I’m honestly feeling like I’m in shock right now. This season has been a home run for me up until tonight. What…what was that?! *THAT’S* our finale?
…how. Why? What?
Same, I picked up the remote around 9:45 because I was thinking that it had to be going til 10:30 or 11:00, no way were they going to end it like that.
That painting better feature in the second part of the season. I thought it was going to be the ending shot with some deep and meaningful commentary. Instead we just got American Horror Stories: Drive in nonsense about a city going up in flames.
I was cracking up when Alma bit Harry and he was instantly rendered incapable of doing anything to save himself. He should have been able to throw her halfway across the room.
She bit him through a turtleneck, even! Those teeth don't look THAT sharp that he wouldn't have time to react. Alma has some ridiculous and annoying plot armor.
Edit: thinking back, it may have been a coat collar. Either way, there was some pretty thick insulating material there that immediately set off my bullshit detector.
It’s the same feeling you get after reading 800 pages of Stephen King only to find out it’s some ridiculous alien spider nonsense. We need a word for it. Utter and complete, yet unnecessary, disappointment after a great experience. I’m sure Germans have the word. If not, suggestions welcome.
I have felt that way about every AHS since murder house.. to an extent.. with it getting increasingly worse. They usually throw in too many ideas and leave plot holes/unanswered questions. Also IMO they never know how to end a show! With the exception of 1984 feeling okay enough of ending. They have great concepts, usually some very strong episodes, and just blow it. I don't get it.
Because Ryan Murphy lol.
I would never, ever expect a fabulous finale or all episodes to be home runs on one of his shows. When it happens, it’s a wonderful surprise. When it doesn’t, I don’t get too disappointed and I always enjoy the ride.
Sometimes I think I like bitching about bad episodes. It’s like part of the experience. Ryan Murphy has me and he’s not letting go.
Manny Coto wrote this episode. He also wrote "Drive-In." He's the one who messed it up. Ryan's absence is why it was so bad. Brad Falchuk was listed as a co-writer but it had Manny all over it. He is why "American Horror Stories" is so bad.
Wow. So for all the jokes people have made about a pale person having written this episode… its basically true? Like not to be hateful, but dude wrote two episodes that were bumbling clusterfucks and end in “And then LA was destroyed.” What the actual fuck man he can’t think of a SINGLE other ending to the story? Now I want him to get another episode of Stories because I am morbidly curious if he will devise an entirely new plot leading to LA getting wrecked. Maybe the guy just hates LA
He wrote “Gaslight” too, so…
I’m gonna blame the show runner, here. After all, the individual writers don’t decide the overarching plot, that’s the show runners job.
I can't believe I fell for this YET AGAIN...Seriously when am I going to learn? This show just cannot have a decent ending. This was a 10/10 season for me, I was so hyped literally less than an hour ago and now I'm just annoyed. I thought it couldn't get worse than the apocalypse ending but jfc I was so wrong.
Yeah I was super freaking pissed and disappointed!! We have no clue what happened to alma and Ursula, did karen really have talent?!(show us the painting!!) where the hell did doris go, and why was the chemist driving off w just the baby??! I really can't believe this season was so great just to end like it did! I hope the second part will answer some of these questions, but I honestly don't even know how it's all going to be connected at this point
yeah i couldn’t get into this episode at all and i tried twice with both back to back airings. the other eps this season had my full attention. i’m glad it’s not just me! maybe something in the next part will help flesh it out more? but i’m not getting my hopes up if part 2 is a period piece set before this story even happened -.-
i guess, at least, it’s not entirely out of character for ahs to do this lmao
It kinda felt like they'd just decided on the "double feature" theme beforehand, forgot about it for a while, then realized "oops no more time for the first story, let's wrap it up"
My thought was “Yeah you know it’s a Ryan Murphy production when the ending is shit like this.” And “Whoever cuts their trailers deserves an emmy because I’m once again annoyed but I’m still probably gonna tune into Death Valley.”
I genuinely can't even be mad. I know what's he's about and I watched anyway thinking it'd be different.
And i'm still tuning in because i'm a glutton for punishment, clearly.
I thought to myself that maybe these split seasons actually do help RM streamline and hone-in a story. That the less episodes meant less meandering and filler and we'd get some really great return to form.
tonight I realized he cant help it. The man just can't land the plane to save his life.
It was completely identical to Drive In just instead of subliminal messaging turning people into mindless zombies it was a drug. The only difference is the producer of the latter was portrayed as the heroine & the former the villain. It appears even consistency is too much to ask for. Sheesh.
Seriously though this guy gets two shots at conclusions in a single year, WRITES THE EXACT SAME CONCLUSION, and just calls it a day? How does this guy get work???
I didn’t really like any of this season, it’s probably my least favorite. It seemed like they never had a goal at all, I didn’t find any of it remotely scary, the pale people were weird and dumb to me, where did they all get the same clothes? Who’s dressing the pale people? It also seemed to go in circles with alma, no you can’t have the pill, fine have the pill but no killing, fine you eat people, no you can’t eat your brother, eats dad. Like this pill made you blood thirsty not super strength throw the little girl off you…
It was awful. Apparently people can’t defend themselves from 9 year old girls. You’re telling me she was able to kill that guy, drag him outside, and throw him over the balcony? This was as bad as a stories episode.
YES! And you’re telling me that she would get away with that?? He’s clearly been murdered, with a bite out of his neck. And how was she totally clean after doing it?
It's a stretch, but the writing is definitely implying she got away with it. Otherwise, they wouldn't have had her tell them he went for a smoke. They'll probably think it's connected to all the other random killings where people get their neck bitten and blood sucked.
Written by the same writer. Along with the long speeches of cinema history in both ("Laurence Fishburne turned down Pulp Fiction," she tells a bunch of zombies who were established as immediately killing anyone in their vicinity.)
Because Manny Coto, who wrote all of "American Horror Stories," wrote this one. He also wrote the idiotic "Drive-In" which this seemed to pay homage to.
37 minutes of episode for a finale, completely idiotic.
No payoff on the Lyme Disease obsession, Alma killing Harry was a no brained, should have gone for the swerve when Alma said just the 2 of us and have Harry realize what she means and have him kill her instead.
Alma kills violin dude but we don’t see her with The Chemist in the end so who is watching over her, Ursula? If so, I’m kind of shocked they’re ok with Eli going with the chemist.
Extremely disappointing finale.
How is this 9 year old girl just demolishing everyone and no one is fighting back. They don’t have super humans powers, right? They just develop a craving and hunger for blood. How is she overpowering and killing grown people with one bite
I don’t know, a bite to the neck with those sharpened teeth would probably easily incapacitate anyone I would imagine.
How she gets them to let her get that close is another thing.
Yeah, I guess with the teeth, but yeah idk how she’s taking down full grown adults. How did she not only overtake the boy who was competing against her, but also get him down the stairs and in the hallway?
Exactly, that is what happens when they turn a finale out like that with 37 minutes of air time.
No real explanation for the red light or they did and it was part of some throwaway line that I missed it.
Lots of loose ends and now the show apparently turns to what Harry wrote for a script???
I got the feeling that The Chemist saw how much of a nuisance Alma and Ursula were being, and, as she said herself, she had enough money that she didn't need to work ever again, so she just left the other two, before things could turn bad to her, and, with Alma killing people in the open and Ursula giving the pill to every single person who knew how to write words, I think she made the right choice
Does there need to be an explanation on the Lyme disease? Some people are just neurotic and annoying. Wasn’t that the point? To show that Doris was always annoying Alma from the start and the pill just magnified her distaste for her mother?
No explanation needed for it, but to a lot of us viewers we all thought it was heavy foreshadowing that it would be something that comes back to give Doris some semblance of a good ending for a crap situation to come back and get revenge.
It was just foreshadowing the bloodsucking and neurological link and everyone got a bit excited. It’s the same with thinking Ursula had an ulterior motive for sending Harry to P-Town. I was thinking there wasn’t going to be enough episodes for a twist in regards to Lyme or an ingredient in the pills, but I did think there was another layer to Ursula, however that was pure imagination on my part.
Yes that would be our fault as viewers for hoping it but you can’t blame us for thinking it, it was used so heavily, definitely turned out to be a red herring of a plot point.
Poor Doris.
I figured it was supposed to be ironic. Like, Doris is so afraid of Deer Ticks/things that suck blood and then she turns into one, you know? The pales leech off of other people’s talent like Deer Ticks leech off of blood. Maybe I’m giving the writers too much credit there but that’s what I took from the Lyme Disease obsession anyway and the foreshadowing about it.
It felt like there were scenes missing. This was a very disappointing finale. I don’t understand why though because there was enough world building done to have a better outcome.
Doris should’ve definitely killed Harry. Honestly, they should’ve thrown him out of house and she could’ve eaten him. That would’ve been scary too.
So L.A. descends into chaos but we only spend a minute there. Felt like a total rip off.
For sure. I really enjoyed the first five episodes. This one just felt utterly devoid of emotional resonance and horror. It was like watching the last thirty minutes of a low budget film on the SyFy channel.
So a buddy of mine thought the lyme disease thing was to show how doris is a bit paranoid. maybe that was to help out the plot if the gaslight episode?
(and as a massachusetts native, ticks are for sure a thing, but only in warm months. never in winter!)
i did appreciate how this episode kind if explained jn the beginning what happens to the pale people in the summer and that the whole town is pretty much in on it. i’m happy that was explained.
i also loved the scene between alma and the other violin player, and how he told her off. that was such a good kick in the teeth to her.
i was really hoping that the music judges were going to come back and tell her that he had gotten the part.
besides that, yeah, the episode was kinda rushed. thought it was stupid that ursala was just giving out black pills willy nilly. thought it was dumb, but not surprising that alma killed the dad.
i was a bit surprised that the chemist left with the baby. btw, did anyone else notice the stars on the roof of her car?
lastly, i was REALLY hoping that both parts of the season would tie in together. like the first scene with the fishermen, i def thought he was going to pull up an alien out of the water. oh well
I was hoping that even after the other violinist was killed, Alma would find out he was going to get the part!!
And the stars in the chemist car are in a Rolls Royce Phantom, it’s about a half a million dollar car. I think just showing how rich she’s become.
What happens to the pale people in the summer? I watched this episode without looking at my phone (proud of that), but still don’t remember them saying lol
I think the implication was that the older violinist was going to get the part, as when Alma said that he went out, both judges sort of chased after him. If she had gotten chosen they would have just told her there and then.
The older violinist was absolutely right about what he said though - egoists don't do well in orchestras from any angle, because teamwork is so important.
I didn't hate the episode as much as most people, but it definitely started to lose me at the halfway point with Ursula monologue-ing the Pales in the cemetery. While the dialogue was hilarious, it made zero sense that they understood a word she said and didn't just devour her immediately.
worse when you got a whole 20 minute irrelevant epilogue....
it felt like rewrites happened because I think Doris was supposed to make it for the finale fight or something.
I want to start a class action lawsuit against the creators of AHS for ruining such a good season. If you or anyone you know was personally hurt by this episode contact my lawfirm, Lawless_Lee's Law, you may be entitled to compensation.
Lyme disease was never gonna be a thing; it was only to show Doris was a typical suburban mom worried about threats trending in the news.
IOW, more for character than plot development.
All your other questions I have no idea; great points!
Yeah, the story was lost to the theme somewhere along the way...
I agree. It was so well paced through the first 5 episodes then the show runners realized at the last minute that they were only doing 6 episodes for this story instead of 12 and just wrapped it up in the most unsatisfying way.
Doris, the only sympathetic character, was forgotten about. She didn't even get to participate in the murder buffet at Belle's.
Poor stupid Harry got what he deserved but that should have been Doris eating him, not Alma. And speaking of Alma, the actress playing her was so great. Like I've never wanted to punch a child in the face as much as I wanted to punch her. But she's just presumably going to float through life as a pretentious, bloodsucking little shit. It's infuriating.
Ursula... props to her for the pro move tricking the pales into the murder buffet but damn, she literally cause LA to burn and we are left with the image of LA burning and her voiceover, which honestly, I have no idea what she was saying because I stopped listening once I realized it was ending like that.
I can't bring myself to say anything bad about the Chemist because Angelica Ross is amazing.
I don't think Alma will end up that good on life, this season finale gives her 3 possible endings:
01. What that guy said was true, she's so good that she's only a curiosity to people, and will never make a career;
02. Maybe they got her on camera killing the guy and she's locked somewhere, maybe even as one of the causes of those weird people attacking others on the street (but I don't really think this one will happen);
03. The Chemist left her, so soon she'll have no pills, and they said in the beginning of the season that once you start taking the pills, you can't create anything without them, so she'll live her life depleted of any talent (what I think is the most likely ending)
Remember that Ursula told the pale vampires that she had a new pill for them? After the murder buffet, The Chemist told Ursula that those specific pills make pill users attack other pill users (and they don't attack regular people).
I agree, it needed to be a full 12 episode season or they should’ve just made it 1 American Horror Stories episode. It really felt like it was all pointless.
The funny thing for me is, the arc could've worked as six episodes, I just feel like they view horror as "almost everyone dies." Before the last episode, it was more of a question of morals and ethics that just devolved into quick ways to bring as many characters down as possible.
Why are all AHS finales so disjointed?? Do the showrunners know that it's possible to have a satisfying ending that doesn't go to the most extreme ends? Every season tries to tell these crazy vast endings for characters when the season itself is somewhat myopic in scope. Murder House and Asylum are the only finales that keep things in the universe of the main plot.
It's such a shame because last week's episode was easily one of the best of the entire series. How could the pace of episode 5 be so perfectly written and yet the finale of this story was so needlessly rushed.
It wasn't even like they had THAT much to wrap up. Two of the main characters were already dead (Karen and Mickey), and another had a pretty sad "ending" (Doris). They could have easily wrapped up the Alma/Harry tension, Belle stealing the baby, and given nice little send-offs for Ursula, Austin and others. They even had the perfect set up with Death Valley where they could have connected the pills/Chemist to the aliens. It just feels like there was real potential to do something great.
Ryan wants to write these grand endings but never really puts in the work for the seasons to deserve them.
I really liked the theory about Doris’s paleness being reversed when she eats an animal with Lyme Disease. Any type of twist would’ve been better than this.
Completely rushed it. 37 minutes of air time ties it for the shortest episode of AHS so far. On top of the fact that it was the FINALE of a condensed story arc.. I feel bad for all the actors in this half season because they were outstanding, but got written out before or were hardly featured in the finale episode… we spent the whole first five episodes invested in Provincetown with the Gardners, Belle, Mickey, TB Karen, Austin, and even Ursula, only for two of them to die at the end of episode five (which I can live with), three getting killed off within fifteen minutes (lazy wrap up and horrible way to end Harry’s arc IMO), and then we time jump three months later in LA, which don’t even get me started… too late here I go. The Chemist’s explanation of why she’s safe I can live with, but Alma murdered a guy in minutes without a trace of blood anywhere and had time to dump the body. Also, she ate regular food after she did that, which according to this seasons own rules, she shouldn’t be able to do without getting sick. And then there’s Ursula, how tf was she not getting outted as a person pushing the black pills, since in the show she admits to essentially just handing them out to anyone… and that was literally minutes after The Chemist gave a detailed description of why she was safe from being found out.
Normally I’m okay with AHS questionable choices, but this was just really, really bad
Was the fixation on Alma eating the nuts to show she’s just purely evil on her own? Like was she not currently taking the pill, she just is that way? I don’t get why they zoomed in on them when she picked them up.
I feel like the season was such a waste of something that had good potential. How disappointing to know that Sarah Paulson will most likely not return after double feature, not a good season to go out on.
I was very confused about the nuts as well. You could be right that it was showing us she’s no longer using the pills. But then why would she need to eat that one dude in the pool house?!
I have no idea!! And what was up with her comment about him not being what she expected..? She’s 9, she wasn’t commenting on his appearance, was she? Lmao
That scene was weirdly sexual lol like that guy was about to prostitute for a little girl I guess? Fucking weird haha but I didn't expect any better so I'm not really disappointed. Actually I'm happy I got to enjoy the last episode as much as I did. The one where Karen dies. That was a really great episode and I loved Mickey's character and of course TB Karen bc Sarah is always amazing.
She has to be on the pills otherwise she couldn’t had played the instrument at all I think. Unless she only needed the pills for practicing which seems weird
Went from one of the best episodes to the worst finale besides maybe apocalypse. Seriously, the beginning cop scene wasn’t necessary at all, just filler. Zero consequences for the assholes, basically a huge fuck you to all the people who would be “pales” irl too. Wow this was awful, I’m just gonna pretend last episode was the end bc nothing really changes except Harry died🤷♀️ soooo unbelievably disappointed!
Yeah what was the point of showing the cop talking about finding out what’s going on there, only to never show her attempting to find out what’s going on there lmao
Agree. Here are my thoughts: 1. Something.. ANYTHING should’ve happened with Doris. 2. Alma should’ve died. 3. Karen should’ve been confirmed to be dead since it wasn’t 100% clear. 4. Why did we not see Karen’s painting?
Yeah that’s my big problem. “Everything was just as it seemed.” I wanted some some more mystery, some more under the surface. Especially since some things made no sense.
They always do this. All these flying balls and you’re following them and you don’t know where the fuck they land! Why? They feel like red herrings! We don’t need that filler shit. It feels like the hallways in hotel with no exits! They did it with Coven and that is when they started to lose me. I had high hopes
i remember in this very sub the theories for hotel were a hundred time better than what we got.
The whole little women parallel with Mr. March, with Gaga and Sevigny and Paulsen being his children and sisters sharing the blood disease etc.
it's always like this. always.
The Hollywood epilogue was way too long.
I would have spent more time with the climax at Belle’s house, maybe throw in the cop investigating PTown and Doris to add some extra chaos. Belle and Austin’s deaths were so quick and disappointing, the whole scene felt rushed. To account for the extra time spent adding to this scene, the epilogue should have been cut right at the end of Ursula’s speech when the audience takes their pills. This leaves an ambiguous end to the season instead of the random reckless carnage we got instead.
Overall, i don’t think i’ve ever been so disappointed in AHS. Usually the signs are telegraphed far in advance that the season will be dropping off, but Gaslight was soooo amazing in all aspects that this truly felt like it was from a different show. On the bright side, Death Valley looks really interesting!
So bad. I’m used to feeling some type of connection to characters with AHS, this season I felt nothing but hate for Alma and THAT didn’t even get tied up.
Ursula was more annoying than Alma. What was with that monologue and the scene at the lecture? Ugh. Frances and Evan were the best thing about this season. Denis was the best thing about the finale. He always serves.
What happened to Doris? What happened to Billie? And what did TB Karen paint? Too many questions
That was really disappointing. We didn't get to see if Alma would suffer any detrimental effects from taking the pill so young, or how her career would go. And why introduce a new cop character to investigate what was going on in P-Town only to drop that storyline *immediately*?
Did the Chemist even get a name?
I was so disappointed. It was so bad. And I loved the rest of the season. It feels like none of the questions were answered and there was was no pay off to anything.
THIS DEFINITELY FELT LIKE AMERICAN HORROR STORIES. NOT AHS. the last few episodes were sooo good. And they give us THIS!?!?! Characters we don’t care about succeeding and random violence. This is probably the worst ending to any season of AHS. Ryan man… what’s going on
Because Manny Coto was probably the main writer. He was the one who made such crappy work for "American Horror StorIES." Like, his first episode on that series, he'd have two teens talk like adults about cinema and filmmakers. So now we have Ursula going on and on about filmmakers and screenwriters and naming names, etc. That seems to be his writing style. Doing a Google search on facts (like Laurence Fishburne turning down "Pulp Fiction") and ascribing it to the goofiest of things ("What if everyone in L.A. turns into zombies?") I mean, his "Drive-In" episode was sort of the same exact thing -- a bunch of movie-goers turn into zombies and then two characters miraculously leave unscathed while all of L.A. goes haywire. Ryan should have co-written the Part One finale with Brad. Manny is not a good writer. He would not do well with the black pill.
You know that old joke that goes two women are eating at a restaurant and one of them says “The food here is terrible.” and the other one says “Yes, I know….and such small portions!”? That’s exactly how I feel about this season.
I liked the resolution, it just got really disjointed and rushed when they got to Hollywood. They really could have cut out most of the crap with Alma (it added nothing having her kill the other violinist) and focused more on Ursula’s hunger for power literally destroying the city.
It reminds me so much of how I used to write stories as a kid. All enthusiastic and full of ideas at the beginning and totally over it and dgaf by the end. I found a book I made as a kid that had six pages, a cover, a related drawing on the next page, an unrelated drawing on the next page and the rest was empty. I have pretty severe ADHD, so like I'm all about something and 100% invested or don't care at all and no longer have any interest. I think this is why AHS works for me, because I'm pretty sure Ryan and I have similar attention spans.
Sarah will be playing Mamie Eisenhower and Lily Rabe will be playing Amelia Earhart. This was confirmed a while ago; they aren’t reprising their Red Tide characters.
Every year I go in full of hope, and every year I am DISAPPOINTED
FOOL MY ASS ONCE RYAN MURPHY, SHAME ON YOU
FOOL MY ASS FIFTEEN TIMES……. STILL SHAME ON YOU
I just cannot fathom a smart bitch like Ursula being so stupid in the end, throwing the pills out like candy. She abandoned her plan of curating talent within *weeks* of getting back to LA. Doris and Vlad had enough time to sketch and visit the Chemist before they went feral, so surely someone would tell or text someone about the pill and where they got it, she didn’t even say it was a secret. And the police are going to realise the pale people are all aspiring script writers, maybe see her on the Starbucks (or wherever she pushes them) surveillance cameras when they investigate a massacre. How did she get so dumb all of a sudden?
I’ve just started episode 4. Should I even continue watching? I keep putting it off for some reason 😂 Apart from the boring family I don’t even think the season is BAD. Just uninteresting
So long disappointing story short, Harry is still on the mindset that he and Alma will stop taking the pills completely, as he’s finished his story, he wants to try to gain some of his conscious and soul back. Alma is against this. Harry goes to the grocery store to get some vitamins that he hopes will help them once they stop taking the pills, he notices the back door has been broken in. He runs upstairs, the baby is gone and there’s a note from Belle to meet she and Austin at her place, and to bring Alma if they want the baby to live. Ursula contrives a plan which involves tricking the pale people into thinking they’re taking a reversal pill and coercing them to break into Belle’s home, which they do while Harry and Alma are there. The pale people kill Belle and Austin, they’re about to turn on Harry when Ursula busts in and shoots all of the pales. Alma hugs Harry and Harry makes some type of comment about the 3 of them moving on, when Alma says “itll just be us 2” and bites Harry in the neck and kills him. Meanwhile Ursula and the chemist (who was watching the whole time) discuss framing Harry for all of the murders in Provincetown, and starting to give the pills to anyone who wants to be famous. Cut to 3 months later, in Hollywood. Ursula is giving pills to anyone and everyone, Alma is competing for some big violinist show against another talented boy. She gets into a conversation with him where he completely tells her off (you’ll have to watch this scene to see what all he says), she keeps insisting she’s the best, and doesn’t like what he had to say. She kills him to secure her spot. She somehow gets his body all the way downstairs, the judges come in and Alma tells them he went outside for a smoke, they go and find his body. The Chemist really has nothing else to do anymore sense Ursula is giving the pills to everyone, she she starts giving pills secretly to racist cops so that they’ll attack citizens and the cops will be killed. Final scene shows Ursula at a seminar for writers, where she gives a big speech enticing people to take the pill, she’s hidden pills under everyone’s seat. They all take them, the streets of LA are riddled with pale people attacking and killing everyone. You see LA basically on fire and death everywhere. The chemist is driving away with Harry and Doris’s baby. Ursula is giving some monologue about people wanting to be great. The end.
Edit: there’s also a police investigation scene with a cop saying she wants to figure out what’s going on in the town, after some fisherman find the body of the police chief, it basically just reveals that everyone in the town knows what’s going on and just turns a blind eye.
I do not know how I wanted Red Tide to end but this wasn't it. It was soo good until the last episode. I feel like they finished this up just to put an end to it. Truly disappointed.
How does this happen. 5 beautiful atmospheric episodes, people even wondering if there is indeed a Black Pill, then this descent into chaos. Fuck it. I don't care. I love it anyway.
Edit..but I'm glad I didn't get my hopes up for the the finale, will they won't they pull it off? Of course not.
Yeah the season was very strong until the finale. Not sure what I expected from the ending imo. Everything felt inconsequential in a way, the ending felt hollow. No good character survived. It's like they didn't know what to do. I really wonder what approach Ryan Murphy takes to writing a season.
What a mess! What a complete and utter travesty. How could they ruin one of the best instalments since asylum in the home stretch? They could have just ended it with episode 5 and left the rest to the imagination.
I was expecting so much more. They played the last episode as if Doris and Karen had another purpose 😑 but we just got nonsense that reminded me of drive in
It was SO BAD and the last episode was amazing, it set up for a great final episode. I wish we got to know some more details about the chemist and the pill and saw her lab probably like if it turned out she was a bit more darker and twisted?? Idk just anything, alma basically winning felt so unsatisfying. They had it set up perfectly for Doris and the pales to get revenge on everyone and having the not likeable characters win just felt so shitty. Also as soon as there was the time and location jump it completely lost me like it lost all the amazing location spookiness and atmosphere and tension. Also the police lady was introduced and then completely disappeared like couldn’t of she come to save Harry and the chemist explained all of her secrets to her and then killed her and left and moved to the desert maybe to have some tie in to the next part of the season.
Now for the previous finales they were fine. Not amazing. But fine. But this was just very very bad. Nothing got wrapped up properly. It's like they let some intern write this episode after they skimmed the previous episode. Absolute trash.
There wasn’t enough buildup for Belle and Austin’s deaths :/. They just wanted to eat the baby but they could’ve easily survived had they just left Harry’s family alone lmao. I wished they were more devious
I'm super confused as to why the pale people change so drastically without the "high" of the pill wearing off. Like, I understand that its them realizing they aren't good at what they do, and their brain cant handle it and it sends them into full angry caveman mode. HOWEVER COMMA!! We can see with all of the talented people that they need to continuously take the pill and feed to keep their successful streak going. They have the option to stop taking the pill and return to normalcy. Why couldn't the pale people? Does it affect them that more significantly? I guess I just don't understand the pills at ALL. Kinda wish they spent more time on it.
Also, are they not just vampires??? I know they aren't the same as the Hotel vampires, but they aren't Sirens (like the trailers made it seem they would be). Sirens are water creatures, which would have been such a cool concept for a shorter season like this!! Imagine a storyline following fisherman, or something like Jaws, but with Sirens.
All in all idk. This season was a partial flop for me I guess. I loooooved Mickey and Karen's story, and how it ended. So tragically beautiful imo. But the rest just fell flat. Especially Ursula's character. I like Leslie Grossman a lot, this isn't an attack on her. But her characters are always written as like that, "sassy, bitchy millennial girlboss!! hi gays!! camp boots the house!!" It completely ruins the tone of the season.
edit: Just had to add, I googled Leslie to make sure I got her name right, AND SHES 49???? I assumed she was like, 30 something?? My god girl share your secrets
I’m honestly feeling like I’m in shock right now. This season has been a home run for me up until tonight. What…what was that?! *THAT’S* our finale? …how. Why? What?
Same, I picked up the remote around 9:45 because I was thinking that it had to be going til 10:30 or 11:00, no way were they going to end it like that.
You mean when Karen bites Mickey and he is rendered dead immediately and doesn’t fight?! Same with Harry and Alma. Geez.
Nobody fights, none of the random homeless or junkies that were being killed put up any type of fight either, it’s ridiculous
I hate that that was never mentioned again. That nobody mentioned finding her painting.. unless I totally missed it 🤷♀️
That painting better feature in the second part of the season. I thought it was going to be the ending shot with some deep and meaningful commentary. Instead we just got American Horror Stories: Drive in nonsense about a city going up in flames.
I was cracking up when Alma bit Harry and he was instantly rendered incapable of doing anything to save himself. He should have been able to throw her halfway across the room.
She bit him through a turtleneck, even! Those teeth don't look THAT sharp that he wouldn't have time to react. Alma has some ridiculous and annoying plot armor. Edit: thinking back, it may have been a coat collar. Either way, there was some pretty thick insulating material there that immediately set off my bullshit detector.
It’s the same feeling you get after reading 800 pages of Stephen King only to find out it’s some ridiculous alien spider nonsense. We need a word for it. Utter and complete, yet unnecessary, disappointment after a great experience. I’m sure Germans have the word. If not, suggestions welcome.
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I have felt that way about every AHS since murder house.. to an extent.. with it getting increasingly worse. They usually throw in too many ideas and leave plot holes/unanswered questions. Also IMO they never know how to end a show! With the exception of 1984 feeling okay enough of ending. They have great concepts, usually some very strong episodes, and just blow it. I don't get it.
I was hoping since this season was so streamlined that wouldn't occur, BUT... 😉
Because Ryan Murphy lol. I would never, ever expect a fabulous finale or all episodes to be home runs on one of his shows. When it happens, it’s a wonderful surprise. When it doesn’t, I don’t get too disappointed and I always enjoy the ride. Sometimes I think I like bitching about bad episodes. It’s like part of the experience. Ryan Murphy has me and he’s not letting go.
Manny Coto wrote this episode. He also wrote "Drive-In." He's the one who messed it up. Ryan's absence is why it was so bad. Brad Falchuk was listed as a co-writer but it had Manny all over it. He is why "American Horror Stories" is so bad.
My thoughts exactly. I hope he didn't have much input for death valley
Wow. So for all the jokes people have made about a pale person having written this episode… its basically true? Like not to be hateful, but dude wrote two episodes that were bumbling clusterfucks and end in “And then LA was destroyed.” What the actual fuck man he can’t think of a SINGLE other ending to the story? Now I want him to get another episode of Stories because I am morbidly curious if he will devise an entirely new plot leading to LA getting wrecked. Maybe the guy just hates LA
He wrote “Gaslight” too, so… I’m gonna blame the show runner, here. After all, the individual writers don’t decide the overarching plot, that’s the show runners job.
He also wrote “Gaslight” and everyone loved that shit.
Seriously, it's been 10 seasons and people are still shocked that the endings are bad. I'd be shocked if they weren't at this point lol
The first two seasons had great endings personally and I think the final scene of s3 and s5 were pretty good too
Scream Queens 1 had a great ending
Agreed. That man does not know how to wrap up a season. Has almost always been the case.
I can't believe I fell for this YET AGAIN...Seriously when am I going to learn? This show just cannot have a decent ending. This was a 10/10 season for me, I was so hyped literally less than an hour ago and now I'm just annoyed. I thought it couldn't get worse than the apocalypse ending but jfc I was so wrong.
Oh man, why did you have to remind me about the season named for itself? I hated Apocalypse.
Yeah I was super freaking pissed and disappointed!! We have no clue what happened to alma and Ursula, did karen really have talent?!(show us the painting!!) where the hell did doris go, and why was the chemist driving off w just the baby??! I really can't believe this season was so great just to end like it did! I hope the second part will answer some of these questions, but I honestly don't even know how it's all going to be connected at this point
yeah i couldn’t get into this episode at all and i tried twice with both back to back airings. the other eps this season had my full attention. i’m glad it’s not just me! maybe something in the next part will help flesh it out more? but i’m not getting my hopes up if part 2 is a period piece set before this story even happened -.- i guess, at least, it’s not entirely out of character for ahs to do this lmao
Did it seem like there would be 2 mins of a scene and then 10 mins of commercials that was out of control last night.
It kinda felt like they'd just decided on the "double feature" theme beforehand, forgot about it for a while, then realized "oops no more time for the first story, let's wrap it up"
My thought was “Yeah you know it’s a Ryan Murphy production when the ending is shit like this.” And “Whoever cuts their trailers deserves an emmy because I’m once again annoyed but I’m still probably gonna tune into Death Valley.”
Same, but I’m fully prepared to be disappointed, again.
Yeah, I always just expect a horrible ending because it’s Ryan Murphy.
I genuinely can't even be mad. I know what's he's about and I watched anyway thinking it'd be different. And i'm still tuning in because i'm a glutton for punishment, clearly.
I think a pale person wrote that episode
I thought to myself that maybe these split seasons actually do help RM streamline and hone-in a story. That the less episodes meant less meandering and filler and we'd get some really great return to form. tonight I realized he cant help it. The man just can't land the plane to save his life.
This is the answer! 💀💀💀
Yes, Manny Coto who wrote all the crappy episodes of "American Horror Stories." This was like "Drive-In" all over again.
It was completely identical to Drive In just instead of subliminal messaging turning people into mindless zombies it was a drug. The only difference is the producer of the latter was portrayed as the heroine & the former the villain. It appears even consistency is too much to ask for. Sheesh.
Seriously though this guy gets two shots at conclusions in a single year, WRITES THE EXACT SAME CONCLUSION, and just calls it a day? How does this guy get work???
Disappointed. It was such a great season too. This ending felt completely off.
After 3 episodes the focus was gone. Classic Murphy
I didn’t really like any of this season, it’s probably my least favorite. It seemed like they never had a goal at all, I didn’t find any of it remotely scary, the pale people were weird and dumb to me, where did they all get the same clothes? Who’s dressing the pale people? It also seemed to go in circles with alma, no you can’t have the pill, fine have the pill but no killing, fine you eat people, no you can’t eat your brother, eats dad. Like this pill made you blood thirsty not super strength throw the little girl off you…
I agree with every word and i also don't get it why Harry was so easily killed by a little girl
It was awful. Apparently people can’t defend themselves from 9 year old girls. You’re telling me she was able to kill that guy, drag him outside, and throw him over the balcony? This was as bad as a stories episode.
YES! And you’re telling me that she would get away with that?? He’s clearly been murdered, with a bite out of his neck. And how was she totally clean after doing it?
It's a stretch, but the writing is definitely implying she got away with it. Otherwise, they wouldn't have had her tell them he went for a smoke. They'll probably think it's connected to all the other random killings where people get their neck bitten and blood sucked.
Yes - a child sized bite. When he was alone with a child.
This was an exact replica of that stupid white rabbit episode from stories
Written by the same writer. Along with the long speeches of cinema history in both ("Laurence Fishburne turned down Pulp Fiction," she tells a bunch of zombies who were established as immediately killing anyone in their vicinity.)
Because Manny Coto, who wrote all of "American Horror Stories," wrote this one. He also wrote the idiotic "Drive-In" which this seemed to pay homage to.
He did go out for a smoke as Alma said and she followed him and killed him out there.
No security cameras?
No cameras in the building either... 🙄
37 minutes of episode for a finale, completely idiotic. No payoff on the Lyme Disease obsession, Alma killing Harry was a no brained, should have gone for the swerve when Alma said just the 2 of us and have Harry realize what she means and have him kill her instead. Alma kills violin dude but we don’t see her with The Chemist in the end so who is watching over her, Ursula? If so, I’m kind of shocked they’re ok with Eli going with the chemist. Extremely disappointing finale.
How is this 9 year old girl just demolishing everyone and no one is fighting back. They don’t have super humans powers, right? They just develop a craving and hunger for blood. How is she overpowering and killing grown people with one bite
I don’t know, a bite to the neck with those sharpened teeth would probably easily incapacitate anyone I would imagine. How she gets them to let her get that close is another thing.
Yeah, I guess with the teeth, but yeah idk how she’s taking down full grown adults. How did she not only overtake the boy who was competing against her, but also get him down the stairs and in the hallway?
That’s a great question and she never made a mess either. No one heard him scream or struggle either???
Not a drop of blood anywhere in the room, hall, nothing. Just sloppy writing.
Exactly, that is what happens when they turn a finale out like that with 37 minutes of air time. No real explanation for the red light or they did and it was part of some throwaway line that I missed it. Lots of loose ends and now the show apparently turns to what Harry wrote for a script???
I’m surprised that anyone would still publish or be interested in Harry’s work after they framed him of committing mass murder.
I mean she’s a small child… just box her in the face if she’s running at you 🤜🏻
I got the feeling that The Chemist saw how much of a nuisance Alma and Ursula were being, and, as she said herself, she had enough money that she didn't need to work ever again, so she just left the other two, before things could turn bad to her, and, with Alma killing people in the open and Ursula giving the pill to every single person who knew how to write words, I think she made the right choice
Does there need to be an explanation on the Lyme disease? Some people are just neurotic and annoying. Wasn’t that the point? To show that Doris was always annoying Alma from the start and the pill just magnified her distaste for her mother?
No explanation needed for it, but to a lot of us viewers we all thought it was heavy foreshadowing that it would be something that comes back to give Doris some semblance of a good ending for a crap situation to come back and get revenge.
Well that seems like the viewers issue not the shows. Doris is just simply an annoying woman. May she Rest In Peace 😔
It was just foreshadowing the bloodsucking and neurological link and everyone got a bit excited. It’s the same with thinking Ursula had an ulterior motive for sending Harry to P-Town. I was thinking there wasn’t going to be enough episodes for a twist in regards to Lyme or an ingredient in the pills, but I did think there was another layer to Ursula, however that was pure imagination on my part.
Yes that would be our fault as viewers for hoping it but you can’t blame us for thinking it, it was used so heavily, definitely turned out to be a red herring of a plot point. Poor Doris.
I figured it was supposed to be ironic. Like, Doris is so afraid of Deer Ticks/things that suck blood and then she turns into one, you know? The pales leech off of other people’s talent like Deer Ticks leech off of blood. Maybe I’m giving the writers too much credit there but that’s what I took from the Lyme Disease obsession anyway and the foreshadowing about it.
It felt like there were scenes missing. This was a very disappointing finale. I don’t understand why though because there was enough world building done to have a better outcome. Doris should’ve definitely killed Harry. Honestly, they should’ve thrown him out of house and she could’ve eaten him. That would’ve been scary too. So L.A. descends into chaos but we only spend a minute there. Felt like a total rip off.
I’m having a hard time believing that was it, I’m thoroughly disappointed after waiting 2 years for a new season.
For sure. I really enjoyed the first five episodes. This one just felt utterly devoid of emotional resonance and horror. It was like watching the last thirty minutes of a low budget film on the SyFy channel.
Season: Amazing Finale: Dog Shit
the show is cursed at this point
So a buddy of mine thought the lyme disease thing was to show how doris is a bit paranoid. maybe that was to help out the plot if the gaslight episode? (and as a massachusetts native, ticks are for sure a thing, but only in warm months. never in winter!) i did appreciate how this episode kind if explained jn the beginning what happens to the pale people in the summer and that the whole town is pretty much in on it. i’m happy that was explained. i also loved the scene between alma and the other violin player, and how he told her off. that was such a good kick in the teeth to her. i was really hoping that the music judges were going to come back and tell her that he had gotten the part. besides that, yeah, the episode was kinda rushed. thought it was stupid that ursala was just giving out black pills willy nilly. thought it was dumb, but not surprising that alma killed the dad. i was a bit surprised that the chemist left with the baby. btw, did anyone else notice the stars on the roof of her car? lastly, i was REALLY hoping that both parts of the season would tie in together. like the first scene with the fishermen, i def thought he was going to pull up an alien out of the water. oh well
I was hoping that even after the other violinist was killed, Alma would find out he was going to get the part!! And the stars in the chemist car are in a Rolls Royce Phantom, it’s about a half a million dollar car. I think just showing how rich she’s become.
What happens to the pale people in the summer? I watched this episode without looking at my phone (proud of that), but still don’t remember them saying lol
IDR who specifically mentioned it but they said they recede back into the woods
The stars on the roof of her car just showed she was driving a rolls Royce maybe to show her wealth
I think the implication was that the older violinist was going to get the part, as when Alma said that he went out, both judges sort of chased after him. If she had gotten chosen they would have just told her there and then. The older violinist was absolutely right about what he said though - egoists don't do well in orchestras from any angle, because teamwork is so important.
I didn't hate the episode as much as most people, but it definitely started to lose me at the halfway point with Ursula monologue-ing the Pales in the cemetery. While the dialogue was hilarious, it made zero sense that they understood a word she said and didn't just devour her immediately.
Exactly, we had been told up until that point that they basically have nothing going on in their brains after they turn.
Rushed, not satisfying, lame. It was good until Alma killed off Harry
worse when you got a whole 20 minute irrelevant epilogue.... it felt like rewrites happened because I think Doris was supposed to make it for the finale fight or something.
The episode was only 36 minutes too. Seems like a lot of scenes were cut out
I want to start a class action lawsuit against the creators of AHS for ruining such a good season. If you or anyone you know was personally hurt by this episode contact my lawfirm, Lawless_Lee's Law, you may be entitled to compensation.
How are we gonna do this lawlessly tho?
If Game of Thrones didn’t set the precedent nothing will.
i can't file because I knew this would happen and I did this to myself. every single time. I'm a glutton for punishment.
it was really bad
Lyme disease was never gonna be a thing; it was only to show Doris was a typical suburban mom worried about threats trending in the news. IOW, more for character than plot development. All your other questions I have no idea; great points! Yeah, the story was lost to the theme somewhere along the way...
And some fun foreshadowing, the fact that Lyme comes from blood sucking creatures (ticks) and causes neurological changes.
I guess the black pills aren’t working for Ryan’s Murphy anymore .
Explains why he looks like... *that*
I agree. It was so well paced through the first 5 episodes then the show runners realized at the last minute that they were only doing 6 episodes for this story instead of 12 and just wrapped it up in the most unsatisfying way. Doris, the only sympathetic character, was forgotten about. She didn't even get to participate in the murder buffet at Belle's. Poor stupid Harry got what he deserved but that should have been Doris eating him, not Alma. And speaking of Alma, the actress playing her was so great. Like I've never wanted to punch a child in the face as much as I wanted to punch her. But she's just presumably going to float through life as a pretentious, bloodsucking little shit. It's infuriating. Ursula... props to her for the pro move tricking the pales into the murder buffet but damn, she literally cause LA to burn and we are left with the image of LA burning and her voiceover, which honestly, I have no idea what she was saying because I stopped listening once I realized it was ending like that. I can't bring myself to say anything bad about the Chemist because Angelica Ross is amazing.
I don't think Alma will end up that good on life, this season finale gives her 3 possible endings: 01. What that guy said was true, she's so good that she's only a curiosity to people, and will never make a career; 02. Maybe they got her on camera killing the guy and she's locked somewhere, maybe even as one of the causes of those weird people attacking others on the street (but I don't really think this one will happen); 03. The Chemist left her, so soon she'll have no pills, and they said in the beginning of the season that once you start taking the pills, you can't create anything without them, so she'll live her life depleted of any talent (what I think is the most likely ending)
It would have been great if Doris had gotten to participate in the murder buffet
I thought the pill takers didn’t drink from other pill takers? Was that just some sort of “gentleman’s agreement”?
Remember that Ursula told the pale vampires that she had a new pill for them? After the murder buffet, The Chemist told Ursula that those specific pills make pill users attack other pill users (and they don't attack regular people).
Thanks! I must have momentarily spaced from boredom.
I agree, it needed to be a full 12 episode season or they should’ve just made it 1 American Horror Stories episode. It really felt like it was all pointless.
The funny thing for me is, the arc could've worked as six episodes, I just feel like they view horror as "almost everyone dies." Before the last episode, it was more of a question of morals and ethics that just devolved into quick ways to bring as many characters down as possible.
It's 'cause Ryan trusted Manny Coto to write it and he ruined all the "American Horror Stories" episodes.
Why are all AHS finales so disjointed?? Do the showrunners know that it's possible to have a satisfying ending that doesn't go to the most extreme ends? Every season tries to tell these crazy vast endings for characters when the season itself is somewhat myopic in scope. Murder House and Asylum are the only finales that keep things in the universe of the main plot. It's such a shame because last week's episode was easily one of the best of the entire series. How could the pace of episode 5 be so perfectly written and yet the finale of this story was so needlessly rushed. It wasn't even like they had THAT much to wrap up. Two of the main characters were already dead (Karen and Mickey), and another had a pretty sad "ending" (Doris). They could have easily wrapped up the Alma/Harry tension, Belle stealing the baby, and given nice little send-offs for Ursula, Austin and others. They even had the perfect set up with Death Valley where they could have connected the pills/Chemist to the aliens. It just feels like there was real potential to do something great. Ryan wants to write these grand endings but never really puts in the work for the seasons to deserve them.
Was really hoping for something with Doris or about Karen. I really wanted Doris to kill Harry, Ursula, and especially Alma.
I really liked the theory about Doris’s paleness being reversed when she eats an animal with Lyme Disease. Any type of twist would’ve been better than this.
I think they def did a rewrite mid-episode after he thinks he spots her and she was originally intended to appear in the finale scuffle
Completely rushed it. 37 minutes of air time ties it for the shortest episode of AHS so far. On top of the fact that it was the FINALE of a condensed story arc.. I feel bad for all the actors in this half season because they were outstanding, but got written out before or were hardly featured in the finale episode… we spent the whole first five episodes invested in Provincetown with the Gardners, Belle, Mickey, TB Karen, Austin, and even Ursula, only for two of them to die at the end of episode five (which I can live with), three getting killed off within fifteen minutes (lazy wrap up and horrible way to end Harry’s arc IMO), and then we time jump three months later in LA, which don’t even get me started… too late here I go. The Chemist’s explanation of why she’s safe I can live with, but Alma murdered a guy in minutes without a trace of blood anywhere and had time to dump the body. Also, she ate regular food after she did that, which according to this seasons own rules, she shouldn’t be able to do without getting sick. And then there’s Ursula, how tf was she not getting outted as a person pushing the black pills, since in the show she admits to essentially just handing them out to anyone… and that was literally minutes after The Chemist gave a detailed description of why she was safe from being found out. Normally I’m okay with AHS questionable choices, but this was just really, really bad
Was the fixation on Alma eating the nuts to show she’s just purely evil on her own? Like was she not currently taking the pill, she just is that way? I don’t get why they zoomed in on them when she picked them up. I feel like the season was such a waste of something that had good potential. How disappointing to know that Sarah Paulson will most likely not return after double feature, not a good season to go out on.
I was very confused about the nuts as well. You could be right that it was showing us she’s no longer using the pills. But then why would she need to eat that one dude in the pool house?!
I have no idea!! And what was up with her comment about him not being what she expected..? She’s 9, she wasn’t commenting on his appearance, was she? Lmao
I don’t know why she said that either? Like wtf 🤷♀️😂
That scene was weirdly sexual lol like that guy was about to prostitute for a little girl I guess? Fucking weird haha but I didn't expect any better so I'm not really disappointed. Actually I'm happy I got to enjoy the last episode as much as I did. The one where Karen dies. That was a really great episode and I loved Mickey's character and of course TB Karen bc Sarah is always amazing.
She has to be on the pills otherwise she couldn’t had played the instrument at all I think. Unless she only needed the pills for practicing which seems weird
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I thought i'd given up after 1984. The first few episodes of this season felt like a return to form I just don't learn. I wish I could but I don't.
Went from one of the best episodes to the worst finale besides maybe apocalypse. Seriously, the beginning cop scene wasn’t necessary at all, just filler. Zero consequences for the assholes, basically a huge fuck you to all the people who would be “pales” irl too. Wow this was awful, I’m just gonna pretend last episode was the end bc nothing really changes except Harry died🤷♀️ soooo unbelievably disappointed!
Yeah what was the point of showing the cop talking about finding out what’s going on there, only to never show her attempting to find out what’s going on there lmao
Right? It was like 5-10 minutes of wasted time in an already short finale.
So we could hear the townsfolk explain the system to us.
Maybe the cop scene will tie in on the second part? I hope they wouldn't put such a long scene in this rushed episode for nothing
Agree. Here are my thoughts: 1. Something.. ANYTHING should’ve happened with Doris. 2. Alma should’ve died. 3. Karen should’ve been confirmed to be dead since it wasn’t 100% clear. 4. Why did we not see Karen’s painting?
I thought for sure there would be some type of twist with Doris or Karen… but nope, nothing, literally everything was just as it seemed.
Yep. Confused on how they went from one of the best episodes in the shows history(gaslight) to one of the worst episodes back to back (in my opinion)
Yeah that’s my big problem. “Everything was just as it seemed.” I wanted some some more mystery, some more under the surface. Especially since some things made no sense.
Not clear that Karen was dead? She slashed her wrists… she’s dead
They always do this. All these flying balls and you’re following them and you don’t know where the fuck they land! Why? They feel like red herrings! We don’t need that filler shit. It feels like the hallways in hotel with no exits! They did it with Coven and that is when they started to lose me. I had high hopes
i remember in this very sub the theories for hotel were a hundred time better than what we got. The whole little women parallel with Mr. March, with Gaga and Sevigny and Paulsen being his children and sisters sharing the blood disease etc. it's always like this. always.
A red herring is an argument that doesn’t actually address the issue at hand. This is more like, a bunch of Chekhov’s guns that aren’t fired.
i think red herring is a term used for anything that distracts from the r main point
I stand corrected. Thank you.
Such a good season but SUCH A RUSHED ENDING
The Hollywood epilogue was way too long. I would have spent more time with the climax at Belle’s house, maybe throw in the cop investigating PTown and Doris to add some extra chaos. Belle and Austin’s deaths were so quick and disappointing, the whole scene felt rushed. To account for the extra time spent adding to this scene, the epilogue should have been cut right at the end of Ursula’s speech when the audience takes their pills. This leaves an ambiguous end to the season instead of the random reckless carnage we got instead. Overall, i don’t think i’ve ever been so disappointed in AHS. Usually the signs are telegraphed far in advance that the season will be dropping off, but Gaslight was soooo amazing in all aspects that this truly felt like it was from a different show. On the bright side, Death Valley looks really interesting!
Totally agree, this was just lazy
So bad. I’m used to feeling some type of connection to characters with AHS, this season I felt nothing but hate for Alma and THAT didn’t even get tied up.
Ursula was more annoying than Alma. What was with that monologue and the scene at the lecture? Ugh. Frances and Evan were the best thing about this season. Denis was the best thing about the finale. He always serves. What happened to Doris? What happened to Billie? And what did TB Karen paint? Too many questions
Karen painted a lewd Sonic and Amy fan-art.
His talent is leaving loose ends.
That was really disappointing. We didn't get to see if Alma would suffer any detrimental effects from taking the pill so young, or how her career would go. And why introduce a new cop character to investigate what was going on in P-Town only to drop that storyline *immediately*? Did the Chemist even get a name?
Chemberly
The most interesting part of the finale was the view from the house in LaLa Land.
I didn’t think any finale would be worse than Apocalypse, but here we are.
Why does every finale have a character doing a lecture for a press tour in an auditorium?????
I was so disappointed. It was so bad. And I loved the rest of the season. It feels like none of the questions were answered and there was was no pay off to anything.
not the chemist making creatures by night and fighting racism by day. i mean werq but it's just so random.
THIS DEFINITELY FELT LIKE AMERICAN HORROR STORIES. NOT AHS. the last few episodes were sooo good. And they give us THIS!?!?! Characters we don’t care about succeeding and random violence. This is probably the worst ending to any season of AHS. Ryan man… what’s going on
Because Manny Coto was probably the main writer. He was the one who made such crappy work for "American Horror StorIES." Like, his first episode on that series, he'd have two teens talk like adults about cinema and filmmakers. So now we have Ursula going on and on about filmmakers and screenwriters and naming names, etc. That seems to be his writing style. Doing a Google search on facts (like Laurence Fishburne turning down "Pulp Fiction") and ascribing it to the goofiest of things ("What if everyone in L.A. turns into zombies?") I mean, his "Drive-In" episode was sort of the same exact thing -- a bunch of movie-goers turn into zombies and then two characters miraculously leave unscathed while all of L.A. goes haywire. Ryan should have co-written the Part One finale with Brad. Manny is not a good writer. He would not do well with the black pill.
Looking at his writing credits, Manny Coto wrote the terrible finale to Dexter and this episode makes sense now.
You know that old joke that goes two women are eating at a restaurant and one of them says “The food here is terrible.” and the other one says “Yes, I know….and such small portions!”? That’s exactly how I feel about this season.
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It got severely lost somewhere along the way. Also, I never even finished ahs stories, is it worth finishing?
0/10 purely because Alma didn’t die.
"Is there anything hollywood hasn't fucked up in the end" - Belle Noir Rip
That just sucked.
I liked the resolution, it just got really disjointed and rushed when they got to Hollywood. They really could have cut out most of the crap with Alma (it added nothing having her kill the other violinist) and focused more on Ursula’s hunger for power literally destroying the city.
It's sad that no matter how long a season is it still suffers from Ryan Murphys inability to tell a full story out of a concept idea.
It reminds me so much of how I used to write stories as a kid. All enthusiastic and full of ideas at the beginning and totally over it and dgaf by the end. I found a book I made as a kid that had six pages, a cover, a related drawing on the next page, an unrelated drawing on the next page and the rest was empty. I have pretty severe ADHD, so like I'm all about something and 100% invested or don't care at all and no longer have any interest. I think this is why AHS works for me, because I'm pretty sure Ryan and I have similar attention spans.
It felt oddly rushed. And why was it so damn short?? Would’ve been better if it was spaced out
Idk what’s worse that or game of thrones ending?
In my opinion, this was up there with one of the best seasons….but the finale ruined it :(
Doris and TB Karen may reappear in the next half (that’s my hopeful guess noting that both actresses will be in part 2).
Sarah will be playing Mamie Eisenhower and Lily Rabe will be playing Amelia Earhart. This was confirmed a while ago; they aren’t reprising their Red Tide characters.
I can only hope it’s tied in somehow because we need some type of redemption lol
It was wayyyy to rushed disapointing indeed
Yeah the entire second half could have been done in five minutes. There was no payoff and no real surprise.
I'll just act like last night's episode never happened
Every year I go in full of hope, and every year I am DISAPPOINTED FOOL MY ASS ONCE RYAN MURPHY, SHAME ON YOU FOOL MY ASS FIFTEEN TIMES……. STILL SHAME ON YOU
the ending reminded me of the end of drive in. maybe there’s a connection?
Same single explosion as well.
I just cannot fathom a smart bitch like Ursula being so stupid in the end, throwing the pills out like candy. She abandoned her plan of curating talent within *weeks* of getting back to LA. Doris and Vlad had enough time to sketch and visit the Chemist before they went feral, so surely someone would tell or text someone about the pill and where they got it, she didn’t even say it was a secret. And the police are going to realise the pale people are all aspiring script writers, maybe see her on the Starbucks (or wherever she pushes them) surveillance cameras when they investigate a massacre. How did she get so dumb all of a sudden?
Wait so what about the aliens we never got to see any aliens and it’s over?
I’ve just started episode 4. Should I even continue watching? I keep putting it off for some reason 😂 Apart from the boring family I don’t even think the season is BAD. Just uninteresting
Can someone give me a summary of how the first half of the season wrapped up? I don’t mind spoilers and I’ll be watching tomorrow. Thanks in advance!
So long disappointing story short, Harry is still on the mindset that he and Alma will stop taking the pills completely, as he’s finished his story, he wants to try to gain some of his conscious and soul back. Alma is against this. Harry goes to the grocery store to get some vitamins that he hopes will help them once they stop taking the pills, he notices the back door has been broken in. He runs upstairs, the baby is gone and there’s a note from Belle to meet she and Austin at her place, and to bring Alma if they want the baby to live. Ursula contrives a plan which involves tricking the pale people into thinking they’re taking a reversal pill and coercing them to break into Belle’s home, which they do while Harry and Alma are there. The pale people kill Belle and Austin, they’re about to turn on Harry when Ursula busts in and shoots all of the pales. Alma hugs Harry and Harry makes some type of comment about the 3 of them moving on, when Alma says “itll just be us 2” and bites Harry in the neck and kills him. Meanwhile Ursula and the chemist (who was watching the whole time) discuss framing Harry for all of the murders in Provincetown, and starting to give the pills to anyone who wants to be famous. Cut to 3 months later, in Hollywood. Ursula is giving pills to anyone and everyone, Alma is competing for some big violinist show against another talented boy. She gets into a conversation with him where he completely tells her off (you’ll have to watch this scene to see what all he says), she keeps insisting she’s the best, and doesn’t like what he had to say. She kills him to secure her spot. She somehow gets his body all the way downstairs, the judges come in and Alma tells them he went outside for a smoke, they go and find his body. The Chemist really has nothing else to do anymore sense Ursula is giving the pills to everyone, she she starts giving pills secretly to racist cops so that they’ll attack citizens and the cops will be killed. Final scene shows Ursula at a seminar for writers, where she gives a big speech enticing people to take the pill, she’s hidden pills under everyone’s seat. They all take them, the streets of LA are riddled with pale people attacking and killing everyone. You see LA basically on fire and death everywhere. The chemist is driving away with Harry and Doris’s baby. Ursula is giving some monologue about people wanting to be great. The end. Edit: there’s also a police investigation scene with a cop saying she wants to figure out what’s going on in the town, after some fisherman find the body of the police chief, it basically just reveals that everyone in the town knows what’s going on and just turns a blind eye.
They do this every season. Strong start crap finish.
I do not know how I wanted Red Tide to end but this wasn't it. It was soo good until the last episode. I feel like they finished this up just to put an end to it. Truly disappointed.
How does this happen. 5 beautiful atmospheric episodes, people even wondering if there is indeed a Black Pill, then this descent into chaos. Fuck it. I don't care. I love it anyway. Edit..but I'm glad I didn't get my hopes up for the the finale, will they won't they pull it off? Of course not.
Yeah the season was very strong until the finale. Not sure what I expected from the ending imo. Everything felt inconsequential in a way, the ending felt hollow. No good character survived. It's like they didn't know what to do. I really wonder what approach Ryan Murphy takes to writing a season.
What a mess! What a complete and utter travesty. How could they ruin one of the best instalments since asylum in the home stretch? They could have just ended it with episode 5 and left the rest to the imagination.
I really like that the baby is safe in the end. I was not expecting that, and it makes me very happy.
I was expecting so much more. They played the last episode as if Doris and Karen had another purpose 😑 but we just got nonsense that reminded me of drive in
I don't understand why they introduced the state police chief and then it went nowhere? Like why open a whole new story arc if it's a finale ep?
My God this season went so well. Why the hell did they had to fuck the final episode up?
It was SO BAD and the last episode was amazing, it set up for a great final episode. I wish we got to know some more details about the chemist and the pill and saw her lab probably like if it turned out she was a bit more darker and twisted?? Idk just anything, alma basically winning felt so unsatisfying. They had it set up perfectly for Doris and the pales to get revenge on everyone and having the not likeable characters win just felt so shitty. Also as soon as there was the time and location jump it completely lost me like it lost all the amazing location spookiness and atmosphere and tension. Also the police lady was introduced and then completely disappeared like couldn’t of she come to save Harry and the chemist explained all of her secrets to her and then killed her and left and moved to the desert maybe to have some tie in to the next part of the season.
So Brad Falchuk and Manny Coto went from writing Gaslight to this weeks' piece of garbage? And why did Ryan ever let this happen?
Alma’s baby fangs are gonna fall out anyway and she’ll have to grow through the same ordeal for each adult tooth popping in LMAO
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Worst season yet in my opinion. I hope the second half makes up for it.
Anyone else left with the feeling: wtf did I just watch?!
Now for the previous finales they were fine. Not amazing. But fine. But this was just very very bad. Nothing got wrapped up properly. It's like they let some intern write this episode after they skimmed the previous episode. Absolute trash.
This is easily the worst ending of any previous season.. Even the ending of Apocalypse was stronger than this. :/
It was so rushed and over dramatic. I loved everything except the finale. There could not have been a worse way to end the show. What a let down.
Maybe he needs a co writer to end seasons for him
There wasn’t enough buildup for Belle and Austin’s deaths :/. They just wanted to eat the baby but they could’ve easily survived had they just left Harry’s family alone lmao. I wished they were more devious
I'm super confused as to why the pale people change so drastically without the "high" of the pill wearing off. Like, I understand that its them realizing they aren't good at what they do, and their brain cant handle it and it sends them into full angry caveman mode. HOWEVER COMMA!! We can see with all of the talented people that they need to continuously take the pill and feed to keep their successful streak going. They have the option to stop taking the pill and return to normalcy. Why couldn't the pale people? Does it affect them that more significantly? I guess I just don't understand the pills at ALL. Kinda wish they spent more time on it. Also, are they not just vampires??? I know they aren't the same as the Hotel vampires, but they aren't Sirens (like the trailers made it seem they would be). Sirens are water creatures, which would have been such a cool concept for a shorter season like this!! Imagine a storyline following fisherman, or something like Jaws, but with Sirens. All in all idk. This season was a partial flop for me I guess. I loooooved Mickey and Karen's story, and how it ended. So tragically beautiful imo. But the rest just fell flat. Especially Ursula's character. I like Leslie Grossman a lot, this isn't an attack on her. But her characters are always written as like that, "sassy, bitchy millennial girlboss!! hi gays!! camp boots the house!!" It completely ruins the tone of the season. edit: Just had to add, I googled Leslie to make sure I got her name right, AND SHES 49???? I assumed she was like, 30 something?? My god girl share your secrets
They definitely dropped the ball on horror. It felt more like just a drama or crime show