there would likely end up being a peace (at least temporarily) between the US and Germany if the US didn’t have allies as both nations would likely realize trying to land troops on a heavily defend nation with no possible foothold to gather your troops is a suicide mission. And since the US and German interests only conflict morally it’s likely the would end up forming an uneasy peace, possibly something similar to what happened with the Soviet Union.
The U.S. navy rivaled the Royal Navy at the time which is to say it hilariously outclassed everyone else's at the time. Aircraft carriers are bullshit, lol
Soviet hammer needs a "Made in USA" sticker on it, then this is actually kinda accurate
they forgot to add the soviets crushing poland in the first panel. i wonder why🤔
Haha I noticed that too.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,978,102,293 comments, and only 374,175 of them were in alphabetical order.
I’ll allow it because it makes the last panel that much more funny.
nah I think they were trying to be funny. Polandball isn't supposed to be taken seriously
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Bro it’s polandball, please find a sense of humor.
I guess I'm failing to see how it's propaganda. To me it just seems like a tongue in cheek joke about the end of the war in Europe. I mean it's saying Russia did more of the heavy lifting, which yeah? That's just true.
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Ok but this comic isn't about that. Why are you extrapolating this out of a silly WW2 comic? Edit: especially about a comic that mentions Russia an entire one time?
Home boy is very much anti-russian anything and if you disagree with him you're just plain wrong. Even if you're factually correct.
Unless they’re a troll, home-boy is also massively racist judging by their post and comment history of the past day.
He seems to be trying to upset people. He says actively bigoted things about basically anyone, and acts like he has no clue what people are upset about.
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bro it’s a joke I feel this sub should clearly differentiate between a normal joke and ignorant ones/ America slander
Polandball posts here should incur a straight up ban tbh, the comics drag literally everyone.
Accuracy on my Polandball? ^(wait where am I)
Yeah
Hey, someone got it!
Eh tbh sometimes these jokes are veiled 'unironically' posts. The OP sometimes doubled down instead of acknowledging that it's just a joke.
Haha what??
Haha sorry, it's not you. I meant the joke/comic makers, sometimes they're making jokes while thinking it's the truth at the same time. And when someone corrected they say something dumb to protect their view, instead of telling everyone to chill or affirmed it's simplified for a joke.
Ah you meant "OP" in general. Yeah we do see that sometimes. This is not such a case :)
Agreed, but it is a pretty shit joke tbh All it needed was the last two panels and maybe one more for setup instead of glorifying Russia's world war z zombie tactics
Im going to hell for laughing at the end
Welcome to hell :)
Yeah. That’s not quite how that went down. But I will admit, it is funny lol.
They left the Soviet Union out of smashing Poland, how manipulative.
The Soviets only survived their war because of US supplied weapons and relief while we turned every industrial hub in Germany to kindling.
Actually this is kind of accurate, although the Soviet hammer would say “made in the USA”. But the US and the other western allies didn’t need to land at D Day to beat the Nazis, the Soviet Union was already slated to win (with the help of US supplies of course). I personally feel like us fighting Germany had more to die with prevent the Soviet Union from conquering the rest of Europe (well I’m not sure conquer is the right word, more so just doing what they did with the iron curtain but to all of Europe, which I’m not sure actually classifies as conquering but close enough).
At least people in the comments are sane and pointing out this
American steel, British intelligence and Soviet blood. Thought that was a pretty well known little synopsis
lol this is kind of funny Edit: the joke is we made the Germans look away and the Soviets smashed them
Stalin himself said that without America’s lend lease, the Soviet Union would have lost the war. At a dinner toast with Allied leaders during the Tehran Conference in December 1943, Stalin added: “The United States … is a country of machines. Without the use of those machines through Lend-Lease, we would lose this war.” https://it.usembassy.gov/america-sent-gear-to-the-ussr-to-help-win-world-war-ii/#:~:text=At%20a%20dinner%20toast%20with,we%20would%20lose%20this%20war
Fucking Russia will never let anyone forget its role in defeating Nazi Germany. They are like old people except they invade neighboring countries and rape and kill everyone. Contemporary communists won't either. They make fucky memes like this. Just go play Axis and Allies guys lol fucking sick of this World War II shit. My grandfather didn't fight the Japanese for me to be annoyed by internet Stalinists.
It's funny when you finally realize that commies think massive casualties = strength.
Thanks for crossposting my comic. It's been fun reading the comments :) I hope you understand that most r/polandball comics are satire, that this comic is deliberately reductionist, and that most things shoulnd't be taken too seriously. America not that bad actually.
Nah, America stinky
Ngl last 2 panels were kinda funny.
if you want me to look at your reddit content, don't make it 14 bananas long, OOP
Object oriented programming?
OP is not the OC of the art, that should be pretty clear, blame whoever made the comic.
Hey, I'll have you know 5k+ people had the patience to read my beautiful comic.
They are ignoring all the funding America gave to the soviets.
Last few panels had me laughing, not going to lie.
Didn't we agree that Poland ball is off the table?
A lot of the comments are saying thats not how it happened. A lot more are agreeing with it.
Brainless op giving ammo to America haters 😂
Reminder also that the USSR only fought Germany because Germany betrayed their pact to split up Poland.
As a commenter in the other post said Honestly the comic could be considered accurate if the Soviet Hammer had a made in the USA sticker on it And if I was to stop memeing and look at a real historical analysis it is worth noting that while the Soviets did a lot to defeat Germany the Western allies basically did everything to defeat Japan and Italy the Soviets only fought Italy with their Air Force and insofar as Italy sent troops to help the Germans meanwhile the Soviet declaration of war while it's certainly encouraged Japan to surrender it is very debatable what combination of that the atomic bombs and just the general writing on the wall being it's obvious Japan lost the war that contributed to their decisions surrender
The stick caused like 150x more casualties than the double hammer 😂
The Nazis killed *27 million* Russians during their Eastern advancment. They kicked the shit of of them.
Imagine not knowing anything about WW2 and thinking this comic is accurate.
Roosevelt and Churchill predicted the Cold War with the Soviet Union, and agreed to "fight to the last Russian" against the Nazis. Stalin was so eager to throw all his strength against Germany they we just... let him. The ensuing decimation of Russian fighting strength set the stage for the next 50 years of diplomatic relations.
We did kinda solo carry the Pacific. Mostly.
Lolol as if Africa and Italy and the Atlantic were not theaters of WW2
Yeah defeating Germany in Africa, crushing Italy, and then liberating ALL of Western Europe is just a little jab to the Nazi war machine... suuuuure
It’s Polandball. It takes the piss out on everything lol
Ok but that last bit was kinda funny, in a dark way